Gbamin not looking to return to Everton

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Updated Jean-Philippe Gbamin's agent says that the Ivorian midfielder is aiming to play the final year of his Everton contract elsewhere, with a move back to Russia one of the possibilities.

Gbamin arrived at Everton in the summer of 2019 as a highly anticipated £23m signing from Mainz but his Goodison career was wrecked before it had barely begun with a serious quad injury that sidelined him for much of the first season of his five-year contract.

He returned to training the following spring and was regaining fitness as the Premier League waited to resume the 2019-20 season following the pause for the initiual outbreak of the Covid-19 pandemic only to rupture an Achilles tendon.

That kept him out of action for another long spell and his next attempted return in 2021 was undermined by a knee injury. By the time he was finally able to remain fit, he found it difficult breaking into the first team and he was sent out on loan to CSKA Moscow in February 2022.

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With his prospects of regular football at Goodison Park slim under the Blues' latest manager, Frank Lampard, Gbamin spent this season in Turkey on loan at Trabsonspor where he has played 18 times in the Super Lïg and as he enters the last 12 months of his contract, another loan is on the cards unless he can secure a permanent transfer away.

“After a loan spell at Trabzonspor in Turkey, Gbamin still has a year left on his contract with Everton, but the player will not return to the English club,” his agent Bernard Collignon told Sport24.

“Continuing [his] career in Russia? Everything is possible. In the summer, we’ll see if there will be interest from the RPL.”

Collignon later expanded on those comments and was quoted by the BBC as saying: "We will have to find another project for him. I am the one who chose Everton for him because it would have been a stepping stone to move on elsewhere.

"There was interest from Arsenal, Tottenham and even Jurgen Klopp wanted to sign him for Liverpool six months before but now Jean-Philippe wants to go back to Germany.

"It is unbelievable what has happened at Everton," Collignon continued. "Jean-Philippe is so disappointed with everything that has happened and how things have not worked out for him.

"The reason he suffered his initial injury was because he was not fit. That is why he got injured. They had to give him time and not rush him back into action.

"The club should have let him play in reserve games to achieve full fitness and also to gain confidence so that he would be ready for the intensity of the Premier League."


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Simon Jones
1 Posted 25/05/2023 at 14:59:10
If he is a superstitious kind of bloke, I'd imagine that he won't even have a pair of blue undies, such was his bad luck with injuries with us.

I guess the real reason is more financially driven.

Anthony A Hughes
2 Posted 25/05/2023 at 15:29:01
"The player will not be returning to the English club."

Isn't that our decision Mr Agent?

Don't let the door smack you on the arse on the way out, pal.

Andrew Ellams
3 Posted 25/05/2023 at 15:30:00
I'd forgotten about him.

If he doesn't want to stay, see if we can get a fee for him this summer.

Mal van Schaick
4 Posted 25/05/2023 at 15:39:36
Another tragic signing. It goes on and on. Well done Everton.
Kieran Kinsella
5 Posted 25/05/2023 at 15:42:20

If as his agent stated he goes to Russia, I doubt we will see a penny. Maybe that's part of the agent's thinking? Either way whether due to bad luck or just not being very good he has to go down as a disastrous signing.

Paul Kossoff
6 Posted 25/05/2023 at 15:43:31
So one of the worst signings we ever made now refuses to play in his last season. And soft arsed rules which favour the player means we have to pay most of his wages while he plays elsewhere.

Make him return and don't play him but have him carrying the kit for the under 21,s at Bolton on a wet Monday night. Please when this conman goes don't wish him well, because he obviously doesn't wish us the same.

Mark Ryan
7 Posted 25/05/2023 at 15:43:34
Who ? lol !
Kieran Kinsella
8 Posted 25/05/2023 at 15:53:10

In fairness, Gbamin hasn't said anything. The quote is from his agent and may well be a matter of the club having made it clear that he has no future here.

A succession of managers have overlooked him and tried to offload him for years. Personally, I thought he was rubbish pre-injury but that's different that accusing him of refusing to play.

