Liverpool 2 - 0 Everton

Beyond all the pre-match blather, blustering and bravado that began before the weekend and has carried through at a relentless pace, we will soon get to know the truth of the matter as the 242nd derby match is finally set to kick off at Anfield.  

Sean Dyche starts only his second match in charge of the Blues and has made a big call in handing Ellis Simms only his second Premier League start in place of the injured Dominic Calvert-Lewin. 

Looks like Everton won the toss and chose to switch ends, Liverpool kicking off and hoofing it upfield. Onana was caught by Fabinho to give Everton a free-kick that Coady played long and Tarkowski headed behind. Simms headed on the first long punt from Pickford. 

Everton looked to retain their shape and press when the opportunity came, with Liverpool going long to evade the midfield block. Simms got a half-chance off Matip but waited too long for the ball to bounce and his shot was blocked.

Salah looked to get free but was immediately surrounded in the Everton area.  Simms again got to the clearance but Mykolenko couldn't do much with the lay-off. Simmms again laid off a clearance, this time to Iwobi.

Tarkowski had to slide across Nunez and give away a very dangerous free-kick on the edge of the penalty area but Salah hit his own player in the dummy wall.  

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It was all a bit too crowded in midfield, Everton giving up possession too easily and allowing Liverpool time to build more attacks. But Doucoure won a good tussle with Robertson near the corner flag. Henderson bounced off Onana off the ball and played dead. Tarkowski strong-armed Salah beautifully off the ball.

Everton were not playing enough forward ball, however, and Nunez produced a half-chance from a quick throw-in that was headed wide. Simms was doing well repeatedly getting to Pickford's clearances but the second ball was going Liverpool's way and coming straight back to Pickford.

In a rare decent forward move, Onana allowed Henderson to sneak the ball off him and he tried to chase it, sliding into Alisson. Liverpool then piled on the pressure and all Everton could do was defend in numbers; when they did clear it, Simms could not use it. 

Liverpool's press was getting more and more effective, driving again and again into the Everton area, while the Blues could hardly get over the half-way line. If anything, the Blues were a little too naive trying and failing to play through midfield. 

Iwobi gave away a foul wide right but Tarkowski headed the cross away. Yet it kept coming right back. Alexander-Arnold smacked Onana in the face and the free-kick at least saw the Blues advance and somehow win a corner. But Iwobi's delivery was easily defended and Gueye did his usual wild attempt when the ball fell for him. 

A cross in from McNeil after some good work from throw-ins was too close to Alisson. But McNeil did well to win another corner delivered high by Iwobi which Tarkowski headed onto the post. Simms picked up the rebound and played in McNeil but his shot was blocked and Liverpool advanced at tremendous pace on the breakaway, four on two, and Salah beat Pickford easily as the Everton man picked the wrong player to shoot Liverpool ahead. 

Doucoure tried to advance but too slow and Simms was easily blocked off the ball. There was little to no response from Everton who needed to lock down the defence under more Liverpool pressure after they were so massively exposed on the counter.

Tarkowski caught Henderson a bit late but escaped a yellow card. Gatkpo sold the ref on a foul by running across Iwobi. Everton were being suckered all over the pitch and had failed to come to terms with the intensity or energy of this match in the first half.  

Liverpool were given another free-kick in added time, and claimed a penalty off it that was not given. A poor half for Everton overall. 

No changes after the break, and a massive mountain to climb as Liverpool have all the momentum and impetus. Let's see just what Sean Dyche can do here…

Everton tried to play football down the wing, only to let it out of play. Doucoure was fouled by Matip, McNeil's free-kick sailing wastefully over everyone. Iwobi tried to beat four men and failed, Liverpool scampered forward again, Gakpo scored easily at the far post on Salah's deflected cross. 

McNeil did well to win a corner but it was too close to Alisson, as was Tarkowski, committing the foul. Tarkowski then gifted a pass to a red shirt and Henderson fired close but over.  

Mykolenko played in Iwobi but he shot too early, straight at Alisson. Liverpool broke at speed again, Nunez firing twice at Pickford from a narrow angle. Gray replaced Simms. Liverpool surged forward again, Nunezcurling his shot wide. 

Another abysmal giveaway by Tarkowski, almost let Liverpool in again, Everton showing no sign of turning the game, and having to go more for damage limitation, but dangerously reduced to playing poorly out from the back without a target man. 

Everton tried to play up with some intricate passing until Iwobi lost it. Iwobi did well to get a ball wide to McNeil but Alexander-Arnold easily stole the ball off him. More errors from Tarkowski, who was having a 'mare.

Maupay and Davies came on for the last 10 minutes. Iwobi put over a great cross, what a gift for Davies at the far post, but it was far too much to expect him to put his header on target. Instead, it was yet another gallop back to the Everton goal, Coady deflecting Salah's shot over for a Liverpool corner that caused chaos. 

A total lack of discipline by Doucoure saw him kick the ball away and get a stupid yellow card.  Pickford got excited about Robertson playing through after the whistle and and it all kicked off, Onana getting involved very stupidly from the dugout. 

Pickford had to produce a good save to stop Salah scoring a third, summing up the tone of a hugekly disappointing derby defeat. 

Liverpool: Alisson, Gomez, Fabinho, Salah (90' Elliott), Henderson (80' Milner), Gakpo (80' Firmino), Robertson [Y:86'], Nunez (70' Jota), Matip, Bajcetic (90' Keita), Alexander-Arnold.

Subs not Used: Kelleher, van Dijk, Tsimikas, Phillips.

Everton:   Pickford [Y:88'], Mykolenko, Tarkowski, Coady [Y:67'], Coleman, McNeil (78' Maupay), Doucoure, Gana, Onana (78' Davies), Iwobi, Simms (61' Gray).

Subs:   Begovic, Holgate, Keane, Mina, Godfrey, Vinagre.

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Simon Dalzell
1 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:57:20
Simms replaces Calvert-Lewin.

Confirmed. COYB.

Brent Stephens
2 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:01:34
Simms starts! Get in, lad!!!
Jeff Armstrong
3 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:03:26
At least he’s shown some balls by starting Simms, Frank would’ve picked Gray as a false 9.
Larry O'Hara
4 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:09:54
Well done, Dyche: sort of bold move I thought we hired Lampard for. He can bring Gray on when he tires.
Neil Lawson
5 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:10:25
It worked v the Arse. Why change it?

I suspect that Dyche will want the same 13/14 players to start each game and play, pretty much, in the same way. Makes sense to me.

Wouldn't we all love it if Simms grabs a goal? Very anxious and the next few hours will be a tough watch… but here goes.

Kieran Kinsella
6 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:19:00
No midfielders on the bench unless you count Tom Davies. But we are well stocked with four CBs.
Christy Ring
7 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:19:33
Bold decision by Dyche, but with Calvert-Lewin carrying a hamstring injury he'd no choice. This shows how rotten the board are, a striker was no.1 priority the window, and they just hid.
David West
8 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:20:50
Big call.

I think it's better to start him than expect the lad to change the game if we are chasing it. Maupay defo needs to play with someone as a pair or off a bigger man. Save Maupay's shithousery for when we are 1 or 2 up.

Let's have it !!!!!

Jeff Armstrong
9 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:22:15
We actually got rid of 2 strikers in January, Broadhead and Cannon, and Dobbin still on loan, all unproven youngsters I know, but options nonetheless.
Mark Ryan
10 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:30:01
Best of luck. Simms's Derby !!!
Brian Hennessy
11 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:31:07
Glad he went for Simms from the start. Perfect night to make yourself a hero lad.
Jim Lloyd
12 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:36:18
As long as each and every one of our lads pull their tripes out, then that's a good start. When these two games became Sean's first in charge I thought we' could well end up with no points.

Well we're 3 up on what I feared, so whatever happens tonight, I just want to see our lads stand up to these and fight for every ball, attack them whenever we can and have the same attitude as last week. Go At Them!

I like the idea of Ellis, playing form the start, because last week we could have had at least four goals with CL narrowly missing a hat trick and Doucouré...well missing a sitter! But the thing is we made them!

Perhaps Ellis will get one or two chances like the ones last week. If so, let's see what he does with them. If McNeill plays as he did last week then that'll give them something to think about down the left, Doucouré and Onana can go at them as well as create chances.

No doubt all the media will be whineing about the poor dear reds, but we just play our game. I'm sure Sean will hammering this into all day and every day. As we all would, I'd love to beat them, even with a last minute jammy penalty or manky home goal.

It's imprtant though, for me, that we are 3 points better off than I thought we'd be after two games

Come on you Blues,give them a fight or even a fright!

Phil Smith
13 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:44:15
No square pegs in round holes with Mr. Dyche then! Fortune favours the brave etc. What a refreshing notion. I've got good faith he'll (Simms) do a great job, just like he did when thrown in against Chelsea.

Haven't felt this optimistic playing there for a long while. Hopefully we'll get an early goal and get the players settled. COYB!!! Have it!

Dave Abrahams
14 Posted 13/02/2023 at 19:48:28
I echo Mark @ (10), very best of luck to Ellis Simms, would love you to become a hero tonight, for the rest of the team play hard but fair with controlled aggression and the supporters there tonight will let you know they are there right behind you every step of the way, come on you Blues up and at them.
Larry O'Hara
15 Posted 13/02/2023 at 20:38:06
Jim Lloyd
16 Posted 13/02/2023 at 20:39:32
Well, we're giving them way too much room. ard luck there, but no one back.
Shane Pamplin
17 Posted 13/02/2023 at 20:53:00
Is Ellis Sims a footballer, he is putting no pressure on the fullbacks. He is looking slow and unfit. Bring on Mapay.
Tony Hill
18 Posted 13/02/2023 at 20:53:48
A frightened performance against one of the worst Liverpool sides I’ve seen.

We have no calmness, touch or intent. Our midfield is dreadful.

Bring Gray on and play him up front. It’s not done yet but it soon will be if we don’t develop some courage. Utterly infuriating.

Michael Kenrick
19 Posted 13/02/2023 at 20:55:20
Defence had been solid but we were really poor trying to get forward. Hardly getting forward at all, unlucky with the header but then getting embarrassingly exposed on the counter. Far too naive in midfield.
Ernie Baywood
20 Posted 13/02/2023 at 20:56:41
Lots of blame for Pickford on commentary. Let's be fair - if he can make any kind of save against 3 players free in front of goal then he'd be a miracle worker. Gambled, got it wrong, but was on a hiding to nothing with how much we had committed to the corner.

No great shock so far. Dyche will play percentages and that comes with pretty fine margins. Just got fine was shown in the 36th minute.

Effort is there. Simms has done alright - at least he's playing the role we need. Hiding to nothing.

Not sure how we get back in this. Will Dyche say more of the same, ie keep it tight and pinch one from a set piece?

Pete Hughes
21 Posted 13/02/2023 at 20:57:18
Christ things must be pretty bloody desperate if we are calling for Maupay?
Jim Bennings
22 Posted 13/02/2023 at 20:58:32
Depressing really though the money we have spent yet we can never field a team that looks like it can ever score other than the odd corner.
Ernie Baywood
23 Posted 13/02/2023 at 20:58:39
Unless it's two up front I wouldn't be even considering Maupay. And I'm not sure we can spare the midfielders.
Tony Abrahams
24 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:04:03
Good midfielders feint and carry the ball forward; ours change the E to an A.
Christine Foster
25 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:04:53
Sitting too deep, they are attacking the fullbacks, Simms ineffective and needs to hold up play. We are not at them. The goal was unlucky but they have too much attacking strength, midfield asleep at the corner.

Ok, need to change things around. Not Maupay, still need a target, midfield need to close it down, defend from the front, giving way too much space and time to allow them to just know 40 yards balls to the wings.

Iwobi and Coleman weak on that side. Don't leave the changes too long.

Jerome Shields
26 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:06:15
Losing it in midfield. Defence too deep. Too much space in front of them. McNeil should have been holding the ball rather than that hopeless shot, coming off the player.

Everton midfield players all ball watching, rather than covering. Pickford with three players in shooting positions took a risk and guessed wrong.

Larry O'Hara
27 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:06:56
We are gifting it to these scum.
Pete Hughes
28 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:13:36
Well, the new manager bounce didn't last very long, did it?
Phil Friedman
30 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:13:57
If McNeil had a right foot, in the box on the corner rebound, it would be 0-1 instead of 1-0. He’s dog shite.
Bill Fairfield
31 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:14:30
Shit their pants every time they play these.
Dave Lynch
32 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:20:21
Why the fuck do we do it to ourselves?

One good performance and we get our hopes up.

Back to the old shite of can't find a team mate and no creativity.

Lose against Leeds and Forest and we are gone.

Shane Pamplin
33 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:22:15
Seamus is done.
Joe McMahon
34 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:25:43
Doesn't really matter who the Everton manager is, does it. It's in the fabric of The People's Club! No wonder some still talk about players from 60 years ago.
Bill Gall
35 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:30:19
Look at the benches and see the differences in class they bring Jota on we warm Davies up.
Gavin Johnson
36 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:32:15
I kept losing my link so gave up trying to watch it at 2-0. They were obviously targeting Seamus. I'd have gone with Godfrey for this game. Hopefully Patterson is back any time now.
Ernie Baywood
37 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:35:51
Dave 32, Poor players are still poor players. It's getting played out in front of us. Missed passes, missed touches. The standard of player we have is an embarrassment at this level.

The key remains Dominic Calvert-Lewin. If he's fit, we have a chance. If not, well there's nothing of any kind of substance in reserve.

Not defending Lampard or criticising Dyche but signings in January were always the main order of business. We didn't do it and we'll be in a horrible scrap for the next few months.

Tony Hill
38 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:41:15
As pure an Everton performance as you could hope for. I fear we are the worst side in the Premier League overall. We look like a bunch of relegation stumblebums and indeed we are.

I think this game is the lethal dose. It had to be them, of course.

Jerome Shields
39 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:51:24
Everton beat by the Arsenal effort and Dyche's training. Looked way off the pace from the start. The one mistake that Dyche did make was playing McNeil instead of Gray,
Simon Dalzell
40 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:51:34
Lamentable. As bad as I've ever seen.
Ian Bennett
41 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:52:46
Leopards don't change their spots.
Phil Friedman
42 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:53:45
Where will we find a decent striker willing to play in the Championship for us?

Being in the States at least I won't have to watch this shite ever again.

Clive Rogers
43 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:54:08
An absolute disgrace. Relegation for certain.
Jim Bennings
44 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:54:36
Absolutely pathetic that.

No wonder Frank had a pop at that Doucoure by the way, as a quality midfielder back in his day he's probably dumbfounded at how on God's earth a Premier League footballer can't pass a ball.

That was absolutely dreadful that was tonight.

Can we finally admit now that the problem is NOT the managers but the players???

Craig Walker
45 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:55:12
We never learn do we? One win and we're gonna turn that lot over. Instead, our so-called good players turn over and have their bellies tickled.

I only enjoyed derbies with Big Dunc in his first spell.

So many problems it's futile listing them.

Simon Harrison
46 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:55:41
Jerome [26], if anything he got caught up in play, the ball to play was back out to Iwobi, to swing another cross in...

To quote Khayyam;

“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.”

Brendan McLaughlin
47 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:56:55
For fuck's sake! No team is relegated in February.

We beat Arsenal the league leaders at home and lost away to Liverpool. One win and three points more than anyone expected.

The home victory over Arsenal is important... if we can beat the league leaders at Goodison under Dyche then why not any team?

Bring it on!

Jim Bennings
48 Posted 13/02/2023 at 21:59:09

The Arsenal game was the exception to the rule mate.

Tonight, that was ugly old Everton that I've seen most weekends for a year or more, spineless, clueless and shit houses.

When did we last score a goal from open play?

Our goal return is absolutely pathetic!!!

Neil Copeland
49 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:00:26
Very disappointing if not wholly unexpected. Unlucky not to take the lead and Davies should have buried his headed chance.

Overall got what we deserved but what happened to the passion and aggression we showed last week? On the plus side I would have bitten yer hand off for 3 points from the last 2 games. Also, at least Dyche knows now what he is up against.

The games at home to Leeds and Villa were always going to be the more important so trying to stay positive despite feeling like shite!

Danny Baily
50 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:01:30
Brenden 47, to be fair, we've been relegated since January!

There aren't 6 winnable games left, so if we're to stay up we need more results like the Arsenal one and not to put a foot wrong against Leeds, Villa and Bournemouth at Goodison. A big ask. In all likelihood, too big.

Ian Edwards
51 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:02:32
I've said all season that the midfield is disfunctional. It doesn't create or protect. Gueye is shit. Doucoure does nothing. Iwobi just disappears down alleys and loses possession. Onana has believed his own hype after one pirouette against Arsenal.

Without a decent forward or a crap one getting bodies around him, then we are utterly doomed.

