Kean's proposed return to Juventus gathers pace

Doesn't want to be here. Get the best deal you can and get shut!

No more loan deals. If you want him, you pay for him.

Not only does he not want to be here, the footballing gods don't want him here either. Against Huddersfield, a dodgy offside decision negates his "goal" then the daft plum manages to get sent off!!

Never going to happen for him here...

Ciao, Moise. It was a loveless affair from the beginning.

Could suit us to do a swap deal with Weston McKennie. A much better prospect than Maupay IMO.

Could have got McKennie from Schalke in a deal for Kenny. Again, another missed opportunity.

Why is Branthwaite apparently transfer listed??? Utter disgrace.

Make Juventus pay £15M now plus McKennie. Oor Ask PSG for Gueye plus £15M for Kean – they may go for it.

Jay (5) - I would jump at that deal.

Sadly, I agree with Barry - there is a bit of a cursed air about Kean's Everton tenure at this point. What hope there was of him igniting something here was likely dashed by that offsides and red card combo.

Juventus aren't going to cough up and buy him. They'll hold out and hold out for a loan knowing we want rid.

Personally, I'd keep him rather than loan him to them. Send a message that we're not a walkover any more.

Ian (6) - What makes you say that? Do you know that was ever an option or are you just retro-engineering history to make our club seem even worse than they actually are? If so, why do that? There are enough actual mis-steps to outline - why invent new ones?

And Jack (7), I suspect Branthwaite has been made available to go out on loan again, and that, if he has been mentioned in respect of players that Benitez is not looking to use this season, then that might be why. Either way, there is not much out there I have seen suggesting he has been specifically made available for permanent transfer.

You can just see another loan happening. As others have said, if it's not for the fee we want and need, then he stays. Hope we actually stick to our guns.

The problem is the money men.

Kean came to us for £25M on a 5-year deal at a £2.8M a year salary. So to leave him languishing in the U23s (he qualifies) will cost the club almost £8M in the next 12 months' accounts. Sending him out on loan will offset some of that fee.

Plus, if he is worth £35M according to Transfermarkt, then how much will that drop if he doesn't play for a year, or at least until January? Add that drop to the £8M.

So, much as I would (as a Blue) want him to just waste away as a lesson, I think (as an accountant) we should take a loan if we can get one.

Not easy being a senior executive at Everton – damned if you do, damned if you don't!

Phil @12

Well explained, a right Catch-22 situation really unless a team wants to buy Kean.

Is there a team out there who really wants him enough?

The problem here is that Everton don't hold any of the cards except for a joker.

Best thing is another loan and hope he has a good season and then hopefully sell at close to what we paid. I wouldn't count his season at PSG as a success.

The only way Kean goes to Juventus is if Ronaldo leaves. That transfer would appease a lot of the Juventus fans as the fans there love him.

I think this could be the busiest last 2 days to a transfer window ever if Mbappé moves, which I'd be surprised if he doesn't (£145M now or free in 12 months) that will start a rollercoaster of activity. There will be a few big-money moves but I'm expecting a lot of loans with options to buy as Covid-19 has had a huge financial impact.

I'm expecting James to leave, obviously he's not in the manager's plans but he does want to play in the World Cup for his country. I think that will give him the push to go to another club on reduced wages.

The big one from our club's point of view is do PSG want Richarlison?? If they do, then we have to play hardball and get as much money in as possible. I'm hoping we've got feelers out about a few players as this could all happen on the final day...

Fair enough, Phil, I've been one to mouth 'teach em a lesson' but not at that price, you are right. I haven't done the work to know what the moves are here but we may have a drawn-out misery with the reduced TV revenues which are backing everything up.

I have thought for some time that we should cut our losses here but, after the Huddersfield game, I don't know.

Yeah, he was a fool for getting himself sent off but, if you didn't see a player in there, you weren't looking properly.

No cut-priced deals please.

For me, keeping him is essential. He is going to get better and I just have a gut feeling about this. People who know a player, see a player in him. He just might fluke a hat trick at Goodison Park, get the adulation he needs and become a DCL type asset.
Or he might be part of a last week exodus that sees us hanging on till Bramley Moore, treading water.

I like him. As Darren says, there is a player there and if only he wanted to live in the North-West and play for us, he could be one hell of a player for us.

