Jesus the Saviour?

But at the 'present moment' as is said; this time around, Jesus is more popular than the beatles. I feel this has more to do with perceived deficiencies and unhappiness with Silva.

Our (my) romantic side would like nothing more than for Flamenco to beat the rs in the World Club thing.

Then have (Jorge) Jesus turn up just before Christmas, have a stern word in the ears the 3 wise men, Moshiri, Kenwright and Brands about how its going to go dow

Move on to USMFF and...as somebody said weeks ago, kick collective arse and say...'I don't know what's been going on before - but all that shit stops NOW !

Thrash Burnley on the 27th, then Newcastle and see off whoever we get in the 3rd round of the cup.

To quote James Taylor...
Won't you look down upon me, jesus
You've got to help me make a stand
You've just got to see me through another day
My body's aching and my time is at hand
And I won't make it any other way.

And we'll still end up with Moyes.

"And whilst his football was not great at sporting, he played to the strengths of the players he had, and I'm sure we all remember Angel di Maria destroying us with Benfica when Jorge was in the dugout and they played sensational football.

And yes, If you read this Jay, it does pain me to say that.“

No idea about how easy on the eye Flamengo are but I watched the highlights of the Libatadores final and they weren't pretty, leaving it late. But Man Utd won many a final under fergie that they did not deserve and it would be wrong to judge his style of play on any of those games, other than to note the Man Utd never say die attitude.

The way Jesus changed sporting from an attractive team to a functional one can be seen as a positive. What happened was the president of Sporting decided to go to war with Jorge Mendes, the agent. And so got rid of some of his players and mendes took the rest out. sporting lost a lot of their best players over the three years or so that Jesus was there. He adapted without any real dip in position or points despite having inferior players. He completely changed the style of play and he turned Bas Dost into a goal machine. Jay highlighted on another thread that his touches to goals ratio is insane. The guy would walk around and do nothing for 30 minutes and then tap home an easy chance in the box. His goal to game ratio was more or less 1:1. He would never touch the ball other than to score, would play no part in the build up, but yet he was the match winner time and again. He owes Jesus a lot for maximising the little talent he has.

I'm not a fan of Jorge Jesus, but I don't deny his record of achievements or his ability to adapt. And as Jay says he would be pure box office. But I suspect he'd be banned from the touchline more in this country as some of his antics will not be tolerated.

The other concern I would raise is that the he is very stubborn and it is his way or no way. He doesn't give a shit what the fans think if they disagree with him. And there was something of a Martinez element to his teams as they often play far too open, which might be why he went a lot more defensive at Sporting.

He'd need a translator I assume.

I suppose Bielsa is getting on fine at Leeds so it could work.

But Emery, Juande Ramos, Christian Gross - plenty of examples of failures of foreign coaches when they are not fully fluent.

When you add to the bargain the possibility of him bringing a certain Brazilian striker who we are both fans of it begins to look like quite an enticing prospect! I wonder if there is any truth at all in the rumour?

Funnily enough one of my hopes is for Gallardo, his Libatadores opponent. I watched a bit of that match and in my opinion River were somewhat robbed. I think Gallardo has them playing some great football but then they are less consistent in the league than Flamengo (easier league?).

Jesus would certainly bring some fireworks. Of course it could go badly wrong but I suspect Evertonians would enjoy his passion. The language could be an issue but then half our first team speak portuguese! It would seem the timing could be quite good if he's available in the New year.

I can't see this one happening but many thanks for the information, Jay.

Jesus would only be available after the World Club Cup, by which time it is Christmas (cue Jesus at Christmas jokes). But if we keep Silva in place until then, there might be more attractive candidates, or Silva might have turned things around enough to see out the season, when we can get a manager for the long term.

Note Arteta cannot leave until the summer, either, according to Guardiola yesterday.

Anyone have any idea how likely this will come to pass?

Would be interesting to see what happens if Silva pulls some rabbits out of hats in the next few fixtures.

Could be a success or an absolute car crash. No doubt it would be a massive gamble. I do like a gamble however, despite being absolutely awful at it. I hope Moshiri is better!

An unknown quantity in Premier League terms from South American football is not the answer right now – especially if he is yet another manager who puts all the focus on attacking and expects the defensive side of things to magically happen. Get the basics right first and then try to play – not sure if this guy could do that.

Yes, it would be a laugh to watch his antics but we could be laughing all the way to the Championship. It's one thing doing well in the Portuguese or South American leagues – the Premier League is a big step up compared to them.

*waits*

In the real world, would he accept going down to championship?? 17 points, 19 played.

In the January window, we sign Harry Kane, Sterling, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Van Dijk, we stay up... easy! Anyone see us getting 25 points from the remaing games after Man City?

It could be too late, not that we wouldn't battle with the right manager... So Rafa. Moyes on Sunday. At least he will know what he's got to work with. In the January window, proven goalscorer, a midfied boss, a leader on the field please.

I dont really want Moyes, but respect him, what he did for us. Give him four years to stabilise the ship with Cahill as his No 2.

Charismatic and passionate, this lad suggests that he is a man manager and from what Steve's said, he won't take lack lustre or mediocrity.

But if proven then rumours are true, then perhaps Marcel is using some method to help secure a proven manager.

Ancellotti, I'd like but being realistic, I'd take Rafa as a step up, but I expect that whoever gets the job, will likely cause stir and for sure will not please all.

But the club must start progressing and stop the rot..

Past is fine but the club must build a future that successful and learn from past mistakes.

Will the board take stock and learn?

I think we underestimate the South American leagues just because their best players end up in Europe.

I too watched the final on Saturday and wanted River Plate to win. Somehow though Flamengo kept at it and had a sublime 5 minutes. You have to admire that self-belief which must have something to do with the coach.

But then I look at the long CV of Jesus and wonder? He's rarely settled down at many clubs. Perhaps that's the life of a continental European coach but I get twitchy about such a turnover as I do with Bielsa.

Mind you, our current coach is racking up the numbers as is our former one who is being suggested for the job.

Really at a loss as to what we can do, especially if we get nothing from the next 3 games.

Moyes it is then.

Like someone Mike G, I think, said it would never be boring with this guy, and just maybe the diversion with the possibility of success we need. That is if we can't get either Pochettino or Arteta/Cahill combo.

Arteta is not leaving City before the summer. Guardiola said so in his press-conference. Man City are very worried that he might leave and that Guardiola will be off the summer after next, and whilst they have Gio Van Bronckhorst currently learning off Gurdiola, the rumours are that City want Arteta to stay as he is the preferred candidate to keep the Guardiola system going. Not so sure about that myself, surely money bags City can go hire an experienced coach, and secondly why not let Arteta go for 18 months or so and learn his trade and then hire him back if he's any good?

Max Allegri is rumoured to have turned down Arsenal, so no chance for us then, and Arsenal are going to get Ljunberg in instead! Some bonkers stuff coming out on twitter today.

Heres one for you lets appoint a young manager without a fancy foreign name who has had sustained success in the PL ( The competition in which we actually compete ) ??? Anybody, EDDIES THE MAN

I can only assume this suggestion and some others I have now read, have come from the "power vacuum" left by an indecisive board. Isnt there enough dancing buffoonery in the dugout across stanley park ?

Edit: 5 year deal until 2024.

That is good news on Richarlison. I feel he has a bright future in the game and can be a world star (hopefully with us).