Rob Dolby
52 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:02:38
Jim 44 who buys the players?

We got beat, no surprise, no new injuries... roll on Saturday for the big game.

I only thought Gana, Onana and Mykolenko showed up tonight.

Pickfords positioning for the first left me scratching my head as well as Coady letting the ball roll across the 6-yard box when he could have put it out for a corner. Real schoolboy stuff.

Thing is, unless Calvert-Lewin is fit, I think that's probably our strongest team.

Tom Davies with that header on the back stick just about summed the whole game up in one play.

Jim Bennings
53 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:02:42
That board can never show it's presence at any Everton game again in my opinion.

The negligence of duty is absolutely on an astronomical scale, failing to address the major issues on the pitch such as giving us some goal threats.

As I say, if we go down this season, we can have no complaints at all.

Brendan McLaughlin
54 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:03:01
Seriously Jim #48,

"Exception to the rule"?

We've had two games under Sean... there are no rules yet.

Barry Rathbone
55 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:03:18
I never know whether to admire or pity the bravado of some Evertonians proclaiming anything but defeat against this lot. Even with a team their equal (arguably better) under Kendall they beat us in cup finals. The fact is even at their worst they're streets ahead.

Look at the history since Shankly's arrival – it is mind blowing in its dreadfullness.

Brian Wilkinson
56 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:03:29
We knew at the start of the season we needed 2 strikers when Calvert-Lewin got injured, we brought Maupay in.

We knew in January we needed strikers and did nothing until the very last minute trying to get them in.

We had Moshiri saying he knows we need a striker.

That shower of shite of a board have stood back, tried to turn it back on the fans and will end up paying for not bringing a striker in.

I've no doubts Calvert-Lewin was played while the transfer window was open to try and justify we have him and Simms.

The fans knew we would not get a full season out of him, so why is anyone suprised the shit we are in?

The fans will still be here, but that board are finished.

Christine Foster
57 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:04:31
For the past few years, we have had players who are never men, they have simply been not good enough. Never have been and never will. The few class players we have had have been forced out or walked away.

I hope now, supporters can see the utterly appalling results of changing managers 7 times, of not having a plan, or any strategy for playing football.

Tonight was for me such a low because all that was good last week was lost in a moment, we hit a post and lose a goal...
not only lost a goal, our midfield was 10 yards behind 3 RS forwards.

Dyche has his work cut out because quite simply we didn't chase, win, try... that was as bad as it gets.

Bill Fairfield
58 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:05:04
The real Everton turned up tonight. Another manager flogging a dead horse.
Joe McMahon
59 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:06:38
Brendan, have you seen the Everton squad? Some are relying on Calvert-Lewin being fit, he can only score around the 6-yard box, he isn't an all-round striker, he isn't even 47-year-old Ings. Then we bring on Tom Davies and have a past-it Gana in midfield.

Exactly how is this pile of lethargic shit going to stay in the Premier League? We should have kept Allardyce those years ago until the stadium move.

Phillip Warrington
60 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:06:59
Why do we continually leave wide players unattended? Our fullbacks want to play as central defenders. Time and time again we left wide players unmarked, allowing them to steady and put in crosses or pick out midfield players coming through.

Liverpool, besides being a good footballing team, they are also good at chasing and scrapping for every loose ball; we don't.

Trouble with us now is we have to beat all the good teams now, as we have lost to the so called weak teams who have added during the transfer window.

Kieran Kinsella
61 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:07:04

"we've been relegated since January!" I am glad you weren't the British Prime Minister during the blitz.

Michael Lynch
62 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:07:13
I didn't expect to beat these for one minute, no matter what the knobhead media was saying.

Three points from the last two games is a brilliant return, and the most important thing tonight was to get no injuries or red cards.

Dyche needs to lift the players this week, and we need to make Goodison a fucking bear pit on Saturday. Three points off Dirty Leeds and it's game on.

Brian Hennessy
63 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:07:30
An abject, cowardly performance.

You could see they RS were low on confidence at the start but we allowed them to grow into the game.

The amount of times our players had chances to put a tackle in and didn't was just shocking. We had chances to take a booking to stop both goals and didn't. The only bookings we got were for petulance and stupidity, not from getting stuck in.

Coady should have put his foot to the ball for their second goal instead of taking the easy way out and leaving it go past him. Onana did absolutely nothing and deserved to be taken off.

Against Arsenal, each time we had a cross, we got the ball in early, tonight it was back to slow play and no first-time balls.

Gray did offer something when he came on and has to start ahead of Iwobi next time out. Calvert-Lewin needs to be told he is starting the next game, the scan says he is okay… get on with it.

I can only hope Sean Dyche can give these overpaid cowards the roasting they deserve. I can take losing a game, but that performance tonight was just not good enough.

Oliver Molloy
64 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:07:36
Awful, and they can all fuck off with their handbags at the end.

What the fuck!

I would have taken 2 points from these last two fixtures, but its the performance tonight that is so concerning.

Leeds is a must-win, folks, and they will be up for it.

Tony Hill
65 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:07:57
The alarming thing in that game was the smell of our fear. I thought that Dyche would dispel that or at least minimise it, but it was there tonight as rank as it's ever been.

It's very hard to retain any optimism.

Ian Edwards
66 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:08:18
Seen some comments about the Board. I read they were there tonight.
Tony Abrahams
67 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:08:27
Nowhere near as bad as I've ever seen, but obviously nowhere near good enough. Liverpool were there for the taking, but Everton simply never had the tools.

You don't have seven managers in 6 years, if you haven't got problems, but we have got to stick together now, hopefully get our centre-forward fit, and then try and get a little run of games together, whilst hopefully playing with a settled team.

Football is about many things. Heart and fight, commitment, quality and savvy, and then above all this comes ability, and yet nobody in our squad, consistently scores over a 6 out of 10, when it comes to any of the main ingredients required to be successful in the sport.

I'm glad we have got Dyche rather than Lampard but, as far as the new manager bounce goes, then it's good footballers, that win you games, and we just haven't got nowhere near enough of these.

The players really need the fans now though, and the fans really need these players, to get us enough points to survive, so the only thing we can really do, is continue to try and fight through the pain, and stick together.

Mal van Schaick
68 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:08:41
We look so poor and clueless, especially in midfield and up front. Pickford? That’s another story. Leeds and Villa up next must win games.
Jim Bennings
69 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:08:50
Calvert-Lewin is a big girl's blouse.

If he can't get a painkiller and get on with it, then we need to seriously start thinking he's Daniel Sturridge reincarnated.

We can't rely on a fella like this.

Dave Downey
70 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:10:24
Fortunate not to concede 3 or 4. We give them their first win of the year and the new signing gets his first goal.

If ever there was an opportunity to beat them, this was it. Almost as meek a performance as the now-infamous 3rd Round FA Cup tie just over 3 years ago.

When was the last time we got hold of a game and dominated the opposition? Semi-final 1995? I swear it's that long ago.

Brian Williams
71 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:10:25
When you're pissed off and gutted to lose to that shower of horrible shite, you have to step back and look for a positive.
The positive is that we've got three more points than any of us would have realistically expected from the last two games.

We've even got a point more than two draws, which we'd all have bitten the hand off of whoever offered us them.

Still gutted but we know how poor we are and we know our survival doesn't depend on results against the shite and the like.

Kieran Kinsella
72 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:10:58

Obviously the players are crap. But, all you need is a handful of 1-0 wins albeit centre-backs heading in corners which very nearly happened tonight.

There are other crap teams in the division as well. The year Moyes made the top 4, we didn't have a scoring striker. Bent got just 6. Cahill got 11 but, as I say, that's when we finished 4th.

Our aim this season is to finish 17th. Gray can score the odd worldy, Tarkowski, Coady, Mina even Keane can nab a few off corners. It can be done.

Brian Wilkinson
73 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:11:31
I can guarentee they will not be there Saturday, Ian.
Neil Copeland
74 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:11:50
Michael #62, spot on
Brendan McLaughlin
75 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:11:59
Danny #50,

I thought we were gone last season... even posted shit to that effect on ToffeeWeb.

I had absolutely no faith in Lampard last season but I firmly believe this season Sean will get us over the line.

To be fair, I'm pretty crap at this prediction stuff but hopefully not this season... 👍👍👍

Bill Gienapp
76 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:12:56
Said beforehand that the performance mattered more than the result. Unfortunately, that felt like a swift regression to the Lampard era – defensively okay, but prone to major costly lapses, while offering very little in attack. Bottom line – if you can't score goals and can't keep clean sheets, you're not going to earn many points.

Realistically, if you'd said we could walk away with 3 points from Arsenal and Liverpool, I think we all would have jumped at that... but it's not going to matter if we can't maintain a certain standard of play from week-to-week.

Ray Jacques
77 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:13:16
I suppose it's three more points from the last two games than I expected and that's the positive.

Well it's the only positive.

Danny Baily
78 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:14:28
Haha, Kieran 61, fair enough. But it's a simple equation.

We need 10 wins to stay up. We have four, and there are three winnable games left. The table makes it look like we're right in the fight to stay up, but it's all but over.

Ted Donnelly
79 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:15:55
Too easy for the shite. They could play blindfolded against us at Anfield and still win... it's the not competing that does my head in... Why? Why? Why?
Christy Ring
80 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:17:46
The board should stay away from Goodison, they sell Gordon and they look at Calvert-Lewin's injury problems, and bring no striker in, rely on a young striker with no Premier League experience... absolutely pathetic.

Leeds a 6 pointer, need to play Holgate and Godfrey as fullbacks on Saturday. Coleman can't be expected to play two on the trot and Mykolenko was poor tonight.

Hope Garner is fit, Iwobi has to be dropped, and Calvert-Lewin hopefully back, if he was touch and go tonight. I'd play Mina instead of Coady as well.

Neil Tyrrell
81 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:17:50
Painful watch that, we had 2 chances and one of them lead to their first goal. And the second fell to a wide open Tom Davies… 'nuff said.

We were undoubtedly shit today but we'll beat Leeds and things will look better.

Kevin Molloy
82 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:21:14
No surprises here. Standard. And we move on.

It could have been a lot worse, a two-niller at Anfield when you are as bad as we've been this season is entirely respectable for a new manager.

The two shittest teams in the division have both lost 9 out the last 10 games. They both won a solitary one. Against us.

Bournemouth twatted us by seven goals over a 3-day period, the appalling Southampton blew us away at home. We ain't very good.

So going to the home of the team that's been in three of the last five Champions League finals was always going to be an uphill task, especially when they are our local rivals.

Oh, and we've got no striker.
Perspective is needed.

Danny O’Neill
83 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:24:08
I'm raw and upset so I'll leave the football until tomorrow.

15 seconds after we hit the post right in front of me they go and score.

They weren't that much better than us. Scrappy match. I'm gutted.

I'm in the Arkles for my Grandad as always. Or the "World Famous" Arkles as it now calls itself and is labelled.

Cheeky bastards had a "No away supporters" sign up on the door with bouncers controlling it.

Well I ignored that and I'm now surrounded by half of Ireland and London.

Really sad to see the Police presence, both around Goodison where I went before, during the match and the riot vans queued up on Arkles Lane.

I'll have to sleep on this one.

Ian Edwards
84 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:25:29
Whole team were poor. Pickford at fault for first goal. Coleman allowed both breaks and failed to commit a professional foul for both goals.

Coady at fault for second goal. Doucoure anonymous. Gueye his usual Sunday league self. Iwobi lost possession consistently.

Onana schooled by Henderson. Simms isolated and when he got the ball, couldn't hold it up and bring anyone else in. Should have either been subbed at half-time or played in a two with Maupay.

Bottom 4 starting to get cut adrift and it will be really difficult if we don't beat Leeds.

Raymond Pearce
85 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:25:54
What a shambles of a display. A kids five-a-side would do them. Banarama league outfit. That stadium is being sold to St Helens. The club is finished. All things have an end.
Ray Jacques
86 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:26:18
Kevin, Your post scares me, but it's the reality. The hope I had after Saturday has been tempered. I thought we may get something tonight.

Lose to Leeds and it's curtains.

Strange the board show up at Anfield but won't come to Goodison. Sums the rancid, useless, dysfunctional, hopeless frauds up.

Fran Mitchell
87 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:26:30
We were poor, and the goals were gifts. First giving the ball away, then the failure to make the cynical foul to end counter attacks, then poor decisions by both Pickford and Coady respectively.

But what did we expect? They had a choice of 5 strikers with a combined value of around £250-300 million, and we had Simms, Gray, and Maupay.

Our season will be defined by the next 3 games. This was a reality check, and the hope is Dyche learned about this set of players today.

Leeds is a must win.

Ernie Baywood
88 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:30:47
I don't buy that we 'didn't show up' in comparison to the Arsenal game. It was roughly the same performance bar Tarkowski's header going in. Both have only been marginally better than what's gone before. With allowance for the improvement Calvert-Lewin brought to the team compared to Simms (who I'm not going to criticise at all).

Keep it tight and nick one. Our defensive record isn't too bad. Our attacking record is the worst in the league. Those facts aren't about to change in my opinion. In fact, scratch the "in my opinion bit" it's practically an objective fact. It's not going to change.

The key was always improving the squad. We didn't. We made it worse.

We've gone from years of mismanaged decline to the Board waving the white flag and moving into a period of managed decline. The very fact Thelwell is still drawing a wage tells you that the transfer window wasn't for strengthening on the pitch – it was for strengthening the finances.

We're in a period of "do what you can with what you've got". We even signed a manager known for doing exactly that who talked up the need to get more from the existing squad.

There's no-one in a leadership role at the club right now who isn't part of the problem. They're either setting this agenda, complicit in it, or at a minimum quietly compliant.

We probably need a bit better than one point a game from now on. Our survival chances depend on us either getting Calvert-Lewin fit, or winning 5 corners a game and scoring from 1. Oh, and our defence being close to the very best in the league.

I never like losing to Liverpool. And maybe if Tarkowski's header is three inches to the right then Dyche looks like a genius in the short term. But the result of this game, for once, was only about the points. It doesn't tell us anything about the rest of the season that we didn't already know (What is left to learn? What can realistically change?).

We're not going down because we lost to Liverpool. We lost to Liverpool because we're a very poor side that doesn't have much hope of avoiding the drop.

Mark Ryan
89 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:31:11
Klopp interview, one word, vagina
Joe McMahon
90 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:33:21

I'm clutching at straws but the header that Davies had should have made it 2-1, then bizarrely you never know. Yes, Liverpool have 5 strikers but Wolves put 3 past them.

I do however feel that the Everton squad is by far the worst in the Premier League, and a few Championship clubs.

Don Alexander
91 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:34:14
Seven managers and three DoF's have been employed by Moshiri and Kenwright but seven years later we have a squad all but devoid of pace, heart or skill. That's some achievement by the gruesome twosome still at the top.

It was embarrassing to see the ease with which they scored first. We just can't have six players in their box for set-pieces because of what repeatedly happens when we play high. We get caught out, and gift gold-plated chances to any team with just two-speed merchants in their midfield/attack. No other team in the division is as devoid of pace as we are in those areas – and it's been like that for many years, not that the gruesome twosome seem to care.

Obviously limiting numbers in our set-piece adventures reduces the chance of us scoring but we most need to keep clean sheets for what's left of the latest calamitous season, and hope to nick one.

According to Calvert-Lewin, our quickest players by far are Godfrey and Branthwaite. Is there a case for recalling / playing them both in such desperate times?

Jerome Shields
92 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:34:20

That is exactly the ball that McNeill should have being looking to play to keep the pressure on.Blocking the defender from getting it and laying it off to Iowbi.But also the players covering for a counter attack where caught up in looking for a loose ball, like McNeill that was not the percentage ball to look for in such a situation.The second goal just showed how pace could wipe them out of the play.

I am now thinking why I ever thought that Everton would turn up at this game, knowing they would be out of gas after their Arsenal exertions.

Dyche got a education tonight the players are just not fit, some will never move as they should. Most are just trying to move about, never mind think about what they are doing and being Professional about it.

At player who could have made a difference was either unsupported, isolated or snuffed out.

Maybe Dyche has learned enough now to get Everton enough points and three other teams lose enough points.Dyche has to keep this lot playing to give us any chance.

I know it is early yet as Brendan says and we would have taken three points from this last two games, but it against the lower level teams that the most telling points will count.Lets see how Dyche fares against them.

There was far too much spare in the front of the Everton defence.Tpp many wayward passrs coming out off defence..

Peter Neilson
93 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:36:50
Very disappointing performance. Our press disappeared inside 10 minutes and we simply don't know how to get the ball forward quickly. Six points from the next two, fingers crossed but need to get back to Arsenal performance level.

Never seen such an OTT police presence as there was at Anfield tonight. Can't have been an officer anywhere else on Merseyside. There to protect us or our board?

