Everton booed off after being punished at the death by Wolves

26/12/2022 142comments  |  Jump to last
Everton 1 - 2 Wolves

Yerry Mina scored Everton's first goal off a corner of the season but wastefulness from the Blues after that cost them dearly

Everton returned to competitive action looking to set a different tone to the one with which they went into the break for the World Cup but emerged from Boxing Day with a fourth successive defeat in all competitions as Wolves won this tense “six-pointer” in stoppage time.

Julen Lopetegui picked up his first win as the Black Country club’s new manager in his first game at the helm thanks to substitute Rayan Ait-Nui’s last-gasp goal while the Blues’ boss, Frank Lampard, hustled down the tunnel with Goodison Park’s frustrated boos in his ears at full-time.

Everton had their chances to have put this game to bed long before a largely poor Wolves outfit caught them cold on the break in the final minute of time added on but they were plagued by wastefulness in an attack that generally creates and scores precious few goals.

Yerry Mina, playing in place of the ineligible Conor Coady, had settled the nerves of a shaky start by heading in what was Everton’s first goal that came directly from a corner all season after just six minutes.

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The hosts, who were once more without Dominic Calvert-Lewin, had looked disjointed in the very early going and Jordan Pickford, who should have been the sharpest of Lampard’s players given how recently he had been in action for England in Qatar, was particularly wasteful with his distribution.

But when Anthony Gordon and Neal Maupay pressured the visitors into conceding a corner, Mina won his mis-matched duel with Hugo Bueno and met Dwight McNeil’s dead-ball delivery with a glancing header across Jose Sa and into the far corner of the goal to make it 1-0.

Wolves hit back 15 minutes later with a corner routine of their own, however, as the ball was pinged to Joao Moutinho on the edge of the box but, rather than have a crack at goal, the Portuguese lofted a clever ball over a static defence where Daniel Podence arrived completely unmarked to guide it past Pickford and make it 1-1.

Vitalii Mykolenko steered a terrific ball into Wolves’s penalty area five minutes later but Gordon allowed himself to be closed down in a really promising position when a first-time lay-off to the unmarked Maupay would surely have resulted in a goal.

Then Maupay himself squandered a gilt-edged chance when Wolves got themselves into a mess in the centre-circle, the ball broke for the Frenchman to drive away for a one-on-one opportunity against Sa but his first touch was disappointingly heavy and the keeper charged it down outside his box.

Everton’s best chance of the remainder of the contest arrived 11 minutes before the break when Idrissa Gueye made a fine interception and immediately threaded the ball through to Gordon in the box where the young winger took one touch and tried to tuck it past Sa but the Portuguese pushed his shot away one-handed.

Then, in the 42nd minute, a loose touch from Nathan Collins gifted possession to Maupay but the striker fired another great chance straight at the keeper.

Neither manager made a change at the break and it was the Toffees who looked the more likely to make the breakthrough in the early part of the second half.

Maupay passed up the chance to set Gueye up in the box four minutes after the restart but Everton win it back and won a free-kick in a dangerous spot when Maupay was fouled but Gordon was miles off target with a direct effort from 25 yards out.

Bueno had a rare chance for Wolves at the other end but Pickford was equal to it before the first waves of substitutions saw McNeil replaced by Demarai Gray but the wide man would get see little of the ball as Lampard’s side would struggle to make inroads for the remainder of a match that became increasingly scrappy and disrupted.

Gray would get one sight of goal with 10 minutes left when Maupay was again fouled on the edge of the box but the substitute swung the resulting effort from the free-kick inches wide.

Maupay was replaced by Tom Cannon with seven minutes of the regulation 90 to go but would get just one cross to contest that Toti Gomes beat him to while Ben Godfrey, a late change for Mina, had an effort cleared off the goal line and Mykolenko mis-cued a volley from a difficult angle with six minutes left.

The onslaught for which the Goodison faithful were baying in the closing stages never came, however, with Lampard’s charges continually recycling the ball in injury time rather than trying to play the percentages with more of a target man now spearheading the attack.

There was a cruel irony, however, that as soon as they shed their inhibitions with one final attack and lost the ball on the edge of the opposition area, they were hit with a sucker punch as Wolves tore away on the counter-attack with numbers, Adama Traore centred and Ait-Nui took a touch to set himself in front of goal before lashing it home.

It was a cruel and dispiriting end to a game that had been billed as must-win for Everton, who had lost at Leicester and Bournemouth prior to the six-week hiatus for the World Cup and who could be in the bottom three when they travel to the home of the Champions, Manchester City on New Year’s Eve.

The result also heaps more pressure on Lampard to solve his side’s timidity and profligacy going forward and on he and Kevin Thelwell to bring in attacking reinforcements as a matter of dire urgency when the transfer window opens next week.

 

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Bill Fairfield
1 Posted 27/12/2022 at 08:12:56
Looking like Frank's ship is heading for the rocks. I really hope he can turn it around.

The lack of movement up front is a defender's dream. He's got to get lucky in the transfer market.

Kunal Desai
2 Posted 27/12/2022 at 08:16:55
Unless we bring in a Campbell or Jelavic type saviour – and that's going to be an almighty task – then we are getting relegated this season.

One final throw of the dice and a huge gamble. Something the club will need to get right which, let's face it, they don't often get right.

Danny Baily
3 Posted 27/12/2022 at 08:25:47
Why is he still in post? We need to act quickly. Agree a mutual exit and bring a new manager in.

This is a desperate situation, so it's worth rolling the dice. It will be much easier for us to avoid relegation this season than it will be to secure promotion over the next 5 or so years.

We're staring down the barrel of highlights on Quest, hardly any radio or TV coverage, and the best part of a decade in the wilderness if we're lucky. To top it off, if we did get back to the top table, we'd be odds on to go straight back down.

As fans, were not ready for this loss of status. Act now. An interim manager can take the hit at Man City. The new manager needs a full transfer window.

Jim Bennings
4 Posted 27/12/2022 at 08:33:23
People are still naive enough time think a new manager will make any difference with this dross group of pansies.

What is Sean Dyche gonna do with our midfield and attack that is absolutely piss weak??

None of our players can hit a ball harder than any of the ladies' team.

Lampard's biggest mistake, to be fair, was (apart from Tarkowski and Coady) the transfers of Maupay, McNeil, Dele Alli, which have been disasters.

Onana looks so lazy it's unbelievable. I get it's early on for him but I've got to see some signs of what he's got so far he just looks like a lanky passenger.

Gana has proved to be past his best days unfortunately, not helped by the cack around him and the fact Onana should be his energy but isn't.

Gordon… don't even get me started, fancied himself that much in summer, he dyes his hair like Ric Flair, but hits a ball like me Auntie Claire.

We have blind alley wingers that have zero football brain.

Our left-back is competent at defending but going forward he's shocking, compared to what we had with Digne, Baines etc.

Patterson is not too bad but again not helped by what's in front of him.

We are still being told to wait for Dominic Calvert-Lewin – why, why, why? A player not fit for 18 months.

You can sack Lampard tomorrow but, much like when we sacked Benitez and thought Lampard would change it, sadly it's just change for change's sake.

Whoever is manager, this team will be relegated this season because the sides down there will be better than the three from last season.

Jacques Sandtonian
5 Posted 27/12/2022 at 08:37:34
I genuinely believe that there's nothing that can be done now to prevent relegation. We look an awful lot like Aston Villa did when they went down, except we're not trying to use energetic youngsters to dig us out.

We have too much downward momentum and not even that one player with quality to try to spark something.

I don't believe the club have money to spend in the window unless we sell. Perhaps one or two desperate loans but I simply can't see it being enough.

We're going to need to replace Lampard sooner or later, for someone who will have better ideas to win games in spite of ourselves, win ugly. Plus we're approaching the point where we would take some kind of new manager bounce to help us out.

Nevertheless, I don't see us staying up. Our next managerial appointment should be the person tasked with trying to bring us back up at the first time of asking.

Kunal Desai
6 Posted 27/12/2022 at 08:47:39
Five or six years ago, I mentioned this club going the same way as Aston Villa under Randy Lerner.

They gambled massively to try and get Champions League football and backfired, assets stripped over the next few seasons and an owner who wanted to get shut of the club as quickly as possible.

It's a slow painful decline to the Championship and we didn't quite make it there last season; we will this season.

Alex Gray
7 Posted 27/12/2022 at 08:51:40
Honestly, you're not going to win many games with McNeil, Maupay and Gordon. They're utter garbage. Dross.

Every time we worked the ball up the pitch, they either slowed it down or gave it away.

Blame Lampard all you want but, once again, same as Carlo, Rafa, etc… our players are awful.

Mark Ryan
8 Posted 27/12/2022 at 08:54:39
We all witnessed the clock go up. 5 minutes to press and attack and snatch a game we could have easily won. Should have won.

Then we all witnessed 2 solid minutes of a team so bereft of ideas and with so little guile in it continue to pass the ball sideways, sideways, backwards, sideways and backwards.

The crowd knew the game was up. The players nervously farting around with the ball looked stumped as to what to do and then collapsed.

Interviewer (being polite to Frank): "Did you perhaps try too hard to score the winner?"

Frank (words similar to this: "No, in fact in those closing minutes we could have perhaps pressed or tried a little harder"???? No shit, Sherlock!

That comment tells me the players' mindset is to too defensive. He has them playing within themselves and this shackles them. This is why we are where we are. All too defensive, all too nervous.

After Australia and the break, we had a chance to reset. He hasn't done that and both he and the team look clueless.

Time to say "Thanks but you have had your chance."

Tony Everan
9 Posted 27/12/2022 at 09:02:30
You have to ask yourself: "Is Frank capable?" – even with the two new forwards we will sign in January.

Is he a competent, astute Premier League level manager?

Can he come up with the right team selections?

Can he alter a game's dynamic with quick-thinking decisions from the touchline?

Can he outmanoeuvre the opposing manager?

In his year at the helm, he has not shown that he's capable of the job. His team selections do not inspire any confidence and lack logic, and the same failings are repeated with the same outcomes.

