Calvert-Lewin and Patterson to miss Bournemouth clash

23/05/2023 241comments  |  Jump to last

Dominic Calvert-Lewin is almost certain to be ruled out of the final game of the season along with Nathan Patterson after scans confirmed that both sustained serious enough hamstring injuries at Wolves to preclude their participation against Bournemouth on Sunday.

Patterson was forced off with his latest injury with less than half an hour gone of the 1-1 draw at Molineux and Calvert-Lewin followed him 15 minutes later, with Sean Dyche having to reshuffle a line-up already short on firepower up front and shorn of all of its other senior full-backs.

Seamus Coleman and Ruben Vinagre had already been ruled out for the remainder of the campaign due to injury and Vitalii Mykolenko missed a second game in succession with a thigh problem, leaving the manager to deploy Dwight McNeil as an emergency left-back from the start and throw Michael Keane on at right-back when Patterson was withdrawn.

Mykolenko at least returned to light training today as he bids to be fit for the weekend but sources at the club suggest that while Calvert-Lewin and Patterson will be given every chance to prove they can be involved in some capacity, the fear is that their respective injuries will need some time to recover.

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The timeline for Calvert-Lewin, who has battled a succession of injuries since tearing a quad muscle in August 2021, has been put in terms of weeks rather than days which means that the Blues will have to prepare for the visit of the Cherries without arguably their most important player.

In addition, there have been suggestions that Amadou Onana came off in the second half against Wolves due to a recurrence of his recent groin issue but this has not been confirmed.


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Frank Crewe
1 Posted 23/05/2023 at 14:17:26
Another hamstring injury. Enough is enough. Calvert-Lewin has become nothing more than a wage-sucking liability. Just too much drama.

Whether we stay up or not, he has to go because he's just too fragile for Premier League football. Constantly sweating on whether he will make it through the next game. It's just ridiculous. Face facts. He's simply not up to the task.

Mark Ryan
2 Posted 23/05/2023 at 14:21:58
Give Simms his chance? Not Dyche's way. He'll play Maupay because we paid £15 million for him. Dyche will once again think to himself "On the law of averages, Neal has to score at some point."

Breaking news: "He won't score!"

I feel sorry for Calvert-Lewin, must be gutted. Both he and Patterson are big losses. Doucoure, Iwobi or Gray will need to get their scoring boots on because our striker is poor.

Will Mabon
3 Posted 23/05/2023 at 14:22:47
This is discouraging news.

The injury situation at this club has been terrible for too long, for too many varied players. It's beyond bad luck.

Brian Harrison
4 Posted 23/05/2023 at 14:39:38
I doubt this news will surprise anybody. When both went off before half-time, I didn't think either would be fit for Sunday.

I see that it's being reported that Mykolenko has started light training today. I think him playing, which would release McNeil to play in his more natural attacking role, will be very important.

Dyche has been left in an awful predicament because Lampard has left us bereft of any strikers. Calvert-Lewin missed most of last season so, when we had to sell Richarlison, it was key we brought in a couple of forwards. Lampard instead chose to spend what money we had on 4 midfield players and a full-back who hasn't had more than 15 minutes on the pitch.

So, because Calvert-Lewin has again fallen foul to hamstring problems, Dyche either picks Simms, who Lampard sent on loan, or Maupay, who Lampard thought was a good replacement for Richarlison.

Dyche took over with us 2nd bottom and we are now 4th from bottom with a 2-point advantage. Not brilliant but if we hadn't brought him in I think we would be contemplating life in the Championship.

Dale Self
5 Posted 23/05/2023 at 14:45:09
Okay, we will do it without Calvert-Lewin. Gray early and Simms in the 2nd half. Play 4 across the back with McNeil and Iwobi deep in cover. Cherries will come forward so let them. It's all very exciting...
Barry Rathbone
6 Posted 23/05/2023 at 14:45:27
We should be safe being 2 points clear and a home game against a lesser light with nothing to play for… but a last-day improbable miracle usually saves one club.

The script is being written for it to be Leicester on goal difference.

Marc Hints
7 Posted 23/05/2023 at 14:47:34
Five weeks out is the latest on Twitter for Calvert-Lewin.
Andrew Ellams
8 Posted 23/05/2023 at 14:48:18
Dale. 4 across the back is going to be tough with no fit full backs. Expect a back 3 with McNeil and Iwobi playing as wing backs.
Dave Abrahams
9 Posted 23/05/2023 at 14:48:25
Barry (6), Who is writing the script? It’s not you is it?
Ajay Gopal
10 Posted 23/05/2023 at 14:53:50
From the relegation-escaping win over Crystal Palace last season, we are missing:


And perhaps, Mykolenko. In addition, we don't have our back up full backs also (Patterson, Godfrey).

Whatever you say about them, these guys are battlers. Who are the leaders on the pitch now? Maybe Mina, Tarks and Pickford?

I fully expect Dyche to revert to a 3-5-2:

Back 3 of Tarkowski, Mina, Keane with McNeil and Iwobi played as wing-backs.

Gana, Onana and Garner in midfield.

Doucoure would be pushed up to play alongside Gray to provide the physicality.

While this is a solid formation, I don't like that it would blunt our only reliable goal threat in McNeil. Tough decisions for Dyche - I don't envy him.

Duncan McDine
11 Posted 23/05/2023 at 14:59:56
Shit on it. I'd be feeling a lot more confident if Calvert-Lewin was fit. We just don't have anything at all going forward without him in the team.
Steve Mink
12 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:09:20
Like Barry, the scenario I can't shift from my head is Everton pluck (another) last-gasp draw from the jaws of defeat but Leicester win and stay up on goal difference.
John Ballinger
13 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:11:54
I think he should play 3/5 at the back making use of Coady who wasn't available against his parent club.

The formation looked okay-ish for a while at the start of the 2nd half of the Man City game. So 3 centre-backs: Mina, Tarkowski, and Coady.

Barry Rathbone
14 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:12:08
Dave @9,

I am a messenger – not a creator of precedent.

Not everyone feels compelled to ignore such facts, no matter how indignant the echo chamber.

Roger Helm
15 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:12:48
With Leicester home to West Ham reserves, probably, and a better goal difference, this is a must-win game as a draw will not be enough. How many of those have we fluffed?

Still, hopefully an atmosphere at Goodison Park as it was this time last year will help us get over the line. I can see Keane playing centre-forward for the last 20 minutes, it may be that desperate.

Dale Self
16 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:19:34
Andrew @8,

We might need 3 points more than a back 3. Okay, not clever, it's early, but the theory is cover the holes (at left-back and right-back) without reducing our offence going forward.

The counter is the big exposure admittedly but some controlled possession is possible and we should max that to reduce pressure on our back line. No fullbacks barreling forward so Iwobi and McNeil have to find forward space not go wide and backpass. Maybe Doucoure comes deep to help Garner or Onana but Gana protects.

Early thoughts. Robert or Sam will post something more sensible.

Robert Tressell
17 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:21:13
I agree with Ajay on the 3-5-3 formation.

We know we just don't have the personnel now for a back 4 because we have no full-backs. So it has to be a back 3.

Normally that doesn't work so well for us but the shape looked okay at the end of the Man City game, albeit they'd taken their foot off the gas. And Keane, Mina and Tarkowski on the pitch together pose a serious threat at set-pieces – possibly our likeliest source of a goal. McNeil and Iwobi have to play as wing-backs. There's no other option.

However, I'd be reluctant to break up the trio of Doucoure, Gueye and Garner in midfield. Onana just isn't contributing and seems to disrupt Doucoure's game too. So I'd leave him out.

Which leaves us with the two forward spots to fill from Gray, Maupay and Simms. Of this, I'd probably go Maupay and Gray up top together because, whilst I've been rooting for Simms for years, I don't think he's a starter. But he could be a very useful sub later in the game.

Andy Crooks
18 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:22:03
Got to say, Barry, that we have twice been examples of your theory.

However, I will push it to the back of my mind until 3:15 am Sunday, at which time it can join the other morbid thoughts that will keep me wide awake!

Christopher Timmins
19 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:22:16
I will be very surprised if Moyes does not play a reasonably strong team on Sunday as the final of the Europa Conference League is not until 7 June. He will want to maintain the recent momentum.

He made 6 changes on Sunday, three days after their semi-final, and they looked pretty good to me in the second half.

Andrew Ellams
20 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:25:20
Robert, 353 sounds great but I don't think we'd get away with playing that extra man.
Dave Abrahams
21 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:30:11
Barry (14),

I listened and took your message in but who sent you on the message?

Pete Clarke
22 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:34:44
Two early goals for us and it then becomes a friendly.

Michael Keane to get a brace and save us from relegation and also the money on another striker for next season.

West Ham to beat Leicester and Leeds to beat Spurs.

I'm off to the bookies in the morning.

Colin Glassar
23 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:40:18
Our physios have been traditionally pathetic when it comes to a player's recovery time. Player has a knock – player out for weeks on end. Other clubs' players go off in “agony” and are back playing the next game.

This has been going on for years now. It's about time some of them were told to man up and suffer an hour or so for the cause. Look at Gomes (not a great example, I know) but he suffered a terrible injury but was back within a few weeks. Why? Because he wanted to and forced himself to do so.

If we survive this campaign I'd love to get rid of 90% of this squad.

Christopher, has Moyes discovered time travel?

Raymond Fox
24 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:48:11
What a mess, no full-backs and only a novice who has pretensions to be a centre-forward in place of Calvert-Lewin.
What about putting Onana up front. We are in the last chance saloon but maybe that's getting too desperate.

I'm not liking this game one little bit. Yes, the gang up top have messed up in a big way but we have not had much good fortune. Missing the Icelandic fella has been a big loss that could end up being the difference.

The relegation odds have stayed the same up to now, I thought this news might have altered them.

Andrew Ellams
25 Posted 23/05/2023 at 15:54:48
Raymond, one way or another, the Icelandic fella would have shipped out last summer when his contract ended.
Martin Farrington
26 Posted 23/05/2023 at 16:03:06
I agree with Frank @1.

I would now like to think that, due to his horrendous injury problems, Calvert-Lewin has made his last bow.

Whatever happens on Sunday, there are only 3 players I would keep as first-teamers going forward: My player of our woeful season, Jordan Pickford, plus James Garner and Dwight McNeil.

I would keep the following, on reduced wages (if they don't like it, they can leave). As bench warming squad players:-
Onana, Gueye, Iwobi, Gray, Patterson.

The rest, get rid… although easier said than done.

Get rid of our U21s, all of whom have failed to muster a start in the worst team in living memory. That includes all the staff involved.

Sweep the club from top to bottom. None are good enough.

The one scout I'd keep is Bryan King who tried and tried to get Everton to sign Haaland when Haaland had months of trials with us but we fucked the prolific goalscorer off (he was smashing them in for us then as well) for Sandro Ramirez.

Anyway, when I woke up from the above dream nothing had changed...

Raymond Fox
27 Posted 23/05/2023 at 16:11:00
You're right, Andrew, I'm getting my seasons mixed up, put it down to a senior moment.
John Keating
28 Posted 23/05/2023 at 16:18:36
Playing Maupay as a lone striker is like playing with 10 men.

If Dyche is going to play him, he has to have someone up with him. Calvert-Lewin is out so it needs Simms

Danny O’Neill
29 Posted 23/05/2023 at 16:39:03
Whoever is representing Everton on Sunday, represent our club with my heart and those of the many that support you regardless of what you put us through.

Fight and believe.

It's ours to take.

Alan McGuffog
30 Posted 23/05/2023 at 16:40:56

I couldn't agree more. Reading the BBC earlier, it said that Ryan Kent was being let go by Rangers. They bought him from the Reds in 2019 for £7 million.

