Do we deserve anything better?

Robert Burnham 06/01/2020 79comments  |  Jump to last

My first match at Goodison was a 1-0 victory over Bolton Wanderers on Boxing Day 1961. So I am approaching 60 years as a regular user of the drug that Is Everton Football Club. I have given myself twenty-four hours to reflect but the conclusion remains the same; the performance at Anfield on Sunday was the most shameful and degrading I have witnessed since that first day stood at the front of the Goodison Road terracing craning my neck to catch a glimpse of the action.

In those distant days you paid 15p to get in the ground whilst the more affluent could enjoy the luxury of the stands for about 32½p. As an additional comfort in the stands you could hire a plastic covered cushion for 2½p. It became the practice for the more elevated fans to show their displeasure at a poor team performance by hurling the cushions down onto the pitch. This was quite a sight as they had a finely tuned aerodynamism and if well-launched could glide a considerable way across the pitch.

Even if one of us of the proletariat below was struck the blow was minimal and with a bit of legerdemain you had a good chance of getting home with a nice blue cushion stuck up your coat. The beauty of the protest was that it was a kind of visual clapometer which even the toffs in the directors’ box could hardly fail to see. The more cushions the more the displeasure of the paying customers. Of course the club reacted as you would expect – they ceased renting cushions.

Fast forward a bit and think of the gloom of early 1980s. No cushions to throw, performances abject. How do we show our displeasure ? Simple. People just stayed away. Stayed away to the extent that a midweek game against Coventry drew just over 13,000 spectators. (Needless to say I was one of them). Now that really did send a message to the club. No fans. No money. No future.


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So here we are with a week to contemplate one of the worst days in our history (and if you think it wasn’t your soul is not blue). How shall we get across our anger and disillusionment when we next take our seats at Goodison on Saturday? The answer is simple. We won’t. The team will be clapped on to the pitch and we will hope to write off the bitter memories of Sunday with a win over the Premier League giants that are Brighton.

And even if we don’t beat Brighton I know that as I walk out of the Top Balcony with an internal maelstrom of rage and exasperation most of the crowd will be laughing and joking or talking about what they are going to have for tea. Because although we talk about how great we Evertonians are at the end of the day we will take whatever crap the club put before us and apart from the odd whinge on a website we will sheep-like trudge on to the next match, scrabbling to buy our season tickets and awaiting the next indignity like a junkie awaiting their next fix. I read recently something along the lines of Evertonians are not made, they are simply subject to an inescapable burden from their parent.

In a parallel universe somewhere an Everton team will walk out on Saturday to silence. They will look at a huge banner across the Gwladys Street end which says something like “Liverpool Youth 1 – Everton Millionaires 0 : A Day of Shame”. A plane will fly above the ground trailing a banner “Not Fit To Wear The Shirt” and across the PA system someone from the club will apologise for letting us down.

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Mike Galley
1 Posted 07/01/2020 at 01:28:25
Great article, Robert, thank you. Funnily enough I also sit in the top balcony. 24 years, I think in the same seat. With regards to the team getting clapped onto the pitch, not by me they wont be. I'm still going the game of course, but I shall wait outside till just after three as I'm still having a hard time coming to terms with that performance, and I refuse, for this week at least to applaud them.
Even if we win, if I'm still there at the end, I won't be clapping them off either.
Don't really care if anyone doubts my Evertonian credentials with regard to this stance. That performance has given me one sleepless night and I'm not prepared to forgive them just yet.
I probably epitomise the junkie Evertonian you describe in one of your later paragraphs, but for this weekend at least, they'll be receiving no unconditional love from this blue.
Nicholas Ryan
2 Posted 07/01/2020 at 01:55:52
Next time the children misbehave, I won't just get angry, I will release my 'internal maelstrom of rage' … That ought to sort them out!!
Kieran Kinsella
3 Posted 07/01/2020 at 01:59:18

For some reason the vitriol seems only to be directed at the local lads. Think about Hibbert, Osman, Barkley etc and the jeering and sneering they’ve endured. Maybe the fans are intimidated by “stars.” I don’t know but I’d pass around copies of Sigs comments today and jeer him every time he touches the ball. so two or three times in 90 minutes.

Bill Watson
4 Posted 07/01/2020 at 02:03:01

Good reflections, Robert. I was at both of those games. I took my younger brother to the Bolton game and sat him on a barrier behind the Gwladys Street goal. Fortunately, for him, he didn't catch the bug and never went again.

The cushions were a brilliant way of showing dissent but, as you say, they were discontinued because it was so easy.

I was hoping the club would issue some sort of apology but I'm not holding my breath. Nevertheless, I'm sure it will come up at next week's AGM.

Over the years we've all seen some awful performances but Sunday was truly shocking both in the overall display but most of all in the total lack of reaction after they scored.

I truly hope Ancelotti has marked some cards.

