Chong appointed to the Board with Kenwright staying on for now

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Colin Chong becomes Everton's interim CEO following the departure of Denise Barrett-Baxendale

Updated Bill Kenwright will remain as Everton's Chairman during  a "period of transition" as Chief Stadium Development Officer, Colin Chong, joins the Board of Directors as the club's interim Chief Executive Officer and Director.

James Maryniak, currently Director of Finance, will take now assume responsibility for all finance matters as interim Chief Finance Officer, replacing the outgoing Grant Ingles.

The club have also announced the proposed addition of two Non-Executive Directors to succeed Graeme Sharp in the form of majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri himself and John Spellman, a Chartered Accountant, businessman and Everton fan.

The interim appointments and Moshiri's request that Kenwright continue in his post despite his unpopularity with a sizeable contingent of the fanbase will see the club through what the owner described in a statement as an “important period of transition for the club" as American firm MSP Sports Capital begin to invest in the club.

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According to an SEC filing today in the United States, the New York firm have, as part of a consortium of 13 partners, raised $165m (~£130m) under the banner of a new limited partnership called MSP EFC Investors.

That is viewed as the precursor to full involvement by MSP appointees to Everton's Board, a 25% stake in the club via preferential shares, and, eventually, further capital raises to pump more money into the club to help fund the remainder of the construction of the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

For now, while the search for a new permanent CEO and finance director, Messers Chong and Maryniak will fill the positions on an interim basis. 

"I am delighted that [Bill] has accepted my request to do so," Moshiri continued. "Bill’s knowledge and vast experience will be crucial for us as we look to reset, deliver on external investment and position Everton for a successful future.  

“In John, we have an experienced finance professional who has held Chief Executive and senior finance roles for international firms and I welcome him to the club.

“In Colin and James, we have two experienced senior club professionals who have agreed to take on enhanced roles on an interim basis, and who we know can and will deliver immediately.”


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Jack Convery
1 Posted 23/06/2023 at 11:33:08
If Kenwright is still Chairman come the Sporting game - Boycott It. Don't go to the pre-season friendlies either.


We have no other course of action now if we want to get rid of these two.

Martin Farrington
2 Posted 23/06/2023 at 11:34:27
For fuck's sake...
You couldn't make this shit up.
It beggars belief.
We've had it.
We're doomed.
I just pray MSP is real.

George Cumiskey
3 Posted 23/06/2023 at 11:40:45
I see Kenwright is staying on as Chairman!


Christy Ring
4 Posted 23/06/2023 at 12:21:54
Unbelievable that Moshiri has praised Kenwright and kept him on as chairman. Kenwright calling out the fans before the massive Leicester game, show's his total arrogance, and for Moshiri to back him is a kick in the teeth, and two to the club's loyal supporters.

Christy Ring
5 Posted 23/06/2023 at 12:21:54
Unbelievable that Moshiri has praised Kenwright and kept him on as chairman. Kenwright calling out the fans before the massive Leicester game, show's his total arrogance, and for Moshiri to back him is a kick in the teeth, and two to the club's loyal supporters.

Mark Ryan
6 Posted 23/06/2023 at 13:28:12
Ha ha, the lunatics really have taken over the Asylum!

Not in the least bit surprised and I'm very underwhelmed and saddened by this news

Like the young boy stood in front of the 1p Bubble Gum machine and all he has in his pocket is a 50p piece, sadly there's…


Kenwright will think this is hilarious and his thoughts won't turn to Barrett-Baxendale or any of us. Same old same old.

Paul Hewitt
7 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:10:36
Bill's here to stay, sadly nothing we can do.
Matt Traynor
8 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:11:32
Well, knock me down with a feather… what a surprise.

Everton's diagnosis is terminal.

Dennis Stevens
9 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:17:50
Quelle surprise! Staying on for now – but it's always 'for now', so that could mean eternity. Already feels like it.
Jonathan Agger
10 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:18:44
For fuck's sake, please just go, you relentless bastard.
Brett Jonathan
11 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:18:46
"A period of transition" is the new "Forever and always".

Bill will outlive us all.

Si Pulford
12 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:20:13
This club's marketing is shocking. The messaging they send out is incredible. Continuously shooting themselves in the foot. We are an absolute laughing stock.
Barry Hesketh
13 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:23:11
Si @6,

It is shocking when you consider that they were aiming for their own heads.

David Peate
14 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:25:14
I believe that Mr Kenwright is staying on as chairman for only 48 hours!
Dave Abrahams
15 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:25:36
I'll absolutely guarantee that, if Kenwright stays at Everton, when the new season starts and he takes his seat in the stand, plenty will not only clap him into his seat – they will stand up while they applaud.

He will not mind splitting the supporters into two groups – he will take great satisfaction from it.

Paul Hewitt
16 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:34:47
I'm surprised MSP have agreed to this. I would have thought they would want their own people on the board.
Craig James
17 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:35:39
The reality is Blue Bill is staying on until the stadium is opened, why?

Because his shares will be worth a damn site more.

Nothing more scientific than that – just pure greed, or, from a business perspective, common sense.

Sooner he goes, the sooner we move forward.

Here's to hoping and praying.

Peter Roberts
18 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:42:53
I hope Bill Kenwright is only being kept on until Everton are hauled in to answer the Profitability & Sustainability charges. There are no other board members left who can be held to account.

If his tears convince them that we are innocent and have no punishment, he may well expect to be made Life President. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr Moshiri has promised him something if he gives the independent commission the acting performance of his life.

John Keating
19 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:47:25
Total embarrassment.
Craig Walker
20 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:49:17
Kenwright is like a turd that will not flush. He disappears under the u-bend at times and you think he's gone, only to pop up again and continue to stink the place out.

Ian Linn
21 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:49:44
It''s difficult to see what Bill Kenwright brings to the table.

On his watch, there have been some very poor management, recruitment (I don't mean players here) and business decisions. The open letter he wrote a couple of months back was a perfect illustration of weak leadership.

Let's hope that the new investors will get their bearings pretty quickly and take Bill out of the picture.

Jer Kiernan
22 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:52:44
Fck Kenwright and Moshiri, this is an insult to the fans and the club. Mass protests are required here, the future of the club depends on it.

Please don't wait until we are fighting the drop next May! Moshiri needs to feel fan power… an empty Goodison against Fulham will have the desired effect. Kenwright should be and is by any metric unacceptable.

Both of these are incompetent buffoons and need sacking, Please spare me the sanctimonious "Get behind the Blues" bullshit… he is not our club. Remember how your stomach felt the morning of the last day of last season?

Kieran Kinsella
23 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:59:05
Kenwright reminds me of an old manager I briefly worked with. She made herself seem indispensable by meddling in everyone's affairs, promoting incompetents, and creating chaos (hiring and firing every few weeks). So the place was constantly in "survival" mode and she was the only person who'd worked there long enough to know how to do everything.

Eventually, the company cottoned on and fired her and a competent person turned things around. This is precisely what Kenwright has done – and Moshiri is clueless still thinking he is invaluable as he has his hand in everything.

Barry Hesketh
24 Posted 23/06/2023 at 14:59:37
Everton Football Club, inventing new ways of regularly spoiling weekends, since 1989.
Barry Metcalfe
25 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:02:50
Just a thought, would it not be a better idea to install a new Chairman now? Kenwright could then be kept on an interim basis for a limited period to be consulted when and if the new Chairman and Board felt he could offer advice?

As it now stands, it appears regrettably to be yet another in a catalogue of poor decisions by the owner.

Gary Brown
26 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:04:23
MSP - please appoint a Cheech.
Christy Ring
27 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:09:04
Apart from Moshiri giving the two fingers to the fans, the arrogance of Kenwright to stay on shows what he's made off.

If he had walked and turned down the offer, for the good of the club, and to get the fans back on track, it might have shown a small bit of dignity, but he hasn't even got that.

Sam Hoare
28 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:11:29
Strange and yet entirely predictable move.

The big question of course is how long will this transition be? Moshiri is not so dim as to think the fans can or will forgive Kenwright en masse so one would hope that he'll be out by the time the new season starts – but who knows?

I guess the truth is that, so long as we get in a few new players and play better next season, the levels of ire and opprobrium will dial down a bit. Perhaps Kenwright is determined not to leave on a low?

Have to hope that these new investors take hold of the reins soon and know what to do with them.

Andrew Ellams
29 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:13:00
Kenwright will cling on until the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock is open and then he'll retire in an apparent blaze of glory.
Paul Kossoff
30 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:17:05
Sources close to the MSP Sports Capital investment bid seemed to indicate a consortium of 13 investors have raised £130 million which is about a third of the £350 million required to complete the new stadium. It is expected that MSP will also have a say in appointing the new chairman while also getting two seats or more on the new Board.

Less than ideal with Kenwright staying on, the new investment doesn't necessarily alter the club's profit and loss statement nor does it guarantee any transfer funds for the summer transfer window where reinforcements are needed.

Our new board will be called Friends united behind Kenwright Everton defined. Unfortunately that abbreviates to
F U K E D!

Paul Kossoff
31 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:18:48
Can somebody make a banner of this please.

Our new board will be called Friends united behind Kenwright Everton defined. Unfortunately that abbreviates to
F U K E D.😀

Dean Williams
32 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:19:39
Can't we just pool some cash and have him murdered. Say nothing to the po po. 😊
Clive Rogers
33 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:26:05
If Putin brings a nuclear apocalypse down on us all there will be three things left alive: cockroaches, Keith Richards and Kenwright.
Ed Prytherch
34 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:34:15
Craig 14 - a great analogy.
Bobby Mallon
35 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:38:41
Jer Kernan @16, well said, don't go to home games till he's gone.
Jay Harris
36 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:43:37
And still no-one with football knowledge on the board and all existing Everton people. The mind boggles.

Well, Kenwright is good at theatre, he has turned EFC into a pantomime. How can a football club be run from London and Monaco by phone?

Kenwright could have been made a consultant instead of remaining as chairman.

Moshiri may well be a billionaire but his judgement is severely in question even if this board is only short term.

I'm still shaking with rage… I can't even think straight.

Phil Sammon
37 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:44:50
Paul 24 & 25

I don't think that acronym's as snappy as you think it is.

Paul Burns
38 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:52:32
There are things we can do. Refuse to go into the stadium until this man is removed.

Moshiri is treating Everton FC and all its fans as fools keeping Kenwright even for a short period.

No person in history has done as much damage to Everton as Kenwright, better short-term pain with a boycott than drawn-out disaster.

Stu Darlington
39 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:56:42
Bills “knowledge and vast experience” took us to the brink of relegation and possible financial ruin for the last two seasons!
Surely he deserves another chance to finally achieve it?

This statement just shows Moshiri's contempt for supporters, his total lack of football nouse, and his disregard for Everton FC, apart from his sacred cow at Bramley-Moore Dock!

Bits and pieces investment of a few million from American investors is a drop in the ocean considering what we need and none of it will be available for strengthening the squad.

I'm not surprised this has been announced after the longest 48 hours in football history. It was pretty obvious something was going on behind the scenes, I'm just totally depressed that we don't seem to be moving forward as a club under this man's ownership. The sooner he is gone, the better!

Joe McMahon
40 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:56:58
Clive @27, don't forget Ozzy Osborne!
Alan Johnson
41 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:57:06
Shit... can't believe it.

Feels like they are living on a different planet.

Paul Kossoff
42 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:57:30
Phil, why is that? I thought if anything it was appropriate considering we are well and truly FUKED.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
43 Posted 23/06/2023 at 15:58:02
You have to figure Moshiri is too scared to kick Kenwright to the curb because there's so much dirt he's got on Farhad and Usmanov. When the Usmanov story is finally told in all of its shady details, I imagine we'll look that much more incompetent, amateurish and foolish than we already do — along with having broken more than just P&S rules.

If Kenwright is still around for the Fulham match, every banner in the ground should read “Kenwright Out!” I'm not a fan of not showing up to cheer on the players.

Rob Dolby
44 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:00:44
Kenwright is only the custodian of our great football club and will stand aside when a better man can be found.

Think I heard the above about 25 years ago!

Sepp Blatter, Gordon Taylor, Mugabe, Castro and Putin always ask themselves what would Everton do as they get it right all of the time!

John Mallo
45 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:01:30
Only Everton 🙈🙈😡
Paul Kossoff
46 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:01:38
On the BBC:

Football finance expert Kieran Maguire has given a scathing assessment of Everton's hierarchy and offered an insight into potential investment in the club.

On Friday, it was announced by owner Farhad Moshiri that Bill Kenwright will remain as the club's chairman - over a week after the promised 48-hour deadline for an announcement on his future.

Speaking to BBC Radio Merseyside, Maguire said: "It's a poor way to run a business. If you are going to have a transfer of ownership then you have a proper succession plan.

"I think we could write a full drama in terms of what's happened at boardroom level and above in respect of Everton Football Club.

"Three directors were effectively sacked - they were made scapegoats by the owner in terms of what's happened over the past few years. We were told over a week ago that we would be told of Bill Kenwright's new role, if any.

"The news which has come in overnight from the US is that MSP Sports Capital has raised about $160m. Why would an investment fund raise money? It would be because it's got something to invest in.

"They will want some bang for their buck and that bang will be that opportunity to contribute towards the key decisions at boardroom level.

"What they don't want is Everton to waste the money. I think the club can be accused of that over the past five or six years in terms of player recruitment.

"Cost control appears to have gone out of the window in terms of wages. In regards to the new stadium – costs have risen significantly."

I wonder what the next exciting episode will bring?

Jim Lloyd
47 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:02:45
Well, I hope!

That this is an" Interim" board to enable the club to sell/buy players, and do all the things necesssary for a club to do, in the run up to the new season.

I think Colin Chong seems a competent man, the way he's handled the building of the stadium so far. The accountant is hopefully capable of keeping the finance operation in good order. I wonder if Thelwell will be a director responsible for the football operation, hope so because I'd hate to see Mr Moshiri and Kenwright carry on with their disastrous interfering!

If it means we can function as a Premier League club while the MSP investment goes ahead, then that seems sensible. If it means that we carry on as before, then that is totally unforgivable.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
48 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:15:08
A lot here are asking for Bill to resign and a new chairman appointed. So a new chairman is appointed, Chairman #2.

In 3 weeks, MSP agree their investment and want a new chairman. Chairman #2 leaves after 3 weeks and we get Chairman #3.

Only alternative is MSP say who Chairman #3 is going to be and they are appointed now. What happens if MSP does not happen? We now have a Chairman who has no support of the owner or the board.

We may not like it – but keeping Kenwright in place for now is not stupid based on the above.

Bill Gall
49 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:17:20
Well, this announcement is no surprise – it simply highlights the major problem at the club that I have been saying for months, and that is Farhad Moshiri.

I don't believe that there is any stipulation in a contract that states Kenwright has to remain chairman or he has any hold over him. This is simply a case of passing the buck to try and remain blameless for the mess the club are in.

As I have said on another thread, Kenwright will welcome the new board members with, "Welcome to the board where your input will be wanted and your suggestions will be noted, but remember what I say is the only thing that matters on this board."

While on a yacht in Monaco, the call goes out "Let's have a party, I have sidestepped another mini crisis!!"

Alan Corken
50 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:22:50
Oh dear! I see that 'Kenwright Derangement Syndrome' is reaching new heights of absurdity.

Whilst there is a certain amusement to be had from watching this, I fear that these paroxysms of rage may do some of my fellow blues some real harm. So let me help you regain some equilibrium.

This is a transitional arrangement! Surely it is obvious that MSP will want some say in the appointment of a new Chairman. In fact, taken together, today's developments are a vital stepping stone which should now quickly lead to the full reorganisation of the board.

Of course, even when Kenwright goes and the new board, including new chairman, are in place, many of our problems will still be with us. The Premier League investigation will still be hanging over us. Moshiri will be calling the shots, as he has been since the start of his disastrous reign in 2016.

The hope these announcements bring, however, is that, by investing in us, MSP are showing confidence that the Premier League investigation is groundless. Also, that Moshiri will be constrained by MSP as they seek to protect their investment.

Ultimately we must hope that this is positive news which will stabilise the club and eventually lead to a full takeover. Then and only then can we begin to believe that we can at last move on from the managed decline of the Kenwright years and the incompetence of the Moshiri era.

Andrew Merrick
51 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:25:56
Gary B at 20...
haha what a pairing that would be in a bored room!
David West
52 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:27:16
This just shows, like I have said for a while, Moshiri is incapable of making the right decisions to move the club forward.

Wouldn't any decent owner have sounded out a new CEO during the last 6 months when it was obvious the CEO's and board's positions were untenable? It shows his clear lack of vision, planning, strategy and decisiveness.

Is it any wonder he has struggled for investment? How the meetings with potential investors go, we can only imagine.

The sooner he's gone, the better in my opinion. Yes, chairman Bill needs to go, but it's Moshiri's meddling, bad decisions, weak leadership, terrible communication and utter incompetence that's left us in this position.