It's no good keeping him otherwise; so, if we can't sell, let's take a decent loan fee and sub his wages out to someone else.

Keep him.

He will only want to stay if he is one of the first names on the teamsheet.

If we loan him out again, l am going to punch myself in the face.

If we buy Maupay, l will pull out my front 2 teeth and ask for them back at Xmas.

If Rafa is ever our manager... oh shit.

‘Sky Sports listed Holgate as surplus to requirements'.

That'll be good for morale, assuming he doesn't go and will be expected to regularly deputise for Mina and others, especially after he was captain last night against Huddersfield.

If a manager doesn't fancy you, surely that doesn't mean that you automatically sulk, or throw in the towel?

What happened to going and proving someone wrong? It seems a long time since Everton had this type of footballer in our club, but I suppose it's also a long time since we existed to win.

Watch the disallowed Kean goal against Huddersfield – his touch to set up the strike is awkward, something I first noticed in his Juventus showreel.

Now people may argue "He scored – so what?" Well, against Man City in Paris, he found himself on the edge of the box with a gilt-edged opportunity to pick out the top corner; instead, he ballooned it into Row Z... and therein lies the problem – he doesn't have the basic skills to be composed.

Unquestionably quick and powerful, he will make a living but he's a bit "meh" with the ball at his feet – similar to Romelu Lukaku really. Unfortunately there are no signs of Kean having the intelligence or mental resolve of Rom to adapt and prove doubters wrong.

The fact is, he is a £25M player – we need to cut our losses and accept that reality.

Do Juve not have some sort of buy-back deal in place as part of the transfer to us?

Barry, in fairness, if you also watch the strike after the clumsy touch, it's an absolute cracker.

We're already shaping our final third to feed Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin, neither of which are wizards on the ball. Kean could find his way with some support and through balls... needs to drop the sulk though.

Latest rumors say we are about to accept a loan with £25M obligation to buy.

Does this then help us with our FFP situation? Allowing us to buy players???

Andy #18, I've got the same gut feeling that Kean will mature into a lethal, consistent striker. It's going to take probably 2 or 3 years, at age 23 or 24; it will likely be at Juventus.

If so, let's hope Everton won't be taking a big loss on any transfer to Juventus.

I think I'd rather not buy anymore and save the cash than sign some Average Joes... I can't see the point in wasting money!

If Rhian Brewster is worth £24M and Solanke worth £19M, then a current Italy international who scored 17 goals for PSG last season is worth double the £25M quoted.

This is pathetic really. So far, Kean – what is he, 21 years old – has been linked with Juventus, Inter, PSG, Atletico Madrid. Not as if he has been linked with Derby or Watford or Brighton. (Ooh... maybe we could swap him for Maupay?)

Funnily enough, he would think himself above the likes of Aston Villa or West Ham but we should keep our fingers crossed because they would be offering us more than those European giants. How much did Villa pay for Ollie Watkins?

Sack Brands and give the job to Bill Kenwright, that's what l say. (Hello, Don, how's the blood pressure???)

David @32, the last time we had Bill in charge of the transfers and he had to pay out, he would attend the medical, slyly stand on the player's foot, then say "Oh look, he is limping! No deal... Next!"

If Kean was going to play 90 minutes, I'd say keep him. As a 21-year-old, he's already scored a decent amount of goals though admittedly playing for excellent clubs mostly.

But if (as seems likely) he will just sit on the bench, then there's not much point. He wants and needs to be playing and I'd rather have an absolute pro on the bench who trains damn hard every week in anticipation of those 5-10 minutes he may get.

In terms of price, I think the market has been hit at the lower ends and, whereas he may have fetched £30-40M pre-Covid, perhaps £25-30M is about right now.

If he's desperate to leave, then let him go.

And to think we all lauded Brands for signing him without a buy-back clause!!!

If Liverpool can get £20M for their reserves, we should be looking at £40M for someone who's actually proved he can score at a decent level.

Either buy him or do one.

David@32 Ha Ha!. Trying to brighten up the page with the last para, eh?

If Kean is so desperate to leave, best let him go but, if on loan, have a guaranteed minimum buy-out clause at the end of the loan term; otherwise, he comes back. Minimum £25M perhaps.

I've called this previously so I'm with Darren, Andy Crooks and Stephen Brown. He's only 21 and will get better. His raw potential can be coached and I have a feeling he will become a very good striker. I don't think that will be at Everton as much as I like to see him stay.