Dick Fearon
5 Posted 07/01/2020 at 06:50:57
Those wankers are so heartbroken they probably cry all the way to the bank.
Ian Pilkington
6 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:39:54
Robert, I went to my first game in February 1961 and have a season ticket in the Top Balcony so we have much in common.
After almost certainly the most shameful performance in our history I intend to greet them in silence on Saturday but I expect to be one of a small minority.
I will never forget the eerie quiet walking away from the ground, leaving at the final whistle after Moyes’ last match.
Thousands stayed on to cheer the manager who achieved nothing in ten years other than so-called “stability” and who had furtively agreed to join our second most hated rivals.
Contrastingly, Liverpool supporters simply would not have tolerated the years of pain that we have suffered, epitomised by the sight of Kenwright still occupying a seat in the directors box after a generation of failure.
We have to live in hope that we will get the team we deserve, with the arrival at last of a world class manager, the prospect of a new stadium and serious financial backing from Usmanov, but last Sunday will be seared in the memory for a very long time.
Bill Fairfield
7 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:43:14
Good post Robert I just hope the team announcer on Saturday doesn't introduce the team"And now for the mighty blues of Everton" it would be absolutely shameful
Lynn Maher
8 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:44:24
First class Robert.
I'm sure there are many of us that feel the same. The problem as you say, is how do we show this club our frustration. Do they even care?
I have been supporting Everton since that great 1966 FA Cup Final. What a fight back that was!
As a season ticket holder I will be there on Saturday, but there is no way I would be there otherwise.
Jay Woods
9 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:57:13
While the fans continue to bask in the self-congratulation of Everton in the Community and "People's Club" hogwash - both of which serve as feelgood distractions from the woeful state of the team - they deserve such debasement as that just self-administered at Anfield. Likewise, I consider every on-field humiliation nowadays a reverberation from the mass applause for Blue Bill at Goodison. Lap it up boys. We deserve it.
Ken Kneale
10 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:58:31
Ian I suspect you speak for many of our generation. When my son asks 'how has it come to this?', I respond with much similar. Everton FC have accepted mediocrity and praised failure - disloyal failure in Moyes case
Rick Tarleton
11 Posted 07/01/2020 at 10:12:15
Like so many of you, I'm an older supporter, first game, 1953-4 against Plymouth, we won 8-4, sixty six years later still waiting for another twelve goal thriller.
Yes, Sunday was my worst day too, I remember losing 1-6 at home to Arsenal in the late fifties in what for me was my first floodlit match, but Sunday was worse.
I hate it when I get phone calls from my Liverpool friends and relatives, they don't even give me banter anymore, just embarrassed, patronising pity.
These players are too old, too battered by the injuries that have occurred inevitably in their careers, that's Coleman, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Walcott and Delph. Some are unsuited to what they are being asked to do, Mina cannot play out from the back, he needs too long, Digne hasn't the pace to defend and tackle when needed. Richarlison wants to be awarded a foul whenever anyone approaches him. Iwobi is a good Arsenal reserve, not a number ten in a reasonable team. I could go on. Basically the defence lacks pace, the midfield lacks an engine and the strikers play as three individuals and don't link up.
Whether Ancelotti is capable of working with the calibre of player he has at Goodison is interesting. Managers of his reputation and experience are used to having players who can execute their tactics, if they don't they are sold on, think Hart or Sturridge, but at Goodison he could move ten or eleven on to make a real difference.
Evertonians have always picked on local lads, Derek Temple had a rough time when as a teenager he played as a striker replacing Hickson, similarly Mick Buckley. Tom Davies being brought on in a decent team would be an England prospect.
I simply feel despair at the moment, more so than at anytime in the past sixty odd years. I believe that if Ancelotti has the ability and motivation to turn this setup round he'll earn every penny of his huge wages. I'm not optimistic.
John Zapa
12 Posted 07/01/2020 at 10:26:15
The worst week will continue with the imminent release of the £100m record losses. If we didn't already know how poorly the club was being run, the numbers will be plain for all to see. No excuses, just poor leadership from the top.
What's worse, is that this current financial year will probably be as bad if not worse, income is declining while costs continue to rise, especially wages. The outlook is extremely poor.
Derek Thomas
13 Posted 07/01/2020 at 10:37:44
Robert I seem to remember that was my 2nd or 3rd game. My first was 5th Nov 1960.

I hope they come out to total official silence. No Everton themed songs, no siren and most of all - no Z Cars. These wasters don't deserve to come out to the same tune as true blue giants. They have to re-earn the right to be applauded - by actually doing something.

Charles Barrow
14 Posted 07/01/2020 at 10:50:55
Paradoxically this is indeed the worst week in living memory for Evertonians and yet could also be the best thing that ever happened, as any other result would have papered over the cracks.

We have reached rock bottom and I believe and hope that from now on things can improve. Ancellotti strikes me as an honourable man who will work tirelessly to put things right. Unlike Koeman, who I believe is truly to blame for this mess and who spent more time on the golf course than at Finch Farm, I think he will not buy players on a whim and blow tens of millions on over rated nonentities. I think he understands the serious problems we as a club face. I dream of Ancelotti holding up the Premier league trophy in 3 years time and saying that the loss to Liverpool was the worst moment in his entire career and that this is the vindication of his decision to stay and fight!

If I have misunderstood Ancelotti's character and he is here only for the money, then we are doomed as I can't see us surviving in the premiership without a talented and committed manager.

Eddie Dunn
15 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:07:58
Robert, very interesting article.
One of the problems for all fans who live near their club is that loyalty, which is to a mythical thing, a club that epitomises all of the good things that we want in our team.
The club records sing of hearing"Everton come flying on the breeze" and how "as long as they're(fans) behind us, we'll never let them down".
How I chuckled when on so many occasions these words echoed in my head after an abject performance lacking craft and effort.
Unlike the regulars at Goodison today, I left the area at 20 but managed to see us in London and the south over many years. Now in South west Wales it's once a season if I'm lucky, on a trip home to Merseyside, if tickets are available.
I have mates in Portsmouth and have seen Everton down there a few times and travelled to Pompey games with them.
Now those lads only had stories of success from their Dads and they looked uponn us as fans who had been comparitively spoiled with success.
They went to Fratton Park through thick and thin. It's the same all over the country, it's a habit, and often it isn't enjoyable, but people still go out of loyalty and hope.
If I still lived nearby, I would be there regularly. Through thick and thin but the only way the club get the message is if they see empty seats and hear the boos.
The reception should be very muted on Saturday.
John P McFarlane
16 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:11:40
We all have to be very careful about how we react to Sunday's terrible, hurtful performance, because it could be very counter-productive to the future of the club. It's a predicament as fans that we have faced far too often in the last few years.