Neil Lawson
53 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:32:37
Born in Waterloo; schooled in Crosby and brought up with the Beatles. Moved to Devon in 1980 and local band Muse are the Lawson family favourites. They all must be Evertonians.

Check out Track 3 on latest album "Will of the People". Plainly written about our recent and current predicament.

Mark Taylor
54 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:33:45
And still we scrabble around in the gutter.

One day, I hope my club might move on from laughing stock status.

Jim Lloyd
55 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:35:15
I hope!

That Kenwright moves to his rest home as soon as a new Board is selected/elected whatever; and he's no longer part of it!

Jerome Shields
56 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:42:56
Jim #49,

It will go beyond that and we will all have to be careful. He could continue to haunt us from the other side.

Tony Abrahams
57 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:53:25
Bill's knowledge and vast experience obviously had Moshiri tied in knots when he was trying to change the board. That is the only logical conclusion I can come to.

Andy Walker
58 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:56:40
As I keep repeating, Moshiri is the problem at our club.

Spending £500M poorly does more damage than spending £200M wisely, it's now knackered us under P&S rules with little ability to spend for seasons to come.

Kenwright will stay on to keep the attention on him rather than Moshiri. Moshiri may not know much about football but he's wise enough to know he needs a flack jacket.

Neil Lawson
59 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:57:58
Apologies. It's the final track. Track 10.

For those of you who can't be bothered to look it up, the title is 'We are fucking fucked.'

Ask Alexa to play Z Cars and then to play Track 10 as above. It will become an earworm and you can buy the t-shirt.

Jerome Shields
60 Posted 23/06/2023 at 16:59:41
As for the press release, Kenwright wrote the reference of himself. He is getting so bare-faced, he is mooning his bare ass at us.
Mark Ryan
61 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:02:16
Said it yesterday and I'll say it again, it's no longer our club, it's his club and there is nothing we can do about it.

If it was ours, we wouldn't allow it to be run so appallingly. We, as fans and supporters, can merely watch on, it's pathetic.

Joe McMahon
62 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:02:38
Just remember, though, other clubs' Chairmen always think Everton get it right!

What a delusional tosser he is.

Rob Dolby
63 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:03:13
Alan @44,

Following your own logic, why sack the 3 board members and appoint new board members when MSP may want to put their own CEO and CFO in place?

Regardless of being deranged or not. Kenwright is a monumental failure for our club.

For all we know, MSP may turn into our Hicks and Gillette. They could be terrible and we get into even further trouble.

One thing is for sure with Kenwright and Moshiri we are sinking like a stone.

Christy Ring
64 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:05:29
The way things are going, we'll be lucky if we even have a team to play Fulham.

We're a total laughing stock, and for Moshiri to reappoint the worst chairman and owner in the club's history, who loves himself more than the club, is staggering.

A bitter little man who hasn't been seen at Goodison since January, not because of threats, but because of lies. He can't stomach what the fans really think of him.

Dean Johnson
65 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:05:37
Never change, ToffeeWeb. 💙
Neil Lawson
66 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:08:04
Track 10 not 3 (53).

Ask Alexa. Maybe she could join the board.

Ray Jacques
67 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:08:56
Kenwright must have something serious on Moshiri's dodgy dealings. No other reason why he is still hanging on.

How can he ever attend again after the last 6 months? It's a fuckin joke.

Mike Hayes
68 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:15:29
Did anyone see the presenters of Toffee TV on Sky? The perfect time to get the fans true feelings (hatred?) of all things of the cancer chairman and the lies he's spewed since conning his way into the chair.

Unless they were coached in what they were to be asked and how to reply, they had the perfect opportunity to detail his failings, from the Kings Dock to Headlockgate – that may have opened a few fans' eyes who may still think he's the messiah. 😡🤷

David West
69 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:18:51
Rob 57.

Exactly the point! Why should we trust Moshiri's judgement on the MSP investment? Is it just the only people who will give him the cash or are they right for the club?

Anyone who wants to invest in this circus with Moshiri and Kenwright still running the show must have either questionable judgement or blind faith.

It's unthinkable that someone would give this man, who's blown £100s of millions and taken us to the brink, another £150M to waste.

I wouldn't give Moshiri the change I could find down the back of our couch!!!

Ian Hollingworth
70 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:23:11
Please don't be fooled, this is not an interim position. He remains the chairman and will stay the chairman. Kenwright and Moshiri were more than happy to throw the other 3 under the bus.

Only us, the fans, and our reaction to this treacherous news can hope to get Kenwright out of his position as Chairman. He continues to suck the very life out of our beloved club.


(He may do but he loves himself more)

Roger Helm
71 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:25:24
Given that Kenwright has been in charge throughout the least successful period in Everton's history, taking us from one of the "Big Five" to perennial relegation candidates, I am surprised that anyone with any sporting knowledge would invest serious money with him still stinking out the place.

As for "transitional", does anyone really think he will be leaving while he has any fingernails left?

Mike Gaynes
72 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:26:19
"Period of transition" is becoming my least favorite expression.
Paul Jones
73 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:30:51
I didn't think Moshiri could sink lower than when he appointed Benitez, but he's managed to outdo himself today. He's sunk so low he's looking up at the Titanic from the ocean floor.

I speculate that Kenwright is hanging on to the coattails of the dark details behind Usmanov's involvement with Moshiri's buyout. Not so much a skeleton in the cupboard but something more akin to Narnia. Or Smarmia in the case of Betty Turpin's bastard son.

A sad day for the club.

Jack Convery
74 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:30:52
Kenwright Staying. Joke decision by Joke of an owner.

His expertise and knowledge – what of? How to piss £750M up the wall. How to throw Evertonians under a bus? How to promote mediocrity et al. Disgraceful.

Boycott the pre-season friendlies, including the home game versus Sporting, if he's still haunting the place. Enough is enough.

Darryl Ritchie
75 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:32:13
Well, we've had two good tries at relegation... third time lucky?

Very well could be. Same old! Same old!

Brent Stephens
76 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:32:19
Phil #42, perceptive.
Allan Board
77 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:32:42
So the fucking mates rates cliques continue with that fat wanker bringing his mates on board and that tosser of an owner has let it happen. If this doesn't prove to all what a snide shit Kenwright is, nothing will.

Go to Fulham first game up and you are condoning this.
10 years and counting for me – shove the new stadium up their arses, out of principle and morals, my self-imposed exile will continue until that cock Kenwright is gone.

Expect to be bottom 4 or 5 come April again.

If I were Sean Dyche I'd drop this Mickey Mouse excuse for a club right in it: 2 days before the Fulham game. How fucking disrespectful to the man who saved Everton just a few weeks ago.

Football is a turgid, corrupt, shitty little game without any dignity. Good luck everyone, cos you are going to need it following that shite. Scandalous.

Barry Rathbone
78 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:32:45
Most sensible decision Moshiri has made.

Far better to control change rather than indulge in immediate wholescale revolution as they seldom deliver what the masses imagine.

The Russian Revolution was a fight against autocracy but served only to put in the chimps of Lenin then Stalin. The French Revolution battered its own people with Robespierre's "reign of terror", and the English Civil War rebellion cowardly backtracked from republicanism when Cromwell cancelled Xmas.

Well in, Moshiri.

Kevin Edward
79 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:32:49
Ha Ha Ha. This is not the news I was hoping for, but unfortunately ‘as predicted' by many on here.

I hope MSP have deep pockets, that £150M won't last very long with the vast experience and expertise of Moshiri and Kenwright.

If Sean Dyche can keep us up again, it will be a miracle.
File this news under ‘deeply concerning'.

Paul Kossoff
80 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:35:23
Mike Hayes, enough with the connections of these twats with the most horrible disease on the planet, use a different word please.
Ian Hollingworth
81 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:39:06
This is a joke as Kenwright and Moshiri are treating each and every one of us as complete idiots.

Kenwright has no plans at all to step down and the ridiculous statement today about needing him to remain as Chairman is frightening as we are seriously fucked with these two idiots.

Please can they explain, whilst under their direction, we are being investigated for breaching P&S rules, for back to back relegation battles, multiple managers, spunking millions on very average players etc etc etc.

Just fuck off now, Bill, you narcissist prick.

I wonder what Denise Barrett-Baxendale and Sharpy are feeling right now?

Ian Hollingworth
82 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:39:06
This is a joke as Kenwright and Moshiri are treating each and every one of us as complete idiots.

Kenwright has no plans at all to step down and the ridiculous statement today about needing him to remain as Chairman is frightening as we are seriously fooked with these two idiots.

Please can they explain whilst under their direction we are being investigated for breaching P&S rules, for back-to-back relegation battles, multiple managers, spunking millions on very average players, etc etc etc.

Just fuck off now, Bill, you narcissist prick.

I wonder what Barrett-Baxndale and Sharp are feeling right now?

Mal van Schaick
83 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:44:10
Oh dear. The total disdain and disregard towards the fans continues.

An ongoing enquiry, no transfers in, and a club in disarray. The omens are not good so far, for the build-up to next season.

Justin Doone
84 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:44:29
Kenwright Out!

The person with the money and control of our club continues to make mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake..

He's the one continuing board member that has remained in place for decades with the last 6 seasons progressively getting worse.

He should have been the first to go but it feels like the club will be gone before Kenwright exits the building!

Kenwright Out!

Christopher Timmins
85 Posted 23/06/2023 at 17:59:45
The protest must continue. They must be dignified and persistent.

On match day we support the manager and the team. Unfortunately, there is nothing else we can do.

Billy Shears
86 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:05:36
Moshiri is fucking spineless... Kenwright must go NOW!
Barry Hesketh
87 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:06:18
For those like me, who aren't fully conversant with how boards operate, the link below – from approx 24:30 onwards – a guy (John) speaking to Baz and Ped on ToffeeTV, states his views on what is happening and what may happen.

Kenwright Stays & MSP Investment Confirmed | Everton Daily Extra LIVE

Jay Harris
88 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:08:13
This is the laziest decision that could have been made, appointing 3 of the existing staff who have no football knowledge or expertise, being led by a deceitful dreamer from London and an idiotic foreigner from Monaco.

What a pantomime. This has made me so angry, I can't cope today.

Dan Brierley
89 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:08:23
ToffeeWeb Posters: This club never communicates! It's a joke, they don't respect the fans!

Club communicates sweeping changes and a transition board

ToffeeWeb Posters: This club is a joke, they don't respect the fans!

I'm thrilled at this first step, it shows that real change is now coming when an interim board is announced. I would have preferred a full change now, but clearly MSP or whoever involved is not ready. These things do take time.

I'm still unsure on Thelwell, his signings haven't been great but he has been getting rid of the deadwood. Might be worth keeping him on for another season, and giving him a chance to mould the squad.

Billy Shears
90 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:19:41
The only way to get him out is to boycott Goodison Park... which will sadly never happen... but it is now the only option we have!
Finn Taylor
91 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:26:46
When all is said and done... we need players, at least 6 in and no sales (well not Pickford and Onana anyway)

We are clearly stuck this way... if – and I suspect it may happen – we sign no one over the summer, then let rip the dogs of war and let the protests commence!

Steve Brown
92 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:28:41
Today was another communications fiasco for Everton.

And, I am not sure what sweeping changes you are alluding to, Dan?

Two club senior managers will take interim executive roles and the chairman will remain in post. Moshiri joins 7 years too late as a non-executive director and a former finance associate takes a board position.

MSP have filed the paperwork for the loan in the US, therefore their board representation will have already been agreed as part of the deal. It makes zero sense to make an interim announcement when permanent board appointments are imminent.

How this has been handled over the last 10 days has been a typical shambles. If Kenwright remains in role at the start of the season, the protests and chaos will continue.

Andy Crooks
93 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:29:18
Alan @ 44, congratulations on the most smug post I've read on this site. That took some doing, by the way.
Tony Everan
94 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:34:08
A massive issue at stake here is unity. The club is desperate for it and will not progress without it.

Mr Moshiri‘s actions here have blown the bloody doors off any unity. It will lead to mass protest at the first downtown or poor result. Instead of unity, there is going to be rabid disunity. The sort that affects players, managers and backroom staff.

A club in our position needs all the help it can get. With this decision, Mr Moshiri is doing the opposite and is seriously threatening the value of his own investments as well as MSP's.

I would advise him to make sure this transitional period is a matter of days or weeks. Definitely not months. A statement to fans regarding this is absolutely necessary and would be welcome.

We cannot start the new season with the worst Chairman in the club's history still at the club. The club desperately needs to move on to a new era.

Andy Crooks
95 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:34:50
Barry @ 72, Cracker! Respect!
Paul Kossoff
96 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:37:05
Are Gomes and Gbamin still here? Surely with them being paid £120k a week each, the squad would be stronger with them in it.

Are they that bad that they can't be included? We are down to the bare bones of a squad with no-one coming in and possibility more to leave.

Ian Hollingworth
97 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:37:20
Dan @83,

Why sack the other 3 last week if change was coming? Why the need for interim? Why not wait and just announce the new board if and when it comes?

Bill is going nowhere.

This is just Kenwright's Everton being Kenwright's Everton.

Dan Brierley
98 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:40:21
Two people who have been vilified on these page are now gone, Steve. The chairman has been asked to lead a transition, showing that there is big change coming at club management level. You don't need a transition board if your only changing a chairman.

We have an amazing stadium being built, I honestly feel positive for our future. Moshiri's reign has been a cluster fuck from Day 1. But I hope he wants to correct his errors, and stick around to put it all right.

I'd rather have an owner using his own company finances, than investors who add debt to the club.

Danny O’Neill
99 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:41:21
Let us see where this takes us.

We are naturally hurting and scarred from what we've been through. We are defensive and cynical.

I will try and stay balanced, as much as I am angry, as much as my son was fuming and calling us a joke of a club earlier today. He was five months old when we last won a trophy and "watched" it in his pram. I keep telling him he's seen Everton win a trophy.

McNulty wrote a good piece on the BBC today. Take a read. It reflects the sentiment of most Evertonians. Those in the corridors of power must know it.

We are naturally sceptical and cynical like a wounded animal. We've been hurt too many times by a failing regime. Why should we trust them?

If this is genuinely interim, then what does interim mean? Wait until MSP invest? Wait until the investigation? Wait until the stadium opens? Wait until Bill decides to go voluntarily? He can't come back. That is beyond repair. He's been on the board in some capacity and very influential for 34 years. That is only two years after we were last Champions of the top flight of English football.

Another summer of discontent, worry and uncertainty on the cards.

Anyway, I just want the Fulham tickets to go on sale. We should get the Upper Bullens away section for that one.

And when the season starts, we will be there in force for the team and the manager.

Dan Brierley
100 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:49:59
Ian, there is absolutely nothing to suggest they were sacked.

One of the people that resigned was someone that hasn't been to Goodison since they were assaulted and spat at. The other a footballing hero that has been slated as a yes-man.

For all we know, they might have wanted to get out of the club. Can't be a good feeling to work your arse off and get slagged off by people that have no idea what you do.

Barry Rathbone
101 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:51:02
Andy @89…

Back at you, mate!

Iakovos Iasonidis
102 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:53:43
Amazing stuff… actually, I am not so surprised. If he was going to leave, he would leave with the others.

We should probably mentally prepare that he will stay with us until the end (club's or his, whichever comes first...).

Brian Williams
103 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:57:35
Dan #94.

Who was it that was assaulted and spat at?

Justin Doone
104 Posted 23/06/2023 at 18:59:11
We are like a car crash.

A hideous accident to witness and yet, without knowing any of the details, we all slow down to take a good look. We then blurt out opinions based on nothing more than a single snapshot in time.

I could be describing Everton fans, the Everton owner or simply all things Everton. I just know it's the worst but best entertainment, both for and against Evertonians everywhere.

Truly an unbelievable story that continues to twist and turn like the brewing storm it is.

Nick Strong
105 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:00:55
Maybe Kenwright should make the musical of Everton put it on at the Empire, might make us a few quid to sign a striker. Make himself useful for once. 😅
Colin Glassar
106 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:02:53
One of the darkest, most shameful, embarrassing days in Everton's history.

Of all the possible outcomes, Moshiri goes and picks the worst of the bunch.

Kenwright must have some serious dirt on this gormless moron to be able to survive whatever happens.

I honestly give up.

Paul Burns
107 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:03:35

No-one with a brain cell could condone or believe this nonsense.

I have never in my entire life seen anything run in such a pathetic, shoddy, amateurish way that, from the outside, must look like deliberate suicide. Not even a kid's football team or a window-cleaning round.

It's horror beyond belief unfolding before our eyes, I almost know how the families of those people in that pathetic excuse for a submarine felt, a piece of crap unfit for purpose whose owners wouldn't listen to common-sense concerns and, even now, refuse to take the blame for the disaster.

