John Bramley-Moore, slavery and the site of Everton’s new stadium

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More revelations about the life and times of 19th Century businessman, politician and slave trader, John Bramley-Moore, who had a dock in Liverpool named after him.  These come from the diary of Joseph, his brother, provided by a living relative, his great, great granddaughter, Mary Anne Kinloch.

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Bryan Houghton
1 Posted 27/10/2022 at 10:22:56
In addition to this article, The Athletic Football Podcast with Mark Chapman yesterday featured "Everton's Bramley-Moore Dock Stadium & the Uncomfortable Truth". Strongly recommend to give it a listen.

Initially, I thought they were going to poke about Russian money involement, blah blah yawn, but they are actually focussing on John Bramley-Moore's slaver history, and what Everton should be doing about it.

It's a good listen - many people know about it, many people don't. It's not hard at times to feel like they are trying to undermine our pride in a fantastic new stadium by shaming the history of the person to which the dock was named after. Certainly shame of the slave trade, and its contribution to what Liverpool became, yes – but not shaming the stadium and what it stands for now.

It is complicated, especially about what we should be doing about it, and deffo kicks up allsorts of feelings, and at the same time they do stress it isn't just our problem, it just doesn't name them. Just us. Uncomfortable indeed.

Michael Kenrick
2 Posted 27/10/2022 at 14:07:47
For those who may not recall, or who weren't with us then, we had a previous article on this subject penned by Stephen Ashton early last year: John Bramley-Moore – Lord Mayor of Liverpool and Slave Trader.

It generated a pretty wide-ranging discussion on that thread which is well worth reading for those interested.

Barry Rathbone
3 Posted 27/10/2022 at 14:23:54
From the limited knowledge I have, John Bramley-Moore made his dough in some part via slavery – a common enough trait among the Liverpool affluent of the period.

By all means make reference to it as an illuminating history project in the new build but don't go over the top in self-flagellation. It happened a long time ago with little to no bearing on the footy club or ground where we will be taking residence.

Continually rehashing conflict only promotes antagonism – look at the Middle East and Ireland... there comes a time when sleeping dogs must be left to lie in peace.

Dave Lynch
4 Posted 27/10/2022 at 14:29:07
What can Everton do about it?

Nothing, it's history... gone... in the past.

Rename the stadium by all means, who gives a shit what it's called anyway?

John Bramley-Moore was of a different time, history is there to be learnt from not erased.

We are a football club – not a vehicle for history erasers to pin their badge on.

Brian Murray
5 Posted 27/10/2022 at 14:43:11
My, my, they are seething that the stadium is actually rising out the ground...

Now a Kopite journalist is trying to make an issue of the city's slave trade over a century ago, pinning it on Bramley-Moore, and then jumping into our racism problem that all clubs had or have to this day.

No mention of their manager sanctioning players wearing tee-shirts supporting Suarez over the same issue. Moral entitlement when it suits rises again.

Chris Williams
6 Posted 27/10/2022 at 14:47:04
The City of Liverpool has, so far, been quite upfront in acknowledging their involvement with the slave trade. They have started a programme of putting explanatory plaques on the sites connected to or commemorating the slave trade. Such as Rodney Street among others. This is a far better way of dealing with this than simply renaming the site I think, as has been suggested in the past.

I guess this might also happen with the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock. Whether Everton have their own plans, I've no idea, but I'd be surprised if they don't. But it might be hard to find a major port in the country, like Bristol, for example, where a similar history doesn't exist, to whatever degree.

Brian Murray
7 Posted 27/10/2022 at 14:59:29
Bit tenuous and desperate to beat us with a stick over this. Albert Dock had the same history but acknowledged it in their museum.

We obviously can't do that although I'm sure some plaque will be in place. I love Liverpool history and it was a big part of our culture – no airbrushing, just fact.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
8 Posted 27/10/2022 at 15:09:02
I know you just had to bring it down to that level, Brian, as you so often do, but for once can you just give it a rest?

Yes, it's part of Liverpool history – we absolutely do not need to be talking about Kopites.

Brian Murray
9 Posted 27/10/2022 at 15:22:09
Michael,

I wouldn't have brought his football allegiance up but surely it's very relevant in this case? Naïve to think otherwise, imo.