Alan Johnson
9 Posted 25/05/2023 at 16:25:18
It's been earily quite from Chairman Bill.
Victor Yu
10 Posted 25/05/2023 at 16:27:46
Can't be worse than Davies.
Alan J Thompson
11 Posted 25/05/2023 at 16:30:14
Bring him back and see how he goes in pre-season and on that basis decide if we wish to send him out on loan or not and if as his Agent says that he will not return then simply tear up the contract, or did we cock that clause up as well.
Dean Williams
12 Posted 25/05/2023 at 16:32:34
Big miss. Not.
John Raftery
13 Posted 25/05/2023 at 16:47:46
He can’t come back. We haven’t enough space in the treatment room for any more walking wounded.
Kieran Kinsella
14 Posted 25/05/2023 at 17:01:08
In a similar vein, Iwobi is being quoted as calling Dele Alli "a joke." Terrible in training, manager couldn't trust him etc.
Sean Roe
15 Posted 25/05/2023 at 17:11:34
Good, hopefully the Everton gravy train is coming to an end with these players leaving.

If we had the money to replace, I would only be keeping Pickford, Tarkowski, Patterson, Garner and McNeil from the first-team squad.

Jeff Armstrong
16 Posted 25/05/2023 at 17:15:44
Kieran, I'm absolutely shocked by that Dele Alli assessment!
Darryl Ritchie
17 Posted 25/05/2023 at 18:01:11
Of the senior players out on loan, the only one I'd have back is Branthwaite.
Mark Taylor
18 Posted 25/05/2023 at 18:20:57
If he wants his contract terminated so he can go to Russia, no problem.

Otherwise, we decide where he plays next season.

Barry Rathbone
19 Posted 25/05/2023 at 18:26:14
Another of the athlete not footballer types which has become our forte in the Moshiri era.

When Moshiri goes, perhaps we can get back to employing footballers.

Ralph Basnett
20 Posted 25/05/2023 at 18:35:06
I didn't realise he was out of contract so can just decide he isn't coming back.

We should tell him he is an integral part of our team next year but, if he doesn't want to stay, he will have to find himself a club willing to pay or buyout his contract!

Brian Wilkinson
21 Posted 25/05/2023 at 18:35:38
Seriously, I had forgotten all about the guy.
Neil Lawson
22 Posted 25/05/2023 at 18:39:22
Not on point, but I am reading reports that the board are looking at managers to replace Dyche on the premise that he keeps us up.

May only be paper talk, but the names being touted are generally unheard of foreign managers without experience of the Premier League. Part of me says "Ignore it, it's tosh" but part of me thinks "This is modern Everton laughing stock determined to implode".

Mike Hayes
23 Posted 25/05/2023 at 18:44:59
Neil - if Dyche keeps us up then I suppose he’d deserve to start the next season BUT we can’t keep changing managers the club can’t keep giving money away as idiotically as they have been the last 7 years - so far the only asset we MIGHT have is the stadium and that’s looking dodgy 🤷
Kieran Kinsella
24 Posted 25/05/2023 at 18:47:01

Reports from L'Equipe that supposedly Everton approached Patrick Viera about replacing Dyche only a few weeks into Dyche's tenure. Sounds far fetched to me, but then again, would anything surprise you?

Pete Neilson
25 Posted 25/05/2023 at 18:50:09
Now waiting for part two of Marcel Brands “honest, it was nothing to do with me”.
Will Mabon
26 Posted 25/05/2023 at 19:08:13
Dyche has improved us. Let's see if it's enough for Sunday.

Likelihood is, if he started next season with a squad of similar levels to previous Burnley squads, we would end up as a team like – Burnley.

Kieran, the fact that such rumours even exist or cannot be decisively dismissed out of hand is testament to the modern lunacy.

Pete Gunby
27 Posted 25/05/2023 at 19:10:41
Gbamin, Sandro, Tosun, Rondon, Maupay……just a few of the many shocking signings.
Richard Lyons
28 Posted 25/05/2023 at 19:11:49
Clearly a future member of the Gwladys Street's Hall of Fame...
Andy Meighan
29 Posted 25/05/2023 at 19:42:37
Neil @22.

No one had heard of De Zerbi and look at the job he's done.

But knowing us we'd get Christian Gross's younger brother.

