Booing the minute's silence yesterday

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I have to comment on the appalling booing at Goodison yesterday during the silence in honour of the Queen. It’s symptomatic of our ‘me, me, me’ culture today that in order to stand out from the crowd some idiot has to make a show of themselves and our club. 

Do you not realise that in today's Britain where scousers are seen by many as troublemakers, always whingeing, that you’ve just given them another excuse to harden their opinions. Yesterday wasn’t about you and your pathetic protest. It was about our beloved club showing respect and about us as supporters supporting the club in that. How often have we berated the shite for behaving badly, well congratulations dickheads because you’ve just behaved like kopites!

And don’t give me all this ‘What  have they ever done for me’ crap. Yesterday was about being an ambassador for Everton, it was about paying due respect to an elderly woman who served this country long and well. I observed the silence out of respect for my club and country. You on the other hand couldn’t keep your gob shut for one minute.

You are a sad nobody who I for one don’t want inside Goodison. Oh and before you say ‘it’s a free country, I have the right to voice my opinion’ well I agree, but there’s a time and place, and in front of millions on tv is not that place. 

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Our club asked you to behave for one minute, but you, you selfish self obsessed little pricks couldn’t manage it. So fuck off back under your stone and let the rest of us decent Evertonians support the club properly.


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Michael Lynch
1 Posted 18/09/2022 at 19:50:10
Sadly, I was embarrassed by the behaviour of some of our fans during the silence (which seemed to last about 25 seconds) and the National Anthem which some of the Street End felt the need to ruin with chanting. Whatever your politics – and I'm no great monarchist – just shut up and show respect to those who did want to mark the occasion.

Probably the club should have stuck to the minute's applause – at least that drowned out the knobheads, and gave those who don't want to mark the occasion the opportunity to simply remain silent.

Chris Woods
2 Posted 18/09/2022 at 20:09:08
As for all this bullshit about the Queen and the minute's silence, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

It's called free speech, it's what my dad and everyone else's dad and grandad fought for in the war.

Philip Bunting
3 Posted 18/09/2022 at 20:33:40
Chris, it's showing respect. Don't make hate speech sound like something acceptable.

Disgrace and not something I'd expect from Everton fans. At least the club done it right, like they always do.

Barry Rathbone
4 Posted 18/09/2022 at 20:34:29
Great 3 points, let down by fans missing the opportunity to prove the oft-mentioned claim of being different to "them".

These people must be utterly brainless, a bit of dignified constraint demonstrates the nonsense is Kopite behavior, not scouse. But there it is – the biggest own goal seen at Goodison since Sandy Brown.

Put to the test, we really are no different to the Anfield crew – selfish attention-seeking at its most ludicrous.

James Flynn
5 Posted 18/09/2022 at 20:42:56
Barry: "selfish attention-seeking at its most ludicrous"

Couldn't watch today's game. Pitch invasion?

Tony Abrahams
6 Posted 18/09/2022 at 20:45:47
Just reading the match report in The Guardian, and I can’t wait for the phoneys in the press to show a bit of versatility when writing about Everton, Barry!

Some national newspapers reported that Liverpudlians impeccably observed the minute's silence for the Queen on Tuesday night, and although this report should be commended for not trying to paper over today, it’s still miles from the truth, and definitely wasn’t as bad as it’s been reported in this article.

Ian Edwards
7 Posted 18/09/2022 at 20:47:41

Don't be so pompous. A minute's applause is understanable to remember someone that has died. However, singing the National Anthem is about celebrating and preserving the Monarchy. It's nothing to do with the death of the Queen.

That shouldn't be forced on people in a democracy. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You should show respect for others.

Philip Bunting
8 Posted 18/09/2022 at 20:54:58

If you don't want to sing it, don't. But, for those that do, show tolerance and respect.

Brent Stephens
9 Posted 18/09/2022 at 20:58:34
James, a couple of "fans" booed when we had the minute's silence.
Ian Edwards
10 Posted 18/09/2022 at 21:05:10

Same with YNWA at Anfield for the derby?

If people pay £50.00, they are entitled to boo – just as people are entitled to sing.

Ray Roche
11 Posted 18/09/2022 at 21:13:03
Ian Edwards,

You say: "You should show respect for others."

But you don’t show respect for people who would like 60 seconds of silence so that they can pay their respects to their Queen.

And you don’t think that anyone should show respect? I’m not a Royalist by any stretch of the imagination but I will acknowledge someone else’s right to show their appreciation for the death of someone they respect.

Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 18/09/2022 at 21:18:06

Ian loves to be the pantomime villain and adopts a contrary view on everything. I dare say he’d sing YNWA at a derby — not cause he’s a red — but because he’d insist it happens to be his favourite song and felt like having a sing.

Ray Roche
13 Posted 18/09/2022 at 21:24:05
Kieran, you’re right, but I can’t express my true feelings in case he goes squealing to Michael to have me banned because I was nasty to him.
Martin Mason
14 Posted 18/09/2022 at 21:25:00

Much as I find these people the limit of respect and intolerance, you are correct. They have the right to boo anything, except our players of course.

Ray Roche
15 Posted 18/09/2022 at 21:34:48

So you’d be happy for people to ‘boo’ at your mother's funeral if they didn’t like her because they’d have the ‘right to’?


Paul Hewitt
16 Posted 18/09/2022 at 21:45:13

So booing a minute's silence for a 96-year-old woman who has done no harm is okay?

Sorry but that's pathetic.

Tony Hill
17 Posted 18/09/2022 at 22:16:43
My perception from the Park End close to the away section was that the initial failure to observe came from the West Ham fans and there were then two isolated boos from us which set off their "patriotic" support.

I've always had a soft spot for West Ham but their lot today were embarrassingly boneheaded. Basildon Tory Shite. If I were one of their number, blowing bubbles, I would have been ashamed of the stupidity.

Jeff Armstrong
18 Posted 18/09/2022 at 22:23:13
Sorry, Tony, not having that, the first boo I heard came from the Gwladys Street end then a really loud one from the Top Balcony section where I was sat, embarrassing.

West Ham fans have nothing to be embarrassed about imo.

David Edwards
19 Posted 18/09/2022 at 22:26:45
Well done, guys - free speech and all that! Your right to boo in a minute's silence if you want to… blah, blah, blah.

I’ve spent a lot of the time over the decades trying to defend Scousers to others. The way you’ve been treated by governments, historical wounds, that feeling of alienation etc as well as trying to distance Evertonians from the snide, ‘always the victim’ platitudes of the RS that have disgraced the city so many times.

I’ve met our idiots from time to time, and they are an embarrassment – but I always hope (and justifiably at times) they are in the minority – and we are different to those over the park.

Comments by TW members above do them and us no good whatsoever, whether it’s ill-judged craic or not. You’re as low as the RS who’d steal final tickets from their own a few years ago. Get both chips off your shoulders and get a moral balance!

Tony Hill
20 Posted 18/09/2022 at 22:27:15
Where were you sitting, Jeff?
Tony Hill
21 Posted 18/09/2022 at 22:42:45
The reality is that the vast majority today in a crowd of 40,000 were respectfully silent. Meanwhile, the royally and aristocratically entitled continue to shit on us.

