Joe Anderson casts doubt on LCC funding for new stadium

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Liverpool Mayor, Joe Anderson, has admitted that Everton are still exploring funding avenues for their proposed new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

The club have been in talks with the Mayor and Liverpool City Council over a loan vehicle that would see LCC borrow £280m from the public sector at a lower rate than the club is likely to find elsewhere and then be paid back by Everton over a period of 25 years.

Anderson is highly keen on the scheme because the city stands to make £7m a year from the securitised arrangement but partisan criticism and political opposition to the deal mean there are no guarantees it would be ratified by the Council.

Speaking to the All Together Now podcast, Anderson said:

"We have had 18 months of negotiations with Everton, with Queens Counsel, financial institutions and city officers, and we have come to a period where we have got a deal that we think we can offer to them and if they like it then they will take the deal and move on.

"We are not there yet because Everton want to make sure that they get the best deal; they are talking to other people. So, if they say no Liverpool City Council, we might get a better deal from somewhere else, then we will.

"But from our point of view — and what I have promised — I will do is to work with Everton Football Club to try and make this project happen."

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"When you take the politics out of it, it is the right thing to do. If they want to use us - they may well turn around and say no, but if they want to use us, I think absolutely yes we should.

"If we can be helpful, then we will be but we can always not be used and the club can move forward without us, developing Bramley Moore, then that is good too because, when you look at this site, we are talking about new businesses, restaurants, hotels, apartments, all being built on the site and that will bring in millions to the city — so it is a win-win for us.

"I would be hugely disappointed [if it doesn't come off]. The frustrating thing for me is when you hear people who are playing politics, whether that be the Liberal Democrats of the extreme left."

"They don't understand that from my point of view, we have lost 58% of our funding and I need every penny. If it forces Everton to go elsewhere, then I will be hugely disappointed, because we will have lost £7 million [a year]."

Quotes sourced from Liverpool Echo

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Steve Hogan
1 Posted 07/06/2018 at 19:17:23
It's gone terribly quiet on the new stadium development. The club should really be giving some sought of update no matter what.

If there is a problem, with either funding or planning or whatever, simply keep us in the loop.

No news at all simply makes people suspicious and ever so slightly cynical that we have hit a snag.

Kieran Kinsella
2 Posted 07/06/2018 at 19:26:06
Steve Hogan,

Mayor in The Echo says LCC may not fund it. Club looking at other options. Outside of Usmanov buying it, I cannot imagine a lower-priced financing deal.

Tony Marsh
3 Posted 07/06/2018 at 19:39:12
Ah the Mythical new place. What ever did happen to that crazy idea about the Bramley-Moore Dock stadium? There was a time, 18 months ago, the club and Moshiri couldn't shut up about this fantastic new stadium the fans deserved. In tonight's Echo, mayor Joe Anderson is saying it's not a done deal that Everton FC will accept the loan offered by the LCC. The club may seek an alternative loan arrangement.

Hmm... by not accepting the loan means more heel-dragging while new revenue streams are sought. It's all turning very Kings Dockish for my liking... but hey — what do I know? There is no way our club would pull another fast one on us fans, is there??

Who cares how many seasons tickets are sold, Goodison Park is an embarrassing shithole that should've been condemned years ago. Give us some proper stadium news or just tell us it's fallen through.

There is no way on this Earth, after all this time, there can be nothing to report on Bramley-Moore Dock... It is impossible and just doesn't make any sense. Mayor Joe is telling us something the club aren't, I fear. I think even Micheal K must be starting to get a little twitchy now???

Dennis Stevens
4 Posted 07/06/2018 at 20:11:41
Perhaps the penny will drop that redevelopment is much cheaper & can be done incrementally.
John Malone
5 Posted 07/06/2018 at 20:53:14
And Dan Meis is saying we won't fill a 60,000 seater stadium but West Ham do — talk about small-club mentality!!
Mick Quirke
6 Posted 07/06/2018 at 21:48:09
Did Tony Marsh really call Goodison an ‘embarrassing shithole?

Of course, it has a lot wrong with it, obstructed views and too low down views all over the ground. But if you don't understand the magic of the Old Lady, there is something seriously wrong with you.

Brent Stephens
7 Posted 08/06/2018 at 09:24:06
Tony M. Do you really expect Everton to release all the good news at once? Sam gone. Walsh gone. Brands in. Silva in. New CEO. etc.

You keep some of the good news back for quieter weeks. When you would probably come on anyway and rubbish it.