Jim Bennings
94 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:37:30
Everton have not scored a goal from open play since December 31st.

Everton have scored ONE goal from open play since October 22.

ONE goal in open play in TEN matches.

Mike Price
95 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:38:41
I really hope that Dyche isn't pushing for a new contract for Pickford… £200k a week apparently. Mykolenko has to be dropped, he's terrible, and Iwobi is a waste of space.

I agree we've got to play Holgate and Godfrey at fullback, it's impossible for them to be worse than we saw tonight.

Leeds and Villa are season-defining.

Fran Mitchell
96 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:40:09
In terms of going forward, Mykolenko just isn't good enough not quick enough, not strong enough Godfrey at left back from now on.

Mina should play of he is fit. Mina in, Coady out. Coady shouts a lot, but defensively is poor. Holgate at right back until Patterson is fit. Coleman is too slow, he can offer something off the bench,.but his good performances are too fleeting.

Garner hopefully can come in, for Gana who isn't up to standard, he's too slow, too weak. not half the player he used to be. He can be an option the bench when we are holding on to a victory.

Iwobi is not a winger, If we are playing wingers, he has to be left of the bench as an option to change set up if required. Play Grey off the right.

Up front, I've no idea. Simms had a tough game, but was hardly an ideal game for a players first start. Would Maupay have been any better? We need DCL, obviously but other than that.

Tom Bowers
97 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:40:40
It is a real problem having defenders that are slow in retreating.

Somehow we survived against the Gunners as they have really quick players who pass very quickly but RS really only have Salah who most defenders can read now but of course Everton would have to be suckered in this game.

The result was a little predictable once DCL was a doubt.

The next game has to be a six pointer and Leeds who played really well against Manure will be no easy task but then no game will be easy from hereon in.

Would like to see Dyche change the shape a little as we are still to easy to beat in midfield and inconsistent.

Ian Edwards
98 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:43:29
Just saw on twitter someone saying Pickford's positioning was worse than a Chinese weather balloon.
Jim Bennings
99 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:45:24
Mike 95

Everton are too easy to dish out new contracts to players who have one good game and ten awful, it's been ongoing for years.

Iwobi doesn't need a contract extension, he's a part of our lack of goals in a key area.

Davies doesn't need a new contract, let him go for nothing in June.

Doucoure simply has to be removed, highest earner at the club, aged 30, offers nothing, Lampard quickly sussed him out for being a pussy.

Coleman needs to make Everton's mind up for them and retire this summer otherwise sentimental Bill will have another new deal on the table.

Calvert-Lewin is NOT our main striker anymore, we need a REPLACEMENT not a backup for him, I said this in August last year.

Mykolenko is NOT a modern day fullback that can get forward, and is not good enough on the ball.

Tony Abrahams
100 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:45:26
It was like the WhatsApp picture I got today of the fella who had been following the Chinese balloon for 100 miles, before he realized it was birdshite, on his car window, Ian.
Andy Crooks
101 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:45:56
Danny @78 give it a rest. You actually sound like you want us relegated just so you can be right. I'm pretty sure you didn't see Arsenal as winnable. You might be right, but not quite yet.
Andy Crooks
102 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:48:58
What an awful post @69. Not as bad as the Live Forum stuff, Jim, but still poor.
Pete Jeffries
103 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:49:49
Tonight the reality hits Sean Dyche and Stone right in the face.

The reality of a bunch of mainly dysfunctional players in a club with invisible cowardly directors who cannot face their own fans.

Its a nightmare and we need a miracle again to stay up against all the odds.

Whatever happens we will see the last of them all in good time.

In the meantime, as Christine said earlier, we need a few of them to stand up and be counted.

Fortune favours the brave.

Tony Everan
104 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:53:57
We tried to do to them what we did to Arsenal. If Tarkowski’s header went in then maybe we get something.

We just haven’t got the necessary quality up front, when Calvert-Lewin is out we are really limited and offer even less threat.

Liverpool knew our defence is on the slow side and exploited it fully with their pace. They could have scored a couple more breaking away at speed.

No use letting this fester, 3/6 points from the RS and Arsenal most would have accepted as good. The upcoming games are crucial and winnable, we must focus on getting some serious points on the board, but we need DCL fit for the rest of the season to give us a fighting chance.

Fran , those changes changes defensively have to be taken into serious consideration . We cannot afford to get caught out like that again , just the pace of the counter attack made it very easy to score , other teams will be all over it having watched that tonight . It’s food for thought for Sean Dyche.

Brendan McLaughlin
105 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:55:41
Pete #103

Don't think so. I think Sean got it right against Arsenal but failed against the Redshite.

He'll be working on getting it right again!

Danny O’Neill
106 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:57:59
We go and take Leeds next week.

We will all be there with them.

I will be.

Tony Abrahams
107 Posted 13/02/2023 at 22:59:59
If we didn’t know before we definitely now know that it’s the players, who aren’t good enough. We have to stick together, which is hard, especially when you see pictures of the antagonist.

If Saturday’s game isn’t high risk, then I’m not going. We need everyone pulling in the same direction, so we definitely don’t need agent Kenwright, who seemed quite at home tonight.

If Kenwright attends, then this is only going to turn the crowd away from the most important matter of getting behind the team. STAY AWAY LIAR, LET THE EVERTONIANS GET ON WITH SUPPORTING THEIR TEAM

Jerome Shields
108 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:00:15

I don't think Calvert Lewin would have made any difference.Probably glad he was not playing.Actually I thought Simms did lead the line well, but was isolated.Any lay off he made to a recieving Everton player who where mostly off the pace.At was attacking opportunities he had early chance which he fluffed.

Paul Birmingham
109 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:02:58
It’s now, that counts, and there’s no more excuses, past, or present.

History doesn’t count, in crisis.

Tonight Everton didn’t turn up, barely turned up for about 5 / 95 minutes, which is very deeply concerning, in a Derby, and there was no leaders to work the head, the mind, make it tough, make the RS, think, break their stride.

It’s not just Seamus, and Onana, who takes the ownership, every player should fight and play with pride for EFC, at every level, and the manager and coaching staff.

Seriously some issues, in that no one took a chance, and took a shot, from outside the box. Why didn’t McNeil, shoot first time, instead of taking his deadly touch... Harsh after last week, but tonight they played him into bad angles, for his left foot.

Some humble attempts, in the second half, but the old failings came back to haunt Everton, getting mugged, on the counter attack.

Tom, had the best chance, to score, in real play, pass, move, and create, but I will not pass judgement or any sentence, as at least he was in the right position, but it raises further issues about Evertons coaching in ball skills, confidence, and football, techniques.

There’s no excuse at this level of football, for not believing, when playing.

Leeds and Villa, are massive, imho, must win, games, gutted to fade tonight.

Ironic, they got all the post Champions League positives, about Paris, today. But that’s not an excuse. Fekkn, a minimum, every game, blood, sweat and tears.

But at the end of the day Everton players, and Management Team, must take ownership, and accountability.

Massive month ahead, but Everton must believe, like never before.

For me, I’d start with Demari running the Leeds nags defence, all over the place, but then who will score the goals?

Was Ellis, playing to a plan, tonight, but I felt for him, but also he seemed, well off touch in timing, scanning the pitch, and gambling for the ball or next move.

I’d consider Vinagre, for Leeds, but perhaps his lack of game time will default him, but as I love the spirit of Miki, but he repeats the same cast iron passing, and position and marking, errors, every game for the time he’s been, here bar a couple of games..

This is gonna be some second half of the season.


Derek Knox
110 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:06:24
Totally gutted, after that show against Arsenal, I expected a continuance, and especially against them who weren't playing well at all themselves, but what did we witness a throwback to Lampard's Watch almost. Don't blame Sean Dyche at all, I'm sure he gave them a plan which they failed to execute, just looked like a different team almost. Just when I foolishly thought we had turned the corner.
Tony Abrahams
111 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:07:48
The only thing that is going to save Everton is Goodison, and that’s why it’s imperative that the liars from the boardroom stay away. Goodnight everyone, our day will come again, but not whilst we have got a Jonah, still pretending to be one of us.
Danny O’Neill
112 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:11:40
They apparently showed up at Anfield today as I and many thousands did.

But they won't attend Goodison matches?


I'll be there next week, just as I was at Anfield today and stayed to the end and clap them off the pitch.

It might not mean a lot, but Mykolenko first over to the supporters again.

They don't deserve us. I won't get home until midday tomorrow, I'm surrounded by Kopites and I go again on Saturday.


John Keating
113 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:16:09
2 breakaways 2 goals
Our season will not be defined by tonight
Our season will be defined by the likes of Leeds and Villa
If we don’t get 6 points from them we are down
Ian Riley
114 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:17:32
Three points from two very difficult games. Excellent outcome. Forget tonight. Next two games to concentrate on and realistically can win both. This squad is mid table and has quality.

Forget the board and get behind the players and the manager.

Night all!

Dave Abrahams
115 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:18:16
Tony (65) You put into words what I was thinking after about fifteen minutes of the game” the smell of our fear” it stood out with too many of our players looking panic stricken just booting the ball anywhere, panic stricken, no attempt to hold onto the ball. I couldn’t really pick out any player who worthy of more than a five in the ratings, rank bad all over the field in all departments, outplayed, outfought throughout the game by a team who have had a run of bad performances themselves but looked faster, fitter and much better than our weak and timid eleven who mostly stood and watched the game pass them by.I expected more than this and we need a lot more than this if we have any chance of staying up.

I hope Dychey gets them up for the game against Leeds, they looked less than useless tonight especially after that unexpected performance versus Arsenal last time out.

Paul Thomas
116 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:18:40
We pressed well for the first 10 minutes, after that we allowed them to play and grow in confidence and control the game. They never looked back after that.

I thought Ellis Simms was woeful, he offered no attacking threat, didn't win any aerial battles and failed to close down any play from the back.

They looked dangerous every time they went down our left side, Mykolenko was over run and our Midfield went missing when we needed them.

A very depressing performance. Why couldn't that header have gone in, it might have galvanised the team and burst their confidence.

Phil Lewis
117 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:20:02
There is a long way to go, a couple of good results change everything. Don't forget, most of us would've settled for 2 points from these last 2 games beforehand.
There has to be an experienced striker somewhere in the world looking for a last big pay day before retirement. Find him, fast. Before it is too late.
It is unthinkable that we have only one (permanently injured) recognised goal scorer on our books. Without one, relegation seems inevitable.
This was a big setback tonight, we're agreed on that. The fight starts here. COYB.
Dale Self
118 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:28:34
Since I am a Dyche advocate.i thought I would give Ian and Soren some target practice (joking but do have at it if wanted). Playing Simms was the gamble we all wanted to see, at Anfield it was too much. We never were able to get Duke or Onana up close enough. Iwobi needed to come inside whatever the risk on transitions. Trying to keep TAA amd Robertshiteson from attacking fell flat as there was not enough movement and sterile possession was the best we could muster. We’d have been better off bringing Iwobi and McNeil back deep and tale the chance of them breaking us down.

A breakaway goal after Tark hitting the post was brutal but two players missed their assignments. Then the goal that most thought was likely was still shocking.

I think we will not go into shock but I really don't know how Dyche will do it. But I do think he will figure it out in time.

Paul Birmingham
119 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:33:07
There’s 3/ 6 points, from these games, Arsenal, RS, which is good going.

But to score goals from natural forward play, does look an issue, in terms of timing, belief and understanding. No one boosts a gut to follow, or finish a low cross, or take a pot shot...

But, as long as there’s air, in my lungs, like never before, this is the year, for Evertonians, to stand up, fight and be counted.

The time is now.


Anthony Murphy
120 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:35:46
Dyche will need to work on a very un-Dyche like plan if DCL misses games. I don’t see us staying up if he tries to play with a target man if Calvert Lewin is absent - he’ll need a rethink
Alec Gaston
121 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:41:17
Listening to a clip from Dyche interview tonight, it sounds like Calvert-Lewin is not suffering from a physical problem.
Jack Convery
122 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:45:04
"Everton that". Until we lay this particular statement to rest, we'll always be crap.

The RS before tonight were the worst performing team in the Premier League since 1 January. Salah hadn't scored for ages and Gakpo hadn't scored at all!! Yet once again EFC come along, bearing gifts (maybe we need a couple of Greeks to play for us).

When will this stop? Losses to Southampton, Wolves, Bournemouth and West Ham Utd – all of whom were in a dreadful run of form. What is wrong with players who wear the blue of Everton ?

To make matters worse, our blue blooded Chairman turns up, no doubt telling everyone who would listen how awful the Everton fans are and how ungrateful too. (Please, Kenwright, stay away from Goodison. The Old Lady is sick of you.) No doubt you enjoyed listening to the RS taking the piss out of Everton. After all you've pissed all over our club and fans for many a decade.

3 points are imperative against Leeds next weekend. Let's make sure we get them.

Paul Kossoff
123 Posted 13/02/2023 at 23:54:26
Danny 112, You are a true blue, all the best to you.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Paul Kossoff
124 Posted 14/02/2023 at 00:03:17
Jim 69,

Well said, lad, I'm fed up with all this woke shit, can't say this can't say that.

Calvert-Lewin is a big girl's blouse, and he wears them, send him off to modeling school where he can't get hurt.

Phil Friedman
125 Posted 14/02/2023 at 00:14:24
I was a Doucoure fan, but Dyche has to sit him after tonight. He looks like he has arthritic knees, and doesn’t run, he ambles. Not acceptable.
Colin Glassar
126 Posted 14/02/2023 at 00:24:48
Not only Doucoure, Phil but Tarkowski, Coady and Iwobi all need a rocket. Too many players strolling around tonight, back with their hands on hips looking like they couldn’t wait to get home.
Graham Hammond
127 Posted 14/02/2023 at 00:25:51
I would agree with Tony Abrahams and say that Liverpool were there for the taking tonight. Sadly we didn't show up though, we lacked belief, conviction, desire, and intelligence all over the park and thus handed them the game again!

Dyche has to learn from this, more pace and mobility is needed through the core of our team. I am not going to defend Simms despite his tender years, I simply did not see the desire I would expect from a young lad, that performance was unacceptable.

Similarly, I cannot defend Conor Coady either, that second goal was an atrocity, heads must roll, Sean! Yerry has to play when fit.

On that performance, time has caught up with Seamus, painful to watch his role in that second goal, hate to call him out though as he has been terrific for us over the years.

Despite his quality assist to Tom Davies, Iwobi is wasted out wide, we need his (relative) creativity and mobility down the middle of the park. We need Godfrey back in the side too.

A sad, depressing night but the biggest battle awaits.

Paul Birmingham
128 Posted 14/02/2023 at 00:28:12
Massive game, v Leeds, and Everton, must turn up.., in terms of the football playing squad.


Paul Armstrong
129 Posted 14/02/2023 at 00:28:55
Barry Hesketh
130 Posted 14/02/2023 at 00:39:55
I never watch the derby game at their place and I've only just logged in to see the result. I wasn't expecting to win, but judging by comments on here, we didn't even show up, why?

Why is it always the case, we can take on Man City and Arsenal in the league and Man Utd in the cup with an element of bravery and game plan, but travel over the park and we always melt, no matter the players in their team or ours, no matter who the manager is. I'm glad Bill got to attend a home match for his favoured team.

As Jim Bennings noted, it's appalling and shameful that any side never mind an Everton team has only scored one league goal from open play in 10 league games – I'm taking Jim's word for that by the way.

We go again on Saturday, and let's be honest it always was a more important game than the derby; however, I did expect that the team would give a reasonable account of themselves over the park, but they didn't so yet again they owe the travelling fans big time.

Jamie Sweet
131 Posted 14/02/2023 at 00:43:14
Tarkowski heads it 5 cm to the right and it's a very different ball game.

Fine margins.

Derek Knox
132 Posted 14/02/2023 at 00:59:55
Jamie, while I agree, it is retrospectively hypothetical, that IF word could have changed History, IF only -------- ?

Still gutted, and that was watching from home. I always feel sick after a defeat, and especially one where we didn't appear to offer any modicum of threat.

Shaun Lyon
133 Posted 14/02/2023 at 01:01:21
Thought our midfield would be stronger than theirs but Onana was anonymous, Doucouré showed how utterly shite he is in possession of that round thing called a football... attempting to accurately play a 5-10 yard pass... once he's managed to control the friggin thing... terrible.

Where was the fight? Where was the passion? It was a derby for Christ's sake. One yellow card... pathetic. Both goals...take the player out! Don't let him run through... take him down! God, I hate modern football.

Bill Gall
134 Posted 13/02/2023 at 01:24:18
Typical bad luck for us, the first goal, we hit the post, Simms passes it back to McNiel, he puts it back into the center, it hits Doucoure on his heel and bounces out to a Liverpool player who plays it to Nunez and they are off to the races…

Second goal: why Coady let it go and made no attempt to clear it? I am not sure if he thought it would turn into an own goal if he touched it.