As said above, he has already played for 2 of Europe's elite clubs and represented Italy. And the clubs he's been linked with are again, of that status.

Stephen Brown; a combination of the bizarre premium you pay for English players because, well, they're English!! And maybe further demonstration of good transfer strategy by you know who. Based on your figures, I make it then got a return of £43M for an outlay of about £2 or £3M.

And I don't even think Brewster player for them at senior level!!

If you didn't laugh, you'd cry!

It does frustrate me though and why currently, I'm a big advocate of shopping on the continent, not in the Premier League or following the myth of must have Premier League experience.

Ian #6, don't be ridiculous. We would never have gotten that deal.

You and Jay #5 need to understand that there's no way Weston McKennie is or was ever coming to Everton. He wanted only Champions League football. He got it at Juventus and there's no way he'll leave until after the World Cup – and it won't be to us.

Very energetic and versatile player, from what I saw of him at Schalke, Mike.

We rolled the dice when we signed him and they came up snake eyes. I say take any deal where we get all of our money back.

Okay, he is young and he might improve... but, on the other hand, he might be another Royston Drenthe.

Dave (#32), due respect, genuinely, but any issues I had re blood pressure and the buffoonery (putting it mildly) in the boardroom with Kenwright still in it disappeared years ago. Berks call me angry, but aged 67, I merely judge what's plain as day and many other sanguine ToffeeWebbers concur with me.

That said, the sheer buffoonery of signing Kean for the fee we paid deserves examination. From what anyone can deduce from today's circumstances, we're now in a position where we need to find a boardroom somewhere in the world with at least the same level of ineptitude we've been displaying to the world of football for 30 years minimum. This has been exacerbated admittedly since the now very dubious (to me) Farhad Moshiri enhanced the role of our serially unsuccessful chairman, in the pathetic hope that Kean leaving us doesn't show, yet again to the world of avaricious agents and players, that we're the only club on the planet to willingly and repeatedly drop our kecks to the extent we provably do, lean over a barrel of the selling buying club's choice, and invite them to roger us as and when they see fit.

And they have, and will do again, until we get proper staff in the effin' boardroom and elsewhere in Finch Farm.

Danny #39, he's special. He and Pulisic will be the heart and soul of the US national team for years to come.

Superb at Juventus last season for Pirlo, but Allegri reportedly doesn't fancy him. He'd be a natural for the Premier League. Given his $35M price tag, I'd expect Spurs might be his next destination.

Again, and it doesn't matter who they are, no more loans! If they don't know this player's abilities now, then they never will and he may be more use playing occasionally with us than with another club.

A bit of a headless chicken, but like others say, he may develop into a mega goalscorer as he gets older.

If his heart isn't at Everton, then cash in and move on.

I don't see it.

Usually I'm a big believer that with players at this level, if they're not performing, they just need the right style of play, right management, right opportunities.

But I see Moise Kean as one of those rare exceptions. A guy who had a massive reputation as a very young player and is just nowhere near that level as a senior.

From watching him, I've seen really poor movement, terrible body language, poor decisions, and limited technique. I don't see anything in him that we couldn't pick up from lower leagues. Is he even quick?

I'll bet he scores a few in Europe playing for the dominant team in that league but will never really be a top striker. I'll be happy to have him gone.

There is no buy-back clause from Juventus for him. Have to say I find him underwhelming. Get the money and run.

A few ifs here; but, first of all, does he want to go? If he does, then we can hold on to him... but, if his heart isn't in staying with us, what's the point? If Richarlison goes, then that might alter his view, as he might think he'll get more chances in the first team.

If Richarlison does go, then the club might have their eyes on who they can buy with the money we raise, if we're trapped by the Premier League finance rules and don't have the funds now to buy a right back and maybe another centre half.
Again, if Richarlison goes, we'll need another centre-forward unless, Dobbin or Simms are ready for first-team action.

I don't think that, if Kean stays, he could last a season as a regular in the team (even if he wanted to stay, which seems doubtful). He's played where great players can set him up all day long and I think he'd prefer a bit of that again. Here, it'd be a bit of a slog.

If we sell Richarlison and Kean, as both seem like they want to leave, it gives us some leeway to bring in players that the manager sees will benefit the squad.