He gets overwhelmed by events and hasn't the cool mind under pressure of a real manager who understands the big picture of a football game and how to manipulate it in real time.

The problems run deeper than Frank and there is no malice towards him. He's just not up to the job.

There's three basic things Moshiri can do to best help save Everton FC: Remove the failed, amateur Kenwright, appoint a real, proven manager, sign two forwards, the best our budget can spare, one of them a quality target man.

Sean Roe
10 Posted 27/12/2022 at 09:08:03
Five of the starting eleven were Frank Lampard signings. Three of those five (Maupay, Onana, McNeil) were the worst players on the pitch.

If Lampard and Thelwell aren't to blame, I don't know who is!

Si Pulford
11 Posted 27/12/2022 at 09:27:01
Sack Lampard and you have the same problems. The players change, the managers change. But the problems persist or get worse.

The board absolve themselves of blame.

In science, when conducting experiments they will use a ‘constant' so that there is at least one identical element in each experiment; our ‘constant' is the board. The only ever-present element in nearly 30 years of failure, and therefore we cam say with confidence, the reason for that failure.

Boils my piss.

Paul Swan
12 Posted 27/12/2022 at 09:28:19
The difference there yesterday was that one manager actually managed his team. He could see Everton were there for the taking and made changes to the formation to influence the game.

Lampard has shown time and time again he can't change things, either in formation or with substitutions, with like-for-like dross being thrown on and the same patterns of play repeated over and over.

And let's be absolutely clear: Wolves were shit all afternoon but it was nailed on at some point all they would need to do was hit Traore in the channel to outrun our defender and switch the ball over.

Look at the number of players they had in the box and up with the attack whilst our superstars jogged back having lost possession. This needs changing and changing fast because Lampard is not up to the job.

Danny Baily
13 Posted 27/12/2022 at 09:36:46
Si, there are only a few levers we can pull. The ones that will have the biggest impact on the field are changing the manager and adding to the squad.

Off the field, I'm not sure what fans find so objectionable. We've spent money on players, moved in deadwood, are building a top-quality stadium, and have secured record sponsorship deals.

Despite the challenges of losing the USM investment, we're well run off the pitch. It's the manager (that we as fans insisted on installing) that's the problem.

It's not Kenwright's or Moshiri's fault that Maupay (!) and McNeil were part of a front three yesterday.

Trevor Peers
14 Posted 27/12/2022 at 09:43:28
Has any set of supporters managed to oust an unpopular Chairman? That has to be the question here. Is it legally possible? Otherwise, all the talk and protests in the world would amount to nothing.

If Moshiri wants Kenwright as Chairman, I don't think there's anything we the supporters can do about it; otherwise, due to his years of unpopularity, Kenwright would've already been removed.

Even Manchester United with its massive fan base have been powerless to remove the hated Glazier family and they have been protesting for years.

Ian Pilkington
15 Posted 27/12/2022 at 09:47:55
Danny Baily @13,

You really believe that we are well run off the pitch?

Do you live in another galaxy?

Fran Mitchell
16 Posted 27/12/2022 at 09:54:11
Pickford: Our best player and will surely leave in the summer.

Mykolenko: Really limited. a massive downgrade on Digne. Okay but not a great defender, and very weak attacking.

Patterson: Again, limited, okay but not great in an attacking sense but poor positional play. At least he plays with gusto.

Mina: A good player made of glass.

Tarkowski: A good player, but equally a player from another era. He would have been considered a top player in 2002, but now lack of pace and technical ability mean he is lower half of the Premier League at best.

Gana: Has his moments, both good and bad. He's not the player he used to be, for sure.

Onana: Raw. There is talent, but he has no definite role and, in most teams, he'd be a substitute or squad player while he adapts and develops.

Iwobi: What is his position? Popping up all over the pitch in search of the ball, play seems rather unintelligent. All chasing lost causes, no goal threat either. He'd be a sub with most clubs.

McNeil: Slow… no wingers can be this slow. He doesn't offer a goal threat and isn't particularly tenacious. What does he offer?

Maupay: Runs like he's wearing a 40-kg weight vest. Offering nothing in the nuisance factor. No physical presence.

Gordon: Shockingly, our most dangerous attacker. not skillful
or quick enough to beat a man, relies on being given time and space. Poor finishing, and not creative.

Gray: Has a decent level of pace but is very very ineffective. Rarely gets into dangerous positions, hasn't the skill to beat a man, poor set-piece delivery.

These are our players. They just ain't very good. We either sign 4 players or so, of real quality, or we're going down.

Mike Kehoe
17 Posted 27/12/2022 at 10:04:05
Whenever we have a new manager through the revolving doors at Goodison, I think give him 3 years, as it wouldn't be fair to judge until it's his team, etc.

I think of the Brock backpass or the campaigns to oust Alex Ferguson, the "Out before Easter" headlines and so on, and the history that followed.

But it is so hard to watch so many managers come here and have no viable ideas how to change things, no Plan B when Plan A is not working, and an inflexibility and rigid commitment to a style or formation or the hideous anti-football attitude of Allardyce, that the panic button becomes the easy and popular option.

The board have proved, many many times, to be inept: Richarlison has effectively been replaced by Maupay. So a guy who lit up the World Cup is replaced by a short-arse who can't head a ball, has little pace, but is an irritant up front; on the evidence of recent performances, his position could have been filled by Giles Brandreth who could have delighted the centre halves with hilarious puns or showbiz anecdotes or fascinating tales of how utterly lovely the Royals are, which may have created space for McNeil to shirk away from.

On the other hand, if we had any bang-average forward who can head a ball, it would have been a comfortable win.

I worry about what is to come because it looks like the options are limited and this board has proved to be consistently clueless over many years. The identity has gone from being plucky and resolute, punching above our weight, to being the historic warning of how not to run a club: to take a club backwards with the levels of investment we have wasted requires a breathtaking commitment to ignorance. I can't help but imagine a board meeting being like the Haribo adverts where the adults talk like toddlers.

The shit we are in now is deep, and not likely to be reduced at Man City. The next few weeks will be hard to watch and I fear that, if City absolutely maul us, that may be the end of Lampard and another manager's multi-million pound sale of a vision becomes worthless tat – not a Ferrari as Moshiri and Kenwright believed, but a Lada Riva – and we turn to someone else's vision of an all-singing, all-dancing promised land that will take years to get to, give him 3 years before we judge, etc.

The lessons of recent years have been ignored and the club has stalled with so many passing us by. I would be devastated to see us in the Championship, for one reason: because I fear it would take years to get out and the financial implications could be catastrophic. But if it brought about a new identity, a board that has a clue and recruitment that isn't toddlers playing with loaded guns, I could live with that.

Paul Tran
19 Posted 27/12/2022 at 10:18:28
There are two issues here that keep getting conflated and need to be separated.

Yes, we are very badly run. There's a mentality of 'we're doing okay', which even Benitez correctly referenced. We have recruited consistently poorly and haphazardly. We have studiously avoided buying players who score goals for 5 years.

Now, the other issue is the current manager. He's been here a year, clearly gets the club, talks a lot of sense between and before games... Talks increasingly desperate nonsense after games. Do we really look better under him? Do we play with the energy and intensity he says he wants? If not, why not? The results tell me a big No!

We have been on a rapid cycle of managers. There is a good argument for sticking with one and backing him. But only if and when he shows signs of learning, developing. I don't see this under the current manager.

I'd love him to come good, to ride it out, but after a few weeks working with the players followed by that display, my patience has run out. There's a difference between losing and progressing and losing meekly, predictably and shambolically.

I'd sack him and recruit Dyche, if he wants it.

Danny O’Neill
20 Posted 27/12/2022 at 10:31:34
When I saw the changes being made at Finch Farm this year, I thought that finally the club was changing. Maybe it still is and it's going to take time with pain along the way.

But my alarm bells started privately with Lampard's comments after the Palace match.

I watched an interview with him this week, which, again, raised a few flags. Once again, he was full of praise for the Chairman and our CEO.

Honesty as always from Frank, but he seems to have been sucked into the Kenwright spell pretty quickly.

Like many before him, he will likely end up being yet another fall guy, while the pantomime villains, Captain Hook and Cruella de Ville remain in situ waiting for the next victim.

Still raw. This may take a few days.

Mark Ryan
21 Posted 27/12/2022 at 10:32:14
Paul Tran, I concur.

Love Frank but he's not doing it.

We cannot continue with Maupay as a lone striker. Frank's had over a month to understand that and yet he persists. Bang your head on a wall and it will always hurt.

For fuck's sake, Frank, wake up!!!

Andy Meighan
22 Posted 27/12/2022 at 10:32:47
Another abysmal performance.

I've been banging the "Give Frank 4 years" drum for a long time now but, in all honesty, I feel like I'm kidding myself. His lack of substitutions yesterday was an all-time low in his tenure.

Everyone sitting around me could see that, even after 25 minutes, Maupay on his own up front was a disaster. But no... Lampard left him on until the 82nd minute.

Ditto McNeil, Gordon and the vastly overrated Onana... awful players – just simply shocking. But the catalyst for me was when we got a corner and that cheeky bastard Onana gestured to the crowd to up the noise level.

Alongside the three I've mentioned, he was the worst player on the park. Offers nothing, completely nothing, defensively or offensively, got no passing skills, is slow, and seems unaware of what's going on around him.

But mark my word: it'll be the same side at Man City with possibly Cannon in for Maupay, and what a baptism that'll be for the lad.

My worry is, if they do sack Lampard, if crying arse fat chops has anything to do with it, Martinez will be the next manager.

And that, my friends will be it for me, I'll see the season out and I'll be gone. Because our board are so amateurish and out of touch it's unreal. But hey, we've had good times.

Steve Little
23 Posted 27/12/2022 at 10:33:17
Mike, 16, what a superb post.

Very perceptive and laugh-out-load hilarious in places.

You make some very serious points but I mainly want to thank you for the giggles on a gloomy morning.

