Newcastle links with Gordon strengthen

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Updated Anthony Gordon's proposed move to Newcastle United appears to have grown more likely even though a report that the 21-year-old has officially asked to leave Everton has been played down.

What started as a superficially tenuous claim by MailOnline's Simon Jones last Friday, that Newcastle United were considering making a bid for Gordon, has since gained legs and was boosted by another Mail reporter, Craig Hope and transfer  oracle Fabrizio Romano who tweeted that Newcastle had opened talks with Everton.

That suggestion was lent further credence by The Telegraph who said that Newcastle were now confident of being able to get a deal over the line even though the two clubs are "apart in their valuations of the player". 

A claim by Twitter source El Bobble that Gordon has officially asked to leave Everton has been played down, however, with Sky Sports Northwest correspondent Alan Myers reporting that the winger is due back at Finch Farm tomorrow after missing two days of training and that he has not submitted a transfer request.

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It is generally believed, however, that Gordon has welcomed the opportunity to speak with interested parties about a move this month and, according to Paul Joyce of The Times, the player has held preliminary talks with Newcastle.

Tottenham were reportedly more interested in Gordon in the previous transfer window while Chelsea were the only ones who followed up with a concrete bid believed to have been as high as £42m.

Everton rejected that offer but with the 21-year-old struggling for form and the club badly in need of funds to bring fresh players in themselves before the deadline, they could be open to lower bids, which could bring Newcastle into the equation again.

 

Original report: Daily Mail


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Paul Hewitt
1 Posted 20/01/2023 at 07:11:18
£30 million and Chris Woods. You have a deal.
Callum Jones
2 Posted 20/01/2023 at 07:17:51
I will drive him there myself. Believed his own hype after a decent 6 months and thinks he's above the club. It's a shame, I really liked him last season but this pre-season showed his true colours.

Demanding £100k and pushing for a move after a below-average output for a attacking player.

Colin Glassar
3 Posted 20/01/2023 at 07:38:49
Such a shame if the rumours (bad attitude) are true. Too much money, too early thrown at these kids. He should still be polishing the senior players boots and serving them tea. Oh, I suppose that would be in violation of their human rights these days.
Matt Henderson
4 Posted 20/01/2023 at 08:01:09
If that 42m bid in the summer is true I worry about our DoF. Over half that 42m bid would have factored in what he might be one day and not what he is and in our financial situation we can’t afford to risk that much on what someone might become. We could have bought 3 players that were all better than AG for 42m. Knowing when to sell is just as important as who you buy.
Paul Hewitt
5 Posted 20/01/2023 at 08:14:42
Colin@3. I agree totally, to much to soon.
Tony Abrahams
6 Posted 20/01/2023 at 08:29:28
Who says Anthony Gordon, has got a bad attitude, where have these rumours come from?

He went past two players like they were not there on Saturday, then put in a decent ball, that Tarakowski, might have scored from, so the kid has definitely loads of ability, but if he’s got a bad attitude (I’d say he probably thinks he his better than he his) then this is very worrying, because he will never hit the heights he his capable off if this is true.

I spoke to a kid who I saw on the Yerry Mina video floating around (true this) and I wound him up telling him that he would be getting a knock, and I’d heard the club were going to be taking season tickets, off anyone found to be involved in this anti-social behavior.

Mina was alright he said, I know kid, but what about Anthony Gordon I said, he looked absolutely terrified. Gobshite him Toe, he said, he thought he was clever and was just laughing at a few lads, then drove away. He didn’t realize the street was blocked, he’s not a scouser him.

Derek Knox
7 Posted 20/01/2023 at 08:34:39
Colin @ 3, don't know about the bad attitude bit, but quite believable, nail, spot on head, with the money aspect mate, where else unless a genius can lads of his age earn megabucks per week ? Probably got an O level in Domestic Science, Gardening and Comic Books.

And they want more !

Darren Hind
8 Posted 20/01/2023 at 08:43:24
"Too much too soon" – Earning wise, je's in the bottom 5% earning in the Premier League.

"Demanded £100k a week" – I'd like to see that quote.

"Rumours of a bad attitude" – Where? Posters on ToffeeWeb?

Five posts and not a good word said about our most promising youngster for years. There'll be plenty more…

If anyone makes a concrete offer – anybody at all!!! – Gordon should get out of this club as fast as he possibly can.

He's 21 and, like every other player we have, he has struggled through the first half of the season.

"He's absolutely shite. We should just sell him for £30-40 million Plus of course, a striker thrown in."

Defies belief!

Danny O’Neill
9 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:02:07
Mina took a gamble stepping out of his car Tony, especially to confront a baying mob. But, in my opinion, he earned a lot of respect by doing that. I said elsewhere, I wouldn't mess with the big lad. But he handled it well and you can see that from the footage and the supporters' reaction.

I'm torn on Anthony Gordon. I understand from those who watched him develop as a youngster, there were questions over his attitude. I hope that isn't creeping in again.

I can only comment on what I've seen watching him on the pitch. He was great towards the end of last season and has shown glimpses this season. He's a young player with talent who has had a dip in form. Which is natural for developing young players. Especially when so much is expected on young shoulders in the shit show that is Everton right now. Always over to the supporters regardless of the shit served up and the fervour coming from the terraces. He doesn't hide on the pitch. During and after.

That's my football head on. My concern is that his head had been turned, and as some may suggest, he thinks he is better than he is before he's developed and matured into the player he can potentially become.

This is not a like-for-like analogy, as no two players are the same. But I hope he becomes more of a Leon Osman rather than a Francis Jeffers, Jack Rodwell or Ross Barkley. There are examples from other clubs who jumped too early. Scott Parker springs to mind; gave up regular football to warm the bench at Chelsea.

But then we need to be mindful of Rooney's recent revelations. It's not always the player. If the club are trying to sell him, what do we expect? If my company was trying to get rid of me, I'd be looking at other options and trying to get the best deal.

Robert Tressell
10 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:10:00
Gordon is a modern versatile player who can play across wide and attacking positions in midfield - using his quick passing and movement to good effect.

He's a lot less effective in a plodding, turgid, deep lying ultra cautious, confidence shot set up - which has lost all sense of how it is trying to score a goal.

I expect he could look very good in a well functioning team with good movement, which presses high and attacks at pace and in numbers.

Steve Brown
11 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:17:24
I think the rumours of bad attitude, wanting 100K a week started on ToffeeWeb!

Then, I reflect on the points made:

believed own hype... senior players

below average play... senior players

thinks he is better than he is...senior players

'bad attitude'... senior players

wanting 100k a week. senior players

Yep, all relevant when I think about our SENIOR PLAYERS over the last 6 years. A shower of shite to a man, pea-hearts, zero standards, cowardly.

Why particularly target our younger players for stick?

Ray Roche
12 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:30:10
Players, just about all players, put their trust in agents. If ‘Gordon has demanded 100k a week’ it’ll be his slithering agent who’s demanding it.
The way Gordon was abused, allegedly, after the match if I was him I’d get away from Goodison as fast as I could to a club where talent would be appreciated.
John Charles
13 Posted 20/01/2023 at 09:58:49
Snap their hands off. 30m for a poor player. It is annoying we didn’t take more when it was offered (if it was offered). But happy days
Tony Abrahams
14 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:48:12
One opinion I have got on Gordon, is that I think he would be so much better playing inside. The wide roll demands a lot of discipline, and can sometimes overwhelm an attacking player, when his team generally play on the back foot, so I’d like to see Anthony playing inside, because I think it would really suit him.
Dennis Stevens
15 Posted 20/01/2023 at 10:59:26
Tony, I think that may be true of most of the players we throw out wide. Maybe they'd fare better as the sort of dual no. 10 role that would arise in the old Xmas Tree formation - a lot of freedom for them, but a lot of responsibility. Also a proper 3 man midfield behind them to protect the back four. I do think it's a formation that might make the most of our poor squad. Not that we'll ever find out either way, of course.
Jim Bennings
16 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:00:35
I don't think we can really blame too much on this loss of form on Gordon.

At the end of the day his main asset is work rate and pace, last season he scored 4 goals, not a great return and this season he has 3.

He's not come off the back of a 16 goal Andrei Kanchelskis season so I don't know where those 60 million valuations came from.

The media are the ones to blame for hyping up a player that isn't actually that good at least not yet in his career anyway.

Ajay Gopal
17 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:08:00
I'm now reading on Sky Sports that Man Utd are blocking the loan move for Elanga due to the 'climate at Goodison Park'.

The negative narrative is building up really quickly, and we need a minor miracle on Saturday to turn things around. Bad times for Evertonians!

Tony Abrahams
18 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:17:13
Possibly the biggest and historic (unreal) own-goal, in the history of Everton Football Club was scored last week, Ajay, but us supporters can change this, I'm sure.

I'm trying to be positive I know but, if our own players are really up for the fight, then together we can change everything. It's “us against the world” will hopefully unite us, and do us a lot more good than a kid who can't get near Man Utd's first team!

Dale Rose
19 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:26:52
I heard that AJ #17. Absolutely fucking awful if it's true. It is doing the rounds on the Web.
Tony Hill
20 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:29:42
Spot on Tony @18.
Danny O’Neill
21 Posted 20/01/2023 at 11:56:04
I called it a while back that I could see Anthony Gordon developing into what we now call a number 10.

Good reference to Kanchelskis Jim. I think Kanchelskis was about 26 when he came to Everton. An established player in Sir Alex Ferguson's all conquering Manchester United team with about 8 trophy medals to his name and a lot of experience of playing in a winning team.

I'm not sure a 21 year old who came through at Finch Farm and was flung into a struggling team facing relegation with a weight of expectation on his shoulders is a straight forward or fair comparison with Kanchelskis.

But I agree with you and get your point. He's being hyped up before he's really even started. What was it the very wise Joe Royle once said about a young Duncan Ferguson being in danger of becoming the legend before he became the player?

Wise words that proved true in my opinion. Another player that never lived up to the hype despite his obvious passion for Everton. Although, and maybe just me, he always struck me as a reluctant footballer.

Kim Vivian
22 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:06:09
Like Liverpool, Robert (@10). I could see him fitting well into that team if he was not who he is - if you get what I mean.
Matt Henderson
23 Posted 20/01/2023 at 12:34:40
Jim at 16 - correct, there is no loss of form, he’s not far off what he was producing last year, possibly his work rate has dropped. The only thing that has changed is everyone’s expectations of him versus last year and he is not meeting those expectations because they are unrealistic.

Given our financial situation he should most definitely have been sold in the summer if the offer was real, in his career so far his productivity is no where near worth the money they were offering and that we need

Garry Martin
24 Posted 20/01/2023 at 13:27:11
Gordon is another Rodwell/Jeffers etc big stars, 'in their own right', before they become consistent and put regular shifts into games.
Fran Mitchell
25 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:13:35
Gordon was ok last season, a bright spot in a miserable season, not much end product but was a young lad who came in and gave his all.

He was given the no 10 in a move by the club to say 'he's our future' 'he's our star boy'.