Where do we do our recruiting, for fuck's sake?

Mal van Schaick
31 Posted 23/05/2023 at 16:46:03
Not signing a decent striker in either transfer window is about to come back and haunt us. Really poor by the Board and Director of Football.

Ellis Simms will have to play; we can't play Maupay, he's useless and would be prone to a sending-off. Put McNeil off Simms's shoulder and Doucouré in an advanced centre-midfield role.

Get two early goals and shut the game down in midfield. We must win.

John Raftery
32 Posted 23/05/2023 at 16:47:15
Calvert-Lewin ‘has to go'. Go where?

Colin (23) A hamstring strain is not a knock. There is no way you can run it off. Depending on the severity of the strain, the recovery takes a minimum of two weeks and can be up to three months. Every club has had players breaking down with hamstring and calf strains this season, some more than others.

It seems to me Calvert-Lewin might have a biomechanical gait fault which is causing these recurring hamstring, groin, hip etc issues. Until the medical staff identify the root cause and find a solution, they are very likely to continue.

John Hall
33 Posted 23/05/2023 at 16:56:20
What about Cannon and Dobbin? Their loans must have finished by now. Can't we use them up front? Much better than Moon Pig Maupay
Mark Taylor
34 Posted 23/05/2023 at 16:58:39
Nothing surprising here. I assumed both would be out given their injury history. I'd be inclined to stick with Patterson for another season to see if he can get himself strong but it's clear, to me at least, that we cannot rely on Calvert-Lewin anymore. He's like a biscuit. Sad but true.

I have more hope Mykolenko will be fit, which means we can avoid neutering McNeil but also means we will need a right-back to allow Neil his usual position in left midfield. That has to be Holgate. Yes, I know… but beggars can't be choosers and at least he's played there before.

On the same principle, it has to be Gray up front ahead of Maupay and Simms as first sub if we need him. Gana and Garner in midfield, a toss-up between Doucouré and Onana, probably the former given he has a goal in him.

I think we'll probably do it but not without heart palpitations. I think Leicester will pull out a win. As we all know, things must change; if not, we'll get the same next season, but possibly a worse outcome.

Mark Taylor
35 Posted 23/05/2023 at 17:02:33
John @32,

Sell him. Who knows, he might pass a medical. I'd be the first to admit he is a far better centre-forward than anything else we have but that's no use if he barely ever plays. He might be useful as a back up striker for somebody but we don't have that luxury.

We need to find someone a lot more robust, and as a minimum, they just have to better what we have, which is not a high bar.

John Chambers
36 Posted 23/05/2023 at 17:03:26
John #32,

He never had a problem until Benitez kept playing him with a broken toe. I wonder if compensating for that has caused a cascade of problems, ie, protecting toe causes groin problems, protecting groin causes thigh problem, protecting thigh causes hamstring.

John #33,

I asked this a couple of days ago but apparently once they were loaned in January it meant they couldn't appear for us again this season, regardless of the fact that Derby's and Preston's seasons are over.

Kevin Molloy
37 Posted 23/05/2023 at 17:04:19
One thing we can say for absolute definite: Bournemouth will not be 'on the beach'. They could move up or down 4 places, that's a lot of wonga.

Also, it's an urban myth anyway. Remember when we played Coventry, who had nothing to play for. They still tried to spoil the party big time. The crowd are just going to have to beef it up to the absolute max, and then we hope for the best.

Let's not big up Bournemouth too much, if we beat them, we finish just 3 points behind them. They ain't that great.

This fucking season though. Not bringing in a striker, the sheer ineptitude of it. Once it's done, I don't want any statements from our dickhead owner about how he's learnt important lessons, I just want him to Foxtrot Oscar.

Ralph Basnett
38 Posted 23/05/2023 at 17:05:58
What did Mosh say in January? "We will bring a forward in."

So where the fuck is he?

Ian Bennett
39 Posted 23/05/2023 at 17:11:26
7 Dcl goals in 75 of our last league appearances. 29 appearances in 75 games.

Completely on the board, director of football and managers that this situation has occurred.

Neil Maupay one goal all season in 27 appearances. Its just piss poor, no wonder we are in the shit.

Jay Harris
40 Posted 23/05/2023 at 17:17:06
If Mykolenko is fit, play him in a back 3 with Garner, Omana and Gueye in midfield, Iwobi and McNeil as wingbacks, and Michael Keane up front with Doucouré just behind.

Bring Gray on in the second half as one of the few who knows where the net is. Maupay should be nowhere near this side if we intend to stay up.

Bournemouth are a big side with plenty of goalscoring power and a very leaky defence. Trust Everton to get an injury to our only real forward but needs must.

We must beef midfield up and rely on turnovers (how I hate using these modern idioms).

Joe McMahon
41 Posted 23/05/2023 at 17:17:07
Agreed, no-one is going to buy such an injury-prone striker who has scored 7 goals in 2 seasons.
Kieran Kinsella
42 Posted 23/05/2023 at 17:21:28

To your point: In 2005, Norwich were a few points above the drop zone going into the last match against “on the beach” 13th-placed Fulham. They lost 6-0 and got relegated.

Tony Everan
43 Posted 23/05/2023 at 17:45:37
With Calvert-Lewin out there are no easy answers. But with hopefully Myko back that McNeill will be be back causing problems attacking from the left.

The big dilemma is what to do centrally, Maupay cannot realistically play the role. Simms has been continually overlooked and is not dominant in the air for a big man, Gray has the technical ability but will not win headers, hold up or shield any forward balls.

Then we get to the more left field option, Michael Keane.

If you were an average Bournemouth defender, who would cause you more problems out of those four?

It seems very strange saying it but I would keep the 451 shape and system that the players know , that has been working , and replace DCL with Keane. Using him as the ball winner creating knock-ons and headers that we could feed off. Or passing it wide, or to a running on Doucoure if he has shielded a long ball.

It’s sounds so strange I will happily listen to any better alternatives!

Barry Rathbone
44 Posted 23/05/2023 at 17:51:36
Dave 21

Quoting precedent is simply a recall of history as ably demonstrated by Andy Crooks and his memory of us benefitting twice from such.

If it's to happen and the withdrawal of DCL suggests the stars aligning that way it's likely to be Leicester. Crap as they've been this season in my opinion their "maximum" performance is still miles better than ours.

As with any game involving this crew our hope lies with the opposition doing a Brighton and turning up half arsed. We are too shite to match any opposition up for it and If Bournemouth make a match of it to get a draw, never mind a win, we're sunk. The Foxes will beat the Hammers by between 3 and 6 clear goals.

It all looks pretty grim viewed through the perspective of historical precedent.

Best not do it.

Peter Thistle
45 Posted 23/05/2023 at 17:53:34
DCL isn't much use to be honest. I hope Dyche plays Gray up front, or literally anyone other than Maupay ffs.
Dale Self
46 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:02:31
Myko might be available? Ok ok. I can work with that.
Danny O’Neill
47 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:06:27
They had best show up.

The players I mean.

About 37,000 will be there in person. Many more will be in the streets and bars around Goodison without a ticket.

Some will have walked. Some will have taken the bus. Others the train, be that that locally or nationally. Some will be on long coach journeys. Others watching on the tele either here or at ridiculous hours across the globe. Some may even have flown.

Whoever you are crossing that white line, just remember who you are representing.

Forget the club. Forget the board who have abandoned us and left us on our own.

You are fighting for each other and for the people who have known this club from the cradle and won't stop until the grave.

Win a home game. That's all we are asking.

Then we have the fight in the summer.

I think it's still only Tuesday.

Les Callan
48 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:06:48
A thought……..Would Davie Hickson have ducked out in similar circumstances ?
Bernard Dooley
49 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:09:51
Kieran #42
Going into the final game Norwich were on 33
one point (not a few) above
Palace on 32 and Southampton on 32
two points above West Brom on 31

Albion won, went to 34 and saved themselves
Palace drew but it was not enough
Norwich and Saints lost and went down

That year was pretty similar to this season with Everton in the Norwich position
But we are at home and Norwich were away to Fulham and had not won an away match all season

Stan Grace
50 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:10:47
I'd go with this 4411 line-up if all are fit.
Dave Abrahams
51 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:13:57
Barry (44),Well Barry you are close to convincing me about the perspective of historical precedent now what did you use to to say that Leicester will beat WHU by three to six clear goals!! Barry you’re taking all the excitement out of this relegation fight with your knowledge mate, but very interesting.
Christine Foster
52 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:18:59
Well that was predictable, a hammy strain, even a slight one, is a minimum of two weeks out, so when they went down one knew the season was over for both of them. Moving on to what does or doesn't work, for me there has to be a target man to lead the attack, not Gray, Maupay, but someone McNeil and Iwobi can knock a cross into with some chance of winning it or at the very least disrupting the defence. Simms is a striker and the best option to start with, Keane is not mobile enough to play up front, Maupay just cannot buy a goal..

Which leaves us with what? Untried and unknowns, Coady has the bottle and would be a great disrupter, a left field choice but we have few options and gambling on midgets leading the attack will doom us.

Dyche needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat for this one, a draw is not enough, like it or lump it but we really have no choice but Simms to start. I might add, if Simms does start it will be a career defining game for him, play well and he can show he has what it takes to be in the team, fail to impress and it will never work for him at the club.

Jamie Crowley
53 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:22:35
Coady - Mina -Tark

Iwobe WB - McNeil WB

Garner - Gueye - Onana

Duke - Gray

I'd bring Keane in off the bench up top if we need a goal.

I don't see any other option to be honest. Has to be the 3/5 - 3 - 2 formation.

Barry Rathbone
54 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:28:02
Dave 51

I try and apply logic.

For the City game when I correctly predicted a loss by three I figured out these points of logic.

#1 We can't play football

#2 City can.

#3 City will ease from double figures for upcoming cup finals hence 3 would be enough.

In this case Moyes caution will filter through to whatever team he sends out so they won't bother and get a good hiding. It will be Leicester's easiest game of the year.

Dale Self
55 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:30:35
Stan’s 4411 looks right to me. Not my thing really but just to get on the record. Garner has to give Holgate an outlet. If it isn’t there hoof it on the right side and go get it.
Christine Foster
56 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:34:17
Jamie, ì think the whispers are tha Onana may have a groin problem, so a back three is the most likely if Myko is not fit, if he is, the it is most likely a back four with Holgate on the other berth and Mina with Tarkowski in the middle.. Midfield would then see Gana, Docoure, Iwobi, McNeil and Garner, upfront Simms the target man.
Christine Foster
57 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:38:18
Sorry Jamie, it's 5.30am and I haven't woken up yet..Everton, bloody Everton.. will be glad when the season least I might sleep through the night!
Christine Foster
58 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:42:54
Jesus, just had an email from the Liverpool Empire, "Titanic the musical" bet that goes down well...
Dave Abrahams
59 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:45:41
Barry (54) How do you use your logic to make allowances for players and referees mistakes during the game, injuries and sendings off, being honest Barry most of it is guesswork isn’t it? How did you think we would get on against Brighton away? Did you use your logic in that game and come up with a 5-1 win for Everton? If you did then you know what I’m going to ask next: What the six numbers for tomorrow nights lottery?
Barry Rathbone
60 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:52:18
Dave 59

Of course it's guesswork but it's educated guesswork

Dale Self
61 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:53:40
Anyone know how to track Billing with our lineup? Seems like he is the danger man along with Quattara. Haven’t seen them much so apologies if I’m blowing smoke.
Christy Ring
62 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:56:00
How can you blame Calvert-Lewin for having a hamstring injury, he came back against Leicester and ran his guts out ever since. He's a massive loss, but I'd play Keane or Simms upfront, and definitely not Iwobi as a wing back, for obvious reasons. I'm worried about Sunday, would have been less pressure if Newcastle had to win last night. Having said that, if you told Dyche when he took charge that winning our last game at Goodison against B'Mouth to keep us in the Premiership, he'd have took it.
Raymond Fox
63 Posted 23/05/2023 at 18:58:18
How the hell are Bournemouth a 11/2 shot to win this game, they have beaten us twice this season and we heaven help us cant put together a proper team.