Les Callan
10 Posted 27/10/2022 at 15:26:47
Michael. Brian is correct. This writer has written umpteen books about the R/S. This piece is a shameful article of clear kopite propaganda.
Dennis Stevens
11 Posted 27/10/2022 at 15:28:26
Curious that so little seems to be made of the ongoing issue of modern day slavery, approximately 50,000,000 people are estimated to be victims, right now.
Paul Kossoff
12 Posted 27/10/2022 at 15:30:10
Am I right in saying that if I want to read that article I have to subscribe to The Athletic, whatever it is?

I'm a member of ToffeeWeb, I want to read articles on here, not have to go and sign in elsewhere.

On the slavery topic, if everything in the world was demolished because of its link with slavery then there would be nothing left.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
13 Posted 27/10/2022 at 15:33:27
Dennis, well said. There are 4 times as many slaves today as were shipped from Africa in the whole 400 years.

Far better to focus on the history than try to deal with today's problem.

Michael Kenrick
14 Posted 27/10/2022 at 15:35:23
It's just utterly pathetic to my mind for your reaction to be driven by the conviction that this is just "Kopite propaganda".

The historical facts about John Bramley-Moore are not in dispute. (Are they?) Slavery is a historical fact, as others have said. We should embrace the history for exactly what it is. History.

Pete Clarke
15 Posted 27/10/2022 at 15:44:55
They can bring up history all the like because that's what it is and it can't be changed.

In the very present and near future, meanwhile, there's a big football tournament coming up and I'm pretty pissed off it's actually going ahead.

The World Cup in Qatar has to be the most corrupt decision not just by FIFA but by all of the countries involved to be sending their teams out to play in very recently built stadiums where thousands of poorly paid migrant workers died under slave-like conditions.

I may just write to The Athletic to remind them that it's still happening today and they need to make some front page news that could help bring an end to the Qatari slave trade that's still going on despite the small forced changes that have seen the workers finally get a minimum wage and better conditions.



Les Callan
16 Posted 27/10/2022 at 15:50:04
I am not in any way trying to deny our history. What I do object to is Hughes's attempts to tarnish our new stadium with slavery. His headline tries to do this.

And please do not ridicule my opinions as pathetic. No wonder posters leave the site.

Des Farren
17 Posted 27/10/2022 at 15:52:57
Barry @ 3. Not sure what point you are trying to make in your final paragraph but doubt it is complimentary to the Irish.

I also am at a loss as to what, in its entire history, Ireland has done to Great Britain to deserve this type of derision.

Michael Kenrick
18 Posted 27/10/2022 at 16:09:30
How on earth does making a historical connection 'tarnish' our new stadium?

That is absolutely pathetic.

Des, I think Barry's reference was to Northern Ireland and The Troubles.

Paul Kossoff
19 Posted 27/10/2022 at 16:09:39
Here is an eye opener to our great British history. They came up with a great money saver to use poor Irish people instead of poor black Africans:

Irish indentured servants

Tony Abrahams
20 Posted 27/10/2022 at 16:23:05
Anyone got the lyrics to that Dylan classic, we’ve all got to serve somebody?
Les Callan
21 Posted 27/10/2022 at 16:30:52
Well Michael, if you are happy with such gutter press, so be it.

And since you can't help yourself from considering my opinions as “pathetic”, I shall refrain from posting again.

Michael Kenrick
22 Posted 27/10/2022 at 16:37:14
Les,

Instead of taking your ball home, why not try to explain how exactly this is tarnishing the new stadium?

Alan J Thompson
23 Posted 27/10/2022 at 16:37:26
Was there any mention of that Heritage Society that wanted to keep the dock as it was/is, an example of Victorian(?) docks or is it only those who are demolishing it?

Oh, and weren't we selling the rights to name (rename?) the stadium.

Michael Kenrick
24 Posted 27/10/2022 at 16:47:55
Allan,

I thought their main concern was losing the Unesco World Heritage listing, which happened last summer.

The dock walls are Grade II listed, and have not been demolished. Just rather hard to see them any more...

And I haven't checked this for sure but the Everton Stadium branding is an obvious precursor to selling the naming rights and is perhaps in the interim a judicious way to start moving us away from the Bramley-Moore Dock moniker?