The Chelsea interest came about - not from Tuchel but the new American owner - and the narrative changed.

Now he was a '60m player', no longer a young local lad in his development years.

he was then hung out to dry by playing him as a false-9 because we didn't sign a striker, and he struggled, just as everyone struggled.

He then became the focal point of fan anger - 'we could have got 60m' 'its gone to his 'ead' 'he's believing his own hype' etc etc

all the while, his actual performance is not far from where it was. he has scored some goals, just like last season - but no, he's not on par with Saka, few are. he's inconsistent, and very much in the 'learning period'. But at this stage with a club in total dissaray.

A massive lack of moral, a squad with no leadership, no role models, a manager who has no experience in working with or developing young players (most managers begin their careers at development squad coaching, Lampard went straight to first team football).

So now we should get rid and take the money? Cause as shown with the Richarlison money, our club is totally reliability going to reinvest that money well.

If Gordon does leave, which he probably is desperate to to try and get out of the rut that is this club and develop his career, I guess he'll have a good career ahead of him.

And soon enough, we can all start singing Price's name, or Mill's, or Warrington's or whoever and then in 12 months we can all start calling them shithouses too.

Dave Lynch
26 Posted 20/01/2023 at 14:19:32
Gordon is best imo described in owl arse terms as a "headless chicken".

Lots of energy and running around with little or no end product. He may improve with the right coaching but presently he offers little in the way of creativity, composure and goal scoring threat.

Alan Hines
28 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:13:55
I’d play him in a front two with DCL. The boy looks like a world beater when he plays for England U21s. Lampard has him using all his pace and energy tracking back. He’s not a natural midfielder. If he left for Newcastle he would be back to his old self, clear about his role and confident in the service from his teammates. He got a lot of stick for the Ward-Prowse foul, but the lad ran the length of the pitch to make that tackle. Evertonians need to get behind our young talent and stop backbiting. The players need a lift so let’s get behind them!
John Raftery
29 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:33:03
If we had a stronger squad Gordon would have played nowhere near the amount of matches he has. He would have been taken out of the firing line to develop his all-round game with a focus on clinical finishing such as he displayed in successive fixtures at Brentford and Leeds in August.

Subsequently his performances have deteriorated. Clearly he has potential, he has some attributes notably pace and skill which suggest he could still be a success in the Premier League, but there is much work to be done on the training ground to improve consistency and application.

At present if a substantial offer came in for him I would take it because we need players who can deliver now, not at some uncertain stage in the future.

Josh Jansen
30 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:38:04
This would be addition by subtraction. Free up the money from one player to grab 2 or 3 good ones. Makes sense. This team needs some new faces and attitudes, a spark. Make the move! I doubt based on my limited knowledge of the sport that this one player is going to be a world beater. We need to think of survival before we start thinking of thriving again.

Make the move for goodness sake!

Kieran Kinsella
31 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:41:21
John

I agree on your last point. That being said if a substantial offer came in for any of our players I'd sell them.

Nick Page
32 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:43:36
Yes Josh it would but this is Everton who have wasted more money in the transfer market than anyone. Would you trust them to reinvest properly? Why give the money to Franks? Do they have a long list of targets? If so, why? How do they fit into the team? What formation is the team playing? Are they young players with resale value? Are they available with low wages? I don’t think the club can realistically tick many or any of these boxes, so selling our best players is pointless as we just end up worse, as evidenced by our league position.
Dale Self
33 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:49:27
I believe Gordon has some serious upside but we are in a position such that if we can deal someone and get a decent replacement we need to do so. We don't have enough in our setup to accommodate or cover his weaknesses which are mostly down to age. He could be trained out of many of his present shortcomings but right now we need too much from him and it shows regularly. At least get into talks to appease the kid and let him know we are trying to deal and perhaps he will rediscover form right when we fucking need it and when he can get his reward.
Mark Ryan
34 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:51:06
Said it before. Forget the board and what they have done. Our fans have resorted to chasing our own players and screaming at them outside our own ground. It's been all over social media, Talk Sport etc. Why would any player these days opt for us.
What other club has mental screaming knobheads chasing and barking at their own players as they drive home.
I wouldn't blame him if does one. He's an Evertonian too.
I would like him to stay and develop and for the fans to calm the fuck down when it comes to our own
James Newcombe
35 Posted 20/01/2023 at 16:52:52
The way we turn against the academy-produced players is one of the worst aspects of the club (and that's saying something!).

I remember last season where he was one of the few squad members who would approach the crowd following yet another defeat. He also started this season in decent form.

If the figures being thrown around are to be believed, then at this point in time we will probably have to cash in... But I wouldn't be surprised to see him kick on and play for England in the future!

Peter Carpenter
36 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:02:04
Completely agree, Mark, James and others. We seem to reserve a special kind of nastiness for our home grown players the minute they fail to live up to expectations. He is still a developing player - why would anyone want to get rid of him?
I wouldn't blame him if he drove out of Goodison next week, heading for St James' Park, with the middle finger waving out of the window.
Stu Darlington
37 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:14:00
Robert@10 and John@29.
Both posts bang on.
My query would be have the coaching staff at Finch Farm developed a training programme for him to work on to improve his game and are they working with him one to one to achieve this?
The lad has great potential but needs help in bringing this out in matches.
Only thing I can say about his attitude is I saw him having an altercation with one of his teammates earlier in the season.Didn’t look good.
Tony Abrahams
38 Posted 20/01/2023 at 17:38:39
I’m beginning to think this might have legs, especially if we bring in this Dutch player from Spain, on loan.

Gary Johnson
39 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:05:21
What a mess. Whether it’s his attitude, shite contract offers from us, or whatever. We’ve taken one of Englands most promising under-21s and reduced him to someone most of us would be happy to get £25-30m for.

Don’t think there’s much going back from being verbally abused whilst trapped in a Walton side street. If that kind of moneys there, take it. For his sake as well as ours.

Raymond Fox
40 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:26:50
There's physical and the mental side to any sport, if your not strong in both you will struggle.
Gordon is still a young guy learning as he plays, also it seems like most of the last 12 months he and the team have been under more than normal pressure to get results.
He will probably play better if we were midtable and he could relax more.

What I'm trying to say is he needs time to develop into a better all round player.

Keith Meakin
41 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:44:35
Gone in a Flash
Russelll Smith
42 Posted 20/01/2023 at 18:53:15
Tomorrow will probably shed more light on this rumour. If he is not in the match day squad then he will be a barcode by the middle of next week. Probably just before the deadline so we won’t be able to spend any of the monies on a replacement.
Danny O’Neill
44 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:16:58
Very well put John Raftery @29.
Robert Tressell
45 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:32:53
Raymond # 40,

I totally agree and that's why well run clubs use the loan system. Someone like Mason Mount got a season at Vitesse Arnhem, then at Derby. He had a chance develop before the Premier League.

Gordon, a similar player, has had a disrupted half-season at Preston before being chucked into a really awful side – now onto the 3rd / 4th manager since he made his debut.

Paul Tran
46 Posted 20/01/2023 at 19:56:42
I can't comment on Gordon's 'attitude'. What I see on the pitch tells me different.

A promising young player, seen as some kind of hero/saviour when he's been in the first team for 5 minutes. Playing in a slow, disorganised team where barely a soul knows where the goal is and there's more movement in the Gormley statues on Crosby Beach. Fans accosting him when they're apparently protesting against the board. A board which is clueless, beyond spending money badly.

He'd be some player in a fast, pressing team with good movement and strikers. I'm sure that's what Lampard wants, but I'm less sure he'll be creating that here.

If I was Gordon, I'd be thinking I could do better elsewhere.

Tony Hill
47 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:12:49
Paul @46, I suspect he's been thinking that for some time. Is he good enough to be at the top? I doubt it - he looks to me like a poor man's Theo Walcott - but I will be wishing him well should he go.
Colin Glassar
48 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:14:39
I don’t know if he’s good or bad in training. If he’s a stroppy little sod or a model pro. What I do know is even scummy shithouse Newcastle fans are laughing at us now that they are rolling in blood money.

It makes me sick to think of us being a laughing thanks to that fat fuck and his money laundering, tax dodging, sugar daddy!!! I hate the pair of them.

I do think there’s a real player in Anthony but he’s probably better off far away from the cesspool these two gobshites have created.

Tony Everan
49 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:16:21
John R 29 , very good and balanced post and agree with all of it. One move on from it is trusting our recruitment to reinvest the 25m wisely. The jury is still out with Thelwell as it could be claimed that Onana was a good signing and he came within an inch of pulling off a masterstroke with Kudus. Garner we just don’t know, but I think he will come good for us. The CBs are good but with the two of them we play too deep, I’m not convinced they are a complimentary partnership.

Then most of the Richarlison funds on McNeill, Maupay for a combined £34 million who have added next to nothing, to the damning extent of being unused substitutes on Saturday, even when being behind to the bottom club.

Thelwell seems invested and trying his best for us so I’m still just about confident he will get more right than not. Especially if he is left to do his job without any unwanted interference from some amateurs at the club.

Dale Self
50 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:33:29
Fair take Tony, I'm still with that guy (Thelwell).
Mal van Schaick
51 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:37:16
Another Barkley. Thinks he’s better than he is. Cash in.
Tony Hill
52 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:45:48
Tony @49, Onana is going to be formidable. Garner will be a serious asset.

We have not played so far to the strengths of Maupay and McNeil and their confidence is currently shot.

We must, really must, hold our nerve.

Rob Halligan
53 Posted 20/01/2023 at 20:59:23
The red echo are reporting that Michael keane could be on the move to Italy, swopping one relegation for another. No mention of any fee, or whether it’s a loan or permanent…………………….

Could Mchael Keane be on his way to Italy? He could be if reports in Italy are accurate.

According to TuttoSalernitana (as per Football Italia), Serie A side Salternitana are in talks with Keane's agent and are looking to push through a deal.

The 30-year-old as barely figured for the Blues this season, after losing his place in the team to summer signings James Tarkwoski and Conor Coady.

It sounds like Keane could need some convincing on the move however. Should he make the move to Italy, he would be swapping one relegation battle for another, with Salernitana currently sitting 16th in Serie A, albeit they are nine points clear of 18th-placed Verona.

The report says that the Italian outfit will hold further talks with Keane's agent on Monday, as they try to convince him to make the move overseas.

Kieran Kinsella
54 Posted 20/01/2023 at 21:23:21
Rob

He can join the support group of Southgate's jilted center backs along with Tomori and Smalling

Andrew James
55 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:03:40
I've never been very sure where Gordon should play. He doesn't have electric pace but his first touch is good and he can play in tight places. But I don't think he is a winger or a Number 10.

The coaches need to get hold of him and deploy him in a position that suits him. It might be on the left side so he can cut in or it might be centre midfield in a more advanced position.

I don't see the same potential in him as I did in Davies or Barkley at the same age or younger but then look what happened to them. Leon Osman is the perfect example of bearing with a youth player can pay dividends.