Barry Hesketh
108 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:09:30
Nick @99,

I hear that a new script is in the pipeline working title "Lies and Lols" or its back-up "Lies and Trolls".

Kieran Kinsella
109 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:14:14
I feel sorry for Chong. He seems to have been doing a good job in his bubble over at the new stadium. Now he is going to get sucked into the wider chaos of the club.
Kieran Kinsella
110 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:16:00

"Can't be a good feeling to work your arse off and get slagged off by people that have no idea what you do."

As a fan, how do you know they worked their arses off – if fans have no idea what they do? Or do you have the inside scoop of the goings on at the club?

Colin Glassar
111 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:16:53
Following the party line are we, Dan?
Brian Harrison
112 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:20:26
So Moshiri has been in the country for 4 days trying to persuade Kenwright to stay on as Chairman to head up an interim board. Moshiri says he is pleased that Kenwright has accepted this offer, he has also appointed 3 non-executive directors to the board, one being Colin Chong who has overseen the building of the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

The press are stating that MSP have raised £166 million to put into the club to guarantee that the funds are now in place to complete the stadium. But that hasn't been confirmed by Moshiri and, if they have raised that money, then why haven't they had anyone appointed to the board?

Seems as ever, since Moshiri took over as the major shareholder, we have more questions than answers. It's reported that Ancelotti is suing Everton over unpaid bonuses that were agreed by Usmanov, while Moshiri has said Usmanov had nothing to do with the club.

Also, how long does Moshiri think this interim board will be in place? And will they be still there at the start of the season? And will his existant chairman attend games with all the damage that could do to morale around the ground?

So eventually Moshiri makes a statement of sorts but it doesn't answer any of the questions, just more smoke and mirrors.

John Cartwright
113 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:23:51
The new board members should refuse to join until they know who departs, one who should preferably be sacked for gross mismanagement of our proud club
Dan Brierley
114 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:26:49
Does it annoy you that I don't automatically agree with the mostly baseless rhetoric, Colin? Is it annoying that I still see positivity in the things I mentiomed above, instead of predicting the end and wallowing in self-pity?

If you are so incensed, Colin, why didn't you go to the Liver Building protest like those who actually did something about their issues? Busy washing the car?

John Belshaw
115 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:33:36
The delusional Bill Kenwright is desperate to cling onto power until the new Everton stadium opens and it is named after him!
Paul Birmingham
116 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:35:34
The farce continues. The dynamic duo will go down in history.

Cowardly and pathetic. Accountability for the wilderness years and terminal erosion of Everton FC but Kenwright clearly sees the facts from his own book of bullshit.

The spirit will never wain but the joy of watching and supporting Everton with the pariah still there is galling and takes any joy out of it.

If there's a plan, why can't the club share it? The club's communications are pathetic while the preseason must have momentum and positives.

A third season on the volcano face will be difficult to survive.


Phil Gardner
118 Posted 23/06/2023 at 19:58:44
Paul Kossof (40).

Is there a hidden reason that you feel the need to copy and paste articles from BBC Sport onto whatever thread you mistakenly feel benefits from it? I assume that we're all licence fee payers or have access to

You even do it on match days with insightful yet borrowed snippets from BBC commentators, albeit 15 minutes after the originators have posted. I don't get it, frankly.

Nick Page
119 Posted 23/06/2023 at 20:01:27
Let's try again, lol

“Is it annoying that I still see positivity in the things I mentiomed above, instead of predicting the end and wallowing in self-pity?”

There are some people out there, that no matter how many times they are wrong (and how!) continue to believe that it's just everybody else. This one's a bit like the Black Knight from Monty Python.….

All right, we'll call it a draw.

Oliver Molloy
120 Posted 23/06/2023 at 20:03:44
I said the other day it makes sense to have a chairman in place whilst the owner figures it all out!

All Bill wants is to lead the club to the new stadium as chairman and I suspect he may get his wish.

If Moshiri gets rid of him, all the shite will then head his way, so as others have pointed out this could be Moshiri trying to be clever – again!

First home game will be interesting!

Mike Hayes
121 Posted 23/06/2023 at 20:05:31
Nick and Barry - the actual title is “It’s All Done With Smoke And Mirrors” 🥳
Ian Riley
122 Posted 23/06/2023 at 20:15:38
Let the man have his statue. He loves us all and the club. We would be lost without him.

Sean Kelly
123 Posted 23/06/2023 at 20:21:03
I'm taking Jonathan's advice at #4. I'm fucking off until that rotten turd is gone from the club. What's the point sticking around while he's stinking the place out?

They don't give a fuck about us supporters and that wobbling gob arsehole will have his day at Bramley-Moore Dock.

Charles Brewer
124 Posted 23/06/2023 at 20:24:37
Jason (98) it is indeed like being witness to a car crash.

But the crash involved a car with a driver and three passengers. The rozzers have turned up and despite the driver being clearly completely demented and having a series of convictions for dangerous driving, they have arrested the passengers, for reasons which are obscure. They have then told him he is at liberty to resume driving in any way he cares, as incompetently and dangerously as he likes.

To sign off with my preferred aphorism: FUCK OFF, KENWRIGHT!

Nick Page
125 Posted 23/06/2023 at 20:28:51
Like George Carlin (RIP) said, It's a big club and you ain't in it.

Kenwright's MO right there.

Tony Abrahams
126 Posted 23/06/2023 at 20:32:55
Maybe you haven't got to the question Brian Williams asked you @97, Dan, but what you wrote earlier, about a director being spat at and assaulted, definitely comes across as the same baseless rhetoric that you told Colin you don't automatically agree with.

Maybe I'm wrong; maybe you witnessed it with your own eyes, and thousands of Evertonians are wrong for believing the board tried to throw them under the bus. Telling lies and trying to gain the sympathy vote, with the help of their friends in the media, whilst they were the ones who were wallowing in fake self-pity.

James Head
127 Posted 23/06/2023 at 20:33:59
No surprise the cockroach will not budge. I'm sure some of his pals in the media will be rolling out the usual pro-Bill propaganda, fans need to unite now and focus all the pressure onto Moshiri. What an absolute shambles it is.

There will undoubtedly be an attempt to split the fans and play them against each other. United We Stand – and push the pair of useless bastards out of our once proud club.


Christine Foster
128 Posted 23/06/2023 at 20:34:52
Not one bit surprised. When he didn't go with the other three, it confirmed to me that not only had he thrown fans under a bus to divert blame, but the next bus along was for the rest of the board to go under its wheels. His disingenuous praise confirming the self-centered focus intent.

He is taking his encore like a pro, engineered and as false as it gets. The conversation between the two men must have ended with their last lines, "The fans won't like it" then, "Fuck the fans." Spite is a vindictive nastiness.

This is exactly the outcome I expected, even stated as much on the CEO thread; two men cut from the same cloth. A total and utter despisement of the fanbase is now being reciprocated. Laughingly, there are posters on this site who actually take pleasure from it.

Somewhere in this mess is a deadline. On that date, MSP will have an agreed deal, a new board structure. But it's also clear this interim board is no such thing. It may be added to, it may have a new chairman, but it will still be Moshiri's board.

Key, quite significantly, is the appointment of himself as a director and Kenwright as Chairman. Tightening a grip on the daily decision-making irrespective of incoming investment, a welcome to investors he also sees as a threat to his ownership. A necessary evil.

Nor can he ignore the upcoming independent commission in October. Whilst no-one outside of the owner and Chairman know the detail of the alleged breach, he obviously wants someone on the board who was involved in the matter or actually made the call.

This is a totally predictable outcome from two men who profess to love the club, yet love money more. The protests will rightly continue, Kenwright anxiously standing at the bus stop as the bus approaches, can he feel the slight touch of Moshiri behind him?

Mark Ryan
129 Posted 23/06/2023 at 20:36:32
So just how does it play out at the first home game?

He ushers the new people to their seats?

He doesn't attend, yet again but they do? Preferable but how bizarre will that be?

Surely he cannot just take a seat as though nothing has happened. Narcissists are good at living a lie but that would take some brass neck on his part

Kenwright Out!!

Kieran Kinsella
130 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:01:12
I heard that after Moshiri met with Kenwright, he called around some other club executives. They weren't sure what to suggest so did what they always do and called Bill Kenwright for advice. He suggested he stay on as chairman. The other chairmen called Moshiri back and let him know.
John Belshaw
131 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:01:31
Has Cheech joined Chong in the Everton Boardroom yet? We already have Laurel and Hardy (Moshiri and Kenwright) sitting there. Well, by their uncharged mobile phones anyway!

Incidentally, Cheech and Chong’s ‘Up In Smoke” was a popular VHS rental back in the day. Let’s hope the title isn’t prophetic for Everton.

Apologies for the gallows humour everyone. 😭

Lev Vellene
132 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:10:06
Well, for now there aren't many games with supporters present for the Limpet to dodge. Sounds like a safe bet for him, at this non-point of the season... ;D

Nick Page
133 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:10:53
Tony - post 124. Brilliant - exactly!!
Kieran - post 128 I'm still laughing!
Christine - post 126. Nailed it, as ever 👏

My kopite mates (spit) are laughing their heads off at all this. It's purely gallows humour from me.

Dale Self
134 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:18:15
Hey John 131,

Any chance Chong can locate Tyrown Shoelaces? He could help out ol' cucumber head I got a football Jones oh baby ooh ooh ooh.

Dave Downey
135 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:32:20
You'd think that, pushing 80, Bill would at the very least be well fed-up with all this shit himself and be ready to let somebody else have a go. Apparently not.

As Sting once sang, "If you love somebody, set them free." Clearly William doesn't believe in any of that sentimental bullshit.

We'll be pushing for 16th place next season then...

Jamie Crowley
136 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:36:33
Can someone please clear up the actual Boardroom composition for me please?

MSP now have three voting Board members? Then Moshri. And lastly (purposefully last) Bill.

Does this not then render Bill completely a eunuch when it comes to decision-making? Surely all MSP Board members will vote in a block? Even if Moshri sides with Bill on some issue, it's a 3-2 vote, no?

If the above is accurate, Bill's a flaccid farce board member?

If anyone has the time or patience to accurately lay out the Board voting dynamic and composition, please do. It will go a long way to determining if Bill can do a damn thing about anything moving forward.

Phillip Warrington
137 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:42:16
What's the point?

It's a nightmare that never ends.

Terry Farrell
138 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:46:56
This is terrible news. Bill, have a lie down. We cannot have a chairman who doesn't attend the games and makes out he can't because someone wants to harm a 77-year-old man!

We need fresh blood and a few hotshots who know how to balance the books and steer clear of P&S rules breaches.

Jim Lloyd
139 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:47:02
Jerome (50) Noooooooo! Haunting us from this side's bad enough!

I wonder what the reception from the supporters would be like, should the world's greatest evertonian take his seat at the match?? Does he think he would get a good reception? I can't see him showing his gob at the match again.

Anyway. I've been wondering how long it's going to be, that this interim board, stays interim. Well to be more precise, how long will this Interim Chairman stay Interim chairman! If he fulfills a Chairman's necessary functions during the rest of the time before the first match, I'd see that as doing a necessary role, so our club can function with a CEO, Finance Director, and a Board. So that we can buy/sell players, manage the accounts of funds coming in and funds going out. That he is able to do the Chairman's duties when the Board meets (change is good as a rest).

By the time that our investors are ready to take up roles on the Board, we should be functioning and a seamless change of Chairman (I'm laughing as I write this) can take place. All before the first match takes place.

If that's the interim that Mr Moshiri is talking about, then personally, I could put up with it. If Kenwright or Moshiri have any thoughts that the Interim Chairman can go beyond 11 August, then I think the demonstrations of last season will pale to the ones in the coming season.

Brendan McLaughlin
140 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:53:23
Christine #128,

"This is exactly the outcome I expected even stated as much on the CEO thread;"

So on the CEO thread when you were contemplating going to Mass on Sunday... it wasn't to give thanks?

Tony Abrahams
141 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:54:40
Why have Everton actually got a Director of Football when it's getting reported that Moshiri wanted to keep Bill Kenwright on because of his contacts and also to use his business acumen in the transfer market.

One day, I might read something that is actually believable, but I doubt it will be whilst either Kenwright or Moshiri, are still involved in our club.

Bobby Mallon
142 Posted 23/06/2023 at 21:55:09
If I'm correct, the MSP board members are staunch Evertonians and, if so, they should explain what's going on.
Brendan McLaughlin
143 Posted 23/06/2023 at 22:06:39
Jim #139

On the reception Kenwright is likely to receive... see Dave A. #15

On "interim"... it's a bit like how long is a piece of string or maybe, more appropriately, how long is 48 hours?

Christine Foster
144 Posted 23/06/2023 at 22:10:04
Brendan, the sheer length of that thread gave hope at various times.

I confess that hope might have got the better of me and kindled that fire of expectation but thanks to the almighty, it was quickly extinguished as is the catholic way. Pragmatism soon replaced it... with a thump.

Andy Meighan
145 Posted 23/06/2023 at 22:12:19
This news doesn't shock me whatsoever.

The man obviously must have skin like an elephant, it's obvious he can't attend a game so why not just call it a day?

No, not Bill, he thinks he is the club; he's not, so why would you want to stay on if you're so vilified?

As others have alluded to, Bill will outlive everyone. Of that I'm sure.

Another sad day in the recent history of our club.

Jim Lloyd
146 Posted 23/06/2023 at 22:13:25

It's possible but I think his walkout because of "dangerous supporters" and leaving us and the manager's team to support our squad for 3 months, while facing relegation.

Well, I think a lot more supporters will have been giving thoughts to how the Board left us to support our lads during the battle against relegation. Mind you, he could have been in the Gwladys Street end... where the old Boys Pen was.

Brendan McLaughlin
147 Posted 23/06/2023 at 22:19:38
Christine #144... only teasing

Jim #146... actually hope you've called it more correctly than Dave A. as I suspect he will too.

Jim Lloyd
148 Posted 23/06/2023 at 22:32:03

I hope that many more supporters are like us, and are fed up with the state that our club has been dragged down to.

I remember when he was clapped, when his smiling gob was shown on the big screen. Yes, we can but hope that many more supporters have seen through his antics.

ps: Your piece of string mention is spot on!

Paul Ferry
149 Posted 23/06/2023 at 22:32:42
Barry Rathbone – 78 – Can you please explain to me:

1) What was "the English Civil War Rebellion"?

2) How “Republicanism” was an objective of this “English Civil War Rebellion” (ie, something that it “backtracked" from)?

3) How was this “backtracking” achieved by Cromwell “cancelling” Christmas?

4) What exactly was the role of the “masses” in this ‘English Civil War Rebellion'?

Hint: Christmas was not abolished by Cromwell. Christmas, Easter, and Whitsun were abolished by Parliamentary ordinance in 1644 when Cromwell was still a cavalry commander and long before he had any real political power or England was a Republic.

Barry, you do sometimes sprinkle claims to other bodies of knowledge in your posts as some sort of larger claim to credibility, authority, and superiority, I suppose. But maybe I am wrong and you can supply convincing answers to my questions about your claims to knowledge.

You talk so often about the “masses” or “mob rule” when it comes to Everton supporters. Many seem to disagree with your views with more reason perhaps if your invocations of knowledge and history are as misleading as they appear to be here.

Ray Smith
150 Posted 23/06/2023 at 22:42:00
Evertonian for life (1964) but I've had enough. I really wish I could leave, but that's not the Everton way! Just get rid of Kenwright, followed by Moshiri! Kenwright has something on Moshiri that we will never know!

I hope Sean Dyche can steer us through the mire that is about to descend on us, and he doesn't cut and run. Because we are then well and truly in the mire! And the season is not even under way!

How sad am I, a life-long Evertonian!!!!

Lev Vellene
151 Posted 23/06/2023 at 22:46:10
"Bill's knowledge and vast experience will be crucial for us as we look to reset, deliver on external investment and position Everton for a successful future."

Moshiri seems to love reading books written by self-proclaimed footballing experts like Sam Allardyce. Could someone direct him towards more important things to read, like just about anything online about what most of the fanbase really think about Bill Kenwright???

That bloody barnacle really must have some hold over Moshiri...

Dale Self
152 Posted 23/06/2023 at 22:54:34
Ray 150 and others, hang in there. I know it's ugly but Bill needs it that way.

If only Phillip Seymour Hoffman had not died, he could have given the perfect portrayal of Bill crying at MSP and Moshiri accusing them of trying to off an 80-year-old man. He probably gave the performance of a lifetime and talked them into some consolation prize. He may claim bad health later to avoid the spectacle.

The release happening on a Friday looks like a weak hand. Some other news will turn this around, it just looks and feels bad because clumsy arrogant fuckers are doing it.

And Paul, I will be looking up any of my historical references going forward. That was Stephen Fry level.