The more I look at this game the less I like it.

Ian Jones
64 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:19:53
Re our lack of a forward in January. We did have a loan deal in place for Danjuma who turned us down at the last moment to I assume get more playing time. That's turned out well for him at Spurs!
Bill Gienapp
65 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:20:14
I agree with Jamie's (53) formation, which I've seen others suggest on social media. It has issues, obviously, but there's something to be said for simply putting our 11 best available players on the pitch and hoping for the best.
Paul Kossoff
66 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:23:49
Toast anyone? Because that's all that we are I'm afraid. I've said for a while we are a perfect storm waiting to finally break and Sundays game will be it.
I've resigned myself to supporting my club in the championship next season, hopefully without Kenwright and the rest of the con men who have driven this club into the ground. I Pray for three points on Sunday, maybe our luck will change,here is hoping. Coyb.
Shane Corcoran
67 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:27:16
Les if a player tries to play on a pulled hamstring then it’s just a waste of an early sub.

Has it ever been stated if he keeps injuring the same hamstring?

Paul Hewitt
68 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:34:49
We will be playing an unmonitored Bournemouthteam with nothing too play for. Goodison will be rocking, noway can I see us losing this game. 3-0 win all day long.
Dale Self
69 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:37:10
Ok Paul Kossiff, Here’s to you and your Bluest of Blue Hearts!

[puff puff]

It’s a bit early for drinking out here. I hope that will do.

Andy Crooks
70 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:41:29
Paul K, I am as anxious as you. However, Leeds and Leicester fans fear being toast as well. They are as bad as we are. Leeds are demoralised but Leicester got one hell of a boost and Smith got his team selection and tactics spot on. They were a bit lucky but we're set up to capitalise on fortune.
I believe they will win, not quite as handsomely as Barry suggests, but win no doubt
They have been thrown a lifeline and will play without fear. Unfortunately playing with fear has been our default position all season.
I think that whatever team Dyche picks, getting the players to keep calm is what he needs to do most. Constant focused intensity, not gung ho madness is what we require.
In many ways I believe taking a draw out of the equation is to our advantage. Bournemouth will not be coming to nick a point. We will get chances to win. Patience from everyone and we will take a couple.
Neil Lawson
71 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:42:47
Stan Grace (50). Few words. 11 players. Even money you are correct.
Phil Smith
72 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:51:55
Some people are off it (Dyche included if he doesn't start with Simms up top). You'd rather play Onana or Keane up front (1 goal each all season) than Simms (who is on 8 and is a proper centre forward)??? Madness. I know he's raw but so is Ferguson for Brighton. He's getting chances to play. Play the lad. He made Koulibaly look like Titus Bramble in quicksand!
Joe McMahon
73 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:52:51
I'm beginning to think this is going to end the way we don't want it to. If we are being honest, it's been on the cards for years as the club has stood still/gone backwards while teams like Wolves, West Ham, Brighton, Fulham and Brentford have all over taken over us because Kenwright thinks it's still the 80's and get's misty eyed about the days of the Holy Trinity.

The culture at Finch farm, Unsworth and Ferguson there for years (look where they are now), little nice Everton, Sharp on the Board and a CEO with no experiance in sport whatsoever but in Charity work (you couldn't make it up).

I could scream this is supposed to be a Premier league Football club in the 21st century, (but not for much longer). Any club without proven strikers/goalscorers does not belong in the premier league, it's supposed to be entertaining, not negative goal difference season after season.

And Finally, special thanks Bill Kenwright, whose self indulgence and narcissism has slowly killed the once "Giant" Everton FC, and the hope of it's supporters. Some of them even clapped and cheered him (but many didn't for a good reason).

Paul Smith
74 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:56:42
We can still do Bournemouth. Mopes and Grey to win it for us. Goodison will be hell for the Cherries with snarlers everywhere in the ground.
Grant Rorrison
75 Posted 23/05/2023 at 19:58:52
Leicester were shit last night. Made no attempt to play football and were torn to bits. It was only ridiculous misses and a couple of half decent saves that kept them in it. To suggest the outcome was down to a plan working and that they can take any confidence from it is absurd. They will have to attack against West Ham if they want 3 points and they will concede goals in the process.

They have only 1 win in 13 games or something like that. Why would anyone suddenly believe because they got lucky last night and scraped a nil nil that they can go out and beat someone, and comfortably at that? Doesn't make any sense.

They wont beat West Ham. I don't think any of us will win a game on Sunday.

Rob Halligan
76 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:00:13
Bournemouth have beaten us twice this season. Wow, what a great logic to suggest they will do it again. I wonder what Bournemouth thought the day they played the RS at home. “OMG they’re going to hammer us 9-0 again”. Maybe Brighton thought “well, we beat Everton 4-1 away, so we can beat them 4-1 at home”. Just because of what happened nearly six months ago will have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what happens next Sunday. According to Barry # 44, Leicester are going to put anything between 3-6 past West Ham, and it will be their easiest game of the year. Well, we only need to score one against the second weakest defence in the league, and keep out an attack not much better than ours. So go and enjoy your six goals leicester fans, in fact have a great day and make it ten. Maybe Leeds can also put ten past Spurs, where as our one will be enough to send you both down!
Billy Roberts
77 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:00:36
Barry " the educated" Rathbone
So what was your prediction for the Brighton game?
There is something inherently unlikeable about you and its not your correct 0-3 prediction against Man City that has clearly over inflated your Elephant man sized head.
Dale Self
78 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:06:28
Joe and possibly others please stop this approach of communication - this is just a request:

“beginning to think this is going to end the way we don't want it to. If we are being honest, it's been on the cards for years “

The two things I am pointing out are 1) this isn’t the start of your pessimism and 2) ‘we’ isn’t appropriate if you can’t find some some inclusive language but only a shitty foregone conclusion.

I’m not asking for censorship or demanding people talk a certain way. Just asking that some thought, compassionate thought, be made about the phrasing. It’s okay to say you feel like you have been put in a hole somehow. It isn’t okay to tell others they are in that hole with you.

Sorry but it has turned into a small communication cottage industry and needed to be called out. Especially since some would not take obvious hints.

Rob Halligan
79 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:20:36
Grant, many thought Leeds and Leicester would win their final two games. Leeds came nowhere near getting a result at West Ham, which should have ended at least 5-1. Leicester played so deep at Newcastle I’m surprised three London buses weren’t spotted in their goal area last night. It was only due to some poor finishing by Newcastle, and the woodwork, that Leicester didn’t take a hammering. Had Newcastle needed to win last night, I think we would have seen a different result.

As for Sunday, who knows, but I can’t see Leeds beating Spurs, particularly If it’s to be Harry Kanes last game for them, so no doubt he will want to go out with a couple of goals, and Richarlison will be begging to play so he can help his old teammates out. As for Leicester, will they park their London buses again, and hope to hit West Ham on the break and take a 1-0 win, hoping Bournemouth do them a favour, or will they go all out attack from the off, but leaving themselves open at the back? Looking at their defensive record, and it’s nearly up there with Bournemouth and Leeds, ie, shit!

All irrelevant though, because our one goal will send them down.

Joe McMahon
80 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:20:44
Dale, I agree i'm being very pessimistic about it all, I don't want to be believe me! but, in my experience blind faith is not the way. As you point out my Grammer may be a bit askew, just been a long day at work.

I'll shut up until Sunday now, as nowt we can do.

Sean Kelly
81 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:22:43
Barry #54 with that level of logic and foresight a couple of questions come to mind
1) have you ever won the lottery jackpot?
2) why not?
Ffs lad get a grip
Jay Harris
82 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:23:37
OMG… Why all the pessimism?

We were a totally different club when we got hammered by Bournemouth and if the powers that be had any balls or acumen they would have got rid of Lampard much sooner.

We have gone from certs to be in the drop to favourites to avoid the drop.

Please have some faith and belief and leave your pessimism at home.

Roar the lads on for 90 minutes plus and I'm sure we will prevail.

Doesn't matter what others do as long as we win.


Sean Kelly
83 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:26:50
100% spot on Jay Harris
Dale Self
84 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:29:38
Joe I like your voice and prefer you here with us. I’m just sounding off on how those vibes are bouncing off of me We are all dealing with it. Don’t bail just check language is all. It’s not self-censorship it’s just courteous acknowledgment that we all share this space.

We all hang together Joe. I’m obviously going with the interpretation without the rope

Rob Halligan
85 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:32:10
Here’s an omen, if anybody is looking for any. The last time leicester went down, they finished eighteenth, they were joined by Leeds who finished nineteenth. Guess who finished seventeenth? The same season Newcastle finished fifth, and Villa sixth. Both now seem to be heading for Europe next season, from pretty much the same league positions.
Brent Stephens
86 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:33:23
Wow, Rob! That's spooky. Great stuff.
Barry Rathbone
87 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:38:04
Billy Roberts 77

Pack it in with the personal stuff you wouldn't say stuff like that face to face it's hardly my fault you can't handle contrary opinion. The phrase you're looking for is "I hear what you're saying but I don't think it will happen"
Easy isn't it.

Sean Kelly 81

Lottery jackpot win precedents are statistically off the scale compared to prem relegation battles. Not so much "get a grip" as do some research.

Mike Doyle
88 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:43:54
Rob 70 & 85] Last season, ahead of the Palace game you may recall we exchanged posts discussing the merits of getting the Everton players a management to be forced to watch Al Pacino’s speech from Any Given Sunday.
Not sure if they did, but any chance you can get a copy into the changing rooms on Sunday? With no striker or full backs available it might help.
Sean Kelly
89 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:48:02
Barry just commenting on prediction and foresight skills. Obviously non-existent.
Tony Abrahams
90 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:51:32
Thank you very much Dale, Danny, Rob, and everyone else who is remaining positive.

I genuinely don't understand the logic of anyone coming onto an Everton forum, telling us we are going to get relegated because, if the unthinkable does happen, surely they won't want to come on this website next week, telling everyone they told us they were right?

The minute you stop believing is the minute you should just turn off, imo, especially right now when we need as much positivity as humanly possible. If you don't believe, please use some logic, and take your educated negativity somewhere else for a few days, and at least whilst we still have survival in our own hands.

Peter Carpenter
91 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:52:16
Don't let the doubts back in now. By rights, we should have been long gone but somehow we're not. Two points ahead with a game to go is more than we could have hoped for. We've slipped the hangman's noose and just need to find a horse and get the hell out of town as fast as possible. Some of the horses are lame and some just run round and round in circles, but we'll find a good one. Keep the faith.
Rob Halligan
92 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:53:16
Mike # 88. I remember it well. I did send it to a mate who is close friends with a club masseur. Maybe he passed it onto the masseur, I don’t know, but if he did then it had the desired effect. I will send it again.
Barry Rathbone
93 Posted 23/05/2023 at 20:56:49
Sean Kelly 89

Not that it matters a jot but "non existent" doesn't figure if you use facts.