Like many other Blues, I've lost sleep about what happened on Sunday and I still haven't arrived at a satisfactory way of approaching the Brighton match. I suppose I'll do what I've mostly done in the past, go to the game, hope that there is a positive reaction from the team and hope that they gain the three important points on offer.

If the team don't react on Saturday, then we are in very dangerous waters, but there is very little we as supporters can do. Marching through the street, hurling abuse at the players/management won't have any impact on the club.

Do we deserve anything better? Yes we probably do, but since the game sold it's soul to TV, fans have less influence then at any time in the history of the game. Even our absence from the stadia wouldn't hurt them, because our financial contribution to the cause, is peanuts compared to the TV money.

Alan Burnham
17 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:42:51
Thanks for such interesting comments - especially from those of you who are the same vintage as me ! One other point - I'm not sure why this article came out under my first (but unused) name.
Steve Ferns
18 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:14:10
Alan, I wasn't sure how to respond to your article. I am very angry over the performance and yes it would be nice to get across to the players like Sigurdsson as to just how angry we are, but what would it achieve?

If we all turn out and boo them for 90 minutes against Brighton, we will lose a game we should win. If we start losing games in the league again, and note we lost our last game to City. Then we would have a big game away to West Ham with David Moyes well up for it and knowing a win would leapfrog us (or if we lose to Brighton and they win, then they could be out of reach).

The next few league games will really set the tone for the rest of the season. This is the list:
Brighton (h)
West Ham (a)
Newcastle (h)
Watford (a)
Palace (h)

If you want to be top 4, then you are winning every one of those games. We would expect to win each of the home games and pick points up away. 11 points would probably have us back in the top 10 and able to claw our way back into the top 6.

Brian Harrison
19 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:20:21
Like many I started going to Goodison in 1956/57 and there have been many lows and a few highs in that time, but I don't think I have ever felt ashamed of the team I support until Sunday. I still think most of us are still shell shocked and utterly humiliated by Sundays game. Saturday will feel very strange for many of us entering Goodison, I think it will be very quiet with many fans not feeling like they can support this pathetic group of players.

But as annoyed and humiliated as this group make me feel right now, this is our club these players are only here for a short while but for us its a lifetime commitment. So we will need to get behind the manager and his assistant and let them know we are always here for the club, if not for some of the players currently wearing the shirts. Because the alternative is we turn on these players which with their lack of fight and ability it could see us tumbling down and even out of the division. Now they might deserve that but our fans don't. So we have no alternative but to try and encourage this team as best we can to get to safety.

Dave Abrahams
20 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:23:59
I will be sitting in The Upper Bullens when the teams come out on Saturday, and like some on here and hopefully, like many in the ground, will stay sitting and silent until the match starts. Like Ian(6) I too couldn’t believe the majority of the crowd waited, after the WHU, to applaud the manager who was leaving, I was on my toes and out of the stand as soon as the referee blew for the final whistle.

Maybe on Saturday the greeting of the team on Saturday should be all of us waving white hankies, to acknowledge their meek surrender last Sunday.

Richard Cusworth
21 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:31:18
Hopefully the darkest hour is before the dawn as they say. It would be a long dawn if it comes true. I don't live in the area and bow to the more experienced Evertonians and those who see us more regularly than me now. I can only hope this is a watershed moment. In an attempt to heal I watched Howard's Way last night, I am fortunate enough to be of an age where I remember those days if only as a boy Never in my wildist dreams would I believe 35 years on the distance between the reality of where we are and winning a trophy would be so large. You look for turning points and where it went wrong and only history reveals this. Heysal, Sky & Walker/Abramovic changed the game for us. We lost our team, our chance to dominate and then our financial clout once revenues based on gate money became a thing of the past. Our injection of money came too late and all it has served is to try and keep up with the mediocrity. The one thing I loved from the documentary was the obvious winning mentality that 80's team had The chemistry and will to fight for one another but also the honesty to dig people out. Different times maybe but that's what we need in our players. All I can imagine at present is if the likes of Richi or Kean get dug out. It would be a sulk and a phone call to their rat of an agent. Money has destroyed the desire of most footballers ansld few are left with that real desire to want to be the best. Is there hope?.. There has to be or there's no point. Just like Brocks backpass maybe Sunday in all its painful humiliation might be it. Ancelotti has to earn his money now and have a clear understanding of the minimum requirement. Goodison can be the best place in the world to play for... It can also be the hardest.. We are unforgiving in our demands and to an extent rightly so. There won't be a quick fix and I don't want to see ant fancy Dan's coming for a pension. We need above all else winners who hate defeat and a collective chemistry from terrace to dressing room. Only then will there be a chance to even begin to threaten the top 6 and hope if a cup. A long shot yes... But if Leicester can win this league then there has to remain hope that the status quo can be broken in the remainder of my life time even though it feels remote and a pipedream that seems to get battered year in year out. We are Everton... There is no other choice
Rob Halligan
22 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:33:49
Where I sit in the upper gwladys, abuse is sometimes given out for even the slightest mistake. Saturday should be fun then!!
Bill Griffiths
23 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:42:40
You've voiced my thoughts on this exactly Robert.
It's a tricky one really. My initial thoughts would be to boo them on to the pitch but that would probably be counter productive given how things stand.
I think best to let them emerge to silence then get behind them after kick off.
Like Dave's idea though of all waving white hankies

chris williams
24 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:44:07
Sunday was a humiliation without doubt. The worst display of many bad ones in this benighted season.

Sheffield Utd was appalling, and We took my grandson for his first visit to Goodison. Which made it even worse.
At least he enjoyed his pizza!

Norwich was worse when we watched a group of players who didn’t understand what their individual roles were. That was when I accepted that Silva had to go.

Getting hammered by Liverpool reserves pre Christmas and conceding the same goal 4 times. And he finally went.

