Toffees inch closer to safety with tepid draw at Watford

Everton didn't allow a disappointingly flat display to turn into disaster but this goalless draw did reek of an opportunity missed

Lyndon Lloyd 11/05/2022 54comments  |  Jump to last
Watford 0 - 0 Everton

From the highs of Sunday’s win at Leicester, Everton fell a little flat in what was, on paper, the more routine fixture of the two. Given that Leeds went down to a 3-0 defeat at Elland Road this evening, a win would have practically secured Premier League football for another season but the Blues inched closer to salvation with this rather pedestrian display and the point it earned.

Watford were on a club-record 11-match losing run at home and hadn’t kept a clean sheet at Vicarage Road all season so the script was there for Everton to oblige. Importantly, the Toffees didn’t allow disappointment to turn into disaster… not that that was really ever likely against a Hornets side missing a host of first-teamers and with nothing to play for but pride, having had their demotion back to the Championship confirmed on Sunday.

This did reek of an opportunity missed, however, and Frank Lampard’s decision to not only persist with some tired-looking players, chief among them Anthony Gordon and Demarai Gray, but also wait until the 77th minute to make the first of only two changes on the day was a curious one.

You got the sense that a Dele Alli or even André Gomes might have fancied a chance to make an impact on the season run-in, but neither got the nod in the second half and though Dominic Calvert-Lewin came on for a cameo and won a few headers, everything rather fizzled out along with the boisterous renditions of Spirit of the Blues from the packed away section.

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Perhaps not surprisingly, with onus on them to attack and create, Everton found themselves in the familiar territory of the last couple of seasons where they lacked the creativity and guile to open up a side that had few designs on actually winning the game. Add in more than a touch of anxiety at not wanting to lose and you had the ingredients for the display that came from the Toffees’ players.

This was a far less open game than the one at the King Power Stadium on Sunday and though the Blues had far more possession, they had fewer chances. It didn’t help that the wing-back system was retained deep into the second half so that Calvert-Lewin’s introduction made little difference with so little service.

Lacking tempo and urgency, Lampard’s side started a little cagily but when they did get forward in the early stages, they found Watford’s back line in the way. Gordon’s excellent run led to an attempted cross that was blocked behind and from the resulting corner, Richarlison’s shot was charged down amid a melée of bodies.

Richarlison then sent Alex Iwobi into space down the channel but the Nigerian international elected not to shoot and his cross deflected behind for a corner before Gordon despatched a half-hearted volley high over the crossbar and Abdoulaye Doucouré had the only effort on target of the half when he looped a header that Foster comfortably caught.

Watford, who were without an almost a team’s worth of senior players, lacked conviction themselves and were reduced to pot-shots from distance from Samuel Kalu and Dan Gosling which were skied into the stand behind the goal. Meanwhile, Pickford’s only real involvement was to punch clear a dangerous free-kick from the right in the 17th minute and play sweeper-keeper early in the second half to snuff out a rare attempted breakaway by the Hornets.

Everton came closest to scoring the one goal they needed to take themselves within touching distance of safety in the 53rd and 62nd minutes. First, Foster pawed Richarlison’s deflected effort wide with an impressive save; then, after Michael Keane’s shot off a corner was blocked behind, Gray played a one-two with Iwobi but dragged his shot across the face of goal and past the far post.

Lampard belatedly looked to change things with 13 minutes left when the threw on Calvert-Lewin in place of Gray and, later, Allan for Fabian Delph but apart from some fairly tame shots from Gordon, Doucouré and Vitalii Mykolenko, the Blues didn’t make much of a fist of a late push for a winner.

It has been an emotionally-charged 11 days, with two key wins over Chelsea and Leicester hauling Everton out of the bottom three so a less-than fiery performance was, perhaps, understandable but there was a smattering of complacency about the Toffees as well.

That won’t do against Brentford this Sunday, particularly if Leeds pick up anything at home to Brighton in the earlier kick-off so it will be incumbent on the manager to refocus the minds and ensure that they see the job through to its full conclusion.