But God Save, and Roll Out The Barrel over the White Cliffs of Dover.

It's about power and greed, you see. Sorry if this doesn't match the National Schofield/Beckham solemnity. Tact is a way of keeping the powerful safe.

Roger Helm
22 Posted 18/09/2022 at 22:49:50
You could call it free speech, or what it really is, which is bad manners and ignorance. I wouldn’t boo at your grannie’s funeral, or at the minute's silence of someone I hated. Think about other people rather than yourselves.
Ray Roche
23 Posted 18/09/2022 at 22:57:27
David Edwards, good post.

I left Liverpool nearly 50 years ago and I'm tired of trying to defend Scousers, not all, obviously, but it's impossible to defend the indefensible. There is no way you can defend behaviour like that today, clearly heard on tv and mentioned on every match report.

People can try and blame Tory politics, aristocracy, power and greed but you can't blame that for a lack of manners, respect and decency. Still, if they've been brought up like that maybe they're not to blame. It's always someone else's fault, after all. That's how the RS get away with it.

Tony Hill
24 Posted 18/09/2022 at 23:02:47
Thanks for the non-answer, Jeff.

Bad manners, though, as Roger notes. The besetting sin of the lower orders down the ages. Not knowing our place and how to conduct ourselves so that proper order is maintained.

Aye aye, sir. Sorry for the impertinence.

David West
25 Posted 18/09/2022 at 23:11:30
With regards to booing the minute's silence for the Queen as some protest against the discrimination that scousers or Liverpool has suffered over the years is ridiculous. The Queen or the Royal Family have no power over political decisions affecting us or any other region of the country.

It's ignorance imo. Misplaced, wrong time, wrong place. Call it what you want. What did it achieve? What was the hoped-for outcome? Will it be okay for the RS to boo a former player's minute's silence at Goodison?

Free speech? Free if you agree?

Mike Keating
26 Posted 18/09/2022 at 23:17:35
I didn't hear any booing this afternoon but I did think that the minute's silence (for The Queen) before the game lasted quite rightly all the way through the dreadful National Anthem (for the Monarchy) and told its own story (the West Ham fans on the other hand seemed to love singing their stupid heads off).

The ridiculous 70th Minute tribute was a confusing bit of nonsense and I only stood up because a corner had been awarded in front of the Park End.

Just sat through this evening's so-called News at Ten which turned out to be yet another wall-to-wall tribute to The Queen and the Monarchy with little reference to what else is going on in the world - like a war in Europe. Pathetic.

Brian Wilkinson
27 Posted 18/09/2022 at 23:25:07
Don't worry, Mike, once the funeral has taken place, they will be rolling out the Covid news again.
Tony Hill
28 Posted 18/09/2022 at 23:32:40
David, have a look at what the Royal Family owns and what the Old Families own. Those possessions are echoed globally by other entitled ones. This is about a network of power and ownership with all sorts of interests involved.

None of those interests is yours or mine or (much more importantly) is it the interest of the poor worldwide. The rich and powerful want us to accept that their status and ownership are the natural order.

Jamie Crowley
29 Posted 19/09/2022 at 00:24:14
I just read a few of the comments I quickly browsed.

Anyone who would boo during the anthem or during the minute's applause frankly lacks class.

It's just sophomoric. You may not agree with the monarchy, or like the Queen, but if that's the case just sit down, sit on your hands, and try to act like an adult while others honor a lady of 96 years.

Someone died - queen or peasant - and you boo? White-trash garbage behavior.

I do NOT like Joe Biden. If he passed and they had a minute's silence for a fallen President of the United States, I'd never, ever boo. So incredibly disrespectful, that type of behavior screams immaturity and a lack of respect.

Free Speech dictates you can do whatever you like - but booing a departed person is just shite. I didn't even like all those kids celebrating when we "got" Osama Bin Laden. Someone dies you don't like, just shut up. Someone, somewhere, grieves.

My opinion. Do you I guess.

Steve Brown
30 Posted 19/09/2022 at 00:50:38
Jamie, I agree.

Not a monarchist, but when someone’s mother/ grandmother/ beloved relative dies then show respect.

It is the modern day “give me attention” ego at work.

Jeff Armstrong
31 Posted 19/09/2022 at 00:56:39
Tony, doesn’t matter where I was sitting, one eared, one eyed version of events from you trying to blame West Ham supporters for today’s disrespect doesn’t cut it with anyone,

as the saying goes, give your head a wobble,

Mykolenko was shaking his head in the minutes “silence”

Kieran Kinsella
32 Posted 19/09/2022 at 01:22:25

Yeah, I'm not disputing Tony hearing boos from a few among the WHU lot but generally they are very pro monarchy. Probably more so than any other club going back to Victorian times which ironically actually supports Tony Hill's point. But like you there's a time and a place for that, and it's not during a minute silence.

That being said, while we had a few boos I feel further alienated from my Mums Celtic supporting family. Don't know what happened to the old friendly Celtic fans but a chunk now seem to be IRA sympathizers and put up a disgusting banner today. The media portrayed it as a few but it covered the length of two rows so that's more than a few. Speaking as someone whose of Scots Irish Catholic ancestry, if that lot hate Britain so much, why didn't the rest of our diaspora use freedom of movement to go back to the homeland before Brexit? I can't imagine choosing to live in a country you apparently hate so much. But I guess it's an easy excuse to wheel out when they get drunk and beat up some “proddy” taxi driver on the way home. Easier than saying “I'm just a violent malcontent.” they can say “I did it for Ireland!”

Bill Watson
33 Posted 19/09/2022 at 02:10:33

Totally agree. I paid to see a football match not a monarchy tribute act.

I took my seat after the nonsense had finished and yes, the playing of the national anthem was absurd.

It's time some had a serious head wobble and realised that an unelected Head of State is a relic that should have been consigned to the dustbin of history years ago.

Bill Watson
34 Posted 19/09/2022 at 08:05:00

"Now the rest of Britain lives in a democracy"

Nice try (or was it sarcasm?) but I've just checked and we're still the only country in the West which has an unelected Head of State, an unelected second chamber (the Lords) and an unelected Prime Minister.

Kim Yong-un, the Supreme Leader of North Korea, must be so envious!

Christine; I have no problem with a minute's silence but the rest of it was pure, unadulterated, bullshit. Embarrassing!

I can't comment on who booed and who did, or didn't, sing their hearts out because I'd taken the opportunity to go to the Gents!

Meanwhile, back in the real world, it was good to catch up with fellow ToffeeWebbers at The Bramley Moore pub after the game. I just wish they'd put on some decent beer (and some food) rather than the fizzy pop they currently have!

Many thanks to Derek for organising it. Brian Wilkinson, and I, were thinking of you and the rest of the guys as we were tucking into our cod and chips with mushy peas (and real beer) at Lime Street Station.