Oh! I see

Kieran Kinsella
94 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:03:04
This is only the fifth time in history Everton have been involved with the relegation battle on the last game of the season. The first two times we went down, the next two we survived obviously. So any fan in his 30s will have seen 60% of our last day nail biters after 135 years of history. Some people get all the fun.
Neil Copeland
95 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:04:37
Tony #90, spot on mate. I can’t see the point either if there is no belief. As supporters it is a must for us to show belief. If we lose faith then how do we expect the players to raise their game.

We are playing Bournemouth ffs not Barcelona or Real Madrid or Brazil.

This is a very winnable game, a fantastic opportunity brought about by a mix of luck, sweat, tears and belief and even a bit of skill now and again.

We can do this as long as we stick together and stay positive.


Pete Neilson
96 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:06:01
Tony (90) summed up very well.
Lev Vellene
97 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:07:53
Well, now Dyche knows, so lets hope he'll get in anyone (Simms?) who have more feelings about playing to win than just collecting their regular monthly paycheck!
Ernie Baywood
99 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:08:46
We're 1/2 to win. 1/4 to stay up.

I don't see value in any of the bets offered. It's about right.

Personally I think any of these teams in trouble are capable of any result. But the odds still play very much in our favour.

Just go and get the win that they should get and finish this horrible season.

Lev Vellene
100 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:11:40
Jay #82, of course we are pessimists! That's the one sure way to ever only get positive surprises, after all! 45 (or so) years of being an Everton fan, and I'm still healthily alive!
Dave Abrahams
101 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:15:21
Barry (60),

Well, I suppose educated guesswork is better than your ordinary every day guesswork.

Barry,t ry and get your educated guesswork to get an Everton win!!

Ray Jacques
102 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:18:45
An early goal is required.
Barry Rathbone
103 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:28:29
Dave 101

Fan positivity, negativity, guesswork none of it matters.

It's down to 11 players in blue and their attitude, ability and maybe a few prayers.

Everyone hopes it's alright on the night but not everyone wants to ignore the elephant in the room.

Neil Carter
104 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:29:03
Dyche is selecting from fumes-any failure to survive no matter who is selected is down to the owner and the board.
He can look the fans in the eye and say he’s done his best-win, lose or draw the board will continue to hide.
Only era at an end for certainty now is their future board memberships and the backing of the fans.
Dave Abrahams
105 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:39:24
Barry (103),

Yes, it's definitely down to the players and how they perform on the day and sometimes the elephant in the room is harmless.

Tony Abrahams
106 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:40:27
Very good post Barry, and nobody is asking you to ignore the elephant in the room, mate, especially when it’s perfectly logical, in your own opinion. Everyone has negative thoughts at times, but it’s just not something any of us need to hear in our hour of need, imo!

When I was young it seemed that life was so wonderful, a miracle oh it was beautiful- magical - but then they sent me away to teach me how to be sensible- and I said fuck off, I’d sooner learn the hard way out in the street!! I’m just not sure if this logic actually worked for me

Ian Riley
108 Posted 23/05/2023 at 21:59:08
Forget the board! It's us and 11 players as one! This is about our club and no one else.

Goodison will be loud! No negative chanting, moaning, remarks and keep it loud! We will make the difference! Win, lose or draw, we must keep our dignity! This is about us and our club! The issues around the boardroom must wait! Sunday is about the players.

Sean Dyche has put us in a position to stay in this league. A further 90 minutes to give all and to every player, we are with you. Do your best is all we ask.

Chris Hockenhull
109 Posted 23/05/2023 at 22:10:13
106…. Dear lord… things have become Rick bottom desperate when Supertramp “ lyrics” are being quoted 😜
Dale Self
110 Posted 23/05/2023 at 22:22:13
123 Five!
Ian Jones
111 Posted 23/05/2023 at 22:22:43
Chris, it's a good choice of lyric.

However, I offer

Crisis, what crisis

Barry Rathbone
113 Posted 23/05/2023 at 22:31:00
Tony 106

We're all different all we can do is voice honest opinions results will decide who is head boy at clairvoyant school.

But in all seriousness bragging about predictions is a nonsense all that matters is a winning team. My issue has long been about the impact unquestioning support provides ie does it tacitly prop up failure by giving those in charge a free pass?

The events surrounding Moyes departure were the ultimate example in my opinion. Instead of being shown the door he was left to tap up our best players and given a standing ovation.

When I proffer views contrary to the TW consensus it is with that type of alternative perspective in mind. It might not be popular but I know I won't be alone in such thoughts.

Stu Darlington
114 Posted 23/05/2023 at 22:35:52
Lot of dark thoughts on this thread today.Good job I’m not allowed access to any sharp instruments!,
I’m with Rob Halligan on this one.Neither Leeds nor Leicester looked any great shakes to me last weekend and their body language suggested a lack of self belief and their win record is not great,so why should it change now?.There’s a lot of time between West Ham’s last league game and the Europa Conference league final,so I think Moyes will want to keep momentum and morale going and play a strongish team.
Don’t care anyway It’s all in our own hands which is as it should be.I know we are limited in selection choices because of injuries,but just pick our best team and go for it.Their defence is vulnerable and if all our players want it badly enough we will win.
Rudy Chinchilla
115 Posted 23/05/2023 at 22:37:42
As much as we're all frustrated about DCL's injuries, I don't see the logic in selling him. We won't make good money anyway. The more sensible solution would be to buy a replacement who's ready to start and be our main man, while keeping Dom as our backup striker.
Jerome Shields
116 Posted 23/05/2023 at 22:46:36
Have to have a threat up front.Has to be Sims.Maupay is not a threat and will allo Bournemouth to overwhelm Everton's Midfield as they did twice in one week when they last played Everton.

Have to play Holgate at the back.Definiely not MCNeill.

James Hughes
117 Posted 23/05/2023 at 22:58:04
Take the elephant out of the room and put him in goal. That will stop the feckers scoring.

When this over and we begin our 70th consecutive season in the top flight things will change for the better, the board will be gone.

One thing I would like to know who thought buying Maupay was the answer?
Also what was the question and were they pissed

Andrew Keatley
118 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:03:54
Hard to know what to expect. My feeling is that Bournemouth will let us have the ball and try to hit us on the break. On the basis that we won’t need a striker to hold the ball up or run into space behind a high-line, I actually think Maupay might more effective than Simms. If Onana is fit then I’d possibly even opt for him and hope his height, long legs and physical bravery might cause havoc in their box (and mean that he’s far enough up the pitch that his laconic defensive style doesn’t leave us wide open on the counter).
Andy Crooks
119 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:09:28
Some good heartening posts. Going to bed feeling positive. Will probably last till about 4.30 am!
Kieran Kinsella
120 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:10:04

It’s purely psychological but fans make a difference. I’m not sure what line of work you’re in but let’s imagine you’re plumber bent over under the sink with your jeans sliding down. If 40,000 fans of another plumber started singing “Who ate all the pies?” Wouldn’t that put you off? On the other hand if you’re an accountant feeling fed up with sifting through papers if 40,000 started singing “There’s only one Baz accountant” wouldn’t that perk you up?

Neil Copeland
121 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:14:23
Andy, stay positive - 4.30 is better than 3 am!
Martin Mason
122 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:17:34
Barry@113 And what do you believe that you do differently to those who you laughingly believe unquestionably support the club? You are for sure an expert in stating the obvious but are really lacking in positive and thoughtful solutions or how you, as a mere consumer of the product (or are you even that?) with zero influence on how the club is run, could ever in any way make it happen. What is this fictitious alternative perspective that you believe you have? What is this TW "consensus" that you imagine exists? You have an unnatural grudge against Moyes, why is that?
John Daley
123 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:20:42
“On the other hand if you’re an accountant feeling fed up with sifting through papers if 40,000 started singing “There’s only one Baz accountant” wouldn’t that perk you up?”

I’d kill for Farhad to wake up in Baz’s shoes and realise it was all a bad fucking dream.

Brian Wilkinson
124 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:24:13
Oh well this one is for Danny O, I have got my positive head on and here goes.

A nervy afternoon, panic stricken and finger nails to the bone, all seems lost as we battle, now Everton never do anything the easy way and for 75 mins, all looks lost, then news filters through that the other two teams are also drawing, mr radio man has long since retired, replaced by Mr mobile phone man who passes on the news to an almighty roar from the stadium that Leicester are now losing.

Still holding out at nil nil, an anxious look at the big screen shows 78 Mins played, as Everton launch an attack, a couple of people a row in front decide to leave and block your view at the exact wrong moment, a groan from the crowd tells you we stuffed it up, Simms is warming up and the crowd are screaming for Maupay to be hooked off.

Bournemouth take a quick throw to delay our sub, a momentary slip hands Everton a counter attack, Maupay is one on one with the keeper, it’s now ultra slow motion, the crowd hold their breath, Maupay hits the sweetest shot and it rattles in the back of the net, with Maupay sinking to his knees, both fists raised, Bob Latchford style and any thought of a fine for pitch invasion falls on deaf ears, as Goodison is swamped, with the extra stewards swallowed up.

8 mins go up on the board due to the stoppage, but Everton hold out and Maupay follows in the footsteps of Horne and Farrelley, and becomes a hero.

So there you have it Danny, I’m calling Maupay to pull us out of the brown stuff, just this one time.

Barry Rathbone
125 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:26:57
Kieran 120

I can honestly say neither would impact me I guess because whatever I have done I've always made sure I'm good at it or don't bother

I've experienced both (not 40k but large enough crowds to make your point) and follow the Billy Kipling mantra from Wavertree "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same".

But that's just me.

Martin Mason
126 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:31:38
Barry@125 As everybody else does to the best of their ability. What standards do you judge yourself by?
Pete Jeffries
127 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:33:42
Just like last year
The whole future of the club is at stake
We need another Brighton away performance
Can players who have performed so badly all year round produce the goods
Possibly with the crowd as an extra man
We need quality passing shooting defending none of which we have got in abundance, not just fight
Thats all we can hope for
Paul Birmingham
128 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:42:23
All in and stick together and believe, the dream, salvation will happen, this Sunday and Everton will prevail and stay in the League, and beat Bournemouth.

Last November, is history, so 100%, focus and belief, desire to win plus the Everton supporters, will be an unstoppable force, of nature, on 28/05/2023.

Hearts and Minds, and belief.


Alec Gaston
129 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:43:32
The crowd has massive impact on performance - whatever the issues the team need us for 90 mins on Sunday
Barry Rathbone
130 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:50:13
Martin Mason @ various

In answer to your wittering.

I offer an opinion contrary to the consensus.

Asking for solutions from someone you reckon has no influence is bizarre.

The alternative perspective is recognising no club without mega billions reaches and stays in the challenging elite.

The consensus will change depending on the topic - surely you understand that

Moyes and Kenwright prospered as we vanished from the top table providing the seed of the plant shoved up our arse today consolidating the Kenwright crown.

You said everyone judges themselves according to the best of their ability as I do ….. Then you ask how do I judge myself?

You alluded recently to an illness I do hope you’re not having a relapse.

Dean Cooper
133 Posted 23/05/2023 at 23:57:59
It's 90+5 mins at 0-0 with Bournemouth, Leeds are 3-3 with Spurs and Leicester are 2-0 against West Ham.
We are awarded a penalty...
Who takes it?
Rob Halligan
134 Posted 24/05/2023 at 00:04:24
Dean, quite simple……..Demarai Gray, if he’s on the pitch that is, which I imagine he will be
Brian Wilkinson
135 Posted 24/05/2023 at 00:12:38
Dean, has to be Paul Stratton.
Mark Andersson
136 Posted 24/05/2023 at 00:32:11
I'm with the logical positive posts on here.

Everton 3 the other team1..

Happy 😊 on Sunday all is good in the land of hope..