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Geoff Lambert
1 Posted 12/05/2022 at 01:17:08
So if Leeds loose on Sunday before we play we only need a draw to be safe, But on the other hand if Leeds win and we get beat they go above us. Its still a bit scary at the moment. COYMB lets beat Brentford and let the others worry about us.
Phillip Warrington
2 Posted 12/05/2022 at 02:51:26
From what I see of the table, we are still not safe and missed a real opportunity.
Paul Kernot
3 Posted 12/05/2022 at 03:39:46
That was hard to watch. I suppose the boys could be forgiven for being jaded as Lyndon puts it and yes, it was a tired effort against a team who are awful. 3 points would have really made a difference given Leeds lost and Burnley are likely to lose tomorrow too. Still. we edge closer to safety.
Geoff Williams
4 Posted 12/05/2022 at 07:31:30
I fear that those two dropped points could cost us relegation. An insipid performance against a scratch team was disappointing. I wish Lampard was more proactive with his use of substitutes.
Bill Fairfield
5 Posted 12/05/2022 at 07:40:23
Just never had the energy to take this game by the scruff of the neck. Watford were there for the taking.

Got to get it done against Brentford now. COYB.

Jerome Shields
6 Posted 12/05/2022 at 07:50:10
I didn't see the game, I was trying to get off a 1, 000-m high mountain. Everton always struggle against a lower placed side who set up shop. Combine this with the successful defensive formation of recent games, there was not going to be the space in the final third.

Rondon rather than Calvert-Lewin to batter them with would have been a better sub and good old fashion crosses would have been the tactic to unsettle them.

Hopefully this is the expected downer after two resets we normally get. The next game being the one to start of the sequence of another two results.

Neil Cremin
7 Posted 12/05/2022 at 08:12:12
Looking at games left and the description of us being tired is worrying.

Watford had a depleted team, hadn't kept a clean sheet all season, and a win would have practically guaranteed survival, it was criminal that we didn't show the same commitment that we showed at Leicester and against Chelsea.

Brentford, with Erickson dictating the game in the middle of the park, will be a handful, so will Palace. We have forgotten that we are now part of these tier 2 and tier 3 teams where, when we see the name, we start counting the points. That's all in the past.

We are still in a dogfight. It's not over till we are mathematically safe. There has been plenty of final-day drama in the past, let's hope we don't have to endure that this year.

Mal van Schaick
8 Posted 12/05/2022 at 08:40:45
#1. I’ve been trying to work out a scenario. Thanks.

I watched the game, we looked tired. Gray and Gordon look out on their feet after a run of tough games that we needed something from. Bringing Allan on as sub, doesn’t work, he couldn’t get into the game and looked lost.

Do we stick with the same starting eleven or change it? That’s the conundrum Lampard has. My gut says he will start against Brentford with the same eleven as against Watford, ask for a hard 60 minutes from the tired players, then, change it.

Toney and Ericsson are their danger men, we need to be on our game for this one. A win for us and a Leeds loss, would do it for me.

Dave Lynch
9 Posted 12/05/2022 at 08:58:44
I said on the live forum that this game had Everton written all over it.

Puts us in a precarious position when a win would have all but guaranteed safety.

Danny O’Neill
10 Posted 12/05/2022 at 09:10:30
I did think Frank waited too long to change it, but at the same time I didn't see what could change it. Let's face it, if Calvert-Lewin if firing on all cylinders mentally or physically, he's starting. I didn't see anything we had on the bench that could change it.

It highlights the limitations of the squad. We need better players. I bored everyone with that during Ancelotti's reign. Doesn't matter who the manager is within reason. We need better players.

Howard Kendall is Everton's most successful Manager. When he had an inept squad, he almost took us down. Now, as always, he would have been the fall guy for mismanagement above, but it comes down to what you do on the pitch first and foremost. Look at Manchester United. Ferguson built the team before they rebuilt Old Trafford.

We can argue this over the summer, but we need better players and a more coherent strategy. Sorry to be repetitive of myself over the past few years.

But right now, we need to physically, emotionally and whatever way get these players we have across the finishing line. They are showing the desire despite the failings in ability and mentality. Let's take them there with us, because I am not accepting that we are going down.

If we do, I'll be there to see us back up, but right now, we control our destiny and that is in the top flight of English football.