Eddie Dunn
35 Posted 19/09/2022 at 08:52:51
People need to remember that booing or any other disrepectful noise at a minute’s silence is not the same as booing at a funeral.

I would not have booed myself, but some of the pious nonesense spouted on here is ridiculous. The monarch dies after being in the job too long. Perhaps she should have stepped down many years ago for Charles to take over.
I wonder why she didn't?

Because the whole propaganda machine needs the monarch to be reveered and loved and I recall a few rather unsavoury elements regarding Charles and Diana's marriage.

Now the status quo (not the band) are hurrying to show dear old Charles in a new light, and even the once despised Camilla is now loved by all.

The media manipulation is way over the top. Our powers-that-be are desperate to make the plebs continue to fawn over our royal family. They need stability, they need to keep us all subservient.

People holding up blank bits of paper treated like criminals, millions of pounds wasted on police double time and silly uniforms. And don't give me the bollocks about tourists helping the economy. I'd rather they stay away and not destroy the planet's resources on such things.

We are in a land of food banks and home heating poverty. If some want to boo, then carry-on. It's a free country... isn't it??

Tony Abrahams
36 Posted 19/09/2022 at 09:10:33
There was a reason why the minute’s silence was replaced by a minute’s applause, and the reason why was evident at Goodison Park, yesterday. You can drown out loads with applause, but it’s impossible to drown out even one loud voice, when asking people to remain silent.

I’m not defending anyone, just stating what I believe to be an obvious fact, and once it starts, even the man who is telling others to shut-up has stopped adhering to respectful silence.

Brian Williams
37 Posted 19/09/2022 at 09:23:21

It doesn't matter whether you're pro or anti royal, the booing during a minute's silence to show respect for anybody who has died is the behaviour of attention-seeking scumbags.

By all means oppose and speak up against what you believe deserves to be opposed but do it in the right place at the right time.

I've no real interest in the royal family whatsoever but the behaviour of those who ruined a show of respect yesterday paints the whole fanbase in a really bad light — and what's worse, IMHO, puts us in the same bracket as that shower across the park.

I'm sure there are many, many supporters of other clubs who feel similar to yourself, and/or those that booed, but they all had the decency to show respect where it was due, and it was due. In every other game in the Premier League, the silence was observed impeccably.

Forget it was the monarch who died. It was somebody's mother, somebody's grandmother, another human being. Fucking disgraceful behaviour from a small minority who have tainted the image of our club, and the people of Liverpool, because the rest of the country will see that and it will merely strengthen their beliefs towards Liverpool people.

Martin Mason
38 Posted 19/09/2022 at 10:09:40

You are correct and I apologise for seeming to find the disrespect acceptable. It wasn't. It was also only a tiny minority who were guilty.

What I will say, though, was it was probably obvious what was going to happen if they had a minute's silence or played the National Anthem. Was it necessary?

Over now anyway and a great win against a very good West Ham side. Onward and upward, Blues.

Andy Crooks
39 Posted 19/09/2022 at 10:26:13
Spot on, Brian.

I doubt that the half-witted specimens who booed will have the first clue why what they did was wrong, never mind the chance it gives the media to further denigrate our club.

Good to see Martin and Ian, the defenders of freedom at their finest. They are consistent for sure. Their views are always the opposite of the majority. I suspect it makes them see themselves as open-minded and free-thinking. (You're neither.)

Martin defends booing a mark of respect for a bereavement, but condemns the booing of £100k a week hired hands who don't try.

Ian, defender of freedom, Edwards forgot his principles when it came to Gana's stance on the rainbow shirt. Oh, of course, his faux outrage put him in the self-righteous minority, where he loves to be.

Tony, a minute's applause should have been the answer.

A good win, tainted by fools.

Bill Watson
40 Posted 19/09/2022 at 11:18:24

"By all means oppose and speak up against what you believe deserves to be opposed but do it in the right place at the right time".

What you appear to be saying is it's okay for someone to voice an opinion that may differ to others, but only when told it's okay to do so. The very opposite of free speech!

Ray Roche
41 Posted 19/09/2022 at 11:37:15

You say 'but only when told it's okay to do so'.

Bill, do you personally believe that during a minute's silence is the right time to exercise your right to free speech? Having met you, I can't imagine that you think so.

How many on here, banging on about their right to free speech, would boo at Putin's (hopefully soon) funeral in Moscow? Or in China?

It runs parallel with the anti-smoking campaign where smokers screeched that they have the 'right' to smoke, thereby denying non-smokers the right to breathe fresh air.

Booing denied the rest the right to observe a minute's silence. Totally selfish.

And I am not a Royalist.

Steve Brown
42 Posted 19/09/2022 at 11:38:49
Bill, forget the freedom of speech nonsense.

It is simply a matter of proper upbringing and basic respect that you don’t boo when remembering someone who died.

As a republican, I found it crass and embarrassing.

David West
43 Posted 19/09/2022 at 11:47:31

Imo, there's a time and a place to express views, whatever them views are.

Booing a minute's silence is not going to change the world order, mate, or topple any monarchy.

Phil Bellis
44 Posted 19/09/2022 at 11:47:33
Nice touch by Mykolenko during the minute to wrap his jacket around the little girl's shoulders.
Eddie Dunn
45 Posted 19/09/2022 at 12:01:59
I can recall Prince Charles chatting to a mate of his during a minute's silence for dead King George Tupou V of Tonga. Bad form.

Maybe those naughty hecklers ain't so bad.

Derek Knox
46 Posted 19/09/2022 at 12:07:28
I share the belief that a minute's silence, for whoever is bereaved, should be observed without interruption, whether it be political or anti-monarchist.

It may have come from the vociferous West Ham section but, with it being at Goodison, we get the blame. Or am I being a trifle biased?

We're forever bursting bubbles!

We all live on this planet with an equal right for honesty, fresh air, and the love of fellow human beings, coupled with respect for nature and its creatures too. However, there is always a minority who spoil it for the majority every time, in nearly all aspects of life.

Brian Williams
47 Posted 19/09/2022 at 15:22:20

No, that's not what I meant and I think you know that.

Martin Mason
48 Posted 19/09/2022 at 15:55:52
Andy, in my first post which you seem to be referring to, I said that by that as it is 100% correct in every aspect.

If you hadn't been so lazy arsed as to read my second post, you would see that I accepted again that, in the circumstances, it wasn't right.

I stand by my point that I find the boo boys who get at our own players very much Simian in behaviour.

Andy Crooks
49 Posted 19/09/2022 at 16:01:43
Martin, quite right, I didn't see your post at 198 where you graciously apologised. I apologise to you.

Martin Mason
50 Posted 19/09/2022 at 17:05:23
Thank you, Andy.
Andrew Brookfield
51 Posted 19/09/2022 at 18:25:02
Booing a minutes silence for someone who has died is disgusting, seeing fans come on defend it on here is disheartening- I’d hoped everyone on here was better than that.
Bobby Mallon
52 Posted 19/09/2022 at 19:00:37
Jamie Crowley: best post on this thread.
Neil Copeland
53 Posted 19/09/2022 at 19:03:48

I thought the boos came from various parts of the ground although they were mostly isolated. There was someone booing behind where I sit in the Top Balcony but a couple of short sharp words soon shut him up.