Pete Clarke
137 Posted 24/05/2023 at 00:58:19
Neville Southall was gonna take one v Wimbledone so I guess Pickford can take one. NOT !
Whoever takes it needs to do what big Bob did for his 30th goal.
Phil Lewis
138 Posted 23/05/2023 at 01:00:55
I imagine that the absences of Patterson, Coleman, Mykolenko and Calvert-Lewin are causing sleepless nights for all Evertonians leading up to Sunday. No doubt everyone is desperately trying to find a winning combination. I'm certainly no exception.

So here goes nothing! Starting In a 4-2-3-1 formation:

Holgate. Coady. Mina. Tarkowski.
Garner. Gueye.
Iwobi. Doucoure. McNeil.

I've deliberately selected players with pace to start the match in the hope of running at Bournemouth and opening up any weaknesses. They have a dreadful goals against record. We need to attack them at speed, in the same manner that we did early on against Brighton. Hence no starting role for Onana.

Hopefully Iwobi and McNeil would marshall the flanks in both attack and defence, their contributions crucial to this particular plan's effectiveness. If Gray can stretch them up front, then perhaps we can capitalise on Doucoure coming through.

I believe that I've selected the strongest and safest available back four.

Keane, Onana, Maupay and Simms make the bench. If we are not in front by half-time and results elsewhere are unfavourable, then obviously substitutions and desperate measures are an option.

COYB!! I'm predicting my starting eleven being 2-0 up by half-time and the second half a case of consolidating our lead.

Nicolas Piñon
139 Posted 24/05/2023 at 01:10:45
Leeds lost bamford with a hamstring injury I believe. We’re not the only ones suffering from injuries.

Holgate, Tark, Mina, Mykolenko
Iwobi, gana, Doucoure, Garner McNeil

Jamie Sweet
140 Posted 24/05/2023 at 01:55:02
Trying to calm my fears, I took a look at home and away records, expecting to see that Bournemouth picked up the majority of their points at the Vitality, and that we were comparatively strong at Goodison.

Bournemouth Away Record = 17 Points

Everton at Goodison = 18 Points

This didn't really help.

I see that Leicester have a worse home record than us though, so this gave me a sliver of hope.

I remember singing the name of Gianluca Vialli on the streets around Goodison after the Coventry game in 1998. I just wonder if it's our old buddy Davey Moyes who is receiving our adulation on Sunday?

Stranger things have happened!

Jonathan Oppenheimer
141 Posted 24/05/2023 at 03:46:59
I believe that we will win. Some way, some how. And just like last season, the true MotM will go to the Goodison faithful, who will will the ball into the back of the net for a 1-0 win.

It won't be pretty, but Sean Dyche will keep the lads' heads on straight for 90+ nail-biting minutes and we'll get it done.

Kieran Kinsella
142 Posted 24/05/2023 at 04:14:21
Barry @125,

I can believe it. I'm not sure why people are getting so upset with you on here mate. I highly doubt any Everton players will stumble across this thread and let your comments negatively impact their performance Sunday. And if they do, more fool them for ignoring the vast majority of “get behind the team” posts.

Laurie Hartley
143 Posted 24/05/2023 at 04:41:11
Nicolas # 139 - I think that’s the best starting 11 and set up.
Christine Foster
144 Posted 24/05/2023 at 05:31:35
I desperately want Everton to win. It will break my heart if we are relegated. Do I believe we can win on Sunday? Absolutely. Here is how we can do it.

1. Individual motivation, if you are relegated you are either being sold or will end up playing in the Championship if you are lucky.

2. Attitude. Aggression, fight and don't let them have the time and space to play. Review why they hammered us so it doesn't happen again.

3. Team selection. We have to play to our strengths (that we have available) and build tactics around them. Above all else have a plan be and be flexible on the pitch to change it at a moments notice.

4. Give them nothing. Harass them with the ball. knock them off the game. Want it more.

5. Substitutions. If its not working change it. No matter who or where, no one can have an off game. If a player is subbed then they better pray they have given everything.

Can we win? Damn right we can, no faint hearts, give it everything, nothing left in the changing room... Stand up.

Do all of the above and there will be no complaints, well, not many..

Christine Foster
145 Posted 24/05/2023 at 05:46:43
A shout to all posters as well, opinions are great, diverse, debate and discover, learn a bit and laugh.

Right now, we need to believe and frankly some of the posters here just don't. Can't say I blame them, for too long we have been subjected to utter crap at times. Blame the club, the manager or the players – it doesn't matter a jot at the moment, it all comes down to Sunday.

We all fear the worst but don't all say it out loud. Because admitting it feels like giving up. There are doom merchants who predict the worst, but football has the uncanny knack of biting you in the backside.

So, I ask politely, keep your fears and predictions of failure under wraps... be positive and pray to god we will do it. Let the season review begin after this most important of games. We are Everton. We can do this. No head dropping this week.

Frank Sheppard
146 Posted 24/05/2023 at 06:53:50
As Bowie said - “ all we have to do is WIN”.
Phil Lewis
147 Posted 24/05/2023 at 07:06:26

I totally agree about the need for positivity this Sunday. Yes, key players will be missing, we need to accept that and select the best from who is available. That is why the team I suggested in an earlier post, gives us the pace and bite, needed for victory. Obviously, if any of the doutfuls I mentioned are fit, then they play. However, as you pointed out, whoever is chosen to pull on the Royal Blue Jersey in this do or die encounter, they need to be at the very peak of their game.

I wouldn't focus on the two recent defeats against Bournemouth too much. Having watched YouTube videos of all the goals, they were the result of both goalkeeping and outfield errors which we gifted them. Not from any quality build ups on their part. Notably, I'd say we've tightened up considerably since then and are not such a soft touch.

Instead, I'm hoping that Sean Dyche is replaying the Brighton victory to the players and impressing upon them the importance of attacking Bournemouth with the same attitude and game plan.

God willing, all will be well.

Bill Fairfield
148 Posted 24/05/2023 at 07:11:41
When we stay up,it will be nothing short of a miracle.
Jerome Shields
149 Posted 24/05/2023 at 07:16:24
When Bournemouth beat Everton twice they were bottom of the League.They are not involved in the relegation dogfight from their now lofty position.

Dyche has to get the selection and tactics right.He didn't the last game.Actually in his selection of the left back, he panicked.You might even think he followed selected ToffeeWeb advice.Just hope he follows your advice Christine this week.

As for Calvert Lewin his situation is the result of a failed Medical Services at Finch Farm.

Kunal Desai
150 Posted 24/05/2023 at 07:34:51
We'll win this and the winning goal from either Tarks, Mina or Keane of a set piece. Take your pick.
Andy Crooks
151 Posted 24/05/2023 at 07:40:01
Feeling positive, got a lie in till 4.40 am. Still early enough to re-review possible scenarios for Sunday. Perhaps Lyndon and Michael could set up and man some sort of helpline for Saturday night.
Danny O’Neill
152 Posted 24/05/2023 at 07:42:15
Brian @124, nice. Like it. Thank you for that.

On some of the other debate. We are all in this and all feeling a range of emotions.

Sometimes we see things similarly. Others, we disagree.

That's healthy, otherwise we would all have the same view and be part of some weird hypnotised cult.

We all have our own approach to matches, both as players and supporters. I like different views and learn off people.

Idiots like me are overly optimistic. I don't mind admitting that. I always go in with belief.

Some are what they consider to be realists.

Others pessimistic bordering on those blokes who used to walk around with "the end is nigh" placards.

It doesn't matter. Deep down, we all want the same.

Phil Lewis
153 Posted 24/05/2023 at 07:53:19

With respect, blaming the Finch Farm medical team for DCL's recurring injury is naive and lacks any real evidence.

A grade 3 abductor tear such as Dom experienced is an extremely difficult injury to fully recover from. Especially for a footballer playing at the highest level. Even when recovered, it leaves a legacy which renders the patient susceptible to further muscle and groin strain. All symptoms which DCL has experienced with alarming regularity.

My brother, admittedly a much older, none sporting man, endured a very similar injury some years ago. When DCL suffered his abductor, 'our kid' commented to me, "He'll never be the same player again".

Even with the assistance of the best surgeons and physios in the world, I fear my brother's assessment may prove correct.

Eddie Dunn
154 Posted 24/05/2023 at 08:04:55
Shame that Dom has picked-up another hammy.
On the whole situation, I fancy West Ham to go and at least draw at the King Power. Leicester only kept a clean sheet at Newcastle by defending for 80 minutes and the woodwork was their saviour three times. At home they will have to take risks and leave gaps. Now those Irons will be trying to cement a place in that final and they will have ten days to recover.
I expect a similar line-up to the one that put Leeds to the sword with perhaps only Antonio wrapped in cotton wool.
Mr Moyes doesn't need to play a second string, get blasted for it and have his team lose momentum.
We might not win but still stay up.
Peter Carpenter
155 Posted 24/05/2023 at 08:36:35
Brian (124) I like that but I think it might be Holgate scrambling a corner home. Better still, Maupay gets a second. I love a redemption story.
Jim Lloyd
156 Posted 24/05/2023 at 08:38:28
Brian 124, hope to see you before the match
I'm sure we're all nervous, some (including me) fearful for what could go wrong or the fates going against us (me again) others at the other end of the spectrum, full of confidence that we're going to win and rallying the nervous.

In the end, when 40,000 Blues get in the ground, nervous energy will become the twelfth man and we'll support our team like Evertonians do. The players will do their utmost, we'll support them to our utmost and let's see what happens.

Alan Corken
157 Posted 24/05/2023 at 08:44:52
The postings here reflect what I dare say we are all going through. Certainly with me it is the full range of optimism moving to pessimism and back again, often minute to minute. I'm seeking reassurance from any titbit of positive news and I even got some solace from Big Rob"s post #85 about his omens from the past with optimistic portents.

Truth be told however, I'm a nervous mess and I can tell that we are all the same. I didn't sleep the night before both the last Leeds and Leicester games, worrying about outcomes that might take our fate out of our hands. And last night I dreamt that we came from behind against Bournemouth to win 4-3 with Maupay scoring all 4! Yes I am that fecked up!

However, come Sunday I will be at Goodison and totally focused on doing what little I can to help the team. I know all of you will too whether you are in the ground or at home. For those 90 mins we will be as one setting aside all the disagreements we have fermented on this forum. And I expect that the team themselves will be similarly focused. I believe they will leave all of their doubts and disappointments behind them because they are now irrelevant, there is nothing else left to do but for them and us to give everything they/we have got. That will, I am sure, be enough to polish off the blossoming Cherries

Jerome Shields
158 Posted 24/05/2023 at 08:50:37

Respecting your experience and opinion.My observation are based on other player rehabilitations over years,regarding recurring hamstring injuries.

Finch Farms rehabitation regime is based on rest and recover. No other Premier League side follows this dated practise They all follow the modern High performance methods, which is based on building resilence.

In Calvin Lewin's case he was pushed into playing relatively young, mainly because of ineffective Club recruitment. Granted the injury you describe did not help.He is not playing because if a hamstring injury.

The player that Calvin Lewin was for me had always been a myth.He was a good player on occasions, particularly under the simplified tactics of Anchelotti.His performance against Brighton was outstanding, but he did not score.

Calvin Lewin's biggest problem was the unrealistic expectations Evertonians have traditionally placed on the Centre Forward role. In his case playing in a very poor team, which he was expected to turn into a good one.

Peter Carpenter
159 Posted 24/05/2023 at 09:04:43
Another positive;
'Only Sunday's opponents Bournemouth, with 608, have faced more shots on goal than Everton's 564 this season.'
From BBC Sport.
Craig Walker
160 Posted 24/05/2023 at 09:05:09
Alan @157. That's me described, exactly. I keep lurching from the optimistic view: we are Everton, we'll stay up, to my pessimistic view, which I've held since October, that it is written in the stars that our last season at Goodison will be in the Championship: "Everton, that".