Stephen Jones
24 Posted 27/12/2022 at 10:49:03
Put Dyche in charge.

At least he has a plan... not a very good one, I know, but he kept an awful team in the Premier League for years with not much money and we have bought some of his cast-offs.

Richard Lyons
25 Posted 27/12/2022 at 10:54:36
I don't often comment here; basically, I have neither the wit nor the insight of the rest of you. However, I think I know when I see a lost cause.

Mark @8 nailed it: it's a team totally bereft of ideas, and that's largely down to the cluelessness of the manager. Ditch him now.

But they won't – just as most managers cannot bring themselves to make a substitution while there is still time for them to make a difference, the board will stick with this loser until it's too late.

It's going to be almost too painful to witness – just beam me up and put me back down at the end of May, after we've been thrashed again by Bournemouth.

And I agree with Stephen #23 – Mike's post (#16) is very funny. Let's sign Giles Brandreth!

Pat Kelly
26 Posted 27/12/2022 at 10:56:28
“We were always going to be in another battle of some sorts this year because of where we were last year." – Lampard after yesterday's disaster.

He forgot to add "... because I brought in a load of wasters and I really don't know what I'm doing."

He's good at deflecting the blame but has no idea how to manage.

John Raftery
27 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:02:43
I hope Duncan doesn't get a job before mid-January. Unless we bring in one or two strikers or Frank adopts a different approach, I think he will be gone.

Does anyone else think we have one too many coaches; Ashley Cole, Paul Clements, Joe Edwards as well as a small army of performance, fitness, set-piece etc coaches?

I know all the top clubs have specialists but are our players receiving too much information and not enough clarity? When things aren't going well it is better surely to simplify the messaging.

I have said for several months we have too much width and not enough in the middle. I think Patterson needs experience behind him in the shape of Seamus bending his ear about positioning and care of the ball, just as Phil Neville did with the young Seamus of 2010-11.

I would play Patterson wide right in 4-4-2. That would give him more freedom to move forward while providing better defensive protection in front of Seamus.

I would play Gray centrally as one of the two up front. He is a finisher who is better drifting wide than he is starting from wide positions. I would drop Onana who is playing like a 35-year-old Ray Wilkins.

As for Anthony Gordon, is he any better than he was 2 years ago, when many were moaning about Carlo not playing him?

Ernie Baywood
28 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:07:41
The difference yesterday was having someone who can finish.

If you think we should beat Wolves easily because they're bottom, then you haven't been paying attention to this team in the last 18 months. We're in a relegation fight – there aren't any teams that we just should beat easily.

The effort was there. There was clearly a focus on moving the ball quicker. They're just not very good footballers at this level.

I didn't see a side sleepwalking towards relegation as we were before finally getting shot of previous managers. I saw a side playing for the manager. He's even turned Iwobi into a passable Premier League player.

He's certainly not without faults. His lack of subs is frustrating, but then see my previous comment on the lack of quality in the squad. Introducing Doucoure after 60 minutes won't help in that area.

I think we have to stick – whether we think we can attract a more credentialed manager or not. I think he'll have this team giving something close to their all.

I don't know that it will be enough. But I don't know that anyone available will be able to do it either. So it becomes a choice between stability or instability. I can't see how instability helps in this very real predicament we're in.

Mark Ryan
29 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:09:37
The other option is to wait for Graham Potter to be sacked at Chelsea. If he doesn't get the time afforded him at Chelsea, we must get him.

I have to hope Chelsea lose their next 2 or 3. It's a big 'if' but you never know...

Paul Tran
30 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:14:20
The thing is Mark, we might find a lot of managers, especially those currently based in England, who will probably know more than we do about how Everton is run and will prove far too intelligent to work under this regime.
Bill Griffiths
31 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:17:20
Up until 3pm yesterday, I was of the opinion we needed to give Frank a bit more time until after the transfer window; now, I'm not so sure of this.

Four minutes into the game and I thought "Same old crap served up by the same culprits and the same faces on the bench." I thought – given how things stand and having read comments stated by the Red Echo – that Price and Mills would have been on the bench in addition to Cannon.

Again, until 5 or 6 minutes to go, no substitutions other than replacing one headless chicken with another, when it was obvious changes were needed at half-time.

I honestly don't know if we should hold on to Frank until sometime after the window or act now before it's too late.

Saying that, I haven't got a clue as to who I would replace him with and it's hard to see how any manager could do any better with what's at hand.

I guess though it could be argued we should either stick with him or get someone in immediately so that they would have time to bring any signings they want in the transfer window.

I wish I could be as optimistic as Danny but I'm starting to get very worried... though I haven't thrown in the towel – yet!

Peter Mills
32 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:22:16
We've had too many managers waltz off into the sunset with a bag of swag hanging over their shoulders.

How about finding one who is prepared to be paid by results: no basic but, say, £100k per point? And get the players on proper incentivised pay while they're at it. And the directors' remuneration.

Stick that in your Strategic Review.

Paul Hewitt
33 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:26:33
If Frank was sacked today, how many Premier League clubs would want him as their manager?

I will tell you: none... absolutely none! But he's good enough for us, we deserve everything we get.

Tony Hill
34 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:27:02
Interesting thought about Coleman and Patterson, John @26.

My worry would be whether Seamus can endure a serious run of games, but it could work well as a duo for the reasons you give.

We have to be inventive in our situation.

Dave Lynch
35 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:27:03
A mauling at Man City and a defeat to Brighton and it's all over for Frank. City, if they turn up with an ounce of intent, could rack up a cricket score against us.

I personally was full of hope for this season; I honestly thought we would be comfortably mid-table... how wrong could I have been?

As for a striker? I can't see the board giving him any money; if it does go very wrong in the next 2 games, the new manager will want a few quid to spend.

John Keating
36 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:28:21
Here we go again...

Looking at other fixtures in the hope we can stay out of trouble.

Hate to say it but “come on United”!!

Sad.

Peter Neilson
37 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:35:33
I can't imagine any decent and ambitious manager wanting the job, it's become a poisoned chalice. One look at the squad and in particular the lack of creativity and goals in it would make them run a mile.

Unless we buy creative and goal-scoring players in January, changing the manager alone will be futile. To start the season with just Rondon available was terrible. The supporters could see it but the club couldn't. Shameful dereliction of duty.

Let's see what the New Year sales bring us.

Joe Francis
38 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:35:41
Bobby Martinez is available…
Andy Meighan
39 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:45:15
Bill @30,

I haven't thrown in the towel either yet, but it looks like the players have already.

Danny O’Neill
40 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:47:19
Peter @31.

You touch on an interesting point.

Graham Potter when he was at Brighton.
Thomas Frank at Brentford.
Eddie Howe at Bournemouth.

I still see Howe as the English Martinez. Watch that space. It's going well now, as it did for Roberto initially, but I suspect as soon as a bigger and more glamorous name becomes available, Newcastle will ditch him. Very different characters, but a bit similar to Man City with Mark Hughes.

The point: those three managers made the grade, their names, and respect in the game at very well-run clubs.

All would have failed at Everton in a Mike Walker kind of way. The real problem is far beyond the manager. Just about every manager that takes the Everton position is not set up for success.

Look beyond the dugout.

See you at the next one, Peter. For our sins.

Jim Bennings
41 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:47:48
Does anyone think a new manager will seriously make this team better to watch?

Will Sean Dyche's style of play be accepted by fans that are now so impatient that it's bordering on insanity?

I personally think Dyche will get the same grief as Allardyce after 4 months of mind-numbing granite but unsuccessful due to the mental fragility of our players.

I think Lampard probably is two or three games away from the axe, yes; whether it's right or wrong isn't relevant.

But I know one thing is certain: if we go down the Sean Dyche route, then we may as well have just sat there and kept Rafa Benitez.

Dave Lynch
42 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:50:02
Joe...

Martinez is a busted flush.

Other than one very lucky FA Cup win, he has done nothing in the game.

He failed spectacularly with a world class bunch of players for Belgium; I'm convinced he would have got us relegated.

Anthony Murphy
43 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:52:16
My main worry is that those in charge of replacing Lampard have a very limited approach – a ragbag of ex-contacts.

Let's not forget: Kenwright wanted Martinez in some sort of job-share with the Belgium FA, and Moshiri had his mate at Goodison clearing the path for one of his clients in Pereira.

The shortlist of Frank, Dunc and Pereira was an embarrassment – Dunc on the train to London in a shirt and tie. Jesus wept. Rooney saw it was a circus and gave it a wide birth.

Not long before this, we had Nuno Espirito Santo lined up but pulled the plug due to his demands. Moyes was a done deal but we changed our minds.

So here we are again, If we go down – and I think it's now a certainty – blame Lampard by all means, but our manager recruitment process is an utter shambles... amateur and an embarrassment.

Lampard should never have been appointed – a more professional approach was needed but was sadly lacking.

Jamal Hassim
44 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:59:25
Where do we even start with the revamp of EFC? The rot runs throughout the organization from the owner to the first eleven.

The first eleven, a garbage of a team, is symptomatic of greater ills within the club. I've supported them for the best part of 35 years and, except for a spell (which we barely remember), it's frustration and pain every year.

Every year, we faithful moan about the same thing (more or less); change the owner, change the management, change the coach, same result! Reminds me of the England team as well actually; the celebration of mediocrity.

At this stage, we are clearly not good enough to be even a mid-table club in the Premier League.

Am I the only one here to think that relegation isn't the worst idea?? Forces a reset and rethink, and for the management to go back to the basics on setting up a proper structure for the future.

The spine of the team needs to be built from a properly run youth system – producing players who will care enough for the community, the club, the badge, and play their hearts out, week-in & week-out. We can't buy talent; we can't buy a trophy... that is the kind of delusion that has put us right where we are!

And a final point, Frank is a great guy and was a great player... but he hasn't got a tactical bone in his body to save himself – nor a persona to inspire a bunch of highly paid lost boys.

