Everton to make decision on Dele Alli injury

Something beyond football is afflicting Dele Alli.

"The fans had high expectations. Knowing that Dele Alli was once valued at 100 million euros, fans expect a lot of goals and assists, which is not easy in the Turkish league.

"We thought he would be more proactive, work harder and fight for the team, but that was not the case. Eventually the coach started using other players and then Alli stopped struggling. He can't handle adversity."

The last thing Dyche needs is a flash, lazy bastard who seems to have no interest in football on the training pitch when he's trying to build a team that can compete in the Premier League

Iwobi basically admitted Dele's a terrible trainer, Dyche won't tolerate laziness, and the club won't want to trigger the appearance fee unless his impact on the pitch is undeniable.

That being said, if Dyche thinks he can get a tune out of him, I'm happy to let him try. Too often a new manager comes in and completely dismisses certain players, which is how we get into this never-ending cycle of dead wood.

Everton's interests have to come first. Dyche is being fair – get fit prove yourself again in training and maybe there are 6 games to see if you can still do it.

If not, go do something else – football career over.

Nobody is going to pay it, least of all Everton. With the deal in place Everton have no motivation to invest time and effort get him fit mentally and physically, we just have too much else to deal with.

The same goes for the player, he will fully know he isn’t going to play because the fee will never be paid. His mindset from the start is, why should I bother?

If Levy has any decency and compassion he will do the right thing by a player who is really struggling. He needs to give him some sort of a chance to rehabilitate.

I fear it may already be too late and the path back is too arduous. I sincerely hope not though, as shining talent wasted is one of the saddest things in life.

I read an article yesterday where Martinez says the problem with that stiff from Nice is that he's too good to be an English footballer. There's no position for him in the English game where he can show his natural ability.

That's a shame

Make of it what you will.

“He can't handle adversity.”

Alli is the quintessential opposite of a Dyche player. I'd be staggered if he became a regular fixture for us.

Best case scenario is he gets fit and some club in Saudi, China, MLS can be persuaded to take him based on his previous reputation; most likely on loan covering a portion of his £100k per week deal.

IMO, much of it comes from hanging around with the wrong crowd, in the first instance. What follows tests mental strength and this can be difficult to repair – aka Bazza!

I'd trust Sean Dyche to handle this well and make the right decisions for Everton and, per chance, Dele himself.

I've seen enough to know that the dark arts have control of him. His head is no longer in the game. His body is certainly not at Premier League standard.

A small millstone for the club at the moment. Move on…

It seems to be clear that Dele Alli has a host of mental issues. It seems unlikely that he will ever be able to overcome them. Sad.

Too much expectation too young? Like a lot of young players thrust into the glare of the Premier League with the expectation they are the finished article at a very young age?

Reading Dyche's words, he has been offered an olive branch.

This now seems down to whether the player wants it or walks away and doesn't want to play football anymore.

I would just like to see the back of him; he is yet another embarrassment and we need to cut our losses and move on.

I know we can't afford world-beaters but a Brentford style team of unknowns who can give any team a game and help us make Goodison a fortress, would do me as a starting point. Journeymen has-beens is not the way we should go.

To not repeat the past two seasons we need to win a lot more matches at Goodison. There are enough teams in the league against whom we should be looking to win our home matches: Luton, Sheff United, Burnley, Forest, Bournemouth, Palace, Fulham etc.

Dele Alli is one of those players who might be up for it maybe 1 in 5 games. No thanks.

We know that Alli can put in a performance as he showed us vs C Palace last year so in my mind that remains a slight, although possibly forlorn, optimism.

There are a few managers who may or might have been able to rehabilitate and get a tune out of the guy - eg SAF, Bielsa, De Canio, Simeone and possibly - very possibly Sean Dyche. These are guys who will call it like it is, jettison wasters and shown to be able to motivate players with the potential.

