Sam Allardyce takes over at Leeds

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Former Everton manager, Sam Allardyce, has been installed as Leeds United's new manager for the final four games in this season‘s tense Premier League relegation battle following the sacking of Javi Gracia. 

The Dudleyite, famed for his "fire-fighting" missions to save embattled clubs, has been brought in by an Elland Road regime desperate to stave off demotion back to the Championship following a run of five games without a win that has seen Leeds conceded 18 goals.

The Yorkshire club sit in 17th place in the Premier League, two spots and one point above Everton and they have turned to Allardyce as their third head coach of the season after Gracia was drafted in to replace Jesse Marsch.

Marsch successfully kept Leeds in the top flight last season with a final-day escape at the expense of Burnley but struggled to inspire confidence before being let go 11 games ago.

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Allardyce was hired by Everton owner Farhad Moshiri in the autumn of 2017 following the dismissal of Ronald Koeman with the Blues in 13th position; he led them to 8th that season before being relieved of his duties in the summer.

His recent attempt to keep West Bromwich Albion in the Premier League failed, however, the first dent in his fire-fighter reputation and he faces a daunting first away game at Manchester City before Leeds host high-flying Newcastle, travel to West Ham, and then close out the campaign with a home game against Tottenham. 



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Andrew McLawrence
1 Posted 03/05/2023 at 09:07:14
Can you imagine the smug look on Sam's face when he steers Leeds to safety at our expense?
Peter Carpenter
2 Posted 03/05/2023 at 09:13:53
It will be the same smug look if they go down and he waddles off with a few million of their pounds.
Mike Doyle
3 Posted 03/05/2023 at 09:29:55

I think we all know Sam will be setting up not to concede then maybe pinch one on the break. 4 points and their current goal difference could decisive.

Given the narrow points spread of the bottoms 5/6 teams, goal difference may yet decide the relegation contest.

Brent Stephens
4 Posted 03/05/2023 at 10:08:06
Mike #3 "I think we all know Sam will be setting up not to concede then maybe pinch one on the break".

Mike, I think that will suit us. We want our defence to be tested as little as possible (ref keane). And our attack to have as many chances as possible (ref DCL).

Kevin Molloy
5 Posted 03/05/2023 at 10:16:10
The absolute wild card for us are those two cockney clubs. I think we may get what points should be enough to keep us up, but who would bet on Spurs and Chelsea beating any relegation candidate at the moment. Hopefully the chairmen sack both incumbents in the next few days.
Peter Carpenter
6 Posted 03/05/2023 at 10:36:32
I've never been so worried about Chelsea's poor form. Lampard has now lost 10 in a row if you include the last 4 with us. I am worried about his mental health too.
Steve Brown
7 Posted 03/05/2023 at 11:34:02
Andrew @ 1.

Allardyce will not be wearing a smug grin after Saturday's away game at Man City. More like a bulldog chewing a wasp.

Robert Tressell
8 Posted 03/05/2023 at 11:48:01
Bizarre season. Allardyce knows what he's doing but he's been out of the game for a while.

Hasn't stopped Roy Hodgson making an immediate impact although he must know some of the Palace squad already.

The issue with Leeds is that they are built to contest games / play football. It's a massive culture shock to grind out results.

We'll see – but sadly I think their chances of staying up are slightly improved. They were going down under Gracia.

Joe McMahon
9 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:02:12
I never understand why this guy gets so much stick. If we kept him, we wouldn't be where we are in the table now – and millions better off.

Paul Hewitt
10 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:05:33

I think you're right. But we think we're better than an Allardyce type manager.

Barry Hesketh
11 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:10:14
Some Evertonians know what the club has stood for over the years, although that standing has been washed away by the owner and the board in recent years. He had a go in charge, he wasn't a total failure, but he wasn't our future either, he actually spent big money on Tosun, I rest my case.

Can't stand the gum-chewing, gravy-swilling, arrogant bloke.

Brian Harrison
12 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:16:18
Seems Leeds have gone full circle from Bielsa style of attacking football, to Allardyce's more defensive pragmatic football.

He has mainly made a living off getting employed with 10-15 games of the season left by clubs who are in trouble. He could boast about a good track record of keeping sides up but failed to do that at WBA. Just like Benitez, he is another that will only get jobs when everything looks lost.

And not forgetting Allardyce who always has an eye for making money gets £500,000 for about 3 weeks work and a further £2.5M if he keeps them up. So it's a win-win for Allardyce: if they go down, he will say it was a big ask to turn things round in such a short period and, if he succeeds, he pockets the £2.5M whichever way it goes – not bad for 3 weeks' work.

Paul Hewitt
13 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:17:27
Barry he should have been given a few years just to stabilise us. All this we are Everton bollocks he's not good enough will get us relegated.
Barry Hesketh
14 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:23:32
It's six years since Allardyce took charge of Everton, wasn't Ancelotti a better choice than Big Sam? I don't understand how we could imagine that Allardyce would have done better than Ancelotti, besides which we currently have a Big Sam type manager in place.

It could also be argued that the appointment of Allardyce was the most divisive, as it clearly set fans against the leadership of the club and showed that the owner didn't have a clue about what or who he wanted in place, exacerbated by the appointment of Benitez, in later years.

Neither of those two managers should have been anywhere near Goodison, and I wouldn't have advocated that either should have stayed a minute longer than they did.

