Carlo Ancelotti sues Everton

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Carlo Ancelotti is suing Everton in London's High Court two years after leaving for Real Madrid. 

The Italian abruptly left the Blues 18 months into his contract to return to the Bernabeu having managed the club for just one full season.

According to court records, Ancelotti's claims against Everton relate to 'general commercial contracts and arrangements'.

No further details are forthcoming in the suit which was lodged late on Friday and Ancelotti's lawyers said they had no comment while calls by The Guardian to Everton went unanswered.

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Ancelotti joined Everton in something of a coup for owner Farhad Moshiri in December 2019, taking over from Marco Silva who had been sacked three weeks previously. He steered the club to a 12th-place finish and had them in second place by Boxing Day the following season but the team's form fell away and they slumped to 10th.

Everton and their supporters were looking ahead to further rebuilding in the summer of 2021 when Ancelotti announced that he would be answering the call from his former club and returning to Madrid.


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Barry McNally
1 Posted 12/06/2023 at 15:45:24
Ancelotti now suing us!


Michael Lynch
3 Posted 12/06/2023 at 15:51:36
The Guardian reporting that with great relish as usual. Are they all RS there or are they confusing us with the Tory party?

Anyway, yet more fuckwittery from our board by the sound of it

Kevin Molloy
4 Posted 12/06/2023 at 15:59:33
Ancelotti though eh. What a greedy twat. I mean, the eleven million a year wasn't enough, getting us to the dizzy heights of 12th, ??

sickening how these vultures have fed off the carcass of Everton to shamelessly enrich themselves. All that bollocks 'do you know Crosby?'

Craig Walker
5 Posted 12/06/2023 at 16:17:51
Andy Walker
6 Posted 12/06/2023 at 16:21:24
Kevin, he may be suing us because he wasn’t paid what was promised in his contract. This may also be why he left.
Joe McMahon
7 Posted 12/06/2023 at 16:24:23
Ancelotti — Seriously, jumped ship, paid millions in 12 months, screwed us with Rodríguez (£1 million a month), and as Kevin says we finished 12th. Wasn't that our lowest finish since 2003?
Kim Vivian
8 Posted 12/06/2023 at 16:26:37
Craig - I'm guessing this is probably to do with unfulfilled hollow "promises" and fictional strategies outlined when appointing him - like our promised striker in January.

This will run and run I reckon.

Kevin Molloy
9 Posted 12/06/2023 at 16:26:43

It's possible. There's no way he wasn't getting his basic eleven pa, and this was probably an add-on. The way he treated us though, I'm betting this is him ensuring he gets every last penny from that joke of a contract.

Craig Walker
10 Posted 12/06/2023 at 16:40:02
Kids are going to school eating rubbers because they're so bloody hungry. Key workers across various sectors are sacrificing weeks' of pay to go on strike for a fair day's pay. Meanwhile, a multi-millionaire football manager who has been in the game for decades wants to take a club to court - a club from which he walked out of and left them in the lurch after mid-table mediocrity.

I liked Carlo when he was with us and he was spouting all that nonsense about loyalty etc. Turns out, he's just another greedy football bastard like the rest of 'em.

Mike Hayes
11 Posted 12/06/2023 at 16:41:43
That’s exactly what we need right now – Carlo Ancelotti suing us. Anyone else in a queue ready to kick us whilst we are down? 🤷😡
Tony Everan
12 Posted 12/06/2023 at 16:43:35
A contract is a contract, if we are liable it’s the clowns in the boardroom that rubber stamped the terms and conditions.

No one knows the details and we may have a solid defence. (Just don’t put Keane on the legal team).

Pat Kelly
13 Posted 12/06/2023 at 16:44:21
Ancelotti must've heard we got that £2.5M. He's now suing Everton in the High Court.

Nothing should surprise us about this Club. Didn't Ancelotti walk out on Everton?

Ian Bennett
14 Posted 12/06/2023 at 16:47:05
Sued now by Carlo. This is a Club that just keeps on finding new depths of mismanagement.

Next season optimism evaporating quickly.

Colin Metcalfe
15 Posted 12/06/2023 at 17:01:14
Whats that old saying "when it rains it pours" when it comes to the blues it should read "fucking monsoon"!
Jack Convery
16 Posted 12/06/2023 at 17:14:25
Dear Blue Bill & Moshiri,

I am the Old Lady, aka Goodison Park.