Ray Roche
8 Posted 08/06/2018 at 09:31:49
Tony (#3), — 'but hey what do I know?''

Fuck all?

Pete Clarke
9 Posted 08/06/2018 at 11:48:51
Little old Everton that few people outside of us Blues really care about.

Put a couple of trophies in the cabinet and that may bring in the investors.

Nicholas Ryan
10 Posted 08/06/2018 at 11:48:56
Tony [#3], I've just put "embarrassing shithole" through Google Translate; and it came out as: 'charming and quaint'.
Lawrence Green
11 Posted 08/06/2018 at 12:10:50

I've heard some Evertonians describe our Chairman as 'charming and quaint'.

Jim Wilson
12 Posted 08/06/2018 at 12:15:11
Tony Marsh – I just wish the club would see sense and develop Goodison Park. We have a site that most clubs would love to develop (especially Liverpool because Goodison is far better than Anfield) but, because of false promises and circling vultures with pound signs in their eyes, we are fixated on moving and it is far too dangerous with the board we have.

A long-term Goodison development plan is what is needed. You only have to look at Croke Park to see what can be done. The priority now is a sensible board that knows what it's doing.

Shithole – I know you didn't really mean that – you were making a point. Goodison could be turned into the most unique and brilliant stadium anywhere, no problem. We need to take note of what Wenger said about Arsenal moving from Highbury. Liverpool and Man Utd won't move and that says it all.

Brian Williams
13 Posted 08/06/2018 at 12:37:48
One man's embarrassing shithole is another man's familiar trusty "Old Lady". (That's NOT a Rooney joke by the way).

It depends if you want to dwell in the past, comfortable with what you've been getting for as long as you can remember, and tread water and know exactly what to expect (like some of those I had many an argument with over keeping Allardyce) or move with the times, become a professionally run, economically sound, hopefully successful, football club.

Change is necessary, though scary for some.

Roll on Bramley-Moore Dock!

Ray Roche
14 Posted 08/06/2018 at 12:49:16
Lawrence, and I’ve heard him described as an embarrassing shithouse.
John Boswell
15 Posted 08/06/2018 at 12:51:02
Pete Clark, agreed, win a trophy and create momentum in project Everton.
Steve Brown
16 Posted 08/06/2018 at 13:11:02
Steve (#1), do you realise what you have just done? You've given Tony Marsh an excuse to rant on about the proposed new stadium. He is like a crocodile lurking in a watering hole waiting to pounce on morsels like this.
Kieran Kinsella
17 Posted 08/06/2018 at 18:15:07
There is no new stadium. All lies.

Red Flag one: Mayor says LCC may fund whole amount as Everton cannot seem to raise £30 million for their upfront share

Red Flag two: Marcel says we need to sell to buy.

Red Flag three: Anderson says Everton may not accept LCC loan and are looking at other options.

Red Flag four: Anderson says he knows Everton are very open to new investment.

There are no other options. A municipality get preferential rates on loans versus businesses because their credit rating is higher. Why? Because if their income is inadequate they can boost it by raising taxes. A company cannot just raise sales in the same way. Therefore, aside from a national government there is no entity that would have a higher credit rating, and lower borrowing cost than a municipal government.

Obviously, Moshiri has decided he has had enough of this little venture and he is battening down the hatches. He doesn't want to encumber the club with a new debt (LCC loan) while trying to market it the club to some other mug.

Supposedly Moshiri was to acquire shares from Woods, Kenwright etc over time. How would "new investment" help us if he plans to have the major stakeholding? Does he think some minority shareholder will ride into town and build a stadium for us in exchange for a 15% holding? That is ludicrous. None of this make sense unless Moshiri is cashing in on us.

It is over folks. It is all over.

Ash Moore
18 Posted 08/06/2018 at 18:28:03

I don't buy it. As he – Moshiri – has just pissed away £100 million on players now worth nothing, why wouldn't he double down on an actual tangible investment at a third of the cost?

Why is Usmanov's sponsorship the length it is?

Why wouldn't Moshiri wait for the rising tide of the next tv deal to cash out? You're saying this on the day Amazon have injected another revenue stream into the Premier League.

I think you're over-reacting... unless Moshiri is in deep shit, a la Alan Stanford...

If he bought us to quickly flip us... would he have paid off Allardyce, Walsh et al? I don't buy it.