Peter Carpenter
15 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:31:17
There's nothing quite as good for the reputation as being elsewhere when the shit is flying. What is the evidence that he would have stabilised us rather than West Brom-ing us?
Kevin Molloy
16 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:34:59
we don't need to imagine, he did do better than Ancelotti. I was thinking we should grab him again if we had got beat on Monday, but on reflection I think he's not going to have enough time to make a difference, it didn't work at West Brom for him, and as noted above, Leeds are built to attack, not defend.
Laurie Hartley
17 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:42:31
Barry # 22 - but we picked Frank Lampard. An OK fella but the worst football manager of the lot of them. Just saying... 😉

Sam's survival strategies (from my way back machine)

Keep a clean sheet

Do not lose possession in your own half

Play the first pass forward

Win the knock-down

Make the most of set pieces

Exploit the opposition's weaknesses

Capitalise on opportunities in the final third

These are the keys to stay up.

Joe McMahon
18 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:43:42
The point I'm trying to make is, we are in the bottom 3 with Sean Dyche (and yes not necessarily because of Sean). Carlo isn't here and escaped at the first opportunity (after collecting millions in salary).

I live in Lancashire, I know Blackburn and Bolton fans who would have him back in a heartbeat (even now). Top 10 finishes with both clubs and didn't relegate either, and (I think) gave Everton (Moyes) a thrashing at both clubs. Didn't he also get West Ham 8th (before the money came?)

Barry Hesketh
19 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:51:14
Moshiri had only been in charge for 18 months or so, when Allardyce was appointed, the expectations were very very different to what they are now. Lampard in hindsight shouldn't have been appointed, but neither should a great list of managers have been at Goodison either.

Kevin @24

I bow to your superior memory, but I'd have thought that Ancelotti, gained more wins and points in percentage terms than Allardyce, but I haven't checked it out to know for sure. I'm surprised if Big Sam did perform better than Carlo in their time at Everton.

Nick Page
20 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:53:54
Every manager for the last 10 years has been treated like shit by the club for the simple fact that they have all been let down time and again by the worst board of directors in football.

I didn't mind Allardyce at all, and I thought a section of the fanbase showed just how delusional they are. If we'd've been in the Bottom 3 with him in charge, he'd deserve the sack…. but we weren't and he didn't.

Paul Hewitt
21 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:55:38

The only reason Lampard was appointed was us fans didn't want that Portuguese bloke.

Robert Tressell
22 Posted 03/05/2023 at 12:55:42
Allardyce was brought in to stabilise a team that didn't need that much stabilising.

He saddled us with £50M worth of Tosun and Walcott.

Getting rid of him wasn't the mistake, the recruitment that undermined Silva was the mistake.

In fact it was also idiotic recruitment that led to us thinking we needed Allardyce in the first place.

Years and years of idiotic recruitment!

Ajay Gopal
23 Posted 03/05/2023 at 13:00:34
Allardyce has succeeded when he had at least one transfer window to bring in his type of players, although admittedly it did not work at West Brom because the damage had already been done.

Our survival depends solely on our own performances – we can at best expect to get 1 point from Brighton & Man City. And then go hammer and tongs at Wolves and Bournemouth who are hopefully on the beach by that time. Any slip-ups in these 2 games, and it is curtains for Everton in the Premier League next season.

James Potter
24 Posted 03/05/2023 at 13:10:47
Allardyce at Everton, Premier League record:

Win % - 37.5

Interestingly, we're the only team where he's won more than he lost.

James Newcombe
25 Posted 03/05/2023 at 13:12:55
I thought the story was that our owner saw Tosun score in the Champions League. Dreadful signing though, behind even Rondon in the pecking order by the end!

I thought sections of our fanbase were just completely disrespectful to Allardyce; and Leeds will be stronger now, for sure.

I'd rather watch alehouse football and be safe. I'm not sure how much more of this season I can take!

Raymond Fox
26 Posted 03/05/2023 at 13:30:35
From our point of view, I don't think his appointment is good news.

Say what you want about him but he tailored his tactics to his players abilities.

Trying to play Man City with knock-it-about football is asking to be beaten.

I remember when he managed Bolton, Wenger at Arsenal hated playing them.

Peter Carpenter
27 Posted 03/05/2023 at 13:31:06
Kevin (24) Who did better?

Allardyce: 9 wins, 7 draws, 8 defeats – 1.41 points per game, win percentage 37.5.

Ancelotti: 25 wins, 14 draws, 19 defeats – 1.53 points per game, win percentage 43.1.


Under Allardyce we finished 8th with 49 points.
Under Ancelotti we finished 10th with 59 points.

Take your pick.

Source; ToffeeWeb/club/managers (Although I think there is a mistake in Ancelotti's record for his first season. Doesn't 8 wins and 6 draws make 30 points?)

Tony Everan
28 Posted 03/05/2023 at 13:31:19
Can't say it's not interesting!, or is the word amusing or hilarious?

They'll get well beat against Man City, their defence is terrible. 3-0 minimum.

Then it's the crunch game, for which all the chips will be on the table , home against Newcastle. Lose that one as well and you will literally hear the air coming out of the balloon.

At best they'll be on 32 or 33 points going into the last game against Tottenham. It's possible we'll need Tottenham to get a draw at least. Ironically, Richarlison's efforts may help save us again!

Andrew Keatley
29 Posted 03/05/2023 at 13:33:37
Brent (4) – You do realise that we don't play Leeds again this season...