Jerome Shields
11 Posted 12/05/2022 at 09:21:01
Brentford is going to be a difficult game. Need to aleast get a draw out of it. Naturally having found a system that has worked against Chelsea and Leciester Frank is reluctant to change players. Bringing a Calvert Lewin on was never going to work to get a winning goal. I fresher midfield would have been better and a Rondon lead attack against Watford may have yielded a better result. But there is a lurking uncertaining about players performance at Everton, which makes this a difficult decision for the Manager and if a formation works don', t tamper with it.

I think the Relegaton dogfight will go to the wire and a few favourable results from Leeds and Burnley will be needed to get Everton over the line.

Paul Kernot
12 Posted 12/05/2022 at 09:51:58
Danny. Too late now of course but on further reflection, re your question as to who he could have brought on, I can't help wondering whether that was the perfect game to introduce Dele Ali after 65 minutes. Less so v Brentford & Palace for him I think but we really needed to win that one and I wonder if he could have opened them up?
Martin Reppion
13 Posted 12/05/2022 at 09:53:52
I don't really get the negativity on here.
If we'd been offered 4 points over the 2 away games before we went to Leicester we'd have taken it.

We are now in a situation where if we better Leeds' performance at the weekend we are safe. If we equal it we need a draw v Palace on Thursday.
If the 12th man fails to inspire and we lose ground, we still have a game in hand which could take us back above Leeds before we go to Arsenal.

Living in West Yorkshire I know a lot of Leeds supporters. They are convinced they will be playing in the lower league next year. You think we have problems. Their response to adversity has been to try to kick their way back and they now find themselves short of players due to suspension and injuries.
Even if Leeds win at the weekend we need 4 points from 3 games and 2 are at home.

Cheer up guys.

The future is Blue

Brian Harrison
14 Posted 12/05/2022 at 10:02:21
I think if we had been told a few weeks back when we trailed Leeds and Burnley by 2 points, that with 2 home games coming up we would be 2 points ahead of both and a game in hand on Leeds we would have taken that with open arms.

I think we have to be realistic this is a very poor Everton team, that will need major surgery in the summer whatever league we are in. I think Lampard was between a rock and a hard place yesterday, did he change a side that had beaten Chelsea and Leicester and knew he would come in for some almighty stick if he did and it went wrong. I have been saying for over 12 months this side lacks goal scorers and that was again evident last night. We also don't create a lot of chances and a little surprised that Lampard hasn't had a bigger impact in that aspect of our game.
Anthony Gordon is improving which is great to see, but its no use being able to go past people like he does without either picking out a pass in the opponents box or taking the opportunity to score. The exact same argument is also true of Demarai Gray who looks a shadow of the player he was earlier in the season.

I could understand playing Iwobi at wing back against Chelsea and Leicester, but did we really need a wing back against a very poor Watford team. Going back to my point about lack of goal scorers despite not playing for weeks Andros Townsend is still 2nd in our list of goal scorers this season. We get practically nothing from any of our midfield players as far as goals and they arent that great in creating much, that includes Delph, Allan, Doucoure, Gomes or Davies when fit. So basically if Richarlison doesn't score we really struggle for goals.

Obviously we are stuck with this group for the remaining games and we will need to find a better system to help create and score goals in the remaining games. I am not a big fan of DCL but seeing Rondon couldn't last for 90 minutes he is the only option to play down the middle which lets Richarlison return to his most effective position which is wide left. Again the back 4 played well last night but will face sterner tests in the next few games. I think all the players have put a shift in over the last few games and some seem to be running low on energy. I am far more positive about us staying up than I was a few weeks back.

Finally yet another magnificent display from the supporters who were at Watford, if it was just down to the effort of these guys we would be nowhere near the relegation battle. But I think if we had just been a little bit braver last night their magnificent support may have been rewarded with a win.

Bill Rodgers
15 Posted 12/05/2022 at 10:09:10
The trouble is that this team, or any team put out from this squad, will only sweat blood when they are on the edge of the abyss.

Last night, you could see that they thought they are safe. Maybe they are and maybe a close escape will transform the club. But without a total clear out at Finch Farm, we will be here again.

Jerome Shields
16 Posted 12/05/2022 at 10:37:58
Martin #13

The negativity is due to a lack of confidence is the Everton Squad. There is always the possibility of a apathetic performance which would be dangerous in a relegation dog fight.