Lev Vellene
19 Posted 08/06/2018 at 18:28:30

You make me feel happy! I thought I was the sorriest, most miserable and depressed person in the whole world, and totally indifferent to anything remotely positive having a chance to happen! Hats off to you!!! :)

I posit that if dung hits the rotary with Moshiri's personal pride being at the stake, there will be alternatives like Usmanov waiting in the wings...

Rob B Williams
20 Posted 08/06/2018 at 18:33:50
I wonder whether our resident uni solicitor St. Fern-ando accepts the brief for the defence?? of Goodison or the prosecution of New Stadium or will he just appear in the Dock!!
Ash Moore
21 Posted 08/06/2018 at 18:38:30
No, I think when he converts his debt to equity is when Moshiri is leaving. It's the logical business thing to do.

Football clubs are a great tax shelter if used effectively. The only way I see Moshiri wanting out is if he is stony – "do not pass go", "bones of his arse" – broke.

Lev Vellene
22 Posted 08/06/2018 at 19:24:27

If Moshiri was an unknown outsider with too much spare money, then I'd be willing to entertain that idea. But remember that Usmanov and Moshiri tried for years to gain some say with Arsenal, to no avail.

Moshiri sold his Arsenal shares to Usmanov and bought into Everton, while Usmanov refused to give up his hopes of having a say at Arsenal.

English football clubs competing in the Premier League seem to be an outlet for spending excess money, with prestige being more important for non-American owners, than for the actual, traditional "investors" we might expect to get in from across the pond...

Joe McMahon
23 Posted 08/06/2018 at 20:09:00
To be Fair to Tony Marsh, he's correct. For a club that's enjoyed the Premier League riches since it's inception (26 years), Goodison Park is an antiquated dump.

Goodison looked and felt great when I went as a kid in the 70s, but that was 40 years ago... Now, in 2018, it's shabby and wooden, with pillars and facilities stuck in the 60s. Z-Cars being played sums it all up. It's got Boys Pen Bill written all over it.

I can't wait for a new "modern" stadium. We may be waiting for a while longer though.

Don Alexander
24 Posted 08/06/2018 at 20:35:21
Tony Marsh may be forthright but he's bob-on for me regarding the state of Goodison Park as a place to physically enjoy watching a match. Even the best seats are small with severely restricted leg-room, the loos are shabby, and as for the "catering", perleease!
Kieran Kinsella
25 Posted 08/06/2018 at 21:46:59
To Tony's point. I remember sitting at the back of the lower Gwladys Street stand for Everton 7-1 Southampton when Royle was boss. I missed five of the goals. Every time we got past halfway, row by row, people stood so, when the ball was in the opposition half, I could see either the back of people's heads or the overhang from the second tier.
Keith Harrison
26 Posted 08/06/2018 at 22:17:52
Kieran, don't worry about it. I was in the Danka 'box' in the Park End for that game, and despite being pissed, saw every goal. Have a video of the game somewhere, copied off the Everton master tape.

I'll donate it to either you or Tony, whichever posts in a positive manner first.

Neil Copeland
27 Posted 08/06/2018 at 23:48:36
I remember Everton beating Southampton 8-0 in 1971. I was in the Paddock, stood on a stool (I kid you not) with my dad. How I never managed to fall off the stool, God only knows. Sorry, I don't have a video (Royle 4, Johnson 3 and Ball for those wondering) of the game or the stool!
Michael Kenrick
28 Posted 09/06/2018 at 06:38:12
Are you sure you're reading the same story, Tony?

I can't see anything about the new Bramley Moore Dock stadium (on the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey) being called off... far from it. Everton appear to be working on the finance while others are probably working on the engineering design, and everything needed to support the planning application.

Joe is pissed off because the politics may see his pet funding scheme kicked to the kerb. That's a pity — especially for the City. But not an opportunity for you to start crowing again.

Steve Pugh
29 Posted 09/06/2018 at 07:14:40
Well said Michael.
Colin Glassar
30 Posted 09/06/2018 at 07:25:16
I never thought it would happen anyway. This is Everton FC after all and we do tend to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Tom Hughes
31 Posted 09/06/2018 at 08:58:40
Goodison Park is not a shithole at all. Antiquated with too many poor views yes, but shithole . no!

In fact even now, it has far too many redeeming features and good qualities to be able to comfortably avoid this descriptor and furthermore all of the negative issues and poor views are eminently resolvable via a well-planned programme of redevelopment.