Robert (30) – Ah. The old recruitment drum. You do realise that a club's poor recruitment doesn't always preclude a manager from finding an answer. Eddie Howe has managed – with four or five clever additions – to galvanise a group of players that were largely underachieving for several seasons. If we'd been linked with players like Almiron, Joelinton, Schär or Jacob Murphy 12 months ago we'd have been up in arms. Now, they are all making major contributions for a Top 4 club.

It's often small margins at the top, and we've got a bunch of players that have struggled to find a way to access their very best, under a stream of managers and tactics. Things like that aren't an easy read at the time of recruitment, but we've been on this roundabout several times before, so I'll step off now.

Dale Self
30 Posted 03/05/2023 at 13:35:53
I’m not at all convinced that Allardyce’s rigid, erm, philosophy will be taken up effectively by players used to marauding runs for goals. It’s not clear Ayling can keep that locker room in proper mentality after recent results. Just the thought of fearing Allardyce is bizarre at best
Paul Hewitt
31 Posted 03/05/2023 at 13:38:34
Leeds will lose the next two games. But I can see them getting a point at West Ham and beating Spurs.
Christy Ring
32 Posted 03/05/2023 at 14:57:55
I don't give two shits about Leeds, worst supporters in the Premier League apart from our neighbours, hope they're relegated.

Didn't Sam pay way over the odds for Walcott and Tosun?

Andy Crooks
33 Posted 03/05/2023 at 15:13:28
I don't care for Allardyce. I think he is a money grabbing, vastly overrated, piece of shit. He should never have been allowed to contaminate our club. (Fucking Tosun).

But, Man City will not thrash Leeds as we need them to. He will bounce them to a points tally that we might just struggle to match.

Danny O’Neill
34 Posted 03/05/2023 at 15:21:19
I don't concern myself for the bung accepting corrupt Allardyce and his media supporters.

I don't care about Leeds. Who are they?

I care about Everton.

Steve Brown
35 Posted 03/05/2023 at 15:46:00
Kevin @ 16,

“We don't need to imagine, he did do better than Ancelotti.”

Well that can be filed under bollocks for a start.

Ancelotti's win ratio at Everton = 46%, Lardiola's = 37%.

He wasted £50 million on Walcott and Tosun, stank the place out with his neanderthal football and rightly got binned at the end of the season.

Kevin Molloy
36 Posted 03/05/2023 at 15:48:17
He finished 8th, Steve.

Where did Carlo finish again, remind me?

John Daley
37 Posted 03/05/2023 at 15:57:32
It's certainly not been a happy camp there recently (in comparison to most clubs other than Everton, of course).

Statements of no confidence in the previous manager from the club's supporters advisory board.

Currently leaking more goals than an unlucky fucker who found a Michael Keane cloning facility.

There was a story the other day about their players completely blanking a group of fans and well-wishers who had gathered and waited to greet them at their team hotel.

Little kids in Leeds kits waving and wondering if they were no longer corporeal as their ‘idols' kept their heads down, refusing to respond, before being blocked off by security personnel.

Cue a club apology and a hollow ‘Thank you for your continued support' that could be read aloud in the voice of Robocop and not sound any less authentic or appreciative.

Say what you want about Allardyce, but he's hardly been a unifying figure, especially throughout the latter part of his career. There will be as many Leeds fans thinking this is a ludicrously futile and desperate last throw of the dice from a dickhead owner who can see the ground rapidly opening up beneath him, as there is those who think anything is worth a go, even the Fred Elliot in a wig who has been sat with his feet up for two years after losing his ‘never been relegated' lustre in his last job at West Brom.

Four games is a free hit for ‘big Sam', but his presence isn't likely to calm things down any during those fixtures. Especially as two of the games are against former clubs with fan base's that can't stand the man after discovering him to be more anti-football demon (Meffystiflethese) than saviour.

(Oh yeah, subscribe here The Blue By You to a free newsletter, articles, ‘could you not have kept it shorter' streams-of-consciousness about all things Everton. If that sounds like your sort of thing, obviously. Not forcing you. There's no ‘They Live' style subliminal messaging going on here. Sooner you do, sooner I can stop pimping myself and feeling like I might get a smack on the wrist for it.)

Dale Self
38 Posted 03/05/2023 at 16:29:55
Steve, ‘Lardiola’ is a fucking laugh. And then I saw John’s ‘They Live’ reference. I sometimes rue the football but TW always comes through.
John Raftery
39 Posted 03/05/2023 at 16:36:01
Steve (35),

If only more of our recent managers had delivered a 37% win rate; better still, the 46% achieved by Ancelotti.

Dave Abrahams
40 Posted 03/05/2023 at 16:39:48
Well Leeds United could possibly be fools for hiring Allardyce but he would be a bigger fool if he didn't take the job: £2.5M if he keeps them up, alledgelly, plus a fee for managing them for four games, definitely a win win for him.

Hopefully he finishes up with just wages but no bonus.

Robert Tressell
41 Posted 03/05/2023 at 16:53:37
Always good to hear your views, Andrew.

As you say, those 4 or 5 clever additions have played a big part in Newcastle's resurgence under Howe. You might even describe that as overcoming bad recruitment through good recruitment.

Anyway, I'll stick to my guns that it's possible to recruit well strategically by shopping for particular demographics of players in particular markets. You're welcome to disagree.