Like you, I think any silence should be respected and to be very blunt about it, using freedom of speech as an excuse is absolute bollocks. Showing respect and freedom of speech are two very different things. Personally speaking, it pissed me off no end yesterday but unfortunately there are morons everywhere.

Brian Wilkinson
54 Posted 19/09/2022 at 19:21:36
I heard just the one in the Park stand around 20 seconds into it, I did hear a couple before that that seemed to come from either the top end of the lower Bullens, could not make out if it was West Ham or Everton, seemed to me to be in the West Ham end, but it was right by where the fans were segregated.

Quite a few stayed on the concourse until it had been done, and then came to their seats, never heard any commotion from the concourse, only those few that thought booing would somehow make them look all righteous. It didn't, you just let down the vast majority who observed the passing of a human being, and for anyone to defend those booing, shame on you.

David West
55 Posted 19/09/2022 at 19:52:28
Free speech is a gift to us that some people don't appreciate the sacrifices made so we can express our opinions, without the threat of repercussions, violence, prison etc, that people of a different generation fought for us to have.

Have a thought for how an old serviceman Evertionan would have felt when thinking his club and his people were about to pay their respects, and hearing boos.

If it was just a minute's applause, I wouldn't 've clapped. But to deny people their right to pay their silent respect is different. It's not having respect for your fellow blue, who may want to pay his respect.

I'm no monarchist or supporter of them. I'm absolutely against the centralization of power to the capital and the privileged few.

Yet I suspect those who booed would not march tomorrow in a protest against the monarchy, wouldn't take a day off work to oppose the establishment. But boo a minute's silence at a footy match after a few beers…

Easy !!

Ciarán McGlone
56 Posted 19/09/2022 at 20:29:27
One positive about the booing, perhaps it puts to bed the continuous sanctimonious bullshit about Everton fans being pure as the driven snow and a breed apart from 'themums'.

It's tired nonsense.

Dale Self
57 Posted 19/09/2022 at 20:42:54
It is a difficult task to keep a clean sheet against the anti-monarchists. Some are just along for deride.
Kieran Kinsella
58 Posted 19/09/2022 at 20:57:28

Yeah, any time you get a crowd there's bound to be a few scum bags. Case in point, the village of Glencoe in Scotland. Population 374. For 20 years, one of those people was Jimmy Saville.

Danny O’Neill
59 Posted 19/09/2022 at 20:57:59
I was trying to avoid the booing subject as I'd already said my piece prior to the match and hoped we respected it. The vast majority did, a few didn't. I was disappointed but it wasn't like the entire stadium was in republican outrage. The vast majority respected it or told others to be quiet.

Their choice, each to their own. I too believe applause would have been better. Sadly as it disappoints me. If I don't agree with something but there is a pause to reflect and respect, I stay quiet and let others pay theirs.

Sadly so, Christine. However much of a minority it was yesterday, they unfortunately painted us in the same picture and that is now perceived in the national perspective.

Just keep quiet. I don't know how difficult it is to do that. Even when you have a totally different view and disagree with something. I disagree with a lot of things but I wouldn't boo someone's death even if I disagreed with them. And anyone who did is welcome to meet with me and discuss it.

Sadly, we are now being tainted in a similar fashion to our cousins because of what a few individuals did even though I would say 99% were respectful regardless of their views or persuasion.

Sorry, but the actions of a few individuals in the minority have just added to the 'self-pity city' view. And that's coming from around the country and the globe. I can't even bring myself to say Kopites are gobshites this weekend. That says a lot coming from me.

At a time when Everton are looking to build this city and be outward looking.

Sorry, but whoever you were, out of order.

Last I'll say on it. She's been laid to rest. I hope you all enjoyed the Public Holiday afforded to you.

Bill Watson
60 Posted 19/09/2022 at 21:11:39

You're quite right; I wouldn't have booed the minute's silence but playing the national anthem right afterwards was a step too far. In 2022, why should we accept the notion that it's the norm that some are born to rule over us and we must accept, and serve. Oddly, many on ToffeeWeb seem quite comfortable with that.

I took my seat when all the nonsense was over and, like many others, ignored the clapping bit.

Would those who're outraged by a few reported boos be so uptight if people booed a minute's silence for Prince Andrew?


You may not have meant that but the logical conclusion of "the right time and the right place" implies that people aren't allowed to express an opinion if others think it isn't the right time and place.

Kieran Kinsella
61 Posted 19/09/2022 at 21:30:13

Why would we have a minute's silence for Prince Andrew? That would be like having one for Peter Sutcliffe.

David West
62 Posted 19/09/2022 at 21:35:29
Bill... Andrew, come on, mate !

Andrew would never be afforded a minute's silence at Goodison. You're not comparing him to the Queen are you? If you are you don't really see the point.

Many public figures have died without a minute's silence at Goodison. Many will in future. The point is that it was expected that it would be upheld. And imo it was a view shared by most Evertionans.

Was the Queen really such a divisive figure? Not really. Think there will be a minute's silence for Andrew at all grounds when that nonce goes??

She can't choose her family.

I've got a few twats in my family. Don't make me a bad person.

Danny O’Neill
63 Posted 19/09/2022 at 21:40:47
Bill mate, we do serve. Be that military, the Police, the NHS, the Fire Service or any public service. Even in the commercial sectors paying significant taxes to fund the country, we all serve the country.

The Royal Family reign, they don't rule.

The UK Government, voted in by the population govern. They don't rule either.

The UK is governed by the consent of the people. Even when we don't like it when it doesn't go our way, it's democracy. The majority wins.

The German President is a figure head with ceremonial duties and an ability to make certain decisions. I would wager that most don't even know Germany has a President and certainly couldn't name them without the aid of Google. Apparently voted in by the politicians of the 16 states once they are elected. Okay, slightly more elected, but still a head of state that the people don't choose. Similar to the Lords, appointed by political leaders, not the people?

Not too dissimilar from us. We technically do vote to maintain the Monarchy because we vote on the constitutional monarchy and parliamentary system we have. The alternative would be to have a referendum. I hope we don't have another one of them. I can't be arsed and Scotland can just be independent!!!

We are not ruled. We have a head of state and are governed. By a Government that is voted in. Even if it's not the part we vote for, the are voted in democratically.

No need to argue over this or blame Queen Elizabeth II for the ill feeling. I would be looking more at politicians for that finger pointing. On all sides of the self indulging side of the spectrum.

But that's just me. Freedom of speech is hard fought, but should not be confused with lack of respect for a dead woman.

See you next time. Are you at Southampton away?

Christy Ring
64 Posted 19/09/2022 at 21:41:44
I'm not jumping on the bandwagon, but watching the game on Sky in Ireland, I have to say it was shocking to hear the booing of a very small minority. The match was being broadcast all over the world, and EFC were let down badly.

I watched the Celtic game earlier and the chanting was absolutely shocking. I've been to Parkhead a good few times, totally out of order.