As someone above said - this is an olive branch for Alli and it will be up to him if he accepts it. It would mighty refreshing to see something actually work at Everton, but I am not holding my breath on this one.

Never thought I would ever see that.

Papers reporting we have reached an agreement with Rice. Was not Declan but the backeoom guy from Southampton. We need to flood the papers with news that Everton and Messi have reached an agreement, we have agreed he is not coming to GP. Roll on August.

Yea, here it is, from the Express, where they reference The Times article:

The England international was forced to undergo surgery on a hip injury in April but now he is looking to wipe the slate clean once he has returned to fitness.

More fake news, I suppose?

Dele Alli is a typical example of the mismanagement by those entrusted with negotiating deals for our club.

Coady was allowed to leave and the explanations given seem sound enough. However, is/was that based on inside knowledge that Branthwaite will be staying? Is so, ok. If Branthwaite leaves, Coady at £4.5m will come back to bite us. I hope I'm wrong and that SD was 100% involved in the decision to let Coady go.

If there is a bigger plan fine, but I don't feel comfortable with the silence until Kenwright is no more.

Was it Lampard, Moshiri, Kenwright? Little Miss Dynamite? Thelwell? I seem to remember, at the time, Lampard was credited with pursuading Dele to come to us. If so, perhaps he'd like to chip in to cover the wages for another season?

Anyway, once again proof that only Bill actually thinks our dearly departed board was competent.

I see that the Daily Fail are now reporting that Jose Mourinho and Roma are preparing a £20M deal to buy Branthwaite, due to his availability. Since when has Branthwaite been available for transfer? Yet more bullshit from one of the daily scumbag rags.

This lad could really play and if he could find that again we'd have a world beater.

It's not going to happen is it ?
I sense somethings afoot. Staying on as Honorary Bell-End or some such nonsensical title. I hope not. C'mon, put me out of my misery God

Dele has the wrong people around him. Clearly. All gold diggers. Once he is finished he wont see them for dust.
If he really does want to scratch the recent past and start again he needs a mentor. Psychological support and a bodyguard to hoof those leaches.
A complete change of personal life and refocus on the now and his natural talent.

Maybe we made a mistake signing him.
as we are not a top six club machine with infinite reserves in europe every season, and potless, we can look at this as an opportunity (as with the changes underway at the top)
Dont forget he is here. He is a person. Albeit troubled.
Its a huge task to help this kid.
But aren't we the peoples club ?

As for his contract. Moshiri outlined the process in his horrendous interview a few months back..
The manager goes to Thelwall with a list of needs.
Thelwall then "finds" suitable players and converses with the manager.
They then submit "an application form" to The Chairman who then processes the request.
Once all the details are completed on the contract and fees (by The Chairman) he (Moshiri) rubber stamps the deal.
Nowhere was DBB mentioned by Moshiri in this process.
It was The Chairman. End of.
So this ludicrous contract was Kenwrights doing.
Which is no surprise as he has the worst reputation in contracts and player fees in the history of this club.

IMO things are not going to change dramatically (player wise ie purchases) for us over the next few seasons.
We are in this cluster fxxk situation and there is no windfall coming our way.
The events yet to happen regarding the announcement of personnel at board level to steer Everton out of this financial, commercial and footballing catastrophe can only be positive.
No one can do worse.

Sean Dyche has rejuvenated a playing ethic which is actually exciting at times.
I no longer dread match days.
The best players MUST STAY.
Selling them is madness.
Who for ? Who would come ?
Worse players on greater wages.
Get real.

What is obvious is that HOME DEVELOPING is OUR only choice for the foreseeable future.
Our entire youth / reserve system is pants. No one is good enough to improve a relegation side - Everton.
Everyone should be shown the door including those responsible for recruiting and running teams. They have all failed.
Close it down and rebuild from scratch if necessary.
Set a basic standard. Players MUST have first time control. One touch passing ability, speed and stamina.
If they don't then don't accept them.