Andrew Keatley
42 Posted 03/05/2023 at 17:10:41
Robert (41),

I am not countering your argument that it's “possible to recruit well strategically by shopping for particular demographics of players in particular markets.” It is absolutely possible. But not every club can manage it.

It's a bit like fruit machines: they cannot all pay out all of the time for everyone. Some people have developed methods to improve their chances – namely when a machine is ready to pay out – but ultimately there is no foolproof hack.

I am also not contesting whether our recruitment has been well below par. It has. The numbers reflect it, performances reflect it, and our current predicament reflects it. But we get nothing from waving our fists in the air and cursing the misspent millions.

At some point we need to find those six or seven players who can be in the team for next season, and the four or five we might be able to identify who could be added in to create a more cohesive and coherent first XI. We can't keep looking back and complaining.

John Keating
43 Posted 03/05/2023 at 17:21:16
Realistically both us and Leeds have little chance of beating City.

They are still above us and while some may slag off Allardyce he's still capable of setting up not to lose his other games. I still think Forest have a good run in and can see them getting out of this.

Psychologically being in the bottom 3 is a nightmare for this team.

Robert Tressell
44 Posted 03/05/2023 at 17:37:03
We need to all stop looking back and complaining? Really, Andrew?

I can just imagine you wandering round Goodison with that written on a sandwich board like Bruce Willis in Die Hard 3.

Kim Vivian
45 Posted 03/05/2023 at 17:55:30
I've said elsewhere – I think and I'm hoping it's too late for Allardyce to be able to do anything with Leeds besides give them a kick up the arse.

That might be all they need but I still fancy them to go down with Southampton and Leicester (who I'd prefer to remain up, actually, with Forest dropping).

Peter Carpenter
46 Posted 03/05/2023 at 18:14:20
Is there time for Leeds to sack Allardyce and appoint again? What is the record number of managers employed by one club in a single season?
Andrew Ellams
47 Posted 03/05/2023 at 18:22:03
Peter, there are 4 Premier League clubs on their 3rd manager of the season. That must be close to a record.
Tony Everan
48 Posted 03/05/2023 at 18:39:09
I'll predict he loses all four games, walks away with half a million, says he was hired too late, and he wasn't given enough time to work his legendary magic.

In other words: “I'm not tarnished and available to any rotten club in January.”

Peter Carpenter
49 Posted 03/05/2023 at 18:45:35
Haha, check out his press conference – hilarious:

"There's nobody ahead of me in football terms. Not Pep, not Klopp, not Arteta."

Dennis Stevens
50 Posted 03/05/2023 at 18:47:27
It's true, Peter – he's probably managed more clubs than those three put together! What do they know?!
Peter Carpenter
51 Posted 03/05/2023 at 18:53:38
You can't fault him, he entertains. Pity his teams don't.
Dennis Stevens
52 Posted 03/05/2023 at 18:56:16
Aye, Peter - he knows full well that gobshites have a higher profile!
Mark Taylor
53 Posted 03/05/2023 at 19:35:11
Andrew @42,

I'd love to stop looking back and complaining about our previous recruitment – and I could, if it wasn't for the fact that it is precisely that poor recruitment which has put us at risk of losing points because of being outside Premier League P&S rules, and the consequent inability to execute the type of recruitment to reverse our position that we need going forward.

Maybe we could ask the Premier League to stop looking back? That might save us...

Danny O’Neill
54 Posted 03/05/2023 at 19:49:03
Right now, I can't look back or I would be in 1985.

Right now, I can only look forward. Monday and Brighton.

That is what matters.

Andrew Keatley
55 Posted 03/05/2023 at 20:16:24
Robert (44),

“We need to all stop looking back and complaining? Really Andrew?”

Ummm… I was making that point about recruitment. There's plenty to complain about, much of it very relevant and current and I'd be likely to be one of the loudest voices on those fronts… but going on and on about how rubbish our recruitment has become an easy stick to beat the club with, and I personally don't think it's that constructive right now.

I just think it'd be helpful if the club and the matchday crowd were filled with the Danny O'Neills of this world as opposed to individuals who think we're doomed because of recruitment decisions primarily made 4 or 5 seasons ago. It is the now that matters, and the 4 games left to play.

John McFarlane Snr
56 Posted 03/05/2023 at 20:19:44
Hi Danny [54] I trust you and Tony Abrahams when you both say that you played at a higher level than Sunday League Football, and I would ask you if you misplaced a pass or missed a goal scoring chance.

I'm posing that question because there are some people who vilify Alex Iwobi and Michael Keane who both bear the brunt of criticism of some who at the best, have achieved Sunday League heights.

I'll show you something at the next get-together that only family members have seen.

Pete Neilson
57 Posted 03/05/2023 at 20:49:21
Bit difficult for him to claim the credit for Leeds last win.
Peter Carpenter
58 Posted 03/05/2023 at 20:54:19
It won't stop him, Pete.
Danny O’Neill
59 Posted 03/05/2023 at 21:02:26
You make a very good and valid point, John Senior.

I was angry at Iwobi at half time on Monday. Michael Keane worries mean continuously. It's just his concentration. He is a good footballer.

But to your point, football is a game of mistakes as much as it is one of moments of brilliance. As I used to say to the young players I coached, decision-making is probably one of the most important attributes a player can have. But I don't think that can be coached. It is instinctive.

