Everton 2 - 0 Chelsea

Everton are back at Goodison Park for another huge game, this time against big-spending Chelsea.

Seamus Coleman is out injured but James Garner returns after sickness kept him out of the Newcastle game, while Amadou Onana is fit again but only named on the bench.

Mudryk was quickly on Young's case, his cross leading to a decent shot from Enzo that forced a save from Pickford, whose save came straight back to the Chelsea player but his second attempt flew wide.  

With Chelsea doing their best to pass it around, Everton forced the turnover and Garner surged forward, picking out Harrison but Calvert-Lewin was not up with the cross that was delivered into the perfect position, behind the defence but in front of the Chelsea keeper. 

Chelse responded, forcing a corner that was headed well over. Cucu barged over Calvert-Lewin and McNeil put a decent free-kick into the far post. 

A good contest was developing between Branthwaite and Broja. From a Chelsea corner, Plamer fired in a decent strike toward the top corner of Pickford's goal that he was across well to parry. 

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Gana Gueye, with a poor-looking scissor action fouled Enzo from behind and was immediately shown an early yellow card, his 5th of the season. But a good Everton press forced the turnover again and Everton were doing well to get forward quickly but with little real threat. 

A quick ball from McNeil failed to find Calvert-Lewin, and Chlesea resorted to more keep-ball until they released Broja and when the ball came back toward Palmer, Mykolenko's tackle looked to be a foul but he drew back his leg as Palmer fell and the referee blew the whistle for simulation despite Palmer immediately regaining his feet but too late to avoid a somewhat harsh yellow card. 

Chelsea continued to attack, with a low cross in that needed clearing behind by Branthwaite in in front of Pickford. A Pickford hoof bounced nicely for Calvert-Lewin but he turned out to have been offside as the game went quickly from end to end. A tremendous first-time volley from Harrison flew a couple of yards wide.

After Reece James went off with a hamstring issue, Chelsea won another corner but Everton again forced the turnover to keep them at bay. Branthwaite injured his left thigh challenging Palmer for the ball, and needed treatment.  

This time Chelsea forced a turnover off Harrison and surged forward, the fast cross from Mudryk flashing across Pickford's goal.  Mudryk was murdering Young down Everton's right flank and he whipped over another cross that Broja could only scoop behind.

McNeil looked to go through on goal from a long pass out from defence. but he stumbled on the ball as the flag went up for offside. Chelsea responded, Palmer firing over from outside the Everton area.  Young was replaced by Patterson, who caught Broja with his first involvement as Everton came under more sustained pressure. 

Everton tried to make something of a deep free-kick from Pickford but it flew wide past everyone, and Chelsea were soon on the attack again, Everton having to defend in numbers. 

But with 4 minutes added time, Calvert-Lewiin won Everton's first corner of the game that was initially cleared but Everton kept working it around for McNeil to force a second corner but Cucurella went down, play-acting after tussling with Tarkowski. Nothing came of the corner as Micahel Oliver brought the half to a close.

McNeil stole the ball and put in another beautiful cross that any self-respecting centre-forward would have devoured... but not our lumbering Calvert-Lewin, out of place yet again. It was end to end, Enzo having a pop. 

At the other end, McNeil looked to have made excellent space for a brilliant low shot into the corner but Sanchez got across suberbly to push it around the post. From the corner, it came out to Mykolenko who tried to take out one of the GOODISON letters on the back of the Park Stand. 

Some great work from NcNeil forced a wonderful ball this time perfectly into Calvert-Lewin's path but he could not lift the ball past Sanchez. However, he did play the ball onto Snachez with enough pace where it rebounded nicely for Doucoure to rifle the ball into the net. The VAR wanted to check offside but no chance. 

Branthwaite made a very laboured lunge at Broja in the dee and that saw him get his 5th yellow card of the season. Palmer shot hard and low through the wall and straight to Pickford. Palmer went after Mykolenko, then McNeil, finally getting called for the foul. 

Everton got some great possession around the Chelsea area until Patterson's cross found a Chelsea player. But Everton seemed to know how crucial it was to maintain control on the back of that vital goal, and showed no signs of sitting back to soak more Chelsea pressure, but it continued to be end to end. 

Chelsea came forward through Mudryk but Mykolenko anticipated the shot from Enzo and blocked it superbly. Palmer spun off everyone to fire a curler wide of the angle. After the subs, Chelsea surged forward again Jackson firing wide across goal.

Still Chelsea moved the ball well but Sterling did not like Mykolenko blocking him confidently and saving a corner as the game entered the critical final 20 minutes. Mykolenko did very well to stall Disasi as he danced in on goal. 

At the other end, Doucoure tried to play in Beto with an angled cross that ran away from him. Chelsea attacked again but Everton forced the turnover again and Everton went forward to apply some good pressure until Harison's cross was softly headed into Shanchez's arms by Beto.

At the other end, some tremendous Chelsea pressure was managed with shots from Cucurella and Palmer saved or blocked again by Mykolenko. Chelsea came very close through Palmer and Jackson but somehow neither could fashion a shot as the Blue shirts closed them down and cleared the ball. 

But Everton were struggling to sustain any counter as Chelsea kept coming back again and again, this time Mudyrk aking space and firing low only for Tarkowski to block it away from a corner. It fell in the 6-yard area and was miraculously cleared but the pressure was sustained, Chelsea winning yet another corner. 

A superb corner was driven in but Onana headed it clear as Chelsea committed a foul. But Pickford's hoof only came straight back to him, but Beto fought for the knock-down but sent it straight to Sanchez who he thought was further out. 

Mudryk surged in again, but the ball would not fall for a Chelsea player, and Everton got a free-kick to relieve some pressure, with Dobbin replacing Harrisson. 

More relentless pressure from Chelsea, a tremendous challenge for Onana on Palmer as he readied to shoot. Another cross in was headed behind by Patterson for another Chelsea corner, Gallagher's attempted shot well blocked. McNeil tried to break but he couldn't keep the ball. 

But Everton still had to pay another 7 added minutes, Pickford's free-kick getting a corner off Disasi. Garner's ball in was punched out by the sub keeper, falling nicely to Lewis Dobbin who fairly gave it a wonderful strike, a beautiful finish to send Goodison into raptures. 

Chelsea kept on trying as the Everton crowd were now loving every minute of the 7 added on. But the Everton players on the field kept their heads superbly while all around were going crazy. 

Everton: Pickford, Young (41' Patterson), Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Gana [Y:16'], Garner, Harrison (86' Dobbin), Doucoure, McNeil, Calvert-Lewin (67' Beto).

Subs: Virginia, Onana, Danjuma, Godfrey, Chermiti, Hunt.

Chelsea: Sanchez (84' Petrovich); James (26' Colwill), Disasi, Badiashile, Cucurella (84Mattson); Gallagher, Enzo, Caicedo; Palmer [Y:22'], Mudryk [Y:73'], Broja (66' Sterling).


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Geoff Lambert
1 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:03:56
Young in, Seamus injured.

Geoff Lambert
2 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:05:01
Garner back also.
Kim Vivian
3 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:12:22
I guess this has to be the starting 11 if we're squeezing Garner back in. I liked the shape on Thursday with Young playing ahead of Coleman and Patterson but short of leaving one of Gana or Garner on the bench that ain't happening.