Indeed, if the powers-that-be had accepted this over 25 yrs ago when the ramifications of the Taylor report were first taking effect (or at any point since), then we would already be enjoying the benefits of a far bigger and more modern stadium, at a fraction of the (apparent) costs of going elsewhere.

Karl Parsons
32 Posted 09/06/2018 at 10:22:11
Exactly Michael.

Conjecture Colin.

Why should the Club pay lip service and spoon feed us like children. Yes, I know the Club has a history of letting us down but until we hear different nothing has changed (apart from the regime that is now running the Club).

Now is not the time to panic with unsubstantiated rhetoric.

Mike Galley
33 Posted 09/06/2018 at 10:30:14
I've no brain for business or finance, but this story (to me) seems to be Joe Anderson saying that there's a deal on offer from the council but the club are looking round to see if they can do better.
I've no idea if Bramley moore will go ahead, but this does seem to be a sensible thing for the club to do.
Rob Halligan
34 Posted 09/06/2018 at 10:58:21
Michael Kenrick. Best post on here so far.
Brent Stephens
35 Posted 09/06/2018 at 11:26:44
Anderson is still as positive about the merits of the deal. I think his reference to Everton possibly sourcing the funding from elsewhere is a way of reminding the nay-sayers that LCC stand to lose £7m a year if Everton do go elsewhere for funding.
Andrew Ellams
36 Posted 09/06/2018 at 11:27:10
Between this and the need to sell players that nobody with money to spend really wants before we can move forward, I'm starting to get very nervous. What state are the finances actually In?
Jim Wilson
37 Posted 09/06/2018 at 11:29:03
I couldn't agree more, Tom, we could have a great stadium at a much cheaper cost, keeping some of the unique features of Goodison.

There is plenty of room to do it if only our short-sighted board could see it.

Ian Lang
38 Posted 09/06/2018 at 11:31:30
Good post Michael.

This is a highly complicated site to work with and with so many complicated work streams each will have dependencies and interdependcies that impact other streams that need careful management ongoing within the programme in order to keep the plan on track to achieve the major milestones set this year.

Bottom line ALL projects/programmes have risks, issues, challenges throughout. It’s right to look at alternative funding options in any case but we need to ensure the best and most sensible deal for Everton football club. We don’t know what the council has offered, it might be terrible deal. If we do get a better funding deal which with Moshiri is possible as to who he is the contacts and reputation he has no doubt there will be offers which could be used as a bargaining chip with the council. Council deal is probably the least risk but let’s see what happens, no doubt in the next couple of months, we’ll know what’s happening with funding and designs should start to be released.

I honestly believe (hope) Usmanov will join Moshiri and provide an interest free loan for the stadium build like Moshiri did with the £100m interest loan to pay EFC debts etc when he came on board.

He sell his £700m shares in Arsenal, uses a % if that to funds Everton’s stadium and will instantly start to see a direct return through namely my rights, revenue etc we could probably pay the loan off a lot quicker with that route rather than 25 or so years with the council forking out an additional £142m or whatever the council will make from us over that period time.

Who knows I’m positive about this stadium.

Dennis Stevens
39 Posted 09/06/2018 at 11:40:04
Hear! Hear! Tom. Redevelopment should have happened decades ago.
James Flynn
40 Posted 09/06/2018 at 12:30:42
More positive news.

All I see in the story is that Joe is worrying Moshiri is considering, and might find, other offers better for him and the Club. Good stuff.

As far as "Its all gone quiet", how is that a surprise? Who expects Moshiri to announce what entities he's considering offers from? Hell, he's even knocked off his silly chit-chat with Jim White. All to the good, for me.

What we have is the Mayor hoping to do business with Everton. Dan Meis' outfit is still getting paid for stadium design. Anderson himself stating Moshiri is considering other offers. And most importantly, Moshiri HAS signed the long-term lease on Bramley-Moore.

Short of an announcement like Chelsea's recently, everything points towards the new stadium happening. Mosh won't supply us with details?

Well, boo hoo hoo. So what?

Len Hawkins
41 Posted 09/06/2018 at 13:27:28
Tony Marsh, does anything at all give you a feeling of satisfaction or joy, perhaps seeing an OAP falling off a bus would cheer you up or perhaps a bus full of orphans going to the seaside sitting in a lay-by with four flat tyres would have you in bulk. I can't remember one positive post from you.
Kieran Kinsella
42 Posted 09/06/2018 at 13:44:31

I don’t want a video as my lasting memory of that game is the return of Ferguson off the bench. Thereafter, Royle ditched the exciting line-up with Speed, Andrei and Barmby and returned to long ball stuff to accommodate Dunc.