I thought I should let you know that I am out of here. I resign as a football ground with immediate effect.

I have accepted a contract from a source I cannot name at this moment in time. However, I can say I can no longer take being abused by you two and the cronies you employ.

I have a rich heritage and have my standards which are miles and miles above those you hold so dear, ie, being crap, buying crap, replacing that crap with worse crap.

Believe me when I say I know good teams from bad teams. I know a proper footballer from a clown, having witnessed Ball, Kendall and Harvey, Dixie Dean, Neville Southall and several teams who became League Champions / FA Cup Winners and one that won a European Trophy.

I've even seen the mighty Bayern Munich humbled… but that was so, so long ago. So that's it; I'm off. I wish you well for 2023-24 and hope Walton Hall Park or some other venue will volunteer itself to witness the mess you continue to make of my dear Everton.

Goodbye and Good Riddance.

Tony Abrahams
17 Posted 12/06/2023 at 17:14:33
Everton have been getting sued since 1999.
Will Mabon
18 Posted 12/06/2023 at 17:17:36
I rather think football is not what it used to be... and is less by the day.
Pat Kelly
19 Posted 12/06/2023 at 17:37:45
The cheque is in the post, Carlo.

ps: I've resigned, Best wishes, Denise.

Mark Ryan
20 Posted 12/06/2023 at 18:17:39
I never took to him, I always felt he ran as soon as the funds dried up and knew he was wrong man at the wrong time.

He left us floundering and now he is proving he is a shithouse and we are a crock of shit at a senior level.

Andy Crooks
21 Posted 12/06/2023 at 18:22:09
The oul fucker probably needs a few quid. Everton meant nothing to him. A hired hand who fucked off.
Anthony Jones
22 Posted 12/06/2023 at 18:55:42
Ancelotti can get to fuck.

And Kenwright needs to go.

Paul Kossoff
23 Posted 12/06/2023 at 18:58:44
Here is a damper:

Carlo Ancelotti, the Real Madrid coach and former manager of Everton, is suing the Premier League club in London's high court.

The move appears to be the latest blow to Everton, who have endured a series of financial struggles in recent years including a 3-year effort to raise funds to complete the building of their new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

Ancelotti's lawyers filed the coach's claim against his former employers late on Friday, according to court records. It relates to “general commercial contracts and arrangements” and is listed to be heard in the commercial court.

Luke Wallace-Berry
24 Posted 12/06/2023 at 19:03:19
I'm going to say it. There may be just a small whiff of a plot re the timing of Ancelotti's case. The timing of the two disclosures wreaks of a forcing of hands.

I wouldn't be overly shocked to find this High Court case dropped in the near future, or at the very least ‘settled quietly' and voila…

Maybe it's a Reàl case of “Once a Blue, Always a Blue”.

Of course, I may be completely dreaming but one always has that to cling to.

Christy Ring
25 Posted 12/06/2023 at 19:37:27
Didn't know he was stuck for a few bob, after Everton let him go back to Real.
Mick Davies
26 Posted 12/06/2023 at 19:43:17
First he screws us, then he sues us, is there any justice in this twisted, corporate led world?
Paul Hewitt
27 Posted 12/06/2023 at 19:45:42
I'd sue Carlo for breach of contract.
Denis Richardson
28 Posted 12/06/2023 at 19:54:09
We don't know the details but if he's hired lawyers he's obviously of the opinion the club didn't honour its contract some how. I'll stay off the bandwagon until further details come out (if they ever do...).

The timing is interesting though as litigation cases can throw a spanner in the works of a transaction, ie, our MSP deal. Presume it's been launched now to get maximum leverage and possibly get us to settle out of court – which is usually cheaper as the legal bills get horrendous in a short space of time.

Either way, not exactly great PR being sued by a legendary manager of the game.

Ian Edwards
29 Posted 12/06/2023 at 20:37:32
The man who lost to Liverpool's youth team, lost about 6 homes in a row, churned out the most dire, boring football since the worst of Walter Smith, and walked out of the club before we could sack the fraud, has the brass neck to sue the club.

I hope we defend it and stick him in the witness box and question him on how much work he did and if Davide actually did all the work.