Barry Rathbone
153 Posted 23/06/2023 at 22:55:00
Paul 149,

The 3 phases of the Civil War period were a mix of ship money and religious arguments summed up as parliamentary forces rebelling against the king. Once they whipped Charles l's head off, we were effectively a republic. After about 10 years, we jacked it and got his son back to rule over us, thus the republic was binned

Plenty of info out there if you want more detail but essentially that covers it.

Yeh, cancelling Xmas is a caricature of the Puritanical rule of Cromwell; shame you took it so literally.

John Kavanagh
154 Posted 23/06/2023 at 23:00:13
Well what a surprise. All I want to see is Usmanov's bagman being led away in handcuffs by the sanctions cops and Chairman Bill's hearse touring Knightsbridge. I don't want the odious bastard in our city, let alone Goodison.

And anyone still gullible enough to swallow the bullshit that this is an interim appointment should remember how long 48 hours lasts in Blue Bill's alternative universe. I forecast a few days ago that he would remain as there's still some asset stripping to be done from the sale of remaining players, plus a parachute fund to dip into after relegation and then a hefty wedge for arranging the sale and lease back of the new stadium for a huge rent.

Still, there's always the 60-foot bronze Chairman Bill statue to be unveiled before the opening fixture against Millwall to look forward to. Paid for by the rip-off TicketMaster deal.

Remember the good times, eh. For Chairman Bill, they've never been better.

Barry Hesketh
155 Posted 23/06/2023 at 23:01:23
I'm hoping that Alan Myers's take on the situation is the closest to the truth.

As we all know, Moshiri's utterances are meaningless when it comes to giving his views on the strengths of his employees, and some of the media will play fast and loose with the emotions of Evertonians in the next few weeks.

We must not over-react and do anything which helps to strengthen the false charges of being a rabid mob. Keep patient, and wait until the start of the season, if the situation hasn't been resolved to our satisfaction by that time, we can renew the protests, if we so wish.

Fans should be in no doubt that this is an interim board which has been put together by owner Farhad Moshiri, essentially a stopgap whilst the real deal is done with MSP, and that deal will be done.

Moshiri wants the best-looking investment deal possible not only to pay for the completion of the new stadium but also to put the club in a stronger financial position, and that will take around six to seven weeks to complete.

Work is well underway and that work will now continue with the stability needed provided by the temporary board arrangement.

Light finally at the end of the tunnel for the Toffees?

Brent Stephens
156 Posted 23/06/2023 at 23:15:57
Dale #152 " it just looks and feels bad because clumsy arrogant fuckers are doing it."

...who can't control events? Sometimes those leading an organisation find that things become chaotic to such an extent that the situation becomes unmanageable and unpredictable. Decisions are made, unintended consequences occur. Further reactive decisions are made. Further unintended consequnces occur. The whole situation becomes unmanageable.

Maybe, just maybe, that's where Moshiri is at the moment. Being buffeted from one unintended consequence to another. Making decisions on the hoof. This might explain (eventually) why 48 hours came and went.

Trying to explain what's going on (sometimes expressed on here with an air of certainty) with current absence of information is perhaps fruitless. Bill will go? Bill will prevail? What "strange attractors"?

When things eventually settle down in terms of board membership, ownership etc, history might be written to convey a sense of what was "obviously" going on.

For the moment, sit back and "enjoy" the ride.

Brendan McLaughlin
157 Posted 23/06/2023 at 23:18:49
Barry #155

I always see myself as a "glass half full person" but I also like to think I can at least sometimes read the "runes".

Everton dispense with three Board members with the future of Blue Bill to be pronounced upon 48 hours later. 144 hours later Blue Bill is staying. Surprising...not!

They've feinted a left and smacked us right in the jaw with an unexpected uppercut.

Channeling my inner Barry a way...I admire it!

To cut to the chase...Blue Bill ain't going anywhere, anytime, soon.

Martin Farrington
158 Posted 23/06/2023 at 23:30:58
So to sum up.
What an absolute mess.

No one shocked about Kenwright.

The word "interim" is going to take on a new meaning, similar to "48 hours."

Back burner this statement from Everton for a moment.

What have MSP said ?
I don't know if I have missed something, but they don't appear to have said a word about anything. Including what or where or how they see themselves at Everton.
What money they are putting in and to what ends and expectations etc..
Are they aware of the wreckage that is never ending in Billy Moshiri's circus. Because remaining silent is
deeply concerning.

Clearly, if what is circulating is true, this guy isn't going to just walk away. He is a business man that operates in the shadows. He will expect his investment + high return on capital + and then some.
You don't get close to Putin by losing millions let alone hundreds of millions.

FFP (or the premier leagues version)
Its another millstone.
Can the club enter the transfer market ?
Do they need authority / permission to ?
Where does the club stand right now in regards to this.

He must know something bad is about to occur and perhaps is getting in the queue first ?
Again why havent the club opened up about this ?

Summer hols
Apparantly nothing re players coming in would / will happen until next month because those responsible are in glasto or sunny climes.

What half decent player (in their right mind) would have Everton as a destination of choice ?????

This sad saga will carry on and on and on methinks, so get a hefty pan of scouse down yer neck and dig in.

Dale Self
159 Posted 23/06/2023 at 23:31:51
Thanks Barry 154, I will go with that.

Brent 155, I can always find space to understand what happens in a breakdown if trusted. These guys have really failed in their communication strategy. If they are shrewd enough to pull it off okay but if not low-rents like me will definitely take the opportunity to call them clumsy abusive fuckers. I guess I should take a calmer approach since I was telling others to hang in there.

Jerome Shields
160 Posted 23/06/2023 at 23:34:26
Moshiri is equivalent to Kenwright. How can this whole sorry recent saga be understood otherwise?

I am being to think no agreement between Kenwright and Moshiri ever existed, they really are Blood Brothers from the start.

Paul Ferry
161 Posted 23/06/2023 at 23:35:27
Barry Rathbone, 153.

"Plenty of info out there if you want more detail but essentially that covers it".

Sorry Barry, that's absolutely laughable and shows, as I thought, you had absolutely no understanding of what you were spouting about, and that you would be unable to answer the questions I asked.

I don't need more "info" or "detail", I'm a Professor of Sixteenth- and Seventeenth-Century British History and have taught this stuff for twenty-five years.

I was intrigued to see how you would react, and you didn't let me down.

You clearly don't know your history, although like your sense of our club and its fans, you clearly want people to think that you do.

Brent Stephens
162 Posted 23/06/2023 at 23:37:02
Dale, if it's chaos, then maybe the serial communications are each out of date even as they hit the news; telling what "was" but unable to tell what "is".
Dale Self
164 Posted 23/06/2023 at 23:56:59
Brent this is getting deep and I just wanted to kick them. Now I’m curious, do you find Moshiri in a situation beyond his control that makes him a sympathetic figure? Not that you defend him but that you can see a good man struggling with the circumstances that may have escaped his good intentions?
Brent Stephens
165 Posted 23/06/2023 at 23:59:52
Dale, that might well be where Moshiri is. I just don’t know. None of us does, I suspect. Yet.
Si Cooper
166 Posted 23/06/2023 at 00:03:01
What did Simon Jordan say? World class ‘influencer’.

The term ‘influencer’ just makes my skin crawl anyway. I still can’t get around the notion that Bill’s influence comes mainly from knowing where the ‘bodies are buried’. Surely he can’t be considered to be indispensable. He won’t even work as a human shield for Moshiri because he’s just had the ideal opportunity of ditching him.

Paul Hetherington
167 Posted 24/06/2023 at 00:08:22
I tend to just lurk on here, but I can't contain my excitement as I wait for Barry Rathbone - a man as reliably certain about everything as he is wrong - a man suffering from some sort of tragicomic life-wide Dunning-Kruger effect - to explain to a history professor who's spent a career studying the civil war how it is that it is actually he, Barry Rathbone, who is the expert in the conversation.

Please don't disappoint, Barry. Some of us need to get our laughs where we can.

Dale Self
168 Posted 24/06/2023 at 00:09:04
Brent, I get that so let me know if I’m kicking him too much My take is that if they leave it open for speculation I have an imagination. If they had maintained better communications throughout this period I would certainly mind decorum for my club. I don’t wish to disturb or rile up anyone with my unfounded perspective. Just using what voice I’ve got so sorry if it was selfish.
Jay Harris
169 Posted 24/06/2023 at 00:13:22
Jamie there are no MSP board members at this juncture just more Kenwright regime employees being voted onto the board which consists of Moshiri non exec
Kenwright Chairman
Colin Chong CEO
James Maryniak, currently Director of Finance now director
John Spellman, a Chartered Accountant, businessman and Everton fan used to work under Inglis I understand now direcor so no football man on the board and Moshiri /Kenwright having dfull control.
Brent Stephens
170 Posted 24/06/2023 at 00:16:33
Not selfish at all. Dale.
Brendan McLaughlin
171 Posted 24/06/2023 at 00:16:56
Paul #167

Rarely, have I ever agreed with Barry, but if that's your contribution...stick to lurking.

PS Looking forward to Paul F tearing Barry R a new one!

Dale Self
172 Posted 24/06/2023 at 00:21:45
Phew, thought I was in deep there.
Dale Self
173 Posted 24/06/2023 at 00:26:50
I don’t know Brendan, that was a fine spirited post by Paul. Not a taking sides but that was some TW material.
Neil Carter
174 Posted 24/06/2023 at 00:50:22
Kenwright to stay to see through our transition?
What? Into a Championship team?
Brendan McLaughlin
175 Posted 24/06/2023 at 01:00:50
Dale #173

Paul can't contain his excitement...why exactly?

Don Alexander
176 Posted 24/06/2023 at 01:25:17
Ingles, Sharp and lil Ms D having been removed whilst in receipt of mega salaries for the square sum of F A suggests to me that they took mega pay-offs to do as they were bid, to the further cost of OUR unable-to-afford-anymore-players club.

As though they now give a Kenwright-inspired fuck though.

But Chong and t'other new guy would be bonkers beyond belief NOT to accept an Everton directors salary of immense size, devoid of even a scintilla of accountability to those identified by everyone outside the boardroom as, what's that weird term?, oh yes!, "fans"!

Bob Parrington
177 Posted 23/06/2023 at 01:30:19
OUCH Paul, why don’t you tell us exactly how you feel?

We’re all in this together.
Alan@ 50 - I am peed off with the BK drama but do think you provided a sensible, balanced argument.

Dale Self
178 Posted 24/06/2023 at 01:34:54
Brendan 175, I don’t know but I thought “ tragicomic life-wide Dunning-Kruger effect” had a ring to it. I think I know why Prof Ferry got excited though.

Denis Richardson
179 Posted 24/06/2023 at 02:02:53
Not the news I was expecting but I'll reserve judgment until the season kicks off.

The club has 7 weeks to sort its shit out.

Pete Clarke
180 Posted 24/06/2023 at 03:01:31
Jeff Moorad recently spoke about who and what MSP invest in and what they look for when investing in sports companies.

He highlighted a few things but also said he looks at where people are from and believes that a person can't lie or bullshit their way to a result or what they want.

He clearly hasn't done his homework on Kenwright unless he now believes he has stumbled across a genius who does just that!

Serious question: Is all of this stress and anxiety over a piss-poor football club worth the trouble? We are in deep shit and the owner rewards failure with continuity.
Jamie Crowley
181 Posted 24/06/2023 at 03:39:08
Jay @ 169,

Before I address your Board composition explanation, and thank you very much by the way, I have to say:

I know nothing about this English 16th-Century Civil War.

Being a true American, I thought the only Civil War in world history occurred on the North American continent.

I digress.

Jay, that means one of two things if I'm reading the room correctly.

1. Moshri has loaded the Board in the hopes that he will maintain control after the MSP takeover, allying himself with Bill and some "True Blues" to do his bidding, all the while cash-grabbing from some Yanks; or,

2. We have a lame-duck Bill surrounded by temporary appointees place-filling until the real MSP finishes the deal and exerts their influence.

I hope to God #2 is the reality.

Supposition, but soap-opera stuff is fun to speculate about.

Jamie Crowley
182 Posted 24/06/2023 at 03:43:37
I have to add:

This whole saga is a fucking train wreck. Everton is a bit of a circus at the moment, pitch a tent and sell tickets.

Bad times happen. Transition requires patience. But, man, this transition and acquisition of cash is a mess. We need to get through this as fast as possible, go straight cliche and "regroup", and get back to winning ways and fiscal security super duper fast.

Captain Obvious in despair…

Jay Harris
183 Posted 24/06/2023 at 04:00:47
Jamie, it was stated 'interim board', so I'm hoping it's just until MSP get their ducks in a row and your Option 2 comes to pass.

But, after the '48 hours' lie and given Moshiri's attempt to retain control, I'm unfortunately thinking we may end up with Option 1.

With Dumb and Dumber running the show, I really fear for the foreseeable future.

Jerome Shields
184 Posted 24/06/2023 at 04:15:07
What has been achieved by Moshiri's latest move? Given that he had a history of telling us how good the members of the Board are, having provided funds on the basis of their decisions, and when things went South, he assured us that they would be sorted.

Moshiri has speced-up the Board by replacing Barrett-Baxendale, Ingles and Sharp with better-qualified people in Chong and Spellman. He has at last taken a position on the Board himself. The keeping on of Kenwright with his full support calls for a revaluation of their relationship.

Kenwright has enjoyed Moshiri's continuous support since he took over Everton. The upgrade of Ingles's understudy shows confidence in the financial management of the club. It is hard not to draw the conclusion that Ingles is a scapegoat for mismanagement of finances and breaches of Profit and Sustainability rules, and an attempt to appease the independent commission.

Kenwright will almost certainly come under continuous pressure from Fans, being clearly identified as a source of Everton's problems. Moshiri's another source, but is not as clearly defined, he will be targeted for pressure also. It may be that Kenwright is there to deflect blame from Moshiri.

Everton have had that many transition periods and projects that have not altered the slide, it is hard not to be sceptical, not helped by Mishiri telling us anything to get off the hook in the past. He is clearly determined to maintain control and the MSP Directors appointment has not been triggered by their loans being converted into equity. MSP are to provide a loan to fund the stadium development, that has been attempted to be sourced for some time.

Has Moshiri pushed the problem down the line, by not confronting the crisis at Everton? There is the immediate and urgent problem of not being able to field a Premier League team against Fulham in the season opener. Dyche had escaped to a festival either because of the need to relieve frustration or because he is not expecting immediate movement. Another immediate problem is Usmanov's promise of Ancelotti's bonus, which Everton are refusing to pay.

A new chapter has begun at Everton, hopefully it is not a continuation of previous Chapters. Barrett-Baxendale's, Sharp's, and Ingles's severance packages will make interesting reading. They seem satisfied with them. It was mooted as far back as April in a Moshiri-inspired leak that board changes were a possibility.

Joe McMahon
185 Posted 24/06/2023 at 04:42:11
Just a thought, I hope the interim board don't jump ship after a couple of weeks of hearing Bill regale them with tales of the '60s, '80s, Z-Cars and the Boys Pen. I'm not joking either.
Rick Tarleton
186 Posted 24/06/2023 at 05:35:42
It is blatantly obvious that our British Iranian owner has no regard whatsoever for the feelings or views of the Goodison faithful. He pays the piper and he calls the tune.

That he allows the posturing fool to continue to pretend to be the Chairman of this once-great club when Kenwright is manifestly responsible for its decline, is a sign of the contempt he has for the Everton supporters.

What next? Re-sign Rooney as player-coach, Bring Duncan back from exile to assist him? Appoint David Moyes as Director of Football? — anything is possible. Watch this space.

Sean Roe
187 Posted 24/06/2023 at 05:37:55
Transfer deadline day:

''Everton sell Jordan Pickford to Man Utd with an hour to spare, bringing in club legend Bobby Mimms as his replacement.''

Mark Andersson
188 Posted 24/06/2023 at 05:51:35
Best thread ever – full of insightful posts and passion.

I'm with the many of No Surprise Here! However, I'm emotionally detached...

Interesting time ahead, as always.

But I expect another relegation battle, one I think we will not survive.

Peter Carpenter
189 Posted 24/06/2023 at 05:59:14
Like a turd that won't flush.
Derek Thomas
190 Posted 24/06/2023 at 06:47:51
So to sum up the last 6 or 7 years...

As the club travels from 'poorly run' via 'laughing stock' to 'Total Shit Show' (calling at all stations in between), under-qualified 'Yes-Men' directors were appointed, who, surprisingly, don't help much.

These under-qualified tossers are then eventually duly thrown under the bus – and their presumably even more under-qualified deputies appointed (Colin Chong gets a pass for now).

Yet Stan and Ollie are still fiddling (chose any alleged meaning you like there – I couldn't possibly comment) while Everton burns.

Why am I not surprised?