I would like it if we kept him on the books and to see him flourish as I admired how he behaved during lockdown where he went away to a house with a mate who was a personal trainer and worked on himself so that Ancelotti saw the progression and played him.

Derek Thomas
56 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:17:17
If it's a price we can live with, which probably covers a multitude of sins nowadays, sell with a sell on clause. But invest it wisely.
Brian Williams
57 Posted 20/01/2023 at 22:25:06
I've never been very sure where Gordon should play. He doesn't have electric pace..........

Err.... Gordon has been clocked as the fastest player in the Premier League this season.

Alex Parr
58 Posted 20/01/2023 at 23:45:04
I've calmed down since the weekend but my views remain the same.
The Anthony Gordon we are seeing week-in week-out is not the same Anthony Gordon that he himself sees. Worlds apart.
To me, hes an attacking player with very limited defensive skills (see the foul on Ward-Prowse, I don't care if he ran 80 yards or whatever to make the challenge, it was utter stupidity to make that challenge and is an example of a complete lack of footballing intelligence).
In respect of his attacking skills as such, he can beat a man using his acceleration and does have a knack to put a ball past a man and then burst into any space that he creates, theres no doubt of that. But thats the problem - he doesnt understand when he has created any space or when he is just kicking it past the first guy and straight into the second, or just a blind alley. I could do that to a lesser degree in my teens as I was rapid off the mark but my lack of a proper football brain rendered all that useless. I wouldnt trust 'me' on a pitch.
Gordon has been found out now, teams don't allow him the space and its rare he can create it for himself, he is reliant on others to offer enough threat off the ball to allow him some freedom from attention. The team itself has next to no movement so no-one can be trusted to create any space for Gordon. So he flounders time and time again. His dribbling skills are more of a hit-and-run than Messi-esque close-control so preventing space to run into massively negates his attacking threat.
He is an exceptionally greedy player when it comes to popping off random shots and his early season form for this seems to have gone the other way where he is now less confident taking a long blast - that could be down to lack of confidence, toxic environment, who knows. I always felt that his shots were generally a hit and hope endeavour anyway so no great loss but its indicative of his current mindset or orders.
Attitude, I don't know, I made assumptins as did others about him thinking hes better thanhe is - I stick by these albeit I have no real evidence. But if he or anyone connected to him is asking for £100k with a straight face, theres the evidence. My own opinion is that the hype has gone to his head and he has not been able to live up to it and is now reaping the rewards of the flipside of this. I don't think he is coping with this switch of attitude from the fans very well.
I do feel the bright young starlet, Anthony Gordon of EFC, is an overhyped myth created by followers of the Club in desparate times, craving for a saviour and grasping at a youngster showing occasional flurries of skill as a light at the end of a shitty tunnel. In my view, this myth is now disintegrating at rapid place in a very trying environment. I struggle to feel sorry for him though in the same way as I do for Mykolenko, Patterson, Onana, etc.
One final thought, this Mudkip lad who has signed for Chelsea, in my view a similar player at a slightly younger age. More often uses bursts of pace to beat a man (bit like Andrei used to), not a close-control dribbler as such but Mudkip is more skillful than Gordon in my opinion. Another young lad hyped up with a lot to prove and with rumours of a bit of a sassy attitude. From what I've seen of both, its Mudkip whos got a far better chance of a long term future at the top level, only time will tell if I am right...
I'd still like to see Gordon hold aloft trophies at Goodison or BMD, I'd be so happily proven wrong if he breaks appearance or goalscoring or assist records, or if he ever justifiably moved on to Real or Barca for a new world or even Club record. However, I KNOW this wont happen as he is simply not that good. We need to realise that.
Colin Glassar
59 Posted 21/01/2023 at 00:47:34
Anthony “liked” a tweet from a toon fan linking him with a move to Newcastle. Let the lad go if he wants to. £40m would be about right.
Kieran Kinsella
60 Posted 21/01/2023 at 00:58:44
Colin

What a traitorous money grabbing turncoat toe rag!!! Just kidding. I don’t know how good he may one day become but I wouldn’t be surprised if we sell him and keep the money given our dire finances. In which case it will happen at midnight deadline day and go into the piggy bank with the Arteta money

Phil Wood
61 Posted 21/01/2023 at 03:37:01
Cannot believe the bull on here about Anthony Gordon.
If he wasn't a home grown Evertonian then he wouldn't be taking this stick.
The Team are playing crap and he is part of an underperforming Team. Probably feeling more pressure than players from outside the City.
So he laughed at some kids who were giving him stick. He was probably crapping himself and laughing out of bravado.
Jesus, the hatred he is getting on here I couldn't blame him for the sin of getting out of this madhouse Club.
I hope he proves people wrong and can make a go of it for us.
Kieran Kinsella
62 Posted 21/01/2023 at 03:41:23
Interesting reading Twitter remarks on this from NUFC fans. The last week I’ve noticed NUFC fans particularly have been slagging off Evertonians after the headlock etc. Personally, I’ve never had good relations with Geordies based on violent incidents in my formative years involving gangs of Geordies descending on Manchester (I lived close to Maine road) and many a Newcie Brown bottle was thrown in our direction. But it seems NUFC fans particularly hate Everton. But Twitter right now seems split 50/50 between Geordies who say Gordon is a loud mouth, wannabee tough guy and shite footballer and the other half who think he’s brilliant and are ecstatic about signing him.
Colin Glassar
63 Posted 21/01/2023 at 11:08:16
Gordon’s never been the same since dying his hair.
Andrew James
64 Posted 21/01/2023 at 11:40:20
Brian

Is that with or without ball?

I am genuinely surprised he's the quickest in the league and that would make me wonder what needs to happen to make him more effective.

Steve Shave
65 Posted 21/01/2023 at 11:50:28
Darren (8) completely agree with your point. We have no evidence at all that he has a bad attitude or thinks he's better than he is. More negative, made up bullshit by people who have nothing better to do than project their own frustrations on these depressing pages.

What do we know? Positively, he was one of a small handful of players (and alot of loud, passionate fans) who kept us up last year, together with Richie and Pickers. He tracks back, he has bags of talent (one of a few academy success stories over the years) and he is one of us.

Negatively, he is still young and developing, he needs to work on his end product, his form has dipped (in accordance I believe with the increase in speculation and rumours about other clubs and alot of "fan" negativity since towards him). He has been dropped, his own "fans" chased him out of the car park last week calling him a "shithouse".

If I were his advisor or parent I would be telling him to get the fuck out of this toxic club and go thrive elsewhere in an environment and club that supports young player development. We don't do that here, we put them on a pedestal to meet our outdated and lofty expectations, only to knock them down the second they disappoint us.

We are repeatedly praised for our passion (and rightly so) but if some fans can't see how the above mentioned behaviours and reactions to one of our own isn't part of the great Everton conundrum then I don't know what else to say.

Peter Carpenter
66 Posted 21/01/2023 at 11:56:19
Well said, Steve.
Dave Abrahams
67 Posted 21/01/2023 at 12:17:25
At the moment Anthony has the potential to be a better than average player but in the predicament Everton are in I’d be happy if we sold him to Newcastle, preferably in a swap deal with some money thrown in from them, we need proven players now, not the ones with possible potential, we are really that desperate.
Bill Gall
68 Posted 21/01/2023 at 12:34:07
You don't sell your best players just because they are having a bad run of form, at 21 this youngster has the rest of his career to improve, and we have been critical of the club before over selling our promising youngsters. Other clubs coming in for him are aware of the talent he has that is why they want him.
It is not the players fault that the club is in such a turmoil, it is in bad management decisions over the years let's not continue the mistakes that have previously gone on we have other players we can sell.
Barry Rathbone
69 Posted 21/01/2023 at 12:58:19
Mystifies me why big money clubs are reportedly interested in him. I just don´t get it.
Keith Harrison
70 Posted 22/01/2023 at 08:25:23
Alex Parr (58). Nail. Head.
Spot on, sell for anything over £35 mill and get a striker in.
Mark Tanton
71 Posted 22/01/2023 at 08:30:57
I don't usually say stuff like this about players but Gordon is seriously useless. Get rid. We should have bitten off Chelsea's hand in the summer.
Michael Lynch
72 Posted 24/01/2023 at 15:49:11
Can't see this happening now that we've missed out on Danjuma.

Gordon will have to stay til the end of the season.

James Marshall
73 Posted 24/01/2023 at 15:54:56
Wasn't there talk of us taking Matt Fraser? This lines up a swap deal quite conveniently.

Oh and Gordon is a one trick pony wearing blinkers.

Stuart Sharp
74 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:15:25
Cannot understand those posting that Gordon is useless etc. Some fans have short memories. Yes, he's been frustrating this season (which of our players haven't?), but it's still premature to write him off. He shows great potential and, like others, seems to have been poorly coached recently. There's a reason other clubs are interested. I agree that silly money would have to be accepted, but personally I am saddened when we lose young potential like this. Symptomatic of the bigger picture.
A Dwyer
75 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:16:13
Be much easier to jump on the Gordon band wagon if the lad actually got a game and stunk the place out like the rest of the team, but the fact is he isn't in the team.
I'm not his biggest fan but we have always done the same as fans, jumped all over every kid who wasn't Rooney.
We buy player after player who are absolutely shite, yet we choose to pick on the home grown lads [Gordon and Davies], or the cheap buys [DLC, Holgate].
Gordon is young and obviously talented, why wouldn't we want to keep him !
But every player has a price and if that price is met then move him on, if not he needs to be in our starting 11 under a new manager and supported.
Ray Robinson
76 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:18:22
There’s not much point in getting rid of Gordon if there’s no manager in place to use some of the money to buy replacements. Manager has to come first - and quickly!
Dale Self
77 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:21:13
Gramps has it right. It is not what we want to do it’s just our best move.
A Dwyer
78 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:24:43
Phil @61 👍
Someone talking sense at last.
Martin Reppion
79 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:29:59
Now twitter is saying Danjuma is on his way to Spurs.
WTF?
Will somebody at this club just do SOMETHING?
ANYTHING!
Phil Wood
80 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:33:01
Ditto A Dwyer 75
Ed Prytherch
81 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:42:17
Anthony will be making a smart move going to Newcastle to be coached by Eddie Howe rather than staying with and having no idea what will be expected of him under a new manager when we finally get one.
Henrik Lyngsie
82 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:53:57
Can’t believe that people here are critisizing Gordon in this way and are happy to let him go. He is on his second full PL season 21 years of age. He was excellent last year and opponents feared him. This season he has been poor, but he has played as a number 9 many matches. He is obviously a big talent that we should keep.

I find Gordon much more brave than Gray and Iwobi and who of those three is 21 and who is mid-20??

If we are turning the ship I will much rather keep Gordon than types like Gray and Iwobi.

Justin Doone
83 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:54:43
He's the most promising player to come through our ranks since Rooney, simply because of his blistering pace.
Simplify his game, use his pace positively and he'll cause defenders problems.
Aim high, £100M !

The problem being we are desperate and he'll probably go for £40M to pay off Frank and Co.

Maybe we get Longstaff in return, doh!