Let's be honest about where we are. Iwobi is far from perfect. He makes mistakes because he is trying to make things happen. But he is trying to make things happen.

I played at a very good standard, John, made many a misplaced pass, but you were never getting a goal out of me!

See you at the next gathering and I look forward to what you will reveal!

Tony McNulty
60 Posted 03/05/2023 at 21:13:50
Christy (#32)

Regarding Lardicio's two wonderful acquisitions (Tosun and Walcott), Alan Sugar makes an interesting point in his book:

"Managers cannot be trusted to do a good deal since they are just interested in quick fixes."

Quick fixes is exactly what Allardyce tried to do. Given his head as the new manager, he was allowed to pay way, way over the odds for a couple of players who weren't worth 20% of their total fees.

Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 03/05/2023 at 21:28:42
Even if he probably had nothing to do with also giving them absolutely extortionate wages, Tony!

The mismanagement of Everton has been totally unprofessional and absolutely ridiculous. A club without reason, and at best, a plan that was all about making it up as they go along.

Do you think it's just the players? Now you can fuck off as well…

Peter Carpenter
62 Posted 03/05/2023 at 21:39:03
A Leeds fan described the appointment as 'like going from Michelangelo to graffiti.'
I assume he meant Bielsa as Michelangelo.
Tony Abrahams
63 Posted 03/05/2023 at 21:43:46
It would be bad enough getting relegated, but I can imagine it’ll be a lot worse if you’ve got big fat chewy gob, shaking his big fat head in the dugout.
Tony McNulty
64 Posted 03/05/2023 at 21:43:55
Tony (#61),

There's an old saw from the behavioural sciences from some thirty years ago called the "boiled frog syndrome." It's such a tired old cliche, it's hardly mentioned now. However, it does apply to many of us in terms of our experience with Everton.

Basically, if you drop a live frog in boiling water, it jumps out immediately. However, if you drop the frog into cold water, and then start heating the water gradually, the frog never jumps out: it simply sits there and little by little gets heated to death.

Progressively, as blow after blow has hit us, year upon year, we have sat there like the frog, not noticing how dangerous things have become for the club. This season, more and more of us have begun checking the temperature.

John McFarlane Snr
65 Posted 03/05/2023 at 21:44:32
Hi again, Danny [59],

Experience has enabled me to appreciate the ups and downs of a football game, show me a goal and I'll tell you where it could have been prevented. The football fan will accept anything that opponents provide, but their own players are not allowed to make mistakes.

I always use the example of a 20-yard shot that leaves the opponents goalkeeper stranded, the general opinion of the home fan is "No goalie in the world could have saved that!" But if the same thing happens at the other end of the pitch, the "The keeper was too far off his line," or "The centre-half should have closed the scorer down." The same goal but viewed differently.

Tony Abrahams
66 Posted 03/05/2023 at 21:51:56
My thoughts immediately went towards Bill Kenwright, after reading that Tony, because we should have pushed the bastard into boiling water in 1999!

Poor William has made an absolute fortune but he's not going to be able to take it with him and his legacy now resembles the heated frog!

Dale Self
67 Posted 03/05/2023 at 21:57:51
Good stuff, Tony McNulty @60. That is a good metaphor for the times we live in.
Tony McNulty
68 Posted 03/05/2023 at 21:59:30

Unfortunately it may be the club and ourselves that have turned into the frog.

Four games left to jump out.

Colin Glassar
69 Posted 03/05/2023 at 21:59:41
Fat Sam is a mercenary. He’s only gone to Leeds to finance his eating habit.
Tony Abrahams
70 Posted 03/05/2023 at 22:07:52
I've just come back from putting the kettle on to read that, Tony!

I agree with Dale because I also thought it was a great analogy, unfortunately mate, but Kenwright's bloated face does remind me of an odious toad. Hopefully we come through unscathed because at least that man has had some good times.

Tony Everan
71 Posted 03/05/2023 at 22:32:54
Good job we’ve hired a handsome prince in Sean Dyche to kiss the frog, and turn us into football royalty again.

Will Mabon
72 Posted 03/05/2023 at 22:40:19
Tony @ 64,

I can tell from your post, certain areas of the internet and discussion that you don't inhabit... for that frog thing is very much alive and well on a grand scale.

Eric Myles
73 Posted 04/05/2023 at 05:22:23
Peter #57, didn't he claim the win for us when he was sat in the stands while Unsworth was in the dugout?
Steve Shave
74 Posted 04/05/2023 at 07:25:42
The most narcissistic and arrogant shithead in football. I laughed out loud when he got the push from England. His appointment was a stain on our club. I have got behind every manager we've had under the Moshiri tenure, except Sam.

You can argue all you like about his effectiveness etc but the sheer arrogance of him was staggering. Who remembers how he would slyly goad the Everton fans in his pressers? I hope he fails spectacularly.

Robert @22, I concur, that money should have been spent backing Silva after that strong finish to the season. Big mistake off the back of many other big mistakes.

Jerome Shields
75 Posted 04/05/2023 at 07:33:05
Big Sam will play five at the back. five across the middle and one up top. Route oOne hoping for knock downs, freekicks, corners. He will have a 2-year contract and will start looking for a extension next year no matter what League they are in.

The Leeds board have made one big mistake getting rid of Bielsa. They would have been safe now if he was manager. The Leeds fans after the free flowing football are going to hate Big Sam.