Then Sunday, well beaten by Liverpool youth. A final humiliation?

It will be interesting to see who he picks against Brighton. In a game we should and must win.

Then there is the window.

I see Ancelotti is today talking about sitting down with the Academy management. It might be an interesting discussion, at least for Ancelotti

I’m 72 and have been going to Goodison since February 1954. My grandson is the 5th generation of my family to go. You would think that by now I might have learned not to be too affected by this sort of thing

But I feel bleak. But I will be there on Saturday.

Tony J Williams
25 Posted 07/01/2020 at 13:25:14
I'm sick to the back teeth with the suggestion that we, as fans, are somehow to blame for the utter shite we have to endure on the pitch.
Fucking planes with messages?
Do you honestly believe the board give a polar bear's right nad what a banner says?

We as fans suffer the God awful games and go back the next one because we have season tickets, we are not sheep, we simply want to go the game (and have a few sherbets before and after said game)

Just sick of the idea that we, as fans, can somehow have enough influence to cause these overpaid pricks to play better, or in a few players, simply play like a fucking professional for once

Tony Abrahams
26 Posted 07/01/2020 at 13:37:18
I didn’t know Ancellotti has said this about sitting down with academy manager, but unless it is to promote a few of the kids, what really is the point because it wasn’t our younger players who folded like a pack of cards on Sunday.

I hate going off the words of reporters, but if it’s true that Pickford was shouting at the Liverpool kid good cross, then he would the first to be taken out the team. If it was in jest, that’s even worse because I know Carragher said our players wanted to be friendly before the game, but surely not after wearing the Everton shirt in one of the clubs very darkest days.

I heard Ferguson had to get out the changing rooms before he strangled someone, after being told he was out of order for having a go at a team that had just lost to a gang of kids, and whilst I was thinking of 100 banners all alluding to telling the players that we will be here, long after they’ve well gone, and if they have no pride in the shirt, then at least have some pride in themselves, but I think Dave’s white (his are usually yellow! which is even better, being the colour of a coward) hankies is a very good shout indeed.

Steve Ferns
27 Posted 07/01/2020 at 13:44:31
Tony, that's not the first time I have heard that Duncan has been prevented from telling the players what he thought of them. I wonder if it was the same people complaining about him being out of order (it wasn't Silva or his team preventing him)?
Andy Codling
28 Posted 07/01/2020 at 13:59:09
My mate saw Duncan a while back whilst Silva was still here and he told him then, it is the players!!!
The majority of these jellyfish need fucking off and there are obviously bad attitudes in there.
Im sick of the club rolling out a new video of these c**ts laughing and joking around finch farm!
Bill Rodgers
29 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:02:04
It can't be the manager because we've been through half a dozen in fewer years. Most of the players would get a regular spot in most EPL teams outside the top five. It cannot be the lack of money anymore - we have spent more than enough for nearly five years. The supporters favourite target is Kenwright but how is he responsible an apathy that plagues our team regardless of the players, the manager, the opposition?

Isn't the answer that the fans demand instant success, cheer on each spending spree and every managerial superstar - but they have no tolerance for the slow, progressive build that is necessary? Imagine if a new boss came in and said survival was the game, we had to build a system and a style and a top 6 finish was 3 years away? The fans would not accept it because they are deluded by past glories and quick fixes. That is my honest assessment of what makes EFC unique - the combination of high expectations and easy, though expensive, fixes.

How else do you explain the demand to put Ferguson in the hot seat permanently? Is there any chance that he could rant his way to success or attract talent ?

Now we have Ancelotti,who could be here for a pension top-up. We'll know - not when he reads the players the riot act - but when he tells the supporters the hard truths - that we are years away from building a foundation. But it's either that or continuing to kid ourselves from one week to the next.

Brent Stephens
30 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:07:38
“The first team has to have a strong relationship with the Academy, we have to work together to improve the players from the youth system,” Ancelotti told evertontv.

“There will be times I can take players from the Academy to train with the first team.

“I will speak with the Academy manager to find the right way to improve the young players and get them ready for our first team.

“I have regular contact with Marcel, we have discussions every day to find the right solution to do our best for this club.

“Everyone is here to work for this club, to try to bring this club to the highest level possible.

“I would like to know about all the young players – it would be good to have players come from the Academy into the first team,” added Ancelotti.

“Anthony Gordon is working with us.

“I see a lot of quality in him. He has to improve and we have to be patient with him.

“But he has the quality to be at the top level.

“He has to gain more knowledge and experience but his quality is very good.”

Derek Wadeson
32 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:30:24
As a season ticket holder in the Lower Bullens I am obviously at the home game when we win on TV. For away games I either watch Sky sports news or watch us live on TV if the game is covered as a live match.

I have since Marco Silva has been sacked trying to recall our away wins live on TV over the last few seasons. I have come up with

Lincoln City this season in the league cup, Carlisle Utd away in the FA Cup.

Premier League wise I can think of Sunderland 2016 3-0 and Burnley 2014 3-1.

A pretty appaling record that shows no sign of ending.

My first Everon match was the 1961 Liverpool Senior Cup Final at Goodison when Everton played Liverpool, both teams put out their first teams to a full house as it was the only way to play a Derby match as Liverpool were in the old Second Division at the time.

Just to end on a high note Everton won 4-3 rather than the depression that is currently engulfing us all

John P McFarlane
33 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:41:10
Bill #29 I agree that shouting and bawling at millionaire footballers is unlikely to have the desired effect on them - although something must have worked for Duncan in his brief spell in charge as the players were transformed and played with passion and purpose.

As for the fans demanding instant success, I don't agree, 25 years without any sort of trophy, one cup final appearance and a few decent but hardly inspiring cup runs during that period ended because as soon as the team faced a team with greater hunger or a better team, we were knocked out. Even in this last month, there were two golden opportunities to progress in both cups and the players wilted.