I believe we missed Calvert-Lewin more than we thought as, when he was winning balls, he was bringing the midfield in whereas Simms was winning balls but they turned mostly into 50/50 balls that the other team was winning.

We all knew that when Dyche came it was not going to be easy, but I think 3 points from the last 2 games was really more than we expected. With the players we have and the way they were managed they deserve to be were they are, the other team with the players they have should be higher and it showed with the subs on the bench.

I think that Dyche will give the same message as the last game: forget that game, let's prepare for the next one, each one becomes more important than the last one.

Kieran Kinsella
135 Posted 14/02/2023 at 01:33:52
Bill Gall,

Very sensible post.

Barry Hesketh
136 Posted 14/02/2023 at 01:36:37
Bill @134,

I've just seen the goals on the OS, it could so easily have been Everton taking the lead, but why didn't Gueye just take out the the guy on the break and what was Pickford doing so far off his line in no-mans land?

As you say, Coady should have dealt with that ball that went across the 6-yard box. As for Tom's miss, it was pretty poor from a Premier League player, although heading has never been his forte.

Reading between the lines it sounds as if Dominic might be missing on Saturday too, which is a huge blow for us. He might not be at his best but he's a great deal better than anyone else we have in the squad.

Dyche may have to alter his game plan, because Simms doesn't appear to be the right type of player to fill Calvert-Lewin's position.

Lester Yip
137 Posted 14/02/2023 at 01:45:35
1) Good to see Simms being given a chance. But always feel he hasn't got enough energy to roam around quick enough. In the early days, Calvert-Lewin didn't touch the ball much but quicker to close down and apply pressure. Maybe Simms got good skill I don't know. But without that fitness baseline, I don't think he can achieve much in Premier League.

2) Our corner kick looks dangerous. Again that long deep ball to Tarkowski was almost a goal. It's unfortunate it hits the post and we get countered and go one down. It doesn't change the fact that we're more lethal in the set-piece environment. Just force more corner kicks going forward.

3) Still very susceptible to counter-attack. We've lost too many of these kind of transition goals. Dyche has to re-think whether it is worth pulling one more player back in those situation.

4) Playing at Anfield is going to be difficult. But we have our chances and, if the players can execute better (eg, Davies's header), it could be a different outcome.

Bill Gall
138 Posted 14/02/2023 at 01:55:35
Barry @136,

I was surprised that Gueye even managed to keep up with Sala and Nunez but he was one step behind them and if he took him out there would have been no doubt he would have got a red card.

Barry Hesketh
139 Posted 14/02/2023 at 02:01:52
Bill @138,

I don't think he would have got a red if had have taken the lad (Nunez?) out near the halfway line but, as at it was at their place, it probably would have led to a sending-off.

Bill Gall
140 Posted 14/02/2023 at 02:05:20
Phil @42,

If you are a supporter, you will watch them wherever they play. DAZN show the Championship games.

Me, I just will not watch the Premier League if Everton are not there.

Bill Gall
141 Posted 14/02/2023 at 02:13:23
Barry @139,

Look at the highlights: Gueye was a couple of yards off one side of Nunez and slightly behind, the same question could be asked why Coleman never took Robertson out for the second goal.

Pete Clarke
142 Posted 14/02/2023 at 02:23:15
No shock in the result or performance because we should know better than to expect any more from these players, especially at Anfield. The Arsenal game game was a one-off bounce but from here on in it's gonna be a real struggle with these players to get wins.

The ease that other teams break through our midfield is scary and we simply can't afford to play high up and commit too much because we are wide open to breaks. We can't pass the ball either, as seen again by Tarkowski and Gueye, and then we have Davies header which sums up both the players lack of ability and the coaching that has gone on at Finch Farm for years.

There's not a decent goalscorer in the squad. Even Dyche is probably shocked how poorly equipped we are and how big the challenge is.

Leeds is a must win. Anything else is denial of where it's heading.

Barry Hesketh
143 Posted 14/02/2023 at 02:47:06
Everton: Pickford, Kenny, Holgate, Keane, Coleman, Allan, Van de Beek, Iwobi [Y:75'], Gordon (82' El Ghazi), Richarlison (86' Rondon), Calvert-Lewin (72' Alli).
Subs not Used: Begovic, Patterson, Townsend, Tosun, Gomes, Branthwaite.

The above was the line-up this time last year when Everton defeated Leeds United three-nil, Gray was out injured. The decision not to bring in any type of attacking reinforcements in the January window has undermined an already difficult task and I can hardly believe that the hierarchy at the club have been so negligent.

I remain hopeful that we can keep our place in the Premier League, but I fear that the lack of goals and actual attacking threat will take us down. Every other side I've watched in the last few weeks has a way of creating and taking chances, I see nothing in our squad that does the same for Everton.

Steve Brown
144 Posted 14/02/2023 at 02:55:34
Thought this was free hit after the Arsenal win, but we hardly landed a punch. If we had shown more intensity and ambition, we could have secured something from the game.

Our defending of counter-attacks has been lamentable all season, we were shoddy in possession again, there were inexplicable errors from senior players (again!) and we had to play young Simms isolated up in attack.

The failure to sign a striker in January should have led to someone being sacked – but this is Everton, where lack of accountability and incompetence have gone hand in hand and usually result in a payrise.

But, we took 3 points from 2 games where we probably expected zero. If you look at the fixture list of the clubs around us, they have tough games coming up. It will come down to securing the 5-6 wins we need by targeting our home games and 1-2 key away games.

Alan J Thompson
145 Posted 14/02/2023 at 03:46:41
I've just finished watching it for the first time and have not read any comments but it has, reluctantly, to be said that they looked faster, more organized and more disciplined than we were and add to that a referee who seemed willing to give them the benefit every time they fell over.

We seemed to change our game from the performance against Arsenal and until the 70th minute did not seem to get players forward or press them in their half, indeed we seemed to drop back into our own half whenever we lost possession. Our midfield where nowhere to be found and McNeil and Doucoure were rubbish, Iwobi was off his game, Gana's lack of pace and limitations were shown up, and Onana had nobody to play with. If anyone was worse than McNeil and Doucoure it was the invisible man, Coady.

McNeil, to me, was responsible for the first goal and should have lashed it at goal but wouldn't have even hit the target if Doucoure's heels hadn't got in the way while he wasn't watching the ball. You couldn't really blame Pickford as he had three unmarked red shirts on the edge of his box and gambled on it beating the first man which it didn't and otherwise could only have made it slightly more difficult had he not taken the gamble. Their second was just piss-poor defending.

Simms had a poor game but got little if any support, should have done better early on with a half chance but every time he tried to win the ball with his back to goal and on his own he seemed barged in the back which the referee let go every time. The pace of Gray might have helped out while Maupay didn't add anything either.

The big question for me is why we didn't press them in their half earlier in the game or were we frightened of their pace on the break. Still, if Tarkowski's header goes in instead of against the post, then we might have seen a totally different result.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
146 Posted 14/02/2023 at 04:05:12
On the one hand, if Tarkowski or Davies can put away those chances, or if Gana or Coleman took a yellow card to stop the attack, or if Coady had just cleared the ball on that second goal — any combination of the above and we would have had a shot. I guess that can give us hope.

On the other hand, even if we somehow miraculously stay up, what's so depressing about watching us today is just how little class we have in our squad. With Calvert-Lewin perpetually injured, the only two players with any promise are Pickford and Onana. Pickford can't score goals and Onana is still quite young.

Maybe somehow we stay up and we sign a new striker and creative midfielder, and maybe Godfrey and Branthwaite hold down the central defense, and maybe Patterson takes a step up, and maybe Garner gets healthy and shows his quality. Maybe Mills and Warrington and Price and Welch will be ready.

But boy is it hard to find hope right now playing Gana (looks slow and has little skill on the ball), Iwobi out wide (where he looked lost for about two years), Doucoure (until he gets a run of games will look awful and even then will not be Premier League level with that touch), and on and on. Just so little quality.

For us to have any chance, we'll have to win about 5 games 1-0, scoring on headers off corners. It will be painful to watch however this goes down. I really wish I could be more optimistic, and I still have a bit of hope due to Dyche, but not much. But I'm wedded to this club no matter what, so onward we go.

Alan J Thompson
147 Posted 14/02/2023 at 04:53:05
Having now read all comments on the game, I can't agree with some who seem to think that Davies not putting his header away was some sort of reason for being down two-nil. Yes, he should have at least been on target but he was there to miss it.

But that isn't why we lost, it was because too many players had bad games way before he came on and which may be down to changing the game plan from the last game. At best, and possibly clutching at straws, we lost because a header hit the post. Whichever, a really disappointing performance all round!

David Currie
148 Posted 14/02/2023 at 05:20:45
Awful performance from every player, the mentality of the players is shocking. These players are not capable of winning 2 games in a row. The lack of desire and players not giving 100% effort for a new manager is alarming.

I hope after tonight that Dyche drops some of these players for the Leeds game. I would drop both full-backs and bring Mina in for Coady.

Steve Brown
149 Posted 14/02/2023 at 05:23:22
We sold or released the players who contributed just about all the goals and assists in the team over the last 4 seasons – James, Sigurdsson, Richarlison, Digne and Gordon.

That has been exacerbated by the ongoing injuries to our sole goal-scoring striker (but then he is ridiculed by many fans anyway just because of the way he chooses to dress off the field).

Numerous posters lauded these decisions and said that we were lucky to be rid of them. How lucky do we all feel now?

If you strip all the goals and assists from a squad, then you will be in a relegation fight every season.

Dave Lynch
150 Posted 14/02/2023 at 05:53:21
I've somewhat calmed down a bit.

Cutting through all the bullshit and analytical bollocks, I've come to the simple conclusion of…

We're simply fucking rubbish.

Laurie Hartley
151 Posted 14/02/2023 at 06:43:18
The one thing I didn't want our new manager to do in this game was play Iwobi. None of them were at it today but he would have been my first substitution. I wouldn't play him against Leeds – that is going to be a dogfight (I hope).
Jerome Shields
152 Posted 14/02/2023 at 06:48:41
This squad is threadbare, This is the result of prolonged mismanagement over years. It was never a squad composed with a long-term plan to win anything, but to survive in the Premier League.

Because the club management remained the same throughout, there was never a serious attempt to spec up on the skills to prepare the squad. Continuous financial mismanagement meant it was difficult to improve the squad, particularly as the best players were sold off, never to be replaced.

Transfer windows turned into last minute hunts for bargains, or loans when they did not materalise. Even they proved difficult as the reputation of the Club was indirectly trashed by the fake news of the Board.

You can only cry wolf for so long in trying to motive enough to fightback. Maybe Dyche can do enough to survive in the Premier League. He deserves our support in this difficult situation. He will try his best and the supporters will give him their full support. It would be a great help if the Board stayed away from games, we could do without distractions as could Dyche and the players.

It is all very difficult for the Fans. It is obvious that the team and the manager needs our unconditional support, but we need to see changes within the club to those that got us into this position, simply because we need to feel that our efforts are worthwhile after numerous disappointments.

It is no use Moshiri doing pullover interviews to pull one over on the fans that the present regime is adequate for survival in the Premier League when we all know that it is not.

Unfortunately this is where I see the situation as being at. A roller-coaster run-in to the end of the season is guaranteed, but maybe if Dyche can keep going with our support, we might have yet another chance of survival, and something might change in the club management. It is long overdue.

Bob Parrington
153 Posted 14/02/2023 at 06:58:44
Jerome, I agree with much of your sentiment but I can't come to grips with wanting the board members to stay away from games. This is a divide and be conquered attitude.

"United we stand but divided we fall" is a powerful statement. IMO, every board member should attend at least every remaining home game this season.

If we go down, then so be it, but they'll have no real excuse from the blame that comes at them for the wasted years.

Danny Baily
154 Posted 14/02/2023 at 07:07:43
Jonathan 146,

Pickford didn't have a great night. He's an erratic keeper, and you can't have that at any level of the game. First thing I'd do as manager is put Begovic as first choice.

His getting mugged off during the handbags at the end of the game was almost as bad as his positioning for the goals. Our last derby for a few years and we've gone out getting laughed at.

Steve Brown
155 Posted 14/02/2023 at 07:17:40
Yep let’s drop Iwobi from the team for Leeds.

He has the same number of assists this season as the rest of the squad combined.

Darren Hind
156 Posted 14/02/2023 at 07:29:17
We were all but relegated when Dyche came in. Now we have hope.

No manager comes in and changes a team which loses every week into a team which wins every week. He is still working with poor players and I fully expect the remainder of the season to resemble a patchwork quilt.

Seamus isn't fast enough anymore to play fair. He should have strangled both attacks for the RS goals at birth by introducing a darker side to his game. An RS player wouldn't have thought twice.

Mykolenko kind of proved his good performance last week was an exception as opposed to the rule.

Tawkowski and Coady are a truly lamentable pairing. I've got slugs on my patio that would do both of them over 20 yards.

Tarkowski is showing why he battles relegation so often. Unnecessary fouls, staggeringly poor passing and an over-active anal nerve in the face of a decent press.

Coady talks a decent game, but I don't think I have ever seen a centre-half have so many "quiet" games. How does he manage that in such a poor team? He's like a Jeff Beck song. Everywhere and nowhere.

If these two are not dropped, or at least separated, we have had it.

I felt sorry for young Simms. He's probably thinking, "If this is the service and support you get in the first team, you can shove it!"

McNeil is neat and tidy, but he needs to be put on a diet of raw meat.

I'm reluctant to talk about Tom Davies. I logged on here before the match to see the usual suspects had been doing their usual moronic derby day ritual of ignoring the hated enemy and dedicating their time to hammering the guy they have such a morbid obsession with... but there is something which can't be ignored anymore.

Nobody will ever confuse Tom Davies with a guy who can finish, but why does he get so many chances? Why does a player whose game time over the last two seasons has been restricted to the odd cameo appearance get more chances than Onana, Gana, Doucoure etc put together?

These guys could all learn something from Davies. He seems to have been watching the lottery adverts and understands the concept that you have to be in it to win it. In the absence of a striker, these guys have really got to understand the importance of being in it. I can't remember the last time any of them got a chance in the box from open play.

Much to do for Mr Dyche. So little time to do it. He will have learned as much last night as he did in the Arsenal game.

Two games in and he's already seen the good, the bad, and the downright fucking ugly.

Darren Hind
157 Posted 14/02/2023 at 07:51:44
I also meant to say that, not for the first time at Anfield, Pickford let down the Evertonians who had gone across the park.

It's not often a goalkeeper judges a situation so badly that he loses his bearings enough to allow a striker an unobstructed view of both goalposts.

Anyway. Anger unloaded.

We go again.

Steve Brown
158 Posted 14/02/2023 at 07:56:26
Darren, that's right.

Tom Davies might not be the best player in the world. But he always shows for the ball, looks to make a progressive pass, has positional discipline when needed, and makes well-timed runs. He missed the header, but his movement was great. I would take that all day over the discredited senior players we have had in midfield over the last 7 years.

I nearly passed out seeing one of our midfield making a dangerous run into the box.

Ian Jones
159 Posted 14/02/2023 at 07:58:10
Darren, I haven't read all the posts as I start from the last up. I am sure others have covered this.

Pickford may have misjudged it but, in his defence, he was clearly anticipating the ball going to the player beyond Salah. If the ball had reached that player and had Pickford saved it, he would have no doubt been hailed a genius.

However, perhaps, the fault also should be directed to those further up the field.

Also, to anyone thinking Davies should have scored with the header, if any of the best headers in the world had managed to score from that angle with a defender and goalie to beat, it would have been a wonder goal.

Mark Ryan
160 Posted 14/02/2023 at 08:05:40
I know you all hate Tom but I like the idea of trying to get him a run of games. There is a player in there. Iwobi has lost confidence. I think everyone froze. They looked scared. Dyche needs to get this lot up for Leeds or it is curtains. We have to be at it for the Leeds game.

Sad to see the board having an outing last night and still no real comment on headlock-gate. Did they feel safe at Anfield but not at Goodison? Pitiful and shameful.

Sam Hoare
161 Posted 14/02/2023 at 08:12:45
I (and others) said last week that our survival chances will depend heavily on the fitness of Calvert-Lewin and I feel last night underlined that. Simms is a decent young poacher but he doesn't have the skills to bully centre-backs and hold up the ball, neither do Maupay or Gray. The direct style Dyche wants will work best with a physical target man and the board really screwed up (once more) by not providing a Calvert-Lewin back-up in January.

Having said that, I thought we were decent-ish in the first half. They had almost zero chances until that breakaway and, had Tarkowski's header gone a few inches to the right, it would have been a very different game.

Coady inexplicably leaving that cross gave them an embarrassing second and then they grew in confidence and we receded. This Everton don't have the manager or players to score 2 goals or more often so going behind in matches will spell trouble.