Being Irish, the Royal Family doesn't interest me, but all this crap about free speech is total bullshit. Showing respect to a 96-year-old woman by being silent for 60 seconds isn't too much to ask.

Christine Foster
65 Posted 19/09/2022 at 21:41:48

Quite right. It only takes a few to ruin the reputations of all. That may appear selfish as a comment but perceptions are the new truth. We are tarnished by exception probably for years to come, by a kernel of nastiness borne of bitterness and a failure of respect. But it is everyone of us who have to live with its shame in the days and years to come.

Personally it warrants a stadium ban. But it would never happen would it?

Tony Dunn
66 Posted 19/09/2022 at 21:41:51
Some very good points being made on here, some quite happy to tow the party line, respect etc, also some very good points re freedom of speech.

Personally I wouldn't boo a minute's silence, bad form, the national anthem is a different matter, again I m not a nationalist, an ex-service man, royalist or tory, so it means nothing to me.

The rest of the country hates scousers anyway so bad press is normal. 3 points was yesterday's goal, job done. Andy Meighan, hope you re well mate, rest of the family too.

Kieran Kinsella
67 Posted 19/09/2022 at 21:51:08

"The rest of the country hates Scousers anyway." Only to the extent that the rest of the country hates the rest of the country.

I can't think of a time when I've been anywhere in Britain and heard people from another part say "I really like Glaswegians, Yorkshiremen, Geordies, Essexmen, Mancs, cockneys etc."

But it seems like some people in Liverpool focus on this tendency to belittle people from other areas more than other Brits do.

Peter Mills
68 Posted 19/09/2022 at 21:53:43
There were possibly 3 or 4 people who booed, in a crowd of nearly 40,000. A tiny minority.
Ian Jones
70 Posted 19/09/2022 at 21:59:56
Appreciate that it may have only been a handful of Everton supporters who booed but even one would have been enough.

Doesn't make our club look too good in the eyes of whoever was watching the game. One minute of silence was all that was asked for. Obviously too difficult for a few.

Peter Mills
71 Posted 19/09/2022 at 22:08:13
Ian #18, I absolutely agree with your comments.

But the 10,000/1 actions of a person should not dominate the facts of the day, that almost everyone inside the stadium, no matter their wider opinion, was respectful of the moment.

Danny O’Neill
72 Posted 19/09/2022 at 22:09:02
Exactly, Peter Mills. The vocal minority always get the headlines over the vast majority.

The Irish Landlord of my local, who comes from Dublin and is a life long Manchester City fan, made me laugh earlier. Yesterday, he got caught up in traffic and was listening to the Everton match on the radio and had his window open.

When we scored, he told me he banged on the outside of the car and shouted out. Unfortunately there was a Police Car was near by so he got called up as they thought he my have been under the influence.

He explained the situation and that he knew an Evertonian. They waived him on his way. True story.

Everton is infectious. I think Tony is hooked!!!

Kieran Kinsella
73 Posted 19/09/2022 at 22:14:14
Notice Phillip Schofield was too good to wait in line with the common man and skipped the line. That is as bad as booing. Wonder if him and Holly Willoughby were at Goodison? Total lack of respect and class.
Ray Roche
74 Posted 19/09/2022 at 22:33:37
Bill @13

I don't think that bringing the odious creep Andrew into this has helped you make your point!🤣

But, some people are coming onto ToffeeWeb and sticking up for the idiots who booed during the minute's silence. Who on here actually joined in with the booing? If you feel so strongly, why didn't you. After all, you have the ‘right' to boo.

And would you condone people booing at the Cenotaph on 11 November?

Ian Jones
75 Posted 19/09/2022 at 23:13:30
Peter @41.

Yep, can't argue with anything you said there...

Bill Watson
76 Posted 19/09/2022 at 23:41:54
Ray #44

The minute's silence, the playing of the anthem and the Cenotaph service are all totally different things.

"If you feel so strongly why didn't you boo"? I've already said I'd have been quite comfortable with just the minute's silence.

I deliberately introduced Prince Andrew because I knew it would reveal the double standards of okay to boo one person (assuming Andrew was dead) but not another but 'we' will decide the right 'time and place' and who it's appropriate to boo.

They may or may not hold a minute's silence for him but he is the Queen's son and minute's silences have been very much in vogue over the last few years.

Danny; yes, I go to all the away games (the Bournemouth Carabo Cup game will be the exception).

Each country's constitution is different. In Germany, the Chancellor holds the power but it's a federal system, too. I agree that few could name the President nor could I name the Italian President. France is the reverse. Everyone knows the President but the PM is anonymous.

I don't believe for a moment that the British monarch has no power. They can, and do hold up legislation they disagree with. We may see more of this on environmental issues with Charles and Liz Truss.

Kevin Naylor
77 Posted 19/09/2022 at 23:58:33
It's all about perception and, because the RS started booing the anthem at the Charity Shield and what happened yesterday, the perception is 'all scousers are the same'; sad but true.

I've already seen it on a few message boards, so well done to those that booed as we are now seen as the same as the gobshites from across the park.

Robert Bresnan
78 Posted 20/09/2022 at 00:24:45
If a human being is being laid to rest, then booing them during a minute's silence would of course be inhuman.

However, it was not Elizabeth Windsor who was being remembered but The Queen. The Queen was the literal embodiment of a political system that some find by its very nature to be wrong.

I agree that the booing was distasteful, but it happened in the context of a nationwide act of religious theatre which serves to further entrench the deification of the monarch.

In that sense, I say let them make their protest. Sometimes breaking decorum can be important.

For my own part, it seemed like Elizabeth Windsor was quite an admirable lady and may she rest in peace.

The sooner society realises there are no magical human beings or families and that we're all equal, the better.

Kieran Kinsella
79 Posted 20/09/2022 at 00:28:49
Reading more about booing during minute's silences and Leeds fans arguing it was okay to boo during a silence for Matt Busby as they never had a silence for Don Revie.

They then criticized Chelsea fans for booing the Hillsborough minutes silence. But perversely defended their right to sing songs lauding Jimmy Saville as one of their own.

Not sure if there's any logic or much humanity in any of that save criticizing the Chelsea fans.

Geoff Lambert
80 Posted 20/09/2022 at 00:31:58
They must have been Kopite gobshites who got tickets just to make us look as classless as them. Couldn't see any true Evertonians acting like them scumbags.
Danny O’Neill
81 Posted 20/09/2022 at 06:01:09
Bill, I think you're right about Charles. I get the impression he will try to interfere more with politics. That' s concerning and believe that once the passing of the Queen is over, there will be a renewed debate about the future of the Monarchy.

There will always be a head of state. King or Queen. A President that almost half the population didn't vote for or a Prime Minister that a significant chunk of the population didn't want or like.

Anyway, I'll be at Southampton with my brother and son. And now by virtue of a kind offer from a fellow blue on here Fulham as well. I get to as many as I can. Let's see if we can meet up? I'm sure there will be a few others. As always, it's often better sorting the world out over a pint!!