Eddie Dunn
76 Posted 04/05/2023 at 07:49:58
I watched Leeds play Bournemouth and apart from conceding goals they looked very handy going forward and played with their usual vigour.

I fear that Sam will galvanise that midfield and defence. With those two tricky wingers, they can play on the break. I hope the guy hasn't got enough time to improve them, but they had been my main hope of us sneaking out of the shit.

Tony Abrahams
77 Posted 04/05/2023 at 07:58:23
With regards football, I think when you improve some things, you sometimes lose a little bit from the things you are already good at?

Four games to tighten a defence, whilst still getting the team to attack. I’d be surprised if this is attainable playing with attacking wingers?

Shane Corcoran
78 Posted 04/05/2023 at 08:08:07
Jerome, if Allardyce plays with no keeper, as you suggest, and keeps Leeds up, then he will have outPeped Pep.
Mark Murphy
79 Posted 04/05/2023 at 08:13:05
I seem to remember Leeds fans piling on us when we sacked Allardyce as being deluded with our Big Club mentality.
I wonder how they feel now?
Ps - expect more "I told you so" texts if Leeds win one and pull clear of us...
Derek Thomas
80 Posted 04/05/2023 at 08:14:24
Jerome @ 75; 2 banks of 5 is right. Sadly, all he has to do is keep their GD better than ours...and we both have to play a City team with a goal machine who can see the Title finishing post in the final run in like Red Rum reeling in Crisp to win the National.

We have to make sure we're not Crisp.

Jerome Shields
81 Posted 04/05/2023 at 09:19:08
Shane #76

Early in the morning, five at the back, four across the middle and one up top, but more harry than attack.

The general idea is to slow the game down, play as boring as possible and even more boring if necessary . Attacks limited to high balls, set pieces. This all leads towards Derek @80's two banks of five. Just frustrate the hell out of everybody. Big Sam is there for the money: fuck the football and young players.

Big Sam at Everton played the players that Moshiri spent the money on and then backed the bright ideas of Tosun and Walcott from those responsible for Recruitment..

Big Sam is there solely to enrich himself. His contract, his system, and yes Sir, three bags full for the Owner every time will be the way he will play it. A short-term plan ending in animosity all round and a big pay-out to his Dubai Bank Account.

Jerome Shields
82 Posted 04/05/2023 at 10:03:48
Derck #80,

It will be down to the last game, but Nottingham Forest or Leicester could still slip up. Dyche will stick to the same formula, with Patterson and Seamus. Both Coady and Mina must not have the right attitude, so we are stuck with Keane and his wavering confidence.

I think Everton will survive, but the Summer is going to be a saga of unbelievable proportions with the Independent Commission formation that our Chief Executive Officer supported, Moshiri and his offshore attempt to package Everton as a gift, and a £750million Stadium rising.

Dave Abrahams
83 Posted 04/05/2023 at 12:24:34
Danny (59),

What did you tell the lads you coached who made the same mistakes over and over again?

They were young lads so you might have given them a bit of leeway, but what do you say to a professional footballer who has gone through an apprenticeship and has been a professional for eight or nine years, maybe more, and is still making those mistakes repeatedly?

Dave Abrahams
84 Posted 04/05/2023 at 12:27:22
I got told last night that Allardyce is taking Robbie Kean and Karl Robinson with him to Leeds as his coaches and he wanted to take Sammie Lee as well but Sammie is on jury duty at the moment.

True story.

Mick O'Malley
85 Posted 04/05/2023 at 12:29:43
I'm delighted Allardyce was shown the door at the end of the season. This cheeky bastard made out that he kept us up; he didn't. We were 13th when he took over and we finished 8th. We were never even remotely in danger of going down.

He tried to take the credit for the West Ham result when we won 4-0 when in reality it was Unsworth's final game. When we won games, it was because of him; when we lost, it had nothing to do with him. We were bottom of the table for shots on goal, bottom for possession, bottom for everything.

I can't stand the greedy money-grabbing crook. I was embarrassed when he and Benitez were our managers. As for his “I'm on a par with Klopp, Pep and Arteta“ … Jesus wept – he can't be serious – I'm sure Man City fans are clamouring for Allardyce to take over when Pep moves on.

A divisive character who left us with an injury-prone striker who cost us the best part of £30 million and contributed about a dozen goals in 4 years on £100 grand a week and an injury-prone Walcott who scored about the same amount while pocketing a large salary.

Steve @74, I agree with every word.

Raymond Fox
86 Posted 04/05/2023 at 13:17:43
I see there's plenty following the trend to rubbish Allardyce.

I don't get it really. Yes, he got caught with that bung business which meant him massaging a minor rule, but even though the FA had to sack him, it was not exactly a hanging offence for me.

He likes a £1 note but who doesn't? If you keep getting offered positions (including the England job) which pay millions, would you refuse?

In general, he's done okay werever he's managed and has had to do the best he could with players who were not the cream of the crop.

His appointment at Leeds is not good news for us in my opinion.

Barry Rathbone
87 Posted 04/05/2023 at 13:54:27
Ray @87,

I agree, but the issue here is Sam was run out of town by a section of the social media fanbase. Our perilous descent since suggests they were wrong but such words must never be spoken.

Attacking him is just a scurrilous way of avoiding the reality of Allardyce being the only manager to deliver. The intolerance of these fans is a huge part of the present problems.