Phew.
Anyone still awake ???

The protagonists do not want to know now and definitely would not want an investigation. Dyche has been left with the mess, with a player who will sit like a stone on his contract. Alli's recovery is a small town outside wishful thinking.

I don't hold any hope of Dele's revival. I just hope a Saudi club wouldn't mind him as a mascot.

Dyche will make his own mind up on Dele, but I can't see a person who learns from their mistakes or wants to change their lifestyle. As a relatively young multi-millionaire I can't blame him wanting to enjoy life whilst healthy and young.

He wants to keep his cake and eat it. If this was 20 or 30 years ago he'd get away with it. Until he admits to himself that he needs a lot of help to rediscover the athletic footballer or that he's no longer an athletic footballer.

Levy will do nothing to help Everton and why should he. It's Everton's mistake (added to a huge long list of them) and like Dele the board have proven they are unable to learn from their mistakes. Mr Kenwright, please remove yourself asap!

At his age, I can't see his character changing. He was given a last chance when he joined us but he pissed it away. We are stuck with him and his ridiculous wages for the next year, thanks to Lampard and Kenwright. He sums up everything that has been wrong with Everton these last 10 years.

As others have said, he is the epitome of how we are always stitched up like a kipper on transfer deals. A no- to low-risk punt might have been acceptable but £5M a year on a full contract? You must be joking – that is money we could have put to much better use had we employed anyone who knew about football.

Worse still, we agreed a fee that meant, unless Dele hit the ground running – unlikely – we were going to be heavily disincentivised for trying to get him anywhere near match-ready.

Genius stuff from Frank and our hapless Chairman. I imagine Levy would be dining out for years on how he stitched us up.

Maybe we cannot expect Levy to help Everton but we would be asking him the help a player who was a star at Spurs a few years ago.

I sincerely hope you're right on the Branthwaite situation; otherwise, we've let Coady go, which would have been a short- to medium-term fix, to keep us out of the mire (again) for £4.5M.

I'm sure Dyche has alternatives in hand, but it's worrying that teams are dangling enticing fees (£20M media hype) for his signature.

Can Dyche get a tune out of Dele Alli? One hell of a gamble, and can he prove his value in 7 starts, before triggering the £10M clause with Spurs!

I trust Sean Dyche… but who or what is he dealing with?

In terms of whether or not Branthwaite is available for transfer or not, I suspect that our entire squad is available for transfer for the right price – or even the wrong price in about 50% of cases.

We are still very much fighting financial fires and I worry that, in the absence of wholesale change to our ownership in the next fortnight, we'll need to offload around £50 million worth of player(s) before 30 June just to have the books sufficiently balanced to ward off any additional claims of financial mismanagement.

You put your money down and roll the dice. Sadly, we crapped out. In the rear-view mirror it looks like a foolish bet, particularly in light of what has happened to the club financially since then. But at the time I thought it was a worthwhile wager.

No doubt Chairman Bill paid and claimed it on expenses as well.

Shame really, such a waste of talent.

It is not a 'hard' drug but the Govt are looking to criminalise

One thing is, he seems to have lost his love for football and no matter what club he is at. I wish him well

Sadly, this club is anything but balanced, and the deal that was done meant that playing Dele Alli was like lighting the fuse on a financial explosion that the club was terrified of having to deal with. I expect the impact of that reality was incredibly demotivating for Alli; get fit, play well, but then if you do really well you'll have to be benched because we don't want to pay Spurs any extra money. On reflection, it was doomed to fail from the start because of those clauses. I feel sorry for Dele Alli. I hope he manages to get his playing career back on some sort of track, wherever that might be, and completely free from the shackles that Daniel Levy has put on his career.

So you weren't a fan of Lukaku then!

Delle isn't and has never been a humble person and instead of taking Mourhino's advice to train harder totally ignored him and played the victim.

The only mental health issue he has is that he believes all the hype and wants the lifestyle without putting the hard yards in.