Feeling pretty reticent about today's game to be brutally honest with myself although my head and heart tell me we are quite capable of 3 points today. However ,with my gut feeling I will be happy with anything we can take away from this game. We do need the 3 points though off the back of yesterday's results.

Shit weather, very grey gloomy day, bring me some blue sky sunshine, Blues!

Jim Wilson
4 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:16:07
I hope young has a blinder today but if he gets booked bring on Patterson who did well the other night when he came on.

Hoping Garner is fully over his illness and him and Gueye can put up a good show against Chelsea.

Dan Nulty
5 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:20:14
Best way to watch the game? I can't believe these 2 o clock kick offs aren't on TV?
Colin Glassar
6 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:22:59
Decent side. Hope Broja is not 100%. Great to see the Garner/Gana partnership back together.
James Marshall
7 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:26:19
I'm no expert on Chelsea but I've never heard of their two centre halves.
Jamie Crowley
8 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:27:31
I'm not Young's biggest fan, but he's played well the last 2-3 games. I'm not worried about him, especially with Paddo just behind him who is more than capable.

I said on the pregame thread I think fatigue - the amount of it and our response to its inevitability - will be the key factor in this game.

It's tough playing on 3 days rest. Hopefully Dyche's training keeps those legs serviceable today.

James Marshall
9 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:28:42
Jamie, when you say Paddo do you mean Patterson? He's on the bench if that's who you mean
Jamie Crowley
10 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:32:29
Yes. Who else would "Paddo" be James? Paddo, short for Patterson...

Or is this an Americanism gone wrong in translation? I dunno.

And yes, he's on the bench, hence "behind" Young, coming in if Young gets a yellow, so we're secure at RB in my opinion.

James Marshall
11 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:34:35
Sorry yeah. I thought you meant behind him as in Young wide right and Patterson (Paddo) at right back.

Lost in translation :)

Colin Glassar
12 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:34:44
Patto, Jamie, Patto.
Terry Farrell
13 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:36:50
James id much prefer Patterson to start agead of Young. Hes against Mudryk who is sharp and quick.
Jamie Crowley
14 Posted 10/12/2023 at 13:40:10
Colin -

St. Patty's or St. Paddy's??



But I'm the fish out of water here. If you tell me Patto, Patto it is.

But I get the heebee-geebies saying it. Paddo just seems right. To this silly fella anyhow.

Ernie Baywood
15 Posted 10/12/2023 at 14:08:23
Twice in 5 minutes we've seen why the Young selection is a disaster waiting to happen.

Chelsea won't need to play well. Just play it in behind Young. It will really be that simple.

Simon Harrison
16 Posted 10/12/2023 at 14:19:39
Jamie [14] It's actually Pat(t)s according to Swan Dyche...

Just to be salt in the salve :/)

Also it's St. Paddy's day, because Patrick (i.e. St. Patrick) is the anglicised version of the Irish Pádraig.

Hence St. Pád(raig)dy's day

I hope that helps a little.

COYB 0-0 to 1-0 or better please

Ernie Baywood
17 Posted 10/12/2023 at 14:52:46
Fair to say that wasn't a great advert for the league.

Definitely chances for us to be more effective from set plays. Whereas Chelsea seem hell bent on having pointless possession.

I don't remember Cucurella being this much of a dick? He's been shocking since the first minute.

Alan J Thompson
18 Posted 10/12/2023 at 14:59:21
We don't seem to have a lot in midfield, nobody seems to want the ball, where Chelsea look good but both seem to lack something in the striking dept.

I didn't comment on the Newcastle game as Optus were up to their usual 7 seconds play followed by 10 seconds freeze frame strangely except for the goals but then like this game, despite his work rate, Calvert-Lewin seems a bit of a powder-puff striker. I thought he could have launched a dive at one ball rather than just run behind it and the ball back to their keeper I thought he could have slid in but Dave Hickson he ain't, putting his head in where it hurts.

More work and a lot more inspiration wanted in midfield.

Ernie Baywood
19 Posted 10/12/2023 at 15:17:00
How was the Weetabix dive from Sanchez?
Jerome Shields
20 Posted 10/12/2023 at 15:21:14
We played okay in the first half, kept Chelsea at bay.

Need more space in midfield. Calvert-Lewin not leading the line effectively enough to create space.

Hopefully Everton have a strong error-free first 15 minutes of the second half and then Dyche needs Beto on for a more physical presence to lead the line and create the necessary space. Even better would be an early score in the second half.

Jerome Shields
21 Posted 10/12/2023 at 15:22:46
Great the goal they needed..Now they will have more space as long has they keep the line pushing forward.
Michael Kenrick
22 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:01:36
I think it's great to see these opposition players getting so mad by the end that they just can't keep it in check.

This time Jackson causing unseemly agro as they can't handle being beaten by the steaming Blue roller!

Paul Kossoff
23 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:01:36
Luton 1-2 Manchester City. Aaand breath. relax, smile, match of the day with a late supper, well done boys. 👮👮👮👮👮
Francis van Lierop
24 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:05:39
Just one word:


Danny Baily
25 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:06:28
Couldn't have gone better after the disappointment at home to Man Utd. Absolutely brilliant.
Daniel A Johnson
26 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:08:18
Great performance as the tank looked empty. Positives are Mykolenko and Branthwaite, the way Branthwaite defends just oozes class – no rash challenges or lunges, just stays with his man.

Tarkowski and Doucoure again immense. Only downer is the last minute lunges in the box we got away with a few today but they could have easily been penalties if timed wrong.

Christine Foster
27 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:10:27
Brilliant win, job done on slick Chelsea, one to remember for Dobbin, great finish.

I don't think I'll get back to sleep yet. I tried several streams, was Goodison quiet today? The crowd wasn't shown or heard virtually all game... odd?

Daniel A Johnson
28 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:11:30

I have a suspicion that the TV folk are using canned fan noise over the supporters to drown out the Premier League corruption chants.

Simon Harrison
29 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:12:03
What a great result. Just off the forum, a lot of happy chappies on there!

Could I just clarify: does Gana's and Branthwaite's yellow cards mean they miss the Burnley game?

Lee Courtliff
30 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:12:20
Fuckin get in!! I was expecting us to tire late on today and give away a goal but we stood firm!

No reason why Patterson shouldn't play next week at Turf Moor.

Neil Tyrrell
31 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:12:47
Another 3 points, another clean sheet, getting used to this!

Brilliant from the back line again, Palmer's screamer from outside the box early on the closest they came. Made up for Dobbin, seeing how excited he was to score was icing on the cake.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend Blues.

Brian Hennessy
32 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:13:10
Another brilliant win. Up to 10th place now and just 3 points behind Brighton and Newcastle and 4 points off the Champions League places.
Kieran Kinsella
33 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:13:57
Couldn't watch but were Young, Gana and the Chelsea goalie injured or tactical subs?

Three wins in a row three clean sheets. Daily Mail will be tearing their hair trying to sour our mood.