Pat Kelly
191 Posted 24/06/2023 at 08:36:05
Have we signed an interim striker yet ?
Billy Roberts
192 Posted 24/06/2023 at 08:39:37
Jamie @181
If you wish to know more about the English Civil War I would suggest you contact Professor Paul Ferry before the other " expert" on ToffeeWeb.
Tony Everan
193 Posted 24/06/2023 at 08:40:06
Pat, We are still in the seven year transitional period with regards to signing a striker.
Tony Mace
194 Posted 24/06/2023 at 08:57:27
Whoever organises the large flags on the street end can we please have one for the Fulham game showing a cockroach with the words “Kenwright Out” under it. We need to keep reinforcing the message that he is simply not wanted.

The pre-season friendly against Sporting will be my last until clown Kenwright is gone.

If we don’t take decisive action now we will simply be left with more photos of relegation battles adorning our once great institution for many years to come.

Maybe Kenwright has decided to split his theatre business. Comedy for the South East and Tragedy for the North West?

Tony Abrahams
195 Posted 24/06/2023 at 09:13:18
Pete @180, I think I know the answer to your serious question, mate: Either carry on supporting the team, or watch Everton slowly turn into something like Birmingham City.

I remember going to Birmingham one Monday night and the atmosphere was absolutely electric, then going back 18 months later before the clocks had gone back and getting an instant feeling that the fans had no fight left, and I just knew the other blues would get relegated. It's why I use them as an example.

I'm personally not going inside Goodison again whilst Bill Kenwright remains the chairman of Everton, unless he's still here for the last ever match at Goodison, because I wouldn't let the bastard deprive me of this.

Tony Harrison
196 Posted 24/06/2023 at 09:18:57
What an awful decision by Moshiri – and even worse by Kenwright to accept! Another example of these 2 clowns putting 2 fingers up to the fans. Where is the logic for this given our performances over the past 2 years?

Clubs who suspect they will be in a relegation battle next year must be jumping for joy as we have made staying up easier for them! Embarrassing by the most badly run club in the Premier League and possibly the Football League.

John Hall
197 Posted 24/06/2023 at 09:29:12
Well. as they say 'There's nothing as permanent as temporary!'

He's waiting around long enough that Moshiri will be forced to name a stand after him at the new stadium. Namely the 'Turd that won't flush stand!' (Thanks for that one, Peter. ;))

Laurie Hartley
198 Posted 24/06/2023 at 09:43:18
Not much good news here except perhaps the appointment of Colin Chong as “temporary” CEO. It appears to me he is doing a top job with the stadium build.

I have a feeling he is made of the right stuff and will get a place on the new board. Just need a few more like him now… and of course Bill's replacement.

Pete Neilson
199 Posted 24/06/2023 at 09:50:45
When in doubt ask what the Everton board would do. All part of the 120-point plan.
Neil Copeland
200 Posted 24/06/2023 at 10:12:15
John #197, “The Floater End” maybe?
Tony Harrison
201 Posted 24/06/2023 at 10:12:57
Ask what the Everton board what they would do…

Then do the complete opposite.

Clive Rogers
202 Posted 24/06/2023 at 10:35:04
We are witnessing the end of Everton as a big club.
Alan J Thompson
203 Posted 24/06/2023 at 10:41:39
Mind you, there's still no evidence of any agreement that Bill has to stay on as Chairman or that he has proof that Moshiri is just a front man but, if he has, then he too might find that his position is just as vulnerable as he has withheld this knowledge for his own purposes. All just coincidence of course, as otherwise, the club would have told us why he's still here, wouldn't they?

What price Bill buys out the major shareholder for half of what he was paid for it? This certainly makes for some great conspiracy theories which only time will tell if the full truth ever comes out. Perhaps Dr France can tell us if there is anything similar in those volumes for which he gave up Dixie's medal.

Alan McGuffog
204 Posted 24/06/2023 at 10:48:40
Clive with the greatest respect. Have you, perchance, been incarcerated on Devils Island for the last 25 years?
Clive Rogers
205 Posted 24/06/2023 at 10:52:37
Alan, no I have watched Everton for 65 years.
Eddie Dunn
206 Posted 24/06/2023 at 11:03:53
The worrying aspect of this development is that all it achieves is money to continue the new stadium work.
Meanwhile we have no idea how much money(if any) will be available for players.
Prospective targets will be put off by the total shambles that is EFC. Who would want to join us under these circumstances?
Unless we have clarity and very rapid action then the new season might see us short of players and even missing our management team.
Dyche did wonders with this group despite Lampard's attempt to relegate us.
No one would blame Dyche for resigning.
His reputation has been enhanced and he won't want to stain his record by leading us down next season.
He must be considering his options.
Danny O’Neill
207 Posted 24/06/2023 at 11:17:52
A nice break from the soap opera that is Everton, Jamie.

Yes, we had a civil war, executed a King on Whitehall and very briefly, for about a decade, England was technically a republic until we reinstated the Monarch and everyone was friends again.

A bit like you lot getting annoyed and throwing tea into Boston Harbour. Having a spat, you installing a former British Army officer as your first President, us marching on Washington to burn down the White House in 1812. Then we all became friends again!

I've visited a few of the Civil War sites. Gettysburg is the most impressive and most significant. Very close to the balance and had it gone the other way, we'd have had two nations on what is now the continental USA. The CSA and the USA. Akin to an Everton relegation scrap; close to the knuckle.

The UK and Europe has historically carved itself apart through conflict and civil war. Probably the most recent was the former Yugoslavia in the '90s, which I had the misfortune to witness first hand. Very sad.

Back to Everton. The club had an opportunity to appease and attempt to mend the damage done by the previous regime, but has opted for an existing "interim" regime. With the glaringly obvious still present. However temporary, talk about antagonism.

Weeks before the season starts and we dither and continue to put plasters on the cuts. The story of the Dutch boy who put his finger in the leaking dyke springs to mind.

All reactionary and papering over the cracks. I can only hope we are awaiting the investment to be confirmed, then they take grip, influence and we rid this club of ours of the remnants of those who have failed.

Alan Myers put a piece up that featured on Sky Sports News.

It does give me hope that this is, indeed, temporary. It has to be as he remains well connected and well informed.

McNulty commented on the BBC yesterday. The nationals are onto it.

They may have stayed away since January but, in this day and age of social media and 24/7 news, they can't ignore the sentiment swelling amongst an increasing majority of the support base. The one constant that keeps this club and the team going has truly been taken for granted for too long.

We will be there, as we always are. But those who don't belong are not welcome at our club and our stadium, old and new. If you do choose, then come and sit or stand amongst us, just as you did as a young supporter. I doubt it very much.

Despite all of the explanations, I am still confused why Moshiri has kept Kenwright, even if it is temporary. Just go, Bill. We can't start the season with him still in place. It will be a distraction when all we want to do is move on and support the team. For the sake of yourself, the club, and the supporters, just go.

We need a new chapter. As with any change, there is uncertainty and risk. But this surely outweighs the trauma, risk, cliff edges and staring down the abyss we have endured in recent seasons. Notwithstanding the steady decline, fall from grace and status since the late 90s?

Elton John plays his last gig tonight at Glastonbury. I hope he sings that anthem that will resonate amongst most of us. It does in the Winslow. Sing along to it.

Clive Rogers
208 Posted 24/06/2023 at 11:23:11
Alan, 204, could you list what we have won in the last 25 years please?
Ian Bennett
209 Posted 24/06/2023 at 11:35:29
More chance of overthrowing Putin, than Kenwright.

Nuke proof cockroach.

John Williams
210 Posted 24/06/2023 at 11:43:26
May I suggest that some on here try to get an appointment with their GP (I know its not easy) and ask for some happy pills.

In the next month, you will be seeing players recruited
that you will not be happy with or never heard of, but
that is the situation Everton FC are in.

By the way, someone put up "the club haven't won anything for 25 years" – neither have 90% of clubs in all the leagues.
The Premier League changed football, whether that was for the better is anyone's guess.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
211 Posted 24/06/2023 at 11:52:36

1938-39 League Title to 1962-63 was 24 years and only solved by the richest man in football throwing money at the problem. We actually went from 1933 to 1984 – 51 years without winning the FA Cup and only 1 lost final in the interim.

Since the Premier League started – Jack Walker's millions in 1995, lucky Leicester in 2016, and them lot in 2019 are the 3 in 31 when Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal or Chelsea did not win the league.

Why not us? 4 people: Ferguson, Wenger, Abramovich and Sheik Mansour.

Eddie Dunn
212 Posted 24/06/2023 at 11:57:03

We won the FA Cup in 1966.

John Kavanagh
213 Posted 24/06/2023 at 12:01:44
This isn't universally bad news. Every Chairman and finance officer in the UK (and a good few abroad) will have got their 'Useless Fuckers We Can't Get Rid Of' folders out of the filing cabinet on hearing that Chairman Bill is around for the transfer window.

They will be licking their lips at the prospect of getting fat fees for their wasters courtesy of our ace negotiator. The news will be especially welcome at Old Trafford and Spurs where Levy has already booked a table at the Savoy.

Ray Roche
214 Posted 24/06/2023 at 12:10:11
Phil, as I recall at the time, Moores didn't just give Everton a shed-load of money, he stood as guarantor for loans which enabled us to buy players.

He was a very shrewd businessman and wouldn't throw money about. This, I believe, is a commonly held misconception that he just poured money into the club.

Barry Rathbone
215 Posted 24/06/2023 at 12:12:08
Paul @167,

Sorry to disappoint but, like many others, you read stuff that simply isn't there. It seems, like other blusterers, your affliction with confirmation bias is massively deep-rooted. I simply have not professed to be an expert on the English Civil War.

I admit to knowing a lot more than most on the matter simply because I have a fascination with British military history. The Napoleonic Wars, The Crimea, The American War of Independence and the colonisation of parts of Africa all fall under the same umbrella – but I don't profess to knowing more than professors who specialise in the study of such.

However, let us not lose sight of the essential point at hand. Uncontrolled insurrection may begin with the best of intentions – the idea of a change of board leading us to the land of milk and honey is appealing. But it doesn't usually work that way, as I have exampled; in fact, the usual result is disaster for many years.

So, to avoid further descent into the abyss, it is undenieably better to avoid a leadership vacuum.

I might write a letter, on behalf of the silent but sane members here, congratulating Moshiri on his foresight.

Should I wish Bill Kenwright good fortune in this difficult transition or is the consensus empty shell cases within a mysterious package more representative of the ToffeeWeb Illuminati?

Michael Lynch
216 Posted 24/06/2023 at 12:12:41
John, you're not wrong there. Levy completely stiffed Interim Chairman Bill on the Dele deal, can you imagine what other shite he's got for our gullible leader to swallow?

Moshiri asking Bill to stay on because of his "experience" is like begging Boris Johnson to stay on as Prime Minister because he might have done the job really fucking badly, but at least he's done the job.

Dave Abrahams
217 Posted 24/06/2023 at 12:20:41
Phil (211),

I don't know if John Moores was the richest man in football but I believe he might have been the only man, at the time, to give his club interest-free loans. I'm not sure if he donated any money to the club, but the interest-free loans obviously benefitted Everton FC.

Tony Abrahams
218 Posted 24/06/2023 at 12:22:41
How might this letter start, Barry?

Dear Farhad, finally I have something to congratulate you for doing. I know that by keeping on Bill Kenwright, you will be alienating a lot of the fan base, but don't worry, mate, because the silent sane people are behind this clever thought-out move.

Brent Stephens
219 Posted 24/06/2023 at 12:23:28
Michael #216,

Yes, asking Bill to stay on would be madness. The analogy I'd draw though is not with Bojo, as if that's not bad enough, but with one Liz Truss.

Dale Self
221 Posted 24/06/2023 at 12:54:02
Ian 209, have you read the international news today?

Also, shouldn't there be a ‘t' at the end of ‘now' in the article title? That would at least be comforting.

Clive Rogers
222 Posted 24/06/2023 at 12:58:23
Phil, 211, times have changed.

Abu Dhabi own Man City, Saudi Arabia own Newcastle Utd, Chelsea have rich owners. We cannot compete with them.

They are worth trillions and we are skint. MSP are not rich enough to change that – although they may manage the club better.

Alan McGuffog
223 Posted 24/06/2023 at 12:59:02
Ha ha... Clive, I think we're in total agreement but have misinterpreted one another.

For my part, accept my apologies. You stated that we are witnessing the end of us being a big club. I was suggesting that we have been witnessing that for many a long season.

I can't compete with your 65... I'm a newcomer at 62! 😃

Ken Gray
224 Posted 24/06/2023 at 12:59:05
The hurt just won't stop.
Barry Rathbone
225 Posted 24/06/2023 at 13:07:51
Tony @ 218,

Hole in one there, Tone, saved me considerable time. I would only add "Got any sheikhs up your sleeve, Mosh baby?"

Brian Williams
226 Posted 24/06/2023 at 13:29:13
I see that "information" has been released that Kenwright got as far as writing his resignation letter before Moshiri spent 4 days, yes 4 days folks, trying to persuade him to stay on.

Whoever "released" the info, and there's no prize for guessing who it just had to be, continues to take real Evertonians for fools, and treat them like shit.

When I read it, I actually laughed – it's that pathetic!

Tony Abrahams
227 Posted 24/06/2023 at 13:30:50
Considerable time, Barry? That only took me a conservative 2 minutes, pal!

Brian, it's why it's probably better when no news comes out of the club.

David Peate
228 Posted 24/06/2023 at 13:32:21
I watched my first Everton match in 1943. From St George's junior school, in the 1940s, my pals and I used to dash to Goodison every Wednesday after school to get in free when the huge gates were opened at three-quarters time.

I have experienced good and poor times supporting this club home and away. Unfortunately, I am no longer able to attend matches. However, in all those long years, I have never experienced such a negative and vitriolic reaction, however warranted, to events surrounding the club.

I can only hope that the Chairman can see the light and resign. This will allow Evertonians to resume what they do best – support the club, its manager and its players.

Paul Ferry
229 Posted 24/06/2023 at 13:33:40
Barry (Rathbone),

It's a tad daft if not inaccurate to compare Everton and us fans with seismic geo-political transformations with global impacts.

That might be like analysing Bootle's own Back Street Betty's thus far rusty and little-noticed singing career with reference to say Beyonce.

They are in fact worlds apart and absolutely no basis for comparison. The chairman of any football club is in all likelihood a more practical and attainable target than say a near 900-year-old French royal dynasty or 304-year-old Russian royal dynasty with all the implications of what might follow. You're wrong to include England's “Civil War” as that never was an “uncontrolled insurrection” or some sort of “rising' or “revolution” of the masses.

Speaking about ‘mericans and chucking tea in harbours, there were tons of Chicago Cubs fans even on the short hop from Limehouse to London Bridge. I see they're at the porn king's stadium today and tomorrow. Seeing ‘mercians with baseball caps on back to front and shades perched on said caps reminded me of how much I miss those United States.

Like many, I'd love to see Barry put a copy of his letter up on here, to show us how he can part the Red Sea and lead us into the chosen land.

I'm a little unread on this “confirmation” thing Barry, but it does seem to me that there is rather more substantiated fact on the “Bill has not been very good” side of things than the “Bill has in fact been very good” opposite shore, where so much more seems to be postulated on the basis of claims to knowing what someone did or might have done.

That is your case in a nutshell, Barry; my sense of what I don't know is better than your sense of what you don't know. You actually do not make a strong case at all for any aspect of Kenwright's tenure and you are most definitely not the “sane” alternative in the face of a great deal of fact that it is foolishness or just plain bias to ignore.

Michael Pennington
230 Posted 24/06/2023 at 13:37:32
Some laughable comments on here. Here are a couple of the best:

1: "Boycott the Fulham game" — No thanks. I've got a season ticket and nobody stops me going the game.

2: Why don't most people on here know what the word 'interim' means???

The season hasn't started yet and the moaning has started already.

Derek Knox
231 Posted 24/06/2023 at 13:47:55
Is that maggot Kenwright Teflon-coated? What a farce!

Funny how everyone goes bar him, and he is/was the main root of the problems for the last 34 years or so? If it wasn't so serious and sad for the fans, and the club, it would be laughable.

Nick Page
232 Posted 24/06/2023 at 13:56:56
Good Lord, this just gets more ludicrous by the day …..

“The report from Mark Douglas says: “I understand that Kenwright had gone as far as writing a resignation letter, only for Moshiri to ask him to reconsider. The Everton majority shareholder then spent four days trying to persuade him to stay on in the role as chairman.

“The thinking – according to those aware of the conversations – is that in another difficult summer Moshiri did not want to lose what he believes are the valuable deal-making skills of Kenwright, who is an experienced transfer market operator.

“With the club almost certain to have to sell once again in this close season to fund the major surgery required on the squad, there will be a premium attached to driving a hard bargain. The £60m fee raised for Richarlison last summer came after Kenwright's personal intervention in talks with Daniel Levy.”

Source: Bill Kenwright writes Everton resignation letter amid four-day Farhad Moshiri plea over transfer plans

So Moshiri begged Barnacle Bill to stay on as he has valuable deal-making skills? And made a personal intervention with Levy to raise £60m.