Barry Rathbone
25 Posted 27/10/2022 at 16:51:50
Des 17,

Michael is right. I'm referring to the troubles originating from the 1600s which, on the face of things, seems more than enough time to square matters.

We've had two world wars come and go in the interim with most combatants now getting on just fine. I don't think the Germans have bombed one of our chippies since.

Michael Lynch
26 Posted 27/10/2022 at 16:57:40
I must admit, I thought we'd done this one to death in the thread mentioned by Michael in post #2.

Anyway, my view is to learn from history, and I think history teaches us never to name anything after a living or recently deceased person, because times change and nobody is perfect.

I doubt if anyone will be referring to Bramley-Moore when talking about our stadium in a few years time.

Danny O’Neill
27 Posted 27/10/2022 at 17:03:03
That is an incredibly detailed and studious article.

I'll go light and go geography geek again. Opinion time on the definition of L8. To me, Aigburth ended at the end of Aigburth Road. Was the bar on the right called Cheers after the US programme? I remember drinks at bars on Lark Lane too. I digress.

When you got to the end of Aigburth Road, if you went left and then took the right hook onto Park Road, you were in the Dingle (I'm on the 82C now!!!).

If you went right and ended up on Princes Avenue going past Granby Street, you were in Toxteth.

That was and is my take of the area.

Anyway, Liverpool has a rich history. Just like the rest of the UK and most countries in the world, we played our part in the good, the bad and the ugly that made the country and history. Let's not talk about 20th Century Germany. Every country has its dark past. As for Spain, practically a military dictatorship until the early 80s. Recognise the wrongs of the past but let's not beat ourselves up. We're actually a country that historically has been ahead of the game in terms of freedom, rights and progression.

Like anything in history, we recognise the rights and wrongs of the past. We can't change them. We live with them, we learn from them.

Liverpool Football club can live with theirs if they ever bother to acknowledge them.

Lessons learned. Lessons identified. Put things into context but learn so we we don't make the same mistakes again.

But it doesn't mean we should necessarily be slating individuals who were simply operating in the context of the time they were born, lived and worked.

Liverpool has a proud heritage of welcoming people from different backgrounds. If I'm not mistaken, the UK's oldest Chinese and Black communities? And due to our sea faring heritage always welcoming to outsiders. Goodness, look at all of our names. The pseudo second capital of Ireland and the capital of North Wales!!!

Dale Self
28 Posted 27/10/2022 at 17:06:38
Tony 20, how about 'Everything is Broken'? Same album I think. Well pointed out Dennis 11.
Des Farren
29 Posted 27/10/2022 at 17:30:53
Barry @ 25.

Very little in that I could disagree with except for the little matter of responsibility, ie successive British Governments failing time and again to treat each tribe in a fairminded manner and then washing their hands of the matter when tnings go wrong. Your post is a classic example.

Normally I would not comment but you do have previous, Barry.

Tony Abrahams
30 Posted 27/10/2022 at 17:32:23
Or 'every generation blames the one before' maybe, Dale?

Although I personally think that Michael Lynch's second paragraph @26 probably explains it better than anything else, mate!

Michael Kenrick
31 Posted 27/10/2022 at 17:41:13
Well, I think I'm wrong in suggesting that the Everton Stadium tag was to move us away from referring to it as Bramley-Moore Dock.

The latest stadium-related article on the Official Everton Website still talks about "Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock". Like beauty, in this case, tarnish is in the eye of the beholder.

Dale Self
32 Posted 27/10/2022 at 17:48:48
Tony 30, this is a deep one so I'll offer a few words rather than just drop a one-liner. What I guess I was vaguely referencing was that we accept the previous generations' burdens under the impression that they try to get it right although it may not work out that way.

The vicious commentary and reaction to what happened long long ago is more likely due to a breakdown in generational trust. And I absolutely agree with Michael Lynch's solution but would suggest that the discussion will be forced elsewhere and I'm not cheering for that I just think that is how it is.

Alan J Thompson
33 Posted 27/10/2022 at 17:53:34
And while we are at it, how about making Arsenal rename themselves as not only did they prolong at least one World War, they caused the even greater sin of getting pubs closed at 3pm.
Danny O’Neill
34 Posted 27/10/2022 at 17:55:50
It's been Bramley-Moore Dock for over 100 years, Michael.