Barry Hesketh
30 Posted 12/06/2023 at 20:47:44
Ian @29,

Perhaps, you have hit on the crucial detail, perhaps Carlo thought his son would automatically fill his role when he left for Madrid?

Everything isn't always about money, although it does seem to be the main reason most of the time.

Chris Leyland
31 Posted 12/06/2023 at 20:53:40
If we haven't paid him what he was owed under the terms of his contract, then why shouldn't he sue us?

I'm assuming he hasn't made up his case on a whim. I suspect he's been palmed off and told he'll get his cash but he's run out of patience.

T Blanshard
32 Posted 12/06/2023 at 21:00:48
Oh come on, be realistic how on earth is he going to survive without fleecing us?

For fuck's sake, what next? Ball boys annoyed they got hit by a ball of all things.

He can fuck right off, any respect for him went when he left us in the lurch, gobshite.

Neil Carter
33 Posted 12/06/2023 at 21:11:44
Missed his Champions League bonus this year-got to find it somewhere.

Who exactly ended the contract early?

And how much compensation was paid to us by Real Madrid?

Mike Gaynes
34 Posted 12/06/2023 at 21:32:56
From the Guardian:

Carlo Ancelotti, the Real Madrid coach and former manager of Everton, is suing the Premier League club in London's high court.

The move appears to be the latest blow to Everton, who have endured a series of financial struggles in recent years including a three-year effort to raise funds to complete the building of their new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

Ancelotti's lawyers filed the coach's claim against his former employers late on Friday, according to court records. It relates to “general commercial contracts and arrangements” and is listed to be heard in the commercial court.

There were no further details provided about the basis of Ancelotti's claim, which has kicked off two years after he left Goodison following an 18‑month spell. Ancelotti's lawyers said they had no comment. Everton have not returned the Guardian's calls requesting comment.

News of Ancelotti's claim emerged on a day of upheaval at Everton, who announced that three directors had left. The chairman, Bill Kenwright, is also thought to be preparing to leave in the next 48 hours in what is seen as a signal on Merseyside that fresh investment may finally be on its way from the New York‑based MSP Sports Capital.

Ernie Baywood
35 Posted 12/06/2023 at 21:46:25
Not a big deal. If he's contractually entitled to something and we feel differently then a court can decide.

For Don Carlo it's never personal, just business.

Tony Everan
36 Posted 12/06/2023 at 21:48:23
“The details are otherwise scarce, but Mail Sport claim that the issue is tied to a £2m bonus payment that was made to Ancelotti during his time at the club.

It is believed to be a tax problem around that payment which Ancelotti wants resolved by Everton.”

Argument over tax on his £2m bonus, he's saying Everton we're contractually obligated to pay it by the sounds of it.

What was the bonus for, any idea? I can't think of anything.

Pat Kelly
37 Posted 12/06/2023 at 22:00:07
Carlo has form in Spain for not paying tax due. He admitted to tax fraud claiming he was badly advised. Taxes are for the little people.
Philip Bunting
38 Posted 12/06/2023 at 22:07:28
The greed is truly staggering. Football needs one massive reset button to be pressed as it's out of control.

Look at Man City... it's only due to money, same with Chelsea, that they got where they are. I'd rather teams were limited the same – same transfer money and same allowance on wages – to bring it under control for all teams under Uefa or Fifa control.

One average to top player can cost £80mill plus wages, madness. Which does not mean he will perform either and every bit as likely to be sitting around Dele Alli's hippy pot table. Staggering... it really is staggering.

Mike Price
39 Posted 12/06/2023 at 22:28:02
Heard with absolute authority, he was a lazy bastard who sat in his office drinking red wine, watching horse racing while sending out his ‘well qualified' son to train a Premier League team.

We are a joke, a farce by every measure — the worst top-flight managed team on the planet.

Anthony Jones
40 Posted 12/06/2023 at 22:58:54
Mike, 39:

I can very much imagine Carlo relaxing upstairs during training.

He always appeared not really bothered to me.

Perhaps he has simply made too much money and grown old and weary.

Contrast with Moyes, who, for his sins, was over the moon to win the third tier Euro Cup the other day.

Soren Moyer
41 Posted 12/06/2023 at 23:23:12
Vaffanculo, Carlo!!!
Colin Glassar
42 Posted 13/06/2023 at 00:40:37
God help us if we are ever really audited.
Bob Parrington
43 Posted 13/06/2023 at 01:42:11
Shouldn't we be sympathetic? He didn't win the Champions League this year and so missed out on a few mil bonus. Can't feed his family, poor soul!