Here's me thinking he was just a Chairman and didn't do anything else. Where's all the clueless morons on here that thought this? You should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves, what you've allowed to happen to this football club. Shameful.

Clive Rogers
233 Posted 24/06/2023 at 14:01:15

Sorry I misunderstood, but I don't think we were finished till the last 7 years or so.

Paul Ferry
234 Posted 24/06/2023 at 14:15:55
Nick (Page),

Why do you feel the need to end what was an entirely legitimate and informative post by referring to "clueless morons" who do not think the same as you?

I think that the number of posters on here who think that Kenwright "was just a Chairman and didn't do anything else" might be counted on the fingers of one hand, possibly two, but probably one.

You seem to bask, hide, get mouthy in the majority opinion Nick. Can you please explain to me exactly how posters on here are to blame for where we find ourselves today?

If all you can come up with is the well-worn "they don't protest do they, it's that, innit" riff, well you're hardly front-line megaphone holding Nicky, are you?

You remind me of long lost but not forgotten Jimmy Sorheim, the bloodthirsty crazed Norwegian blue who typed "revolution" and "storm the directors box" day-in-and-day-out from his safe perch in Trondheim or Oslo.

So, Nick, give me another reason why posters on here are to blame other than your bland regurgitation of "burn the witch, innit".

Mark Taylor
235 Posted 24/06/2023 at 14:22:06
It increasingly seems Everton are now a real estate play with a side interest in football.

The incoming investors are focussed on the former given how they seem to be structuring their deal, as is our new 'interim' CEO. And so, I suspect, is a certain Uzbeki lurking in the shadows.

Meanwhile, who better than Bill Kenwright to sell our best players and find another Dele-style gem of a deal...???

Barry Rathbone
236 Posted 24/06/2023 at 14:33:47
Paul @229

I disagree with almost everything you say bar this:

"𝒀𝒐𝒖 𝒂𝒄𝒕𝒖𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒚 𝒅𝒐 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒎𝒂𝒌𝒆 𝒂 𝒔𝒕𝒓𝒐𝒏𝒈 𝒄𝒂𝒔𝒆 𝒂𝒕 𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒂𝒏𝒚 𝒂𝒔𝒑𝒆𝒄𝒕 𝒐𝒇 𝑲𝒆𝒏𝒘𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕'𝒔 𝒕𝒆𝒏𝒖𝒓𝒆."

I'm on record as blaming Kenwright and Moyes for the unwritten contract of mediocrity with fans that was always likely to end in demise as others improved.

Why would you think I should be making a case for Kenwright's tenure with that view? Odd.

What I will say about Kenwright is we never looked into the abyss as we do today under his sole control. So you have to ask what changed?

It's a puzzle, isn't it?

Brian Williams
237 Posted 24/06/2023 at 14:43:07
I just can't believe how so many grown men read something and instantly take it as truth.

Is there a shortage of salt?

Paul Ferry
238 Posted 24/06/2023 at 14:47:27
Fair enough, Barry. I was only stretching back over the last little while than over the long-term, so apologies for misrepresenting you.

Fair question at the end there also. I don't think that Kenwright is in any shape or form in "sole control"; it seems, if Nick Page's information is correct, that he had to be presided upon to stay on as chair.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
239 Posted 24/06/2023 at 15:02:38
Eddie Dunn,

How could I have forgotten that wonderful day when my mother was scared my dad was going to have a heart attack when Trebilcock made it 2-2.

Going to take me years to live down the shame of that memory fail.

But to make us realise there is always someone worse,
10 February 1899 or today? Which is closer to those media darlings' Big 6, Tottenham Hotspur, last title win? 🤣

Graham Fylde
240 Posted 24/06/2023 at 15:09:40
That's the point, Paul – 'if Nick's information is correct!'

Nick seems to be buying the 'Mosh begged him' line but many other versions are available. How about 4 days of negotiation because Kenwright going puts Moshiri on the hook for buying his shares?

Gives Kenwright leverage to stay put in the interim and, the real worry, perhaps the longer term if Moshiri's money has dried up. Just as believable IMO and, according to Paul the Esk, the buyout obligation came from somebody close to the original SPA.

Who knows? Not me. The bigger worry is what happens after the interim period? Maybe he gets an honorary title, like Phillip Carter, and turns up to the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, smiling and waving.

John McFarlane Snr
241 Posted 24/06/2023 at 15:17:13
HI all, it saddens me to see fellow Evertonians at each others throats. I understand that we all believe that our contributions are worthy of discussion.

But if I can't get my point across within two or three posts, I generally avoid endless disputes by operating what can be described as a 'Black List'.

Fortunately I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to resort to such a method. I get pleasure from contributing and sharing views with others, and off-site I have met quite a few really good Evertonians along the way.
Pete Clarke
242 Posted 24/06/2023 at 16:24:54
I don't believe for one second that Moshiri asked or begged the horrible fat-head to stay on. This is all theatre shit that has been put out to try and keep us in suspense.

Bill is in control and he told Moshiri in no uncertain terms that he's not leaving, so they came up with this stupid story. That's my take on it anyway.

Another thought that was going through my head was that it is so clear and obvious the way football is heading anyway and we have lost our club to these two pricks. We are meaningless to them and they probably laugh at our loyalty. They have ripped the heart out of Everton.

Maybe it's time to plan for the future with a supporter-owned protest club, Supporters Trust, or a buyout for majority shareholding so we have something to fall back on once it all implodes.

Danny O’Neill
243 Posted 24/06/2023 at 16:26:29
That wasn't a bad post until your last paragraph, Nick Page.

No need to label fellow Evertonians as "clueless morons'. If that was your intent. Maybe taken out of context? If so, I stand corrected.

We agree, we disagree. We agree to disagree. I get shouted at daily by my son, youngest brother and a friend I talk to regularly. You know who you are, Brian!!

We all have one thing in common.

I hope the 'moron' jibe was directed elsewhere and not at our loyal supporters, who yes, have different views, but the same belief and passion.

Barry Hesketh
244 Posted 24/06/2023 at 16:33:09
It's a bit difficult to know which person is sending or receiving the emails in the link below; however, it's a fascinating glimpse of how things allegedly were at the club in 2011:

Incredible if true (Kenwright, Elstone, Ross content)

John McFarlane Snr
246 Posted 24/06/2023 at 16:39:24
Hi all, I would like to state that my opinion does not refer to posts of the present only, it's probably been this way since the formation of the ToffeeWeb site.

I can't recall exactly when I initially logged on, but it would likely be in excess of 10 years. I used to read the posts prior to that, and I have to be truthful and confess that I have enjoyed reading the views of fans of different eras.
Frank Kearns
247 Posted 24/06/2023 at 16:54:24
Doesn't matter one iota what we think – we are not important.

The powers that be will do what they want – revenue from fans is inconsequential.

As is our opinion – you need money in the pot to piss in it.

Dale Self
248 Posted 24/06/2023 at 16:58:07
Good words, John Sr. I'm hopeful that these times will ultimately bring us all closer but our vibes and voices are not in harmony right now for sure. That is where some leadership would have served us all.

Read what Barry Hesketh posted from Alan Myers and take a breath, have a drink, ride a bike, whatever.

Brian Williams
249 Posted 24/06/2023 at 16:59:34
Barry #244.

It appears that 12 years have passed and the only thing to have changed is, errrrrrr..... nowt!

Barry Rathbone
250 Posted 24/06/2023 at 17:06:30
Paul @238,

Thank you. You are a gentlemen.

Barry Rathbone
251 Posted 24/06/2023 at 17:10:03
Brian @249,

I wish that were true.

We may have sailed the waters of mediocrity for many years but presently we are on the verge of sinking without trace. The change has been monumental.

Mark Rankin
252 Posted 24/06/2023 at 17:35:21
Heard the Wagner Group are on their way to Goodison for a takeover…
Frank Kearns
253 Posted 24/06/2023 at 17:45:34
Mark @ 252 😂😂😂
Alan Corken
254 Posted 24/06/2023 at 17:46:19
Mark @252...

That really made me chuckle.

John McFarlane Snr
255 Posted 24/06/2023 at 17:49:16
Hi Dale [248] what little I managed to read didn't make good reading, and unfortunately I am unable to test your remedy. I am on 15 tablets a day, recently reduced from 18, so there must be an improvement somewhere, and if I can hang on until 15 July, I will be 85.

Although I learned to ride a bike when I was 11, I never had the good fortune to possess one, so it looks as though I will have to keep taking deep breaths as you suggested and hoping for the best.

It was my intention to save them for the opening of the Bramley Dock Stadium, where I can happily watch "Football that takes my breath away".
Dale Self
256 Posted 24/06/2023 at 17:49:18
Mark 252, don't stop there. Keep it up until we can get a live forum for this.

And how did Robert Wagner get involved with these mercenaries?

Dale Self
257 Posted 24/06/2023 at 17:50:35
We make it through this John Sr. To 85 and beyond. As for Vlad, not so much.
Kieran Kinsella
258 Posted 24/06/2023 at 17:52:14
Wagner Group have a similar approach to recruitment as Everton. Prigozhin may be after Thelwell's job.
Dale Self
259 Posted 24/06/2023 at 17:55:03
I was wondering why we hadn’t heard from Siggy.
Mike Hayes
260 Posted 24/06/2023 at 18:15:06
Dale Self - Frozen out? I’ll get me coat 🥸💙
Anthony Dove
261 Posted 24/06/2023 at 18:28:16
As a result of this decision, things will be potentially toxic from Day One of next season.
Derek Thomas
262 Posted 24/06/2023 at 18:51:49
Sorry, chaps, but what has the world come to?

I can't get my head around anybody having to beg Kenwright to stay on.

Ed Prytherch
263 Posted 24/06/2023 at 19:06:35

Kenwright wrote the press release.

Jay Harris
264 Posted 24/06/2023 at 19:08:43
Barry #244,

Thanks for that link. It confirms the dysfunctionality of the club under Chairman Mao (sorry… 'Bill' – as he likes to be called).

It shows the contempt for supporters who dare to question what is going on.

The whole club permeates with Kenwright acolytes and Moshiri is a bigger fool than them all.

Clive Rogers
265 Posted 24/06/2023 at 19:32:26
The Wagner group have turned back. They heard Kenwright is still chairman.
Phil Gardner
266 Posted 24/06/2023 at 20:36:48
Some bloke takes 4 people down in a homemade submarine controlled by an Xbox device and somehow Moshiri still manages to be the billionaire who's made the most ridiculous decision this week. Everton that.
Clive Rogers
267 Posted 24/06/2023 at 21:00:23
Phil, good analogy, Moshiri and Kenwright are taking Everton down.
Andy Meighan
268 Posted 24/06/2023 at 21:02:11
Phil 266. Brilliant. Pity Bill wasn't on that submersible.

Then again, he'd have probably wormed his way out.

Tony Abrahams
269 Posted 24/06/2023 at 21:13:54
It's not really that good an analogy, imo, Clive, because I'm sure that whatever is keeping Kenwright at Everton, was sorted out many moons ago?

Barry R, you come across as a sensible man who thinks everything out, but sometimes you do have to consider where the end game started, imho, mate.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
270 Posted 24/06/2023 at 21:20:50
I kept reading John Sr as Sir John.

Perhaps that seems more appropriate.

Brendan McLaughlin
271 Posted 24/06/2023 at 21:26:22
Just tune into Glastonbury and listen to Lewis Capaldi.

It's a better place.

I need somebody to hold…

Tony Abrahams
272 Posted 24/06/2023 at 21:35:23
Anywhere is a better place than L4 at the minute, Brendan.

Kenwright slept on briefly with the fishes, but it was only a picture and he definitely wasn't in any of those baskets that fed the 5,000.

He is a man that is only interested in himself, and he doesn't give a fuck how much carnage he creates.

He will be sorry one day though because Evertonians have got nothing on those scouse mums he so enthusiastically told everyone about whilst he was in his spiritual home.

John Pendleton
273 Posted 24/06/2023 at 21:45:58
Interims, eh?

The universe was 10 billion years old before the Earth was formed and will stop expanding 17 billion years after the Earth is swallowed up by the sun.

We're only here for that 9 billion year interim. And it is our gravest misfortune that we have had to share the last 0.0000000028% of this interim with Kenwright at the wheel. Feels longer, I know.

If it's any consolation, I can't see him being there more than another 0.0000000003%. Which is very soon indeed, cosmically speaking.

Tony Abrahams
274 Posted 24/06/2023 at 21:58:13
Why are you staying on when you know at least a conservative 75% of the Everton crowd absolutely detest you, Bill?

(A) Is it because you love Everton Football Club and you want to protect it from the bastard who you sold the club to…?

Or is it:

(B) Because you are a closet Liverpudlian who has kidded most of the people most of the time and your mission to destroy Everton is nearly complete?

The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind, but on a hot summer's day in May, when you couldn't or should I say, wouldn't attend, is enough for most genuine Evertonians to tell you that they don't need a weatherman to know that you are an absolute fucking jinx! 🤮

28 years and still counting. Thanks for those good times, you dirty closet rednose, William – get on your uncle Cyril's handlebars – Kenwright.

Tony Everan
275 Posted 24/06/2023 at 22:08:45
Are we being fed a skip load of bullshit here? Moshiri fought for 4 days to keep Kenwright on because of his experience and acumen in the transfer window??? Give me a break, are we meant to suck this nonsense up?

More like Kenwright wouldn't back down from his chairmanship clause in the infamous takeover contract. Rumours he wanted £7M to walk away. That was too much for Moshiri and he said “No, you carry on then, take the flak, so be it”.

This 48-hour business, then nothing, then Kenwright is kept on after the other three board members are disposed of. I'm sorry, there's no way I'm taking the official line. The words, ‘interim' and ‘transitional' are a very easy and sly way to appease criticism. Notice there is no communication on these periods.

Mark Ryan
276 Posted 24/06/2023 at 22:12:46
I cannot think that there is a single person on this Forum that thinks Kenwright has been good for Everton FC, surely not.

I for one would be interested to hear from anyone that can tell me anything that he has done that has been good for the greater good of the club.

Let me know…

Brendan McLaughlin
277 Posted 24/06/2023 at 22:17:50
For fuck's sake, Tony #272

I was feeling mildly upbeat for a while on the West Coast of Ireland but you couldn't even let me have that. BTW, Andy Crooks is in this neck of the woods but we haven't managed to meet up yet.

L4 born lucky... that's what that postcode stands for!

Barry Rathbone
278 Posted 24/06/2023 at 22:23:11
Tony @269,

It depends what you call the "end game"? If it's a deviation from ambition and challenging for trophies to exist in a stupor at the top level, that lies at the door of the Kenwright & Moyes combo.

If regular relegation scraps, annual managerial changes, a failed DoF policy, potential points deductions, horrendous transfer business, and financial penury resultant of an ill-timed stadium build is the end game, that is a whole new caper.

And at the risk of upsetting disciples of the "It's all on Kenwright" cult, the idea he has worked Moshiri and Usmanov as some kind of Svengali creating the above is simply absurd.

James Hill
279 Posted 24/06/2023 at 22:29:38
Well, Moshiri just put one big middle finger up to Evertonians.
Paul Hewitt
280 Posted 24/06/2023 at 22:30:48
John @273.

When will the Earth be swallowed up by the Sun? Do I need to start panicking?

Neil Copeland
281 Posted 24/06/2023 at 22:33:16
Paul #280,

In about 9 billion years – less the few million that have already gone apparently. So, it may be a bit touch and go but I reckon you will probably be okay.

Tony Abrahams
282 Posted 24/06/2023 at 22:38:13
Life is absolutely brilliant though, John P, because when you stop being a child (sadly) you begin to understand that, unless you're naive or completely stupid (or possibly both), then you can begin to realize who has got good intentions compared to somebody who is just full of absolute pony.

Might said might, Barry R. It ‘might' only be words, pal, but if you took the 'A' away from how you told us all recently, how you currently feel towards Everton, then it might explain a lot of your posts, mate.

Apathetic? Or just a stupid ‘pathetic' individual who is trying to wind people up? I honestly don't know, but sometimes your views concerning Everton FC could do with adding even just a little bit more knowledge or understanding, Barry, or maybe you're just too clever for most of us? (Something that would genuinely explain a lot!)

Before you answer in your wisdomatic way, I just hope you realize I have just created a new word for you, Barry! Use it wisely, mate, because sinking without trace is simply not an option for most Evertonians, even if the quiet sane ones might see things differently.

When you might write that letter to Farhad Moshiri, tell him to fuck off from me, Barry, and also tell him to take the bastard who has tied him in knots and give him to one of Usmanov's physicians for a Christmas present.