Meanwhile, we supporters should vote with our feet. The ownership of the club clearly don't see that they have lost the plot and we as fans need to let them see it.

Pat Kelly
45 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:07:39
Wanted: A manager who can organise a bunch of bang-average players, show some fight, and give their all to save the club from relegation.

Isn't that what they're paid to do?

I don't care who it is as long as he knows how to set up a team, motivate the players to fight for 90 minutes, and adapt the tactics to the opposition.

Lampard has none of these qualities. He's all soundbites and excuses. It's as if it's out of his hands. It will be soon... but maybe too late.

Lynn Maher
46 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:08:18
I really thought I had calmed down today. And then I foolishly clicked on the CEO's Everton progress in 2022 report. Please do not read this report if you already have high blood pressure.

It's nearly as long as War and Peace and written in a similar vein. I shall just tempt you with two gems.

As a result of Kevin Thelwell's work, 26 positions have been filled over the past nine months. They tie in with the 120-point action plan for... blah, blah, blah.

The absence of Premier League football gave our players extra time to give back to the community. Both Anthony Gordon and Dwight McNeil asked how they could support initiatives helping those in need.

Well, after yesterday at the match, maybe I can answer that: Try playing joined-up football!

Simple.

Anthony A Hughes
47 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:09:00
Relegation would be the final nail in the coffin for me.

The Championship is an unforgiving league and, if we didn't come straight back up, then the TV money gets reduced and we end unable to attract sponsorship, unable to attract better players and the inevitable downward spiral would kick in.

We must stay up — whatever it takes.

Peter Hodgson
48 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:18:40
One question for everyone to think about.

The players and the manager are roundly criticized on here – and I too have participated in that – but, after yesterday's loss, I wonder if we have been partially wrong?

Although there is nothing we can do about it except air our views, should we be looking, and pointing the finger, elsewhere?

We have had a legion of managers who haven't changed things for the better. Can they all have been duffers? Probably not. Look elsewhere then.

The only place to look then is off the pitch in the corridors of power. Despite a number opinions to the contrary, there has got to be something seriously wrong there.

My question therefore is: If you subscribe to that view, rather than getting rid of the manager, who do you get rid of and what structure do you impose going forward? And I suppose that you also have to ask if it is doable and would it make any difference?

I think that the answer to that is: Yes, it is doable and should be done... but it isn't feasible within the short time frame now available to us to make any difference. So I suppose we will have to make do with the managerial revolving door until someone gets lucky. A bit like roulette really.

Derek Knox
49 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:25:52
Jamal @ 43, spot on there, by the way.

I have suffered longer than yourself but, as a supporter and lover of Everton Football Club, I can see, and know where the problems are. It stems from the mentality, or rather the lack of it, that has been onboard since the Maggot crawled into our Big Apple.

I have been on many protests against Kenwright, but guess what: he comes out in the reports, smelling of roses, and the blame recently has been deflected towards Moshiri.

I also learned that this festering piece of a parasite is picking up £2M a year as Chairman, and Barrett-Baxendale about half of that amount. No wonder he doesn't want to vacate!

An analogy is Nero, allegedly playing the fiddle while Rome burned. Whether they had fiddles then is debatable... but Kenwright is on one Big Fiddle!

James Byrne
50 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:36:33
I think most of us have started to wave the Premier League white flag as we know and feel the inevitable is coming: Relegation.

We can still survive this season but I'm afraid we are papering over the cracks as our problems at this club are deep-rooted, and not going away anytime soon. Nothing to do with Frank Lampard.

We all have our own variants as to why we are so shit but, for me, I'll always go back to our historically poor player recruitment policy. Not just crap at sourcing in so-called experienced professionals, but also the situation at the Finch Farm academy and what that facility is supposed to do and produce, compared to the levels of investment spent on it!

In comparison to our situation, you only have to look across the park to some of the young talent getting opportunities to start for the first team. Last night, Ben Doak aged 17, previously players like Harvey Elliot and a handful more 17-year-olds on the verge.

Other Premier League clubs giving chances to players as young as 15 years old (Arsenal).

Constantly changing managers has left the academy without any proper direction or objectives and, as a result, it's turned into a "boys club"; you get in on who you know etc, being coached by ex-Everton players who have limited success in their own careers; nice work if you can get it!

For the cost to run this facility, Finch Farm doesn't produce anywhere near the potential we need as a Premier League club, yet others do!

On a similar note, you look at Brighton; sold Bissouma last season to Spurs for a huge profit and just slotted in Caicedo who hasn't even flinched in the Premier League since his arrival. Replacing one of the top 5 CDM's in the world!
Caicedo was brought into the youth system and was prepared by BHA for a purpose.

Overall, at Everton, we haven't got a fucking clue or a long-term plan on any similar forward-thinking strategy when it comes to player or position recruitment.

All of these issues are triggered by the Moshiri money and a blinkered, clueless Chairman who surrounds himself with bedwetters and yes-men!

If we do hit rock bottom and end up relegated this season, there will be all sorts of enquiries, this, and that reason etc. One of those reasons will be our poor recruitment planning – or lack of one. That will be brushed under the carpet with a handful of other excuses.

Everything in life happens for a reason. At Everton, all of our downfall has been self-inflicted.

Steve Cotton
51 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:38:44
2 years ago, we could have brought Mitrovic for about £10M. Loads on here said "Yer but he will never do it in the Premier League – he is too slow."

Well, that one single player has got Fulham into the Top 8...

He is exactly what we have been missing for months and months.

Fine lines...

Tony Hill
52 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:41:53
Derek @48,

You're right about Kenwright and Barrett-Baxendale looking to use Moshiri as a lightning rod. I think Moshiri is hopeless but the source of the dripping poison lies elsewhere.

Stew Marsland
53 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:52:22
Our situation has nothing to do with Frank, he is trying to make the best of an appallingly run club.

Yes, his tactics are questionable sometimes but he is working under pressure continually. The club has been ruined by the Teary One which has been mentioned many times for obvious reasons.

Our decline coincides exactly with his control and, until he is ousted, nothing will change. Think of the quality of Ancellotti, Koeman, Benitez (yes), Silva – all managers that have won trophies... All have been absolute dross here – there has to be a reason for this.

Moshiri must rue giving Kenwright control of his money;, in effect, that is what he was after exactly. Bill must be removed somehow – the question is how?

I don't know.

Paul Hewitt
54 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:17:06
Everton spent £35 million on McNeil and Maupay.

Liverpool spend an initial £35 million on Gakpo.

Says it all really.

Peter Mills
55 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:19:07
Danny #39, I hope so. I enjoyed our conversation last time.

Best wishes to you and your family.

Jim Bennings
56 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:24:03
Frank can't be blamed for the mess he inherited. As I say, the club is and has been in the doldrums for years.

I do worry why he (or whoever assisted him) sanctioned the signings he's made since he's been here, however, as only Coady and Tarkowski have made any sense.

Van de Beek
Dele Alli
Onana
Gana
Maupay
McNeil

All look like wastes of time and money.

I judge players on what are they offering to the team, and they are all adding to our problems right this moment.

Tony Abrahams
57 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:25:14
And Liverpool sell players like Nico Williams for £18 million, whilst we get next to nothing for our younger players, Paul.

Burnley allegedly sold us McNeil on a long-term drip, but wouldn't sell us Cornet, unless we paid all the money up front.

It's the same with Onana, who was part of a similar deal, although I don't understand why we signed Maupay, and also don't know the terms of that deal.

We are just simply very badly run from top to bottom, and it seems as if we have also been without a well thought-out long-term plan for way too long now, unfortunately.

Jerome Shields
58 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:26:07
For me, it was a typical after-a-break performance from Everton. For years after international breaks, such performances have been produced by a backroom regime that allows rest and recovery and a squad with no immediate up-and-coming match as a goal for training.

The whole lot goes into holiday mode on these breaks and we get one of the players wheeled out to tell us to support the manager. This is passing the buck, because on the training pitch few are putting in the effort to support the manager by putting the necessary hardwork into their own performance.

Those in the backroom who are trying to get work done are finding themselves up against a dated rest and recovery regime that allows players to run rings around those trying to get the necessary work in.

Hence incoming players gravitate to the group level norms that we repeatedly witness on the pitch. This is not the first time we have seen this Everton trademark performance.

Futher on top of that, other Premier League clubs have modern high-performance training regimes, whilst Everton is harking back to the School of Science regime of the 1970s. The only proper training at Everton is on match days, but they are so behind, it now shows up on a regular basis.

Everton's structure is orientated to support this dated structure. In the program notes, we have 26 new appointments, mostly supporting it.

The arrogance is unbelievable, because anyone who tries to change and demand more work is resisted and finds themselves with no option but to leave the club.

Kunal Desai
59 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:29:22
Paul @53,

Look at this logically. The club sold Richarlison on 1 July. They had approximately 2 months... two months to identify adequate replacements... and all they could muster was McNeil and Maupay. Maupay arrived days before the summer window shut.

My question is this; How is this club going to bring in a couple of forwards in half the time they have in this window? – One that's notoriously difficult to do business in with better options than McNeil and Maupay?

What confidence does it give any supporter this club will deliver? None whatsoever.

Ray Roche
60 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:43:16
Actually Kunal, it's even worse than you suggest.

If, as I read at the time (2021), Richarlison agreed to stay for one more year before leaving, then we had a whole year to prepare for his departure. Why a suitable replacement wasn't found is nothing short of a disgrace.

I can't imagine a more amateurish outfit running any club than the muppets we have here. It's incompetence of the highest order.

Dave Abrahams
61 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:48:11
Kunal (58),

Well, they've had 5 months since the start of the season to rectify not getting a proper striker in come January – only nobody at Everton ever seems to acknowledge the many mistakes that are made.

Kieran Kinsella
62 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:50:31
Forget new contracts for Iwobi and Gordon. Next June, we have Dele Alli and Andre Gomes returning.

Both are on £100k plus a week. If we add Iwobi and Gordon to that club, how the hell are we going to stay solvent in the Championship?