"Hey, Missus A, I got an idea. Everton is in the shit. I'll sue them for a few mil. While they're so busy defending FFP and reorganising the board, they'll likely settle out of court!"

Tony Cheek
44 Posted 13/06/2023 at 06:06:54
Remember him saying that Everton was a fantastic club! «Eet izza lika one beeg familee». Real rang, and he’s on a plane! …twat!
John Hall
46 Posted 13/06/2023 at 07:42:08
Greed knows no bounds.

Shafted us for millions and jumped ship at the first opportunity. One of the many crooks who have shafted us over Bungalow Bill's reign.

Showed how talented he was when we finished mid-table.

Loved the club? My ass.

Gobshite of the highest order.

Pete Clarke
47 Posted 13/06/2023 at 07:53:47
Bollox to this. I'm pretty skint so may as well have a go and sue Kenwright for years of torment and suffering.

I can then move back home, buy a little pad near town and then put the rest of my ill-gotten gains back into Everton season tickets for more torment and suffering.
Alan J Thompson
48 Posted 13/06/2023 at 09:59:37
I wonder when he was approached by Real Madrid and if it could be seen as "tapping up" and could Everton ask for compensation comparable to the value of the rest of the contract? Also if Ancelotti was in breach of contract if he initiated contact with Real.

I suppose you have to ask if any promises made are actually in the written contract and if he resigned before Everton had opportunity to fulfill those promises and if those promises are null and void if it meant Everton breaching the Premier Leagues P&S regulations and should Ancelotti have made himself aware of such restrictions.

Then comes the nasty bit of who actually interviewed him for the position, where and when.

Christopher Timmins
49 Posted 13/06/2023 at 10:14:15
The hits just keep on coming!
Michael Lynch
50 Posted 13/06/2023 at 10:17:13
On the one hand, if he's owed money, then he is owed money.

On the other hand, he was the one who fucked off, he is wealthy beyond his wildest dreams, he is manager of the greatest club in the world.

Seems to me it's a bit like a rich man divorcing his wife and running off with a supermodel, then taking his ex-missus to court for his share of the cutlery.

Pete Neilson
51 Posted 13/06/2023 at 10:18:17
Maybe he just wants to recoup £1.2M tax that he had to pay back after being found guilt of fraud. Taxes are only for the little people.
James Marshall
52 Posted 13/06/2023 at 10:45:59
If he has a gripe with Everton over his contract, then he's in the right to sue the club.

Just because he's loaded doesn't mean he isn't due what was due to him contractually. People can complain but being rich doesn't mean you just start throwing money away – if you do that, well, you won't be rich for very long.

It's a moral issue – it doesn't matter if you're owed £50 or £1M. The club gave him the contract, and if they owe, they owe.

Jerome Shields
53 Posted 13/06/2023 at 10:53:23
If he feels that Everton have not honoured their contract, he has every right to take them to court.
Ray Jacques
54 Posted 13/06/2023 at 12:40:45
If he believes he has a case then he is entitled to sue.

If I do work for a client and they refuse to pay up, should I just let them get away with it because I don't need the cash?

The fact that he has millions has nothing to do with it. If it goes as far as court, then the truth will out.

On the other hand, I should sue EFC over the motto 'Nothing but the best is good enough', now that's false pretences.

Denis Richardson
55 Posted 13/06/2023 at 12:46:15
Wow, amazing amount of vitriol on this comments board, seemingly aimed at Ancelotti just because he's rich. If he's been wronged by the club, why can't he go after what he's owed?

Likewise, if the club hasn't put a foot wrong, they should fight against it. Let the lawyers sort it out. Someone's wealth should have no impact on their right to justice if [supposedly] wronged – a lot of envy on this board.

Very fickle bunch too – I can remember most being over the moon when he came, bringing the likes of James. The football Everton played the first few months with James, Calveret-Lewin and Richarlison up front was a joy to watch. In fact, I remember we were top of the table after the first few games. Calvert-Lewin also somehow turned into an Inzaghiesque poaching machine.