Ian Burns
43 Posted 09/06/2018 at 13:49:12
Len - 17 - come on Len, give Tony Marsh a break, being utterly negative is his hobby, winding up TW posters is the name of his game. He has to smile twice a day to brush his teeth, so he can't be all that bad, miserable toad.
Rob Halligan
44 Posted 09/06/2018 at 14:12:33
I sometimes wonder if a mate of mine is using a pseudonym, i.e Tony Marsh.

This mate of mine is so negative towards everything Everton, even though he goes to every game, home and away.

He has been against the new stadium since day one. Fuck, he even thought we should have kept Allardyce and give him a 3-year contract!

Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 09/06/2018 at 14:26:21
It is false to say Tony Marsh has never been positive. I remember about 11 years ago he was absolutely positive that signing David Nugent from PNE for 10 million would solve all our problems.

Also I think it was about 5 years ago, in a match day forum, he remarked about someone (maybe Pienaar) doing a good pass.

Dermot Byrne
47 Posted 09/06/2018 at 14:36:21
Fake news, Kieran!
Steve Ferns
48 Posted 09/06/2018 at 14:47:53
The way I read it was the RS and people without an interest in football, or maybe even a few blues, were putting political pressure on LCC over their assistance to us with this deal. They don't agree that it is "win-win".

So if there is uncertainty over the deal, what would any good businessman do? Explore other avenues, that's what. This is what I think Everton are doing. Big Joe Anderson is desperate for the club and council to do the deal as it would be his legacy. He helps the club and the council get a £7m windfall each year for however long. So, it appears to me that Joe is doing what he can to keep that alive.

What I do not accept is that the stadium deal is in collapse. The club are busying behind the scenes. It appears the costs are rising dramatically, but this has now been factored in by the club.

The appointment of Keith Harris to oversee the stadium development surely shows just how serious we are. His role is all about that project and nothing else. Why create the role if we're just going to wave the white flag? I think the costs will go higher and higher, there will be more and more unforeseen difficulties (linked to draining the dock and building on it), but that it will get done. Moshiri has everything riding on this. His whole tenure at Everton is about building the stadium. He knows that if he builds it and the club remains at the current level of 7th-10th, he will sell for a profit (providing TV revenue maintains or betters current levels).

If the white flag is raised on the stadium, then I think we're screwed. Moshiri is likely to pull out faster than an errant husband caught in the act by his wife, and leave us in a familiar Randy Lerner situation as he tries to claw as much money back as he can and the financial walls close in on us.

For me, the very future of the club relies on the stadium deal getting done and we must give him our full backing on this.

Dermot Byrne
49 Posted 09/06/2018 at 14:57:29
But at least the Echo is trying to help our Tony M!


Michael Kenrick
50 Posted 09/06/2018 at 15:00:18
I've listened to the podcast now — a good hour-long interview... no, more like a good chat over a couple drinks with Joe Anderson, a very solid Blue.

The story in The Echo obviously tries to make something of what is almost a throwaway comment from Joe, who is his usual calm intelligent self, trying to share what he can while letting on that he has the contacts and knows the people at play here.

His words about Denise Barrett-Baxendale are encouraging and I would take that over all the speculation from others who see her only from afar and have no idea what she can do for the club.

Looks like the format of the podcast works quite well, with Greg and Tony letting Joe do 98% of the talking.

All Together Now – iTunes, Google Play, etc. A new Blues podcast for a new era. There's three up so far in just the last 10 days. The others focus understandably on Marcel Brands and Marco Silva.

Steve Ferns
51 Posted 09/06/2018 at 15:17:44
Thanks Michael. Greg was with The Echo and left to work for BBC online. Tony Scott was or is at The Echo. They were the mainstay of The Echo "Royal Blue" Podcast along with Phil Kirkbride (another Echo Everton reporter). Greg had been on The Echo podcast a couple of times since, as a guest. Which makes me wonder why they suddenly have this new podcast?

I thought the Greg O'Keefe chaired Echo podcast was pretty good. It had a good mix of personalities and reflected different views from Blues of different ages. Dave Prentice came into the podcast as the host after Greg left for the BBC. I found the quality really dropped as Dave was too eager to give his opinion and not to host.

Also, his opinion, which I previously respected seemed to be very insular, and he displays a complete lack of knowledge of European football and a lot of what he says about footballers from outside of Merseyside is just completely wrong. Surely, a man of his position (Echo Head of Sports) would actually watch European football or do some basic research before offering up his expert opinion.