Final if! If clubs come in for Richarlison on a loan, I hope the club refuse to let him leave without a commitment to buy.

Agree with Dale; get rid please.

The scenario of losing both Richarlison and Kean before the transfer window ends in end of August is just devastating.

Kean, no worries... hardly features anyhow. But Richarlison, all-day running up and down, scoring goals and helping in defense... I don't think we are in that position to get an 'equivalent' replacement under such short notice.

Last season, we played with Calvert-Lewin as a lone striker. Once Calvert-Lewin got injured, our goal scoring ability evaporated... Should history repeat itself, our 2021-22 season will be a lower mid-table finish.

Hope we can do the deal in time to spend the money, which should be more than the £21.5M quoted. The fee should be at least what we paid for him, certainly not less.

He won't be missed from the involvement he's had since he's been here, even though he may turn out to be a very good striker.

Richarlison is another matter altogether. I think he's as good as irreplaceable. I'll be gutted if he goes before the end of this window because any replacement(s), if there even was one brought in, would be nowhere near Richarlison's quality.

Really looking forward to us selling Richarlison – our best player by far – in the last minute of the window and spending well over the odds on a Man Utd cast-off, or some useless twerp from Brighton or Newcastle...

God, it's hard being an Evertonian.

Michael (#52);

You don't think we'll continue bringing them in on frees then?

I hear there's a loan move planned first where they will have to buy him at the end? If that's the case, we need need to look at loaning someone from them to sweeten the deal.

On another note, Zouma going to West Ham for £25M... how I wish we were bringing him back! Him and Godfrey at the back would be excellent.

Is Branthwaite transfer-listed???

Kean can go – he and we are not a good fit.

Sky Sports reporting that "Everton are in talks to sign Porto's Colombia international winger Luis Diaz. James Rodriguez maybe part of the deal for the 24-year-old, with the midfielder moving to Portugal on loan."

Regarding Moise Kean, I like the suggestion made above that if Juventus are keen on taking him on loan with an obligation to buy, we should have a player in exchange from Juve on similar terms – like Rabiot or McKennie.

Darren #17,

I missed the cup game as I was away from home, so only just caught the highlights... but yes, I agree with you: huge potential in Kean and for us to be cutting our losses, essentially breaking even by selling him on the cheap, does not sit well with me.

I think he's improved a lot from his stint in France. Has all the makings of a top striker and no reason he won't kick on back at Juventus. The lad could be worth a lot of money in 2 years.

It's disheartening to see him quoted at £35M on TransferMarkt (which is his base value) and we could be offloading him for a big chunk less than that? I'd rather keep him and see if Rafa can get a tune out of the player.

I'm also reading that Nkounkou could be sent on loan in Belgium. Not a bad idea in itself, but would require us to sign a backup for Digne. Not sure with all our other needs that this makes sense. Nkounkou looks great going forward and is blazingly fast. Okay, maybe his defending is suspect, but surely rather than looking for yet another incoming player, we should retain, work on his defending, and get him games playing on the left?

If we listen to Benitez, it doesn't seem Richarlison is going.

I know these things can change quicker than a politician's excuse but, if we take his word, I don't see us selling.

Not this window anyway. It makes no sense at this stage.

But we're Everton!

Less than a week to go in the window and this has the potential to end up anywhere from great to truly awful. Right now we are in a limbo situation.

Reports are really all over the place, sometimes we're linked with class players, sometimes for youngsters that don't seem likely to feature much and then there's the bang average, usually for inflated fees. Tough to gauge which is real and which fantasy.

We could easily end up with no Rodriguez, Richarlison or Kean and whoever we can bring in will have a lot of responsibility to make up for those losses.

James will not be a loss as he will not improve as a player. Richarlison and Kean would be as they will both get better as players.

When you let everyone know you are sailing close to the wind on ffp, expect Kean to go there on loan then just about recoup our money next season.

Everton should have kept stum about their ffp, acted dumb, and then appealed for spending above our means, and took a £3 million fine, for breaking the rules, like the dirty dozen.

Deal done. €20m after a year loan.

£17m for Kean after a season long loan. What is the point of Brands?

Shane/Andrew

Were are you getting this guys ? I cant find it

The problem is, everyone knows our situation and will find it easy to play hard ball with us

Darren, Fabrizuio Romano on twitter.

£17m is probably what we've paid down already, with them cancelling the remaining installments.