James Flynn
30 Posted 25/05/2023 at 20:31:02
Well, he's due something just under 4 million. So if we let him go on a free, he can work out that 4 mil or so with a new club and there's his wages off the books.

Hopefully in the next few weeks we hear something similar from Gomes' agent and get his (approximate) 6 million off the books too.

Robert Tressell
31 Posted 25/05/2023 at 21:44:49
Indeed James. Can you imagine though, 4 or 5 years ago - looking into a future where we're trying to offload for free a washed up midfield trio of Gbamin, Gomes and Alli? Back then, that midfield would have looked ready for a tilt at the title – with steel, athleticism, elegance and goals.

For Gbamin in particular, it's sad because he really did have the makings of an excellent player – and his situation is just terrible bad luck.

Gary Brown
32 Posted 25/05/2023 at 21:49:45
In fairness, Nyarko will thank him in future for making him look like a decent buy.
Christy Ring
33 Posted 25/05/2023 at 22:05:26
He has been unlucky with injuries, and probably didn't get a chance when he looked okay in last preseason, but in all fairness with 1 year left on his contract and the club paying his wages, the club will decide if he stays or goes unless someone offers to buy him.
Tony Abrahams
34 Posted 25/05/2023 at 22:19:52
I know you like to be different, Barry R, but I'm scratching my head thinking which real athletic players we have signed since Moshiri, came on board?

Doucouré maybe? Gana Gueye can definitely get about, Ben Godfrey maybe? I honestly can't think of many real athletes that we have had in the last 10 years, and because football has definitely become such a running game, I think this has been one of our biggest problems.

We can't play a high line because our central defenders haven't quite got the pace, and I think it's been this way since we never kept Kurt Zouma. We all love skill but unless you're also a proper athlete, then you just aren't going to go far in the modern game, and this has been one of our biggest problems for a very long time, imo, Barry.

Andy Crooks
35 Posted 25/05/2023 at 22:20:18
Good player who suffered an awful injury. Not his fault, just more of our appalling luck. Compounded, however, by some really poor buys.

For those who say get rid of Calvert-Lewin etc, the only club who have form for high-risk, fingers-crossed signings are Everton. Unlucky and inept is the combination that has us where we are now.

Tony Abrahams
36 Posted 25/05/2023 at 22:27:21
When you read what James says @30 then it just shows how poor our recruitment has been (I know bad injuries cannot be helped) and also how bad our finances now are at this present moment in time.

The accountant and the player – the man who just kept on giving without thought, or a care in the world – whilst his ego was getting massaged by the actor.

Barry Rathbone
37 Posted 25/05/2023 at 22:56:32
Tony 34

If I can just expound my thoughts a bit I'm getting at our penchant for buying players who struggle with footballing basics predominantly they're all about strength and/or pace. In addition to the players you mention I would add Moise Kean, Bolasie, Theo Walcott, Lookman, DCL, Onyekuru, Delph.

In retrospect I should of said we just buy flawed footballers as a matter of course. Thinking of the impact of Klassen, Snides, Gomez, Keane, Tosun, Williams, Ramirez, Martina, Iwobi, Rooney sends a shiver down the spine

Gary Brown
38 Posted 25/05/2023 at 23:04:01
Tony @ 34 - I’m thinking the exact opposite. I think we obsess about “athletes” and sign 6ft something players constantly. Gomes, Gbamin, Doucoure, Onana, Tarkowski, Mykolenko all 6ft+ players.

I think you mistake pace for athleticism. Mane had pace, Messi had pace, Gundogan has pace, Iniesta had pace, Aguero had pace. None of them (and a laundry list of others) you’d look at and think “not fighting that guy”. Most of Brighton squad 5 1/2 foot ish too.

Look at United tonight - Casimero and Eriksson dominant in a 2. Neither of which I’d call “athletes”. Indeed, I think it’s this misconception that is our undoing. Others too. Traore is an athlete. Utterly underperforming as a result of those muscles imho.

Give me Garners, McNeild, Grays, Osmans, Artetas, Baineseys, Ball; Harvey, Reidy, Inchy, any day of the week. We need BALLERs not line backs. Whatever divisions we’re in, I hope we remember this. School of science!