We can bury our heads in the sand but it kind of always will be referred to as that. It's history.

More importantly, what's the future? Obviously there will be sponsorship and naming rights that will take precedence.

But Goodison renamed? The Trinity Stadium? The Mersey Arena?

It would be nice to give it a name.

Let's not start talking about naming the stands. It will kick off!!!

Danny O’Neill
35 Posted 27/10/2022 at 18:03:07
Interesting you mention Arsenal in that context Alan @33.

In the context of geography at the time, not too dissimilar a move from what the then Wimbledon, now MK Dons done. Geographically moved significantly at the time.

Closing pubs? I didn't know that. Sinful.

Michael Kenrick
36 Posted 27/10/2022 at 18:08:42
Yes it has, Danny.

And it might become analogous to Mere Field being rebranded once the stadium had been built.

But your next bit I don't understand... Why rename Goodison Park? I hope they don't do that. (Let's not even go there!)

One of the pleasing things about the naming of stands is that (I believe I am correct in saying) no-one on here uses those new names that Kenwright and chums came up with.

Alan J Thompson
37 Posted 27/10/2022 at 18:10:58
Danny (#35);

A WW1 battle was lost and the General in charge blamed it on a lack of artillery shells which, in turn, was passed on to Woolwich Arsenal who blamed munitions workers as being so well paid that they stayed in the pub at lunchtime rather than returning to work, hence pubs closing at 3pm to force them back.

I suppose we could be thankful that Off-Licences may not yet have been invented.

Paul Hughes
38 Posted 27/10/2022 at 18:14:17
We all know that, in the 18th Century, Liverpool's fortune was built on the slave trade, via the notorious Trade Triangle. It is something as a city we have recognised and acknowledged - the Slave Trade Museum in the Albert Dock, for example.

When the city was laid out as it grew, the streets and buildings were named after local dignitaries, and I imagine all of them – whether directly, indirectly or by turning a blind eye – were involved in the trade.

The thing is, you can't change history, and nobody today bears any responsibility. So, to me, this article is just virtue-signalling.

Mike Gaynes
39 Posted 27/10/2022 at 18:40:44
Paul #38,

I don't really know what "virtue-signalling" is (besides a political catchphrase), but there are lots of TWers in other places with little knowledge of Liverpool's role in the slave trade and zero awareness of who Bramley-Moore was.

The Ashton article a year ago was my first acquaintance with the topic, and I found it and the subsequent discussion fascinating. I have the same reaction to the piece in The Athletic.

I guess I'm signaling its virtues.

Dale Self
40 Posted 27/10/2022 at 18:56:46
Ugh, the virtue-signalling bailout of discussion. Can't make a decent counter argument so we're playing that canard.
Brent Stephens
42 Posted 27/10/2022 at 19:07:06
Chris #6

Yes, explanatory plaques are the way to deal with statues etc which have history that we now find uncomfortable.

"Virtue signalling is the popular modern habit of indicating that one has virtue merely by expressing disgust or favour for certain political ideas or cultural happenings".

Like expressing disgust for virtue signalling.

Danny O’Neill
43 Posted 27/10/2022 at 19:11:11
I agree with Bryan @41
Phill Thompson
45 Posted 27/10/2022 at 19:11:45
The Bradley-Moore stuff was okay but nothing significantly new that hasn't been covered before.

It was the thinly veiled attempt by Simon Hughes to resurrect past racial issues associated with Everton which annoyed me. He's a dedicated RS supporter whose written many articles on the RS, hardly an unbiased view on those aspects.

It smacks of some of those exchanges you see on Twitter sometimes with RS and Blues trying to score points off each other bringing up Heysel etc. It arrived as a “Your Stories” in my inbox so I read it, but I'm unlikely to renew my subscription to The Athletic which ran out today!

Barry Rathbone
47 Posted 27/10/2022 at 19:20:22
Des @29,

I'm not sure what "previous" I have but feel remarkably confident in thinking you're probably right. 😃

Danny O’Neill
48 Posted 27/10/2022 at 19:28:32
Genuinely didn't know that Alan @37. Fascinating historical artefact.