Or we've lost a load...

Thanks Shane

This deal, however bad I think it is, epitomises why we should continue with the strategy of buying promising young players. Kean has been shite for us and barely scored, yet we recoup £20m on him. Tosun and Niasse both scored more, yet we can't/couldn't give them away.

Even if a promising player fails, we still get money back. If a 28 year old fails, we wait for his contract to expire and get nothing.

I'm reading it's a 2 year loan then £17M. So after a loan fee for last season, either a cancellation of further instalments as Ian suggests, or 1 or 2 further years loan fees. Nil wage cost and then a decent fee.

His book value reduces over the duration of his contract., and 2 years gone already. Sounds ok if the current reports are accurate.

Finally we can start to sign more players, after Ronaldo deal loosened the logjam.

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Absolutely embarrassing. Why would we sell him on this type of deal rather than loan him out with no obligation to buy and sell him for more next season? Very short sighted.

Juve have this sussed.

It seems like PSG and all top european clubs understand the reality about Kean and that is he has a hell of a lot to prove before hype becomes reality.

Fingers crossed he becomes a regular starter rather than a squad member as per his time here and at PSG we might get some cash for him then - won't hold my breath though.

Delighted he's gone the chump clearly thought he was better than what he is whereas the reality of his displays have been bang average.

Don't let the door hit you on the arse you gormless twat

Terrible deal! Brands should get the sack!

We need rid of him, so that seriously weakens our negotiation power.

I don't really care whether we get an extra mil or not, I just hope we can now replace him with someone who will actually contribute to the first team

Diaz looks set, so fingers crossed he works out.

He looks like the type we hope Brands would bring - young, exciting and with potential from a minor league. If he scores 7-10 goals he'll triple his value in 2 seasons.

If this is a 2 year loan with a buy option, then hopefully this is another hard lesson learnt by Everton.

Frankly as much as I see some talent in Moise, his attitude and body language says it all. For Everton it's getting the best option to cut their losses.

Italy didnt rate him, PSG, didn't want to buy him, and Everton couldn't find a position for him.

If only some club would come in for Delph...

Arrivederci, Moise Kean.

It's "allegedly" a 2-year loan with an obligation to buy if Juventus qualify for the Champions League in the second year.

I think the way transfer deals are treated on the books, is that the fee is spread over the duration of the contract.

So if true, then Kean's fee of £27M would be spread over 5 years at about £5.5m per year, with his book value diminishing each year by this amount. So after 2 years his book value would be about £16M now. Let's say for convenience £17M.

If his loan spell is for 2 more years, his book value by then would be £5.5M. If he has cost nothing last year and PSG paid a loan fee and he costs nothing the next 2 years, then we may be receiving £17M then against a lower book value.

This would please the bean counters, who are the people you need to please with FFP related matters.

Of course all the above could be bollocks, since we're not privy to the details, but it might just be a clever deal..

Paul, who didn't rate him? I said earlier these are all so-called European giants interested in him and again we settle for peanuts. A 2-year loan? Do we even get our money back from what he cost us?

Lools like Moshiri has given up on cracking the top 4 right now and is settling on staying in the division till our income lets us compete.

Well it says " with obligation to buy (under certain conditions)"!!! Whatever that means!

Alan Myers reporting tonight that deal is moving ahead, and is worth up to €35M.

Also Rondon deal progressing but no bid made for Daniel James.

Yes, it would appear that the deal for Kean isn't as bad as some on here feared. Sounds like we'll make a small profit on our initial outlay.

I think that language is intended to make that bookable income to loosen pursestrings. Paul the Esk or Robert would have to weigh in to know for sure.

Chris 78.

It looks like Daniel James is joining Leeds for £30M.

David Pearl @76,

"I said earlier these are all so-called European giants interested in him."

You were wrong then and are wrong now. Surely you understand paper talk is no gauge of serious interest the offer of hard cash is the only arbiter of serious interest and no one wanted to deal.

Get over it man we had to loan him out to get shut the facts are irrefutable.

Saying it's a loan isn't the complete story. It's a loan with an "obligation" to buy if, I believe, Juve qualify for the CL in the second year of the loan, which is very highly likely. The deal is worth a reported £30m.

Have to say I agree though that there didn't seem to be a queue of European giants vying to buy/loan/buy him, or anyone else for that matter.