PS yes, I’d like a Haaland too. Utter freak. But not many other “athletes” outdo the ballers.

Pat Kelly
39 Posted 26/05/2023 at 00:01:48
We've been blessed with DOFs who have managed to unearth gems like Gbamin. And for practically nothing.
Si Cooper
40 Posted 26/05/2023 at 02:42:24
I’m with Tony on the subject that we’ve generally failed to get the type of player Gbamin was hoped to be (prime examples being the likes of Michael Essen and Moussa Dembele).

Gary B reckons being 6 foot makes you some athletic freak that we’ve targeted for physical presence and includes Gomes and Mykolenko! Do you not know anyone under 25 Gary? Average height has been climbing rapidly as the next generation has grown up. Gomes isn’t either especially tall or athletic and Mykolenko is extremely slender.

Onana is still a kid and Tarkowski should be over 6 ft simply because he’s a centre back.

Adama Traore is not a ‘’typical’ athlete, he is very specifically a short distance sprinter. I presume he is just making the most of his natural assets but he is not the epitome of the athletic type you’d be looking for in most footballers.

Usain Bolt shows the old, gangly beanpole stereotype should be consigned to history. If you are not around 6’2” / 6’’3” and properly mobile you are going to have to have some other exceptional abilities to be able to hold own as a midfielder in a helter-skelter EPL.

James Flynn
41 Posted 25/05/2023 at 02:45:56
Robert (31), I agree on Gbamin. We'll never know.

We've kicked this around a couple times already, but what the hell, in for a penny…

On the positive side, since Gbamin went out on loan 18 months ago, he's been playing and healthy; Russia and Turkey. He's missed games, but just from the bumps and bruises any player might get.

Andre Gomes is wrapping up 7 seasons of Barca / Premier League wages. Single, no kids. Unless he's been pissing money up a rope, he should be sitting pretty well financially.

I could see him go back home to Portugal to one of their top clubs. He's still the same, slow-motion but a terrific footballer.

The £6 million he's owed shouldn't be that much of a barrier to getting a deal cut if Andre is looking for a 3-year contract.

With Dele, someone needs to tell me. I have no idea or suggestion. We're not going to play him to prevent whatever the "minutes or games played" trigger is that'll force Moshiri to pay Spurs a sizable lump of cash.

Spurs, us, or Besiktas, Dele certainly has done the absolute minimum contractual requirement of showing up to practice and games in order to get his wages.

He's not going to change. So, we're going to have to just pay him another season? Is it possible there's another sucker to take him off our hands, even on loan?

And keeping Branthwaite. £325k per week invested in our centre-backs for each of the next 2 years. Long as he's been around, Holgate is still just 26. Would another club take at his current wage? Hell, would he agree to leave?

This based on us winning Sunday. If the worst befalls, God knows.

It won't be boring.

Si Cooper
42 Posted 26/05/2023 at 03:14:33
“Most of Brighton squad 5½-foot-ish too.”

Probably only Gilmour, Enciso and Lamptey decently below 5 foot 8 inches and plenty over 5 foot 11 inches if you believe their official measurements.

Sam Hoare
43 Posted 26/05/2023 at 05:51:01
Gbamin looked really good in Germany. At the time we bought him I thought it seemed an unusually sensible purchase. We’ll never know how good he might have been for us I guess.

We’ve really struggled to bed in good central midfielders over the last few years and having Gbamin, Alli and Gomes on the books this summer is testament to that. Almost £300k a week in wages right there.

Gomes had a good loan at Lille and may hopefully get offers. Alli would be best of trying to rebuild at a good championship club (if he has any desire left in him) and Gbamin will probably head on loan back to Russia or Turkey.

We will lose around £45m in transfer fees on these players.

Meanwhile Brighton bought Macallister, Caciedo and Gross for a combined £14m and their wages are less than half our trio. They will probably sell Caciedo and Macallister for a combined profit of around £100m.

Our refusal to buy any players straight from South America over the last 8 years (was Funes Mori the last one?) is quite strange.