All seems to be forgotten and clouded by unnecessary bitterness imo. Even some comments saying it was the worst football since Walker – not sure what football is being referred to as it certainly wasn't what I was watching.

Also, the home/away ties were massively impacted by not having a crowd so for those pointing to home losses, they're conveniently avoiding the away wins.

No right-minded person would turn down Madrid if offered the job so can hardly blame him for leaving – even if he instigated the process. Where would you rather work in the football world if you have no ties to Everton or Liverpool city for that matter? Especially having to work for Kenwright and the other amateurs running the club?

I'm still amazed Moshiri managed to bring in someone of his standing to the club, to be honest. Certainly helped put us more on the map, however briefly.

We have much bigger fish to fry.

Gary Brown
56 Posted 13/06/2023 at 12:53:52
I was fumin' over this yesterday – mostly because I liked Carlo and this felt like a kick in the teeth we don't need.

However, others are right – if it's owed it's owed… and let's face it, with this board, it's far more likely to be our balls up.

We need to see detail, of course. Chances are this ain't simply whether the notice period included accrued holidays. More likely around something horrible like image rights. Time will tell.

Paul Tran
57 Posted 13/06/2023 at 12:58:25
It wouldn't surprise me if this lot tried to get away with not paying Ancelotti what he's due.

I've sued clients for unpaid work before and wouldn't hesitate to do so again. So I don't blame him.

All will come out in the coming weeks. I predict we'll settle just before it goes to trial.

Part of me would love it if he forwent what we owe him and spilt the beans on how these idiots ran our club.

Barry Rathbone
58 Posted 13/06/2023 at 13:30:06
If we've been shifty on agreed payments, I don't blame him in the slightest – that's business.

But he was a mad appointment, the positive to the Benitez negative – both totally unsuited to the task at hand.

Carlo, a finished article manager, and Benitez from the wrong side of the tracks – but both "Hollywood". A matter of great importance to blockheads like Moshiri.

Mick O'Malley
59 Posted 13/06/2023 at 13:31:08
Denis @55,

I completely agree, we were playing some good stuff, as you said even Calvert-Lewin was scoring (no other manager has got him to score regularly). Spirit of the Blues got brought out of the Everton Top 10 hits and there was a bit of a feel-good factor for a few months.

Then Van Dijk assaulted James and everything just tailed off in typical Everton fashion, but I'll always thank Carlo for ending our 20-year wait for a win at Mordor.

John Pendleton
60 Posted 13/06/2023 at 13:40:29
I have it good authority that the issue is Bill refused to pay out on a £1 bet that Carlo would get a win at Anfield. He considered it not the Everton way and that ‘good times' should be part of a misty-eyed rock'n'roll past, not in the present or future.

He also didn't like how Carlo, at the first attempt, succeeded in what Moyesie failed to do in 20. Put him in a bad light, dear boy.

James Hughes
61 Posted 13/06/2023 at 14:02:44
We did not play good football under Carlo, maybe time is playing tricks on your mind.

In general the football we played was negative at best it was Itailan KITAP1. We could all see that surely?

In his first (half) season we had europe in sight and he delivered 5 points out from 18, or 5/18 in the final six games. Thrashed 1-3 by B'mouth on the final day of the season, when they were already relegated.

Second (full) season after a promising start we were top of league at the end of September, Such joy but feck all is won then.

But again with Europe in sight we finished with 7/18 including that amazing we don't give a fuck 0-5 spanking by Citteh on the final day.

We finished 3 points behind Spurs but with a massively minor goal difference. Europe missed again by lack of effort

So in my opinion the man who said he is not a magician and when he went to RM for no compo and than slagged us off and called us a Fiat Punto, Well he can go fuck himself and that said from the bottom of my heart, or the heart of my bottom as both apply.

If we owed him a fiver, I would still tell him to fuck off. £11m per year to get us into Europe and he failed.

Sorry for the rant.

Eric Haworth
62 Posted 13/06/2023 at 14:41:52
James #61 I'm with you to an extent, and glad to see someone else has actually seen the “King's not wearing any clothes”?

This isn't 20/20 hindsight either, coz during those games we could attend during his tenure, the good ones were few and far between. In fact, the topic of debate among regular attendees in our section was the fact that when playing similar stuff under Fat Sam, the banner towing light aircraft were out in force.