Sean Roe
84 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:55:02
Well if Howe can improve Almiron in a short space of time then it may prove beneficial for Gordon to go.

Concentrating on Everton though, who's to say our new manager, whoever it may be, isn't going to come in and get 20 goals out of Maupay between now and the end of the season?

Trevor Peers
85 Posted 24/01/2023 at 17:05:33
Gordon downed tools early in the season because he wanted £100k a week and didn't get it. He's got no chance now.
No doubt Newcastle will cough up his wages, but as for him being a top player we're none the wiser. Only time will tell, remember Barkley was supposed to be a world beater and look how that turned out.
He does possess a good turn of speed but can't cross the ball or shoot for toffee.
Phil Wood
86 Posted 24/01/2023 at 17:11:56
Don't agree with you Trevor.
Excellent potential but too much pressure on him here.
Richarlison tought him how to dive which set him back with Referees.
I wish him the best of luck in the future wherever he is and I refuse to align him with Barkley.
Mark Ryan
87 Posted 24/01/2023 at 17:13:39
You can't chase a player down outside his home ground and scream through his car window " you're not fit to wear the shirt" and then expect him to want to stay.
I expect the day after that appalling incident he said to his agent " get me the fuck out of there"
The least surprising news I've heard for weeks.
Will we miss him. Probably not. Would he or could he have improved at Everton. Probably not.
Will he develop better under Eddie Howe, 100%
Stu Darlington
88 Posted 24/01/2023 at 17:38:45
Good shout Mark.
The lads got potential but is no means the finished article.
The abuse he has got on here is disgraceful.
Barry Hesketh
89 Posted 24/01/2023 at 17:46:26
Alongside Richarlison last season, Gordon, with his rawness, was the catalyst that helped to get us over the line. The fact we've lost one of them already and may lose another is a great pity,

Anthony had a good start to the season, but hasn't really produced in the last few months, then again nobody else has either. I don't believe that a few oddballs shouting stuff at him has any bearing on his desire to move or stay, he's a Scouser and therefore knows the way things can be on the streets of Liverpool. If he was so thin-skinned he wouldn't have made it to this level in the game, he like most young players wants to be in with a chance of winning stuff and there's little chance of that happening for Everton in the near to mid-term future.

Michael Lynch
90 Posted 24/01/2023 at 17:48:47
Should he stay or should he go, that's up to him. But how can we consider selling him when we've just lost out on Danjuma? As for Onana to Chelsea, ffs do me a favour.

If Gordon and Onana do go, then we know the club have accepted relegation and are putting together a war-chest for next season. Moshiri will be telling Bielsa, don't worry we don't expect you to keep us up, so play the kids and the has-beens until May, and then you can spend £100m to get us promoted next season.

Andrew Ellams
91 Posted 24/01/2023 at 17:50:27
Gordon as a player is somewhere in between the average player some people have him down as and the homegrown superstar that some want him to be.

Will he get better? Probably.

Are we in a position to be developing potential in the first team right now? Definitely not.

Are we a club that can't turn a big offer for any of our players right now? Unlikely.

Mal van Schaick
92 Posted 24/01/2023 at 17:51:05
Clear out may be best for all.
Andrew Cronin
93 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:22:20
Bang average no consistency no discipline normally fucked after 60 minutes
I will be surprised if he pushes on should he leave the blues
Another Jeffers Barkley
Andy Crooks
94 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:32:20
I think he would be mad to stay in the Everton shambles. Also,I think it would be mad to turn down a decent offer for him. He might well be brilliant at Newcastle but any chance of that happening at Everton is gone for good.
Danny O’Neill
95 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:37:43
I'm in two minds on this one.

On one hand, I'd love to see him stay at Everton and be a success.

On the other, would we miss him? I'm not sure.

It's on the cards. He didn't appear on Saturday even though he was on the bench, which says a lot when we were chasing the game.

Seems he's gone.

Christine Foster
96 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:51:57
Any sales of players under contract have to be sanctioned by the board. All they have to do is say no..

As I said in another thread, we are selling the assets before being forced into a fire sale. You cannot help get the feeling the club is spiraling downwards and it's gathering terminal pace.

Who ever is sanctioning these sales is accepting relegation.

Neil Thomas
97 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:53:09
Well Danny I’m in one mind over this, and that is he stays, simply because we have nobody else coming in, and we’re not exactly filled with decent players as it is. If we sell Gordon, we’ll probably end up replacing him with Ryan Fraser
Kieran Kinsella
98 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:54:36
If it’s a fire sale pending relegation then why bother sacking Frank?
Neil Thomas
99 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:54:51
And after what the lad was put through after the Southampton game I honestly don’t blame him, that was an embarrassment to our club
Peter Carpenter
100 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:04:55
Why is anyone sanctioning the sale of players when there is no manager in place? What a fucking farce of a club this is.
John Charles
101 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:09:38
Seems a weird time but when it comes down to it if we can get 30-40mil got to do it. He is not even an average player.
Colin Glassar
102 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:10:36
Good point Peter. Who’s negotiating with who?
Anthony Murphy
103 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:25:33
He’ll be gone in 24 hours
Jason Hewly
104 Posted 24/01/2023 at 20:20:03
What???

Are you telling me a young man with the world at his feet doesn't like being chased down the street by some feral morons screaming abuse at him?

What a snowflake.

Colin Malone
105 Posted 24/01/2023 at 20:27:52
Gordon is a prodigy of the Unsworth era. Shite. Just boot it lad and run.

It was totally 'jobs for the boys' by Bill Kenwright.

Peter Carpenter
106 Posted 24/01/2023 at 20:39:28
Presumably, this sale, if it happens, is to pay off Lampard and his team.
Danny Baily
107 Posted 24/01/2023 at 20:49:12
I'd love it if he stayed, but it would be no great loss if he went.
Paul Kossoff
108 Posted 24/01/2023 at 21:06:40
Chelsea and Newcastle are keen on signing Everton forward Anthony Gordon before next Tuesday's transfer deadline.

Both clubs tried to sign the 21-year-old in the summer but neither could agree a fee with the Toffees.

However, there is a belief Everton may be more open to a sale this month in order to generate funds for Frank Lampard's replacement as manager, although it is unlikely either would pay the £60M Everton would ideally want.

The situation is complicated as it is not known how long it will take Everton to name a new manager.

Nevertheless, it is expected both clubs will step up their efforts to sign Gordon, who was an unused substitute in Saturday's 2-0 defeat at West Ham, which proved to be Lampard's last game in charge.

It has been suggested Chelsea would be willing to loan Gordon back to Everton for the remainder of the season, although it is felt Newcastle are favourites to sign the England Under-21 international.

Chris James
110 Posted 24/01/2023 at 23:05:53
Let’s get the cash.
He’s hardly a goal machine, recent form is poor and he actually cost us against saints with that challenge on the edge of the box.
Get Dyche in, give simms a run up front and try to shut up shop

Jason Li
111 Posted 24/01/2023 at 23:23:27
Sell.

Gordon is not ready and can't consistently affect games - yet. Know one knows when that is coming. I think he is a very good player already, just not got the finishing power yet. Messi is so much shorter but has that incredible power from range as an example. Gordon just hasn't found it yet.

With that money we can get 2 ready-to-go clinical finishers in. Imagine if we had the goals of either Siggy, Rodriguez or Richarlison we'd be in the top 10 right now. Gordon is nowhere near in terms of end product like these 3 players. If he was 24 and 20% better and getting 4 or 5 goals a season, would you take £40 million? A lot of clubs would.

We can even be creative and give Thelwell extra staff budget with some of that money to hire more of the best scouts in Europe and have a list ready for the summer.

Our two main problems is not selling when we get a good offer, and not having better players ready to offer to buy when we sell. This can be quickly rectified.

John Maxwell
112 Posted 25/01/2023 at 00:32:47
Its hard to watch Newcastle building their squad.

This should of been us after the investment from Moshiri, instead we are facing down the barrel at relegation or potential ruin.

Sound transfers and building slowly and they are in the top 4 and looking to build further.

There must be something seriously wrong at Everton.

Dupont Koo
113 Posted 25/01/2023 at 00:49:04
Anthony is now our "Crown Jewel" that, should he be sold, can solve a lot of our problems on & off the field. If a deal is to be made, it needs to achieve the following simultaneously:

1) Instant Cash Injection to improve our Cash Flow: We are £300 Million in red, so the deal needs to bring in an instant lump sum amount that can bring that amount down significantly. For me, it has to be at least £50 Million (Gordon is a Brit! The "Brexit" Premium needs to be priced in).

2) Allow us to strengthen: If the aforementioned amount is large enough, then we shall be able to have the "cookie crumbs" to strengthen the squad

3) Continue to benefit from Gordon's development & evolutions: Should Anthony contintue his ascension, he might wear the Three Lions one day scoring some goals, winning some trophies while winning the league and winning a Golden Boot (after Haaland has inevitably moved to Real Madrid) at club level. The deal needs to ensure us in a position to be benefited financially with those too. So, Add-Ons with various levels of likelihood would need to be included

4) If Anthony turns out a Gareth Bale 2.0, one of his future subsequent transfers could be record breaking. We can't miss out from that too, despite the nominal "Training Compensation" that FIFA stipulates for us. A significant % of Future Transfer Revenue need to be negotiated and secured in the deal. Not just merely "% of Future Profit": Kenwright indeed included such a clause in the Rooney Deal for Everton to get a % of Future Profit should Rooney be sold. Where did Rooney move on after ManU? Us, FFS! On a Free Transfer no less (thus the clause was voided and we are left with nothing amongst other "nothing" from the deal)

In short, from our current precarious situation, we absolutely cannont afford another Rooney Deal and have to force the Barcode & others coming to us with a "Godfather Offer" ("cue Marlon Brando saying: "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse" Link)

My Godfather Offer starts with parameters below:

- A Single Payment of £55 Million at the time of Transfer (no installments)

- £35 Million "Add-On" based on achievable milestones in the upcoming future (no more paltry & remote "£100,000 after 200 League Games played" that Kenwright & his entourage negotiated to puff up the Total Deal Amount)

- 25% of All Future Transfer Income that the Buying Club would receive on Gordon in the future

If Marc Cucurella, a non-Brit playing a less critical position on the field, can be sold for £55 Million, we need to fully embrace NSNO to make sure we are not having a Rooney Deal 2.0.

If the Barcode is indeed coming in with an initial bid of £30 Million, it would be nowhere close to achieving Point (1) above, let alone the others. Thelwell needs to laugh them off and not be bluffed.

Jeff Armstrong
114 Posted 25/01/2023 at 07:52:03
So it’s £30 million then, the £15 million add ons won’t materialise because that would entail goals, appearances, England call ups and trophies, not going to happen.
Dean Williams
115 Posted 25/01/2023 at 07:56:01
Get rid of him. He believes his own hype as the next big thing.

I predict he will go on to be just bang average. He couldn't lace Rooney’s or Barkley’s boots at that age.

Phil Wood
116 Posted 25/01/2023 at 08:01:08
Fed up of hearing people claiming to speak for the fans on the radio and saying they will drive Anthony Gordon to Newcastle.