Tim Welsh
17 Posted 12/05/2022 at 10:46:06
Against Brentford we just have to want it more then they do.
Last night's result has given Sunday's game even greater significance. We - the crowd, the players and everyone connected with the club- have to intimidate Brentford out of the stadium, so that all they will want is to get back on their coach. It has to be more intense than any game that we have played in recent memory.
And come on. We slaughtered them in the cup. That has got to give us some psychological edge.
Coleman's comments last night did not indicate any complacency. The last thing we should do is patronise Brentford and provide them with their team-talk.
Every game becomes our biggest ever until we are safe.
Mal van Schaick
18 Posted 12/05/2022 at 10:57:39
I think that we have had to play with different tactics and a different mindset because of the threat of relegation. If we would of been safe four games ago, perhaps we would of deployed different tactics and different players.

As for the future, I would keep, Pickford, Richarlison, Keane, Mykolenko, Iwobi, Godfrey, Gordon, Mina and Gray. The rest can go, and Lampard can build his team for next season, in the Premier League of course?

Jason Broome
19 Posted 12/05/2022 at 10:59:11
Beat Brentford and we stay up IMHO. Leeds and Burnley look tired and jaded. I'm not worried about us anymore.
Gary Jones
20 Posted 12/05/2022 at 11:18:21
Brian @ 14 - fantastic post. Spot on.

I too think we’ve got to take a punt on DCL starting in place of one of Gray/Gordon at the weekend, and maybe 1-2 other changes too for a bit of freshness (even tho it’s still ‘rock and hard place’ as you said!)

Assuming they are fit maybe:

Coleman Keane Holgate Mykolenko
Allan Iwobi Delph
Gordon DCL Richie

Will need Gordon and Richie to put in another monster shift, but it’s now or never really so get the points then get a rest.

Christopher Timmins
21 Posted 12/05/2022 at 11:26:57
Given the limitations of our squad it's hard to see Frank changing much over the final 3 games. Maybe if Godfrey or Mina are fit he may decide to use them but otherwise what you see is what you get.

Hopefully the 12th man will do the trick on Sunday!

It's not easy being a blue and I for one will be glad of the rest when the season concludes.

Robert Tressell
22 Posted 12/05/2022 at 11:30:56
A draw is a welcome point. I'd be happy with many more tepid draws away from home.

Our number of wins is not much different to any club below 8th. The thing that's really killed us is losing games we should have at least drawn.

And we've long struggled to break down teams who don't come at us - basically because we're not very good and it's easier to score on the break against a more ambitious team.

So last night was OK. Leeds lost, got another player sent off, another injured and took their goal difference towards the -40 mark.

Derek Taylor
23 Posted 12/05/2022 at 11:52:56
How many of this rather pathetic team could see us do better next season - always provided they can avoid the drop.

In my view, if more than a half-dozen re-appear we shall do no better whomsoever is managing them !

Chris Jones (Burton on Trent)
24 Posted 12/05/2022 at 11:58:00
Leeds are currently 18th, 2 points behind us, with a shocking goal difference and with just two games left. Let's consider one possible scenario, in which they overtake us and survive (this of course with no consideration as to how Burnley's last three games go).

Assuming we get NO points from our three remaining games, they need one win to overtake us. Their two remaining games are home to Brighton then away at Brentford. To those Blues worried about the Bees when they visit Goodison on Sunday, just how much more worrying are they to Leeds as a proposition on their home patch in West London? They have had the single most stellar season in their history, and will want to celebrate with their home fans by delivering a win over Leeds.

I think Leeds will at best scrape a home win over Brighton, meaning we require only one point from three games; and I fancy that (and likely more) will be coming our way on Sunday. If Brentford do provide an upset in Liverpool, then how much more likely is it that they will give Leeds a slapping when they play them in West London!

Then there's Burnley. Their three remaining games are Away to Spurs. Away to Villa (Note: a team that beat them at Turf Moor 1-3 in their most recent outing), and then home to Newcastle. At best, I see them getting 3 points on the season's final day, with their goal difference taking a battering in the meantime, perhaps as much as 4 or 5 goals worse off than now.

So, in that scenario, I see us needing at most 2 points.