Neil Tyrrell
34 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:14:45
Watched on USA channel with the NBC crew, they made a point of showing the Corrupt banners just before kickoff. Good on them.
Pat Kelly
35 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:15:39
I think they both miss the next game Simon
Alan J Thompson
36 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:16:14
We looked better but not complete with Onana on as he again gets in position to take a pass and put in some very good tackles.

I didn't understand the VAR looking for offside with the first goal as it obviously wasn't just watching normal play, or is that how you manage a few decisions for the favoured few. The Referee, in the second half, also seemed bent on giving Chelsea everything but ignored the same against us. Branthwaite was booked for next to nothing, he slid in and the Chelsea man tripped over his legs, Branthwaite booked Gallagher just gets spoken to for something worse. And Cuccerella had his arms around Tarkowski's waist at every corner.

Beto really needs to up his work rate especially competing in the air even if it is just to make life hard for the defender but I thought Dyche should have had Harrison or Doucoure subbed 10 minutes earlier.

And then giving youth a chance pays off, a cracker from Dobbin.

Our MotM, too many and it would be unfair on the others to single out any one player.

I will say that Pocchettino is starting to put together a good side and while Broja has some pace about him they look like they need a Lukaku.

Peter Moore
37 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:16:27
Happy Christmas!

Sean Dyche is the Ginger Santa showering goals and clean sheets this December! COYB!

Jerome Shields
38 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:20:02
Everton 1 Premier League 0
Simon Harrison
39 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:20:07
Thanks Pat, just checked, and yep, both on 5 Yellows now, and auto-suspension. We'll miss them both at Turf Moor.

Still the team collectively are playing well. Very well, if not pretty.

Simon Harrison
40 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:21:29
Jerome, more like EPL 10 vs EFC 6/9.

If we can keep this form, and stay fit, hopefully we'll look favourite to stay up.

Chris Jones (Burton on Trent)
41 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:22:08

Young got a knock, Gana Gueye a yellow [subbed at half time].

Sanchez got a knock.

Mike Gaynes
42 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:22:16
Kieran #33,

Young and the keeper were injured. Gana appeared to be tactical or exhausted. He's suspended vs Burnley anyway.

John Atkins
43 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:25:42
Shame on the suspensions but a lot of games coming up for the rest of December so at least they'll have a rest ahead of the League Cup Quarter-Final.

Staying up and win the cup!

Peter Moore
44 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:28:41
Shout out to Derek Turner making first trip, with son, to GP in 34 years of being a Toffee.

I don't doubt the vocal support you both gave helped the lads on the pitch to this great victory. Well done, well played and Up The Toffees! Wishing you well for the rest of your trip.

Colin Glassar
45 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:31:05
We shall not be moved.

Fuck the Premier League!!

Phil Friedman
46 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:31:40
Who replaces Branthwaite vs Burnley…?

Keane didn't even make the bench today. We won't win with Godfrey in.

George Cumiskey
47 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:32:37
Myolenko's pockets must be Choc-a-Bloc with all the wingers he's got in them! 😂🤣
Dave Cashen
48 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:33:54
You beat me to it, Peter.

Get in Derek. Your boy now has memories that will never leave him.


Mike Gaynes
49 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:36:53
George #47, spot on. Today he put Fernandez in one and Sterling in the other. Sterling tried to beat him once off the dribble and never tried it again!

The two Ukrainians were the best players on the pitch today.

Kim Vivian
50 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:41:53
Hahahahaha – What an afternoon!

The suns come out… oh, hang on, no! – It's night time. Nice warm glow all over.

Earlier reticence was quite unnecessary it seems.

Brian Williams
51 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:42:03
Phil, behave, enjoy the win ffs.
Vince Hindson
52 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:48:12
Really pleased for Dobbin today!
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
53 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:53:08
Absolutely gutted.

3 home games at the start of the season we lost and should have won = 9 points. Premier League robbed us of 10 points.

13 points + 9 + 10 = 32 puts us 5th, 1 point behind City.

But perhaps that says how good this team is at the moment.

Derek Knox
54 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:56:41
Vince @ 52, the late Michael Jackson's Jackson 5 had a song about him! Rockin' Dobbin! :-)
Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:58:38
Hey, DK, if we put in a January bid for that Spurs striker who just scored, do we have to ask "How much is Udogie in the window?"
Jason Li
56 Posted 10/12/2023 at 16:59:34
Great to see that celebration by Dobbin. With a clinical finish like that, hopefully Dobbin will get on more as a sub as he's shown the manager he can affect goal difference now he's off and running.

The team looks absolutely clinical now, without needing goals off headers on corners or penalties.

Patterson looks match fit. Hope he gets a good run now.

Rob Halligan
57 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:02:59
Fuck me! I go away for a few days and miss 3 wins!!

The Yanks in the hotel in Barbados must have thought we were being attacked when we scored!!

Colin Glassar
58 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:07:37
You win the pools, Rob? Have a few more weeks out there so we can continue on our winning streak.
John Atkins
59 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:08:07
Well done, Richie lad ….. let's hope those Skunks plummet.
Robert Tressell
61 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:09:28
Fantastic. Sean Dyche is doing a tremendous job. But for the deduction we'd be looking up at the European spots now. As it is, we're edging away from the Bottom 3.

Two excellent finishes today from Doucoure and Dobbin – the latter will benefit hugely from that confidence boost. COYB!

Ray Jacques
62 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:11:29
Came down to London last Friday to dog sit for the eldest whilst he is on holiday. Back home tomorrow, think I will stay here as 3 out of 3 since arrival.

Beat Burnley and that will give nice breathing space. We've now brought Forest and Palace into the mix. Happy days at last, the fans deserve it.

I have a feeling we will get 4 points back, don't know why just do.

Perhaps the injustice has galvanised everyone after the shenanigans of the past three seasons since the Benitez appointment.

The owner and board are still responsible for any points deductions, but I just don't think or care about them anymore. I just focus on Dyche and the players and forget my annoyance with their catastrophic tenure.

Dave Cashen
63 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:14:04
Skanky Skunks being run ragged too.

This day gets better and better.

Graham Mockford
65 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:14:12
Since the Arsenal game which was the low point of the season our record is: P12 W9 D1 L2

Pretty impressive stuff.

Again Dyche's ability to get the most out of what he's got is the reason he was the right appointment.

Long time since I've seen an Everton side as honest as this.

Hard to believe Lampard looked at his squad and thought "I don't fancy this Doucoure fella…"

Jamie Crowley
66 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:15:57
Simon way back at 16 -

Paddy's from Padraig now makes crystal clear sense. Fantastic explanation, thank you!

What a game. We played fantastically. My favorite moment was teammates mobbing Dobbin after the goal. This team really has unity. Reminds me of 2016 (?) Leicester. A TEAM.

We've been looking so good I can't fathom being relegated with that 10 point deduction at this point in time.

Rob @57 -

England is, without a shadow of a doubt, America's greatest ally. There's no one country that even comes close in my opinion. If those Yanks thought you were being attacked, they'd of rushed in to give you a hand.
If they thought the hotel in general was being attacked, and not just you fine Englishmen, they'd neutralize the threat. Rest easy. 😉

Mike @55 -


Finally, for the umpteenth time, how good is Jarrod Branthwaite? Lord what a player.