Against Leeds, we have to hope that Calvert-Lewin is back and I'd bring in Mina (or even Keane) for the unhelpful Coady and probably Godfrey at one of the full-back spots.

Relegation wise, it's better for us to lose to the RS and beat Leeds than the other way around. Hoping the blunt performance last night gives rise to a thundering win on the weekend.

David Bromwell
162 Posted 14/02/2023 at 08:16:24
Well that was a very poor performance from everybody. I actually thought Tarkowski was our best player in terms of effort, in defence, midfield and attack but he too made far too many poor passes.

Realistically we should have been relegated last season, and this season's team is worse. I think the manager will need to make a number changes for Saturday, including finding a solution to our centre forward position. Hard to see any positives from this performance.

Eddie Dunn
163 Posted 14/02/2023 at 08:18:27
Darren, that is a very good point about Davies compared to our other midfielders who are never near the box.

On last night's game, I expected us to lose. We rarely do anything there (apart from the Covid game) and it was just the match for them to get back to winning ways.

It seemed from the off that every Red played fell over at the slightest contact and the ref went along with the script. On the other hand, if our lads went down, it was ignored. Slowly, they became more cofident and we retreated into our shells.

Tarkowski hit the post and the series of poor shots set them up. A crafty striker might have gambled on the rebound. A winger with balls might have hammered Simms's pass at goal, but Mc Neil somehow passed it against the gormless Doucoure.

Their break could and should have been nipped in the bud. Our lads are just not cynical or ruthless enough.

Tarkowski got his head to most things and for an hour did well but, l don't know if he tired but the last 20 mins he was like Bambi on Ice.

I am another who doesn't really understand why Coady is in the team. He was culpable again for the second goal but seemed to do nothing all game.

I thought Mykolenko was one of our better players. McNeil did little to cover him and he was often on the back foot, but he dug us out of some awkward situations several times.

Onana went missing for long periods. I though Gana did okay but the biggest problem was Iwobi constantly giving the ball away. He did it at both ends of the pitch.

We would have been better off going with 4-4-2 as Matip was nervous and we rattled him a few times early on.

Simms looks out of his depth and with nobody within 5 yards must have forgotten to brush his teeth.

I presume Dyche earmarked Leeds for Calvert-Lewin. The lad is going to be treated with kid gloves and, without him, we are toast.

Leeds brought in that Gnonto kid, full of pace and agression with an eye for goal. We will struggle to cope with him. If only we could have signed him for £3.8 million.

Jerome Shields
164 Posted 14/02/2023 at 08:23:51
Bob #153,

I can see where you are coming from; I suppose it is avoidance in my case, since I am thoroughly sickened by what has happened over the years. Yes, they should stand at games and at least and face the reality, like the rest of us.

I was having breakfast in a hotel in Glasgow this morning. At the next table were three workers in high-vis vests, all from Liverpool. They supported Liverpool and were glad of the win, since the team had been playing so badly lately.

They said they had friends who were Evertonians who they used to have the batter with. Because things are so bad, that does not happen anymore. I told them I didn't think Liverpool played well and the goals were soft goals. They all agreed.

Rob Halligan
165 Posted 14/02/2023 at 08:24:11
Ian, I agree with you about Pickford. It looks bad, but does anyone really think Salah wouldn't have scored if Pickford hadn't have been stood where he was?

When the cross came in, he was stood near the penalty spot, when he should have been more by the 6-yard line, but then this would have given Salah even more time to control the ball and slot it past Pickford.

Watching the goal from behind, there are actually three RS players in a central position without a defender near them, and anyone of those three would have scored. So, while it looks bad from a positional sense, I doubt very much Pickford would have saved the goal if he had been further back, and also not made a move to his left.

Ernie Baywood
166 Posted 14/02/2023 at 08:25:45
Ian, I'd have hit the target. My kids would hit the target.

I'm all for defending Tom, but that was a ball he saw for about 20 yards. It wasn't a difficult skill. His execution was pretty awful for a top-level player.

Robert Tressell
167 Posted 14/02/2023 at 08:40:04
Look at the team sheets and the subs bench. Of course we lost.

This isn't an example of a decent Everton team shitting its pants or Dyche getting tactics wrong or any such nonsense.

This is an example of a team with absolutely no attacking threat being taken apart by a team with Gakpo, Salah and Nunez (with Jota and Firminho on the bench).

Of course in the process of losing there were individual errors. But unfortunately without Calvert-Lewin and a home crowd, this wasn't going to be a good game for us.

We are where we are primarily because of the quality of our squad – and the weakest attack in the division by some measure. Much inferior to Bournemouth, Saints and Forest.

They were underperforming under Lampard but not by much.

Brent Stephens
168 Posted 14/02/2023 at 08:45:12
If we'd lost to Arsenal (as expected) and won at Anfield (as hoped), the feeling on here would have been a lot different and much more upbeat.

Put aside the fact that it was the RS last night. Much more important than bragging rights is avoiding relegation. So, in that context, 3 points from 6 from the last two games, against teams significantly higher in the table, is very acceptable. Very acceptable.

So, on to the Leeds and Villa games, with a test for Dyche to get this lot up for it again.

Dan Coultas
169 Posted 14/02/2023 at 08:52:02
Whilst this was always going to be a tough game whatever form that lot are in, I still foolishly expected more from this team after the Arsenal game, which once again highlights the absolute inability to put in a consistent performance from this lot.

Iwobi looks a fraction of the player he was last season in the centre and I really think we need to accommodate him back there again or drop him. As for McNeil, I cannot for the life of me understand what he offers as a footballer: no pace, no football intelligence, no skill, no creativity. Absolutely woeful.

Once again, the board have left us absolutely bereft of attacking options and sadly I'm struggling to see us scoring enough goals to keep us afloat this season. Bad times and absolutely atrocious mismanagement of our beloved club.

Up the Blues, sack the Board.

Michael Lynch
170 Posted 14/02/2023 at 09:00:50
Robert @167, I agree. Not just the Shite, but every other club seems to have options all over the park.

They might not be the best options but the fact that we have no choice but to throw in Ellis Simms, who at 22 is no longer a bright prospect but already seems to be destined for a Championship career or lower, shows we are a club from a bygone era.

The Premier League has shifted up another notch, It's now become the de facto Super League, and we are simply not fit for purpose. Even the most recent change in the rules – allowing five subs – seems to have caught us by surprise. We have nothing on the bench, and it's not because of injuries – we haven't had many of those yet, but surely will – it's because we are the only team in the Premier League not to have strengthened in response to that rule change.

In all honesty, it breaks my heart, but we deserve to go down. We are not good enough, and it's the club's own fault.

I'll still be turning up to watch us play the likes of Reading and Hull, but the fans have been let down in the most unacceptable way by those in charge at the club.

Lee Robinson
171 Posted 14/02/2023 at 09:05:33
Genuinely one of the worst performances by any team I have seen, never mind Everton, and never mind at Anfield. I am not exaggerating — that was horrendous. The one player I will let off is Tarkowski who I thought was up for it but the rest, truly woeful.

There is a reason why Doucoure has been nowhere near the first team; he must give the ball away with every touch, treats the ball like a hot potato.

I felt sorry that Simms had to be hung out to dry like that, although he could have looked like he wanted to be there.

There is absolutely no chance that squad of players has it in them to stay in this league. From what I have seen of the other teams, Leeds will run them ragged this Saturday and game over. It would take a miracle and it's not going to happen from a known squad of bottle jobs who panic when they get in the opposition's half.

Kim Vivian
172 Posted 14/02/2023 at 09:05:48
Although 3 points from the last two games is more than most of us expected, with 2 points being the hope of the most optimistic, in reality, I think 2 draws and 2 points would have left us feeling more upbeat this morning.

Last night was dire and does not bode well for the up coming games and the Arsenal win was a welcome relief but quite fortunate on the day. Two hard-earned draws, with better consecutive displays, I would have preferred in a way.

However, that extra point against Arsenal may be the one that keeps us up in May. "Fortunes turn on a sixpence"... and all that.

Tony Abrahams
173 Posted 14/02/2023 at 09:24:33
Pickford looks bad because it was bad. This is something you might attempt to do if you're having a little bit of a laugh with your mate in training, but in a Merseyside derby, it is simply an atrocious decision. A goalkeeper is supposed to make it harder for the opposition, Pickford made it so much easier.

A very good post, Darren, until you got to Tom Davies, mate. You know I don't mind Tom, and I can also understand why you constantly back him up, but if that's in training, he would score, or make the keeper work every single time, although I definitely agree that this isn't the reason we lost the game.

We lack so much professionalism: two clever fouls and Liverpool don't cut us open twice on the counter-attack. But we lack more than anything the desire to roll up our sleeves, immerse ourselves in the game, and play with the effort and desire, that means you will enjoy it. In other words… Feint – not Faint.

Paul Tran
174 Posted 14/02/2023 at 09:25:43
We were up against a side with an abundance of pace and better players. Who's surprised we lost?

We needed to keep it tight and score first. We had no focal point up front – no criticism of Simms, who worked hard. They did to us what we did to Arsenal. Both goals were poor from our view.

Onto the next game.

Last night changes nothing. We're in a 16-game mini-league. It's in our hands.

Andy Crooks
175 Posted 14/02/2023 at 09:26:18
It was a performance full of fear, shot confidence and simply being not good enough.

What intrigues me is the obsession that some posters have with our players' dress sense and how they feel it is an issue. Like we would be top four without this unsavoury girliness.

Too much protesting, I think.

Trevor Peers
176 Posted 14/02/2023 at 09:32:13
No surprise last night for me. This is the way it's going to be right to the bitter end of this nightmare season. In our home games, I expect us to at least fight like hell, but all our away games will be a desperate struggle for points.

We critically lack creativity and firepower and it's anyone's guess if we will stay up. Dyche will try his best to get them to fight but our fate is now in the lap of the gods. If we go down Dyche will be responsible for rebuilding the entire shitshow of a team, what a monumental task that will be.

Alec Gaston
177 Posted 14/02/2023 at 09:45:49
Darren @156,

I think your point about separating Coady and Tarkowski is really important — I think this will be one of the main factors in us staying up.

Darren Hind
178 Posted 14/02/2023 at 09:47:51

Absolutely he should have buried it, or at least make the keeper work. No arguments from me, but that's not really the point I was making.

I want to know why he gets so many chances despite so little game time, when others who play far more regularly treat the opposition box as a complete no-go zone.

Andy Crooks.@175. Final sentence;

Nail. Head

Brian Harrison
179 Posted 14/02/2023 at 09:51:40
I have banged on for months and months about our lack of goalscorers in this squad. Lampard and Thelwell should hang their heads in shame in what they have left Dyche.

Last season, we had Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin for some of the time and their goals largely kept us up. But we lose Richarlison in June and our manager and our DOF decide we need a new centre-bck pairing and 4 midfield players who don't score goals.

Then Calvert-Lewin gets injured a week before the season starts. So we start the season with McNeil as the leading striker, then change that to Gordon. This was 5 games before we bought Maupay whose goal-per-game ratio is awful, so how was that going to solve the problems of scoring goals?

We have won 2 of 27 away games, and are the lowest goal scorers in the Premier League; how Dyche changes this, I shudder to think.

I would argue that both Tarkowski and Coady are no better than what we had, and it's arguable that they are in fact worse than what we had.

In midfield, we have a 6ft-4in player who should be christened 'Anonymous' as he disappears for large portions of games he has played. People tell me he has potential… well, that may be so, but we need players who can perform now – not in 12 months time.

I felt sorry for Simms, he was given little or no support; I suspect he was relieved to be taken off.

How you let a side break on you so easily for the first goal is unprofessional. As soon as the ball was played out of the box by them, we should have fouled the player in possession and stopped the move right away. I am sick and tired of Iwobi and McNeil, who carry no goal threat and play more like auxiliary fullbacks.

Sean Dyche will have to work miracles to keep us from relegation, even the clubs around us have goals in them. Our only chance is from a corner-kick or a free-kick.

Mark Ryan
180 Posted 14/02/2023 at 09:52:03
So much for 4-4-2 under Dyche. Again, a lone striker abandoned and alone up front.

Iwobi looks like the boy playing in front of his pushy parents and is too scared to do anything in case he makes a mistake. Someone needs to get inside his head and I'm not being flippant. He has a psychological issue preventing him from playing without fear. It needs addressing so we can unlock the talent that is clearly in the lad.

Steve Cotton
181 Posted 14/02/2023 at 10:00:28
If Calvert-Lewin isn't fit, they need to bring in an out-of-contract player by tomorrow latest, we cannot rely on Simms and Maupay.

Last night the RS had 6 strikers to pick from we had 1 – an untested kid: Sarah, Gakpo, Jota, Firminho, Nunes and soon-to-be-back Diaz. Probably a few good U21s too…

This club needs a new board and new investment fast.

Alec Gaston
182 Posted 14/02/2023 at 10:12:04
We have a team full of misfits.

Those who are resilient: Coady, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Coleman, Gana aren't good enough. Those who are good enough: Gray, Iwobi, Calvert-Lewin aren't resilient.

Then there are those who are neither good enough nor resilient – pretty much the rest of them.

I find it hard to fully explain what I mean and certainly don't have the answers – let's hope Dyche and his team do. At this point, Michael Keane upfront would provide more chance of goals than any of the fit forwards at the club.

Craig Walker
183 Posted 14/02/2023 at 10:16:48
Due to work commitments and finishing at 9 pm, I only got to see the second-half which is the first time I've missed following a derby game.

I don't think I've ever seen an Everton performance where so many players just gifted the ball straight to a red shirt. Coady seems to think he is Beckenbauer, spraying passes but they go straight to the opposition or in touch. Coleman played it straight to a Liverpool midfield player in the centre of the park under no pressure. I lost count how many times Tarkowski just surrendered the ball.

I've never understood the high regard that Idrissa Gueye was held in during his first spell but his second spell has been an umitigated disaster. He consistently passes backwards or surrenders possession and, when the opposition break, it's like he's running in treacle.

If you showed me the positions of the players from the first goal and I didn't know who the two teams were, I would know that it was Everton who conceded that goal. Remember the Man Utd game at home when Iwobi lost it in a good position and 15 seconds later, Ronaldo buries it in front of the Gwladys Street End?

It happens so many times. Villa away at the start of the season. Why are we so vulnerable when we're in their half of the field in good positions? The reason, I suspect is that we have too many slow players.

I didn't get caught up in the euphoria of the win against Arsenal because the RS, even with their recent travails, are 100 times better than we are. That's just fact. They have better footballers.

Dyche needs to find a solution to the Calvert-Lewin conundrum because, even when he's on the pitch, he's largely ineffective.

It's going to have to be down to the Goodison faithful to rally the players. Again.

Mark Murphy
184 Posted 14/02/2023 at 10:19:46
I'm nervous about 4-4-2 though – doesn't that leave us overrun in midfield? Would Onana & Doucoure be able to protect the defence?

If 4-4-2 is an option, though, I would go with this v Leeds:

Patterson Mina Tarkowski Godfrey
Gray Onana Davies McNeil
Iwobi Maupay (assuming sparrer legs isn't fit)

Mike Owen
185 Posted 14/02/2023 at 10:28:34
Mark, yes, 4-4-2 would conceivably see us under more pressure in midfield. But the opposition would be spending more periods of time pressed back. And I've seen Maupay running back into our half to harass opposition players.

However, the bottom line is we have got to score more goals. And to do that, we have to create a lot more chances.

I certainly agree with your earlier comment that Allan is a big miss this season. My theory is we wanted his wages off the books.

Dave Abrahams
186 Posted 14/02/2023 at 10:34:51
Mark (184),

I agree after last night that the central midfield needs reshaping but you leave Onana in the side and drop Gana and Doucoure?

While none of them played well last night, Onana was the least effective, he gets plenty of praise on here as a future great player. To me, he stands out as being very frugal with his talent which he hides very well.

Danny O’Neill
187 Posted 14/02/2023 at 10:43:45
I've been through most of the posts, but I'll give my own view.

Good points from Darren, great perspective from Brent. We lost a match. Hard work ahead but we are not toast or done.

I'm sat next to a London kopite on the train home who I told to remove his hat. He did. We had a conversation and both agreed, we were not far off them last night. The difference is what we all know. We are toothless and have no goal threat. They do, but they are in decline as a team.

I don't really do the player rating thing, but just to put a few thoughts out there.

Pickford, despite his increasing maturity and making a couple of outstanding saves, lost his head. He is a frustrated figure. At one point, and not for the first time in the last few matches, I thought he was going to join me in the Anfield Road as he walked towards the Evertonians. I was shouting for him to turn around and focus on the pitch!

Liverpool's style of switching and playing wide meant the fullbacks were always in for a hard shift. I thought Mykolenko had a good game and Seamus gave everything and more as always.