I for one am not in that group. You don't speak for me.

Stuart Sharp
117 Posted 25/01/2023 at 08:18:09
Phil 126 - me neither. Does my head in.

Dean 125 - very few could match a 21-year-old Rooney. Would Barkley have done much better in the current regime? Maybe a bit.

But Gordon has potential, and last season showed he had passion and fight to match his talent. I remain convinced he's got lots of potential, but sadly in our situation we probably can't turn down the money for 'potential'.

Tony Abrahams
118 Posted 25/01/2023 at 08:33:28
I’ve never been Anthony Gordon’s biggest fan, and it’s not something I can put my finger on, but if he goes to Newcastle or Chelsea, I will him the best of luck, whilst thinking he’s a fifty-fifty, with regards to how his career is going to work out.

Loads of talent, but players only get to the top with real application, and maybe this is why I have never been fully endeared to the boy.

Good luck Anthony, work harder son, and try and make your talent flourish. There is more to life than money, kid, and at least you are getting away from a horrible dysfunctional football club, which might just give you a better chance of succeeding.

Everton need money - so hopefully we can look back fondly and thank Anthony one day, but the one thing Moshiri said, that was “definitely true” was that our recruitment has been incredibly substandard.

We have got to keep the faith and believe, no matter how far fetched this actually seems to anyone with a bit of intelligence right now!

John Pickles
119 Posted 25/01/2023 at 09:32:04
It's ok, our illustrious scouting department have identified a 5' 6", 33 year-old striker from the Russian second league. He's scored 5 goals in 50 appearances, (it would have been more but for all the injuries), he's apparently available for just £25M and the Gordon money will secure him.
Marc Hints
120 Posted 25/01/2023 at 09:42:09
I think 35 million with 15 million addons is a great deal for Gordon, not seen much to suggest he is worth half of that, fitness levels always an issue, no end product, no footballing brain, dives a lot, gives away silly fouls.
James Fletcher
121 Posted 25/01/2023 at 09:54:37
I think, if he does go, we might see the constant "diving" miraculously stop and instead he'll be getting fouled a lot more.
Tony Everan
122 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:10:02
Rumours that Biesla is first choice. Also that he wants to buy faster players who can play his relentless game.

Those three, four or five players won’t be free, so it looks like Gordon, Onana will be sold to fund Bielsa’s plan of action.

If that’s the plan , or whatever the plan is, and Mr Moshiri assures us there is one, they’ll have to get a move on, only six days left of this window.

Brent Stephens
123 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:19:01
Tony, I can't really see a new manager being appointed, Everton selling players he doesn't want, and buying players he does want - all in the space of a few days. So, surely an (interim / caretaker or permanent) appointment will be made, in the next few days, who is willing to work with the existing squad to avoid relegation.
Steve Brown
124 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:20:58
£40 million and Saint-Maximim seems like a good deal to me.
Paul Cherrington
125 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:25:29
Considering we obviously need the money to add new players to the squad and that Gordon has been pretty poor overall this season, I would sell him. But only for a decent amount – no cut price deals!

For me, the player seems to have been sulking since missing out on a big move in the summer. No point keeping him if he is unhappy and wants to go, as he will not play well moving ahead.

Barry Hesketh
126 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:37:52
Everton will give the green light for Anthony Gordon to join Newcastle today.

The wide man took the advice of fellow professional Ross Barkley, who told him that London as a city is a distraction amid links with Chelsea this window. [Source:EFC Daily]

Fran Mitchell
127 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:40:59
mad. I see fans celebrating the sale of another player.

as if we'll actually see any of the Gordon money. Pretty sure it'll deposited in the same account as the Arteta money.

Fran Mitchell
128 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:45:06
Liverpool got 17 million for Neco Williams. 20+ for Solanke.

and we sell a first team player, albeit out of form, with 50 odd premier league games to his name, for little more. with no replacements lined up, with our only genuine transfer move rejecting us in favour of a bench role, whilst we sit 19th, with no manager.
but we get some money to help towards debts cause our board seem resigned to relegation.

great news

Peter Carpenter
129 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:53:19
Tony (122) so that's sell a fast player to get fast players? Madness.
Allen Rodgers
130 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:58:09
I actually think Gordon will come good under the right coaching. We shouldn't sell unless its for £30m+ but no doubt we'll give him away.
James Hughes
131 Posted 25/01/2023 at 11:01:41
Barry #126 if he took advice from Ross then he is definitely daft

we lack goals and creativity and he is one of the few that can provide it. It speaks volumes that Onana said that Lampard was still the best player at the club

Tony Abrahams
132 Posted 25/01/2023 at 11:03:32
Gordon is very quick, but he hasn’t proved that he’s got the engine or the stamina, just yet imo. He’s not alone though, and when I started breaking our squad down, I think we have got enough runners who could adapt and maybe even flourish under Bielsa, but he’s correct, we have very little pace in many of our defenders.
Phil Lewis
133 Posted 25/01/2023 at 11:48:29
Gordon suddenly became hot property last season for one simple reason. He stood out from a team of dismal half hearted failures, as someone with spirit, heart and dash, who was prepared to go the extra mile when all around him had all but surrendered. He looked exciting amongst a drab team. That's what drew the attention of top clubs. The fact is, that his dash masked his shortcomings. It was not sustainable and all very short lived.

Look at his stats. How many goals has he scored? How many goals has he made? It's a meagre return. For all of his huff and puff there is no end product. He lacks overall vision of the game and positional awareness of his teammates.

His 'Superstar' status baffles me. The press invented it and the fans have run with the myth.

We should have snatched Chelsea's hands off when we had the chance. Lampard must now rue the day, as the money could have bought a proper goalscorer who may have kept him in a job and the team might not be in the perilous situation they are now facing.

His 'form' has dipped and he has depreciated in sale price since then. Can't people see that?

Take whatever Newcastle or anyone else offer for him and use the money on a striker capable of getting us out of this mess ASAP.

Mark Ryan
134 Posted 25/01/2023 at 12:37:27
Second fastest player in the PL behind Mudryk, 3rd Haaland
Fran Mitchell
135 Posted 25/01/2023 at 12:44:55
it baffles me how fans can simply say 'he's not that good' when in other topics the fans say 'the manager quite simply wasn't coaching well, didn't know tactic's etc etc '

as if the two things are not somehow related.

good coaching and in a team with confidence and a actual attacking gameplan will see Gordon improve.

he may not become a world beater, but he'll certainly be better than anyone we buy, and being English his value will soar.

But hey, 35 million in the bank to never be seen again and a new fit Andros Townsend, wehey

Denis Richardson
136 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:54:14
Hand-bite-off.

Get some of those petro dollars here and use them for a half decent striker or two.

Sell McNeil, Keane, Holgate, DCL, Maupay if we get any offers.

Mark Ryan
137 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:35:13
His and Richys determination carried us home last season. Now we're screaming at the lad. Makes no sense.

Sell him ? Well perhaps we might have to but treat him with some decency, he is one of our own.

What's the point in cheering on a club full of rich foreign mercenaries who could not give a shit about the fans or the badge

I take huge pride in knowing he's grown up around the club

I want Everton to be full of home grown talent ideally. That's not going to ever happen if we just hound each one out the door

Surely a team full of younng Evertonians is better than a team full of Champagne Charlie's?

Eddie Dunn
138 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:31:46
I wanted to keep him in the summer and with the right coach he could be a real asset. If he is sold, it is because we have to get money in before we spend.
Frank's slow possession based football certainly did not suit an attacking wide man and remember, we have only had Domenic back for five or six games, and he clearly hasn't been fit. So Gordon hasn't had much of a target.
Mal van Schaick
139 Posted 25/01/2023 at 17:58:13
He might be a better player in a better team, but that isn't Everton at the moment.

The problem is we can't trust Everton to sign the quality players that we need in our relegation battle, and it may be more squandered money.

Ian Riley
140 Posted 25/01/2023 at 19:13:30
£40 million up front and add-ons to £60 million!

If we are relegated? We may have to take £20 million in the summer.

It's the situation we are in.

Robert Tressell
141 Posted 25/01/2023 at 19:28:51
More rumours of outgoings than incomings now. Gordon and Onana will go in summer even if not now. Pickford too and probably Calvert-Lewin.

Whatever you think of the standard of any of these players, this is seriously bad news.

Alex Fox
142 Posted 25/01/2023 at 19:31:45
Like Lukaku, Stones and Barkley before him, Gordon gets criticised for not being world class. We need to stop holding these players to 1985 standards and be realistic. When will we realise that we're currently a very poor squad and these players – Gordon included – are the best we have?

Gordon is bang out of form, sure, but is still our second top scorer. He'll get 7-10 goals a season easy. Goals we need. He's young, rapid and has the potential to be a very dangerous player. It baffles me that people just shrug their shoulders as if there's a dozen more like Gordon on the market we can buy for peanuts.

We have a nasty habit of selling our best players and failing to replace them. Does anyone have any faith that we will spend this money wisely?

Barry Hesketh
143 Posted 25/01/2023 at 19:33:52
Alex @142,

I don't even have faith that we'll spend the money on incoming players.

Raymond Fox
144 Posted 25/01/2023 at 19:46:43
Don't we always sell our best players in the end? I could compile a list but I'm sure you know them.

We are here in trouble because we sold a certain Brazilian after last season.

Shane Corcoran
145 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:00:52
Missed training and wants out.
Joe McMahon
146 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:05:15
Alex @142,

To be fair, Lukaku was the most prolific scorer we've had since a one-off season with Lineker.

Peter Carpenter
147 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:14:39
Make him stay to the bitter end, just because we have to.
Danny Baily
148 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:16:32
Fine by me, goodbye Antony.
Gary Johnson
149 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:19:48
Another rat leaving the ship. No war cry to save the “team he loves, who gave me my start”, just the lure of more money and he's off. Kind of wishing the lads who pulled the car gave him a bit more grief.

Put him in the stands, write off the £10k a week, and let him rot for 2 years. Make a fucking stand that contracts mean something, for fuck's sake.

Jason Hewly
150 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:33:08
If I was him, and I had some feral "fans" chasing me down the street screaming abuse at me, while playing for a dysfunctional club that was paying me way below market value despite getting into the first team a year ago, I'd be off too.

The "fans" are reaping what they sowed.

That aside, he's overrated. His goals-to-games ratio is on par with Michael Keane. Maybe Keane could be the new Paul Warhurst.

Kieran Kinsella
151 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:44:26
Gary

"Kind of wishing the lads who pulled the car gave him a bit more grief."

Do we know he is demanding to leave?