Danny O’Neill
67 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:16:32
Get in blue boys.

My second trip to Goodison in 4 days and on my way home to west London.

With a big blue smile on my face.

Pit stop with the family at the St George's Hall Christmas Market, then the train home to talk to the dogs

Happy blues

Derek Knox
68 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:18:37
Mike @ 55, I believe Dogcaster and Rovers have been on his tail ! :-)

Rob @ 57, you ought to go away more often mate if that is what happens !

Barry Rathbone
69 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:22:18
Great this.

I like this new hobby of winning – I could deffo get used to it!

Terry Farrell
70 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:23:02
The debate about Patterson being a poor defender needs to end now and give him a run. He's strong quick and fit and kept Mudryk quiet once he came on.

He kept Mithoma quiet at the end of last season away. He played well in the West Ham away win. The evidence is clear! Believe in him like we believe in Branthwaite. He will deliver as is Mykolenko.

Joe McMahon
71 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:30:47
I'm loving this winning feeling. It's so much better.

I admit also Sean is proving me wrong, he is absolutely right for us at the moment. He's made us proud again!.

Terry, fully agree re Patterson, just like Mykolenko he deserves a run of games.

Colin Glassar
72 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:33:33
Terry, remember Bainsey and Coleman only got their chance to nail down a position thanks to injuries.

I think Patterson will do exactly the same. I've always liked the lad. He just needs to grab this chance.

Christy Ring
73 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:36:37
Another massive result against another one of the supposedly Top 6.

I couldn't fault Dyche's substitutions, even though Young was injured, but Patterson should get a run now.

Buzzing, and up yours, Premier League.

Robert Jones
74 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:40:33
Very good performance today, by the players, manager and fans.

Three more of our stolen points back. Keep going!

Mike Gaynes
75 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:41:17
Rob #57, let us know next time you and Jean have a trip planned, and we'll phone up UK Immigration to seal the border on your return.

Better yet, come and visit me. It's a bit colder and rainier here than Barbados, but wins are more important than weather!

PS... does anybody know if Dobbin is left-footed? I didn't think he was, but that finish was an absolute cracker.

Derek Knox
76 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:41:25
Another aspect of today that pleased me, was that Dyche didn't wait till 5 minutes to go to introduce subs, although a couple were enforced. I think Branthwaite will be missed against Burnley, and Gana to a degree.

Thing is with Branthwaite, who have we got to confidently replace him? I often think we made a mistake not holding on to Conor Coady. I know FFP etc, and wages off the books but there were much higher earners than him to get shut of, who wouldn't be missed.

Simon Harrison
77 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:43:00
Jamie [66] You're welcome, and I'm glad it helped.

Terry [70] I agree, Patts, take note Jamie - else Swan will have words, Patts needs a run of games. The first four games, we couldn't score which invitied pressure on us, plus he had Garner playing on the RW. Now we have the luxury of either Harrison (who worked his socks threadbare today) or Young in front of him.

The evidence Terry, was the West Ham game, when with Harrison, he had an excellent game.

He is by no means the finished article, and his judgement just once or twice is 'odd'; but, he can only improve, I can't see him regressing now.

His passing, that assist to Beto and his cross today, alongside his willingness to push up makes him a valuable asset to have.

My Rangers mate John Holmes, "Hi John" if you're lurking again, said Patterson was rapid. However, since his leg break he seems to have lost a little pace, but Mudryk is genuinely World-class pace, and Patts still managed him, despite being burned off twice (I think?)

Patts is the future, and we still have Seamus as backup.

Tony Everan
78 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:43:52
Three tough games, nine points, the backdrop is the disgraceful disproportionate 10-point deduction. Can't praise the players and manager highly enough for the togetherness and fight. UTFTs!!!!!!

Mike, Dobbin is right-footed, scored a very good goal for the U21s last week too, with his right. Cut in and banged it into the corner from 20 yards.

Simon Harrison
79 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:48:29
Derek, unlikely as it is, rather than pushing Keane or Godfrey, I'd push Mykolenko into the LH CB position and put Young (if fit at the LB position)/

Else put Seamus at RH CB and push Tarkowski to the LH CB? What do I know?

In Swan Dyche we Trust! WE ARE EVERTON!!! Just replace Gerard Butler with a Blue-Cloaked Swan Dyche (all ripped to poop too!) Hehe!!!

I'd love to see how Swan could get us playing if we ever get a transfer kitty again...?

Mike Gaynes
80 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:49:33
Tony #78, I remain convinced -- without the slightest evidence -- that on appeal we'll get back the four points for the "aggravating factors" because that was so clearly unfair. So I mentally have us 15th in the table on 17 points.

Thanks for the factoid on Dobbin, that's what I had thought. Makes his goal look even more spectacular, doesn't it?

Now two for Richi today, Good for him finally coming good.

Simon #79, I expect to see Myko at LCB and either Seamus or Godfrey at left back. For all his faults, Young is a warrior, and if he came off in the first half, he's hurt bad. And at 38 a hammy doesn't heal fast.

Sean Kearns
81 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:51:15
He runs up the left wing all day long,

Shootin’ and scorin’ and singing his song,

Rockin Dobbin tweet tweedle-Lee-dee

Simon Harrison
82 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:52:45
Tony Ev, thanks for reminding me, the current running score is;

EPL 10 vs EVC 9/12 (6/9 at home, after not being able to buy a win at GP!)

Jamie Crowley
83 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:55:17
I think Patto will step up, in fact I have no doubt.

Note taken, I feel oddly cleansed, and right in the soul.


Tony Everan
84 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:56:15
Mike, I expect that to be the most likely outcome too. When it's 9 for administration, 10 points for our transgression is clearly excessive.

Doesn't stop me hoping for more though and feeling hard done by compared to the slap on the wrist the Super League Six got.

Also some excellent arguments in our favour that Burnham and legal minds have posted could mean a better outcome. 🤞

Alan McGuffog
85 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:56:48
Sean... you may not have been around in 1970 but I'll go with Family... "No mules fool".

Only decent thing to come out of Leicester.

Simon Harrison
86 Posted 10/12/2023 at 17:59:37
Yep Mike, you're more than probably right about Young. Shame, as his form had just started to pick up. Probably did his hammy due to being fatigued and turned inside-out by Mudryk today. I feel for him, especially after all the invective hurled at him.

He was free, he does a job, he is a model pro. What's not to like?

Every players performances will vary, especially in an unsettled, barely fit team like we aere at the start of the season.

I'd prefer Seamus at CB, and Myko at FB. But... let's see what Swan does?

Mike Gaynes
88 Posted 10/12/2023 at 18:07:22
Steve Nicol on ESPN.com:

"Everton are on an incredible run. You see the atmosphere around Goodison and you see the commitment of the team, you wouldn't think they had just been docked ten points... when they get their opportunities, boy, do they go forward with pace, and Doucoure in particular gets into the penalty box and again scored the first goal today... so listen, a two-nil victory for me, for Everton, at Goodison against Chelsea, is really not a surprise."

John Keating
89 Posted 10/12/2023 at 18:12:36
What a week!!