So let's not don the blue-tinted specs and rewrite history. He was by no means the worst we've had, but he certainly wasn't anywhere near the best either, and that goes for those he brought with him.

As for the club owing him money, if it's ended up in the High Court in London, then you can only assume it's followed due process and been subject to expensive haggling between the respective lawyers over the past 2 years, with him claiming he's owed X and us claiming it's Y, before it's finally ended up in front of the judge.

None of us know the merits of this stand-off one way or the other, all I would say is that having a son who's experienced in Sports Law, I'm simply amazed at the way he was allowed to just dump us in the fashion that he did and walk away unscathed, (contractually and financially that is) because any self-respecting lawyer would've had that more than covered in his contract?

So it would seem this isn't necessarily one to be laid at Ancelotti's door, (if he's owed it, he's owed it) it's moreover another one that comes back to the second highest paid hierarchy in the Premier League, don't you just love em?

Jamie Crowley
63 Posted 13/06/2023 at 15:11:22
Carlo never seemed to me to be the type of sour grape that would just Trumpesque sue all and sundry.

I'd guess he was contractually entitled to a bonus payment and we didn't pay it.

We probably owe him the £2 million, and my guess, conjecture mind you, is we'll need to pay up. They might negotiate downwards as Carlo left abruptly, but we most likely owe him the money under contract, and we'll end up paying.

Kevin Molloy
64 Posted 13/06/2023 at 15:18:19
The £2M will be for keeping us up that first season. No doubt Moshiri at Christmas was panicking again, and said 'and another £2M if you keep us up'.

I don't care if he is owed it, he is one greedy bastard.

Jamie Crowley
65 Posted 13/06/2023 at 15:26:14
I just don't see how, if Carlo is legitimately under contract owed this money, it makes him greedy?

You enter into contract, you fulfill the terms. It's not morally proper to do otherwise.

Everton are a "proper" Club, no? Something we can all be proud of in the way it conducts itself? If so, and they promised money, Everton need to live up to the terms they agreed to and pay Carlo. It's that simple, Carlo-greed has literally nothing to do with it.

Eric Myles
66 Posted 13/06/2023 at 15:28:58
According to Wikipedia:

"The High Court deals at first instance with all high-value and high-importance civil law (non-criminal) cases."

So it seems like it's going to be a significant issue.

Will Mabon
67 Posted 13/06/2023 at 15:31:18
Mick @ 59,

top of the league, playing great football, scoring well (to media silence), then James clattered (to media silence), Richarlison banned, Pickford ridiculously vilified due to VVD incident (media hugely interested). VAR didn't deliver for RS.

Then that was that. The team had that Everton look return. The playing style totally changed, gone even when playing staff were available again, save for one short period.

I found it all rather suss.

Kevin Molloy
68 Posted 13/06/2023 at 15:33:41
It makes him greedy Jamie cos we gave him a golden contract on the understanding that we would get a bit of loyalty back in return. And what happened was he rinsed us dry, blew the budget, and walked out as soon as he could without a backward glance leaving us with a bunch of over-the-hill mercenaries.

I'm not saying he isn't entitled to the money, but his behaviour as a human being is pretty rancid. Football clubs aren't banks, he was given a huge amount of goodwill. and is now, from his lofty perch at Real Madrid, suing us for his 'survival bonus'.

Fuck him.

Jamie Crowley
69 Posted 13/06/2023 at 15:37:59
Kevin -

I get it. Carlo's departure stunk. He fucked off immediately the second his mistress winked at him. You don't have to like the way he left. I don't!

But if we contractually owe him money, you gotta pay it. To not do so is breaking terms of a contract and simply unethical and immoral.

I expect more from Everton, no matter how shitty the departure was.

You owe, you pay, especially contractually. You can be hard done by and be bitter, but if you owe, you pay. It's a simple thing. Without the social institutions that bind promises, chaos ensues and no one can trust anyone. You gotta pay.

Stinks. But I don't see this as a greed issue at all. The man is owed money, my guess is it's legitimate in the terms of the contract both parties agreed to, so you plug your nose and pay up.

Martin Mason
70 Posted 13/06/2023 at 15:57:32
Soccer, the totally unacceptable face of crony capitalism hidden in the working class clothes of the fans. We pay for their excesses and yet the game is about as related to us as people as contract bridge.