Colin Glassar
82 Posted 20/09/2022 at 08:29:25
I just knew some dickheads were going to boo. I'm sure it was pre-planned in this social media era so they can show their mates in the pub, “That's me, that's me”.

As others have said previously, it should have been a minute's applause to drown out the tiny minority who have no sense of embarrassment. I hope no-one boos at their loved one's funeral.

Bernie Quinn
83 Posted 20/09/2022 at 09:00:19
Danny, Christine, Kieran, Jamie and others. I fully support your comments. I have tried to stay out of this discussion but booing at a minute's silence is disgusting.

For the record, I am pro-Monarchy – very proud to have served as a "Queen's Man" (Guards) and will stand for The National Anthem. I am British and respect my roots (England and, in the past, Ireland).

Those 'anti'-people are entitled to their views but should show good manners to opposing viewpoints.

Ray Roche
84 Posted 20/09/2022 at 09:10:36
Bill Watson @46,

“The minute's silence, the playing of the anthem and the Cenotaph service are all totally different things.”

Basically Bill, they are the same. They are each an occasion when people can pay their respects to loved ones who gave their lives fighting for King or Queen and Country or, as in this case, a Monarch clearly loved by millions, even if you and I aren't in that number.

I've said on here before, people claiming the ‘right' to ruin the minute's silence are denying others their right to observe 60 seconds of silence. Unfortunately, being thick as mince and utterly selfish, they clearly didn't realise that their moronic behaviour would show Everton, their fans, and Liverpool people in general, in a very bad light.

I read the comments on a couple of media outlets and was disappointed at just how low Liverpool people are viewed around the country, and that behaviour doesn't help.

As regards the Queen, when my niece was saying how sad it was, I pointed out that she lived 37 years longer than my Mam, never had to queue for a doctor, and didn't have to try and make a basket of vegetables and a piece of meat feed seven for several days!

I think we're a similar age, Bill, so you appreciate how difficult things were for our parents in the aftermath of the war, especially if your house had been bombed and you'd lost everything. Of course, we weren't born then but it took time for them to get back on their feet.

So there were no tears shed when HRH passed away at a very good age. But respect for different occasions such as this was instilled in us.

Brian Williams
85 Posted 20/09/2022 at 09:21:49

No Bill that's not the logical conclusion.

I'll give you an example of freedom of speech and you tell me whether it's right time, right place.

I walk into a restaurant and you're sitting at a table with your family and friends.

I walk to the table, greet you, and then say "Fuck's sake' Bill' your missus is a fat ugly cow' isn't she?"

Is that me simply exercising my right to freedom of speech or is it me being disrespectful and bang out of order?

Christine Foster
86 Posted 20/09/2022 at 09:49:06
Brian, depends just how ugly she is.
Brent Stephens
87 Posted 20/09/2022 at 10:00:47
Bill #47 I didn't approve of booing at the game on Sunday. Time and place.

But, time and place... as you say, "I don't believe for a moment that the British monarch has no power. They can, and do hold up legislation they disagree with."

And I believe relatively recent revelations point up the extent to which a non-elected monarchy is entitled to be informed of, and consulted on, any proposed legislation that potentially impacts on their estates and interests.

Given the large swathes of lands that they hold, much proposed legislation potentially impacts on their interests. Which means that our majority-elected, democratic govenment, representing the wishes of the majority, can be influenced by just one non-democratically-elected family.

That great Evertonian, Voltaire, back in the 18th century, said "if God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him". But if, today, there had been no monarchy, would we invent one? Hand over vast amounts of our land and money to them? Fawn over their every word and action? I don't think so.

But I might be persuaded to put my name forward!

Danny O’Neill
88 Posted 20/09/2022 at 10:09:14
Brent for Queen.

Sorry, I meant President!

John Williams
89 Posted 20/09/2022 at 10:13:26
If the club can identify any of the culprits, they should be banned for life from Goodison or the future new stadium.

It is down to your upbringing and sadly we have people in
our society that have little respect for others, whether royalty, or the guy sitting next to you in the ground.

They have let the club down big style.

Brent Stephens
90 Posted 20/09/2022 at 10:15:19
Danny, I'd enter the race for President. Would need to stand on the old soap box politicians used to speak from.
Colin Glassar
91 Posted 20/09/2022 at 10:27:06
If you can't keep your trap shut for 60 seconds, what else are you incapable of doing?
Brian Harrison
92 Posted 20/09/2022 at 10:28:40
Very disappointing to hear some people boo during the minute's silence for a 96-year-old lady who, while having a privileged background, had done nothing to hurt anyone.

Nothing surprises me these days; the world is full of attention seekers, I doubt any of those who booed have any moral compass.

This was not a place to show your animosity to a family or an individual that you, for whatever reason, don't like. You weren't asked to do anything but to keep quiet for 60 seconds.

Dave Cashen
93 Posted 20/09/2022 at 10:48:14
Freedom of speech has been given to us freely, but with that gift comes a responsibility.

It didn't come free. Men and women risked and even lost their lives. I don't think they made these monumental sacrifices in order for people to abuse and even hide behind it.

We have to recognise there are boundaries. Otherwise we would tolerate the freedom of scammers and terrorist to say what the want.

I don't know for sure, but I suspect a large percentage of Evertonians would not be Royalist, however, I don't think many of them will be buying the claims of those wanting to portray themselves as some sort of working class heroes that they were making a political statement.

This wasn't about politics, nor was it about freedom of speech. It was about common decency.

99% of the crowd wanted to show the world that we are a good decent club supported by good decent people. Two or three deprived them of the opportunity

Jeff Armstrong
94 Posted 20/09/2022 at 11:06:26
Be interesting to see if anyone who booed ,took advantage of the extra bank holidays for the Platinum Jubilee and funeral.
Ray Roche
95 Posted 20/09/2022 at 12:06:23
What do you think Jeff?
Stephen Vincent
96 Posted 20/09/2022 at 13:03:51
Brent #88,

That great Evertonian, Voltaire, also said 'I may disagree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'.

Personally, I am not a Monarchist, but I recognise that the late Queen by and large led a life of service in a role that she never chose and as such I respect her and observed the minute's silence, but I refuse to sing the anthem as it recognises an institution that I fundamentally disagree with.

If people wish to demonstrate their displeasure in a very open and public way, why should we decry them for making their views known just because they go against the views of the majority?

Every time I have posted on this site and have had to mention thatcher, I always intentionally spell the name with a lower case 't', as a mark of disrespect. It is invariably corrected to an upper case 'T', such is censorship!!!!

Incidentally, it is pretty crass to try to make a comparison between booing during a minute's silence for the Queen and booing at the Cenotaph, since Remembrance Day events recognise the lives surrendered precisely so that people can make their views known, however offensive some may consider those views may be.

Ray Roche
97 Posted 20/09/2022 at 13:18:02

I mentioned the Cenotaph and whether people had the right to disrupt the service and minute's silence. It's not crass at all. It's only a few years ago that people attempted to disrupt proceedings and even damage Churchill's statue so booing us a distinct possibility.