Absolutely magnificent results. Forget the performances, right now points is all that matter.

I've watched us win the titles and cups from 1963. Everyone is special without doubt.

I know it sounds daft but after today's game I think I've never felt more emotional or proud of being a Blue.

Don't know why and can't explain it but, after young Dobbin found the net, I felt so proud.

Tarkowski, Branthwaithe and especially Mykolenko were immense.

Anyway let's celebrate tonight and enjoy a fantastic week.

One game at a time. Let's get everyone rested and ready for another massive push and 3 points against Burnley.
This time next week let's hope we can be above Forest and Palace.

Even after all the shit we've had to put up with over the years, truthfully, would anyone change being an Evertonian? No chance!

Mike Gaynes
90 Posted 10/12/2023 at 18:14:05
John #89, brilliantly said.
Peter Mills
91 Posted 10/12/2023 at 18:17:33
Up front on his own, against a good centre half, I thought “the lumbering Calvert-Lewin” played pretty well.

Most of Goodison seemed to agree when he came off.

A cracking afternoon, that was a very tough game but we came through it with another gritty win.

Ben King
92 Posted 10/12/2023 at 18:18:39
Brilliant brilliant win.

Dyche and the players deserve so much credit.

Brian Denton
93 Posted 10/12/2023 at 18:25:49
Peter Mills (91), quite right.

Dom's goal return is disappointing at the moment, but other players are scoring so we can cut him a bit of slack. His outfield play generally is fine, and Dyche seems to have done a good job with him.

Brian Williams
94 Posted 10/12/2023 at 18:34:10
Altogether now!

"You can stick yer points deduction up yer arse."

Etc etc..............😁

Tony Everan
95 Posted 10/12/2023 at 18:37:33
A stat that shows how well Doucouré has been doing since being played in his best position:

“Since Sean Dyche's first game as Everton manager in February, Abdoulaye Doucouré has more non-penalty goals in the Premier League than any other midfielder (11).”

Dave Cashen
96 Posted 10/12/2023 at 18:44:08

Great post.

I've been really disappointed at what you refer to as, the invective hurled at Young. Especially given our recent form. I believe it has been done in the misguided belief that if he was hammered enough, Dyche would somehow buckle and select Patterson instead. It was never going to happen.

it's not really that hard to see why Dyche dropped Patterson in the first place. He was in possession of the shirt for the opening four games. He simply did not see danger early enough, his poor positioning was ruthlessly exposed and we didn't win any of those games.

Patterson is up against two embattled old warriors for the position. Their bodies are starting to let them down. His chance was always going to come around again. We badly need him to grab it with both hands.

I've seen enough of Patterson to believe he can learn from earlier experience and become a top class right back. But he has to realise his potential.

The only way he can make this slot his own is to keep playing consistently well. Supporters battering away at their own player/s will not keep him in the team. He has to do that by himself

Stu Darlington
97 Posted 10/12/2023 at 19:03:05

If young Patterson minor had gone to the same Public School as me, he would have definitely been known as “Patters”. No question!

Dave Williams
98 Posted 10/12/2023 at 19:13:05
Dave #96, what a sensible post.

Patterson is having to learn the role just like Seamus did. He is clearly getting there but we should be encouraging all of our players regardless – it is insane to think that giving players or the manager stick will help us – it won't!!

Young does his best and is doing okay – especially bearing in mind he is 38, for heaven's sake!!!

Simon Harrison
99 Posted 10/12/2023 at 19:15:03
Stu, that is just so... Public School Hehe

Straight from the horses mouth in his EFC PM Interview it is as follows;

Myko, Patto, Dobbo, Ben Gibson -sorry, Godfry, Keano... I'll post the link after, and any more name updates.

Colin Glasser, I doff my cap, it isn't, or wasn't Patts, IT IS Patto...

Simon Harrison
100 Posted 10/12/2023 at 19:16:57
Well said Dave [96] and I echo Dave [98].

Two very eminently sensible posts.

Paul Jones
101 Posted 10/12/2023 at 19:21:00
I'd just like to spend some time considering the impact that Dyche has had on our club.

Not since Ancelotti have we had someone in control of the team on the pitch, directing how they play and ensuring each man in a blue shirt knows what is expected of him.

We're getting back to the level of about Year 4 or 5 of Moyes's tenure. How sad that is. In all that time, we've plateaued then regressed to where we were at the end of Lampard's stint, where 11 strangers would get together on a pitch and wonder what they were doing.

So full credit to Dyche for getting us looking like a team again. On the face of it, this should be an easy thing to achieve, but our recent history with managers illustrates how easy it is to mess things up.

I deliberately mentioned Moyes earlier because I think we're limited to how far we can progress with Dyche at the helm, but we're nowhere near that limit at the moment so we should all get behind him and give him our full support while he steers us through the shit show we've got going off the pitch right now.

Simon Harrison
102 Posted 10/12/2023 at 19:21:20
OK, just finished watching the post-match presser. Here is the link:

EVERTON 2-0 CHELSEA | Sean Dyche's reaction

nb: Note all the Official™ Swan® name checks as above @ [99]

Shane Corcoran
103 Posted 10/12/2023 at 19:47:40
The change in the organisation of the team that Dyche has implemented in 11 months is phenomenal.

Goals change games and Dyche's team are making it so difficult for the opposition to score. The awareness and anticipation of Mykolenko and Branthwaite is outstanding.

We're obviously going to get undone by a bit of brilliance and/ or bad luck at some stage and then we're into a different test of whether we can rescue a game, but for now it's all credit to the manager and the players for a magnificent period of performances.

Mike Gaynes
104 Posted 10/12/2023 at 19:54:47
Second only to Emery, Dyche has to be manager of the season for the first half.

Interesting he said in his postgame that Myko's been carrying a knock. You'd never know it!

Mike Doyle
105 Posted 10/12/2023 at 19:56:55
Loved Dyche’s comment about Dobbin’s authentic celebration - with no silly dances.

I’ll bet he really approves of Dwight McNeill wearing proper black football boots (I certainly do).

Danny Baily
106 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:03:29
Is it just one league win less than we achieved in the entirety of the last season? Absolutely brilliant.

Wins are the currency, and Dyche has certainly brought them.

Kieran Kinsella
107 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:07:31
The biggest thing to me is the reaction to the points deduction. Considering we barely survived the last two years it would have been easy for people to throw the towel in and start seeking January exits. Total opposite reaction. Testament to players and the manager.
David Vaughan
108 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:14:09
At last, a team, a performance and a management team to be proud of. 👏 Not wanting to get carried away, but I'd be delighted to see Sean Dyche lead the team out on our first match at BMD...

As many have already said on here, we're finally resembling a team again, after a very long and dark time.

Next up, the resurrection of this still fine old institution that is Everton Football Club. Up the Toffees..and Onwards!

Brendan McLaughlin
109 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:26:00
Perhaps I'm getting my classics wrong but Tale of Two City's..."It was the worst of times, it was the best of times."

Well done Sean...very well done the players!

Ian Bennett
110 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:28:11
Another 3 precious points from a very honest group of players that are working so hard.