Pat Kelly
63 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:56:55
To suggest that "our situation has nothing to do with Frank" begs the question "What is he doing here?"

Admitting that his tactics are "questionable sometimes" acknowledges he has at least some responsibility. Likewise, look at his signings. They are largely a waste of money.

We didn't hire him for his media performances.

Chris Leyland
64 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:57:44
Kieran,

Gomes won't be returning as his contract expires on 30th June 2023 but Dele Alli will almost certainly be back in summer with a year left on his contract.

To be fair, he might actually find his current level when he's playing for us in the Championship next season.

Clive Rogers
65 Posted 27/12/2022 at 14:24:38
Chris @63,

I think you'll find he's with us until June 2024. He's on a 5-year contract, signed 25 June 2019.

Kunal Desai
66 Posted 27/12/2022 at 14:28:23
No such thing as succession planning at this club. It's run by a fucking load of donkeys.
Mark Ryan
67 Posted 27/12/2022 at 14:30:16
Extra time. We fanny around with the ball, lose it, and then crucially Doucoure misses his tackle.

Embarrassed and eager to sprint back to make up for his missed tackle? Not a jot... he ambles back, despite his fresh legs, and could not give a shit.

He's out of the first-choice XI and cares not a jot for his team or the fans. Sums our squad up.

Allan Board
69 Posted 27/12/2022 at 15:18:12
If as much anger and vitriol was directed at the Directors Box as is at the manager, Everton would be top of the league.
Because that's the fuckers who have ruined Everton.

Every time the fans fill Goodison, their position strengthens. Just stop going if you want it to really change.

2014 and counting for me, and my bro has a remembrance tree by the gate at Finch Farm, just on the left as you drive in.

I get an invite every year – but I won't insult his memory as my bro and a real Evertonian by going and encouraging the filth that have ruined our Everton.

Tony Abrahams
70 Posted 27/12/2022 at 15:42:36
That's very sad, Allan, but also quite understandable, because I'm having a similar fight with myself right now with regards to going to watch Everton play, for very similar reasons.

I'm also hearing similar stories regarding the sale of Everton (it's taking its bloody time) although one mate has told me that it's Kenwright who is holding up the sale.

We will see, because I don't believe he is wanted anywhere near Everton if these new buyers eventually purchase the club. So maybe it won't be long before you can hopefully go to Finch Farm once again, Allan. 🤞

Bill Gall
71 Posted 27/12/2022 at 15:56:51
I fully agree with the comments on the board to be overhauled and some of the directors not on the board need to be scrutinized.

In most major companies, whether it is in the construction industry, or the automotive or financial industry, or at Everton FC in the football industry, failure at the top is what brings it down.

My argument is and has been that you don't get any higher at the top than Farhad Moshiri and, as owner, he is the only one that can fire or retire any person employed by the club, including the Chairman and the CEO, who seem to be the main recipients of the supporters' criticism.

Is there no way the supporters, by any reaction from them or their representatives, can make their feelings known to the owner, who I doubt reads ToffeeWeb?

One thing I would not recommend to supporters is not to go to the game as you are punishing yourselves; if I still lived in Liverpool, I know I could not do it.

As I believe the actual people on the board are not going to admit it is their poor leadership that is the problem, it is the owner's problem to allow it to continue.

Rob Halligan
72 Posted 27/12/2022 at 16:06:18
Bill, this Fans Advisory Board, or whatever they are called, should be the ones putting questions to the Everton board, demanding answers.

I put on here a few weeks back that one of the FAB members travels on the official club coaches for away games, the same coach I usually go on.

I did say that if anybody wanted me to put any questions to him, to let me know, and I would try and put these to him. To date, I've not been given any. There is still time before the next away game if anybody wants anything asking.

Bill Gall
73 Posted 27/12/2022 at 16:29:02
Rob #72,

I understand what you are saying but this Fans Advisory Board are talking to the people who the majority of supporters are saying, 'They are the problem!'

Do you think they will admit to that?

How do you get rid of them?

The only answer is Farhd Moshiri. I don't know the set-up at Everton FC but, in most companies, the board members and shareholders can vote out the Chairman. However, as Moshiri owns over 90% of the shares, it is up to him.

I may be wrong and maybe someone else can provide the answer on how to get the Chairman and other Board members out?

Rob Halligan
74 Posted 27/12/2022 at 16:32:34
Bill,

They may not admit to it, but it will sure as hell let them know the feelings of the fans towards the board, in particular Kenwright and Barrett-Baxendale. The only problem being, any awkward questions asked could see a FAB member being asked to leave the FAB.

Peter Mills
75 Posted 27/12/2022 at 16:34:22
Bill #71,

For the past 24 hours, I have been contemplating not going to the game any more in order to stop punishing myself.

Andrew Ellams
76 Posted 27/12/2022 at 16:40:58
Rob @ 72,

I do have a question and that is how much say and influence does the FAB actually have about what is going on in the boardroom? Are they there for genuine reasons or just to paint a picture to the rest of us that the board is willing to listen?

Rob Halligan
77 Posted 27/12/2022 at 16:43:33
Duly noted, Andrew. I will compile a list and hand it to the FAB member on Saturday.
Dale Self
78 Posted 27/12/2022 at 16:56:28
Richard @25,

This is an overrated group of commenters; you should be showing up more often.

Wringing hands over Frank is not an option here. He had a target of performance to obtain from his squad and I think we all agree he underperformed.

This many games in does not permit the "Yeah but the [insert management, squad, whatever]" defense. You either believe he will turn it around and get behind him, or you're hiding from the inexorable.

Moshiri needs to step up or he really looks a weak man here. Say something to give the fans an indication that the management are engaged. Otherwise, this could get ugly in a hurry. We can already feel that…

BTW, referring to others as overrated was indeed coming from a retard.

Kevin Molloy
79 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:03:25
I am surprised there are still a lot of people prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. He deserves the sack for the Dele Alli deal alone.

Imagine signing up to a deal where, in the best-case scenario, you only lash out £15M in wages on condition that you never play him? Worst case, you lash out £55M on a player who's now down to 18 months left on his contract. And this is in full knowledge that we've got no bleeding money!!!

He is careless to the point of profligacy. He's spent another bomb in the summer, and the big-money buys have been a disaster. £70M and no improvement to the team? Bravo sir!

There are now a number of decent managers around, and one or two who may become available in the next couple of weeks. We need to wait for the result against Man City (yeah, right) and then end this cockney experiment.

Tony Abrahams
80 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:14:41
I wonder where Lampard would sit if you just started a league table from his very first game in charge of Everton?

He came into a very dysfunctional club, but he's struggling really badly right now, and definitely needs some reinforcements; otherwise, I think we will be relegated without a serious fight?

The stories of a takeover won't go away, but the latest rumours I've heard about Kenwright's involvement, because he wants to stay involved, might just throw a spanner in the works, do sound very concerning.

I'd normally file under bollocks, because when you look at the percentage of shares, it's definitely Moshiri's club. But we are talking about Bill Kenwright here, and how he's still involved at Everton. When you take all things into consideration, it is really hard to fathom without some kind of underhand dealings,having taken place somewhere along the line.

Dave Lynch
81 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:17:11
Kevin, you're right about the Dele Alli deal but we are not privy to the conversation Frank had with him.

He may've assured him that his mind and heart were in it and he'd give 100%.

The sad thing is... he was our best player in that infamous Palace game when he came on and his flashes of class probably went a long way to keeping us up.

Kevin Molloy
82 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:30:06
Dave,

You've seen what Dele Alli is like. Would you take anything he said at face value? It's not like we didn't know he was on a major slide.

Frank is a nice guy, but we need a serious professional, not a great ex-player who is benefitting from a raised profile. Look at his record: thumped by Gerrard's Villa, Tuchel's Chelsea, bottom-of-the-league Wolves, and Bournemouth, minutes away from a home defeat by Nottm Forest... it's just not good enough.

Obviously he won't be sacked this week; my big concern is that he is given our last few coppers to bring in a striker who turns out to be no better than Maupay. We need someone to spend that money who knows what he's doing.

Ray Roche
83 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:48:50
‘He is given our last few coppers to bring in a striker'

Kevin, is it just down to Lampard or does Thellwell have the greater input?

If it's just Lampard, then what is Thellwell's role? Trimming the squad?

Brian Wilkinson
84 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:51:56
What makes my blood boil is, when the Newcastle takeover came in, they did not say, "Oh, by the way, Mike Ashley, we have decided to keep you here, and you can be Chairman as well – how does that sound?"

They got Ashley out of the cub, brought their own people in, and a year on, Newcastle are now where we should have been 6 years ago.

6 years of a massive opportunity to get our club back up there again, 5 years head start on Newcastle, to get the right personnel in, and we made a complete balls of it.

You can bring as many managers in as you like, but as long as we have the three stooges on the board, we are only heading one way. One of these days, our luck of staying up by the skin of our teeth is going to run out.

Week after week, we have the same old faces, same old subs, leaving subs too late, but when you mention the likes of Cannon, Mills or Price, they get written off for not being ready.

Has anyone taken a good look at the players ahead of them? No doubt the very mention of trying a Plan B will be shot down, but Jesus Christ, we cannot keep going with the same players, week after week, and after-match discussions of how poor they are. It then starts again, try some of the kids, nah, next match over players slated, let's try some of the kids, nah.

Something needs to change, we cannot keep going with the same players, we need to do a few tweaks. Can Cannon be any worse than Maupay or Rondon? Those are the players that have been keeping Tom Cannon out of the team.

Can Stan Mills be any worse than McNeil? Is Isaac Price really worse than some of the midfielders keeping him out? After the Bournemouth maulings and that performance yesterday, can the three I mentioned do any worse than those ahead of them???

Stick your "Send them out on loan", "not ready yet"… desperate times call for desperate measures – time to take a chance.

Kevin Molloy
85 Posted 27/12/2022 at 18:00:43
Ray,

I'm sure it's some sort of committee. But if we bring in someone in the next few weeks, I'm pretty sure he'll get the vote at this point.