I asked: ‘And would you condone people booing at the Cenotaph on 11 November' because the argument put forward by some on here is that it's their ‘right' to boo (presumably anywhere) and stopping them is against their right to free speech.

Ray Robinson
98 Posted 20/09/2022 at 13:30:47
Stephen, have you ever thought that people could always exercise their right to free speech by organising a minute's booing instead of spoiling a minute's silence?
Brian Harrison
99 Posted 20/09/2022 at 13:33:10

Voltaire a great Evertonian, died 100 years before the club existed… so probably the world's greatest visionary.

Ray Roche
100 Posted 20/09/2022 at 13:33:16
Ray, cracker! 😂
Stephen Vincent
101 Posted 20/09/2022 at 13:37:28

Of course I would not condone booing at the Cenotaph, nor the desecration of Churchill's statue, but by the same token, providing they are not breaking the law, I could not in all conscience condemn people for doing so.

Remember in 1945, the man who is celebrated by that statue was unceremoniously booted out of office, an event that I am sure hurt far more than having a bit of paint daubed on his bronze.

Stephen Vincent
102 Posted 20/09/2022 at 13:39:52
Brian, Fully aware of Voltaire's date of death, I was just quoting Brent #88.
Tony Everan
103 Posted 20/09/2022 at 13:41:06
He was probably a PSG fan anyway, even before their Champions League days.
Stephen Vincent
104 Posted 20/09/2022 at 13:45:04
Ray #99, I would have no problem with that whatsoever.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
105 Posted 20/09/2022 at 13:46:19
Please accept my profound apologies, Stephen, for the vagaries of the autocorrect algorithm that is despised by so many.

You see, it automatically assumes you must be a bit of an ignoramus if you wright could of instead of could've, say their instead of they're, use are in place of our and, of course, fail to capitalize your proper nouns.

There's probably an Evertonian setting on it somewhere that would let these glaring solecisms pass for fear of showing up the already sensitive populace of L4 and surrounding postcodes in their shameful disrespect for what was once The Queen's English.

Brian Harrison
107 Posted 20/09/2022 at 14:03:34
Michael 106,

I disagree about algorithm being despised, I think if we give him time, he will turn out to be OK.

[Not sure if he would approve using 2 capital letters in OK.]

Stephen Vincent
108 Posted 20/09/2022 at 14:11:58
michael no problemo dude small price to pay for being able to debate such a variety of topics with many excellent blues
David Ellis
109 Posted 20/09/2022 at 14:24:08
Am I the only one who can't stand the use of the word "passing" instead of "died"?

The Queen didn't pass any more than Bob Latchford – she died… he headed the ball into the net.

Paul Jones
110 Posted 20/09/2022 at 14:45:21

I can't believe the autocorrect let you get away with 'wright' when you meant 'write'. It's double standards like this that are pushing contributors away from ToffeeWeb! 😉

Kieran Kinsella
111 Posted 20/09/2022 at 14:48:04

It's disrespectful to the people who lay straw roofs on cottages if you called Maggie thatcher.

Tony Abrahams
112 Posted 20/09/2022 at 14:49:05
If Charles wants to get involved in politics, then maybe the first question asked should be how he has avoided paying inheritance tax?
Brent Stephens
113 Posted 20/09/2022 at 14:55:47
Tony, you say "If Charles wants to get involved in politics, then maybe the first question asked should be how he has avoided paying inheritance tax?"

Tony, I think he'd rather keep that one quiet. Now look what you've done – it'll be all over the papers tomorrow.

I was around your way this morning, Tony. Looking for the grave of Robert Noonan / Tressell. Found it after a bit of a search.

Stephen Vincent
114 Posted 20/09/2022 at 15:01:27
Kieran, excellent, I hadn't thought of that.
Tony Abrahams
115 Posted 20/09/2022 at 15:02:03
Good man, Brent. I wonder if any of Robert Noonan Tressell's family have ever had to pay inheritance tax!

It won't be long before this type of behaviour by King Charles stops getting overlooked, IMO, Brent. He's getting a bit of grace because he's just lost his mother, but I don't think it will be long before people will be asking questions like, I wonder why the Queen never abdicated?

Bill Watson
116 Posted 20/09/2022 at 15:03:53
Ray #84

Yes, our parents had it tough. Many grew up during the recession and then had their early adult years wasted by the war; not forgetting those who died.

On a lighter note, my mum was actually arrested by MPs at Euston Station and charged with desertion from her designated war work job at Liverpool Airport. She showed them her 'Friendly Alien' pass and they had to let her go. The Friendly bit was a bit of a misnomer and I've obviously inherited her awkward gene.

Brian #85. You wouldn't have done that because my wife was drop-dead gorgeous!

Churchill's statue; we live in a weird country where I could get 12 years for damaging a statue but only 4 years for sexually assaulting someone. Not too sure what the penalty would be for sexually assaulting a statue!

Brendan McLaughlin
117 Posted 20/09/2022 at 15:10:05
Bill #116,

18 months, suspended.

Stephen Vincent
118 Posted 20/09/2022 at 15:18:46
Tony, Brent,

Only the personal property that is passed to Charles is exempt from Inheritance Tax.

Any gifts made to the Queen's other children or grandchildren over £325,000 will be subject to Inheritance Tax in the usual way.

Brent Stephens
119 Posted 20/09/2022 at 15:19:25

"Not too sure what the penalty would be for sexually assaulting a statue!"

I've heard guys say that, after a few years of their marriage, that's what it felt like!

I couldn't possibly comment.

Bill Watson
120 Posted 20/09/2022 at 15:41:59
Brendan #117
Probably upside down!

Brent #119
That made me laugh but I'm sure the ladies would have a view on that. lol

Back to the booing. How much booing actually took place? I was on the concourse and didn't hear any; others on TW have said just one or two but others are saying the club has been disgraced.

I'm sure if there was a lot of booing then Match of the Day would have been all over it… but they weren't.

Alan J Thompson
121 Posted 20/09/2022 at 15:59:58
Stephen (#96);

Voltaire said no such thing. I believe the words you quote were actually those of, I think, an American who was translating his work and was asked for a rough summary.

While I disagree with not honouring the minute's silence, I do have trouble with the extradition trials of Julian Assange for publicizing wrongful acts by the American military while no such action is taken against a statutory rapist.

Or the petty squabbles of who can and cannot parade in a military uniform. Then there is the matter of rights to the property of those dying intestate in the Duchy of Lancaster.

But then, you can't choose your relatives, can you.

Rob Dolby
122 Posted 20/09/2022 at 16:03:37
Jeff @95. In today's union-free society, lots of people wouldn't be getting paid for the Platinum Jubilee or yesterday's day off.

Booing the anthem or not, people were left out of pocket, had hospital appointments cancelled, and food banks closed. Maybe that's one of the factors in all of this pomp and ceremony. It promotes class and superiority.

The new King's behaviours towards his first wife, and his brother's £12M hush money are just two reasons why people don't show the same respect to the royals as others do.

Probably the best part of a billion of taxpayers money spent on a funeral where the immediate family don't have to pay a penny towards it doesn't sound fair.