Thought today would be hard to repeat after the crackling win against vs Newcastle. Our boys out worked them and took their chances.

I truly hope their lovely fans are rewarded with a huge points deduction. £989m on those players, I hope it disintegrates to dust.

Rob Hooton
112 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:34:37
Simon, thanks for the link to the presser. Dyche seems to have his head screwed on, very likeable and humble.
Lee Courtliff
113 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:37:20
Great post matche interview from Dyche today. I too loved his comment about the celebration from Dobbin.

Just what fans want to see...he's living our dream!

Simon Harrison
114 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:38:54
Just got some more name checks;

Gana, Youngy, Tarky, Jarrad, Jordan, Jimmy (- Garner), Doucs (Dukes?), Seamus, Dwight, Arnie (Danjuma?)

That's all I can glean so far.

To extrapolate we gave the following team;


Seamus, Youngy, Patto

Tarky, Jarrad, Keano, and Ben Gibson, sorry, Godfrey


Haz, Jimmy (-Garner) Gana, Doucs, Dwight, Arnie

Dom (Didn;t he say Beto after the NUFC game?) Someone please confirm.

If I've missed any, please add below, or ask Santa Kenrick to edit this post please.

John Burns
115 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:42:54
Hope Danny O gives a write up of his personal match day and travelling experiences, since Thursday. Should be good! Here’s your title Danny. ‘Four days, five goals, six points’.
Sam Hoare
116 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:43:26
Another great day! It frustrates the hell out of me that we should be 10th and only 4 points off 6th. That’s what Dyche and the players deserve.

I’m not convinced the appeal will prove successful but I was never convinced we’d get docked points!

Feels like such a long time since we had a team with identity that we could be proud of. Let’s hope it continues but there’s still a long way to go.

Ian Bennett
117 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:47:32
Branthwaite and Gueye banned for Burnley. 5th bookings.
Simon Harrison
118 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:55:36
Excellent post Sam [116]

Understated, succinct and to the point.

Chapeau Sir, chapeau!

@ [99] I can't believe I forgot Dobbo...

Jamie Crowley
119 Posted 10/12/2023 at 20:59:16
I've liked Dyche since day one. And this encapsulates why in his post game comments:

"The authenticity of his reaction [Dobbin]. No dances and all that nonsense, not for me that..."

The look of disgust when he hates on "dances and all that nonsense" is absolute, utter gold.

This man is honest, straight forward as can be, and I for one am proud of the way our team is represented with him at the helm.

Someone said above they'd be happy if Dyche led the team out at BMD.

Um... yes. You think he's earned that? You betcha he has. If this man keeps us up with a 10 point deduction he's a miracle worker. He'll probably walk across the River Mersey on his way into BMD when the time comes.

Ian Jones
120 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:07:26
I have only seen the highlights on Sky, about 2 and a half minutes and was pleased for Dobbin.

I then looked at the BBC report and saw that Dobbin was player of the match with figures of 7.99. Presumably out of 10. So I thought he must have had a fantastic performance only to find that he was only on for about 12 minutes!

Just shows you can't count on figures😀

Brent Stephens
121 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:09:52
27.9% possession for us today. What a waste of all that dominant possession to come away with just a 2-0 win!

Those possession stats are getting so low but so effective, the next thing you know we'll be staying in the dressing room all game and still winning!

Brent Stephens
122 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:12:36
John #115 " Here’s your title Danny. ‘Four days, five goals, six points’."

How about four days, five goals, six points, seventh heaven?!

Brendan McLaughlin
123 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:13:11
Have to agree with the Sean songs.

I was never really convinced when his name kept cropping up during the managerial merry-go-round of the last few years but he was the obvious choice last time.

Cometh the hour...cometh the Sean.

Dave Abrahams
124 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:13:59
Another win and clean sheet, Dominic leading the line and Beto leading the line? A vast difference, Dominic wasn’t great but he holds the ball up, Beto never gets hold of the ball, Dominic had a part in the goal and he feeds off very little, being honest so does Beto who is new to the premier league but being honest we are much better with Dominic leading the line.

Great feeling being at Goodison today even if the first half was a poor game to watch and we fought and fought for this victory and deserved it in the end.

With the threadbare and small squad at his disposal Sean Dyche has done fuckin’ wonders to put Everton were they were only for others off the field to put them back again, Dyche is still fighting the odds but getting us up the league again.

Dobbin had deserved more minutes on the field this season imo, especially at the end of more games, not the one minute v Man. Unt, and five minutes today, he’s got the pace to trouble tiring teams, made up for him and his goal today.

Fuck this ‘ we’ll get four points back’ let’s see what the corrupt bastards offer us, losing three points is far too much!

I was so happy coming out of Goodison again tonight and didn’t think I would be having a rant like that especially over things we have no control over but let’s thank our blessings : This squad and the manager looking after them, not forgetting us the fans special people!

John Raftery
125 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:15:24
What a week this has been; nine points from three matches, three clean sheets, three consecutive wins for the first time since Ancelotti’s full season and four points clear of the relegation zone. Dogged, determined, delighted.

Even those including me who thought our team would have enough to escape trouble notwithstanding the points deduction have been surprised by just how quickly we have climbed out of the relegation places. It would appear the points deduction has simply galvanised the team to improve on what had been a run of decent results before the independent commission did its worst.

The unity of purpose, the chemistry between players and fans, the siege mentality and the leadership of a very effective manager have served to create a club currently greater than the sum of its parts. That is some achievement given how rickety some of those parts, including especially the financial position, appear to be.

In today’s game we again saw our players giving everything to the cause. While they all made a contribution Doucouré was indefatigable. Although his style is not for the purist he has proven to be an effective finisher, a scorer of really important goals. He never stops running as he demonstrated late in the game when chasing back into his own area to make yet another block on the byline.

The players who come in for the suspended and the injured will be keen not to let the side down. Burnley will be their opportunity to show their worth.

John Raftery
126 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:19:46
Ian (120) I saw those BBC stats. More often than not they are rubbish but that one beggared belief.
John Raftery
127 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:21:40
Mike (104) They are certainly both in the early running for Manager of the Month.
Bill Gienapp
128 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:23:34
I think the residual trauma of the past two seasons is still so great that I struggle to ever feel confident watching these matches... but it's probably time to get over that, because Dyche really has molded us into a hard-working side with some genuine mental steel. As they kept stressing on the NBC telecast, Chelsea basically look like what they are - an assemblage of expensive talent - whereas we look like a bona fide team. The self-belief is there for all to see.
John Burns
129 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:24:38
Brent 122. ‘ How about four days, five goals, six points, seventh heaven?’ That’s even better!

(We’re working together like a Sean Dyche team).

Dale Self
130 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:29:48
That presser is classic stuff. I haven’t seen a manager heap praise like that so early in a season. Then to follow up with ‘we’re on 14 points, there is still a lot of work to do”, that is so Dyche. It ain’t fancy, we don’t dance but we got style. (sorry for the mercan dialect)

Some frustrated talents will see what we are building and make it easy for Thelwell. The spirit of that interview lays down a marker. It is time to plan the future. We have the core group to take us forward.