Jim Lloyd
86 Posted 27/12/2022 at 18:08:43
I thought that sacking the manager would just make a bad situation worse, especially if we have little or no money to improve the squad. Then I wrote to a mate this morning pointing out the players I thought were poor yesterday. Poor decision-making, poor control of the ball, poor at reading the game, poor at heading, poor at shooting, poor at passing.

Most of the players he's brought in are poor at some or all of the above. McNeil, Onana, Maupay... and he's brought Gordon into the team. I think the two centre-halves and Gueye are doing a decent job and I haven't seen enough of Gana to say. But 3 of these players cost an awful lot of money lot of money, and to be honest, none of the three have improved the team (well, not to me they haven't).

The big trouble we are in now is, what happens next. Have we enough funds to buy two goalscorers and a creative midfielder who will improve our attacking options, as after yesterday, even calling them powder puff is a bit optimistic. Does the club trust the current management team to spend what money is available on quality players?

I don't think the club can afford to bring a manager in who they hope will save the club from the drop. I think they need to bring the best manager in they can get (would they know one?) and let him sort out this squad properly and who will, even if we go down, rebuild it.

I think, Tony, that if Kenwright is still able to wield such influence, then we are truly, truly in the mire.

Nick White
87 Posted 27/12/2022 at 18:38:59
Hi Tony,

I saw an article very recently about where we would be in the Premier League since Lampard took over.

Amazingly, it is about 1 or 2 places above where we are now, albeit only 2 points off the bottom of the Premier League.

Nick White
88 Posted 27/12/2022 at 18:46:23
I meant to add:

The other stat I've read (not sure if it's accurate but will assume it is) is that Lampard has a better win percentage than Martinez did in his final 2 seasons. That's crazy but just shows how poor we have been and how bad it was under Roberto!

Brian Wilkinson
89 Posted 27/12/2022 at 18:51:57
Jim,

Frank did not bring Gordon into the team, that was Rafa. He said at the time Gordon has not got 90 minutes in him, but Rafa played Gordon regularly.

Taking Gordon out of the equation, and the two players signed under Rafa's reign, Patterson and Mykolenko, name one youngster that has been given a chance by Frank in the Premier League?

They simply are not being given a chance, 7 mins for Cannon yesterday, 8 Mins for Mills in the League Cup game v Bournemouth. The one shining light on tour and in the cup has been Price, yet he cannot even make it from the bench.

I said to you before, Jim, Rafa got unbelievable stick and hardly any backing, yet he was only given £2M in the summer transfer window before his management start.

Lampard has brought his own players in, has been treated like the second coming of Christ, and been given unbelievable backing by the fans. Is he doing a better job than Rafa?

I don't think so but, much as I dislike Rafa, when he was our Manager, he got my full backing, rightly or wrongly. Rafa didn't deserve that toxic abuse from his first defeat. The only game towards the end when the fans really got behind the team was the Arsenal home game, and we won it.

Makes you wonder, had we been as vocal before Frank, had the smoke flares out, that type of vocal backing, just maybe we may have ground a few more results out under Rafa?

Would I want Rafa back? No. Am I happy with Frank? No, his late subs are beyond baffling.

Whatever happens going forward, we have to give a chance to Price, Cannon and Mills; put those three in and take Maupay, McNeil and one of the midfielders out and see how it goes.

Cristobal Aguirre
90 Posted 27/12/2022 at 19:20:57
There is no chance to avoid relegation. The level of most of the players is no more than League One, some are Championship level and only two or three have the level to be on the bench in a low-level team in the Premier League.

Thus, it is not worth firing Lampard, it will only cost millions that it is impossible to save, because to avoid relegation we must hire 20 Premier League players, which is impossible.

Bill Gall
91 Posted 27/12/2022 at 19:23:54
Rob #74

Just got back from shopping and read what you said. I am taking what you said that the FAB, which is what the club requested, is really under censorship.

And that is no disrespect to the FAB members as they are more involved in the welfare of the club than I am able to be.

I wonder if there are minutes of these meetings and copies sent to Farhad Moshiri.

Nick White
92 Posted 27/12/2022 at 19:32:23
Cristobal,

We have over half the season left, 22 games. Of course we can survive relegation, we aren't even in the relegation zone currently!

But, unless we find a way to start winning, even if it's scrappy 1-0 wins, we will be going down.

Don't give up yet; a lot of football still to be played. Stranger things have happened. When Mike Walker was manager, we had the lowest points tally of any team that didn't end up being relegated.

Ray Roche
93 Posted 27/12/2022 at 19:40:06
Kevin @85,

Well, I hope whoever has the last word has more vision than the cretin who decided that Maupay was the answer. I mean, what the fuck was the question if he was the answer?

Jim Lloyd
94 Posted 27/12/2022 at 19:42:29
Brian,

I know that and I think it was because we had no cash to buy one. I mean as a regular when we had an opportunity to buy a goalscorer or maybe two.

I think that Gordon has some areas of the game that he's weak on. I'd like to see a couple of goalscoring forwards brought in during the transfer window and a midfielder (James Maddison'd do!) who can create goals.

There are posters who point out how our young players on loan are doing. Except for Ellis Simms, not very well, they report. I agree with you about Tom Cannon, give him more time on the pitch and let's see what he can do… but we need decent goalscorers right now.

We still need goalscorers though and look at the winger Liverpool just signed, a goalscoring winger. If we're to have a chance of escaping the drop, we need quality forward players right now.

I'd love to have seen Ellis Simms stay as well. Where he, Tom Cannon and Anthony Gordon could come off the subs bench as and when.

Brian Wilkinson
95 Posted 27/12/2022 at 20:41:40
Maddison or Gallagher, either of those two would improve our midfield going forward, Jim,

If Brereton Diaz is available for around £10 Million, then that has to be worth a gamble in an attacking sense; if he gets the goals, then just staying in the Premier League will more than pay for his transfer fee.

We can no longer rely on Calvert-Lewin getting through the second half of the season without missing large parts of games.

Two centre-forwards is a must in the January window, even if loans. We have to get someone who can put the ball in the back of the net, and get extra coaching in for Gordon and Gray at crosses.

Cristobal Aguirre
96 Posted 27/12/2022 at 20:55:20
Nick @92.

It is true that many times we have saved ourselves from relegation in situations equal to or worse than the current one but, in all of them, we had at least one outfield player who could score goals (last season, it was Richarlison).

We don't have any star-level players in the Premier League this season; so, for me, this time it is impossible to escape relegation.

In addition, I am really sorry to say that but our manager is a football illiterate who has not been able to improve anything in almost a year in charge of the team.

Finally, maybe it is good to be relegated. I know it sounds stupid, but I cannot see how we could get rid of all the scum that is now in the club.

Jim Lloyd
97 Posted 27/12/2022 at 21:03:30
That's what I hope for, Brian, getting Brereton Diaz and hopefully another scorer.

To get the best goalscorers available, that we can afford or on loan, a midfielder who knows how to create chances for the forwards and is capable of scoring a few as well, then we have a chance.

The best way for the young lads with undoubted skills to learn about the Premier League is to have them in the squad and introduce them into a settled team as and when the circumstances allow, and not for the last 5 minutes!

ps: Cristobal, some good points, mate!

Brian Wilkinson
98 Posted 27/12/2022 at 21:08:47
I can offer some hope for the Brighton game and, at the moment, I am willing to try anything.

I have managed to get my daughter a ticket for the Brighton game, no big deal until you look at her stats over the years.

She has been to 13 games with me and is yet to taste defeat, with a record of 11 wins and 2 draws.

Win that game and I am seriously thinking of letting her use my season ticket for the rest of the season; she is already on the season ticket waiting list.

It won't be long before reality kicks her up the backside on tasting defeat, just not for the Brighton game, I hope.

Agree 100%, Jim.

Paul Hewitt
99 Posted 27/12/2022 at 21:09:22
Maybe we can sign Diaz from Blackburn.

And offer then Cannon on loan.

Si Cooper
100 Posted 27/12/2022 at 21:15:22
Frank's words similar to this: "No, in fact in those closing minutes we could have perhaps pressed or tried a little harder"???? No shit, Sherlock!

That comment tells me the players' mindset is too defensive. He has them playing within themselves and this shackles them.

My interpretation was that (yet again) the players defaulted to their unadventurous worst, which isn't what he is wanting them to do.

I don't think a new manager would make much difference. We should have been 2 goals clear before we got to added on time. Too many of the likes of Gordon, Gray, McNeill and Maupay are inconsistent or simply perpetually delivering too little. Is it possible to get a couple in in January? Would changing the manager facilitate that / make it harder to recruit?

Yesterday wasn't so bad that 2 combative performances in the next 2 games wouldn't give me heart.

Joe McMahon
101 Posted 27/12/2022 at 21:15:59
In just a few months, the impact and changes Vincent Kompany has made to Burnley's style of play and goals scored underlines why Everton should never approach Sean Dyche. They are winning again.
Kieran Kinsella
102 Posted 27/12/2022 at 21:28:32
Rob Halligan,

Genuine question. It's not the biggest issue by far at the club but one of the mysteries that has puzzled me and is indicative I think of our transfer business: Who decided to sign Patterson?

Rafa was on the way out, Frank hadn't come yet. We'd been linked with him back when Brands was here, when Stevie G basically went public saying he'd charge us an arm and a leg.

We then heard from the Rangers CEO that Bill did the negotiating for £12 million or so. The fee being far in excess of anything Rangers received for more established players and way in excess what Liverpool have paid this summer and recently for other somewhat more established prospects.

So who decided to press ahead with paying more than twice what we had offered under Brands, seeing as we had no manager in role at the time?

Who was making the football decisions in the absence of a coach or DOF? And what are the credentials of this individual?

Paul Hewitt
103 Posted 27/12/2022 at 21:33:50
Noe @101,

Dyche would get us playing to our strengths, he would probably sign a tall striker and play long ball.

All this tippy-tappy crap Lampard tries to play is pathetic. This squad can't ever pass 5 yards to each other.