Onana was our best player again, in my opinion. Gueye done what he does and broke the game up. Iwobi seems to be going back to that player who is confused and doesn't know what to do. Maybe it's because there is nothing in front of him.

I don't get the Tom Davies thing. Okay, he fluffed his big moment, but he didn't do a lot wrong and by the time he came on, he had little opportunity to impact the game.

I thought Tarkowski done as well as he could and won a lot of challenges. Coady was poor. I know I'm a sucker for punishment, but hearing the Kopites in the Arkles cheer him on watching the highlights was nerve-tingling. I was a lone voice.

Onto Simms. The boy done well but was totally isolated and had no-one to play off him.

Small margins. That one goes in off the post and we win that.

Let's get up for the next one.

We didn't play badly. We lost a derby and I'm hurting as much as anyone. But I see improvement in the effort and commitment.

Still confused about the over-the-top police presence. We're all relatives.

Brian Harrison
188 Posted 14/02/2023 at 10:55:19
Just shows how opinions differ. Dave Abrahams and I think Onana is massively over-rated and contributed very little. While Danny O'Neill thought he was our best player. As Alex Ferguson said "Football, bloody football".

Just on another point that Danny touched on, I wasn't at the game but saw quite a few pictures posted before the game showing a heavy police and stewards seemingly preventing our fans getting to the turnstiles – this was 30 minutes before kick-off.

No doubt most of the sports channels will be covering Uefa's report into the authorities were totally to blame for Liverpool supporters with tickets not being allowed to enter the ground for their Champions League final in Paris. Maybe some questions need to be asked as to why this happened? And I believe the same thing happened last season, so why?

Christy Ring
189 Posted 14/02/2023 at 10:58:50
Jim #69 & Paul #124,

Try and grow up and stop showing your ignorance. Jim when would a pain-killing injection cure a hamstring injury?

Jerome #108,

I believe Calvert-Lewin would have made a huge difference, no disrespect to Simms, he's not as physical and as mobile as Dom. I don't blame him, no experience in the Premier League.The board hung the manager out to dry, knowing a striker was a must in the window.

I felt sorry for Coleman and Mykolenko they were overrun with Arnold and Robertson overlapping with Iwobi and McNeil passengers. I'd still start Holgate and Godfrey at full-back on Saturday with Mina and Tarkowski or Keane.

Hope Garner is fit, and would start Davies ahead of Doucoure, and Iwobi on the bench. Calvert-Lewin is vital, if he's not fit we're in big bother.

Hope the board stay away, we're the worst-run club in the Premier League, and to sell Richarlison and Gordon for £45M, 4 days before the window closed and not to bring in a couple of forwards… astonishing.

The redshite complaining over the report after the Champions League final, after what happened in Paris, 30 years after Hillsborough, no problem with that, but they seemed to forget to mention that Heysel did happen

Paul Hewitt
190 Posted 14/02/2023 at 11:01:25
Danny @187.

How many Norwegian relatives have you got?

Paul Smith
191 Posted 14/02/2023 at 11:05:51
We were awful last night, miles off the pace. No sugar coating it. No "if only Tarkowski scores the header" and "small margins".

The margin was huge, a fucking abyss of difference in speed and quality. It was really disappointing and there is a real demonstrable chance we will be relegated. I'm preparing emotionally for it.

Lee Robinson
192 Posted 14/02/2023 at 11:25:16
For a side who takes forever building up an overly simple attacking phase with very limited overloading in the few attacks we have, we don't half get picked off on the counter easily every week.

I don't think I saw one tackle yesterday unless I missed it. After apparently having Peter Reid in this week to rile them up, I expected to at least be first to every second ball or at least show them we were up for it, but we did neither.

Although the first 20 minutes were quite tight, and Liverpool looked for once more nervous than we did, there was a breakaway where, as soon as we got to the edge of their box we shit ourselves. I could see the mind set change from both sides in that moment, they thought "They have nothing" and we agreed; game therefore handed over on a silver platter.

Danny O’Neill
193 Posted 14/02/2023 at 11:38:58
It was awkward at best trying to get into that ground last night. They couldn't have made it more difficult.

I got taken aside for a search with a search dog and I'm one of the most passive people you will meet.

I complied but they made it very difficult. Even around the streets of Goodison. A good job I kept my calm because a lot were getting antagonised.

Only Speke and Garston, Paul. Grandparents from Belfast and Glasgow. Inlaws I can claim Northern Ireland and the West Midlands, but none are Evertonians. Quite a few Kopites in that mix though.

Len Hawkins
194 Posted 14/02/2023 at 11:41:00
I got one thing out of the game: In all my years of watching football, I can honestly say I haven't seen two more amateurish goals conceded by any team, let alone Everton.

I think the fall from grace has finally reached rock bottom.
Although relegation is a horrible thought, I can't see any other outcome with this team, they don't deserve to stay up.

Kevin Molloy
195 Posted 14/02/2023 at 11:50:31
I just watched the goals.

The first one is world class. It's the sort of goal modern coaches dream about, and the speed of the Liverpool forwards is undefendable. They would have scored that goal against any opposition.

The second is just terrible. Really really poor. If I was Tarkowski, I would not have been happy with Coady there, he was a bag of shite.

Christopher Timmins
196 Posted 14/02/2023 at 11:57:38
Pickford will be fine, prone to craziness but he kept us up last season and win us more points than he losses between now and the end of the season.

We can't play a high line with the talent available to us unless we drop Coady and play Godfrey. When Patterson is fit he come in but until then we have to keep going with Seamus.

We can get by with our midfield options, perhaps plat Iwobi in behind Calvert-Lewin or Simms but not in an area where if he loses possession that we have a major problem. Have we a player at the club who is happy to sit in front of the back four and stay there for the duration of the game?

We lost Charlie and Gordon and have Simms, Maupay and McNeil, therefore, we are weaker up top than at the end of last season.

A big task to stay up but it can be done, however, it's going to be a battle.

When Bournemouth needed a hand we were there to help them out, when Wolves, Southampton, West Ham and Liverpool needed a similar helping hand, we delivered, next up Leeds Utd, we cannot afford to lose next Saturday afternoon.

Joe McMahon
197 Posted 14/02/2023 at 12:15:39
Barry, this team wont get out of the Championship. For promotion a team needs pace and goals. Burnley got it Last time with a younger prolific Danny Ings. Burnley with Kompany are loaded with pace and goals. Even Boro have started scoring under new manager Michael Carrick.

We would require 3 new strikers, and at least 3 new midfielders (no one is gonna take Davies or Gana). Onana will be gone, and thankfully Pickford. Coady can piss off back to Wolves and hopefully Seamus realises it really is time to call it a day before blubbering Bill gives him an extended contract until he's 40, as he Gets Everton and he's one of us.

Since 1977 been following this club, even the 4 years we were good the custodians never built on it. Decades of neglect, living on a few past glories from many years ago is finally showing, and the way back will be very-very difficult.

I'm not being a doom merchant, but how do we expect a team that doesn't score goals (and hasn't since Marco Silva) to start winning games.

I've just seen the Davies miss again, its incredible.

Neil Halliwell
198 Posted 14/02/2023 at 12:36:13
On the positive side, we now know that Davies as well as Doucouré don't know how to head a ball so crosses to them are wasted.
Kevin Molloy
199 Posted 14/02/2023 at 12:43:34

There is no pace on the ball. If you watch it, the cross dies on him in the last 5 yards and he loses the track of it.

If it was Trevor Steven sending that ball over it stays on its trajectory and with twice the pace.

Ian Edwards
201 Posted 14/02/2023 at 12:45:06
Mark @184,

If we are going to play 4-4-2, then the two up front should be forwards. Two of Calvert-Lewin, Simms and Maupay.

Tony Abrahams
202 Posted 14/02/2023 at 13:13:30
I remember Liverpool going down to ten men, and Alonso, still running the midfield, but this was in the plucky little Everton era, at a time when Everton were doing brilliant and constantly punching above their weight.

I should be wiser now I’m older, because although I expected us to lose last night, it’s the fact that our board, have made quite a few headlines today, that makes me feel both angry, and nauseous.

What’s it going to take for Bill Kenwright, to fuck off, Relegation?

Talking of relegation, it’s a massive fear, but my own personal feelings are that it is probably going to be the best way for Everton football club, to have a complete reset. I’m aware we could be financially fucked, but I also believe we are emotionally fucked, and after giving quite a lot of thought to it over the last few very boring years, I’m definitely prepared to take my chances, on Everton rebounding as a much stronger and more positive club.

Quite simply, I’m prepared to try anything if it means we can finally get rid of the absolute and inept poison, that have led us for way to many horribly boring years.

Look at our forwards. Talk about playing 4-4-2, and then look at what you have got to play it. No wonder we are in such a bad position.

Paul Hewitt
203 Posted 14/02/2023 at 13:51:37
Tony@204. I agree, relegation wouldn't be a disaster for the club. It could actually save it.
Barry Hesketh
204 Posted 14/02/2023 at 14:04:37
I'm sorry, but relegation wouldn't solve the clubs' problems it would amplify them ten-fold. There is no simple solution to the issues we face, but relegation isn't in any way shape or form a plus.

If we do go down, the two sides who joined us, would likely be in a better position to be promoted automatically, we might have a chance of top six, but then would face the vagaries of play-offs and the gamble that we would return to the top flight at the first attempt, is too much even for the current owner and board to contemplate.

The board should do the right thing and step aside now, and allow some new blood to give some fresh ideas and input to a club that is failing so badly it defies logic.

We have 16 games to at least try and retain our top-flight status, it's a tough ask, but somehow the team and fans have to believe they can do it - if we don't, I really fear for the future of the club, financially and competitively.

Relegation is a good thing? Don't make me laugh.

Tony McNulty
205 Posted 14/02/2023 at 14:09:41
In the immediate aftermath of Lampard's departure, most if us would have been happy for three out of six points against Arsenal and the RS.

Plenty of games left to turn this around. All is not lost if we don't beat Leeds but a scrappy 1-0 win would go down well.

Tony Abrahams
206 Posted 14/02/2023 at 14:26:43
I feel much happier going into these games with Dyche rather than Lampard, Tony, but where are the second phases, and a lot more importantly, where are the goals going to come from, without having a genuine centre forward, in our starting line up?
Darren Hind
207 Posted 14/02/2023 at 14:34:06

Davies missed a good chance, but to call it "incredible" makes you sound like you havent seen or played in a match before.

Chances of this nature are missed up and down the country every week.

Talk up the missed opportunity all you like, but when Romelu Lukaku ( The guy you talk about so often) missed four easier chances in one single match in the world cup. You didnt say a word.

Unlike TD. Lukaku is a striker. He wasnt having his first touch and he wasnt coming on cold with 10 minutes to go.

Lukaku missed four absolute sitters which meant the team many believed to be the most talented in the competition was going home. He didnt just let down a nation. he compounded it by crying like a baby because it hadnt gone his way.

THAT ! My friend, is what you call "incredible".

See the difference. ?

Kieran Kinsella
208 Posted 14/02/2023 at 14:38:11
Tom has missed a number of easy chances this season but makes up for it in other ways. All his assists, his brilliant dribbling, visionary passing, speed, technique, his incredible tackling ability. He must be from the League of Shadows.
Danny O’Neill
209 Posted 14/02/2023 at 14:41:17
Sorry, another random one, but to my conversation with the London Red on the way home this morning.

I get helped out a lot. Friends and family get me tickets at face value. Some have to upgrade at minimal cost. Some give me them for free, which I don't always like. But always with honesty and trust.

The Kopite I spoke to this morning paid £450 to sit about 50 yards from me.

Now I spend a lot of money on Everton, mainly on travel, but that is ridiculous.

I almost felt for him.


Jerome Shields
210 Posted 14/02/2023 at 14:46:12
Jerome Shields
211 Posted 14/02/2023 at 14:46:13

The only time that relegation would have been good was when Everton beat Wimbledon to survive relegation, when the Evertonian kiss the centre circle spot.I actually thought he would be a good thing then.
Now as you say it would be a disaster, drop in revenue, losing money already and coming under Football League Profitability rules, would sink the Club.

Many delusional Evertonians refer to some Everton players as ' only Championship players', but the truth is they would struggle in the Championship.

I would be surprised if aTony does not know all this anyway.We are in frustrating times.

Andrew Ellams
212 Posted 14/02/2023 at 14:52:42
Tony Mc @ 208, my fear is that we have one goal and one off the post in those two games, both from set pieces.

From open play we've seen some horrible misses from Doucoure and Davies and Calvert-Lewin should have had at least one vs Arsenal. Where are the goals going to come from?

Darren Hind
213 Posted 14/02/2023 at 14:59:02
Oh dear post 214.... Its obsessives time again. First chance to put the boot in seized upon in one post

We've just been twatted by the shite without a semi decent performance from anybody. We are battling what many believe to be a certain drop.

Yet after hammering Davies before the match despite the fact that he was never going to be selected. The only player they can talk about after the match is him The guy who was sent on when the game was already lost.

I wonder if the obsessives actually watch the game or see this place as some sort of bag wash where they can come and bitch about their favorite hate figure.

We used to have such a Knowledgeable fan base. but a section has been replaced by a load of Dot Cotton`s telling us where we are REALLY going wrong..

Mark Taylor
214 Posted 14/02/2023 at 15:06:40
I suppose acceptance (of our fate) comes from seeing the same thing happen repeatedly over a long period of time. That means it isn't loss of form or confidence or even tactics. It means it's how it is.

When we had a goal threat- and not that much of one- we had Richie, a fit DCL and Gordon. Now we have McNeil, Maupay, Iwobi and Simms. Go figure on that.

We also have some of the slowest players in the EPL. McNeil, Maupay, Coady, Doucoure, Coleman and others. You can hide one, maybe two but not half a team.

As with last year, we rely on 3 other teams being even worse. That's not remotely so certain this time around. Even the two most likely, Southampton and Bournemouth, have both beaten us handily recently. Who else is worse than us?

Joe McMahon
215 Posted 14/02/2023 at 15:14:24
Dazza@208, Davies isn't a striker I agree, but he's been at Everton many years and can't cement a regular place. I know you are a fan, but he needs to leave for first team football like JJK did (he may have benefited from a loan, but too late now)

The reason I still talk about Lukaku is he was the last genuine goalscorering striker we've had in a very long time. RE the world cup thats on Martinez as he'd not started a match for weeks after an injury. He was too rusty to play.

Nothing else to say, we are all pissed off (again).

Darren Hind
216 Posted 14/02/2023 at 15:24:29

Ive never been a fan. I am an admirer of his courage, I think hes better than the likes of Doucoure and offers more to the team, but I have never claimed he was a good player. so please don't say it.

I just get pissed off by posts like yours which totally ignore the shite in front of you to focus on a player who is only ever on the periphery.....Do you really think that miss was "incredible" ? or did you just say that because of who missed it. I suspect it was the latter.

Breaking news...There are about 20 players who need to leave this club if we are to go forward.

When players who don't play are bashed. it stops being about football.

Robert Tressell
217 Posted 14/02/2023 at 15:26:22
We've just played 2 very strong sides and probably rightly used a 451 to avoid being overrun. With DCL that works but it's too much for Simms. Even then 3 points should be treated as a plus.

We now hit a few games where we can contest it more like a 4411 / 442 with Simms and Maupay up top together. Gray can feature more too.

Simms won't improve back on the bench or with fanciful / daft suggestions of playing Keane or Mina up front. He just needs a bit of help and Maupay can do that.

Worth sticking with him if DCL is unfit. He's a very good finisher b⁰ut needs a chance to acclimatise to the big step up.

Bill Gall
218 Posted 14/02/2023 at 15:29:23
First lets stop slamming Thelwell and his staff for not bringing in a striker in January. The real reason is that with the incompetence from the owner and board they have created an environment in the club of such instability that players don't want to come.

Thelwell tried but the problem at the club reared its ugly head and turned players away, with the prime example being the player who was ready to put his signature on a contract but turned round and went to Tottenham, there were other players who openly stated they preferred going to Southampton and Nottingham than Everton. This shocked me as I always believed that no player would turn down a chance to come to Everton.

About last nights game, Everton should bring in a specialist to find out why Everton players freeze as soon as they step onto the Anfield pitch.

Without going into individual performances good or bad, there was no problems we were beaten before the K.O. by a better team that had most players on the bench that would get into an Evertons starting team.

I suppose the crude way to describe Dyche's problem is, from following previous managers picking up dog shit , he has ended up behind a Team of Clydes - dales.

Ray Robinson
219 Posted 14/02/2023 at 15:31:36
Mark #215, I agree totally. If Southampton and Bournemouth are worse than us - and that’s debatable - who else can we catch? Leeds? but not if we lose to them on Saturday. Nottingham Forest? but only if we can win at the City ground. I believe West Ham, Wolves and Leicester will pull clear easily. It can be done but the odds are shortening.