We're now unbeaten in the last three, having conceded just once. Burnley have won two and lost one, four goals for, and four against. Leeds, who have admittedly had perhaps the harder games, have lost all three with a goals for of one, and nine against. So. we're perhaps the form team too.

I think Leeds will go down, and we have an outside chance of overhauling Southampton whose goal difference – on the back of a 0-3 defeat away at Brentford (watch-out, Leeds) – is worse than ours, and they have to face Liverpool at St Mary's and Leicester away at the King Power. Nul points for Soton, I fancy!

COYBB, play as you can and let us sleep easy in our beds come Sunday!

Mick Roberts
25 Posted 12/05/2022 at 11:59:45
This is by no means the worst Everton team I have seen regarding skills but by far the worst regarding commitment and effort throughout the season.
James Marshall
26 Posted 12/05/2022 at 12:00:12
We'll be fine now - we'll win at least one of our last 3 games and that means Leeds need to win both of theirs which is never going to happen. Their squad is in tatters with injuries and suspension to James and Ayling, plus Raphinia et al all injured. Leeds goose is cooked.

We'll beat Brentford and/or Palace and be safe before the final game against Arsenal which is perfect. In fact I see Leeds losing to Brighton, us beating Brentford and it's game over with 2 games so spare. Their goal difference is effectively an extra point to us.

Burnley will lose to Spurs and probably Villa so they're not a threat now either.

We got through our so called 'tough' games and we're the form team of the 3.

I think we'll win both home games.

Jimmy Hogan
27 Posted 12/05/2022 at 13:13:54
I was chatting to some Watford fans on the way home and they told me Watford had lost the last 11 home games, so it does feel like an opportunity wasted. They also said that our away support was the best they had ever seen. Sadly, not enough to get us over the line with a win.
Michael Barrett
28 Posted 12/05/2022 at 14:41:47
We are truly a shocking team the last few years, with all that money spent as well. Only the fact that Leeds have collapsed will we stay up.

Not that long ago, we used to compete with our neighbours twice a year. Nowadays, they can play kids against us and still smack our arse.

Bill Hawker
29 Posted 12/05/2022 at 16:52:26
No other way to spin that performance than two points lost. Let's hope there's a response when the Goodison faithful show up to cheer them on in the last two home matches.
David Currie
30 Posted 12/05/2022 at 16:58:48
Jason 19,

Burnley have 9pts from 12 in their last 4 games, they have had a week off to prepare for Spurs who only have 2 days rest. They will believe that this is a good chance to get a result.

Chris 24,

I never think like that and always think the opposite, my mind Leeds and Burnley to finish on 40 pts, we need 4 more pts and we stay up on goal difference.

Christopher Nicholls
31 Posted 12/05/2022 at 17:20:19
Needs to refresh the team. Although Gordon has been fantastic this season, we should be managing the emotional stress on him. I hope we can start Calvert-Lewin for the next 2 games and rotate some of the other attacking players.

I would have been tempted to take the last 20 with both Calvert-Lewin and Dele last night. Just needed a moment of quality.

Allan was a waste of a sub.

Ray Smith
32 Posted 12/05/2022 at 17:50:42
Guys it is squeaky bum time.

However, stop the negativity.

Leeds are imploding like headless chickens.
I fancy Brighton to draw on Sunday, and Brentford to beat Leeds at home. Therefore 1pt to Leeds.

However, with that scenario a win/draw from our next 3 games will be more than enough to stay up.

If Spurs win tonight, Burnley will get roasted on Sunday, if Spurs lose tonight, they could get something!, and then home to Newcastle, draw at best 1pt. Possibly 2pts. Which puts Leeds on the bottom end of the slippery slope.

Although it is 1 from 3 mathematically, it’s Burnley or Leeds for me.

Undoubtedly the 12th man faithful will do their part before and during the match on Sunday.

Have faith and be positive!!!

Si Cooper
33 Posted 12/05/2022 at 17:55:47
I think some people are missing the point on the disappointment over last night's result.

It doesn't matter what we would have been happy with 3 games ago, that isn't how sport works. As things had turned out, we had a very good opportunity to really ramp up the pressure on Leeds, who are crumbling, but not dead yet.

I wouldn't have chosen a different starting XI but you would have hoped we had some real options to throw on for a charge in the last 30 minutes.