Mark Murphy
131 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:52:10
John @115 he was at Forest as well. How about 8 days, 3 games, 6 goals 9 points and a partridge in a pear tree aha?
What a reaction! Everton v The World and Everton are winning!
Fcuk the Prem, Up the fucking Toffees!
Brendan McLaughlin
132 Posted 10/12/2023 at 21:58:07
Dale #130

There ain't many people who can convey a serious message with humourus undertones...even fewer that can do that and manage a Premier League team.

Ray Jacques
133 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:08:41
Does anyone know the date of the appeal?
Jon Harding
134 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:10:32
Brendan @109
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way
Paul Birmingham
135 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:12:42
John, @125, spot on.
The Finest, days, and, nights, for the last 3 years?
But off the pitch, thats with the God's, we can wish, but it's a big issue, hopefully soon a viable, sustainable solution is found, for the security of Everton FC.

Good to beat them today, as always, and Everton, finished them off in all aspects, on the park. Great team spirit.

I hope Jackson, gets a fine and ban, for his go at Patterson, and Chelsea, a pathetic collection, of shit houses.


Brendan McLaughlin
136 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:24:28
Many thanks Jon#134

"Fuck the Premier League"...comes a close second though!

Simon Harrison
137 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:25:50
Ray a date hasn't been set yet, it's all yet to be announced. Unfortunately, there are no deadlines afforded, other than it has to be heard and concluded by the end of May '24.

Go figure...

Tony Abrahams
138 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:29:08
I had a feeling that the points deduction would galvanize the club, and also thought that it would allow Sean Dyche, that little bit more time, to just get on with the really good job he was already doing.

Most people were happy with him, but you still get some delusional people, who don’t seem to realize the absolute mess he inherited, and others who have already put him into a certain bracket, even though our football has definitely been a lot better than what we had been witnessing these last few very dark seasons.

“I thought today was all about sheer-hard work, and having loads of bottle, and it’s a very long time since I felt like this about an Everton team”

We might have rode our luck at times, and lacked a little bit of the intensity we showed against Newcastle, but it made me very happy watching 15 players fighting and giving every last drop for the shirt, and with confidence really growing, then the only thing that is going to beat us is that our current squad is lacking in numbers.

Brendan McLaughlin
139 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:34:08
Simon #137

Surely the old legal maxim that justice delayed is justice denied applies and the appeal must be heard shortly7

Simon Harrison
140 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:36:51
Please excuse the absolute self-promotion, but here is a link to a new article I posted with the EFC vs CFC FULL post match press conference and not just the interview.

Talking points

Please comment there about the managers fine words please.

Good wishes all

Brent Stephens
141 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:37:23
Brendan #136 - that’s one of the lesser known quotes from Dickens, in one of his bleak moments.
Simon Harrison
142 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:39:32
You;d have thunk Brendan..?

The most likely time-frame would be around March '24 (it has been bandied around on the internet) so as to give time for the Appeal to be read, and to allow a reply by the EPL. Not to mention the time it would take to appoint the appeals board. To the satisfaction of the EPL that is.

Tony Abrahams
143 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:43:27
The more points Everton get, the easier it will be for these frauds to give us a few more back. I might obviously be wrong, but this is how I’m feeling, sitting here thinking about the non-independent corrupt bastards, who have helped to galvanize Everton football club💙
Brendan McLaughlin
144 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:55:29
FFS! Tony#143

We've won three on the trot...everything else is just noise


Brent Stephens
145 Posted 10/12/2023 at 22:57:29
Goals in time added on in the last two games. Dychie time?
Neil Copeland
146 Posted 10/12/2023 at 23:02:50
The PL, officials and Sky may all be against us but fuck them because the gods are most certainly on our side at the moment. Long may it continue and justice prevail.


Ian Jones
147 Posted 10/12/2023 at 23:17:18
Dale at 130.

I noted Dyche's ‘we’re on 14 points, there is still a lot of work to do”.

I seem to remember him saying some time ago that he doesn't always look at the table. Clearly, as we are only on 13 points 😀

Unless I'm missing some sarcasm in his comment...

Frank Wolfe
148 Posted 10/12/2023 at 23:19:21
Tony (143) - I agree that giving back (some) points later in the season would be a lot easier for the PL if we are already in a comfortable position which I hope we are. But don't forget that apart from relegation, the points also have a financial impact too. PL prize money is based on finishing position. Based on last year's prize money, the 10 points would cost us approx £15m-£20m (ie the difference between finishing 17th and 10th).
Neil Copeland
149 Posted 10/12/2023 at 23:49:15
Frank #148, absolutely and the irony is that the £15-20m lost prize money could push us over the limit and end up with another breach!
Brendan McLaughlin
150 Posted 11/12/2023 at 00:30:25
Jon #134

Thanks and please ignore my curt reply #136...it's an inspiring, opening paragraph and thanks for posting the fuller version.

Greg Nelli
151 Posted 11/12/2023 at 00:55:11
neil #149

Surely the lost prize money would be considered an "add back".

Well there's no accounting for the PLs "discretion" (im trying to be diplomatic)

Kieran Kinsella
152 Posted 11/12/2023 at 01:23:23
Finally got to see the highlights. Few thoughts:

Kenrick was right about the harshness of Palmer’s yellow.

Credit to Dwight for not going down after Gallagher tried to rugby tackle him on the way to the goal.

Duke is the second ball champ.

Dobbin as at Derby doesn’t score a tonne but he scores some beauties.

Lastly we just beat a team who spent more in two windows then we have since Mosh took over including stadocosts. Yet we are “cheaters”

Phil Lewis
153 Posted 11/12/2023 at 01:51:52
Another incredible performance by the mighty Boys in Blue. The winning mentality is definitely contagious. So much improvement in vital areas. Excellent well timed substitutions against Chelsea's mega money 'stars'.

I'm not getting carried away, BUT nonetheless, we're going to finish 7th from bottom and win the EFL Cup. And the committee can shove their 10 points where the sun don't shine!

Ernie Baywood
154 Posted 11/12/2023 at 03:38:59
Still can't believe no-one has commented on Sanchez' attempted save against Doucoure.

It was pure comedy.

Mike Gaynes
155 Posted 11/12/2023 at 05:01:21
Ernie, I'm pretty sure that's how he injured himself.
George Stuart
156 Posted 11/12/2023 at 07:10:47
Frank Wolfe's calculations that a 10 point deduction is worth around
15 - 20 million.
Which is about sum we exceeded the overdraft limit.

Seems daft.
I'm hoping in May we are in 6th place, 9 points behind the champions elect.

Tony Abrahams
157 Posted 11/12/2023 at 07:19:48
I have always believed Brendan, and genuinely cannot understand your (ridiculous?) post @144.

Everthing else is just noise? Look at the table Brendan, and then add ten points to Everton, and you will see that we would be in a much more comfortable position (maybe even thinking of challenging for Europe) if we hadn’t been deducted those ten points mate.

I was being sarcastic towards the people who have punished Everton with what I feel is a very disproportionate punishment, but I was also thanking them for helping to galvanize a club, and a fan base that had been split in half for years.