It's toss of a coin, for me.

My concern is if we go a goal down and other games aren't going our way. Goodison might become over anxious and the players don't often perform when it's like that. It's ridiculous that we've won 7 matches all season. Even under the days of Moyes, where I was really dissatisified, I wouldn't be nervous for a home game versus someone like Bournemouth.

I've gone from being a nervous wreck for cup finals to being a nervous wreck for home games vs Brentford, Fulham, Leeds, Bournemouth...

Peter Carpenter
161 Posted 24/05/2023 at 09:08:26
You're right, Craig. There was something comforting and stress-reducing about knowing we had virtually no chance against Man City.
Christopher Timmins
162 Posted 24/05/2023 at 09:09:42
Eddie # 154

I would even think that he will give Antonio a start and maybe take him off in the second half. He, Moyes, won't want Antonio going 3 weeks without game time.

I will be surprised it either Leeds or Leicester pick up a win.

If the final was on this day week, it would be a totally different story, he might start playing the kids in such an event but not with a 10 day gap.

Peter Warren
163 Posted 24/05/2023 at 09:13:54
All 3 teams will not win Sunday. I think Leicester have the best chance (despite their form) which is worrying
Kim Vivian
164 Posted 24/05/2023 at 09:48:08
Peter nails it for me. And it would be interesting (if that's the right word) to gauge the atmosphere at Goodison if we stay up by losing.

Leics also make me nervous. TBH I cant quite reconcile how they are where they are. I would swap over half their squad for ours - with Castagne, Maddison, Barnes, Tielemens, Vardy, Ihaneacho in our squad I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be where we are.

Basically we just need to match or beat the better performance of Leeds/Leics respectively on Sunday. Any advantage may be questionable but at least both of them know they MUST win.

In our hands? Out of our hands?...I can't quite make my mind up.

Colin Glassar
165 Posted 24/05/2023 at 09:50:51
Kim, of course it’s in our hands. Win and it’s over for the other two.
Denis Richardson
166 Posted 24/05/2023 at 09:59:33
Kim - 100% in our hands as if all three win, we stay up. We win, doesn't matter what the others do we can't focus on them at all (unless we get to 85 mins gone and we're not winning and e.g. Leics are!).

We knew DCL and Patterson would be out so the above news not a surprise. Slightly good news is that Myko could be fit so we may have at least one FB in the starting 11. We really need McNeil further up the pitch imo, he's wasted at LB. Think he's our top scorer.

Not much point predicting the line up with 4 days to go but my view is we 100% need a win. The result on Monday was crap as I can see Leicester winning on Saturday. They've got nothing to lose, are at home and West Ham have nothing to play for. Don't think Moyes is going to risk injury to key players with a European final 10 days later, which would I think be Moyes' first ever trophy.

Doesn't really matter what Leeds do as I cannot see a scenario where we don't get at least 1 point and Leicester don't win.

Stranger things have happened but I'd rather be in our position this Sunday than Leeds or Leicester. Going to be nerve wracking, and early Everton goal would be massive to calm the nerves...

Kim Vivian
167 Posted 24/05/2023 at 10:02:49
.....but draw or lose and it's out of our hands.
Dave Lynch
168 Posted 24/05/2023 at 10:04:41
The perfect scenario on Sunday would be to shout the team to victory.
Then...on the final whistle everyone walk out in silence.

Won't happen of course but I won't be staying to clap a bunch of losers.

Phil Lewis
169 Posted 24/05/2023 at 10:06:08
Jerome #158

Fair comment.

We're in agreement really. A fit DCL is a force to be reckoned with. But one which has never fully developed because of recurring injury.

My real fear is that because of the severity of his initial injury, he many never fully recover enough to enjoy long term fitness, regardless of treatment or specialist programmes.

I sincerely hope for both his sake and that of EFC, I am completely wrong.

Ernie Baywood
170 Posted 24/05/2023 at 10:09:19
In our hands in the sense that if we win we're up.

Out of our hands in the sense that if both Everton and Bournemouth play with the same desire and intensity... Then they're the better side. They just are.

But they probably won't match our desire and intensity... if we set a high enough bar.

Can't figure out if I'm excited. I'm hating this week more than I've hated any of the rest of the season. And I've really hated the rest of the season. I just want this over. I don't even know if I'll be happy staying up.

Kevin Molloy
171 Posted 24/05/2023 at 10:18:46
DCL can still have a top line career. He's not Michael Owen, not completely dependent on his hamstrings. he needs to be told he doesnt need to charge about everywhere at full tilt, he can do a perfectly good job standing still and laying the ball off, and saving his energy for the penalty area.
James Marshall
172 Posted 24/05/2023 at 10:19:00
Some players go through a period of prolonged & repeated injury. It isn't exclusive to DCL and could just be a phase his body is going through. Perhaps a summer off will set him up and they'll be able to get to the bottom of his recurrences.

It pains me to see so many just writing players off when they get injured - discarding them like a piece of rubbish without knowing what's going on in that person life. They're human beings like the rest of if, despite the obvious disconnect.

We all love them when they're fit & firing, then some people want them out of the club when they can't play because of injury. He isn't getting injured deliberately to somehow get out of playing!

Barry Rathbone
173 Posted 24/05/2023 at 10:54:03
Kieran 142

Despite all the bravado people are massively fearful hence the frothing.

The mere mention of distinctly possible doom scenarios translates as "uttering those words means it will happen". it's a re-run of the Fawlty Towers sketch "don't mention the war"

Hopefully it comes to nothing and we win 15 nil

Will Mabon
174 Posted 24/05/2023 at 11:59:24
Every permutation proffered. I can barely imagine the threads here, late Sunday.

Destiny already knows. We know nothing.

Jerome Shields
176 Posted 24/05/2023 at 12:52:28

As you know good football never regain there promise after such a injury, and re plagued ever afterwards.🩸.In Calvert Lewin case he worked particularly hard in the first Summer of Silva Management to get himself ahead of Niasse and Tosun in the pecking order for the Centre Forward role getting to the required standard under Ancelotti in the following season.The following Saha transfer Summer left him unsupported in that role and at the end of the Ancelotti spell he got caught up of the politics of Finch Farm and the Manager, which was exasperated by the Benitez. So prior to his injury and recovery his coaching and training was not ideal.To push on after his top scoring year would take alot of focus from him, but those around him.That did not happen so the opportunity was missed. A consistent relegation threaten Everton is not a good place to regain much.

Finch Farm still has a rest and recovery regime, dressed up as looking like the School of Science.It is more a bureaucracy than based on effectiveness.

Jerome Shields
177 Posted 24/05/2023 at 12:52:29

As you know good football never regain there promise after such a injury, and re plagued ever afterwards.🩸.In Calvert Lewin case he worked particularly hard in the first Summer of Silva Management to get himself ahead of Niasse and Tosun in the pecking order for the Centre Forward role getting to the required standard under Ancelotti in the following season.The following Saha transfer Summer left him unsupported in that role and at the end of the Ancelotti spell he got caught up of the politics of Finch Farm and the Manager, which was exasperated by the Benitez. So prior to his injury and recovery his coaching and training was not ideal.To push on after his top scoring year would take alot of focus from him, but those around him.That did not happen so the opportunity was missed. A consistent relegation threaten Everton is not a good place to regain much.

Finch Farm still has a rest and recovery regime, dressed up as looking like the School of Science.It is more a bureaucracy than based on effectiveness.

Jerome Shields
178 Posted 24/05/2023 at 12:52:29

As you know good football never regain there promise after such a injury, and re plagued ever afterwards.🩸.In Calvert Lewin case he worked particularly hard in the first Summer of Silva Management to get himself ahead of Niasse and Tosun in the pecking order for the Centre Forward role getting to the required standard under Ancelotti in the following season.The following Saha transfer Summer left him unsupported in that role and at the end of the Ancelotti spell he got caught up of the politics of Finch Farm and the Manager, which was exasperated by the Benitez. So prior to his injury and recovery his coaching and training was not ideal.To push on after his top scoring year would take alot of focus from him, but those around him.That did not happen so the opportunity was missed. A consistent relegation threaten Everton is not a good place to regain much.

Finch Farm still has a rest and recovery regime, dressed up as looking like the School of Science.It is more a bureaucracy than based on effectiveness.

Jerome Shields
179 Posted 24/05/2023 at 12:52:29

As you know good football never regain there promise after such a injury, and re plagued ever afterwards.🩸.In Calvert Lewin case he worked particularly hard in the first Summer of Silva Management to get himself ahead of Niasse and Tosun in the pecking order for the Centre Forward role getting to the required standard under Ancelotti in the following season.The following Saha transfer Summer left him unsupported in that role and at the end of the Ancelotti spell he got caught up of the politics of Finch Farm and the Manager, which was exasperated by the Benitez. So prior to his injury and recovery his coaching and training was not ideal.To push on after his top scoring year would take alot of focus from him, but those around him.That did not happen so the opportunity was missed. A consistent relegation threaten Everton is not a good place to regain much.

Finch Farm still has a rest and recovery regime, dressed up as looking like the School of Science.It is more a bureaucracy than based on effectiveness.

Jerome Shields
180 Posted 24/05/2023 at 12:52:29

As you know good football never regain there promise after such a injury, and re plagued ever afterwards.🩸.In Calvert Lewin case he worked particularly hard in the first Summer of Silva Management to get himself ahead of Niasse and Tosun in the pecking order for the Centre Forward role getting to the required standard under Ancelotti in the following season.The following Saha transfer Summer left him unsupported in that role and at the end of the Ancelotti spell he got caught up of the politics of Finch Farm and the Manager, which was exasperated by the Benitez. So prior to his injury and recovery his coaching and training was not ideal.To push on after his top scoring year would take alot of focus from him, but those around him.That did not happen so the opportunity was missed. A consistent relegation threaten Everton is not a good place to regain much.

Finch Farm still has a rest and recovery regime, dressed up as looking like the School of Science.It is more a bureaucracy than based on effectiveness.

Jerome Shields
181 Posted 24/05/2023 at 12:52:29

As you know good football never regain there promise after such a injury, and re plagued ever afterwards.🩸.In Calvert Lewin case he worked particularly hard in the first Summer of Silva Management to get himself ahead of Niasse and Tosun in the pecking order for the Centre Forward role getting to the required standard under Ancelotti in the following season.The following Saha transfer Summer left him unsupported in that role and at the end of the Ancelotti spell he got caught up of the politics of Finch Farm and the Manager, which was exasperated by the Benitez. So prior to his injury and recovery his coaching and training was not ideal.To push on after his top scoring year would take alot of focus from him, but those around him.That did not happen so the opportunity was missed. A consistent relegation threaten Everton is not a good place to regain much.

Finch Farm still has a rest and recovery regime, dressed up as looking like the School of Science.It is more a bureaucracy than based on effectiveness.

Jerome Shields
182 Posted 24/05/2023 at 12:52:29

As you know good football never regain there promise after such a injury, and re plagued ever afterwards.🩸.In Calvert Lewin case he worked particularly hard in the first Summer of Silva Management to get himself ahead of Niasse and Tosun in the pecking order for the Centre Forward role getting to the required standard under Ancelotti in the following season.The following Saha transfer Summer left him unsupported in that role and at the end of the Ancelotti spell he got caught up of the politics of Finch Farm and the Manager, which was exasperated by the Benitez. So prior to his injury and recovery his coaching and training was not ideal.To push on after his top scoring year would take alot of focus from him, but those around him.That did not happen so the opportunity was missed. A consistent relegation threaten Everton is not a good place to regain much.