I shall give the new Greg O'Keefe podcast a listen. Thanks for the link Michael.

Mike Gaynes
52 Posted 09/06/2018 at 15:25:00
"Goodison Park is an embarrassing shithole that should've been condemned years ago."

Now there's a comment I never expected to read here.

So can somebody explain Anderson's reference to the Liberal Democrats? Are they the same folks in England that they are in the US? And how are they "playing politics" with the project?


Steve Ferns
53 Posted 09/06/2018 at 15:42:26
Mike, in British politics, we have the Labour Party on the left and the Conservatives on the right. The Liberal Democrats are harder to pigeon-hole as they are liberals and you can be a right of centre liberal.

In Liverpool, we are very much a socialist city. It is said that you could pin a red (labour) rose on a monkey and we'd elect it. There was a furor at the election before last when Luciana Berger stood as MP for Liverpool Wavertree. She was London-born and viewed as Labour taking Liverpool for granted by putting a someone they wanted to be elected into a very safe seat. Of course, the Liberal Democrats saw it as a chance to draw votes away from Labour, knowing the electorate wasn't happy but would never vote Conservative. When push came to shove, the electorate voted for Labour as usual in one of the safest seats in the country. Like voting for the President, we tend to vote for the Prime Minister we want, or the party we want, rather than the representative (MP) we want.

When it comes to council-level, Liverpool has a very strained relationship with Labour. Read all about the fascinating Derek Hatton and his “militant” labour council that took on Maggie Thatcher. It's hard to properly summarise that.

We've seen the Lib Dems take control of the council from Labour in recent years. Starting with throwing out Labour in 1998, yes, during Tony Blair's (Labour) honeymoon period. Since then, Labour have slowly increased their position to take control of a council they used to take for granted, but that only happened in 2010. Since 2014, Joe Anderson's lot have had an overwhelming majority, 80 plus councillors vs a maximum of 7 Lib Dems.

The Lib Dems see the stadium as a way to win votes. Stir up passions in kopites and turn them away from Labour based on football. Labour lost 4 seats in the council election this spring.

I hope that helps.

Brent Stephens
54 Posted 09/06/2018 at 15:46:02
Mike, the Lib Dems stand in the centre of the political spectrum in English politics. Nationally they have few MPs, partly as a result of our first-past-the-post electoral system.

In terms of local politics, the Lib Dems hold only a few council seats in Liverpool and have come out questioning the possible council role in financing BMD. Here's something from the Lib Dems:


John G Davies
55 Posted 09/06/2018 at 15:47:48
Labour to the left. Tories to the right, Liberals somewhere in the middle and the honourable (haha) Anthony Blair in bed with most of them.
Mike Gaynes
56 Posted 09/06/2018 at 16:06:40
Cheers, Steve and Brent. Wow, that's quite a tangled web. My brain just flashed the "Insufficient Storage Available" error notification.
Anthony Murphy
57 Posted 09/06/2018 at 16:07:51
I'm glad we are looking at another funding possibility as the council loan is a stick the ignorant, ill-informed arses of this city would use to beat us with for years.

Additionally, the chances of this happening (for me) largely depend on Joe being in office. If he isn't before the deal is sealed, it'll be no surprise to me if it's pulled.

Jay Wood

58 Posted 09/06/2018 at 17:45:49
Mike Gaynes, instead of wading through lots of articles on the subject of the city of Liverpool politics, you could be richly entertained by searching out a (Channel 4, I think it was...) TV series from the 1990s called G.B.H.

I'm pretty sure you could find it on YouTube.

It is loosely based on Derek Hatton and his 'militant' labour council that took on Maggie Thatcher's ruling Tory party that Steve Ferns references.

The excellent Robert Lindsey plays the Hatton role and Michael Palin an innocent primary school headmaster who somehow gets caught up in the political crossfire.

The title GBH is a play on words. GB is globally recognised as 'Great Britain', but GBH in the English courts refers to 'Grevious Bodily Harm' - a charge made against somehow who physically assaults another.

In the context of the series, it reflects how dirty and ugly politics in GB were in the 1990s.

And if that whets your appetite, look up 'Boys From The Black Stuff' by the same writer, a son of the city, Alan Bleasdale.

Again, primarily reflecting the difficulties the city of Liverpool passed through thanks to Tory policies of the time. Stuff to pull at the heartstrings, make you angry and laugh out loud.