Martin Mason
88 Posted 04/05/2023 at 14:06:40

We do have to recognise that our fans are also partly to blame for this disaster or different fans for different problems?

Wouldn't t be nice to have a body of people that represents the majority of the fans and can speak for them at any level.

Dave Abrahams
89 Posted 04/05/2023 at 14:06:42
Barry (88),

“The intolerance of these fans is a huge part of the present problems.”

I think you could also say that the tolerance of these fans towards The Chairman in charge is a bigger part of these present problems.

John Williams
90 Posted 04/05/2023 at 14:11:35
If you want to accept a man like Allardyce who pocketed
far more bungs than when he had the England job, okay.
But look at his record, when the above caught up with him at
Bolton, departed very quickly as did the chairman.

Allardyce was tied up with the Shepherd Agencies along with Dalgleish, players bought from the North East, from Newcastle, Middlesborough into Liverpool FC and then found their way to West Ham and guess who was the manager there, yes Big Sam. Money for old rope.

Lyndon Lloyd
91 Posted 04/05/2023 at 14:15:22
"Attacking him is just a scurrilous way of avoiding the reality of Allardyce being the only manager to deliver."

What exactly did he deliver, Barry? Marco Silva delivered an 8th-place finish but at least did it without also delivering statistically the worst attacking metrics in the Premier League.

Arguing that we should have kept Allardyce because the subsequent hires didn't work out (which is a very nuanced issue anyway given the financial grief we have gotten into in the Moshiri years) ignores how dreadful the football was under him.

We should never have hired Allardyce in the first place. You could argue he would have been a more justifiable appointment this season than back then.

Steve Brown
92 Posted 04/05/2023 at 14:21:12
Kevin, 36.

Ancelotti finished 10 points ahead of Lardiola’s tally. That’s where he finished.

Steve Brown
93 Posted 04/05/2023 at 14:25:40
Peter @ 46, Lardiola is definitely the biggest figure in football.

Mark Murphy
94 Posted 04/05/2023 at 14:29:09
Ahh - The old Boiling Frog story.

You been watching The Diplomat then, Tony??


Tony McNulty
95 Posted 04/05/2023 at 14:52:17
Hi Mark,

Haven't a clue what "The Diplomat" is.

I feel a bit like that History Professor who was once asked if he believed in God. "Sorry, not my period," he answered.

Since you ask, I first came across the Boiled Frog Syndrome when I was working in the States. It was cited in a book by Noel Tichy who was working at the time with Jack Welch in GE. The Syndrome used to be referenced quite a bit in the 90s when senior management within firms were trying to get staff to embrace change against a background of declining business performance.

Recently I've begun thinking that Everton would be an absolutely brilliant business school case study, a modern exemplar of what not to do. It could be called, "What would Everton do? A study in failure, 1990-2023"

Kevin Molloy
96 Posted 04/05/2023 at 15:02:13
Nobody cares about points, Steve. It's where you finish in relation to your peers which is what is significant.

How many points did we get in 1987?

Neither do I.… Where did we finish?

Dennis Stevens
97 Posted 04/05/2023 at 15:05:22
We paid Allardyce a lot of money to do what Unsworth was already doing.

Despite Allardyce having far more experience, much more time to work with the players, and a transfer window to boost the squad, he merely achieved the same points per league match that Unsworth had as caretaker.

Rennie Smith
98 Posted 04/05/2023 at 15:08:38
The only thing he delivered was fish 'n chips twice for himself and Spammy Lee. He goes in the "embarrassing they were ever associated with our once-great club" bucket along with Benitez.

On top of the wonga he'll be scraping out of Leeds, it's perfect for him. If they don't stay up, it's not his fault, came in too late, previous managers blah blah, if they stay up he claims to be a footballing genius once more. May I remind everyone he was the genius that spent £27M on Cenk Tosun, with 11 goals in 5 years returned.

And as for being up there with Pep, Klopp & Arteta, talk about delusional. I bet they were having a right old chuckle about that one. If that's the case why wasn't he offered the Man Utd, Chelsa or Spurs job?

I can't stand the charlatan.

Danny O’Neill
99 Posted 04/05/2023 at 15:22:06
I despise that Allardyce was our manager. I try to forget about it.

I could have kept us up and finished 8th that season. For him to come in, claim 3 points from the Main Stand before he actually took to the dugout, tells you a lot about the arrogance of the man.

The corrupt anti-football charlatan willing to take a bung and caught out has long been found out.

Okay, for the sake of balance, he done a very good job at Bolton. But we are not Bolton. So don't talk to us like we are Bolton supporters.

His trademark is saving clubs from the drop. To quote what some have done, a dinosaur of a breed of English managers who thrive on failure. At least that dinosaur Ancelotti is still competing for trophies at the highest level.

Allardyce. I am shaking my head.

Anyway, Allardyce in not our manager. I wish he never had been. I don't care what he does. I just care about Everton staying up.

Steve Brown
100 Posted 04/05/2023 at 15:39:23
I know you don't care about points or win percentages, Kevin, as they contradict your claim that Allardyce did a better job than Ancelotti at Everton.

Comedy gold, that one, Kevin. Your post should have come with a laughter track.