I could never understand why we went for him in the first place but guess it was because there was no initial payment a classic Kenwright tactic which then comes back to bite you in the arse.

Eric #61.
I see you lifted my quote from :-
HOME DEVELOPING is OUR only choice for the foreseeable future.
Our entire youth / reserve system is pants
My aging memory and failing eyesight may let me down occasionally, but I don't recall us having Mr L as a youngster

Without his impact in the second half in the critical Palace game that kept us up, we may very well have been relegated. For that alone, we can be thankful for Deli Alli.

It seems clear he has some demons. I read he had a very troubled childhood, through circumstances beyond his control. I have not trodden his path, so I am hesitant to judge too harshly on his apparent lack of application.

I wish him well in his quest to return to fitness. I trust Dyche to make the right call from there.

Only the player himself can prove if he has the focus and application needed to make the most of his last few years in what should be his prime physically as a footballer.

He likely has a mountain of money, good luck to him. I hope he does not also finish his career with a mountain of regret.

Ability is unquestioned. I wish him well in finding a way to maximise his footballing ability on the pitch in this critical crossroads point of his career as a top level player.

The likes of Andy Van De Meyde, Royston Drenthe, Lee Sharpe and countless others finished their careers with far too little success and far too much regret. I fear Deli Alli will be in the same boat, surrounded by a sea of regret one day. I hope he proves me wrong though. Good luck Deli.

I know people can perform both because or in spite of their apparent character, and perform he certainly did for a time; ironically he was anything but fragile on the pitch. Maybe the golden period was the anomaly?

I wonder what would be the effect on his motivation if he suddenly had no money.

Of course we don't know how he's being operated in the background by agent and advisers. Perhaps he'd already be gone or would rather be, without their influence. He's still generating money for others which skews things. It's unfair to the clubs involved too.

It seems other clubs are very good (and our club is very poor) at allowing them to dump their has-beens on us. Every year, we're linked to some poor sod at United who can't get a game. Hey, sell him to Everton, they're desperate !!

We've pissed away so much money on these wasted purchases/chances that you'd think we'd have learned our lesson by now.

I think Dele Alli is done. I saw a post earlier saying pawn him off on MLS. MLS has improved to the point where he wouldn't make it there either.

6 appearances before anything is due to Tottenham so see if we can get him fit this summer and able to give something to the team. Given how threadbare the squad is, if (big if I know) Dyche can get him to be half the player he was before, he'd be worth a lot more than £10m and we've have another player.

Either way we're likely stuck paying his wages for the season so lets see if SD can work some magic. If not. then a loan somewhere or just terminate his contract at xmas and call it quits.

No one knows his real issues, shame as he really was top class when he put his mind to it but there are more important things in life. Whether he makes it as a player or not again, I hope it works out for him wherever he ends up.

Palace game will always be in the memory - if that's his last positive contribution then thanks for that at least.

School teacher correction. It's not FFP. We are not in European Football.

Yet.

It's Premier League Profit and Sustainability.

Similar things, just my OCD.

But that won't happen because no-one is gulled as easily as we are.

But if we insist that homegrown players "must have first time control. One-touch passing ability, speed and stamina. If they don't then don't accept them." then why would we want to buy in players that don't have those abilities?

Taking this player in isolation, almost everyone I spoke to at the time was excited by the initial deal. How could we lose? If he's good, we stay up and earn his wages. If he is crap, we don't play him and got him for nowt (except his wages).

If staying in the Premier League is worth the money reported, (usually quoted at in excess of £200M), then Alli's one match-winning 45-minute contribution against Palace last seson was more than worth the £25M wages.

He has pre-season to get fit and 6 games to prove he has anything at all in the tank. After that, it is thanks for the glimpse and back to your parties until your 'friends' have spent all your money.