Michael. She can't be Goodison mark 2 and I know the advertising rights will take over. But I'd like the young lady to have a name rather than become a King Power, an Emirates or a Etihad.

We are going to dominate our famous waterfront so let's give her an identity. Linked to our identity.

God, I'm getting emotional again thinking about leaving the old girl. It's only about 18 months until we see the last ball kicked there. I'll be a blubbing wreck come 2024.

David Pugh
49 Posted 27/10/2022 at 19:51:25
Here's an interesting stat for you…… the new stadium will have 747 WCs installed into it.

Well, it is going to be a Jumbo (747) sized stadium after all! 😃😃

Danny O’Neill
50 Posted 27/10/2022 at 20:00:47
Most importantly, David, will I get served at half time?
David Pugh
51 Posted 27/10/2022 at 20:03:28
Danny, if the same catering staff move from Goodison to the Everton Stadium, then no!
Kieran Kinsella
52 Posted 27/10/2022 at 21:43:16
The club could put this issue to bed simply by digging up John Bramley-Moore and posthumously executing him as happened with Oliver Cromwell.

That kind of spectacle should attract a large crowd of Sun and Daily Star readers and put some distance between the club and the man whose name is tied to the land.

Les Callan
53 Posted 27/10/2022 at 23:33:00
Careful Phil @ 45, Michael might accuse you of being pathetic.
Christine Foster
54 Posted 28/10/2022 at 01:54:38
The article smacks of shame by association, and yes there are plenty of bitter or jealous who would, without reference to the facts of course, try to smear the name of its hated club by associating it with BMD. I ask you, if BMD was not the site of Everton's new ground, would the article have even been written?
Ed Prytherch
55 Posted 28/10/2022 at 03:14:41
Pete 15 - that is the way that I feel about it too. Ignore the inhumanity and corruption of the 2022 World Cup while we fret about stuff that went on 200 years ago and has been abolished in the civilised world.
Lyndon Lloyd
56 Posted 28/10/2022 at 04:36:42
Phil (45) and Christine (54) nail it for me and it's why I wasn't going to link the article at all but there's been plenty of comment so I'll add mine.

It is, indeed, a very studious article but I'm not sure it belongs on The Athletic and, if it does, the resident Everton correspondents, Greg and Paddy, probably should have had some insight or oversight.

Because the dredging up of past racist incidents in connection with Everton in the 1980s was wholly unnecessary. It was an attempt to thread Bramley-Moore's slave-trading past through racism in the present with Everton as the common link.

We did deal with this topic when Joe Mulhern's article at the LSE came out (as MK points and out and links above) and my feelings haven't changed. It's been called Bramley-Moore Dock since the 1800s and the name will and should persist in some form regardless of whoever wins the naming rights for the stadium but I hope the club do work with the International Slavery Museum to address it and use it to educate for visitors to the site.

Danny O’Neill
57 Posted 28/10/2022 at 06:53:07
Now this is uncovering my roots and despise of the entitled and condescending shower who clearly are jealous and worried about what we're building.

Bramley-Moore Dock has existed now over the course of 3 centuries. I don't recall it being mentioned previously. I know my city well but didn't even know it existed despite having driven past it probably hundreds of times. So why now?

I had a proper London Kopite try to engage with me last night. I gave him about 30 seconds. That was 30 seconds too long given his knowledge of his apparent club and football. I turned my back.

At least now I've been triggered, I go into the weekend bitter, twisted and proud.

Bitter with reason. Twisted with cause. Always proud.

Taking back the city and they don't like it.

Christine Foster
58 Posted 28/10/2022 at 07:29:23
Danny, all of a sudden the penny has dropped, no longer winning, Klopp moaning, and God forbid, BMD not only went ahead but it can be clearly seen as dominating the waterfront.

One of my red sisters lives in Wallasey, close to the seafront, every time we speak she mentions it as an eyesore she wakes up to. I laugh and tell her not to worry because, when it's fully built and lit up, it will ruin her night as well..

But the point is they are starting to look at us with envy, it just comes out as snide remarks. (How many times do I endure the association of BMD with the wastewater sewage treatment plant next door?)

So it's getting to them – not even banter now. They are slipping from the top table. So, what's it like now your second class? Taking back the city.