Mark Andersson
44 Posted 26/05/2023 at 06:17:51
Talking of new managers after years of No Way... I would welcome back David Moyes.
Gary Brown
45 Posted 26/05/2023 at 06:48:42
Si, not sure why you've took such exception to me simply pointing out I'd rather buy ballers than “athletes”.

Manchester City are not a big athletic team, Brighton (with 1-2 exceptions) are not a big athletic team. United are not a big athletic team (how big is their cracking cb Martinez btw?). Arsenal, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Spain, Argentina, Brazil, the list is endless for teams I'd class as not being particularly “Essien specimin like”.

There are exceptions. I think Newcastle's success has been built on athleticism this year, and the dark side certainly had “high-octane” success for several years. Brentford also a good example of “athletes”. Most teams will have 1-2 “monsters” too, so the likely truth is a bit of a blend is needed.

I also think the point made about centre-backss needing real pace is true too. But ‘react and burst pace' over 20 yards is very different to 100m in under 10. Your man Bolt demonstrated it well when he tried his hand at the beautiful game. He was crap.

Ultimately for me, we've failed to buy people who keep and pass the ball. Maybe it's because we focus on physical attributes like you want us to, maybe it's not. For me, the ability to play football should be first on the list. Our possession stats are one of the worst in league.

Maybe if address that, we'll need less of your athletes to go chase it all the time.

Tony Everan
46 Posted 26/05/2023 at 07:11:23
Is it bad luck or a curse, coming back from a lengthy almost year long injury, then snapped his Achilles playing footy tennis, keeping him out for even longer , it just unbelievable. It’s bad luck for him and Everton , because two years out is too much to come back from at the very top of the game and be 100% the same player.

The saddest thing is not knowing whether he was a Premier League quality midfielder, he has all the potential to be one at Mainz, but we were denied any meaningful insight whether he would have been a success.

Ironically, he was brought in for £25m nearly four years ago to replace Gana Gueye who went to PSG. Four years on, and who is it that has eventually replaced Gana ?

Steve Shave
47 Posted 26/05/2023 at 07:14:04
That is our decision mr gob-shite agent! I won't jump on the Gbamin bashing here though, it was simply a case of pure back luck. The player Silva and Brands wanted and signed from Mainz looked a real prospect and I will always wonder "what if" he had stayed fit and we'd actually signed Zouma that summer.

I agree with you Sam though, the recruitment net needs to be focussed on the South American continent for value for money.

We posted at the same time Tony, saying something similar. I am inclined to feel its a curse bud!

Si Cooper
48 Posted 26/05/2023 at 08:11:10
Gary, it’s the idea that being over six foot makes you a ‘monster’ in the here and now that I disagree with, and also with your very limited view of what constitutes athletic ability (even though you bizarrely include the physically unimpressive Andre Gomes in that grouping).

Of course we want players to have technical ability but you also need them to be able to physically compete, especially in the melee of the highly contested midfield areas. There isn’t a cut-off for technical ability over six foot just as there isn’t a cut-off for athleticism below it.

Bolt wasn’t an example of a footballer, he was an example of the way that the real shift to a taller average height means more of the exceptionally tall will lack the unco-ordination that previously went with that body type. That means more in the 6’2” / 6’3” range will be true athletic all-rounders.

I agree with Tony. For some reason we always seem to fail to get the ‘real athletic players’, especially those who need to be box-to-box operators.

Paul Tran
49 Posted 26/05/2023 at 08:28:17
We have to start buying midfield players who are more robust, stronger, with the desire to get into the box and create or score goals.

Sounds simple? So why have we spent 7 years farting around with players who play one good game in five, where people go on about that great thing they did a few months ago?

Dyche picks Doucouré and Onana because they have a strong physical presence that, at the very least, gets in the way of opponents. Imagine if we had two players like that who could pass, shoot and score?

I sometimes wonder what our recruitment team actually look for in a player.

Jerome Shields
50 Posted 26/05/2023 at 09:18:21
He appeared originally to be a good purchase, but again it had turned out that Brands had taken a risk on his injury record. Brands seemed to overrate the powers of Medical Services.
James Marshall
51 Posted 26/05/2023 at 10:18:27
When playing in Russia, given the current crisis status they're in, is more palatable than playing for Everton…

I think that says everything we need to know!