I hope he is getting the medical and psychological help he seems to need. As a club, we can't afford to write him off yet. But please, look at the alternative. We were dead and gone before he came on against Palace. So he was not a waste of money.

I imagine most of the angst being expressed in this thread is because he didn't come good — the gamble on him regaining his mojo failed — apart from, as you correctly point out, half of a vital game in the season before last.

But presenting that in the way you have makes it very difficult to argue against — unless you really want to upset the applecart by pointing out that we would have stayed up anyway, irrespective of the Crystal Palace result.

He's a burden on the club, and any Spurs fan will have told you from day one that's what he was going to be. They all mourned the loss of their erstwhile hero, but not one of the many Spurs fans that I know thought he was worth keeping. Every single one of them thought Levy had pulled off a very smart trick, getting us to take him off their hands.

The deal was ridiculous. Sure, take him on loan, but to take a punt on such an obviously damaged player which meant we had to pay his wages for the length of his contract, and we couldn't play him for more than 20 games unless we wanted to stump up £10m was criminal. No other club would have taken that deal.

Even Besiktas weren't stupid enough to take him off our hands, sending him back to us with the most damning report you'll ever hear about a loanee.

However you dress it up, we were mugs. And the last thing we need is that lazy over-paid former footballer poisoning pre-season training with his lack of professionalism.

No problem with buying older players but we need to be realistic about wage demands (and why a 'star' is suddenly so unwanted he's being made available to us).

We gave him a long enough contract to protect a potentially great asset, but a short enough one so not to keep him around too long if it didn’t work out.

It didn’t work out. We’ve still lost less money than the likes of Schneiderlin, or Walcott, or Tosun, or Gomes, or Gbamin etc.

This was for a player who couldn't get anywhere near the pitch at Spurs because he was so lacking in commitment and fitness.

Dyche may as well assess him over the summer, if he thinks he can do a job, great. If not then we're in no worse situation.

Was a crap deal to being with, not the first we've made and unlikely to be the last. Probably not as bad as offering a 5 year contract to a player with a 4 year work permit...

Each season slowly killing my anaite love that I was born a blue...

Or come to think of it, was it Harry's wife Sandra's recommendation?

There must be a case for constructive dismissal in order to force him to end his contract.

Give him any help that he may need, but a fresh start for him is in everybody's interests, we cannot sustain any more freeloaders.

Since Gbamin said he won't play for us next season, his agent must have something lined up. The Club will either let him go on a free or some minor fee.

Reading some Gomes's interviews at Lille, he's certainly happy to be playing regularly again. He's due around £6 million.

Since he won't be playing for us, it shouldn't be too difficult to work a deal with some club in France or maybe he heads back to Portugal.

How much do they reckon a Premier League place is worth over a championship season?

So is his impact in that game overblown or has he covered his cost with those 45 minutes?

Alli, Gbamin, Gomes, Maupay, Keane, Holgate.

So, yes Dele played his part, but there's no way his contribution "guaranteed us safety", or was the most important element in our victory. Far from it.

Was that 45 minutes worth £12.5M? If it was, then how much was Calvert-Lewin's header worth, or Richarlison's contribution over the season, or Pickford's saves, or Coleman's leadership?

Based on the value some on here are saying Dele provided, we must be talking billions.

Dele Alli knew it also and it seems to me that Everton and its fans meant enough to him to dig deep and produce from somewhere inside himself a performance that had a significant impact on the result.

Lives can be turned around – I have seen it happen many times. Perhaps Sean Dyche is the sort of character and mentor who can provide Dele Alli the influence he needs to get him playing again. I most definitely hope so.

I agree with you: while unlikely, Dyche may be the man.

One has to wonder which of them won't be at Everton at the start of the season!

I hardly see people at the door with contracts in hand. There are others you can add to that list as well. Or the ones we really don't want to go but probably could or will if the price is right: Pickford, Onana, Davies, Simms, Gray…

At this rate, we won't have a full team, much less a squad.