Both HUGELY recommended viewing.

Jack Convery
59 Posted 09/06/2018 at 19:04:05
The Liberal Democrats put Cameron in No 10 in 2010 by joining in a coalition with the fn Tories - Which means robber by the way, and as a reward Nick Clegg, their leader at the time was made a Knight last year. My dream is a new stadium and a Corbyn government, with EFC top of the EPL - I can but dream.
Ian Burns
60 Posted 09/06/2018 at 21:12:14
Mike (#31), TW is a football forum and as such I presume is apolitical – so I would like to say there are other political opinions available!

Having said the above, if I still lived in the best city in the world (I left so many years ago, I don't even want to count, but to say that a few years ago, I returned to visit my parents' grave and couldn't find it!) – I would also vote for Joe Anderson – a true blue and to hell with the politics.

Tony Sullivan
61 Posted 09/06/2018 at 22:06:18
Tony Marsh, you asked the question 'Hey what do I know'?

Answer... Not a lot!

Anthony Dove
62 Posted 09/06/2018 at 22:36:41
Why don't we all stop worrying about everything Everton for a couple of months and enjoy the World Cup and even a bit of cricket?
Dennis Stevens
63 Posted 09/06/2018 at 22:51:48
Colin Glassar
64 Posted 09/06/2018 at 22:55:04
Cricket, Anthony? You must be a Tory! Football or nothing except maybe athletics, swimming, baseball or curling.
Damian Wilde
65 Posted 09/06/2018 at 00:04:49
Rob H, re: your mate wanting to give Allardyce three years, piss-take?
Andy Crooks
66 Posted 10/06/2018 at 00:20:26
Jay, I hope you will accept the responsibility for blowing Mike's brain. I have watched both recently and they stand up there with The Wire as capturing a city in a time capsule that is genius.
Don Alexander
67 Posted 10/06/2018 at 01:06:48
But a million miles from where we're expected to believe it is now Andy, allegedly of course.
Jay Wood

68 Posted 10/06/2018 at 02:04:41
Andy. Let me give you another cracker, broadcast around the same time from your part of the world, that you'll surely remember. Two words:

'Harry's Game'.

Clannad alone have a lot to thank that series for!

Will Mabon
69 Posted 10/06/2018 at 03:49:32
This is a highly complicated site to work with and with so many complicated work streams each will have dependencies and interdependcies that impact other streams that need careful management ongoing within the programme in order to keep the plan on track to achieve the major milestones set this year."

What was that training course called?

,"This is a highly complicated site to work with and with so many complicated work streams each will have dependencies and interdependcies that impact other streams that need careful management ongoing within the programme in order to keep the plan on track to achieve the major milestones set this year."

What was that training course called?

,,,1,02:36:33,,,ok,19747,06/10/2018 02:36:33,Overdrive,reader,, 925011,36787,toffeeweb,10/06/2018,Bob Parrington,,Great to see some sense coming in to the management!!,Great to see some sense coming in to the management!!,,,1,03:46:19,,,ok,2681,06/10/2018 03:46:19,bobpar,reader,, 925012,36780,toffeeweb,10/06/2018,Christopher Nicholls,,"Don, you literally typed the words I was thinking. The human fallibility of the referee is an intrinsic part of the poetry of the game. Maybe I am an old romantic, but living in the USA has exposed me to much more of the American hobbies than I care for. They ceased to be sports many years ago and are now just over-produced theatrics to drape advertising around.

I have also witnessed the use of VAR at a live game or two this year at the LA Galaxy and – to be none too poetic – it fucking sucked the life out of the game.

Cue... 'The video's a wanker...'

Ash Moore
70 Posted 10/06/2018 at 08:36:23
@Jay Wood #68. You should have started him on the prequel to Boys From The Blackstuff. It's on YouTube and is utterly brilliant. Answers a lot of questions you'd ask if you only watched the TV series.

Rob Halligan
71 Posted 10/06/2018 at 09:24:24
Damian (#65). Deadly serious, mate. He honestly thought Allardyce done a great job.
Keith Harrison
72 Posted 10/06/2018 at 10:15:01
I had the pleasure of sitting next to him at Newcastle away, Rob, when you were on one of your multi holidays. He'd make a glass eye cry!!
Rob Halligan
73 Posted 10/06/2018 at 11:10:01
Exactly, Keith. Must be the most miserable git ever at a footie match.