We need to stabilise for a few seasons then start a proper rebuild when we're in the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

Martin Faulkner
104 Posted 27/12/2022 at 21:51:04
Blackburn are currently 3rd in the Championship... I just can't see them letting Brereton Diaz go for cheap in January when they're in with a chance of automatic promotion or playoffs.

With promotion earning circa £135 million, it's a small gamble for them to keep him. It's also much more financially rewarding for him to become a free agent.

Brian Wilkinson
105 Posted 27/12/2022 at 23:07:01
Don't shoot the messenger but Chinese whispers: Wayne Rooney is top of the list, should Frank get the push.
Kieran Kinsella
106 Posted 27/12/2022 at 23:25:17
Brian Wilkinson was booed off this thread after a last gasp unpopular post...
Tony Everan
107 Posted 27/12/2022 at 23:25:49
Brian,

Here's the odds I can find today:

Ange Postecoglu 4/6
Mauricio Pochettino 5/2
Brendan Rodgers 4/1
Scott Parker 10/1
David Moyes 14/1
Sean Dyche 16/1
Duncan Ferguson 16/1
Vitor Pereira 16/1
Marcelo Bielsa 20/1
Wayne Rooney 20/1
Nuno Espirito Santo 25/1
Zinedine Zidane 25/1
Roberto Martinez 33/1

Cristobal Aguirre
108 Posted 27/12/2022 at 23:54:48
I would like Pochettino, Bielsa or Zidane.
Paul Hewitt
109 Posted 27/12/2022 at 23:56:25
I would take Ange all day. But he won't leave Celtic for us.
Paul Birmingham
110 Posted 27/12/2022 at 00:22:10
Time to focus on the facts of today, reflect on the good and bad stats from the past, but the next game counts.

The team is lacking belief, though a few players, less than a handful, play like they care for Everton and play for the shirt.

No passengers, without their license to play, and not be scared. Too many players taking the easy option, and the amount of times you could see pre-World Cup and yesterday, where certain players want to vanish.

More questions than answers, but there's no more time for feeling sorry; time to focus on the next game.

Plenty of chances, yesterday but no takers for the easier chances.

Beat Brighton, West Ham, and Southampton, chunking up some winnable games. It's possible, and would be some achievement. A smell of the salts, perhaps.

These teams are not playing too well, and Man City for all they are, can be beaten, as Brentford proved.

Doucouré done it vs Leicester, and done the same almost in the same position, on the pitch, yesterday. Time to offload, because the break lever no longer works...

Both wingbacks play like it's now or never and are getting caught out every game, with very little end product. It's predictable.

So it's going to take some guts and commitment to turn this current squad into playing with a genuine belief, and play players with confidence, who are match fit and ready.

Yesterday had high risk, bringing on Godfrey for a cameo, and he showed he wasn't ready. Holgate was a better choice at the time, imho.

But the next game counts. Hope eternal, and belief and guts are needed now, like never before, to ride this latest, tempest of poor form.

Fuck the media, and use their voice to prove a point. Everton can graft their way out of Shit Creek, as they have done many times before.

Brian Wilkinson
111 Posted 28/12/2022 at 01:35:32
Cheers, Tony.

Big odds 20/1 for Rooney, that. I cannot find any odds at the mo. I would have had a nibble of that 20/1!

Cristobal Aguirre
112 Posted 28/12/2022 at 01:41:57
Paul,

I am sorry to say but Brighton and West Ham are not winnable games. They will beat us easily, for sure by more than two goals of difference. Maybe we can take a point from Saints, just maybe.

Our players play with fear all the game, you can notice that the last 2 minutes against Wolves... They were moving the ball 2 minutes in the additional times in the middle of the field and nobody knows what to do.

We lack an attacking system, we can create nothing with the winger we have, and Maupay already scored his goal for this season. No more goals from him, I am sure of that.

Our midfielders cannot create chances and cannot control or pass the ball properly. The defenders are not bad but they have a lot of pressure all the game and do not have the ability to pass the ball onwards. So, when they try to play, they always lose the ball in a dangerous position which costs us every game a goal or a massive chance for the opponents.

Pickford is stressed all game because he knows that the team cannot defend well. And the crap of the cake is our manager, who is doing nothing to improve things. So I tell you it now: No more than 1 point from those three games and most probably 0 points and 1 or 0 goals.

Jack Convery
113 Posted 28/12/2022 at 01:49:56
Bobby Brown Shoes is on his way back. No doubt with a former Blue as his No 2. It's why we bought Onana. I have no doubt he told Kenwright to get him.

The one consistent thing about Kenwright's tenure, apart from his ineptness, is the fans' toleration of watching our beloved club dying slowly before us, whilst shite carries on in the background.

We need to stay strong and get the board out now!

Steve Brown
114 Posted 28/12/2022 at 02:56:26
Postecoglu, formerly manager of Melbourne Victory and Yokahama Marinos, as our new boss? I thought we’d hit rock bottom when we hired the fat fella from Dalian.
Danny O’Neill
115 Posted 28/12/2022 at 06:53:02
Brian, wrap your daughter in cotton wool. We need the points.

But if I was a gambler, I think Frank has the Brighton game to save his bacon. He gets a pass for Man City unless it ends up being an embarrassment.

You would just like to hope the club's leadership have options lined up. Who has faith in that?

I'll use an unpopular example. It was clear that, as soon as the cousins knew Klopp was ready to step back into football, they were obviously talking to him and just waited for the moment to be rid of Rogers, who had very nearly won them the title at one point.

Ambition. There lies the problem. The ambition of our leadership is self-preservation and remaining in the top flight.

Mal van Schaick
116 Posted 28/12/2022 at 07:45:11
Root and branch reform or else we are only going one way and that is down. It's fine for the owner and board to have ambitions of a new stadium, but at what cost?

Give Lampard a two-game ultimatum, Man City aside, bollock the players and, if there is no improvement, sack Lampard.

Then give a new manager a chance in the transfer window to at least improve the squad moving players in and out. Current players have had their chances and have blown it.

Paul Cherrington
117 Posted 28/12/2022 at 09:24:44
Oh dear, that wasn't the result we needed. I now have a bad feeling about this season – we are basically in the same situation as last season but without Richarlison's goals to rescue us!

To be honest, I'm not even sure what the club should do next. We badly need stability and continuity in terms of managers and another change in the hotseat isn't ideal. But then we just cannot keep losing games and sleepwalking towards relegation. Tough choice for those at the top.

The other thing is that, if you do get rid of Lampard should things not pick up, who can you get in? I would imagine the list of good managers who are free and want to come here right now is short!

We have also tried multiple managers with different styles and backgrounds in the last few years, with none able to get a consistent tune out of the team. Who's to say we won't change it again but still be back here again next season?

Whoever is in charge, it goes without saying we badly need at least one proven, clinical striker in January. This must happen or we are gone. I don't want to hear excuses from the club about a deal that almost made it or there being no-one about to sign – they must do whatever it takes to get at least one new face in up top who knows how to score. There are players out there if we want them enough.

Lampard telling the attackers we have to be more clinical is just a waste of time. They have shown that, apart from Calvert-Lewin (whose fitness makes him unreliable right now), they just do not have it in them. Lampard can talk to them all he wants and run as many extra training drills as he likes – they just do not have it in them to score regularly in real games.

Nick Page
118 Posted 28/12/2022 at 09:34:57
Paul, Bill’s phone must be ringing off the hook with people from Everton asking what Everton would do in this situation.
Joe McMahon
119 Posted 28/12/2022 at 09:41:11
I'm thinking like many others, that for some reason we have a squad of players who cannot pass a ball forwards 5 yards, shoot at goal or have any positional awareness. Everton are a team with a history of being low goalscorers for the last 30-odd years and with no Champions League experience.

No matter who is manager, nothing will change. Maybe relegation may see a different Everton rising (a bit like what Kompany is doing for Burnley or Newcastle's change in fortunes), but my concern is this squad would not even make the playoffs in the very competitive league.

Dale Rose
120 Posted 28/12/2022 at 10:12:04
Sacking Lampard isn't the answer. Getting an effective striker is.

The Wolves game wasn't great but we played better than some are portraying on here.

Garry Martin
121 Posted 28/12/2022 at 10:21:44
This is the year when our beloved EFC are going down. If you look at the key indicators for Premier League relegated teams, EFC are indicating them all.

In the background: High turnover of managers, new ground being built, high spend on players with little return on re-sale value, owners looking to sell, high player salary packages.

On the pitch: Lack of forward play, players going missing on the pitch, high percentage of play at the back, tactics none existent, lack or virtual no presence of a striker, manager looking bewildered, players showing no confidence.

Perhaps EFC need a re-set in order to re develop itself and, perhaps relegation may be the longer-term answer to our seemingly ever-present problem for the last 10 to 20 years? It doesn't always work out that way, of course.

Clive Rogers
122 Posted 28/12/2022 at 10:49:44
Just reading that Pickford has yet to sign the agreed new contract which has alerted several clubs. He'll be the next to go and then we can settle to life in the Championship. Sleepwalking into oblivion.
Bob Parrington
123 Posted 28/12/2022 at 11:10:56
What a load of bollocks! Sack this manager, get the next manager... 17,000 times makes no difference if you don't fix the core problem. Fix the core problem is a basic business decision.

Basic is that we need a couple of at least decent strikers. Best if they can work together as a team of strikers. We don't need a new manager, we need new players in the right positions. Maupay was a bad selection if he has no major striker to work with.

To survive relegation, we need two basic strikers for this season, like Ings and Woods, a team who can work together. We have the wingers who can make the crosses. It's just that we have no target players in the middle.

This whole thing is so basic to putting a team together that it is frustrating for the fans to see that we don't seem to have a fucking clue as to how to solve the problem. Score more goals than the opposition and you win.

Sorry, guys and gals, I'm as frustrated as the rest of you are about losing to Wolves, when we were clearly the best team. But we have basic stuff to fix here and not get too carried away.