Steve Brown
101 Posted 04/05/2023 at 15:41:41
And we got 87 points in 1987.
Tony Abrahams
102 Posted 04/05/2023 at 15:44:58
We were very unfortunate to lose to Liverpool in the cup at Anfield, and were possibly the more dangerous side when Lookman replaced Rooney, and after this change Sigurdsson was brought inside so Lookman could play on the wing.

Lookman was very good, Sigurdsson scored a very good goal, and Everton suddenly had a lot more attacking threat, with only a mistake from Pickford allowing Van Dijk to snatch it right at the end.

I was obviously gutted losing at Anfield but at least I thought I'd seen some green shoots regarding the way we played. Fast forward to the next league game, Sigurdsson was back on the wing, Lookman wasn't even on the bench, and we introduced Cenk Tosun, who started his Everton career like he was going to continue his Everton career, and Spurs put five past us at Wembley.

Allardyce only delivered anti-football, well that's my opinion anyway, and think I am definitely someone who is prepared to give any Everton manager a chance until I see something that makes me think otherwise.

Stand and Deliver – haha, I can still remember that song from when I was a little kid!

Kieran Kinsella
103 Posted 04/05/2023 at 15:53:09
I think to Barry's point, we might as well have kept Sam if we'd been run properly as a boring safe pair of hands given no money to spend until we got the new stadium.

But with this supposed war chest, no-one wanted him spending the money Silva did to turn out Wimbledon football. Had we known we had no money (within FFP), he would've been more palatable.

Kieran Kinsella
104 Posted 04/05/2023 at 16:04:14
John @56,

If you extrapolate on your point, then there would be no need for ToffeeWeb as no one here has played at the level of Iwobi. But also, your logic would suggest that Matt Le Tissier, Souness, and so on should be absolute geniuses of punditry.

We have theatre critics who aren't at the level of Richard Burton or Richard Harris but if they show up and watch them in action and they're half drunk fluffing their lines, nobody says "You can't critique them, theatre critic, as you're not Marlon Brando."

None of us are movie stars but, if we go and see Hulk Hogan in Mr Nanny, we can generally concur he is a crap actor and it is a crap film because we have a point of reference in the shape of good actors we have seen in good films.

Likewise, no one looks at Keane or Iwobi in isolation we have reference points of other players doing the same job but much more effectively.

John McFarlane Snr
105 Posted 04/05/2023 at 16:43:44
Hi Kieran [105],

Tthere is nothing wrong with criticism, it's the way that it's expressed. The point I was making was the manner in which the criticism is delivered. I still maintain that anyone who plays football 'at any level' is prone to make mistakes, and that's why, although I might be disappointed, I don't belittle any player.

I appreciate that we all want our team to be successful but some seem to be expecting perfection. I have been mocked on this site for saying that players are not machines that can be programmed, and I stick to my beliefs.

Will Mabon
106 Posted 04/05/2023 at 17:38:39
Raymond, I'm interested but I don't want to hear it...
Kevin Naylor
107 Posted 04/05/2023 at 18:01:43
Alladyce the only Everton manager (from memory) to make a substitution that got booed on.....Schneiderlin.
Brian Hennessy
108 Posted 04/05/2023 at 18:35:34
I have come to the conclusion that some of Allardyce's arrogance comes from the fact that, as a manager, he has won a league in Europe that Pep, Klopp & Co have failed to win and are unlikely to manage to win in the future.

That League of Ireland First Division (second tier) title that he guided Limerick FC to in 1992 has really gone to his head!

Kieran Kinsella
109 Posted 05/05/2023 at 02:56:16
John 105

Fair enough and to be clear I’m not knocking Tony or Danny. Tony came through the same Forest youth group as Gary Crosby and many others so he must have been pretty damn good. I always like his insights. And Danny also has good insights too.

Steve Brown
110 Posted 05/05/2023 at 03:02:42
Jock Stein, Bill Shankley, Harry Catterick, Matt Busby, Bob Paisley, Brian Clough, Howard, Kendall, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Sam Allayrdce.

Sorry, mistake there! Wrong list.

Mike Walker, Steve Wigley, Alan Pardew, Phil Brown, Craig Shakespeare, Sammy Lee, Steve McLaren, Ian Dowie, Sam Allardyce,

Ernie Baywood
111 Posted 05/05/2023 at 12:33:36
I don't blame Allardyce for the signings of Tosun and Walcott. He never signed the cheques or the contracts. I blame Everton for repeatedly signing that type of player. And that manager.

Coaches are contracted for just a few years. And their decision making is aimed at getting through the next few months. Given everyone knows that, the club is at fault for these signings.

I've no doubt he's got value as a coach. He's experienced, he knows the fundamentals, and he can organise a back room team. But this nonsense around him being innovative and capable of more than he's shown is ridiculous. Using basic stats isn't innovative - it's percentage football. It goes back to about the 50s and every single team in the league is using stats of some kind nowadays. They're just using them in a more nuanced way than Sam did.

There's a reason his win rate is around a third. He doesn't coach very good teams. And no team looking to win things would even consider him because winners don't play those crap tactics.

He would have slowly reduced the quality in our team. He would edged us down the league. And he would have walked afterwards, claiming he could have done more if only he had better resources.

The thing is, the bloke is arrogant enough to truly believe he can have an impact at Leeds. And, incredibly, that arrogance might just put some belief into them. They're going to relish being the pantomime villains. Backs to the wall and a bit of pace on the break. Offer nothing until you win a free kick anywhere on the pitch.

It might work. And he'll get his money anyway.

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