Relegation would be a financial disaster. There is never a good time to get relegated from the Premier League. It would also mean the likes of Rob Halligan having to travel the length and breadth of the country for Friday and Monday night matches for televised games, as Sky always home in on fallen giants for maximum TV audiences for Championship games.

Brian Harrison
220 Posted 14/02/2023 at 15:48:42
Just seen a stat that shows that we are in 20th position for goals scored, 19th for shots on target and 18th for chances created. I think Sean Dyche has got a massive job on his hands to turn these stats around, plus he is having to do it with no transfer window to get new players in.

Bill 219 I absolutely agree that we need a sports psychologist to try and sort out why we freeze when we play at Anfield. I would suggest we need a psychologist to work permanently with our players, who seem to freeze on a regular basis.

I know you said let's stop slamming Thelwell, but surely he has to take responsibility along with Lampard as to why we have so few alternatives to Calvert-Lewin.

Denis Richardson
221 Posted 14/02/2023 at 15:53:48
Leeds is the main game, followed by Villa. Get 4 or 6 points from these two and yesterday is not relevant anymore.

Perform like we did against Arsenal with the Goodison Park crowd and we'll be back on track. Not all doom and gloom, loads of games left and Leeds are just as much of a shambles as we are.

Big game next!

Robert Tressell
222 Posted 14/02/2023 at 15:55:54
We don't need a sports psychologist.

We need more money and better players.

Anthony Flack
223 Posted 14/02/2023 at 15:59:09
My worry is Leeds seem to have 'fire in their bellies' and several players who could score — that's more than we have on both counts.

Worried but not over.

I also wonder if Palace might start to slip, someone usually does!

Rob Halligan
224 Posted 14/02/2023 at 16:03:47
If anyone who is a season ticket holder, and has already renewed for next season, then have a look at “your tickets” on the club website. I assume you will know where to look, and what you see may well shock you.
Lee Courtliff
225 Posted 14/02/2023 at 16:11:25
It's not that we lost, it's that we made them look good when everyone else has made them look shite for the last month!!

Rob, what will they see? I don't have a season ticket so can't check myself.

Barry Hesketh
226 Posted 14/02/2023 at 16:13:16
Rob @225

I've just had a look but can't find anything that is 'shocking' unless you mean they have 19 games for next season penciled in? You'll have to be specific on what I'm looking for.

Rob Halligan
227 Posted 14/02/2023 at 16:19:39
Barry, that's it. They have given all dates for Premier League games, with opponents to be confirmed.

Maybe not a shock as such, but it looks like the club are banking on definitely being in the Premier League next season. Suppose it's easily adjusted, to say Championship 2023-24 season!

Barry Hesketh
228 Posted 14/02/2023 at 16:23:03
Rob @228,

The only real surprise is that they didn't put the losing scorelines down for the possible 'derby' dates.

Bobby Mallon
229 Posted 14/02/2023 at 16:25:56
Why do people keep saying we need 4 to 6 points from our next two games? When have we ever beaten teams in or around us this season?

We have won 4 games? We are not very good, don't have a striker, and play predictable long-ball footy.

Will Mabon
230 Posted 14/02/2023 at 16:31:36
Bobby, it's called optimism and hope, but is it reality?

We needed a point from last night's game really. In fact we can barely afford to do again what we've mostly done all season; lose.

Joe McMahon
231 Posted 14/02/2023 at 16:41:01
Darren, probrably a bit of both, it's just frustration as we rarely see goals. You don't need me to tell you we have won 4 matches all season.

Maybe I do single Davies out, I can still see him passing to Mina in an offside position at Old Trafford rather than shooting late on. That would have won us the match and a win at Old Trafford for Rafa!

He lacks confidence; it's just unfortunate that a Premier League team regular would need this, and it's again a wrong decision years ago that he didn't go out on loan for a full season, probably around 2018.

Re Doucoure, correct – nowhere near enough goals in a position that requires more.

John Raftery
232 Posted 14/02/2023 at 16:43:05
Forget this defeat.

Having attended 50 consecutive Anfield league derbies before the pandemic, I have seen many worse performances than last night's.

I did not see a lack of effort. There was a lack of quality in key moments of pressure and of course we continued to struggle to create chances in open play.

It was one of those performances in which our team would produce a moment of individual class but follow with a moment of individual error, usually in the final third where it really matters.

Survival will obviously be dependent on taking points from the teams close to us in the Premier League table. Those points would be of more value than for example the last four we gained against Man City and Arsenal.

Losing to Bournemouth, Wolves, Southampton and West Ham has put us in an extremely perilous position. Indeed by virtue of denying opponents 2 points, four draws in those games would have put us in a relatively better place than we now find ourselves.

That means a win against Leeds on Saturday is imperative. They are another team against whom we dare not leave ourselves open to the counter-attack.

Ray Robinson
233 Posted 14/02/2023 at 16:55:57
John Raftery,

50 consecutive league matches at Anfield. Take a bow! You deserve a medal. I don't know how your heart has withstood all that tension. I find it hard to watch any derby game – home or away.

Ian Edwards
234 Posted 14/02/2023 at 16:59:36
It has to be said that, had Lampard been sacked after Bournemouth, then we would be higher in the Premier League.

The fans in my view protested against the wrong target at the wrong time and it could end in relegation as a result given the winnable home games Lampard lost after Bournemouth. Not a popular opinion but undoubtedly correct.

Brent Stephens
235 Posted 14/02/2023 at 17:02:35
Ian #235,

"Not a popular opinion but undoubtedly correct."

Pure gold, Ian.

Tony Abrahams
236 Posted 14/02/2023 at 17:12:15
Come on, Brent, he's only looking for solutions.
Brent Stephens
237 Posted 14/02/2023 at 17:15:07
We all are, Tony!
Mark Taylor
238 Posted 14/02/2023 at 17:33:27
Ian @235,

This pre-supposes that we, as supporters, can only consider one issue at one time and only in one mode. But not only is it possible to protest against the manager at the same time as protesting against the board, it is also possible to support the manager at the same time as protesting against the charlatans and nonentities who own and run our club. In fact, that is exactly what we are now doing.

This is what I describe as 'correct'...

Pete Clarke
239 Posted 14/02/2023 at 17:38:07
We are getting very close to seeing the result of many years of absolutely shocking mismanagement. We escaped last season with a clear warning to improve but unbelievably we have gotten a lot worse. In that aspect alone, we deserve to go down and deep down I think we are all preparing for it.

There is no end to the stupidness of how this club has been run, with Bill Kenwright the main culprit, closely followed by our owner. I cannot stomach these people any more with their constant fuck-ups, lies and ignorance, so it's imperative that they leave the club regardless of our status next season.

I would be happy with Kenwright and his board being replaced, though, so at a minimum, this has to happen. We should not let up on the protests.

We are about to go into a run of games that will be gut-wrenching for us all because of what's on the line but, at the same time, we don't really trust the team to get the job done, just as we saw against Liverpool.

As ever, the supporters will be there to try and lift them but we need a massive response against Leeds to get the 3 points. Dyche needs to find the formula to win this game.

I reckon we will be lucky to score more than 12 goals for the rest of the season given the paucity of our team, so it's gonna be very very hard to find those wins. Critically. they must come against the teams around us to have any chance of survival.

John Wignall
240 Posted 14/02/2023 at 17:40:53
Sick to death with this group of players. How many times have this group of players turned up and seen a game out? Losers, the lot of them.

As for the board, I don't want to go there… they are torture, this club.

Darren Hind
241 Posted 14/02/2023 at 17:53:30

A lot of people believed it was a good decision to put Mina in with an unmissable chance, only it was the big Colombian who cocked it up by racing ahead of the ball when he could see right across the line.

Out of the numerous horror shows we have witnessed over the past two seasons involving so many players, I find it curious that you can be so riled about that one.

At least you're honest, mate.

Joe McMahon
242 Posted 14/02/2023 at 18:17:16
Ha, Darren, it's only because an Everton win at Old Trafford is as rare as Anfield. My Moyes only knows too well!

I do have a question for you, Darren. If we go down, do you think Kenwright will finally leave?

Soren Moyer
243 Posted 14/02/2023 at 18:20:52
For me, the only glimmer of hope is that all teams around us are going to play each other in the coming weeks. So I think 16-18 points from the remaining fixtures will be enough to see us save our skin!
Trevor Peers
244 Posted 14/02/2023 at 18:27:18
I don't think Everton have ever adapted to the Premier League, we just don't get it at all.

We've never learnt to shift the ball around the pitch with pace and buy forwards who actually score lots of goals and entertain. Now, it looks like it will cost us our place in the Premier League. Thanks, Uncle Bill… King of Incompetence, he's the Benny Hill of Chairman.

Liverpool have adapted but even they have only won the trophy just once which is woeful considering the amount of titles they won in the old system. Certainly not a record to be proud of.

The sight of Robertson running round like a demented Muppet is ugly X-rated football which has become their hallmark, it just about sums them up, as long as that is deemed acceptable and that goes for most of their players, ugly nasty bastards that the media love. I think they will eventually empty every ground in the country. If that's the new benchmark, the game is finished. Beautiful game, my arse!

Robert Tressell
245 Posted 14/02/2023 at 18:28:52
Obviously we are in a complete fix and emotions run high but there are a strange set of fall guys being singled out:

● Thelwell: the man tasked with improving a squad with no money, even after the forced sales of Gordon and Richarlison. The signings – or the lack of them – are because of our financial position. That's it.

● Davies: the guy who hardly plays and when he does is generally no worse than the other (often big-earning) rubbish in midfield like Gomes, Allan, Doucoure, Gueye etc etc. Could have been a better player but has had a different manager or more every season since he broke through and the mess as much as anything held him back.

● Calvert-Lewin: the guy who worked his socks off for years, turned himself into a top Premier League striker through hard work and then gets a quadricep injury and others which rules him out of a World Cup. Managed to keep us up last season with a superb header and a few important cameos. But wore a daft outfit in a magazine so is now a workshy fraud.

The culprits for this mess are the people who chucked all the money away about 5 years ago – and the owners who allowed it to happen on their watch.

Darren Hind
246 Posted 14/02/2023 at 18:36:24
I honestly don't know, Joe.

You'd have thought the past couple of weeks would be enough to make him walk. But to my eyes. He is taking 'brazen' to a height only the biggest ego could scale.

Christy Ring
247 Posted 14/02/2023 at 18:38:18
Ian #235,

The board selling our best player, Richarlison, allowing Gordon to leave for £45M with four days left of the window, and not bringing in a forward with Calvert-Lewin injured, is one of the reasons we're in relegation bother.

Kenwright and the board putting out a report their lives were in danger if they turned up for the Southampton game, coincidently the same day as the fans sit in and protest.

Surprise, surprise, the Mersey police knew nothing about any such threat, dragging the fans and EFC into the gutter, telling lies again to boost their own ego. That's why we are where we are – 'The Board'.

Jerome Shields
248 Posted 14/02/2023 at 19:03:01

Pete Taylor, Jeff Moorad and Jahm Najafi of MSP Sports Capital where in the stand also.

Kenwright didn't know they where attending?????

Finn Taylor
249 Posted 14/02/2023 at 19:11:33
Not having a forward is going to absolutely do us. I still can't believe we didn't or haven't yet signed anyone as cover. Gray with Maupay... play Keane up there? We have nothing to lose.

I sometimes think our amateurishness has caught up with us, but the money is simply not there, clearly. I think the likes of Thelwell etc know the problem but can't do anything about it.

Today, I have really wanted to find some positivity amidst the austerity but it's a challenge.

James Marshall
250 Posted 14/02/2023 at 19:15:37
We have 8 home games left and I'd suggest we're going to need to win 6 of them to stay up. Away games you might as well write off now.

I can't see us winning 6 home games and I think we're nailed on to get relegated. If we lose to Leeds, I think we're done.

Danny O’Neill
251 Posted 14/02/2023 at 19:24:05
John Raftery, you've just given me hope with your wisdom. We didn't play that badly last night. We literally hit the post and that was it.
Ian Edwards
252 Posted 14/02/2023 at 20:00:48
Christy 248.

Lampard spent the Richarlison money on Maupay, Onana and McNeil. That was down to Lampard as he always said he had final say on transfers. His signings, tactics, team selections and subs are the reason why we are Bottom 3.

I'm not getting involved in the headlock / board not attending subject as it's totally irrelevant.

Andy Crooks
253 Posted 14/02/2023 at 20:29:07
Fair play to you, Ian, you called Lampard out when most thought he was Kendall Mk 1 and Harry Catterick rolled in to one. While the rest of us wasted our time condemning Kenwright and the board, you and you alone called it. What the fuck were we thinking about?

We should have joined you in all those Lampard Out demonstrations you organised. Good to see you are not casting it up to us. Your view only became unpopular after you repeated it on every thread night and day twenty million times and, for the love of fuck, are still repeating it after Lampard has been sacked.

Danny O’Neill
254 Posted 14/02/2023 at 20:41:18
I think it is relevant Ian as they have accused the fans without evidence, havent followed up and deflected blame Now they are shying away and showing a lack of leadership of the club they are privileged to lead. They go to Anfield but not Goodison?

Shithouses. I keep using that word too much lately.

I've been in many situations where the boys and and girls didn't like or instinctively want to do what I was telling them to do. But I was there with them not absent because I was afraid. I was afraid. For them foremost and because I didn't know if I would be going home again. But I didnt / couldn't shy away and I never would have.

We didn't last night and the vast majority of our supporters stayed to the
bitter end.

It is definitely relevant. They have damaged the relationship with their best asset. Right now, like most, I'm focussed on the team, but it doesn't hide the underlying issue.

An escalation of their own making through poor judgement, bad communication and not really understanding this fanbase and what OUR club means to us.

Tony McNulty
255 Posted 14/02/2023 at 20:43:20
Andrew (213)

You quite reasonably ask me where the goals are going to come from.

We all know we don't have a consistent, fit goal scorer just now. I think we might get away with small contributions from various players (we have enough big men in the box) as they feed on scraps at corners and set pieces, with the occasional worldie from Gray, and hopefully some from DCL if we can get him fit.

You're correct, the usual mindless optimism from me.

Oh for a Gary Lineker. I remember Nev saying years ago that Lineker would stroll in on Monday, do light training on Tuesday, complain about his toe on Wednesday, do a little more light training on Thursday, rest on Friday, and score three on Saturday.

Ray Smith
256 Posted 14/02/2023 at 21:03:11
Two weeks ago would you have settled for 3 points from two games?
I would.
Yes we were poor last night, no arguments there, but 2-0 albeit a loss, playing like we did is not a drubbing, so come on, chins up Leeds at home, that’s an important fixture in respect of our future, so get behind the lads, and who knows where we’ll end up!
Relegated? No
Ian Edwards
257 Posted 14/02/2023 at 21:06:28
The Board get the blame for losing Richarlison but the Italian Dinosaur promised him he could leave and he stayed an extra season.

Lampard then spunked the Richarlison money on McNeil, Maupay and Onana. You can't blame the Board for that.

Lampard should have been forced out after Bournemouth. It will bite us on the arse for the fans getting sidetracked by headlock nonsense.

Robert Tressell
258 Posted 14/02/2023 at 21:06:59
Finn # 250, the positivity / optimism comes from the fact that we have 3 points from 2 games against extremely good opposition. Against weaker teams Dyche may go with Simms and Maupay as a partnership and I expect they will trouble teams much more than Simms managed on his own. Who knows, DCL may have been protected yesterday so that he is properly fit for the run in.

Just as we were not saved after the Arsenal game; neither are we doomed after almost inevitably losing to a much, much better side away yesterday.

Rob Halligan
259 Posted 14/02/2023 at 21:13:17
This was sent to me earlier on today, something which was said prior to the game last night……………

“Lose tonight and beat Leeds, we’re out of the bottom three”

“Win tonight and lose to Leeds, we’re still in the bottom three”

I know it’s all hypothetical at the moment, because we’ve still got to beat Leeds, but I know which one most of us would welcome, hopefully, come 5pm on Saturday evening.

Of course, win both would have been better, but that was not to be.

Brent Stephens
260 Posted 14/02/2023 at 21:19:04
Rob - spot on! Perspective!

And Robert!

Christy Ring
261 Posted 14/02/2023 at 21:20:05
You're completely wrong about Lampard spending the Richarlison money. The first player he tried to buy was Cornet from Burnley, £17.5m, cash upfront. He wasn't given the money, even though we got £50m+ for Richi, went to West Ham instead because they paid all the money, Frank hadn't the final say, Lampard had to wheel and deal, try and buy players over 3/4 year instalments, that's how he ended up getting Maupay.
Robert Tressell
262 Posted 14/02/2023 at 21:29:23
Quite right Christy. Our recent transfer business (including the lack of it) is down entirely to money.