So often Everton have started the campaign very slowly and have usually managed to turn things around by spring, one season, that is not going to happen and the club will be relegated.

I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, the supporters don't purchase the players, don't set the tactics and don't have a great deal of say in the motivation of the players. We are not the only club in recent times where players don't appear to give their all, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and United have had similar issues to deal with, but the players now hold all of the power.

I think most of us realise that Everton won't be challenging the top sides for a good while, most of us are willing to show patience if we can see a little progress, most of us accept that there will be quite a few bumps in the road on that journey, but what all of us can't accept is the team accepting defeat in the manner in which they did on Sunday.

We have to support Ancelotti for as long as possible because if he fails to motivate the team, if he is unable to get every ounce of energy out of this squad, and if he is yet another manager who insists on the current players trying to play in a style that doesn't suit their abilities, we'll be in a very dire situation both on the pitch and financially off it.

Survival first and foremost has been the remit of most clubs in the Premier League era, it has probably always been this way for much of the history of the game and the fans accept that, but the fans also want to see a team, trying their best, is that really being too demanding?

Steve Ferns
34 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:46:00
Derek W, the thing is Everton are a home side. We are usually top 6 for home results and bottom half for away results. We usually win 4 games away from home in the League, 25% of the games. The 4 games are usually wins over poor sides. Sky would never show Everton away at a small club, so if we are away it's at a big side. Therefore, you'll never see us win on TV away, simply because when did we last beat a big side away? I think we might need to go back to Martinez' Everton beating Moyes' United at Old Trafford in 13/14.
John P McFarlane
35 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:00:04
Steve #34 I agree that Everton being covered live on TV at the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City et al has been littered with defeats, with the odd point gained here and there, particularly in the last decade.

You are correct in saying that the last victory was against United when Moyes' faced Martinez. Prior to that we saw a few wins at City and Spurs before they were established as Champions League regulars. We haven't won at Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool this century, which is barely believable, however our record in general at those grounds prior to the formation of the Premier League, hasn't been awash with victories either.

I don't agree that Sky et al don't show Everton away at the lesser sides. Aston Villa and Bournemouth this season both ended in defeats and there have been many similar away results against these sorts of teams broadcast live in the UK on various platforms in the last decade or so. Millwall last season in the cup and a few other similar matches have also been shown live much to our dismay.

Tony Abrahams
36 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:00:16
The thing that has been uppermost in my thoughts since Sunday, is that if that game would have been at Goodison then I’m sure Everton would have won it comfortably.

I might be wrong, especially because it’s impossible to predict something that has’nt happened, but we all know our players and what our club has gradually become over time, and it’s the reason I got very bad vibes from the minute I woke up on Sunday morning.

We have become a club with no identity over a very long period of time, without a win at Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea in the league for over 20 years. We used to have-a-go at City, but never since they’ve become one of the really big boys. One win at United, and when did we last beat Spurs away from home?

Moshiri himself has been convinced we can’t win these games, and this is a man who has put an absolute fortune into Everton, probably whilst the man who convinced him, has made a fortune.

Only Ferguson has generated real passion over the last five seasons, and I now think Ancelotti has got to be clever and give Duncan a voice? Maybe Duncan doesn’t want to be talking to the press, but it would do everyone good if he talked to the fans, and explains something we all already know.

If you believe Everton is not a quick-fix, then I’m sure it’s something that could see you sectioned, but it would be nice for the words to be spoken, hopefully after a few of these players have been dis-guarded for good.

I just hope the bottom of the well has now been found, that’s my biggest wish for our club right now.

Ken Kneale
37 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:11:29
How can the coach be asked to leave the room? Surely that is not true
Ken Kneale
38 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:11:29
How can the coach be asked to leave the room? Surely that is not true
Paul Cherrington
39 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:14:46
It is a disgrace if Big Dunc is not being allowed to give the players a good telling off when they need it and let them know exactly how the land lies, as has been noted above.

It's funny that they all suddenly started putting a shift in when he was manager and he could do this if he liked! If Ancelotti has anything about him, the first thing he should do is let Dunc off the chain and get back to terrifying the losers in our dressing room into performing.
Brent Stephens
40 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:30:55
Tony #36, I agree. We'd probably have won if that game had been played at Goodison. We're scared of Anfield. We need some leaders on the pitch who make the rest of the team more afraid of them than of Anfield.
Kieran Kinsella
41 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:35:07

Wasn’t there a similar rumor a few months ago about Dunc having a bust up with DCL or fighting with Silva about DCL or something?
As far as being “out of order” Carlo is the boss. He has to set the tone so he may feel a stern talking to is better than screaming. Also, he’s just got here. Dunc has seen this same shower let down four other managers so his perspective is different.

Jerome Shields
42 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:35:07

The things that happen to people are very like the people they happen too.

Everton more than any other Club in the Premiership have generations of supporters. Over the years they have been sold the the People's Club or similar crap and have believed they where part of a Community. Even that word has been hijacked to add to the sop.

But behind it all and on the backs of the fans a Duff Management has been allowed to rise and prosper at Everton, resulting in a consistent underperforming Club, which has enriched those first to the trought. They have achieved this by lack of investment in the Club, characterised by no interest in building a winning team or fan faclities. They are still doing the same, ripping off all around them. This is the Culture that pervades all aspects of Everton. Over the years the fans have unknowlny supported them and believe their bullshit , though their awareness has increased a lot in recent years.

The fans deserve what they are getting, because they where the type of fans that it was going to happen too anyway.