Finch Farm still has a rest and recovery regime, dressed up as looking like the School of Science.It is more a bureaucracy than based on effectiveness.

Jerome Shields
183 Posted 24/05/2023 at 12:52:44

As you know good football never regain there promise after such a injury, and re plagued ever afterwards.🩸.In Calvert Lewin case he worked particularly hard in the first Summer of Silva Management to get himself ahead of Niasse and Tosun in the pecking order for the Centre Forward role getting to the required standard under Ancelotti in the following season.The following Saha transfer Summer left him unsupported in that role and at the end of the Ancelotti spell he got caught up of the politics of Finch Farm and the Manager, which was exasperated by the Benitez. So prior to his injury and recovery his coaching and training was not ideal.To push on after his top scoring year would take alot of focus from him, but those around him.That did not happen so the opportunity was missed. A consistent relegation threaten Everton is not a good place to regain much.

Finch Farm still has a rest and recovery regime, dressed up as looking like the School of Science.It is more a bureaucracy than based on effectiveness.

Raymond Fox
184 Posted 24/05/2023 at 12:54:43
Lets have it straight we all on here desperately want our team not to be relegated, but if your having doubts about the outcome you should be allowed to say so without being jumped on.

We should be all grown up enough to accept someone elses genuine opinion.

It is an especially fraught situation at the moment and I've no doubt that the outcome will mean more to some than others that post on here.

David West
185 Posted 24/05/2023 at 12:56:09
To still have survival in our own hands is massive, yet our hands seem to be tied behind our back, with all the injuries.
The way all the other teams results have gone in the last few weeks we should be safe by now they have given us so many opportunities to be safe by now. I just wish we would have taken them opportunities, then we wouldn't have the nervous week coming.

I agree we need mcneil up the pitch as he's probably the one who can win it for us.

Will 174. I don't believe in destiny! Destiny implies you have no say in how things turn out. Whereas I believe you make your own destiny with the decisions and actions you take.
We can do it !!!!!

Tony Abrahams
186 Posted 24/05/2023 at 13:03:29
Barry@113, I actually agree with you mate, and honestly don’t think you’re posting anything contrary or outlandish, because I think most Evertonians, are very worried about Sunday’s game.

I have wrote a piece called A Rallying Call, because of this, and although I don’t think any match going Evertonian, will need any type of rallying call on Sunday, I do believe we have got to find the positivity to try and help our team from somewhere, simply because of what is at stake.

My own thoughts are also that a lot of Evertonians, have contributed to our downfall, and I think you picked a perfect example when you brought up how Moyes was clapped out of Goodison Pk, with the contradiction being, we need to unite in a similar way on Sunday!

(I had stopped going to Goodison, after we lost to Wigan in the cup, because I believed David & William, were in bed together and were only really interested in themselves, and I will stop going to Goodison again, if there is any way back for Bill The Bastard)

One thing I’m sure you will agree with me on Barry, is that nobody gets far on nervous energy, and this is the only reason, I decided to reply to you in the first place, mate.

Tony Abrahams
187 Posted 24/05/2023 at 13:08:21
You know I much prefer Dylan, Chris H, so I’m blaming Barry, because he kept using the word, logic, mate!
Brian Wilkinson
188 Posted 24/05/2023 at 14:01:38
Danny o, that was for you and the others who made countless efforts both home and away, all those miserable trips to Bournemouth twice in a matter of Days, to name just a few.

It will all be worth it, come this Sunday and I wanted to doff my cap to each and every one of you as a thank you, not just for your support, but the great posts you all contributed over the years.

Everton always find a way, I have every faith we will get the job done this Sunday, would not be suprised if Neither Leicester or Leeds manage a win Sunday.

So enjoy Sunday mate.

Jim will see you Sunday mate, I am not the least bit nervous mate, the chances we have been given over the weeks, I can see both Leeds and Leicester failing to pick up 3 points, the main thing is it is in our own hands.

We have key players out, but the one thing we have to do is like the Palace game, even 2 nil down the fans were more vocal for the entire 90 mins, if we go a goal down we have to make Goodison rock and get the players fighting and believing, we cannot switch off or see fans leaving, we are all in this together, we have to bring the bear pit to Goodison, for the entire 90 mins and beyond.

Denis Richardson
189 Posted 24/05/2023 at 14:28:35
Calvert-Lewin's injury is frustrating but I find the anger at him misplaced. It's not like players want to be injured.

Blame should imo be levelled at the club. If Calvert-Lewin had proper competition and/or back-up, he'd have needed to play less, been dropped when off form, and not been rushed back too early from injury. All the above would no doubt have had him a lot less injured and hence more overall minutes on the pitch.

I have to go as far back as the Campbell and Radzinsky days to remember the last time we had two (decentish) senior strikers in the squad. Ones that didn't cause embarrassment when you saw the prematch team sheet (ie, Niasse, Tosun, Stracqualursi etc).

For the last 20-odd years, we seem have had an allergy to having more than one decent senior striker in the squad. It's no wonder we've regularly been one of the lowest goal-scorers in the league.

Simple answer to the Calvert-Lewin question is buy another decent striker to have more options. Whatever the question is, Maupay ain't the answer.

Brian Wilkinson
190 Posted 24/05/2023 at 14:52:27
Leeds will not beat Spurs, bad as Spurs have been, and, like I said last week, Moyes will put out a strong team again to stop Leicester getting all 3 points.

You can say what you like about Moyes, he spent 11 years at Everton; he will do everything he can to stop Leicester getting all 3 points.

He knows a Leicester win could sink Everton. That's why, I think, regardless of our result, the other two teams will help us out and it might even come down to our result not even mattering.

Paul Kossoff
191 Posted 24/05/2023 at 15:43:21
Any chance of getting Troy Deeny in as a free agent and play him on Sunday? I would argue he is better than Maupay or Simms or anyone else we have.
Mark Ryan
192 Posted 24/05/2023 at 15:43:30
I see it very differently, Brian.

Spurs in turmoil with Kane almost certain to leave. Slot, Nagelsman et al all dithering about taking that job. Leeds to win.

Leicester to rally and will beat a West Ham who are now totally safe and will have their thoughts firmly set on a European Trophy. Forget the Moyes factor. None of those players want to miss their chance of a European Cup Final night by getting injured against Leicester.

Leeds and Leicester both win. We simply need to win.

You have to disregard what they are both doing in their games. If we play for a draw, we are doomed. Do I think we will win? Yes, but we have to go for all 3 points. Nothing less will do – but it is only MHO

Will Mabon
193 Posted 24/05/2023 at 15:59:34

actions taken, decisions made - or not; Perhaps the decisions themselves are part of the destiny?

Potentially, we can do it. Sunday will reveal.

Will Mabon
194 Posted 24/05/2023 at 16:01:25

that's a left-field one!

Ian Hollingworth
195 Posted 24/05/2023 at 16:08:36
A lot of posts on here for something that is very simple. We just have to win, end of.

We will win.


Raymond Fox
196 Posted 24/05/2023 at 16:57:55
We have to play for a win I agree, but I think Brian @190 has it right.
Rob Rothwell
197 Posted 24/05/2023 at 17:14:00
Totally agree Mark #192.

Moyes will do us no favours, remember his return to Goodison with Man U. And Spurs are in freefall. Expect both Leeds & Leicester to win.

We have to push for a win from the off. Start with Simms & Kegger up top. Two wingers from McNeil, Gray & Iwobi.

Sit back at 3-0.


Ben King
198 Posted 24/05/2023 at 17:18:46
Rob #197

You do talk some rite mate: why won’t Moyes do us a favour: he literally just has by beating Leeds 3-1!!!

At least look at the recent evidence please mate

David West
199 Posted 24/05/2023 at 17:30:56

That is why we have our "destiny" in our hands. It's not fate or pre-determined, it is the decisions the manager makes and the actions of the players that will determine our survival.

I agree with Brian @190. We have to assume both Leicester and Leeds will win – forget they're playing and go and win the game.

Simms has to start for me, we are not playing Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool, like he's played against in his few games. I'm not saying it will be easy but Bournemouth are not at that level. Simms should be up for it, ready to show his worth.

Rob Rothwell
200 Posted 24/05/2023 at 17:42:15
Thanks Ben #198.

I tend not to post a great deal due to responses like yours.

West Ham were still in a relegation battle last Sunday, hence beating a Leeds team who can't win away from home.

How many times have we overlooked Moyes when we needed a Manager since he left us? much abuse has he taken when he has returned to Goodison. Expect Zero loyalty from him come Sunday!


Peter Carpenter
201 Posted 24/05/2023 at 17:56:28
I think Moyes has forgiven us for the Grim Reaper stunt.
Winston Williamson
202 Posted 24/05/2023 at 18:09:40
Personally, I cannot shift a feeling of dread regarding Sunday. We seem to be placing a whole lot of hope in players who have continually let us down and have bottled EVERY opportunity presented to them.

As soon as there is any type of pressure, this squad folds.

Logically, our only hope rests with how Spurs and West Ham perform, as I expect our players to follow their ever-present pattern of bottling an opportunity to pick up the most vital of three points.

If I was a betting man, I’d bet on a Leicester win and losses for Leeds and Everton.

I’ll cheers us on madly, I’d give my right arm for a win, but I cannot blindly hope this team of losers win a game of such magnitude. Our only hope is us, the fans, repeating the Palace game of last season, without three of the attackers who made it possible!!

John Raftery
203 Posted 24/05/2023 at 18:20:09
I think our problems will be the least of Moysey’s considerations. His team are in a cup final. He will want his squad to maintain their focus and belief going into that final. He will certainly not want them to switch off. Once players become lackadaisical it is very hard to switch back on.

I disagree with the view our players are bottlers. They undoubtedly lack quality but there has never been a lack of effort.

Danny O’Neill
204 Posted 24/05/2023 at 18:23:38
Totally John.

They showed that on Saturday and never gave in until beyond the very end.

Just beat Bournemouth. 1-0 in the last minute will do.

Then whatever the rest do doesn't matter.

Jason Hewly
205 Posted 24/05/2023 at 18:26:19
Paul, 191,
I checked when I heard he was leaving Birmingham. He's under registration until 30th June.
Will Mabon
206 Posted 24/05/2023 at 18:36:05

I'm just playing really - but the future already knows! I hope we like that future.

Andy Crooks
207 Posted 24/05/2023 at 19:11:25
Danny, if we leave it to the 90th minute for a winner I, and I suspect many Blues, will have combusted due to unprecedented stress levels.
Brian Harrison
208 Posted 24/05/2023 at 19:18:18
Look I may have got this wrong, but Leeds and Leicester sit 18th and 19th in the league after 37 games and they are both 2 points behind Everton. But on Sunday they are both going to turn into Man City and wipe the floor with West Ham and Spurs and we are going to fail to beat Bournemouth with our Premier league survival on the line. Yet when the chips have been down in the last 70 odd years and we have needed to win a game to preserve our top flight football, we have.

Isn't that why we sing about if you know your history, come on lads have some faith.

Brian Wilkinson
209 Posted 24/05/2023 at 19:24:31
Brian@208, Leeds and Leicester are not getting three points Sunday, might get a point each at best.

A win for us is good enough, but apart from Everton, those other two simply have to win, whereas we can win, draw or even lose and still be safe, I know which position I would rather be in.

We have 3 bites at the cherries, while it is out of the hands of the other two teams.

Danny O’Neill
210 Posted 24/05/2023 at 19:33:36
Andy, I am already combusting.