We still live in the era pre-'60s when selecting to support a club came free of encumbrances but it isn't true any more. We support the corruption and crony capitalism that is the modern game and that very few of us can ever be associated with.

Why do we still support it when it isn't a game now?

Andrew Grey
71 Posted 13/06/2023 at 16:00:29
Why hasn't anyone blamed Tom Davies for this yet?
Jamie Crowley
72 Posted 13/06/2023 at 16:06:28
Andrew -

Carlo wanted Davies at Real. We wouldn't sell. It embittered Carlo so he's now on a scorched earth campaign suing Everton. 😜

Will Mabon
73 Posted 13/06/2023 at 16:11:13

I have to agree, largely. But, it all comes down to match day and the 90 minutes on the pitch, where the peripheral shit can be mostly forgotten. The football.

This is why I don't like the political/social causes garbage and the digital encroachment of VAR because they manifest the tentacles.

In theory, though, we do have the option to walk away, but...

Kevin Molloy
74 Posted 13/06/2023 at 16:30:04
Jamie, yes, I don't mean to argue against the system. But I actually don't for once mind Everton's approach here.

A lot of people think Carlo is a top bloke, but I like Everton's stance "Yes, we owe you it. But you'll have to sue us, Dickhead."

Jamie Crowley
75 Posted 13/06/2023 at 17:31:51
Kevin -

I'm still bitter over Carragher's rape against Lescott.
I'm still bitter over Son's tackle on Gomes.

I get it. I'm not saying you're bitter per se, just that I understand the anger.

I'd just take the high road and be done with it. And I'm not hinting at the fact I always take the high road – I definably do not. Just in this instance do what you're morally obligated to do and move on.

Sometimes you get screwed, and there's an awful aftertaste.


Nigel Munford
76 Posted 13/06/2023 at 18:16:42
See the limpets still clinging on!!!
James Hughes
77 Posted 13/06/2023 at 18:30:00
Jamie, Alas that is the sore point for me. As you and many others rightly say, if we owe him the money then we have to pay up. I have held an employer to count in the past for the same thing, albeit on a very much smaller scale
Just one more on the long list of being a proper club and as it was said - What would Everton do ?
Dale Self
78 Posted 13/06/2023 at 20:06:37
If the Lardos are going after Carlo trying to preserve his promised share of stadium lucre then I may as well weigh in with some opinion unfettered by research or context. Chris Leyland and Tony Everan are right (Jamie is over his right limit). If there is some contractual obligation Everton agreed then it should not get written off with a change of ownership.

I don’t know if it some on the side stadium deal but the timing is somewhat curious and look, Guardian is there to deliver the message. General commercial and arrangement have me thinking I’m not far off.

Ray Jacques
79 Posted 13/06/2023 at 22:37:40
Kevin, it's called business and the real world as I am sure you know.
Don't play the victim, that's for others.
He negotiated a contract and Everton agreed to pay him, did you expect to work for nowt.
Gavin Johnson
80 Posted 14/06/2023 at 01:08:39
Doesn't Darren Hind come on ToffeeWeb now?? I thought he'd be all over this article
Mike Gaynes
81 Posted 14/06/2023 at 01:18:54
Gavin, he's out of contract.
Christine Foster
82 Posted 14/06/2023 at 09:23:10
I would happily look in my coat for a fiver and gladly hand it over to him for that win against the RS, as would thousands of others. It was worth every penny to relive that James pass and Richarlison's finish.. Pay the man and have done..
Dave Abrahams
83 Posted 14/06/2023 at 09:30:28
As Everton FC is brassic at the moment can they apply for legal aid to defend their case against Ancelotti?
Tony Waring
84 Posted 14/06/2023 at 12:50:34
I may be wrong but I thought that Carlo left of his own volition in which case he left us in the lurch. In such circumstances why should we be obliged to pay him if he failed to fulfill his part of the bargain ?
Justin Doone
85 Posted 14/06/2023 at 12:51:56
This is unwelcome but in all honesty I would say this is more likely to be another mistake by Everton.

We know nothing of his contract but I was very surprised he was able to leave Everton so quickly and easily without any compensation in this day and age.

Who writes our contracts, who approves them? I'm guessing Bill is involved.. why has he not left yet?