Dave Cashen
59 Posted 28/10/2022 at 08:36:39
Lyndon Lloyd - "I hope the club do the work with the International Slavery Museum to address it and use it to educate for visitors to the site."

Something beautiful from something ugly. Doing the right thing. Malicious RS dismissed with a wave of the hand.

Job done. Don't think I'll be revisiting this thread. No need

Tony Abrahams
60 Posted 28/10/2022 at 08:43:26
Everton taking back the city, whilst all’s Liverpudlians do is moan about City!
Tony Shelby
61 Posted 28/10/2022 at 09:30:00
Include a section inside the stadium that can be visited on tours, called: "And if you know your history..."

Having said that, some pricks will probably still try to drag Dixie's statue into the Mersey.

Brian Murray
62 Posted 28/10/2022 at 11:07:42
It's all very un-Everton like but fair play to that part of the club Colin Chong etc. Very professional and I'm sure we will grasp this golden chance with both hands commercially. We have sung that song since the '60s and now it's coming true on the banks. Very emotional just thinking of it.
Len Hawkins
63 Posted 28/10/2022 at 12:26:33
I am sick to death of the great unwashed finding out about something that happened 4/500 years ago and think they are entitled to go out and vandalise what they assume is linked to a 500-year-old atrocity.

Years ago, I visited Neanderthal in West Germany. The Neanderhole is a gorge were Neanderthal Man originated, I felt some sort of connection – could it be a distant relative invented fire or the wheel? ... and I now stand being accused of causing countless deaths in fires and being run over by vehicles.

I'd better check my piggy bank or even better gain access to Kenwright's gaffe and get my arm down the back of his sofa.

Frank McGregor
64 Posted 28/10/2022 at 17:19:01
Len Hawkins @63,

I agree with your sentiments about being sick to death about Liverpool and the Slavery issue. Having lived in North America for some 50 years and travelled throughout the southern states of USA, I can actually comment on the things related to the slave trade.

Just to name a few places, one can learn history from places like the Frogmore Plantation in Louisiana. The conditions the slaves were living and working under not as extreme as indicated.

When Abe Lincoln abolished slavery, conditions changed for the slaves – they were no longer housed or fed by the plantation.

The Andrew Jackson plantation in Nashville, Tennessee, was a similar story.
I can state clearly that the living conditions were as good if not better than the appalling conditions people were living in in Liverpool and the north of England at the time.

It should be also noted that slavery itself was rampant in the mills, coal mines and the work associated with the shipping industry in Liverpool during this era.
The same people exploiting the slaves in the USA were also exploiting the people of Britain.

Billy Roberts
65 Posted 29/10/2022 at 14:23:05
Firstly, I think it should be mentioned that there is a small visitor centre right next to the site entrance where a small viewing platform has been set up to watch the progress of the build.

Among about 3 or 4 portacabins explaining the history of Everton FC and the docks history is a room solely about the slave trade triangle which is not glossed over.

The visitor centre seems to be run by volunteers and Everton fans and should be commended on their time and effort. It is not an official EFC site. Maybe the writer of this article missed this little detail...

I can't help think there is something underhand the way the writer links Everton to the appalling slave trade. Would he have preferred we built on Trafalgar Dock? Or Nelson Dock?

He almost drifts into parallel universe debate when he casually states without Bramley-Moore there would be no prosperity (for some) in Liverpool and therefore EFC and LFC wouldn't have existed? Ruling out any alternative future.

This idea that perpetuates of Everton fans being overwhelmingly racist while Liverpool fans were all so enlightened and civilised because John Barnes played for them?? It infuriates me, it is a well-researched article but seems very confused about what it is trying to say.

Maybe the episode of LFC openly supporting Luis Suarez with tee-shirts etc could have been thrown in for a little balance?

So when Everton bought the 100-year lease for Bramley-Moore Dock, they inherited the stain of association, did they? Like buying a house where a murder took place. Is this our responsibility now?

Will we record its history respectfully? I think they will.

More than any Council or English Heritage or Unesco did or will ever do.

Derek Knox
67 Posted 31/10/2022 at 20:08:13
All these links from a totally different era, I often wonder if it is to further try and besmirch the name of Everton in this case, with hitherto reference to Slave Trading.