Gary Johnson
152 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:45:35
Kieran - if a transfer request isn’t demanding to leave, what exactly is? Source is El Bobble, who’s normally pretty spot on.
Gary Johnson
153 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:47:10
So Jason, on thread A your fellow fans are Xenophobic and now they’re “feral”. Aren’t you a nice one.
Oliver Molloy
154 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:48:30
Totally different subject, but while watching the barcodes and Southampton last night and the wind up antics from Murphy to Caleta-Car when he was sent off, I just thought to myself what would Duncan Ferguson have done !
Bad form in my opinion and hope that Southampton can turn it round.
The barcodes starting to get very cocky these last few months and have been getting away with all sorts - Dan Burn should have had six odd penalties against him for pulling back players alone !
Tony Abrahams
155 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:51:22
I don’t think he’s had any desire to play for Everton since that incident ten days ago Gary, but you can’t make him sit in the stands whilst seeing out his contract, if he’s worth millions, when we are skint. I think that is even to mad for dysfunctional Everton at the minute.

Say anything enough and it becomes gospel to many, but the fans are reaping what they sow, is an absolute belter, considering how many line up on the streets hours before the kick off, to try and gee these players up.

Gary Johnson
156 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:54:12
He hasn’t really wanted to play since Chelsea shone pounds under his eyes Tony. Appreciate it’s a hell of a write off, but who knows, we may start a trend that puts some morals back in the game.
Kieran Kinsella
157 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:56:07
Tony

We could do both. We could straighten Tom Davies' hair and send him to Newcastle wearing a Gordon shirt.

Colin Malone
158 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:56:09
Gordon has put a transfer request in. According to the Bobble. Which ia a bit of great news.
Tony Abrahams
159 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:59:53
Understand your sentiments Gary, but I’d sooner take the money and try and save our season, so I’m hoping, that we can raise a glass to Gordon, who has already shown some Geordie tendencies with his crazy died blonde quiff!

Newcastle wanted Tom Davies at the beginning of last season Kieran, but they are shopping in a different league now.

I know you are in a very big bracket that can’t stand Davies, but I honestly still think we will need him this season, and if Bielsa comes in, he might even become an important player?

Bold shout I know, Kieran, but strange things happen in football!

Gary Johnson
160 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:01:42
We took the money for Stones and Rom Tony, yet here we are bottom of the league. At what stage do we try and do something different?
Soren Moyer
161 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:01:43
30m up front and 10m in addons is just well bellow the market value for English players! Don't you think?
Joe McMahon
162 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:04:46
Soren, thats probably about right, (I just don't rate him personally). It was Richie we should have demanded more for, Brazils No 9.
Martin Mason
163 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:06:07
Even the rats are deserting the sinking ship now. Another leap to the bottom for the club. May as well sell anybody who is EPL level although I'm not sure anybody is left.
Kieran Kinsella
164 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:08:04
18 months ago most were saying he wasn't good enough and was behind the likes of Broadhead and Dobbin. Four goals later if we sell him for 30 million that's a pretty good move. It's the kind of thing Liverpool have been doing for years with Jordan Ibe, Solanke, Brewster. For once, perhaps we've played it right instead of keeping him around long enough for him to become another Pennington or Garbutt.
Jason Hewly
165 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:09:25
Gary @153,

The feral ones are feral.
The xenophobic ones are xenophobic

The fact is, far too many "fans" are abusive idiots who are bringing our reputation down to the gutter. You have the choice to decide which side you're on, but I'm not going to compromise my morals and forgive this disgusting behaviour because they've got a Hafnia top in their drawer.

Tony Everan
166 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:10:47
Im sad and disappointed as I think he is going to develop further in a more stable environment and we will be watching him be successful for another team. If we were a well run outfit he would have been gradually introduced to the first team at the right times. The money is good but it’s only of any value if it’s reinvested well.

Gary Johnson
167 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:16:57
Jason, the only “abusive idiot” here is you, little man.
Jason Hewly
168 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:20:23
"Jason, the only “abusive idiot” here is you, little man."

I'm guessing that self-awareness isn't one of your talents.

Gary Johnson
169 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:22:13
…and oxymoron isn’t a word that you are capable of understanding.
Tony Abrahams
170 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:24:57
It’s sad, that he wants out, but with rumours circulating over the weekend, that he had told Lampard, he didn’t want to play on Saturday, and with the club being in such a desperate position, then we have got to do something, to find some funds for the incoming manager, whoever that may be? So the quicker this is now done, the better it’s going to be for all concerned, and once again, hopefully we will be able to thank Gordon one day, and remember him as the man that helped save Everton.


Gary Johnson
171 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:25:46
Mind you, there’s probably very few words you actually do understand. Just helps if you feel good about yourself labelling anyone who supports anything or anyone English as “xenophobic” and anyone scouse as “feral”. Snobby little keyboard warrior.
Jason Hewly
172 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:29:43
Gary, seriously, have another drink.
Gary Johnson
173 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:34:14
Keep typing little man…
Jason Hewly
174 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:54:36
Gary, you're going to get yourself banned for having a go at a fellow Evertonian.

I'm not going to reply to you after this comment tonight.

I'm sure we'll lock horns in the future.

Ian Edwards
175 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:02:24
Let's just get Gordon out asap. Over rated and we can hopefully use the money well in the remainder of the window.

As for the description of "feral" in respect of the little rat that chased his car. Feral is appropriate. I would even go further and suggest he be identified and banned from the Ground.

Does anyone really think present players and potential signings are going to be impressed seeing that? Has done harm to the image of the club.

Neil Copeland
176 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:10:39
Ian #74, agreed. There should be zero tolerance for that type of begaviour.

I see that Gordon will be back at training tomorrow. For how long of course is another matter.

Bill Gall
177 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:15:01
Have the Club given any indication that Gordon has given a transfer request in, and have they agreed to it, as that is the only way he can leave and the only way another Club can talk to him.
The Media who will backstab Everton at every opportunity they can get, first started when 2 players missed training, and that turned out they had permission.
The only time I believe anyone leaves or gets transfered to Everton is when they are photographed holding up the scarf.

Kieran Kinsella
178 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:15:48
Ian

I think with social media now these stupid punks are even worse behaved because they act up to the camera and post it online to impress their mates. Use their own evidence against them and ban them. Maybe that would deter others from acting likewise.

Rob Halligan
179 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:18:25
Bill, SSN now saying they understand Anthony Gordon hasn’t handed in a transfer request, and he will back at finch farm tomorrow. Doesn’t mean that he won’t be on the move though.
Rob Dolby
180 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:20:42
The power and decision is with the player. We may hold his contract but if he doesn't want to train then we aren't going to play a half hearted player in relegation battles. Remember lescott's last appearance?

I thought Gordon finished last season really strongly but those rumours of a Chelsea move definitely turned his head. This season his form has dipped like most of the team.

Times like this we need players to stick together and create a siege mentality. Having Gordon mopping around will be detrimental to the team. He has to be sold. Showing true colours at this point at least gives us a chance to get a transfer fee for him.

Phill Thompson
181 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:22:41
SkySports saying Gordon hasn’t put in a transfer. I see we’re in for Zyech as a £25 mill replacement, I really like Zyech, he’s a super player but 30 in March, and no doubt on very high wages at Chelsea to be matched. I would love him on loan with option to buy, but worry we spend all our money on someone whose value in 3 years time will be zero.
Bill Gall
182 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:25:59
Rob that may be possible but at this late in the transfer window with no manager I believe the club will not let him go until the summer. whether people like him or not he is better than other's in a forward line, he just may need someone to get his head out of the clouds, with a boot up his backside rather than an arm around his shoulder.
Rob Dolby
183 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:39:26
Bill 181. I hope your right. Not sure the old boot works on these young multi millionaires.
Mark Ryan
184 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:46:23
I hope we can keep him. I want him to succeed at Everton. Get Bielsa or Dyche. Either will give us a short term boost and enough to get us going. Very different men but either would give us a boost and either would keep us up. Frank was like a cancer. Nice chap but not a manager. Dyche or Bielsa ASAP and keep AG
Bill Gall
185 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:55:07
Thats ok Rob, if he doesn't want to play make him train on his own and remove all his playing bonuses, these players may be paid exorbitant sums but that is for them to play and make x amount of appearances. Contracts are made to protect the Club as well as the players.
Danny O’Neill
186 Posted 25/01/2023 at 23:12:20
I have no idea what is going on with Anthony Gordon.

Frustrations always have and always will come out. Anthony will understand that, but it should never ever be violent or abusive. A 21 year old from Kirkdale who's name we chanted repeatedly in the run in last season.

I know it doesn't represent the vast majority, but chased out of Goodison.

Well said Neil Copeland. A pleasure to meet you and walk on that prolonged trek to Stratford on Saturday. I wish it could have been in better circumstances. See you next time.

Danny O’Neill
187 Posted 25/01/2023 at 23:26:48
And let's not put all of this on the kid here.

Remember the recent Rooney interview.

The club is at play here too.

Brendan McLaughlin
188 Posted 25/01/2023 at 23:40:07
Danny #186

As was Rooney...

Colin Glassar
189 Posted 25/01/2023 at 23:57:53
I think we should all lay off Anthony. He's a young lad who's getting pulled all over the place probably. To be surrounded by lads who probably stood close to him on Gwladys Street and be abused in that fashion must've been a shock to him and helped made up his mind.

Remember Barkley getting sucker punched in a bar? They are Evertonians but they are also human beings with feelings and ambitions. Give the kid a chance.

Rob Halligan
190 Posted 25/01/2023 at 00:01:25
According to the BBC gossip page, Newcastle may be cooling their interest in Gordon, as they don't want to be in a bidding war for him.

They may turn their attention to one of our supposed targets, Hakim Ziyech, if they drop their interest in Gordon.

Pete Clarke
191 Posted 26/01/2023 at 00:34:56
Have we supporters not learnt anything from our recent history?

We sell our better players and replace them with bang-average mercenaries who are over the hill.

Gordon has talent and is only 21 years of age. He has scored more goals than most of the senior pros who should be chipping in and I think a good manager will get more out of him. Let's see who comes in first.

It's not as if somebody is gonna give us £70M and it balances the books so why even think of selling him? Get rid of all the other deadwood first.

Michael Williams
192 Posted 26/01/2023 at 02:11:51
Same old Everton hard-headed supporters and, for those of you putting in a word for Gordon, I salute you.

As an American who chose Everton to root for about 10 years ago (which gives me sort of an outsider perspective to view things) for reasons I will not explain, I will say this: If I were a young player, I would never sign for this club.

This is the club whose supporters ripped John Stones when it was clear he was more talented than any other English center-back. It's just that, when he was here, he was making young player mistakes.

It is almost the same with Gordon, who is not as talented as Stones was when compared to other players in his position but who really does have that something extra. He's 21, for God's sake. It takes some players time to get there and, in a dysfunctional unit like Everton, it will take longer… if they can get there at all.

I mean, my God, are any of those players learning anything with Frank there? Of course not! Not one player has improved their quality. All of them have regressed.

For all the Gordon haters – just shut the fuck up and realize if any of these players had the chance to get out of this club and move to a real club, they would take it. They have careers, family etc – just like we do.

David Cooper
193 Posted 26/01/2023 at 02:30:29
John Stones, in his few years at EFC, was a liability! Like Gordon, he believed his own hype that he was talented enough to play with the ball on the edge of his penalty area. He still is inclined to do that playing for Man City and England to occasionally do it.