Jer Kiernan
43 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:35:37
During the woeful displays that culminated in Koeman getting the chop where it was clear this shower of sh1tes cared not a toss win lose or draw, I had suggested on TW a good old fashioned pelting with rotten fruit of the bus or players or both,

I was dismissed but I, like most Evertonians after 35 years of support witnessing that disgraceful "performance" on Sunday am mostly disturbed by the fact that these millionaires are NOT aware of the contempt that the fans have for them

A visit to the fruit and veg store on Saturday is the order of the day, failing that they should be roundly booed on Saturday for bringing shame to the shirt, Like most on here I will forgive them for being crap but the cowardice both physical and physcological on display last week was something to behold- The lowest point for me

I don't know if I will bother my arse watching on Saturday or if indeed is time to finally to wean myself off the afourmentioned drug and do something better more productive with my time, They are not worthy of our support ,, Utter c7ntz

Kevin Molloy
44 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:35:57
it's time to put sunday to bed now. We've got a hole to dig ourselves out of, and it will be utterly counterproductive to bear grudges against the team on Satruday (and no doubt Carlo will not even pick the biggest offenders). Carlo will have learnt alot about his team at the weekend, and in a year's time half of them wont be here. Let's remember, we've got the best coach in the world right now, but he's only just got here, and he's got a hell of a job on his hands.
Eddie Dunn
45 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:41:11
On the subject of Anfield- I watched on BBC, and were the effects mikes all at the Kop end? I hardly heard our 8000 fans in the Anny road End.
Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 07/01/2020 at 16:01:08

I heard our fans during the first 30 minutes on tv but after that there was nought to cheer

Colin Riley
47 Posted 07/01/2020 at 16:15:40
Watch the team play amazing on Saturday now the pressure is off. Serial bottlers the lot of them. If I were Carlo, I'd have a policy in place to go hell for leather to recruit the best local lads from all areas from the north of England, sprinkle some foreign stardust over it with a max of five players only.

I've watched this foreign crap for years now and can't stand them. Lightweight, falling over, don’t tackle the ball, too slow to press, ponderous on the ball, lack of range of pass. All bollocks. Give me a bloke from Sheffield with scars down his face and a bent nose who can run through walls.

The last Everton side with any balls was the 95 FA Cup winning side, the rest have been pretenders. The best side we ever had under Howard had two leaders at the back middle and front with wingers and full backs that could all cross. They could also break a leg if you took the piss. Totally ruthless to a man. This is the team I want, Carlo, with someone who would put Firmino and Mane on their arse and stay down.

I hope Carlo reads this otherwise 2020 will be a twat of a year. Nothing to look forward too but players leaving and praying the arrivals aren't injured as soon as they arrive or bench warmers. As they say, Blues, it's the hope that kills you. Never more true supporting Everton, but support we do whatever the weather.

A was at the coventry game in an empty stadium. I remember the snowball fight in the enclosure for the Ipswich game. I remember Mick Ferguson on the bench. I've put them to the back of my mind. But I'll never get Sunday's result out of my head. My soul has been tormented like a demon. It won't leave me until we twat them good style in their back yard. Onwards and upwards, eh?
Bill Fairfield
48 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:11:47
Doesn't matter who the manager is this spineless bunch of losers only care about what's going in the bank,I hope the fans make there feelings felt on Saturday we've had enough,Carlo they've got to go or you will go the same as the last manager cos they've proved over and over that they couldn't care less
Kieran Kinsella
49 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:14:02

Rotten tomatoes is one thing but you know some will take it too far. If objects start reigning down some fans will think it’s funny to lob Molotov cocktails or hand grenades.

Bill Watson
50 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:16:27
Eddie #45

The Liverpool supporters were silent until they scored.

Derek Knox
51 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:22:16
Good article Robert and some good posts too on this thread, but I can't help feeling that the title implies that the fans are somehow to blame for the team's incompetence.

I don't mean just Sunday's abject showing, but in general over the seasons since we last showed promise and produced. I know I am somewhat biased but I can't fault the fans at all, and display a loyalty that more often or not is retrospectively misplaced.

Let's just hope something happens in the next few days both on the pitch, and in the Transfer Market too. But as many have mentioned there are far too many Gravy Train Season Ticket Passengers on immoral wages and long term contracts, who will be nigh on impossible to shift.

Jer Kiernan
52 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:26:20
@Kieran 49
Well maybe the fruit and Veg stores where closed that day so Molotov cocktails were all they could source bless em :)

Recently the Irish national team fans threw tennis balls on to the pitch to protest the rampant corruption at the FAI, maybe something similar ,They were roundly criticized by the media of course ,who see the game as purely a product however it did raise the issue at an international level

To note ,they have since opened the books of said organization to find (as often is the case in Ireland) the cesspit of corruption had no bottom, All involved will walk away with golden handshakes and the game itself especially at junior level will do well to ever recover

I am hoping we don't suffer a similar faith at club level but there are some similarities in the types of characters involved, I can imagine them walking out at FF on Monday as if nothing had happened

Jack Convery
53 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:43:57
Seeing as they are as useful as used bog roll I know what I'd throw with my hands wearing yellow marigolds to empathise their collective cowardice.

I reckon Carlo needs to put a couple of the U23s in the team on Saturday. Siggy, Walcott and Schneids should be dropped until their attitude changes and if not shipped out this month - they must leave in the summer.

Do the Dixies get awarded at the AGM or is that a different night ? When the Dixies are being awarded would be the right place to let them really know the contempt most of us feel right now.

Paul Birmingham
54 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:54:15
Great article Robert, and the performance and lack of care after the game by the squad bar Sidebe is unforgivable and won’t be forgotten.

It showed the team is not a proper team and has no back bone, spine, belief, morality care etc and the lack of football nous is lamentable.

There will be a time when enough will be enough for many, but for the hell if getting in the face of RS, fans I’ll take the pain, albeit in full knowledge the mean time for Everton’s next trophy win, is not known.