Hopefully we have learned from the past and equality has been pretty well established now. Although I can't help thinking it has gone over the top in many cases with people using the Racist Card which, only seems to work one way.

Rob Halligan
68 Posted 31/10/2022 at 20:23:54
Fuck the lot of them…

“They said it wouldn't happen,
They said we had no dosh,
They said it won't get finished
So thank you Senor Mosh.
But now it's getting bigger,
Reaching for the sky,
And when we finally move there,
You'll hear the blue boys cry”!

“Oh we hate Bill Shankly and we hate St. John, but most of all we hate big Ron, and we'll hang the kopites one by one on THE BANKS OF THE ROYAL BLUE MERSEY”.

Brian Murray
69 Posted 31/10/2022 at 20:31:00
Rob, doff my cap your back with a vengeance ( if you the expelled Rob ) I salute you
Rob Halligan
70 Posted 31/10/2022 at 20:35:08
The one and the same, Brian. 👍👍👍
Brian Murray
71 Posted 31/10/2022 at 20:43:35
Okay, Rob, now about this chairmen? 😂
John Keating
72 Posted 31/10/2022 at 20:53:14
I don't really get all this self-flagellation over slavery?

Slavery was going on big style by the Romans, in the Middle and Far East, within Africa itself a thousand years before John Bramley-Moore.

Maybe the whole world should spend the next 10 years whipping each other over it all…

Wonder how many folk would actually enjoy and volunteer for an extra whipping?

Jay Harris
73 Posted 31/10/2022 at 20:55:53
Its a question of mind over matter.

"We don't mind what the RS say"
and they don't matter.

There is only one "People's Club" and it's not red.

Rob Halligan
74 Posted 31/10/2022 at 21:09:28
John # 72.

Many of the Vikings came from Norway, and when they came and invaded England, they would cart many English back to their homeland and some were treated as slaves.

Pot, kettle, black springs to mind regards this Mr Simon Hughes who wrote the piece for The Athletic. Maybe that's why all the RS are savages!! It's been passed down generations since the 8th century, from Norwegian to Norwegian family, culminating in what we see today.

John Keating
75 Posted 31/10/2022 at 21:19:38
Could be right there, Rob, there is an inordinate amount of them over there.

After Slavery Stadium is built and they row down the river in their longboats blowing their horns, or each others horns as the case may be, seeing our new Valhalla, they may change their allegiance. Though I doubt they'll get a season ticket.

Rob Halligan
76 Posted 31/10/2022 at 21:23:40
The Valhalla Stadium, home of slain warriors, under the leadership of the god Odin. Maybe Kenwright will be the new Odin! (Only joking).
Martin Mason
77 Posted 31/10/2022 at 21:42:28
Danny @27,

Brilliant and thank you. All my relatives, starting in the 1950s, were from Liverpool, most in that area from Aigburth and on through the Dingle. My Uncle was a Rozzer at Lark Lane PS and most from the Bible Belt along Park Lane (Jacobs, Moses, Isaac, etc.)

Danny O’Neill
78 Posted 31/10/2022 at 21:45:13
Hopefully this works. Courtesy of Chris Williams.

Full height of Everton Stadium revealed

Rising above the Royal Blue Mersey. Dominating one of the most famous waterfronts in the world. Taking back our city.

Barry Rathbone
79 Posted 31/10/2022 at 21:54:26
Should call it "Dixie Land" and watch ignorant reds choke in indignation claiming it's a shameless celebration of the Confederacy and slavery.

The actuality of it being an honour to the great William Ralph Dean wouldn't enter their vacuous skulls.

[Ignore Liverpool ship builders supplying ships to the south during the American Civil War – it was pre-togger.]

Derek Knox
80 Posted 01/11/2022 at 06:37:50
Danny @ 78. thanks for the link.

If you look around 1:25 you can also see The Danny in the far corner (black funnel), moored opposite the United Utilities Plant.

John Chambers
81 Posted 01/11/2022 at 13:48:19
On a slight tangent to the article but relating to the build, does anybody know if we are on schedule?

We keep getting the videos of progress, which is great, but I'd like some occasional updates to say if progress is as planned to allow us to start here in 2024-25.


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