Jerome Shields
52 Posted 26/05/2023 at 10:21:04
I think that Maddison would be a good purchase if Everton survive.
Terry Farrell
54 Posted 26/05/2023 at 10:51:49
Paul Tran spot on. Remember a midfield of Pienaar Fellaini osman cahill arteta. All tough all brought something to the party all scored goals. Since Martinez we have had midfield players who can play a full season and not weigh in with any goals and it is accepted! Puts a lot of pressure on the forwards!
Clive Rogers
55 Posted 26/05/2023 at 10:54:55
Jerome, he would be a good purchase, but there is no way he would want to come to us even if we survive. That is the situation we are in unfortunately.
Lee Courtliff
56 Posted 26/05/2023 at 11:35:59
Terry, when we had that midfield, people on here were whinging about things such as Leon being too "lightweight" or "powder puff" shots from Pienaar.

Cahill didn't provide enough creativity from the No 10 position and Arteta didn't turn up against the Big Boys!

What we'd give for those players now.

Terry Farrell
57 Posted 26/05/2023 at 12:39:49
Lee, yea there are always moaners.

I loved all of those players and the spirit in that team.

Denis Richardson
58 Posted 26/05/2023 at 14:18:40
Completely forgot about him. Just the £23M pissed down the drain on this one, plus the £Ms in wages as well.

Really unfortunate with injuries and we'll never know if he would have made a difference, another one to write off. I thought his contract was up this season, shame we've got to pay for another year.

Interesting thought process that, off all the leagues in the world, the agent is looking at returning him to, erm Russia?

Paul Kossoff
59 Posted 26/05/2023 at 15:08:47
We are facing possible oblivion on Sunday and the main picture and headline on here is a man who has hardly played a game for us and is so insignificant that he doesn't deserve a mention.
Dale Self
60 Posted 26/05/2023 at 15:17:25
Fish or cut bait, Paul.
Dennis Stevens
61 Posted 26/05/2023 at 15:44:19
Face of the future, Paul?
Kieran Kinsella
62 Posted 26/05/2023 at 15:57:45

Maybe they could Photoshop a picture of Kenwright with a "The End is nigh" placard?

Tom Bowers
63 Posted 26/05/2023 at 15:58:06
I also had forgotten about him and a few others who are still our players but, for one reason or another, have not figured for a long time.

Instead, we have retained players who are not good enough or brought players back who have not improved whilst out on loan.

Townsend was a decent player before he got injured and I doubt he will be a regular now, even when fit.

Gray has to start on Sunday – if only to use some speed to unsettle Bournemouth's rearguard.

We know all too well what the worst-case scenario will be on Sunday if Leicester win so we cannot even think about not winning.

West Ham may have their minds elsewhere and with nothing to play for may just field a weakened team.

I am sure Dyche will have everyone psyched up for this game but even the best-laid plans go awry as all the nerves will be with Everton unless they can start the game well.

Paul Kossoff
64 Posted 26/05/2023 at 16:04:00
Kieran, we could have had a debate on who we could have got in on a free to help us out of the non-striker shit we are in. Instead of talking about this non-entity.
Paul Kossoff
65 Posted 26/05/2023 at 16:09:24
Dale, cut him up as bait I would say, as anything else this fish is useless. Maybe he can go join the Cuban Army. 😀
Dale Self
66 Posted 26/05/2023 at 17:17:39
I don't know about the timing, Paul, but I think he is being offered as a sacrifice to our all-consuming fear and fury.

Your infidelity is duly noted.

Paul Kossoff
67 Posted 26/05/2023 at 18:48:25
Dale, right back at you! 😀
Alan McGuffog
68 Posted 30/05/2023 at 16:07:46
A rather lovely article on BBC about someone called Gbamin. Seemingly EFC ruined his life. Apparently he played eight times in blue and spent the rest of the time injured... due to the ineptitude of the Everton staff.

Imagine! Doing feck all for a few years and your employers giving you a few million. You could weep. What a twat!

Peter Gorman
69 Posted 30/05/2023 at 18:56:04
I know it is the agent talking and all that but it is still annoying as hell, even if there is an element of truth to it.