Perhaps there will be some standard apology note to the fans in the next programme. What’s the point, when the yellow belly cowards, deserted the club on Sunday?

Will this be the end of many of this squad?

Let’s hope so.

Michael Spear
55 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:05:20
Robert, like you my first game was in 1961 (6-0 against Forest), didn't miss a home game and very few away until moving south in 1972. Enjoyed my new 'home' games at Wembley during the '80s and after retiring started trekking back up from Watford to the Park End five seasons ago, enjoying hospitality in The Captains' Table along the way.
Unfortunately, or fortunately you might say, I haven't been able to get up to a game since April 2018 as I've been caring for my wife Beryl. Sadly she passed away last Saturday and I started seeing a chance of returning to the fold. Then Sunday happened and my grief was suddenly compounded by an even greater feeling of utter despair.
But yes, once my head stops reeling and the pain of my loss (not their loss) begins to subside, I'll be back on the train to Lime Street every other week. Why? God alone knows...
Jim Bailey
56 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:26:31
Well I thought that Carlo had a cunning plan,take a hit in the cup,which let's face it we would be highly unlikely to win,and put the wasters and no mark useless bastards on show,not just for us beleaguered fans,but the country and world wide.
Carlo then go to see Mosh the dosh,give a typical Italian shrug of the shoulders and raise his eyebrow to the max.
"See I told you they're shite. Now, I have some players in mind"
Well hope that was the reason for the team he put out.
Short term pain,long term gain?
I really hope so.
William Cox
57 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:56:21
It was a shocking second half display lacking commitment and confidence.
I have never felt so frustrated and ashamed with an Everton team's performance.
We will just have to battle on and try to finish as high in the league as we can. By then Carlo should know who needs to leave and what type of player needs to be brought in.
Rob Dolby
58 Posted 07/01/2020 at 19:37:19
Good article.

I was also at the Coventry game. It was like a morgue that night a real ghost town.

The conundrum is that I want to make some form of protest at our heartless shit house players but I also know that BHA are no mugs and would almost certainly win the game if we started getting on the players backs early in the game.

After Sunday I can't see anything other than a relegation battle this season and we all know how important home support is from now until we are safe.

Once we get to 40 points I would endorse almost any form of protest. Bring the cushions back!

John Boon
59 Posted 07/01/2020 at 19:58:20
Michael(55) sincere condolences on your sad loss. As well as showing your dedication to your wife you were also able to make me realise that there are far more important in life than football.

I actually started watching Everton about fifteen years before 1961. From the end of the war up until the early sixties there was absolutely nothing special about the Toffees so you were introduced to being Evertonian at just the right time.

As dreadful as the last game was, and it was as awful as all posters have said,frustration often elicits the type of comments that have been seen on ToffeeWeb since the Liverpool game. I was able to also give my own vitriolic posts. I was angry and clearly stated just what I felt. However I am still an Evertonian and will be supporting them against Brighton on the weekend. As a fanatic I don't really have any choice. We can and should protest about what has happened to our club.Hopefully our new manager can do "something".

We expect our players to be tough and determined. Why Not? However from experience I have learned from many years that an Evertonian needs to be just as tough. Everton is so much of my life that, as bad as it seems, they are the first thing I think about when I wake up in the morning. And I am now at the stage that I am actually glad just to wake up in the morning and realise that I am still here. I still think we will "Rise Again"

Darren Hind
60 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:03:29
Sorry Robert

When I saw the title of this piece my heart sank. I just knew it was going to be one of those posts which blamed the fans for the desperate state our club has fallen into.

The fans were not even aware that once Mr John left, He he would be leaving such a huge gaping hole in the club finances. You may remember differently from me, but the fans could not prevent us sliding from the top table, in the seventies - not even by raining cushions down on the pitch.
Anybody claiming credit for the astonishing revival under Kendal and Harvey because they stayed away or distributed toxic leaflets is living in cuckoo land.
These calls to arms just make me sad. Its a multi billion pound industry The fans don't have a leg to stand on. If they stay away it would barely cause a ripple. Attendances are nowhere near as important to the finances as they used to be.
The only option a fan has today is to take it or leave it. I personally take it because I know I would miss the club more than the club would miss me.

The fans did not have the finances to purchase the club in the mid nineties they were powerless to stop the City's most infamous carpetbagger. The majority of them knew what he was up to, but they didnt have the financial clout or friends wealthy enough to stop him

The fans didnt call for Moshiri to buy the club either. It's true they were desperate for a new man at the top, but not many knew much about him. The only thing they could do was hope and pray it worked and that the good times would follow.
The fans did not sign piss poor managers. They were not the people who paid astronomic fees to lure a steady stream of bang average players to the club. This was all out of their control.

I get mightily pissed when I see fans applauding the appointment of poor managers, I get even more upset when they support them even when its clear the game is up,.. but do I feel they are responsible ? How the fuck can they be ?
We could fill the old lady with 40,000 moaning arl bastards like me, but we wouldnt make a blind bit of difference.

when I look at those 8,000 fans who went to Mordor, my heart bleeds for them.
When I think of those who travel up and down the country on the off chance that they might just occasionally avoid the abject misery of sitting in traffic for hours reliving the pain of another defeat. I feel this club is betraying them.

When I hear the roar and see the faithful rise to the sound of sirens in a desperate attempt to drive these costly mercenary bastards to give ninety minutes of themselves. I see victims, Victims of the piss takers who have abused their love and loyalty to the club.

The perpetrators are the shady Mf's in the stand. The greedy bastards on the pitch. The slimey faceless agents who steal so much from the game. The mercenaries who have drained and ill used our club for years.