If we target the same players as those who can afford to pay larger sums of money, then we will always miss out. Start to be clever and buy promising talent and match their skill sets.

Frank — put your foot down with the board!!!

Mick Conalty
124 Posted 28/12/2022 at 11:11:21
Nick @118,

He would tell them to think about the good times.

Michael Lynch
125 Posted 28/12/2022 at 11:11:38
I think we go into the New Year with a fifty-fifty chance of going down. Right now, we're in the mix with half a dozen or so other under-achievers.

West Ham will be fine, they have a fantastic squad of players and an experienced manager. Wolves are going down playing like they did against us, but have a decent squad and a new manager. Forest look like rabbits caught in the headlights, and it will take something special to keep them out of the bBottom 3. Southampton are at least as bad as us. Leeds and Bournemouth could be dragged in but certainly Leeds should have enough.

So we're not definitely going down. Us, Forest, Wolves, Southampton, and either Leeds or Bournemouth could each either go down or survive by the skin of their teeth.

Obviously we need a goalscorer, but we also need Lampard to start using the bench, even if that means putting youngsters on it. Wolves seemed to make about a dozen changes, tactical and of personnel, before Lampard made his usual like-for-like tinker. He has to be bolder.

Cannon might be just another lower league plodder in the end, but why not stick him on with 30 minutes left when it's clear we have nobody on the pitch who can put the ball in the net?

Was Vinagre even on the bench? If so, put him on because he actually looks better going forward than Mykolenko. Push Onana up top and loft a few crosses into him.

But instead, Lampard plays the same tactics for 90 minutes and gives Cannon 5 minutes at the end.

Rob Halligan
126 Posted 28/12/2022 at 11:40:41
Clive,

I'm guessing you read that story on the BBC website gossip page. Reported by the Daily Mail, making one last desperate effort to try and get England's Number 1 to move to one of their darling clubs.

For fuck's sake, they even say “We understand the delay is at boardroom level, and not with the player. Sources have expressed surprise that the contract remains with the club's owners, when a swift resolution had been expected before Pickford left for Qatar.”

How the fuck can a “Source” know what's going on in the Everton boardroom? It's like a private little club in there, nobody ever gets to hear what's happening within those four walls. So just file under “Another pile of shite by the Daily Mail”.

Meanwhile, according to the Red Echo, Juventus are ready to make Moise Kean's move permanent and activate the buy clause. Doesn't say if it's in January or next summer, but if true, let's hope it's next month, and get some much-needed funds to buy one or (hopefully) two strikers.

Colin Glassar
127 Posted 28/12/2022 at 12:06:56
Rob, we also don't have a functioning board to leak these rumours. So the “source” is probably some 15-year-old apprentice with a chip on his shoulder.
Mark Andrews
128 Posted 28/12/2022 at 13:31:28
As if by magic, a stadium update appears.
Pete Clarke
129 Posted 28/12/2022 at 13:35:15
Pretty depressing reading most of our posts right now but I am now in the belief that, regardless of the squad, manager whatever, we just have to give it our best and hope we can outlast the other shit clubs.

Lampard surely has to realize that he's made mistakes with tactics and players, so we now have our backs to the wall; if he doesn't want to be on the managerial scrap heap from here on, then he has to start making big decisions. It may already be too late but he has to start changing things.

I can't dislike him for trying to do the right thing but lately some of his patter is bordering the typical southern bullshit his uncle is renowned for. That's not easy to swallow.

As for the main problem, cancer that has infected our club, well we should make his life as unbearable as possible for the rest of the season and beyond so that it becomes unbearable for him. And Moshiri himself has to act to remove that cancerous smell he brings to the club.

We are fully expected to be beaten by Man City so why don't we make the focal point of our supporters to be a rally against the Chairman?

What better example could we throw at Kenwright than the ownership of Man City — given that it could have been us!

Alan J Thompson
130 Posted 28/12/2022 at 14:24:22
Given how long it takes the Board to take the next mistaken step (one step forward, two steps back), are Dunc and Unsie ready and prepared to stand in for the next month or more?

If ya know yer history?

James Flynn
131 Posted 28/12/2022 at 14:56:42
Re Pickford.

He's 29 in a couple of months. His next contract is his last big one.

I can see him going if this window doesn't bring in some legit attacking talent.

Rob Halligan
132 Posted 28/12/2022 at 15:21:55
Mark #128.

I think if you look closely enough, the club website have been giving stadium updates practically every week for the last few months. It's got sweet fuck-all to do with results or trying to pacify the fans.

There are plenty of people who are interested in how the stadium is developing, and I know plenty of people who go down there regularly to see the progress.

I haven't been down there since April, but I do look forward to seeing the weekly videos, either by the club or others who do weekly drone videos.

Derek Knox
133 Posted 28/12/2022 at 15:39:51
Rob, I go down there fairly regularly both with my involvement on The Danny and with TW Get Togethers.

I agree with the Stadium progress reports and videos having little bearing on results etc, but it is a slight worry that (God Forbid) we were to get relegated.

On current form, a strong possibility, but my biggest worry of all, is the limited access to the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

You know as well, or better than I do, what Goodison Park is like on matchdays, getting to and from the ground. That is with many roads leading to and from the ground.

We are talking about another 10,000 at least, trying to get in and out of the new stadium with one access road as it stands. I can't see any way round it, to be honest, and hope they have considered this for matchdays.

Even with some sort of Matchday Ferry Service that would alleviate it slightly, but the area still would struggle to accommodate the increased capacity.

Danny O’Neill
134 Posted 28/12/2022 at 15:47:12
I might get accused of commenting for the sake of it by some, but the stadium is the biggest thing happening to this club strategically.

Why wouldn't the club be promoting it regularly?

Nick White
135 Posted 28/12/2022 at 18:09:17
Thanks, Cristobal, for the reply to my comment.

I agree that we have no goals in this team, we are weaker without Richarlison and haven't replaced him, and we only just survived last season!

Even in 1997-98, when we stayed up on the last day, we had goals that season from Mick Madar (blast from the past, him). Albeit it was a similar story on the last day with an unexpected scorer in Farrelly (just like it was with Barry Horne against Wimbledon)!

Without a big rethink on tactics or a Kevin Campbell type signing who hits the ground running, we will find it hard. I refuse to accept we are down, though, with so many games remaining.

On the relegation point — that would be a complete disaster for us. Not only financially but without a trophy in so long, the only thing we really have at the moment is our long tenure in the top flight. It would be a complete killer for us and I couldn't see us returning again swiftly.

James Johnson
136 Posted 28/12/2022 at 21:27:26
I have watched the game over and over and cannot understand why Diego Costa was 2 yards offside and standing in front of Pickford before, during and after the first Wolves goal!!!

I haven't noticed any comment on this thread. Perhaps I missed something. Can anyone enlighten me, please ??

Just an aside but the fouls were too many to count from Wolves until the god-awful referee (Pawson) gave them their first yellow card.

Gerry Killen
138 Posted 28/12/2022 at 00:05:25
Derek @133,

Is there going to be a multi-story car park in the near vicinity of the ground?

Will there be an underground rail linked to the main loop rail system which will take fans away from the stadium and take traffic off the roads?

Just dreaming...

Brian Wilkinson
139 Posted 29/12/2022 at 10:09:07
The only thing I could find, Derek, was there is going to be a car park, some off-road parking, even a mention of bus stops being added to the route from the City, along Regnt Road, and towards Sandhills.

From what I can digest from what I read, it looks like shuttle buses both to Sandhills and the town centre; there was no mention of a ferry terminal or added rail link.

I agree that the road from the ground back to the town centre is a little on the narrow side, especially as you cross over the bridge.

We keep getting stadium updates from the club, but it would be nice if they outlined the plans for supporters not travelling by car.

At the moment at Goodison, they close the roads all around for a certain amount of time, after the match, to allow fans to leave Goodison on foot.

Unless they have a long line of buses to put the fans on to get them away from the stadium, I just do not know how they are going to disperse close to 53,000 supporters, on a singular road into town.

Minik Hansen
140 Posted 29/12/2022 at 18:02:30
I just read all the comments, and what struck me is the very few posts that give me the hope back for Everton to be able to fight back in the next coming rounds. Anyways, I guess that's what I was looking for in these crazy times...

For the striker(s) we need to bring in, the ones we've been linked with, I say I'm more excited about Viktor Gyökeres than Brereton Diaz, as the former seems to have some pace and seems to have belief in running his socks off and attack the opposition resulting in a goal. He's got a shot in him.

Who knows, the club might pull a rabbit out the hat and bring in an attacker (maybe a different player than teh players mentioned above) and a creative midfielder. I agree that that's what the squad needs at the very least to go somewhere this season.

Dale Self
141 Posted 29/12/2022 at 18:20:42
Hey wait a minute, Minik, didn't you win that match you attended?

Get back to the stadium for another match or two and save the season, man!

Minik Hansen
142 Posted 29/12/2022 at 18:45:28
Dale, I wish we did.. 0-0 against the other lot. I guess we could use a point, but surely there must be someone to attend the match, so we can win??
Steve Brown
143 Posted 30/12/2022 at 03:36:12
Surely Lampard has to change the tactics and make us hard to beat for the next game. The line-up also needs to change, as several players have had more than enough chances and failed.

I would also try to put more energy in defence and midfield:

Pickford
Patterson Holgate Coady Godfrey Mykolenko
Price, Gana, Davies
Iwobi
Maupay

Mark Ryan
144 Posted 30/12/2022 at 09:33:02
Holgate, Maupay and Davies would never get in an Everton team again if I was manager... but I take your point.

Who else is there? Sad days indeed...

Minik Hansen
145 Posted 30/12/2022 at 11:41:35
Where's Garner?

If Keane had more pace, I'd pick him over Holgate. If it's five defenders at the back, I'd bring Godfrey right in the center or else he'll get caught up in a bad position.

I see Calvert-Lewin will be in the squad; if he's on the bench, I'd start Cannon either as a lone striker or with Maupay.


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