I've only known him for about 42 years and he's never changed.😖😖😖

Phil Bellis
74 Posted 10/06/2018 at 11:35:47
Ha! Well said, Will (#69).

I thought someone had swallowed a badly-written PRINCE2 manual!

Laurie Hartley
75 Posted 10/06/2018 at 12:28:47
Thanks, Michael,for your link to the podcast @ 50. This is the second time I have listened to Mayor Anderson regarding the stadium deal.

As an overseas Evertonian looking in from the outside I have to say he impressed me once again. He seems to have a great vision for the future of the City of Liverpool and a very entrepreneurial approach.

I got the distinct impression from his comments in the podcast that his concern is that he doesn't want the city to miss out on the additional £145M of revenue that the funding deal will deliver.

He made mention of the huge amounts of investment capital that are available from international sources like China. A waterfront development in one of England's major cities surely must have come to the attention of those looking for investment "opportunities". Perhaps there is some significant interest from another potential investor?

As he pointed out, there is a huge benefit to the City of Liverpool if the stadium is built – regardless of who provides the funding.

I remain very optimistic about this.

Jay Wood

76 Posted 10/06/2018 at 12:35:37
True Ash @ 70.

A one-off TV play, wasn't it. Simply called 'The Black Stuff', from memory...?

Dermot Byrne
77 Posted 10/06/2018 at 14:14:14
Just saw this. May be crap but if not, encouraging?

“When I spoke with the owner, one of the first things he said was about the new stadium," Silva said."

David McMullen
78 Posted 10/06/2018 at 15:13:05
We better hurry up we've only got 199 years left on the lease of the dock.

Seriously I think it's politics for the moment with the council loan. Don't forget, Everton have to find the other half of the funding as well. I enjoyed the podcast.

Paul Columb
79 Posted 10/06/2018 at 15:44:24
Rob...Keith (71-73) I do believe the cheerful lad in question was with us for West Ham away, Rob? It always surprises me (in a good way) that fans watching the same match and getting the same info regarding club activities can draw such differing opinions at such opposite ends of the spectrum. Allardyce for 3 more years is way off the UV end of it, but to each their own.

With respect to the studium issue, if in fact this is looking likely to happen (which it very well might), I'm still at a loss to understand why the club aren't generating some excitement about it – even if just to draw potential investors for naming rights, surrounding businesses to further the need for transportation upgrades, enhancing the profile of the club etc.

Not wanting CGIs for a 4th stadium failure in the electro-ether, I can understand... but not controlling any of the narrative (other than false hope a la 'weeks rather than months' and Meis's past courting of fans) is a failure on the club's behalf.

Hoping but not breath-holding for some change now that Harris has been named as the responsible party on this front. Not 'cause I trust the man but rather now there's a direct line to which fans can point if ongoing silence indicates another failed attempt.

Rob Halligan
80 Posted 10/06/2018 at 16:33:33
Yeah Paul. You've got it bang on.
Andy Crooks
81 Posted 10/06/2018 at 20:23:57
Jay@ 68, yes, Harry's game. I hope Michael and Lyndon will accept that this is Everton related.
The opening titles with the haunting Clannad theme played over a grim image of what was, at the time, the grimest place on earth is spectacularily and inexplicably beautiful. With respect to Don's comment I think it might have worked better for Belfast. My daughters live in a city that is not terrifying, though I do not view my town with rose tinted glasses.

To bring it back to our club: I would suggest that the Council supporting Everton and Everton offering a lot in return would be just huge for my second favourite city. Investment and the raising of profile works. It has bad points but it is a start.

I worked as an addiction counsellor in Glasgow in 1990. Being City of Culture didn't cut the problems but it did more good than not. Any investment in a big project that will bring a stadium for Everton and an income for years for the city should be grabbed, supported and cherished.

Glen Petersen
82 Posted 14/06/2018 at 18:51:35
- Only a small stadium can be built at Bramley-Moore Dock reducing revenues. 50,000, or 55,000 at most with reduced corporate facilities.
- Transport is poor to Bramley-Moore Dock, for 60,000.
- There will be major issues on it being a World Heritage Site so lengthy appeals.
- The government will call this sensitive plan in as they did with Kirkby. Issues will be transport and heritage.
- The club are also looking at other sites: Garston gasworks and maybe east of Finch Farm at a push.
- Outside of Liverpool, in Knowsley, Anderson will give a cheaper financing deal as the city does not get the business rates from the stadium.
- Rumours are that Knowsley may be incorporated into the city in the next few years, but not certain.

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