As if Lampard and Thelwell thought Maupay was really the player we needed. Lampard was obviously not a great manager but he isn't thick.

It's obviously boiled down to the fact that we have no money so the payment terms / wage package etc massively limited our realistic options.

Broja on loan was the one they wanted and maybe there weren't a lot of realistic options beyond that.

Kieran Kinsella
263 Posted 14/02/2023 at 21:30:25

The way I see it, if we win our last six games we are safe. Before that we've got 10 extra bites of the cherry. What's there to fear?

Danny O’Neill
264 Posted 14/02/2023 at 21:33:15
The next games are more important than last nigh now Rob. Let's get in the zone!

Ian, we'll just have to politely disagree.You obviously focus on managers. I'm more concerned with how the club has been run since failing to build on what we had achieved by 1987.

It starts from the top. Our top level is dysfunctional, which in my opinion is why so many deverse and different managers have failed at Everton.

Danny O’Neill
265 Posted 14/02/2023 at 21:34:57
Keep blaming managers and we won't fix the underlying problem at the club.

That's tactical thinking, not strategic or having a plan or vision.

Living week by week and hoping for the best.

Klopp took 3 years to turn that ship around Ferguson several at United. But they had long term plans and were backed by competent boards and owners.

And look what they achieved.

Peter Mills
266 Posted 14/02/2023 at 21:58:30
The question I keep asking myself is “Are we one of the 3 worst teams in the league?”. The brutal answer that keeps coming to me is “Yes”.

Mike Doyle
267 Posted 14/02/2023 at 22:00:17
Slightly off topic, but I wonder how Ritchie feels ( getting 20 mins off the bench tonight again)?
His place in the Brazil side - which seems really important to him - is in jeopardy.
If we survive - and we still have the Gordon (&Arteta) money - maybe he could be tempted back?
I know - it’s the hope that kills you.
Andy Crooks
268 Posted 14/02/2023 at 22:08:07
Depressing, Pete. For us to survive we need teams who reinforced in January to have misspent, we need Southampton to get no bounce from a new coach, we need Bournemouth to monumentally disappoint their new owners, we need Wolves to become shit, Forest to get unlucky, Leeds to lose their spirit, Palace to implode, Villa to become worse than us and Everton, yes,Everton, to play well now and again.
I'm optimistic.
Brendan McLaughlin
269 Posted 14/02/2023 at 22:17:20
Peter #267

Under Lampard we were one of the three worst teams in the league.

The jury's out under Sean but I'm hopeful

Christ hopeful that we're not one of the worst three teams? NSNO eh?

Tony Abrahams
270 Posted 14/02/2023 at 22:20:19
Lampard had many faults and should have been given his marching orders earlier, but the cowards in the boardroom chose to wait, and if you believe it was because they were wary of facing the wrath of the fans, then you might be right, although the cynic in me thinks they waited because they never had any money to give to the new manager?

The headlock is irrelevant? Only an absolute fucking idiot could say something so stupid Ian. Seriously mate, sometimes you should actually think about it, even just a little bit.

Danny Baily
271 Posted 14/02/2023 at 22:20:35
Peter 267, I think there are three worse squads. And I think we'll see midtable form from here out. But I also think it's too late to save us this time. Too much needs to go our way, and we cannot afford to put a foot wrong (which we will). It's been over since the Southampton game. We should have acted sooner and sacked Lampard after the Wolves match. But we are where we are, and Dyche is the man to lead us back to the top table.
Tony Abrahams
272 Posted 14/02/2023 at 22:25:39
I personally don’t think we could have stayed in the game for as long as we did against Arsenal, if we didn’t have the physical presence of DCL, occupying their back line, and if he his going to be out for a while, then I believe we are definitely in the three worst teams bracket, but If Lewin can get really fit, and then stay fit, then I believe we are a mid table side.
Danny O’Neill
273 Posted 14/02/2023 at 22:43:36
Andy Crooks, you made me smile when I'm still in a dark blue hole and ignoring my cousins..

I'm with your optimism.

When are you next at Goodison?

Barry Hesketh
274 Posted 14/02/2023 at 22:45:36
Let's see where we are following the Forest away game, if we are still in touching distance of the sides above us on that day, we'll still have a chance. If we're a couple of points clear of the Bottom 3, even better. But we can't keep reacting to every league result, including our own and fretting about what will happen.

Remember over a quarter of the sides in the league haven't won tons of games, four sides including ourselves have secured maximum points on four occasions, West Ham have won five, whilst Forest and Wolves have won six.

A few back-to-back victories at any point from here on in, will have a huge significance to how the table looks, we all hope that we can do it in the next couple of fixtures and then again a couple more times.

At the moment it looks as if Forest, Wolves and Leicester are all safe from danger, but who really knows if it will look that way in a month's time?

Our problem and we're all fully aware of it, is the same as it's been all season, can we score the goals that secure the points? If we can't, all the other teams' results won't matter as we won't garner enough points to stay up.

Christy Ring
275 Posted 14/02/2023 at 23:01:44
Tony##273 Couldn't agree more, the presence of Calvert-Lewin against Arsenal, winning every ball against two centrebacks, working back, he was the focal point, and the abuse he gets on here, the work he does is unbelievable, he was a massive loss last night, without him going forward, excuse the expression, "we're fucked".
Kevin Molloy
276 Posted 14/02/2023 at 23:16:16
We could not ask for better opponents on Saturday. Leeds are awful, but they fancy their chances. So there'll be none of this defending the 18 yard box crap, they will come out and play. And that's when the crowd will make the difference.
John Raftery
277 Posted 14/02/2023 at 23:19:51
Ray (234) Thanks. There was a time when I needed a few pints of Higsons to deaden the senses. Now I think continual failure has left me kind of punch drunk. I would just love to see us get one more win there. Any sort of scrappy win would do.

Danny (252) I do genuinely believe we have a realistic hope of survival. We will most certainly need some good fortune along the way but if we can drag ourselves out of the bottom three this weekend I think it will build confidence among our players and fans that we can put a run of positive results together.

Jack Convery
278 Posted 14/02/2023 at 23:40:07
For Leeds.

Pickford (c)

Godfrey, Mina, Tarkowski, Mykolen

Iwobi, Garner, Onana,

Gray, Simms, McNeill

Don Alexander
279 Posted 15/02/2023 at 01:47:41
For Leeds, a gritty encounter;

J.H Christ

Tommy Wright (78) - Ratcliffe (for pace) - Watson (for commitment) - Van den Hauwe (for lethalness)

Reid - Ball - Parkinson

Steven - Dean - Sheedy.

Surely a new manager can find current players at least their equal?

...............Then enter the owner/chairman! .

Bob Parrington
280 Posted 15/02/2023 at 08:15:45
For the Leeds game, should we think outside the box an put Coady up front with Simms (or possibly but not preferably Maupay). Add Keane or Holgate and/or Godfrey at the back

Play mostly Route 1 and surprise the fuck out of them?

Danny O’Neill
281 Posted 15/02/2023 at 08:36:39
Some line-up, that, Don.

Psycho Pat for his sheer aggression and intimidation. The tackle at Villa Park in the semi final that made Phil Neville's look tame.

Blatantly flooring Speedie at Goodison and walking away as if nothing happened and getting away with it. The Scottish player didn't go near him again.

Sheedy to score the winner after having to retake the free kick.

Sorry, I had to!!

Lee Robinson
282 Posted 15/02/2023 at 09:11:39
@Ian. People have short memories, Frank wanted rid of the midfield and the defence which nearly got them relegated last season and had consistantly let him down (Keane, Allan, Gomes, Doucoure et al). He got rid of as many as he could.

He tried to replace the defence and midfield with leaders in Coady, Tarkowski and Gana which the squad was seriously lacking in in his opinion.

The players he actually wanted in were Mudryk, Gibbs-White, Kudus and Broja. Who we spent all summer probably trying to sort deals on installments, not willing to pay £40M for GW and Mudryk and hanging around to see if Chelsea found a new striker so they would let Broja leave. None of those deals worked out leaving us 5 games into the season without a striker and having to beg Mauypay to choose us over Fulham.

I'm not sticking up for Frank here becuase he let himself down with his tactics but something tells me if we had MGW, Mudryk and Broja up front he would still be in a job. It's unfair to say Frank blew his budget, I don't think he had a choice to spend it on who he did, whether it down to FFP or the board.

A more strategic view owuld have been ot have sold Gordon and DCL knowing his injury issues in the summer to have been able to spend, instead of holding on to players who clearly didn't want to stay in the first place.

Brian Harrison
283 Posted 15/02/2023 at 10:03:58
I think we have to acknowledge that both UEFA and the Premier League have rules that limit how much clubs are allowed to spend in a given time scale.
The fact is that we allowed Koeman and Silva to spend as much as they did meant that we were then getting close to the financial limits set by the Premier League, but undeterred this owner and board carried on letting subsequent managers carry on spending. So when we eventually hired the best manager by a country mile that Moshiri employed, Ancelotti brought in 2 players James on a free and Allan. the club also bought Godfrey and Doucoure after Ancelotti signed but he didnt sign them so you have to ask who did. I suspect as well as the burglary to his home and when he found there was nothing in the kitty he walked. I see Ian Edwards in his post called him the Italian dinosaur maybe you should remember his stats show him to be our third best manager just behind Kendal and Catterick, and unlike them didnt have a massive war chest to achieve that.
Those saying Frank didnt have money to spend well he spent a lot more than Benitez or Ancelotti our 2 previous managers. He and Thelwell are responsible for Dyche having so few attacking options. He and Thelwell knew what their budget was and decided to spend the money on Onana, Gana, McNeil, Maupay, Delle, Garner, Coady, Tarkowski, Vinagre.
Jerome Shields
284 Posted 15/02/2023 at 10:10:47

Your post is probably the most accurate description of the Summer Transfer window and Frank's ideas on midfielf.Frank finding that like most of his predecessors that he was constrained by the Club Management involved in transfers and interference at the highest level.Moshiri in his pullover interview described the requisition system.Potential transfer where sourced by the Director of Football, and others, in consultation with the Manager.Those decided on as fit for purpose are put on a requisition form, which is sent to the Chairman.As for Gordon's transfer they mismanaged it and their was no interest in Calvert Lewin.

Christy Ring
285 Posted 15/02/2023 at 11:03:31
Iwobi should be nowhere near the team against Leeds. Everyone will have to roll there sleeves up, It's going to be guts and physicality and he has neither.

Apart from not going anywhere near the biggest creep and sneak in the Premiers League, Robertson, during the melee, Van Dijk, another creep, just shoved him in the chest, and he just stood there and did nothing.

Clive Rogers
286 Posted 15/02/2023 at 11:30:58
Christy, 286, true.

Iwobi is dreadful, never makes a tackle and consistently loses the ball. Godfrey has to come into the back 4 or 3. The lack of pace with Coady and Tarkowski was obvious on Monday.

Christine Foster
287 Posted 15/02/2023 at 11:55:47
Sitting reading and responding to posts earlier when we had a violent earthquake of 6.1 this evening, lasted about 30 secs out to seas about 70 miles away.. haven't felt one that strong for a while..

Went up to Auckland a few weeks ago to see Elton John, cancelled at last minute, caught in floods, wading to safety as car write off… last couple of days a massive cyclone hits the North Island, huge wind and rain, a national emergency called for only the 3rd time in the country's history..

Watching the storms blow out of my window is fascinatingly scary, but so many have lost everything, 250k homes without power, roads gone, literally, or buried under huge slips and to top it all, the derby... bad week. So, we have had plague, floods, cyclone, earthquake.. a year in the life down under..

Perspective, dad used to call it… bloody Everton.

Steve Brown
288 Posted 15/02/2023 at 12:11:35
Christy & Clive, we haven't scored a goal from open play since 22 October.

Iwobi has contributed 6 assists this season, the same as the rest of the squad combined. So, the answer is to drop him?

I am beginning to think Everton fans are allergic to goals.

Barry Hesketh
289 Posted 15/02/2023 at 12:20:51
Steve @288

I've read that stat a couple of time in recent days, but wasn't Gray's goal at the Etihad from open play and his goal at Bournemouth in the League Cup?

Not much of a consolation though is it? A dozen games and only two goals scored by the same player, from open play.

Christine Foster
290 Posted 15/02/2023 at 12:23:29
I watched the game live here on Tuesday morning in the middle of the cyclone just hoping the power would stay on, after the goals, I wished the power had gone off.

Danny, they are rebuilding the cathedral but not likely to open for about 5 years yet.

The derby took all the stuffing out of me.

Clive Rogers
291 Posted 15/02/2023 at 12:42:27
Steve, 288,

He had a better patch early in the season, but has been really poor recently.

Barry Hesketh
292 Posted 15/02/2023 at 13:08:28
Going back to the number of league goals that Everton have scored this season, they still need 18 more to equal the clubs previously all time low of 34 scored during the 2005-06 season, when amazingly Everton won 14 matches and secured an 11th place finish.

Sheffield United and Derby County hold the dubious distinction of scoring the fewest goals, 20 each, in a Premier League season, in 2020-21 and 2007-08 respectively.

John Hall
293 Posted 15/02/2023 at 13:10:41
Only just watched the game played back in full on beiN sports from our local cable tv supplier.

Hard to digest the two sloppy goals, but overall the pansies in their nappies had no stomach for the fight from minute 1, that was very obvious.

Starting with eight men plus the children, Iwobi, Mykolenko and NcNeil, who were fucking disasters on the night, must have ha Rabbit's gob laughing his socks off.

Nobody wanted the ball and nobody wanted to take men on. Cowards and imposters in blue shirts. Bounce did not last long!!

Eddie Dunn
294 Posted 15/02/2023 at 14:48:23
Clive, absolutely.

The Leeds team has lots of pace and that little feller Gnonto will run rings round new totem poles (that were brought in to replace the old totem poles).

I also think we need Godfrey in at right-back because Seamus is struggling, not only for pace in the second half of games, but he is going to crack if he has to play all of our games.

Hoping to see Garner, who did score goals for Forest last term, and I hope that Calvert-Lewin is ready (but I fear that he will be on the bench at best).

Christy Ring
295 Posted 15/02/2023 at 15:19:16
Eddie #292,

I hope Garner is available, and I'd even be happy if Calvert-Lewin made the bench. Seamus can't be expected to play again, I'd have a back four of Holgate, Mina, Tarkowski and Godfrey.

Bobby Mallon
296 Posted 15/02/2023 at 15:33:53
I really hope we don't sit back and defend at home against Leeds or Gnonto will rip us one.
Bobby Mallon
297 Posted 15/02/2023 at 15:34:35
Oh yeh and don't play McNeil or Iwobi.
Danny O’Neill
298 Posted 15/02/2023 at 15:47:30
They had best be up for this because I and thousands of others will be.

Another 500-mile round trip to my home city in 5 days.

Just give me something back.

Danny O’Neill
299 Posted 15/02/2023 at 15:56:49
In fact make that the 3rd in 3 weeks and then I'm off to The Emirates for an evening kick-off.

Show up, Everton, because we do every week.

We live and breathe you. Try doing the same.

Matthew Williams
300 Posted 15/02/2023 at 16:18:42
I've said it all before, our away form is fucking shameful and has never been addressed for donkey's years. Now as an a owner, you'd question this and put it right… but with our board!?

Unless it is sorted out soon, then our beloved club will simply never win anything ever again – after all, Cup finals ain't played at Goodison!

As for the derby... we simply shit ourselves yet again with a full house at Mordor and on hearing that fucking dirge playing before kick-off (from a musical!), our players failed to show up yet again!

Truly pathetic... we truly need some sort of spark, a new face, a player that will ignite us,i nspire us... is Isco still available? I'd take him now!

Rob Halligan
301 Posted 15/02/2023 at 18:07:52
Matthew, not only is that dirge of a song from a musical, but them bastards weren't even the first fans to sing it. Man Utd fans sung it following the Munich air disaster in 1958, at least 5 years before the scum of the earth decided to inherit it as their own.

You'll Never Walk Alone is our song! — Manchester Evening News

Tony Abrahams
302 Posted 15/02/2023 at 18:12:31
And Gerry Marsden was allegedly an Evertonian, Rob, just like Bill Kenwright was a Liverpudlian.
Alan J Thompson
303 Posted 16/02/2023 at 14:47:01
I'm, again, surprised at the number of people who think, or give the impression, that Tom Davies headed miss was some sort of turning point or reason we lost the game when that was actually McNeil not hitting the back of the net from about 8 yards (metres for those who don't know) but hitting Doucoure's heels which led to the first, breakaway goal. Anyone might think McNeil has been our star player rather than having only one decent game since he came here. Tom Davies might not be any sort of world beater but I think he wouldn't do as badly as some who seem to play week in, week out regardless.

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