The 1 point gained could still be significant, but I think the extra benefit of 3 points at this stage of the season made it worth going all out for the win. If that was us ‘going all out' then perhaps the players have run out of steam which doesn't bode well for picking up points in the last 3 games even with home advantage and the backing of the fans. Even if they have reserves of strength and energy left, I think it is quite insulting to both Brentford and Crystal Palace to dismiss them as capable of beating us.

As things stand, Leeds and Burnley know they can still put huge pressure on us and will presumably be throwing everything into this weekend's fixtures.

I'm not predicting anything, but I'd be much happier on 38 points right now.

Will Mabon
34 Posted 12/05/2022 at 18:10:31
Exactly as I see it, Si. Your own fate, in your own hands. The rest if it works out is a bonus but not to be relied upon.

We did not want to be cavalier last night, but we did want to be much more positive and driven than we were. I also feel a certain vital momentum was lost too.

Danny O’Neill
35 Posted 12/05/2022 at 18:14:03
Too many algorithms.

Just beat Brentford and Palace.

Si Cooper
36 Posted 12/05/2022 at 18:28:26
“Our number of wins is not much different to any club below 8th. The thing that's really killed us is losing games we should have at least drawn.

And we've long struggled to break down teams who don't come at us.”

Sorry, Robert, but that reads as a non sequitur to me, and for me, the prevalence of losses below 8th shows the small margins between the teams in that third tier that mean any of the three results are of similar likelihood when they meet.

I agree that we seem to have a particular problem when we get the opportunity to dictate the tempo in games but can you quantify how many games we lost against teams that don't come at us? How many of those losses would have been changed into draws by 1 goal? That is what it would take to change any of our 6 draws into wins.

There is also a more significant points advantage of wins versus draws. 12 points if we improve those 6 draws (including last night) by one more goal in our favour whereas we'd need to do possibly more in 12 of our losses to get the same benefit.

Paul Birmingham
37 Posted 12/05/2022 at 18:45:00
This season and the last few months especially has been an emotional nightmare in view of all matters Everton FC, on the park and in the boardroom, was unstable.

The constant light of hope, BMD, touch wood is taking shape, and will in time be a magnificent stadium befitting of the best football club in the world.

A month ago, many had resigned to the fate of Everton, going down, but the spirit of the Evertonians, guts, passion, desire and fervour to see their club succeed, has been the decisive factor in turning the form around.

So last night, bloody frustrating, a point is a point, and hopefully by Sunday night, Everton will be secure, if Burnley and Leeds loose and Everton win.


John Hood
38 Posted 12/05/2022 at 19:00:05
Bees fan here Interested to read your comments re Sunday.

I think a lot depends on how motivated Brentford are.Obviously they will not consciously be taking it easy but they have nothing to play for really.It has been a fanastic season for us and good to go into the last few matches with no worries.

The idea that the likes of Pontus Jansson, Ivan Toney, Christian Eriksen etc will be intimidated by the atmosphere is fanciful. They will love it.

Every Bees fan wants us to relegate Leeds on the last day, preferably with a dodgy last minute penalty, so you don't have to worry about Leeds being given a free pass.

Incidentally,this is by no means the club's best ever season... in the late 1930s they were regulars in the old Div 1 top 6.

I think Everton will survive in the end...the more interesting debate is to how they got into the current mess. It's been several years in the making. Perhaps they could learn something about player recruitment from Brentford.. the team that will appear on Sunday cost c.£40 million in all, with Ajer being the most expensive (c£12 million).

Let's hope that Toffees' fans do not have to go through this again. I first saw them at Fulham c1961 when they won 3-2 and a club with this wonderful tradition and history should never be faced with such doom and gloom.

Look forward to playing you again next season!
Duncan McDine
39 Posted 12/05/2022 at 19:06:49
John Hood - it’s rare to get fans from the oppo on here, but I always like to hear reasoned thoughts from footy fans, especially how Everton are perceived from the outside. Only thing I’d say is “watch out for the 3 S’s (not shit shower shave). Second Season Syndrome is a very real thing!
Will Mabon
40 Posted 12/05/2022 at 19:09:14
John Hood, altogether too pleasant and friendly. You'll have us not wanting to beat you on Sunday :)
Dale Self
41 Posted 12/05/2022 at 19:12:01
John 38, much respect for the Bees and Thomas Frank in particular. I had some doubts but his signature style suits the club well. I prefer him to Graham Potter actually. Definitely don't look like they'll do a Blades fade.