Like many of Everton's young prodigies including Ross Barkley, Gordon and Stones, they had little idea of how to make intelligent in-game decisions.

There must have been something wrong in the coaching at Finch Farm that so many young players were/are unable to make good in-game decisions. Maybe too much of the coaching was based on doing what they were told rather than giving them opportunities in practice to develop their football intelligence!

Kieran Kinsella
194 Posted 26/01/2023 at 03:34:01
Michael,

If you don't want to disclose why you support Everton, then why do you mention you don't want to disclose the reason of your support in every post?

There are hundreds of posters on here and I have no idea why they support the club – neither is it something I am concerned about. So why are you such an attention seeker?

Christine Foster
195 Posted 26/01/2023 at 03:41:28
Phew... okay, what is it about us that has to have a go at every promising youngster we have, who suddenly (always according to the media) has done or said something they usually haven't. That we want rid... the sodding list is getting endless, same with managers, the list is getting longer!

One of these days I will wake up to realise I am part of a social media explosion where no one knows the truth, no one tells the truth and everyone doesn't care! (Even if they are mortally offended!) My god, I am just as bad!

But seriously, before posting stop and think. Are we to believe the media? No... Do we believe the Club? well no actually... Do we believe Fred's mate who knows the tea lady's son... abso-bloody-lutely!

How many youngsters, or even senior players, are hung out to dry by inference rather than truth?

Don't get me wrong, many aren't the full Echo, the closest they get to a goal is playing Spot the Ball...

So. Gordon is being hyped up by his agent, he is sorry to see a mentor go in Lampard, he is subject to abuse driving home in his car, on this website and others, probably in the street.

Let's face it, he isn't going to be handling all this well at his age. But here we go again – how much is he on, bad attitude, blah blah... just fill in his name on the same bullshit media rags that they used the same story for James, Rodwell, Stones, Barkley, Digne, Lukaku in fact any name you like.. the list is getting long.

Of course, the club are never involved, are they? Just leave the odd open-ended comment, or quote from an insider crap.

Guys, we need every bit of talent we can get. Not money. We can't even get a player to sign for us, so let's sell a few. Lord help us...

Encourage — and don't believe all you hear.

Kieran Kinsella
196 Posted 26/01/2023 at 03:54:50
David,

Stones is different from Gordon. We bought Stones based on his quality. Gordon was homegrown and not highly rated until lack of options allowed him to get into the team.

Ernie Baywood
197 Posted 26/01/2023 at 04:10:27
I don't think we've got the luxury of waiting for talent to develop. We need results now.

I'm pretty convinced, on ability, he gets in our best 11 right now; but if he wants to go (and who could blame him), then he can go.

He does seem to have downed tools a bit. There won't be room for that over the next few months.

Don Alexander
198 Posted 26/01/2023 at 04:16:09
Like all of us, I've watched Anthony Gordon since he was first selected as a first-teamer. Frankly, I'm amazed that any club values him at the reported fees.

In the distastefully weird world of modern-day football, the younger Saka (of Arsenal) must be close to being valued at a £1billion. And, exciting as he is, he's not that good.

Just like our Anthony.

Jay Harris
199 Posted 26/01/2023 at 04:28:08
Christine, as always, succinctly put.

This lad needs an arm around the shoulder and the support of his fellow Evertonians.

We are far too quick to jump on our own instead of nurturing and cultivating them.

Christine Foster
200 Posted 26/01/2023 at 04:43:42
Jay, it's not just Gordon, it's the total dumbing down of reporting, of reading more than the bullshit headline. For understanding that inuendo is not evidence, not truth and not fact!

Whilst we all become frustrated with daily reports that actually don't say anything (the Red Echo), the reactions often go over the top rather than dig a little deeper. We speculate, give opinion as best we can... but abuse? Really?

Moshiri called for patience, but the fans are getting paranoid. Frankly, now is not the time to abuse players when we need them to come together.

Kieran Kinsella
201 Posted 26/01/2023 at 04:45:12
Don @197,

I'd say Gordon has more heart than most but, as you say, there are younger players doing better, Saka among them.

I hate the yobs abusing him and dislike the character assassination by some on here but, if we could sell him for £30 million on the back of four goals, I'd take it.

Kieran Kinsella
202 Posted 26/01/2023 at 04:55:20
To Christine's point, various media are reporting that he didn't show up for training for 2 days – even though The Echo yesterday clarified he and Onana had scheduled time off.

Then we get El Bobble, a mysterious Twitter poster with a patchy track record who's accepted as gospel, while established newspapers like The Guardian post articles about Moshiri selling the club that are immediately dismissed as untrue by the man himself.

Beyond that there are rumors Tony Abraham's referred to about him refusing to play v West Ham Utd. Beyond that, Twitter is full of stories about Coady supposedly punching him. But of course there is zero evidence to back up any of this.

It reminds me of Howard Kendall Mk III coming out and saying Gary Speed refused to play West Ham Utd even though Kendall told him not to travel, having decided to cash in on him after Speedo apparently confronted him about his disease.

Point being, even an Everton legend like Howard Kendall might bend the truth on occasion — so why do people blindly accept gossip put out by some nameless weirdo calling himself El Bobble?

Colin Glassar
203 Posted 26/01/2023 at 05:20:08
Who else is keen to know why Michael Williams became an Evertonian but is unable to say why? This could be like a good thriller.
Paul Tran
204 Posted 26/01/2023 at 06:03:24
A promising player who would be very good in a team that pressed well and moved the ball, and themselves, quickly.

Right now, that's not us. And we need some money.

We need players who want to be here. If he wants to go, let him go with best wishes.

Derek Thomas
205 Posted 26/01/2023 at 06:39:55
David Cooper @ 192;

"Many young players were/are unable to make good in-game decisions. Maybe too much of the coaching was based on doing what they were told rather than giving them opportunities in practice to develop their football intelligence!"

Sorry, mate, you've got the cart before the horse there.
There's 'Instinct' and there's 'The Percentage Ball'.

Those players you mentioned all have good Instinctive skill, so, as they come up the age groups, being head and shoulders above their peers... literally, And figuratively in Barkley's case, their coaches – as it's making the win stats look good – just let them get on with it. *

*See Barkley's goal vs Newcastle - pure Instinct. Lukaku's waiting in vain for the final pass (as glory-hunting goal-hangers do) but I'm not sure Barkley even sees him – he's in his own little zone.

Which is all okay when it works – but not when you end up doing that 360 thing that Barkley did so often. All the (footballing) gear… but no idea.

It's hard to tell if the Coaches aren't telling them about "The Percentage Ball" or they can't or won't listen, or it just goes in one ear and out the other – there being no real football brain in the middle to soak it up.

Darren Hind
206 Posted 26/01/2023 at 07:01:37
Let's spend months hating on him.

Let's label him a greedy bastard even though we don't know him.

Let's create "rumors" that he has a bad attitude and keep circulating them until we can pass it off as the truth.

Let's abuse him (the youngest player on the pitch) when he heads home after playing a small part of a complete shit show by everyone at the club.

Let's make fuck-witted demands to cut our penniless nose off to spite our penniless face by sticking him in the stand to rot.

Oh, I almost forgot: Let's rip the evil bastard to shreds if he wants to escape the living hell we have created for him.

Some people on here wouldn't know a footballer if he crashed through their living room wall in his Gold Bentley.
Like John Stones, Gordon will be a top star winning trophies in a couple of years time and his haters will still be popping up to claim they were right all along.

Moshiri was right. Many of the fans of this club are getting exactly what they deserve. The problem is: the rest of us a getting it too. If, as many claim, the club is cursed, it's most definitely a curse we brought upon ourselves.

I find it disgusting to watch people who were putting up outright lies they had read in the fucking Sun to discredit and hate this kid, now trying to sneak across the other side of the house holding up a clean pair of hands as if it was nothing to do with them.

Jim Bennings
207 Posted 26/01/2023 at 07:19:09
Darren @205,

That's Everton Football Club for you mate.

Remember when we had that flat track bully Romelu Lukaku, that everyone moaned about, the one who scored 20 goals a season?

People complaining Barkley ran down blind alleys (despite being a goalscoring midfielder with a rocket shot).

Well, we are finally left with Frankenstein's monster of a club.

Bill Gienapp
208 Posted 26/01/2023 at 07:19:23
Kieran (193) / Colin (202)'

This has quickly become my favorite running joke on ToffeeWeb, the mysterious origin of Michael Williams's Everton allegiance. No matter how much we beg, plead, cajole or threaten, he'll never tell! We'll all go to our graves never knowing – BWA-HA-HA-HA!

(I suspect the answer is that he put the name of every club in a hat and just happened to draw Everton.)

Danny O’Neill
209 Posted 26/01/2023 at 07:37:13
If the club didn't want to sell, they would come out and say he's not for sale. "No smoke without fire" as they say. With the Chelsea and now Newcastle rumours, it would appear we are sounding out potential bidders, so the player will want what is best for him if that decision has been made.

Rooney was a teenager who, if we take him at face value in his recent interview, didn't want to leave at the time. But when he realised the club wanted to sell him, he steered it to where he wanted to go, not to who the club tried to allegedly sell him.

Don't get me wrong, it would be ridiculous for me to suggest that Rooney wouldn't have outgrown us, but another 2 seasons would have been great to watch. We got a taste but not the full flavour.

Those around at the time can comment with more authority than me, but I remember listening to a radio interview with Alan Ball years ago on a long drive home. He said he never wanted to leave Everton, but the club had decided to sell him. He went on to say that he confided in his father, who advised him that once the club doesn't want you, it's time to move on.

I hope Anthony stays, and through experience I won't be putting too much criticism on the player with these rumours or if he moves. Other forces are at play from what I'm reading into it.

On the pitch, he's been off-form but who wouldn't be in this team? He is still very young and developing. Give him time and he can come good.

No direct comparison, but I remember the stick Jack Grealish used to get in his early days and his off-the-field behaviour was way beyond anything Anthony has done.

In fact hasn't done. Seems a quiet lad who is just focussed on Everton and playing football. A shame a few idiots chased him down the road in his own backyard.

Aston Villa stuck with Grealish, including in the Championship. He was a star for them, made them £100M and is now an England international.

Using the Grealish comparison, he's matured and developed. It can happen for Anthony, playing in the right team.

Unfortunately, rather than hold on and wait for serious offers, we seem to go to a car boot sale to offer our assets on the cheap.

Good luck to Anthony. I just hope it is with Everton.

I'll have my second coffee. I should be okay then.

Derek Thomas
210 Posted 26/01/2023 at 07:47:46
Jim @ 206... as you so rightly say (I think?), there's nowt wrong with being a "Glory-hunting goal-hanger"* – we should be so Rick or Kylie 'king lucky.

* Comment was purely illustrative and for comparative purposes only... Lukaku? We should be so Rick or Kylie 'king lucky!

Phil Wood
211 Posted 26/01/2023 at 08:11:56
Good Luck, Anthony. I wish you all the best.