The people running the country do not value the effort and struggle that most are going through post-Brexit, Covid and the looming energy crisis. Is it any surprise that people react they way they do?

Charles himself is a conservationist but says in his first speech that he cannot pursue those beliefs anymore as he has to remain impartial. So what is the point of having a monarchy?

So doffing the cap and missing out on a day's pay wouldn't exactly be a gift to lots of working-class people in the UK. Whether they liked the royals or not.

Maybe you could direct that question to the people who have provided a life's worth of service to Charles at Clarence House who are now surplus to requirements?

I stood in the Park End and heard a couple of boos… 39,000 people attended the game! I heard people around me sing the National Anthem. Similar boos at Anfield and when Derby County played earlier in the week. I find it in poor taste, the booing of a minute's silence, I also find it pretty bemusing, the singing of the National Anthem.

I would feel happier singing Jerusalem as a national anthem rather than giving adoration to a family living tax-free in several castles across the UK.

Anyone seen 'yma o hyd' performed by the Welsh? What an emotional anthem of national pride. Can anyone say God Save The King evokes the same emotions?

I had a lovely day off yesterday, walking on the sand dunes of Southport – all unpaid of course.

Rob Halligan
123 Posted 20/09/2022 at 16:04:37
Bill, I'm in the Upper Gwladys, and there were one or two shouts which came from my left, maybe the corner of the Gwladys Street which joins the Upper Bullens.

There was no actual booing, that I could make out, but shouts although I couldn't make them out; I did hear some people shouting “Shut Up”.

Like you, I'm surprised it wasn't on MotD, nor has it been mentioned on the BBC website, who I'm sure would have been all over it like flies on the proverbial!!

Brent Stephens
124 Posted 20/09/2022 at 16:17:22
Rob #122,

Scousers might adopt the line from Dafydd Iwan's song that goes "Er gwaetha hen Fagi a'i chriw" ("Despite old Maggie and her crew”).

Stephen Vincent
125 Posted 20/09/2022 at 16:39:02
Alan #121, it was attributed to Voltaire by American author Evelyn Hall in her book 'Friends of Voltaire' but I agree there is no recorded reference to the saying before 1906.

It just suited what I thought was a witty and appropriate response to Brent's comment. Should have known someone would pull me up on it.

Ray Roche
126 Posted 20/09/2022 at 17:12:56
I couldn't go to the game so, for a change, I watched it on TV. There was sufficient booing and disruption to cause the minute's silence to be cut short. Even the players looked bemused, not sure what to do. Mykolenko was apparently shaking his head.

I too was surprised that MotD weren't all over it but the likes of the Daily Mail (spit) did an article on it and the comments from none Scousers were grim indeed.

You certainly see the game differently on TV.

Alan J Thompson
127 Posted 20/09/2022 at 17:19:28
Stephen (#125);

This is ToffeeWeb, Stephen, and I will defend unto the next disagreement the right to disagree, wittily appropriate or not.

After all, Bill has given us enough practice at it to the point of institutionality (and I may have just made that word up myself).

Didn't we win something in 1906?

John Kavanagh
128 Posted 20/09/2022 at 18:10:25
A handful of people have granted the media another opportunity to attack our club.

I believe we should all show respect when a minute's silence is called for. I'll even stay silent should Blue Bill ever be granted such a tribute, which for me will be the ultimate test.

Those who behave in a loutish manner should go where such behaviour is not only condoned but encouraged, where they'll be made very welcome. It's just across the park from us.

Barry Rathbone
129 Posted 20/09/2022 at 18:23:43
Proof positive we really are no different to the crew across the park. The opportunity to prove otherwise was there and supporters failed dismally. Little wonder scousers get such a bad press.

"Time and place" has been uttered many times and this was neither — and before the high horse brigade saddle up, I'm republican.

Rob Dolby
130 Posted 20/09/2022 at 18:52:39
Barry 129.

If that's all the proof you need, god help anyone if you're in the jury!

Bill Watson
131 Posted 20/09/2022 at 18:56:34
Rob #122,

Your post just about nails it.

Geoff Lambert
132 Posted 20/09/2022 at 18:58:33
Yes, Barry, but they won't like you for pointing it out, it's their right, you know, the poor little oppressed peasants.
Barry Rathbone
133 Posted 20/09/2022 at 19:07:20
Geoff Lambert @132,

Quite right, as Rob Dolby @130 demonstrates.

Kieran Kinsella
134 Posted 20/09/2022 at 19:10:12

I can't see us having a minute's silence for Kenwright. Marshy got a round of applause didn't he? That would be easier to hide the boos in.

But, really if Kenwright gets anything, you'd have to do the same for Peter Johnson since he was an owner when we actually won something and I suspect many would not like that since he was "a red".

Better not to acknowledge either really.

Kieran Kinsella
135 Posted 20/09/2022 at 19:12:54
Thinking about it some more, if we are giving a minute's silence to these backroom people, then what about Neville Southall and Co?

For that era think of all the players we had we'd be having a minute's silence every week once they get up there in age. Or would some share a minute 50/50 – half for Warren Aspinall, the other for Kevin Langley or whatever? Based on appearances.

Danny O’Neill
136 Posted 20/09/2022 at 19:17:38
Sound words, Barry. We can have a view but dignity and class is free.

I never saw him play, Kieran, but Colin Harvey will be huge when the time comes to reunite the Holy Trinity alongside the great Evertonian in the blue skies.

Dale Self
137 Posted 20/09/2022 at 19:23:23
Could we be given the option of offering a blank post for some of the more marginal honorees?
Kieran Kinsella
138 Posted 20/09/2022 at 19:29:30

Is that why Bill Gall often posts blank posts? Honouring obscure former players?

Dale Self
139 Posted 20/09/2022 at 19:33:04
The Billbot is a curiosity, Kieran. I always thought it was a tribute to the content of various Live Forum posts. A pantomime head-bang on the keyboard or something like that.
Rob Dolby
140 Posted 20/09/2022 at 21:16:52
Barry @133.

What have I demonstrated?

Tony Abrahams
141 Posted 21/09/2022 at 07:48:46
Thanks, Stephen, for explaining that it's only the personal property that Charles will not have to pay Inheritance Tax on.

I assume this is because it's just going to continue to be passed down the line, or does this also apply to land all over the country, that has been turned into very lucrative retail parks, amongst other things?

Simon Dalzell
142 Posted 21/09/2022 at 21:42:57
Totally agree Michael. Observing this silence is nothing to do with wars and free speech. No. (2). Literally, Number 2.
Jerome Shields
143 Posted 25/09/2022 at 08:34:24
Actually with the streaming feed I got, I missed the booing, and thought that the respect due had been given. I even commented unaware that that had not been the case, only to realise later I was wrong. I was disappointed.

Through this thread from fans who were actually at the match, it appears that there was no booing. Everton has become the undeserved pit of the English game, thanks to the media, for some reason. I am not surprised by their unfounded allegations.

Tony #36

Good idea, a minute's applause. There are plenty of one voice idiots about.

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