Brent Stephens
283 Posted 24/06/2023 at 22:42:38
Tony #275, if it's as you guess, ie, that Moshiri is unwilling to cough up the £7M required to pay off Uncle Bill, then once Moshiri's new guys are on the board, Bill will just be outvoted and a busted flush. And seen to be, and shown up to be a busted flush. I doubt that would look good for the king of swagger.
Tony Abrahams
284 Posted 24/06/2023 at 22:44:50
I wrote that before I saw post 278, Barry, but what you said about it depending on what I see as the end game is enough for me to realize that I'm not dealing with a rational Evertonian, although I think I had already told you this in the post above.

The end game is simple: exist to compete, or just simply exist. And here's me genuinely thinking you were a clever fella, Barry.

Rob Williamson
285 Posted 24/06/2023 at 23:27:21
Re Neil at #281,

Billions? Wow, that's a relief, I thought you said ‘Millions'!

Barry Rathbone
286 Posted 24/06/2023 at 23:31:13
Tony @284,

"The end game is simple: exist to compete, or just simply exist."

Am I missing something or have you just proffered 2 end games?

Which was kind of my point except one happened under Kenwright whereas both seem to be vanishing under Mosh. Do you not see this basic truth, Tony?

Si Cooper
287 Posted 24/06/2023 at 23:49:23
And at the risk of upsetting disciples of the "it's all on Kenwright" cult the idea he has worked Moshiri and Usmanov as some kind of Svengali creating the above is simply absurd.

Why is it absurd? It is only absurd if you assume Moshiri and Usmanov are undupeable and wouldn't partner up with someone who is apparently good (a world-class influencer) at convincing people he is Mr EFC.

I've yet to meet anyone who is infallible but I've met a fair few highly rated individuals who turned out to be huge bluffers who fooled people you wouldn't expect to be easily misled. Doesn't the whole confirmation bias / Dunning-Kruger / heuristics field have a bit that says very intelligent people can have enormous blind-spots precisely because they've become accustomed to being right ‘all' of the time?

Usmanov and Moshiri never really ‘earned' their fortunes. Usmanov was just one of a bunch of ruthless opportunists who was in the right place at the right time when the wealth of a nation was shared out amongst those lucky few; Moshiri was just the useful financial fixer who made Usmanov's money ‘respectable'.

To cut and run now would probably mean they make losses on what they have invested, so is it really impossible that, to stay involved at EFC until they can maximise their pay out, they have to keep sweet a guy who knows some things they wouldn't want spread around?

Isn't the Sherlock Holmes saying “When you have eliminated everything else, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the answer.” I can only think of 2 reasons why Moshiri would need to keep Kenwright on as Chairman.

Only one option matches up neatly with how things were, on the face of it, set up between them and how things are currently unfolding.

Paul Kossoff
288 Posted 24/06/2023 at 23:57:48
Apparently the so-called Everton supporter on TalkSport called us a baying mob, and his mate Jordan called us the same.

They genuinely see us as that, don't they, not as true supporters and decent people but a baying mob out to hang Kenwright who, according to Jordan, is a decent bloke despite the fact he has near single-handedly driven us through the killing floor.

Barry Rathbone
289 Posted 24/06/2023 at 00:05:22
Si @287,

Do you really think it was Kenwright's idea to go down the DOF route after all those years of not having one?

What about the incessant changing of managers – do you think he was promoting such nonsense after only having 3 managers during his entire tenure?

Do you honestly think he cajoled Moshiri and Usmanov into appointing Benitez?

Maybe I'm living in a parallel universe…

Brendan Fox
290 Posted 24/06/2023 at 00:07:38
Most of us are not surprised that – long since the 48 hours passed – the putrid stench of Chairman Bill's corpse just cannot be exorcised from the club.

Moshiri has a lot to answer for, the spineless cunt; however, he needs someone to protect him from the flak from the fans when things go south.

Supporting this club should come with a health warning.

Don Alexander
291 Posted 25/06/2023 at 00:10:52
Simon Jordan is joined at the Talkshite hip to that screeching tosser Jim White, Moshiri's "chosen one" in the whole world of media.

So is it any surprise at all that Jordan and White, who share the same show, all kowtow to Moshiri and his entourage?

Kieran Kinsella
292 Posted 25/06/2023 at 00:15:33
Can we get Lukashenko to negotiate the takeover with the result Kenwright goes into exile in Belarus?
Danny O’Neill
293 Posted 25/06/2023 at 00:53:53
Up late watching Glastonbury on the BBC.

All on Kenwright? I'm not sure that anyone is saying that. The point is that he has been the ever consistent presence at board level since 1989.

A period we declined steadily bar the odd spike, from not long being League Champions to almost being relegated 4 times in that period until now.

His influence is clear to see, even for those, like me, who don't have inside access.

We need a long due fresh start and real change. It's a risk, but so is any change. It just can't be or get any worse than what we've endured. We need optimism, but that has to start at the top. Not more of the same, which there will be an element of if Kenwright remains.

He simply can't remain. Having been part of a board that chastised its own supporters (the final straw of many), how does anyone think he can walk back in and take his seat? He has made his bed.

I think the interim appointments, with the exception of him remaining, are okay for now and I assume things will change once the investors come in and really shake things up. Or is that just hope? Well, hopefully it is coming soon and we start the season with a totally fresh outlook and leadership.

I can't do TalkSport. It's not an Everton thing, we are probably just topical right now. They are just wind-up merchants who seek to antagonise to get phone-ins from people they have irritated. They do it on purpose. They know nothing about Everton and our supporters.

Steve Brown
294 Posted 25/06/2023 at 04:19:24
It's pretty simple.

The owner is of course to blame, but won't go until he receives a commercially acceptable offer for the club.

Nothing prevents the immediate departure of the board who have been responsible for huge debts, successive relegation battles, a financial irregularities charge, and alienation of the fans.

They should all have left at this point. This situation will not be resolved until Kenwright is gone, and his departure is as inevitable, so don't delay it a second longer.

Christine Foster
295 Posted 25/06/2023 at 04:27:47
Barry @289,

I understand completely what you are saying but all things are just shades of grey. It wasn't good under Kenwright before Moshiri, it's certainly been a different level of incompetence since.

It's not a case of all being well before Moshiri because it wasn't – we were broke. Exactly why is the point. Kenwright got into bed with the wrong people, he found the wrong investor in Moshiri but, in truth, he had little option.

He not only made bad calls in his day as major shareholder, he tried to deceive the fans and was found out time and time again. That hasn't changed.

In Moshiri, he found his paycheck and a fool. Whether or not Usmanov was the real driving force is conjecture, as is who was responsible for exactly what or which decisions in the last 7 years.

The fact remains we were badly run before Moshiri and badly run after he came on board. We were on our way to hell in a handcart before he came on board; once here, he put an engine on the handcart and threw away the steering.

We may have a new train, a new engine driver, but the destination is the same, just heading there faster. The fat controller has been left behind carrying off the loot...

Kieran Kinsella
296 Posted 25/06/2023 at 04:34:49
Good news:

The Mirror are reporting our transfer budget is zero. That's about £50 million more than I anticipated.

Alan J Thompson
297 Posted 25/06/2023 at 06:15:41
It has been variously stated that the reason Kenwright may be remaining is because of his vast experience with negotiations in transfers.

His experience cannot be doubted but what is most questionable is his ability and the quality of these dealings in both player transfers and with those interested in purchasing the club, from the viewpoint of the best interests of the club alone.

Jim Lloyd
298 Posted 25/06/2023 at 07:49:47
Well said, Alan,

Seeing as we're stuck with them "for an interim period", I think it's worth seeing how they perform. Colin Chong has efficiently overseen the building of our new stadium. The two new directors? Well, let's see what they contribute.

Unfortunately, it's true that Kenwright has a load of experience in negotiating, but I think he's had a) a free hand during his time as Chairman, before Moshiri took over; and b) I think Moshiri has been led a merry dance by him since coming to the club.

In other words, I think Kenwright is mainly responsible for running the club into the ground.

I think (hope!) that this board are preparing the way for a new permanent board once the MSP deal is finalised.

Whether we've got any money to spend is a matter that whoever becomes the "permanent" Board members, is not likely to change; but who knows?

Anyway, how this man is going to have the face to come to a match, I'm waiting to see. I'm just hoping the other Directors and the CEO (we've had CEOs leave after a few weeks in the past, if I remember correctly!) but we need a Board. Kenwright has vast experience but my view is he's been in it for himself first, the club a long way behind second. So I'm hoping that the men around him have him under control.

We need this board to act in a professional manner so that no further calamity drives us further into the mire. Just do a professional job until MSP have come on board. And keep Kenwright in a straitjacket!

Danny O’Neill
299 Posted 25/06/2023 at 08:21:02
That's pretty much it, Jim. Bang on.

Steady the tiller until the investors come in and influence change.

Bill can focus on the Old Palace theatre he bought.

By the start of next season, he is gone. Maybe some of this interim board remain, but the investors will want their own people in place and will want to influence, if not call the shots.

Jim Lloyd
300 Posted 25/06/2023 at 08:42:14
I hope he's gone by then, Danny. We've had a never-ending cycle of our club being badly run. Hopefully, these men can be the start of the long road to our club being rebuilt into a great club again.
Laurie Hartley
301 Posted 25/06/2023 at 08:58:31
Jim # 298,

The performance of Colin Chong will not have gone unnoticed by Dan Meis and has now been rewarded by Farhad Moshiri. He is about to be introduced to MSP a global operator whose people I am sure will be running the rule over him.

This a huge opportunity for our “interim” CEO. I am tipping he will seize it and, amidst all the current confusion and anxiety, that is one thing I find quite reassuring because he has a proven track record in the building and construction game. Not an industry for the faint-hearted.

Jim Lloyd
302 Posted 25/06/2023 at 09:02:24
I hope so Laurie, I think he's shown he's not afraid of great responsibility and handles it well. And being appointed CEO, I think he'll use that power it gives him.

If they keep Kenwright from thinking it's back to "I'm in Charge", then I think that will be a good start in our recovery.

Tony Everan
303 Posted 25/06/2023 at 09:21:05
We should never forget our relegation escape was merely a reprieve. Whilst Kenwright sits on the throne at the end of the boardroom table, the club has no unity whatsoever.

His retention means there is a continuing chasm between the suits and the supporters. The discontent is a boiling pressurised well of swirling magma, waiting for the inevitable fissures to appear.

The club needs unity or relegation becomes a much bigger threat than it needs to be, along with the existential threat it carries. It's beyond belief that Mr Moshiri cannot see that and risks everything on this one man.

If he loves Everton, and is a true supporter, Kenwright should walk away now and let the club come together. He needs to put club unity before personal financial gain and his own hurt ego.

Some of us who are borderline Everton insane sometimes think that decisions are made to specifically trying to run the football side of the club into liquidation.

Like selling players who can score goals and not signing a striker given multiple opportunities to do so. This catastrophic failure, nine times out of ten, would have seen a club relegated.

Now Kenwright's retention which is going to cause disruption and disunity in spades, is going to affect players, manager, staff and support. Another decision that will unnecessarily have us in the jaws of relegation.

I know all that is not true , but the way this club is run leaves me dumbfounded.

Christy Ring
304 Posted 25/06/2023 at 09:39:19
So much for Kenwright being a great negotiator, Levy is still laughing after the Dele Alli deal.
Tony Abrahams
305 Posted 25/06/2023 at 09:42:38
Your basic truth is telling me absolutely nothing, Barry, because I believe we reached the end game a very long time ago under Bill Kenwright's absolutely appalling reign of mediocrity.

I think everyone can see that Moshiri has come in and made things a whole lot worse, but I find it incredibly difficult to believe that Moshiri genuinely wants Bill Kenwright to remain at Everton.

I honestly believe that there has got to have been some kind of agreement in place which is allowing Bill Kenwright to still remain at Everton but I obviously hope I'm wrong and the next few weeks might just bring about the real change that Brent talks about in his post @283.

You call it a sensible move, Barry, but when I listened to an older fella yesterday saying this move just signals a complete lack of respect towards the Everton fanbase, I agreed with him 100%, especially because I don't believe that Brent's theory will play out.

The end game is 28 years without a trophy. Absolute mediocrity and something that will soon be 29 years. This has mostly been overseen by the biggest curse in Everton's very long history.

Jerome Shields
306 Posted 25/06/2023 at 11:59:26
The use of the words 'interim' and 'transition' would seem to point to that other dreaded word used often at Everton, 'project", which is rather more long-term.

There has been a tendency at Everton to tell the fans anything to get them out the door. The present Board could be here for a while…

Mark Ryan
307 Posted 25/06/2023 at 12:21:05
We are in a state of chaos because Bill Kenwright found us a billionaire with less football acumen than my Gran. That lack of footballing knowledge includes having no concept of Financial regs in Football.

Worse still, whilst Moshiri hired and fired many managers and the allowed the club to buy badly in terms of the playing staff, Kenwright as Chairman has proved that he weilds little to no control over Moshiri. He has stood back and allowed chaos to reign and is a chump. Paid handsomely for achieving what?

I could have done what Kenwright has done and sat back and kept my mouth shut. Truth is he really doesn't care. It's not his money that's been spunked on dross players and the wrong managers. He doesn't care. No loss to him.

Everton are rock bottom in the Premier League but he cares not. That's why he needs to get out of the club

Peter Moore
308 Posted 25/06/2023 at 13:44:53
'Time and tide wait for no man'.
It feels like impending footballing and financial doom is inevitable unless the financial paralysis is released shortly.
The likes of Viktor Gyokeres are rumoured to be heading elsewhere soon. Everton is in too perilous a situation to try and hope DCL can stay fit.
We need footballing solutions secured sooner than later to allow Dyche to work with a balanced squad, one that has fit proper strikers that will allow the endeavour of the team to be rewarded with GOALS!!
The boardroom mess is shambolic. Bullshit Billy must go for the much needed fresh start to begin, so we can rise from the bottom of the pile. To keep circling the plughole that is relegation and expect another miracle escape is far too much optimism for even me!
Please Everton, give us reason for footballing optimism.
The Bramley Moore stadium is the dog's bollocks. It needs Premier League football not relegation at its birth. UTFT
John Pendleton
309 Posted 25/06/2023 at 14:40:14
We are forced to rely on the two people who created our problems to find the solutions. And many hope that those solutions include removing one and reducing the power of the other.

Let’s hope MSP have imposed a serious timeline and not 48 hours of Fergie time.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
310 Posted 25/06/2023 at 15:23:40
Like selling players who can and signing ones who cannot.

If Bill is deciding who to sell and who to buy, what is the job of Brands and Thelwell?
Or do we blame him for everything including the obnoxious guy sitting next me during the match with Southampton in 2007?

Raymond Fox
311 Posted 25/06/2023 at 15:35:07
Kenwright will bow out before season starts or very soon after, his position is untenable. I'll be amazed if he intends to carry on.

Its anybody's guess what our team will look like when we kick off against Fulham but I've every confidence that Dyche will at least keep us in the division.

Its all up in the air, we will have to wait and see how it all pans out.

Lets hope its more under control than it looks like from the outside.

Ian Riley
312 Posted 25/06/2023 at 15:42:34
Our aim for next season has not changed. Premiership survival! We are skint and are under investigation for over spending. Actually having Mr Kenwright might work to our advantage. He knows the premiership hierarchy and will protect Everton best he can.

Yes we need change but this may be the right path in the short term as we face many challenges. My thought is you put us in this mess Mr Kenwright as chairman, get us out of it!

Remember staying in the league is our number one priority. Better days will come but we must come through the storm first. This is no quick fix.

Jay Harris
313 Posted 25/06/2023 at 15:43:38
One question I would pose for everyone is how can you run a football club from London and Monaco and not set foot in the dressing room or Finch Farm.

It like having a prison with no Warden leaving the middle man to do as they please with no coordination, control or direction.

Alan J Thompson
314 Posted 25/06/2023 at 15:55:02
Phil(310); You weren't sat in the Directors Box were you? Of course not, there wouldn't have been anyone else in there. Oh, hang on, 2007.
Barry Hesketh
315 Posted 25/06/2023 at 16:04:14
Jay @313
Having watched the guy on ToffeeTV, speaking about how a board operates, it is my conclusion that it is the interference of the owner and the chair that is likely to be at the root of Everton's issues.

Each board member is responsible for a particular department, and it is the people in each department that carry out the work required to achieve whatever particular goals that have been set.

When a decision has to be made that needs the boards approval, the department head presents their request and the board either sanctions or denies that request. A fairly routine way of getting things done you would think, but I feel that the Chairman and the Owner are far too fond of micro-managing too many things and far too often, whereby the various departments may well question their own roles and the role of each department head.

That is the culture that will more often than not lead to failure rather than success and it's the culture that has seemed to engulf Everton for many a year.

It needs a more hands off approach rather than a single person or duo, getting involved in every area of the club.

Raymond Fox
316 Posted 25/06/2023 at 16:16:11
You can say what you want about Moyes, when he was manager, he did a first class job with the money that was available to him.