I get mightly frustrated with fellow blues sometimes, but in the cold light of day I know there isn't a single Evertonian who deserves any of this shit

Christy Ring
61 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:29:13
Great article Robert, I hope Dunc still has an imput, and say, even though Carlos is the boss. If Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson start again the fans will definitely show there true feelings.
Bill Gall
62 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:07:26
Reading a lot of comments on here they all have the same feeling, some with abusive comments others with rational comments, but all with the hint of despair.a comment listed in a dictionary as ( utter hopelessness and discouragement )
Still hurting from that defeat I looked for another word that describes Everton and came up with enigma, listed in the dictionary as ( anything that puzzles or baffles ) and them 2 words describe my feelings after that game.
Bill Gall
63 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:07:26
Reading a lot of comments on here they all have the same feeling, some with abusive comments others with rational comments, but all with the hint of despair.a comment listed in a dictionary as ( utter hopelessness and discouragement )
Still hurting from that defeat I looked for another word that describes Everton and came up with enigma, listed in the dictionary as ( anything that puzzles or baffles ) and them 2 words describe my feelings after that game.
Eddie Dunn
64 Posted 07/01/2020 at 23:43:16
I was thinking about Sigurdsson's rather half-hearted comments. On reflection, I think he is simply empty. He has always tried hard regardless of the criticism he has received.
Not everyone wants to show their deepest emotion to the whole world, and perhaps he and others are more remorsefull than we may imagine.
I hope this is the case and we see an attempt to right the wrongs on Saturday.
Returning to the talk of attendences refecting how the team is doing, I also recal those poor early eighties games when the fans abandoned the club. The attendences may well have been a little higher, as we all know that the real attendences were perhaps a tad more than the club published!
Unlike one or two others above, I think that half empty stands do send a signal to the club and the media. Sky/Bt ?PL/ Sponsors etc want the PL product to have full seats, lots of atmosphere as it's all part of the scene.
I really do think that staying away to show your displeasure is a way of getting the message acrss, even if it's just for one game.
I have seen tv matches where comments have been made at City and Arse games by pundits that attendences have been officially full but lots of empty seats have been clearly on view.
As Darren so effectively said, we fans have less power now than ever before. Except perhaps on social media. When Twitter and radio are full of moaners, the clubs do listen...hence Moyes was never appointed!
We do though need to support our club on Saturday, especially our new coach.
Let us hope that they really do care and show us that things are not quite as bleak as we thought.

Michael Spear
65 Posted 07/01/2020 at 00:05:48
John (55), many thanks for your kind condolences. Of course you're right, there are far, far more important things in life than football. I've lost my wife of 40 years but on Sunday I felt I'd also lost my club after 59 years. Somehow the heart and soul of Everton had disappeared from the pitch. But I know I'll be back sometime.
Mike Gaynes
66 Posted 08/01/2020 at 00:17:50
Michael #55, from all of us here, deepest sympathies to you and your family.

Eddie #64, great post.

Mike Corcoran
67 Posted 08/01/2020 at 00:49:13
Michael Spear, thoughts are with you fella
Mike Corcoran
68 Posted 08/01/2020 at 00:52:19
Darren Hind - they could probably let everyone in for a bluey and not feel the difference. That’s the way we should be going
Mike Corcoran
69 Posted 08/01/2020 at 00:56:22
In fact just build a 100000 capacity stadium, fiver In and rely on matchday extra income and a massive influx of kids on Merseyside and beyond buying into following the blues
Mike Corcoran
70 Posted 08/01/2020 at 00:58:35
Worked for Barca eh! Then you are truly the People’s Club.

I’ve had a bevvy mind

Mike Gaynes
71 Posted 08/01/2020 at 01:00:02
Just one, Mike?
Mike Corcoran
72 Posted 08/01/2020 at 01:09:48
Alright Mike G, our match day revenue would fall, but think of the feeling of genorosity coupled with the desire to come to our great city and the massive increase in demand. It could take back the mantle from what was the plucky reds of olden days
Bob Parrington
73 Posted 08/01/2020 at 06:45:55
What if?

What if 2 or 3 of our youngsters are included in the squad for the Brighton game?

Would it be acceptable to treat them with either silence or howls of derision along with those who deserve such contempt. Probably not

Eddie Dunn
74 Posted 08/01/2020 at 14:52:30
Michael Spear- so sorry to hear your news. Best wishes for happier times ahead.
Jay Tee
75 Posted 08/01/2020 at 21:34:06
I don't go with booing at the start of a game. We need them to play and put a shift in after all. Silence or chanting show us you care or what your'e made off would be ok. However, if they play the same team and it's like last Sunday those players should immediately resign. They do not deserve any pay offs.
Stephen Waller
76 Posted 09/01/2020 at 22:02:15
Hi Jim #56

You sound as disturbed as me. I was thinking the same. If only.

Paul Birmingham
77 Posted 09/01/2020 at 22:16:39
Michael@55, deepest condolences at this terrible time, our prayers are with you.
Steve Ferns
78 Posted 09/01/2020 at 22:29:51
Michael, sorry I missed you post. Please accept my condolences and I hope you have the support of good friends and family. I would hope the blues can bring you some cheer, but little chance of that at present.
Sean Kelly
79 Posted 09/01/2020 at 22:36:45
Michael @55. Deepest sympathies lad the prayers of the ToffeeWeb family are with you.
Sean Kelly
80 Posted 09/01/2020 at 22:43:22
Darren @ 60 Spot on lad. If only the passion of ToffeeWebbers could be matched by those fraudsters on the pitch and in the boardroom. Cretins the lot of them. Shame on them that have turned on Dunc for showing passion. He might not be the sharpest tool in the box but when it comes to passion for this club he is one of us.
A win against Brighton is a must for us but its fucking Brighton for Gods sake folks. This is Everton and we shouldnt be getting excited about beating them.
FFS raise the bar Carlo and get rid of the rubbish because its beginning to stink around Everton.

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