You have tried hard to succeed here but this place is chaos. Go and make something of yourself.

Iain Johnston
212 Posted 26/01/2023 at 08:15:32
He's asked to leave the club and has missed training sessions, spoke to Ross Barkley about London and now seems destined to join Newcastle Utd.

Only rumours of course but the figures which seem to gaining the most traction are £35M rising to £50M will add-ons.

I'll be sad to see him go as I firmly believe, under a manager with a less negative approach, he'd thrive for us but... we're desperate for a striker and we're skint so needs must.

Ian Jones
213 Posted 26/01/2023 at 08:31:07
Lookman was another young talent who perhaps went before he'd had a decent chance. Doing okay at the moment in Serie A for Atalanta, plenty of goals and assists.
Craig Walker
214 Posted 26/01/2023 at 08:40:25
I think Gordon might be more effective in a better team but he's very wasteful and raw, at the moment. If the rumours of £40mM are true then we should cash in.

The problem is, our scouting system only seems to be able to look to players that we've all heard of and other teams' cast-offs. Surely there are better value players in lower leagues or plying their trade abroad?

Why can the likes of Brighton and Brentford recruit players to fit a system who nobody has heard of?

Peter Neilson
215 Posted 26/01/2023 at 08:46:31
Yes Lookman doing well at Atalanta. No doubt it helps being at one of the best run clubs in Europe. They took a very different path to us after they hammered us in the Europa. Moshiri could do with asking their advice.
Neil Copeland
216 Posted 26/01/2023 at 08:49:14
Bill #207, me too, although Everton was the second name I pulled out of the hat……

Danny #187, same here mate and there will be better times we just need to be patient and give our all.

We need a new manager before we let anyone leave. Gordon may just need to feel wanted and have confidence in a system which brings the best out in him. I have found him to be frustrating this season but as others have already stated, he is part of a dysfunctional team.

A number of players that Howard Kendall brought in looked pretty poor at first until a system was found that was greater than the parts. I appreciate that Gordon is homegrown rather than someone we have bought but let's see what a new man can do with him.

If we need money to cover the severance package there are other less talented players we can use.

Mick O'Malley
217 Posted 26/01/2023 at 08:55:41
Jim @ 205 absolutely spot on, complaining about the best centre forward we've had for years because he wasn't the best at trapping a ball, and the abuse dished out to Ross Barkley was beyond belief, I can't blame him for going.

I'd welcome Ross back now, he's head and shoulders above any midfielder we have now.

Let's hope Onana doesn't move on cos he's got his fair share of critics even though he's playing in a new league with less than 30 appearances to his name.

Kim Vivian
218 Posted 26/01/2023 at 08:55:45
Michael Williams is such a tease, isn't he...
Christopher Timmins
220 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:02:30
Craig

One of the problems this club has is that it does not have a "system" of play, which makes it easier for acquisitions to be identified. Just look at the current front runners for the managers job, Bielsa and Dyche have nothing in common regarding the manner in which they set up.

Bielsa will play on the front foot, with a high line while Dyche will utilise a low block and play two up top.

If Bielsa is chosen then his successor should be immediately identified, a natural fit would be the current West Brom manager, if we go with Dyche then someone in his mould, should also be identified to succeed him. It is only by taking this course of action that we can develop a system of play.

We need to agree on a style of play and then stick with it, unfortunately, we have a car crash of an owner who knows little or nothing about running a football club so until he departs its hard to see any improvement in the short term.

Neil Copeland
221 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:03:35
Rob #218, yes I saw that too. Good luck to Duncan and hope he goes on to prove himself and then you never know. As you say it makes our list targets a bit shorter, just hope we don’t regret not giving him a chance.
Paul Hewitt
222 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:07:59
Apparently Duncan's turned the Forest Green job down.
Nick Page
223 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:28:52
Just saw Gordon’s stats on SSN. Virtually #1 in all the categories like sprint, presses, xG. They said he’s the quick, aggressive sort of player Newcastle are looking for. Obviously stats in general are totally lost on Kenwright & Co and it would just be this board summed up to sell him, at a cut down price, with 4 days left in the window, 2 excluding the weekend without a manager or a strategy. I find it disgusting what has happened between Gordon and the fans and those people responsible for scapegoating a young man and an Evertonian should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Up to now I’ve just been angry at Kenwright and Baxter for their complete fucking intransigence and arrogance but after this week, with the club being ripped apart by these complete bastards, it feels more like the last throes of a loved one who is terminally ill. And I should know. I’m just glad my Dad isn’t around to see this anymore. Please make it stop.
Peter Carpenter
224 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:28:52
5 to go; no manager, no new players.
Don't panic.
Sean Roe
225 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:30:09
I haven't given a stuff or felt any kind of affiliation with any player since probably Lukaku leaving.

Bye bye Anthony, take the rest of the squad with you for all I care.

Peter Carpenter
226 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:36:58
Perhaps he found out they are vegans, Paul. Actually, their menu sounds great; chickpea wrap, Thai veg curry, cheese pie - better than the warmed up shit they serve at Goodison.
Neil Copeland
227 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:44:21
Paul #221, perhaps he knows something that we don’t ( and I don’t mean the vegan menu).
Danny O’Neill
228 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:46:30
I know I've been critical of Duncan. If I'm being honest, it wasn't aimed at him directly, I was just confused at what his actual role was and how much influence he had. I obviously have no insider information, so it is just a view point from what I was seeing.

The player frustrated me more than his role at Finch Farm to be honest. As I've said many times, he always seemed a reluctant footballer. I can't criticise for injuries, as that just goes with the territory and, in some ways, I wonder if his physique plagued him like I suspect it does with Yerry Mina?

But his discipline always got the better of him on too many occasions. We all like a bit of passion. I think my most disappointing moment with him when he let the team down was Charlton away when he got sent off early in the game. We lost and Charlton isn't an easy ground to get to and away from!!

My serious point is that I wish Duncan well. I just don't think he's lived up to his potential; certainly as a player. I won't quote Joe Royle again as we all know what he said with those wise words coming from one of the great Everton number 9s.

Once he released his self-imposed embargo on talking to the press, you get the impression he is a genuine and humble person, who I have respect for. And I always liked that footage of him doing an after dinner speech. I think it was at St George's Hall (don't quote me). It's probably still doing the rounds on YouTube.

It's like there are two Duncans. Jekyll and Hyde. Angry man on the pitch. Nice guy off it. Apart from if you break into his house that is!!

Forest Green might have been a good thing for him. Or maybe he's holding out to follow his dream. I hope not on two counts.

I don't think he's up for it but I will eat humble pie if he takes me to Wembley.

It will destroy him like many before him.

Go and be successful Duncan and come back when you're ready.

Meanwhile, I am still clueless as to who our next sacrificial lamb will be.

John Cook
229 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:11:36
Why does anyone have to explain the reasons they become an Everton fan? I have always accepted that I was chosen.

Born not manufactured. So we don't need to explain. If you need to, then it doesn't matter.

Alan McGuffog
230 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:21:59
Michael,

You chose to follow Everton ten years ago?

I gather certain members of Opus Dei wear the cilice that cuts into the upper thigh.

Tony Abrahams
231 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:38:37
Brendan @187, I’d love to see the evidence of Rooney, being at it, mate. The boyhood Evertonian admittedly left us, but I tend to believe his side of the story, that he told on ‘toffee tv’ the other week. He said he wanted to stay at Everton, for another year, and then found out they had been speaking to Chelsea, to try and sell him behind his back, and this was how he ended up leaving Everton.

I don’t think it would have been possible for Bill Kenwright, to continue as the Everton owner, if he hadn’t sold Rooney, so us Evertonians, got a massive double-Whammy. Loads even ending up being very happy with becoming plucky little Everton, the team that punched above their weight, and sometimes even took the title, of being the best of the rest. But I also think loads knew even then, what Bill Kenwright was all about.

I’ll look forward to reading your information Brendan, because I’ve personally never believed for one minute, that Rooney wanted to leave Everton, before it was initially engineered behind his back?

Rob Halligan
232 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:32:48
Anthony Gordon has now gone AWOL. He’ll be in serious shit for doing that.
Danny O’Neill
233 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:37:38
Well that is breach of contract Rob.

If I don't don't turn up for work without a reason, there are implications.

His head might be elsewhere, but he he has to remember who is currently paying his wages and keep showing up until the situation changes.

Rob Halligan
234 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:40:06
Exactly, Danny. Let’s hope the personnel department have been on the blower to him. Maybe he’s sick? 🤫🤫🤫
Peter Hodgson
235 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:02:47
There is something strange here. Yes he hasn't turned up for training acccording to SKY who are presumingly reporting fact not fiction. Yes he is in breach of contracst if that is the case. But what I find strange with this suposedly Newcastle interest which has got stronger in recent days according to the pundits and media is that no word about it has come from either Club. Not even we are talking etc etc.

Is this interest real then? I am wondering if the word on the street is true because if so Newcastle are playing a very strange game being a the window is closing shortly. Gordon not turning up for training suggests that he is trying to engineer a move somewhere. Is it Newcastle or London?

He seemed to favour London las time. Are the signs he is sernding out suggesting that? Who knows but to me it is all a bit odd.

Ray Smith
236 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:11:19
It’s all speculation again.
As I’ve said before, the silence from within is deafening.
Surely after recent events, some form of statement as to our current negotiations/dealings wouldn’t go amiss.
However, it is Everton, and the one thing you can’t deny is their consistency!
Ian Bennett
237 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:22:06
Everton midfielder Anthony Gordon has now asked to leave the football club and has missed the last 2 training sessions at Finch Farm – El bobble.
Kieran Kinsella
238 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:26:53
Is he really AWOL? On Monday they said he was in the media then said only joking he had a day off. The same happened yesterday. Now the first part has happened today again. It doesn’t appear the club have made a public statement.
Barry Hesketh
239 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:33:43
The rumour is that Bielsa has taken Anthony hostage, due to the youngster's speed, the Argentinian saying "You sell him and I don't take the job" the other rumour is that Dyche has got him in a headlock somewhere in Lancashire and has him rinsing the dye out of his hair, whilst Dyche munches on Yorkie bars.
Pat Kelly
240 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:53:51
IF it's true he is refusing to train with the squad, it shows a lack of class and disrespect to Everton.

Maybe he's been excused pending his sale ?

Do any of them want to play for us anymore?

Jay Harris
241 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:05:12
I feel sorry for Bainesy and Paul Tait having to prepare for Arsenal with all this nonsense going on.
Michael Lynch
242 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:39:04
It'll be a shame to see him go, especially as he'll be given so much hate every time he plays against his boyhood team now, but a part of me would love to see Chelsea hijack the move at the last minute. Just to see the Barcodes suddenly start saying how shite he is, and also to see him doing a Ross Barkley.

I love the idea of Onana turning down a move because he wants to help Everton fight for survival, while a local lad throws his toys out of the pram and refuses to even train with his team. Of course, it's probably all paper talk, but nevertheless funny.

Did Coady really give Gordon a slap? We need to know,


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