Andy Mack
86 Posted 14/06/2023 at 13:11:25
I'd love to know what his contract entailed too, he signed on for four and a half years and left after eighteen months, with no compensation paid by Real F-ing Madrid?! Then whatever 'gentleman's agreement' we must have curtseyed too, gets turned around and sees us in the high court?! Everton really are top tier at something, anyway.
Colette Black
87 Posted 14/06/2023 at 14:41:27
I was delighted when he arrived, and despondent when he left so abruptly – more so when his successor was announced (argh!).

But – there was always something slightly surreal about Ancelotti’s appointment. We were floundering and the limitations of our squad and spending power were apparent. He was a manager used to working with superstars. Sure, he talked the talk and made out that he had bought in emotionally – but did he really?

Things began to go awry towards the end of his tenure. I recall him lambasting the players after we lost to (soon-to-be relegated) Sheffield United. I think it was with about 4/5 games to go. It was the first time I’m aware of that he condemned the players publicly (I could be wrong). Before that, he flattered them to an almost obsequious, and certainly incredulous, degree – general contract arrangements? With his marked shift in attitude, I remember thinking that, rather than frustration, it might reveal a change in loyalty. Certainly, the teams’ effort towards the end of that season was like watching a balloon slowly deflate – which closely mimicked Ancelotti's own lack of commitment. I fully expected the drubbing by Man City at the end. Who knows what machinations were in play?

You'd have to wonder if the club forced Ancelotti’s hand by breaking their commitments – perhaps likely given the performance of Moshiri and the board. But why would Moshiri mess around someone he clearly wanted so desperately? Was there a raft of gentleman’s agreements? I’d like to say it will all come out in the wash – but we’ll probably only ever get half-truths whatever the outcome.

If there’s no substance to his claims, maybe the club could counter-sue Ancelotti for already having one eyebrow in Madrid before he left. Then again, who’d back Everton vs Ancelotti’s brows?

Tony Waring
88 Posted 14/06/2023 at 16:28:52
Colette I never imagined he could be "highbrow". I always thought of him as one of the lads !
Billy Shears
89 Posted 16/06/2023 at 04:57:12
Always hated this greedy twat... the "Genius" that was fucking clueless in the 2005 Champions League Final.

Useless prick... another Moshiri balls-up!

Billy Shears
90 Posted 16/06/2023 at 05:02:28
So how much money is enough, eh Carlo?

The ugly face of "The Beautiful Game".

Colin Glassar
91 Posted 16/06/2023 at 06:48:57
Who knows what he was promised by our two charlatans on Usmanov's boat? I hope he has recordings, or something in writing, to take these two clowns to the cleaners.

Take them to court, Don Carlo, and show the world what a pair of dickheads these two are.

Pete Clarke
92 Posted 16/06/2023 at 07:02:42
One more costly mistake by our board and owner who should know how to get documents signed to cover all parties. As we have learnt, it is something they deal with like they are running a sweet shop.

They have obviously promised Carlo something because they were in awe of him but, having said that, we were hardly setting the world alight and he just fucks off back to the club that sacked him. He doesn't need the money so I'm hoping he gets nothing from us. The greedy fucker.

I remember after Martinez's first season and Kenwright got all light-headed and wanted to sign him up for an extra few years on top of his 5-year deal. Another shit show that was. How long is their list of cock-ups?

Philip Kaye
93 Posted 17/06/2023 at 11:25:07
I guess he is cross he didn't get the usual payout managers gets when they are sacked due to poor performance.

Perhaps he forgot that he broke his contract and what he says is meaningless.

Stephen Davies
94 Posted 22/06/2023 at 20:25:26
Michael Lynch
95 Posted 22/06/2023 at 21:34:45
The Guardian again. It's getting beyond a joke - someone high up at that paper must have caught his missus shagging Dele Alli.
Pete Neilson
96 Posted 22/06/2023 at 22:36:49
It gets murkier.

A promise by someone without the legal authority to do so for an achievement that wasn't made.

Tony Everan
97 Posted 22/06/2023 at 23:07:38
So what they are saying here (based on dubious info) is that Ancelotti was offered a bonus by Usmanov if he finished… wait for it... top half of the league. Which he did fist time, just about, 10th, followed by 12th.

Everton are saying “do one, this was not sanctioned by the club, but by a sponsor not acting on our behalf”.

Carlo's miffed and now his legal team are banking on this being settled out of court to make it go away.

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