Come Sunday, we'll be human volcanoes exploding with blue lava flowing.

Brian Wilkinson
211 Posted 24/05/2023 at 19:49:20
Hey here’s a thought, I mentioned Maupay being the unlikely hero, what odds Holgate dicking one in :-)
Brian Hennessy
212 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:10:48
I'm so confident, that i'm willing to bet €1000 with anyone that we will still be in the Premier League come Saturday night.
Will Mabon
213 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:15:27
Brian - how about Sunday night?
Brent Stephens
214 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:19:51
You're obviously a bookie, Brian H!
Terry Farrell
215 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:25:17
Does anyone know why Tom Canon wasn't involved against Wolves and if he can be in the squad Sunday? He's a goal scorer and if we are struggling I'd rather him and Simms.
Rob Halligan
216 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:25:58
Plenty on here saying that West Ham will rest a lot of players this Sunday, due to their involvement in a European final ten days later. Now if any team should be resting players, then it’s Man City, seeing as they have an FA Cup final in nine days time, followed by a CL final seven days later. But no, Pep has put out a very strong team tonight, in what is, in effect, a dead rubber, with the majority of his big guns playing, players he wouldn’t want to get injured before two big finals. I’m not saying West Ham will or won’t rest players, but there is nothing better than playing rather than training. Don’t forget, players can just as easily get injured in training!
Will Mabon
217 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:36:58

true, and often forgotten. Maybe the team for their last game will go back to a "safety" version.

Rob Halligan
218 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:40:08
I should have added that of course, City have players who can come in and do a job and probably win a game, but the likes of Haaland, De Bruyne, Stones, Rodrigo, Bernardo Silva, Walker and Gundogan are all certain to start in both finals, so you would have thought Pep would have left a few of them out?
Peter Carpenter
219 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:42:58
Apparently not allowed under loan rules, Terry.
Will Mabon
220 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:44:27
I guess Pep is timing it and will rest them next time. Looks like they're needing their better players so far tonight!
Gary Brown
221 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:46:46
City players need to keep match sharpness. Hopefully West Ham think the same - and perhaps even some will want to make the manager give them the game.

Still up to us, but seeing Leeds and Leicester 0-2 down at half time will do wonders for my sanity in second half…..ok, maybe not wonders, but something.

Rob Halligan
222 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:51:28
You’re probably right, Will, but it’s pretty much the same time scale between City playing tonight, then the FA Cup final in nine days, and against their city rivals at that, as it is for West Ham playing Sunday then a European final ten days later. I think Moyes will play as strong a team as he can on Sunday.
Brian Wilkinson
223 Posted 24/05/2023 at 20:58:29
As daft as it is Terry, as far as I know, he is still part of the loan until June, so we cannot register Cannon before then, unless we do a City and say ten of our players have got Covid.
Tony Everan
224 Posted 24/05/2023 at 21:00:22
Rob , Gary . I think he will play a strong team too, best to keep the engine running while they are playing well, momentum is a valuable commodity in football. A strong team will start and some key players will like be subbed after the hour mark. There is a touch of class about Declan Rice, he is a player that makes a difference, and if he starts it will be a tough day for Leicester.
Will Mabon
226 Posted 24/05/2023 at 21:03:57
This tonight has been an "extra" game for City though, or perhaps the Brentford game is on Sunday, however they view it. That will be basically a B Team I'd imagine.
Barry McNally
227 Posted 24/05/2023 at 21:04:03
IMHO, 17 days between matches is too long so Moyes should name a decent team this Sunday. I think he will too.
Terry Farrell
228 Posted 24/05/2023 at 21:28:13
Peter and Brian thanks for advising. So we can't use a fit quick tall goal scoring CF we loaned to a championship club whose season is long finished. Sounds about right!
Soren Moyer
229 Posted 24/05/2023 at 21:31:48
A few WHU groups have posted the following as the starting line-up v. Lester:

Arreola; Johnson, Coufal, Zouma, Cresswell; Fornals, Downes, Lanzini; Bowen, Benrahma, Ings.

With Rice coming off the bench as his last game for them.

Mike Morgan
230 Posted 24/05/2023 at 21:46:48
I'm just watching the film Howard's Way.

The whole squad should be made to watch this before the game on Sunday!!!

Mark Ryan
231 Posted 24/05/2023 at 22:02:08
Brighton into European Football and we're on the brink of relegation. I hope you're happy, Mr Kenwright!

What has happened to our club is not nothing short of shameful. Horrible times…

Bobby Mallon
232 Posted 24/05/2023 at 22:06:32
We need a win.

Simms and Iwobi up front Sunday, Gray one side, McNeil the other; Gana and Garner centre midfield. Back 4: Coady (right-back), Mina, Tarkowski, and Godfrey (left-back).

Pickford in goal. All sorted 3-1 to us.

Bob Parrington
233 Posted 25/05/2023 at 08:29:31
Late on to the thread here. @124 Brian and @152 Danny - yes. Great attitude. On the one hand, like most, I am sh*t scared about Sunday's game but it we win we're through. The previous failures vs Bournemouth were under Frank L, a completely different character to Sean D and so we shouldn't worry about the recent history vs Bournemouth.
Ref our recent injuries, when the chips are down we always find a way to respond and win.
Odds are in our favour - Win - we're OK, draw and Leeds/Leicester draw - we're OK. We shouldn't focus on any other permutation.

Frankly, I'd play Simms from the start and have Keane wired up to sub him if required. If there's no other choice I'd have Holgate in MF and certainly not FB. Juggle Cody in there somewhere to add Character/fight to the squad.

Here we go COYFB!

Jimmy Salt
234 Posted 25/05/2023 at 11:09:06
Looking at the fixtures: we're all at home so who would you rather play – Spurs, West Ham or Bournemouth?

I think I'd stick.

Mark Ryan
235 Posted 25/05/2023 at 11:54:22
Spurs Jimmy, even Slots turned them down. I suspect he's been given an inkling that Kane is on his way and sees there is some uncertainty at the club at this time.

Not quite in the same league as Everton's situation at this time. I just hate playing Bournemouth…

Kevin Molloy
236 Posted 25/05/2023 at 12:03:46
Under normal circumstances, you would fancy us to get the win at the weekend against Bournemouth, they're safe and it's all or nothing for us. But these are not normal times. Minus a target man, we are almost completely a busted flush.

In the 4 months since he's been here, Dyche has not managed to build any sort of credible threat going forward with Simms, Maupay or Gray. I think this is a real failing; a more astute coach would have figured out by now how to get the ball forwards with a goal threat.

You can say, 'they're just not good enough' but I don't buy that. Maupay was an outstanding player in the Championship, and a regular for Brighton for 3 seasons; we should have been able to get some sort of tune out of him. Similarly, Gray has been almost discarded. Ditto Simms, despite clearly being able to finish.

I am just not confident we get this over the line on Sunday. If we do, I suspect that, like with our other wins against Brentford and Leeds, it's going to be as tight as hell and involve a big slice of luck.

So for me, the big game at the weekend isn't our one. It's Leicester City v West Ham Utd. If the Moyesiah can get his players fully up for it, he may be able to save us all an awful lot of stress. Cos we are on a knife edge (as if it needed saying).

I have real concerns that, when that Leicester team finally absolutely need to get a result, they will. Notwithstanding our two-point advantage, I would say our chances of survival are no more than 50/50.

Ian Riley
237 Posted 25/05/2023 at 12:14:19
Rob#197 Moyes do us a favour?Why? He has a final to concentrate on and west ham are safe. Moyes will insist his team give 100%! How about we do ourselves a favour and win the match. If we lose and go down its our own doing not Moyes. Bournemouth have nothing to play for. If we can't win against a team ready for the their holidays then we deserve the championship.

Anthony Hawkins
238 Posted 25/05/2023 at 13:25:55
The side reverts to a place that we can't see where the goals coming from. Whatever happens, the striker role is something that has to be addressed in the summer.

Leicester and Leeds have to win. There's no other option for them. Everton at minimum have to draw but a win will see us safe within our own control - but that means scoring goals.

Again, over the summer, there needs to be a realistic review of the squad and how they're going to play next season as the repeat of the last couple of seasons cannot happen.

Alec Gaston
240 Posted 25/05/2023 at 21:04:27
Anthony @238,

The reality is you should replace the word 'has' for 'had' in your first paragraph.

Rob Rothwell
241 Posted 25/05/2023 at 21:21:57
Ian #237. Suggest you read my post again.
Ian Riley
242 Posted 25/05/2023 at 21:46:38
Rob#241 I have. Apologies.

Dan Nulty
243 Posted 25/05/2023 at 22:26:11
Not sure you can blame the manager for not turning Maupay, Simms and Gray into goal scoring Premier League strikers. There are only so many miracles one person can perform.
Kevin Molloy
244 Posted 25/05/2023 at 22:43:39
Gray was flying last season, Dan; now he's gone in the bin.

And Maupay was worth £15M just months ago. He's scored one goal all season. I'm not asking for miracles, just a reasonable rate of return.

Rob Rothwell
245 Posted 25/05/2023 at 23:46:31
Ian #242, no worries.

Its been a stressful week. And still another couple days plus the 90+ minutes.

Enough to make us question our sanity.

Nicolas Piñon
246 Posted 26/05/2023 at 00:59:11
Just for the lucky ones going on Sunday to Goodison Park: support the team remembering this could be the last Premier League match at the Grand Old Lady for Everton (fact above all).

Not quite sure Mykolenko will start though. Tough risking a change by bringing a player from injury with only 5 days of training under his belt to such a decisive game.

After 4 years, I'm in Europe finally now (Paris now) and I don't think I'll make it to the game. I was in London the weekend. Beautiful… but nothing as to Liverpool the city.

All who go, please (it's not a word I use often), if you're mad, direct your anger towards the board. Players are just victims of them, as the crowd is. Every single argument, or the majority of them, regarding our club and the energy they may drain is their inoperatives' fault. Take notice at least.

McNeil, Iwobi and Doucoure are my favourite players for Sunday.

Wést Ham will play hard, you can bet on that. There's no better feeling for a player than embracing a confident streak before a final.


Johan Elmgren
247 Posted 26/05/2023 at 19:36:00
It's bordering on criminal that Dyche hasn't used Simms as the go-to striker when Calvert-Lewin hasn't played. Maupay has had plenty of time to prove himself before Dyche got in, but has failed miserably. Dyche should have noticed it quickly, but he has persevered.

Now, here we are, the last game of the season, risking relegation, with a probable starting striker who can't hit a barndoor from 5 meters, let alone has the ability to get into scoring positions to be able to finish anyway.

Dyche should have played Simms every time he didn't have Calvert-Lewin available or he was substituted. That would have given the lad loads of confidence and a chance to build his match fitness, and help in gradually adapting to the Premier League.

We all have seen what he can do (the Chelsea goal) and we all know that that kind of play is missing in Maupay. We could have had Simms all ready and firing by now, full of confidence, having the trust of the manager, but he has opted for the lesser player, resulting in a worryingly toothless attack.

If he starts Maupay on Sunday, I'll be really, really worried. I think Dyche maybe also is contemplating using Gray up top, but that would also be a recipe for disaster, as that also has failed miserably, although not as hard as Maupay.

Mike Hayes
248 Posted 26/05/2023 at 20:56:05
Nicolas Piñon – just to clarify:

We are playing Bournemouth on Sunday although West Ham may play hard against Leicester – or is that what you meant? 🤷💙

Nicolas Piñon
249 Posted 26/05/2023 at 23:16:50
Mike! Indeed I meant West Ham will play seriously againts Leicester.

A certain lack of coherence in my paragraphs maybe I recognize.

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