Yes, Martinez rushed him in without match fitness and probably contributed to the initial injury but how is it the physio's fault that he tore his Achilles pissing about playing keepy-uppy tennis?

Both agent and player didn't mind pocketing the wages for doing fuck-all, so why not just keep their traps shut?

Brian Williams
70 Posted 30/05/2023 at 19:57:15
When Iwobi referred to Alli as "a joke" in training, it's actually a compliment. The comment is not meant to be taken literally.

It's similar to saying "that's sick" when referring to something that's really good.

More halfwitted use of our once great language.

On a par with "Can I get" when ordering in a cafe or restaurant.

Tony Abrahams
71 Posted 30/05/2023 at 20:07:50
Gary@38, I don’t think I do mistake pace for athleticism, mate.

I asked Barry, which players I thought we had signed with athleticism, because I couldn’t think of many, and I think I could have easily asked him the same question, and changed athleticism for pace.

When Barry elaborated @37, he made a lot more sense, imo Gary, because even the ballers have to possess outstanding athleticism or pace nowadays, otherwise they will never be anything more than above average footballers, playing in a sport that seems to be getting faster every year?

I hadn’t read Si’s post@40 when I posted this!

Christine Foster
72 Posted 30/05/2023 at 21:11:58
Blame culture. It's easy, he doesn't want to come back to Everton despite his contract having another year to run. Rather than take any personal responsibility, or even admit he was unlucky, his agent blames the club for playing him when he wasn't fit. Now forgive me for a moment but who is calling who here? The player himself would know he is or isn't fit enough, he had a knee injury, a freak Achilles injury, that's just bad luck no matter how fit you are, but no, the need to blame someone else.. the club should smack a hefty transfer fee on him and put him back out on loan if they can't sell him. Sometimes our club is too easy a target fot people to blame for their own misfortune, that's not to say we could have done things better when it comes to the treatment of players,but given our managerial merry-go-round, players who could have, should have stayed, get flung off and dismissed, through no fault of their own.

By ignoring the question of whether or not a player is good enough or not fit enough, the personal preference of the next manager is always the trump card no matter how good or great you are or have been.

A string of managers dismissed any potential he had because of the situation we were in, his injury and their own personal preference.

James Rodriguez is a case in point, a few days ago it came out that on the very first day when Benitez came to the club he was told to "Go away, your too old, find yourself another club.." he hadn't even kicked a ball..

One man's meat is another man's poison, a gift or a curse, percentage blandness or individual brilliance. The route you take depends on who makes the call and let's face it, we arent blameless in that department.

Will Mabon
73 Posted 30/05/2023 at 21:21:46
Benitez - I still can't believe that ever happened. Maybe I'll eventually forget.
Kieran Kinsella
74 Posted 30/05/2023 at 21:22:15

I think Billy Kenny, George Green, Royston Drenthe and Brazilian Jo are the only players, owners, chairman, managers, coaches, agents involved in Everton within the last 40 years who took any accountability for their own failings. Even Van Der Meyde while admitting he was drunk, partying every night still somehow takes shots at the club and blaming us for the fact he was too unfit to play football. Everyone else blames someone else be it Rafa, Danny Donachie, Moyes, Brands, Mina Raiola, Paul Gregg, Keith Wyness, Birch, Mike Walker, Liverpool gangsters, etc etc

Will Mabon
75 Posted 30/05/2023 at 21:29:02

was that Iwobi comment clarified somewhere or have you assumed that, correct as it may be?

"Can I get" is an American import.

Tony Abrahams
76 Posted 30/05/2023 at 21:35:41
I don’t really like to listen to podcasts Kieran, but Billy Kenny’s definitely resonated with me because I know what type of lad he his, and I think he spoke a lot of sense (even if it’s stuff we don’t want to hear) when he asked why can’t Everton just go and get it right like our neighbours.

Nobody is really talking about sheer bloody minded professionalism, when they talk about Dyche, but I think this is something that he wants to instill into Everton, and this is as good as any tactics anyone else might be able to offer, imo, with regards to the direction I want our football club to take.

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