As for us, thanks for the consideration and consider yourself one of the club, yours will likely be up for a while and that is a good thing. It will be ugly since we will be going for a point but, if the Bees could go forward a bit much and give us a decent break or two, that would keep our more concerned segment of support from hurling insults of incompetence. Keep it going, man.

Danny O’Neill
42 Posted 12/05/2022 at 19:32:23
John, great to hear from you. I was at Brentford earlier this season and it is great what your club has done both in terms of the new stadium and achievement on the football pitch.

I coached for many years down here in West London for Hayes and then Hayes & Yeading and saw many of the Brentford youth teams. Sad that it has disappeared as I understand??

You caught a good one with your current manager and his connections to Denmark. Absolute steal. I hope you hold on to him. I suggested him when I was saying Hail Mary's when the Benitez rumours surfaced in the summer.

The way Brentford has built their club is a fine example. Yes, they invested and that cost money, but as Everton has shown, simply throwing money at it recklessly isn't the answer.

Well done Brentford, but give us the points at the weekend please!!

John McFarlane Snr
43 Posted 12/05/2022 at 19:52:19
Hi John [38],

I find it refreshing that you have posted a complimentary tribute to Everton. I could never understand how a sport that used to brings fans together could be the cause of hatred and violence.

I first experienced it in the late 60s when Manchester United fans visited Goodison Park (no crowd segregation in those days). Everton won 3-0 and when the third goal went in we were bombarded by coins. It was the beginning of a long period of football violence, that has not yet been eradicated.

I can remember when we could go to away games, share a drink with home supporters, and walk to the ground saying "May the best team win". Here in Liverpool, fans of both clubs could share a drink with each other, and stand side by side in the ground.

I'm afraid that friendly banter has now become hatred, and that's why I congratulate you for bringing a degree of sportsmanship to this site.

Brent Stephens
44 Posted 12/05/2022 at 20:09:33
John #38. Top post. Respect. You’ll understand when I say that I wish your side some but not all of the best this weekend! Good on yer, mate.
Tony Abrahams
45 Posted 12/05/2022 at 20:26:02
Nice post that, John @38.

When you look at the cost of Brentford's squad and the way they were beginning to really fall like a stone, then what Duncan says @39 is something that will probably only be rectified properly, with a few good signings for next season, which is also something we need to do ourselves really.

I thought Brentford were on their way back down, and then suddenly they introduced real quality in Ericksen, haven't looked back, and definitely deserve to be playing premier league football again next season, so I just hope we can join you, mate!

Dave Abrahams
46 Posted 12/05/2022 at 21:16:58
John (38), nice to read your friendly post, I’ve a feeling you’ve been on ToffeeWeb previously, I think you mentioned that Everton win at Fulham at the time, are you old enough to remember the games Everton and Brentford played against each other in the early 1950’s? We also played Brentford in the old first div. after the war although I never saw those games myself.
Mark McDonald
47 Posted 13/05/2022 at 03:33:17
We can still catch Southampton providing we win our next 2 home games as I cannot see them beating the RS and Leicester.

Beating Arsenal would be a bonus and could move us further up the table.

Just thinking of the positives. COYB

Tony Graham
48 Posted 13/05/2022 at 09:09:29
The so called footballers we have can't motivate themselves... it,s down to our amazing fans to win it for em...
Trevor Powell
49 Posted 13/05/2022 at 12:11:29
The ideal scenario for the upcoming weekend is for us to get a better result than Thugs United as their goal difference is even more woeful than ours. They seem to have a manager who thinks that reading Kipling et al will somehow influence his players!

He had a small "new boss" bounce but that has really disappeared and keeping eleven men on the field seems too much for them. I can not see Brighton losing there as this is The Tykes' last chance to give themselves some hope.

Those of us who were subjected to some of the most violent and cynical play seen at Goodison in the sixties will have no regrets to see their current bunch of fans, thugs and divers back where they have belonged for most of their history. I hope Revie is spinning uncontrollably in his grave or is his spirit offering back-handers to the Brighton team.