It's really gone pear-shaped since Moshiri became the owner, It's been down to a few poor managers but mainly it has been caused by buying the wrong players. Now who you blame for that is up to you, but the truth is we really don't know.

There have been a few extremely well-paid people employed to find and sign the right players who have performed very poorly indeed.

I want to see Kenwright do the right thing and leave, like the rest of you, but you can't put the blame solely on him.

Brian Wilkinson
317 Posted 25/06/2023 at 16:39:34
I can only come up with one solution for Bill remaining for now: we are facing a hearing in October, all other board members have left, if Bill goes as well, that leaves Moshiri to face the hearing.

For once, I think the owner has played Bill at his own game, so Bill will have to go and face the charges. I think Bill's ego is so big, he has not even thought for once someone is throwing Bill under the bus.

I really hope that is the only reason.

Jay Harris
318 Posted 25/06/2023 at 16:54:01
Barry, I totally agree with you but I was trying to make a different point that compounds your point.

You only have to look at the emails that were highlighted recently that Bill operates a culture of deceit and division which left to the local guys means they are often at loggerheads with each other.

And as for Black Bill being an expert at negotiating transfer deals – that alone highlights how clueless Moshiri is.

David West
319 Posted 25/06/2023 at 17:24:56
Barry 315 & Jay 313
Barry's got the right idea.
Look at city! Their owner has been to 2 matches in about 10years. They get people who are experts in the job and let them do their job.
I don't think their owner is telling pep who to buy !

It's not about the owners being present. Let's face it moshiri knows nothing about the game.

It's about delegation. Choosing the right people to do the jobs that their experience and expertise give them the clout to say this is what should be done.
As an owner or chairman their jobs are just to facilitate what the people they have employed need to succeed in their jobs.

The Ceo, DOF, manager & academy director should be left to do what they are hired for not be told by the owner and chairman what to do or why hire them !

It's this meddling that's got us here.
Get a top notch CEO. Pay them Gabamins or gomes' wages and let them run the club !

Michael Connelly
320 Posted 25/06/2023 at 17:37:28
The unfortunate reality is that it's Moshiri's meddling that has got us into the mess we are in on the pitch, but he's providing us with a fantastic £750m stadium, so much easier for the ire to be directed at Kenwright and other members of the board, all of whom have no doubt been undermined by Moshiri's interference.
Mike Hayes
321 Posted 25/06/2023 at 17:50:13
The only way that narcissist is leaving is in a pine box - he’s buried in deeper than an Alabama tic 😡
Jonathan Tasker
322 Posted 25/06/2023 at 19:10:40

Kenwright is our version of this.

David West
323 Posted 25/06/2023 at 19:26:39
Michael 320.

Fair comment. I belive, because of the stadium investment, Moshiri has deflected a lot of criticism on to Kenwright. A clue to why he's being kept on, in my opinion.

Bill has a lot to answer for but, as Raymond @316 puts it, it's not all at Bill's door. As a previous poster stated, we were never at this perilous position when Kenwright was in sole control.

The new investment and board structure with Moshiri being able to basically overule anything the board would like to do is the root cause.

You can appoint who you want to the board but, if they haven't got the balls to stand up to the owner and tell him the home truths and when he's making bad decisions, then the board are insignificant.

This is where Kenwright has messed up. He was meant to be the voice of reason, the experienced football man, the negotiator, the man to tell Moshiri where he's going wrong.

Bill's failed. Failed to reign in Moshiri, failed to tell him when he's doing the wrong things, failed to negotiate for transfers, wages, managers and DOFs.

I can give Moshiri the benefit of the doubt, but Kenwright and Barrrett-Baxendale should've seen all this coming. The massive waste of money, the continued hiring and firing of mangers and DOFs, the P&S issues, the absolute contempt for fans – all are just unforgivable.

Moshiri has this last chance to bring people in, experienced people, people with track records of success.

You can throw as much money at anything, build 10 stadiums but, if we are fighting relegation with a team that's shite year on year, no one cares if you spent £10 billion.

It's a football club – if you don't get the football right, all the rest is meaningless.

Brian Wilkinson
324 Posted 25/06/2023 at 19:50:45
David @323, B

Bill was in a meeting with Levy to thrash out a deal for Dele Alli, enough said.

Jerome Shields
325 Posted 25/06/2023 at 20:10:25
Tony #305,

That would have been my view that some type of agreement existed. But it appears to be the case that Moshiri values Kenwright's input and that has been the case from the start.

Kenwright is Chairman because Moshiri says he is a good Chairman and that he is able at running Everton. It is hard to fathom given the repeat evidence that that is not the case. But Moshiri has been consistent in his support, even giving reasons now for his support, so he is not in agreement on interpreting the evidence.

Barrett-Baxendale, Ingles and Sharp have all taken the blame and are gone. The MSP money is a loan and, even if it is converted into shares, is not a takeover.

Moshiri is in Control and Kenwright is in the same position of power. Spellman is known by both Moshiri and Kenwright. The other promotions are just upgrades from the same regime.

The only difference is an increase in expertise at board level. On the football front, little has changed. Very much dependent on Dyche and Thewell and the limit of the support they are provided with.

The squad is in decline and needs urgent action. The transfer policy will be the same: sell first to realise value, look for bargains and loans.

All is dependent on Dyche's ability and getting a full football season to guarantee safety.

Nick Page
326 Posted 25/06/2023 at 20:19:07
Hands up all those who think Kenwright has done a good job since he bought Peter Johnson out?
Mike Hayes
327 Posted 25/06/2023 at 20:24:21
Nick Page,

He's done a great job of killing the Club, and looks like he's let Moshiri carry on whilst he watched – Nero, fiddle, burn and Rome come to mind. 🤷😡

Nick Page
328 Posted 25/06/2023 at 20:42:37
That's my point, Mike. I've been making the same point for going on 20 fucking years.

There's some dumbies around but some of the potty-brains I read on here beggar total belief. They've watched their (supposed) football club be turned into a laughing stock, a makeweight and a total non-entity since the last FA Cup win in 1995 but it's all okay cos, you know this halfwit conman actor and self-proclaimed “world's biggest blue” saved us all (OMG, the drama).

From what exactly? He supposedly spent years 24/7 looking for investment and then found someone stupid enough to give him money and pissed it all up the wall.

>nd if you still believe that's to do with transfer prices, think again, dumbies – it's all to do with costs and assets in the Profit and Loss statement. He signs off on everything.

I'm sick to death of reading the same shite over and over again. Like many others on here. In fact most packed it in (fair play) cos these people just wore them down with their total and utter intransigence.

Kenwright needs to go. Everyone associated with Kenwright needs to go. The club cannot move forward until it's happened.

Please just process this very simple solution, and together – as one – Everton Football Club can rebuild.

Michael Connelly
329 Posted 25/06/2023 at 21:00:39
David (323). Agree with a lot of your post, but I am not sure you can give Moshiri the benefit of the doubt.

He treated the club like his plaything when he first took over, with reckless spending that has hamstrung us since. Agreed that Kenwright should have been advising not to spend £45M on Sigurdsson; £24M on Schneiderlin etc, but if he is a Dictator and an impatient one, then any advice may count for little. Supposedly, Iwobi was a €34M 'gift' to whoever was manager at the time… 🤦

You could say then that Kenwright managed to find the wrong billionaire, but then you look over at Bramley-Moore Dock and you think maybe not. Then again, the new stadium could have also happened with a different investor.

I believe Moshiri has learned lessons along the way, but the past reckless spending is killing us on the field at the moment. I do feel, however, that the stadium will be a game-changer in terms of attracting investment and players, and that a bit of stability on the field for the next couple of seasons will lead to a brighter future.

Mike Hayes
330 Posted 25/06/2023 at 21:06:22
We've all witnessed the club's decline since the rat took over to sink the ship – but certain fans turned a blind eye to it all.

Everything he's done and said has been with smoke and mirrors – he is a bad actor, as proved in Coronation Street and an episode of The Liver Birds playing the part of what he is – a red shite.

How anyone now can like, trust or believe him must be of the same ilk, no other explanation. He searched 24/7 for a money-mad mug and found a bigger twit than himself and the Club and fans are suffering for it. Who knows what's next? 🤷

Lynn Maher
331 Posted 25/06/2023 at 21:48:02
Just watched Elton John singing our theme song:

Don't wish it away
Don't look at it like it's forever
Between you and me, I could honestly say
That things can only get better

Guess that's why they call Us The Blues!

Laurie Hartley
332 Posted 25/06/2023 at 22:29:22
Very good, Lynn - a bit of optimism won't do us any harm just at the moment.
Paul Birmingham
333 Posted 25/06/2023 at 23:26:07
"Not Giving In".

Greg Nelli
334 Posted 26/06/2023 at 04:44:17
Purely hypothetical.

If it is indeed true that we are unable to make any purchases either because of P&S rules or not having the money, would you all have a problem with the board and CEO et al announcing that is the case?

Obviously there is a history of the club not being entirely transparent with the financial position of the club. I seem to recall a large amount of expenses grouped into a vague name circa the Moyes era, obviously the jibes re: "where's the Arteta money" and this P&S issue.

I guess what I'm asking is I think we understand that the club is in a poor state but would your attitude change if the club laid all the problems on the table? Of course I would hope those culpable would be held to account but in the sense of admitting there's a problem, would we be closer to solving it?

Eric Myles
335 Posted 26/06/2023 at 07:12:59
David #323,

"the absolute contempt for fans"

You imply that this is because of Moshiri but it has been the epitome of Chairman Bill's reign.

Eric Myles
336 Posted 26/06/2023 at 07:19:07
David #323,

"As a previous poster stated, we were never at this perilous position when Kenwright was in sole control."

Rewriting history a bit there, aren't you!

Jerome Shields
337 Posted 26/06/2023 at 08:40:09
As long as Moshiri owns the club, Kenwright will be leaving only on his terms. Moshiri's primary objective is a development of his real estate interests on Merseyside, with Everton being part of that to add value.

Staying in the Premier League maintains and enhances that value. Something that Kenwright has done for years, enriching himself on the assets of the club. Something that Moshiri will take to a different level with Kenwright's help.

What if Kenwright sold Everton to Moshiri's using that pitch?

David West
338 Posted 26/06/2023 at 13:04:31

In my post, It said that:

"Kenwright and Barrrett-Baxendale should've seen all this coming. The massive waste of money, the continued hiring and firing of mangers and DOFs, the P&S issues, the absolute contempt for fans – all are just unforgivable."

How is that implying it's Moshiri?

I believe a lot of our problems are down to Moshiri and can't all be put at Kenwright's door. I'm no supporter of Kenwright, his time has long gone, but Moshiri is to blame also.

"This perilous position"

And I don't believe we were ever sanctioned for breaking P&S Rules or had the threat of points deduction or transfer embargo under Kenwright's sole ownership, or were forced to sell players by the league. Sponsorship lost due to his dodgy dealings with the Russians.

So I am not exactly rewriting history, am I, mate?

We were never in this position before Moshiri.

Christine Foster
339 Posted 26/06/2023 at 13:33:29
David @33,

Sorry but you cannot compare the two as simply as that. Kenwright had no money, mortgaged everything, sold players to pay the bank, to stay solvent. Our sponsorships deals were a joke, you couldn't even buy a shirt anywhere, we sold the best player we have had in a generation so we could pay debt.

We sold our soul because the man who owned us had neither the money nor business acumen to profit from the boom of the Premier League. Never mind the lies about votes, stadiums or investors.

In comes Moshiri. A man with significant money, allegedly backed by an even bigger sponsor, Russian or not, no one complained where the money came from until the Ukraine War. Financial mismanagement, no adherence to rules, no check on spending, incompetent financial management.

Two different situations, one caused by a lack of money, the other by too much, both handled with incompetence.

So you are right, David, we are not in the same situation as before, different circumstances completely. We are now accused of breaching financial rules to show limited losses; before, we never had the money to spend for that to happen, but both periods are underlined by the incompetence of management and the structure of ownership that allowed both to happen.

Hope that makes sense.

Brendan McLaughlin
340 Posted 26/06/2023 at 14:41:34
Sorry Eric #336 but David's right.

We leapt from the proverbial frying pan under Blue Bill into the fire under Moshiri and squandered billions whilst doing so.

David West
341 Posted 26/06/2023 at 14:57:57
Christine. 339.

I was not comparing I was just stating that Moshiri is not free of blame. The predicament we find ourselves in is Bill's & Moshiri's mess.

Which is a bigger mess than we found ourselves under Bill alone in my opinion.

Yes different circumstances absolutely. Bigger risks are involved now. With bigger risks you have either bigger rewards or bigger dangers. We are not reaping the rewards.

As the saying goes " More money, more problems."

Some people think that Kenwright's departure will solve everything. It won't if Moshiri keeps making the same bad decisions & meddling in football matters. If he doesn't appoint the right people, it won't make the difference we all want.

It's only a small part of what needs to happen. But a massive step in the right direction.

Pete Clarke
342 Posted 26/06/2023 at 15:40:31
The bigger issue here is Kenwright for sure. Not only for the shit he has dragged us through in the past with the Kings Dock, AGM ban, and the worst of all being Destination Kirkby but also for the fact that in his depraved way to hold on to his train set, he blocked us from being taken over by other potential buyers.

Kenwright could and should have stepped down when Moshiri took over but he obviously had already sweet-talked his way to run the club himself and went on to waste millions on crap players and dishing out stupid contracts to them and managers alike.

Moshiri stepped in at some point when he realized Kenwright was wasting his money and went on to prove he was also clueless at running a football club and wasted his own money. Inexplicably for an accountant that he was shit at his job too.

Moshiri gave us a chance by throwing money at the club and we can't fault him for that. He got the new stadium going and right now that's the only thing that has prevented outright rebellion against him.

Hopefully this mess is sorted out soon as the new board builds their own foundations and shove the old ones into the bin then open up us to a complete takeover from Moshiri and get him out.

Song for Kenwright to the tune of War (What is it good for?)


What is he good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again and again and again

Derek Thomas
343 Posted 26/06/2023 at 16:32:02
Bill set the original course... the destination 'may' have been paved with good intentions (?)

So there we were, slowly jogging along the senic 'Leeds in slow motion' route. Then Moshiri came along and threw or wasted poorly aimed millions* into the 'Hell in a hand basket' and placed that basket on the ' P&S Accelerator of Doom'

*The fact that some of those Millions landed in the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock is the only thing that stopped him being chased out ages ago.

How Bill survived as long as he has is one of the world's unexplained mysteries, like The Bermuda Triangle etc.

Brian Hennessy
344 Posted 26/06/2023 at 16:51:19
Our only hope is that MSP invest further in the club, increase their volume of shares, and eventually become the majority shareholders.

Only then, I believe, can we be rid of Kenwright. Billy the Liar is going nowhere until Usmanov's puppet loses control.

Danny O’Neill
345 Posted 27/06/2023 at 05:41:45
Christine @339

I keep making this point.

No one complained about Russian money until last year. Despite the fact that Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 and still occupies part of that country. They invaded and annexed part of the Ukraine in 2014, shot a commercial airliner down and had been waging a not-so-discreet war in the east of Ukraine since.

We all, not just Everton, not just football, continued to take the money until last year's tragic and ongoing events.

But 8 years of aggression that we were willing to turn a blind eye to. 14 years if you include Georgia.

Just as we are willing to accept Saudi money now. That's a tricky one as there are lucrative defence contracts at stake.

Roger Helm
346 Posted 27/06/2023 at 08:05:57
Every day I check in to see if there is news of a signing, or new funding, or new board members, or anything new at all, and all I get every day is silence.

Our squad is weaker than it was last season and it looks like we are sleepwalking towards another relegation battle.

Robert Tressell
347 Posted 27/06/2023 at 08:18:48
Roger, to be fair hardly any clubs have done any business as yet. There's a long way to go. I'm pretty sure the squad will enter the new season in better shape.
Kim Vivian
349 Posted 27/06/2023 at 09:58:03
I am exactly the same as Roger.

It would be nice to just even hear a squeak so at least we've got evidence of life!

Talek Cox
351 Posted 27/06/2023 at 16:34:09
What everybody is missing here is that the company can have no less than three directors, therefore I think this is why Kenwright stays and Moshiri is appointed.

I imagine this will change with the takeover.

Barry Hesketh
352 Posted 28/06/2023 at 12:45:56
The key to a new Everton, an Everton that meets the expectations of generations of supporters, and who will thrill and delight future Evertonians, is change. Change in every respect. It is change that will define our future. Change that is not a betrayal of our past principles, but the implementation of everything that we know is good about, and expected from Everton Football Club, its legal owners and those charged with delivering an Everton fit for its status in the game and its legions of supporters locally, nationally and around the globe.

So says Paul the Esk in his latest blog. We as supporters must welcome change, because whatever has occurred in the past hasn't been working, and somewhere along the line, the actual football has been lost as something that only the paying punters seem to care about.

A new Everton

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