Sound bitter? Yes! After the 1964 game when the ref took both teams off the pitch, my Dad would not let me go for quite a time afterwards.

Pete Clarke
50 Posted 13/05/2022 at 13:52:20
Nice post, John.

My mate's mam lived in Chiswick, very close to the Thames, and there's a couple of lovely bars we used to drink in many years ago. John Thaw was a regular drInker in one of them on a Sunday. My mate's sister also lived in those apartment blocks right next to Brentford's ground so I know the area well and had some great nights in West London.

It's been a breath of fresh air this season to have Brentford and Brighton doing really well and I look forward to playing you next season when you try to avenge this weekend's loss to Everton. 😁

Hopefully Frank makes a couple of changes for the Brentford game to freshen things up a bit because it was mental fatigue that cost us against Watford, I think. I'm not a big fan of his but I think Calvert-Lewin has to start now to try and hold the ball up. Let Richarlison get back to his normal game of cutting in from the wing.

Allan may also be the player who drives us forward that bit more too and Doucouré can hopefully do something useful and mop up given that he has no great strength doing much else.

How true is that about our midfielders not scoring goals. Shocking really and this should be high on Frank's list of future players.

I'm hopeful the Goodison faithful can drive us to victory with a comfortable 2-0 win. COYB

Tony Everan
51 Posted 13/05/2022 at 14:05:25
John, thanks for posting, Having watched Eriksen pulling the strings recently, particularly that brilliant performance away at Chelsea, Everton will not be taking the threat lightly. The players you mention will certainly not be overawed.

Everton and our crowd will have to bring it all to the table to get a result, it won't be easy. I think we will have a couple of changes for the game but the emphasis will still be on keeping it tight and winning by the odd goal. Can we get results playing any other way?

We need a win and a draw in these next two games, as Arsenal will need a win on the last day for Champions League qualification. To get a result there in those circumstances will be very difficult. Sunday's match is a massive one for the club.

Nick White
52 Posted 13/05/2022 at 14:57:11
Great post, John! Glad Brentford will be in the premier league next season and hope we will confirm our place for next season on Sunday!

It would be good to get a regular column going with opposition fans posting before each game.

John Hood
53 Posted 13/05/2022 at 19:14:07
Thanks for all the comments,which I was not expecting.
Could I reply to a few points?
Danny,42:Yes BFC scrapped their Academy about 5 years ago.This was because it got too successful and started beating much bigger clubs and getting boys in national teams like England.At this point,some of the best boys suddenly disappeared and went to these same "big " clubs.Unkind people even made the extraordinary suggestion that underhand inducements might have been a factor!It was costing £2 million for no return,so the decision was made to scrap it and start the Brentford B team,aimed at recruiting unnoticed players in the 17-19 age group.This has been an outstanding success.
Incidentally,Thomas Frank is Head Coach,not Manager.Bees no longer have a Manager.
John,43:Yes I remember when hooliganism started.Younger fans probably do not realise how close it came to destroying the game in the 70s and 80s;
Tony,45:Even when they had their inevitable slump,I don't think the number crunchers at BFC were ever worried by the threat of relegation.They really know their stuff and were working on the premise that Bees would finish 14th/15th;
Dave,46:I'm too young to remember the 50s;first Bees match Sept 1961;50 + years of enjoyable mediocrity before the amazing last 6 or 7 seasons which has been almost unbelievable for a cynical old git;
Pete,50:Bees line up will tell you what you need to know.If the front 3 is Toney,Mbeumo and Wissa,it's 433 and a very open game;If Wissa drops to the bench,it's 532,but Bees will still attack.Incidentally,Eriksen is a wonderful player and story and deservedly gets the plaudits but many Bees fans would agree that the man who makes it all tick is Christian Norgaard.
Anyway,looking forward to a momentous encounter.I think Everton should win as they have all to play for.
See you next season!
Will Mabon
54 Posted 13/05/2022 at 19:26:14
John, interesting words regarding the Brentford academy. Some details speculative as they usually are, but nothing surprises me today. Seems like a lot of quality work and progress may have gone to waste; few clubs do so well with their academies, whether in producing footballers or earning usable revenue.

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