Since Kenwright departed, my love for Everton football club has returned, (sad, but very true) so now we just need to get rid of the others, and my belief will continue to grow🤞

Kieran, I must have sounded like a lunatic screaming at Michael Oliver to fuck off for booking Palmer, but I saw a player fall and then immediately get to his feet, to try and stay on the ball, and I thought it was a pathetic decision, a token decision, although I was about 100 yards away, from the incident!

Did he book the player so VAR could check if there had been a little foul, was in my paranoid thoughts, but this is how certain referees genuinely make me feel.

Ian Jones
158 Posted 11/12/2023 at 07:38:03
Just a thought and of course, we'll never know.

Would we have won the last 3 games if we hadn't had the 10 point deduction?

I appreciate we were improving before the deduction but has it galvanised the team into action so on some respects a blessing in disguise?

Likewise, has our points deduction also helped those other teams at the bottom to re-think the way they approach games?

Tony Abrahams
159 Posted 11/12/2023 at 07:45:06
I had spoken to a few fans from different clubs before Everton got punished Ian, and the general consensus was that the relegation places would have been decided before Easter.

Maybe this is why we were so disproportionately punished?

But when you read Kieran@152 explain how much Chelsea have spent recently, you do get the feeling that they will be happy to reign in their punishment of Everton, especially if we start pulling away from the relegation places. Well I do, anyway!

Pete Neilson
160 Posted 11/12/2023 at 08:33:36
Tony (157) nothing wrong with your eyesight, I was quite close and it was clear that Palmer simply stumbled, didn’t for a second appeal and was straight back on his feet. A very harsh and incorrect yellow. The yellow for Gana was also harsh and Oliver rubbed it in when he didn’t book Gallagher for much worse.

Mykolenko was excellent yesterday. Another player who has significantly improved under Dyche.

Peter Quinn
161 Posted 11/12/2023 at 08:51:14
Simon at 140. Every Evertonian should watch that 15 minute press conference. It says everything about our manager. Most important thing he said is about not going onto the pitch to celebrate after the game. Instead his mind is on the next game. That mentality which is clearly being installed into the whole squad is crucial. No bullshit, yes he knows and we know there will be ups and downs, but at this point in time a united fan base allied to a united group at Finch Farm is driving us forward.
Christopher Timmins
162 Posted 11/12/2023 at 08:56:25
What a week, 9 points and three clean sheets. We are finding ways to win and deal with any injury issues that might in the past have put us off track.

The Duke, not a pass master, but he works hard for the team without the ball, has good first touch and is pretty hot finisher. The back five, three clean sheets in a row, enough said. The boys out wide are real worker bees and Garner, Gana and Onana are competitive in the central area. With DCL and Beto up top we have always a focal point.

Let's take it one game at a time and see where we get to at the end of the season.

At a minimum we are a top 10 team.

James Hughes
163 Posted 11/12/2023 at 09:45:55
A decent if Dyche-like performace. We sat back and soaked up the presssure and I always thought we would win.

I liked Dyche's reaction when mentioned where we would be without the deduction. We all lnow it was unprecednted and harsh, so it will interesting to see what treatment Chelsea get. Below is what they have spent since Buehly took over.

Window Money spent Money received
Summer 2022 £278.4m £49m
January 2023 £323.3m £12m
Summer 2023 £434.5m £237.3m
Total £1.036bn £298.3m

Rob Jones
164 Posted 11/12/2023 at 10:01:36
Christopher, I don't think we're a top ten team yet. But we're certainly travelling that way. I do wonder if the league are actively trying to stymie that, but that's probably just paranoia.

We're defensively solid, though the sudden tapping up of Branthwaite by Sky and the BBC makes me nervous, because there's no natural replacement, and I REALLY don't want to see Michael Keane back in by default.

The midfield are solid, but we could do with a right-footed equivalent of Dwight McNeil. I like Harrison, but Leeds will want a swedge for him, and I don't think he's worth the money they'll try to gouge from us. Gana probably has another year, so we need to start grooming a replacement for him. Likewise, we probably have another year of Onana before he's taken for big money.

We should consider giving Okoronkwo some minutes, because DCL, though a high-level operator, still needs injury cover.

Dyche is doing fantastic work. But a couple of injuries could really hurt us, and the squad needs fattening up.

Jack Convery
165 Posted 11/12/2023 at 10:24:23
Can you imagine the effect Dobbin's goal will have on the U21s and the Youth team players.

"I want a bit of that!" They'll all be thinking this morning. Good vibrations all around. COYBs.

Dave Abrahams
166 Posted 11/12/2023 at 10:26:28
Rob (@164),

A good post but surely Onana won't leave us — he's one of us, according to an Everton fan who lives far away.

Brian Harrison
167 Posted 11/12/2023 at 10:44:00
I think Doucoure is so vital to the way Sean Dyche wants his team to play, his work rate is exceptional. He may be not the most gifted footballer but he certainly makes the most of the ability he has. His goals are so important as we aren't blessed with too many natural goalscorers.

Although I still think Calvert-Lewin is not top drawer, his all round game helps us to get possession in the opposition half and buys time to be joined in the attack.

Great finish by Lewis Dobbin – he will be buzzing in training this week. I would give him a run in Harrison's position. Harrison works hard but lacks quality; for me, his final ball is poor and HE loses possession too often.

Laurie Hartley
168 Posted 11/12/2023 at 10:45:01
Jamie # 133,

“He'll probably walk across the River Mersey on his way into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock when the time comes.”

That would mean he would have to come from Birkenhead (Dave A will explain).

Joking aside – I posted when Dyche was appointed manager that I was disappointed because he was “vanilla”. Nothing vanilla about his team and the way they are playing – I love it.

There is so much fight in them. I haven't felt this proud of us for a long, long time. Bravo Sean Dyche.

Steve Brown
169 Posted 11/12/2023 at 10:45:02
Tony @ 143, you make a good point.

If we make the points deduction immaterial by our performances, then the Premier League will be more likely to entertain a reduction. But if the 10 points are a deciding factor on whether we are relegated or not, then the punishment will stand.

Their argument is that overspending helped us avoid relegation, therefore they will definitely not reduce the deduction if it helps us avoid relegation again.

This is why Andy Burnham calls this an abuse of process – there is no agreed or objective framework for deciding on the penalty. It is decided by what suits the Premier League's agenda at a moment in time.

Steve Brown
170 Posted 11/12/2023 at 10:50:29
Dave A,

I think you should give Onana bit more slack. He has improved a lot in the last couple of months – he was good when he came on yesterday.

Both Gueye and Onana are important squad members right now. I like them both.

James Fletcher
171 Posted 11/12/2023 at 11:03:01
Brian @167,

I agree that I'd like to see Dobbin given some game time but I've got to say that I think Harrison is key to our pressing game, he's rapid and appears to never get tired.

Dave Abrahams
172 Posted 11/12/2023 at 11:13:36
Steve (170),

My comment had nothing to do with Onana's performance yesterday, whether it was good, bad or indifferent.

Just a bit of banter between me and an American fan, who I think will respond himself when he gets up!

Christopher Timmins
173 Posted 11/12/2023 at 12:00:23
Calvert-Lewin and Beto play a significant part in helping us get up the pitch and avoid being boxed in. Neither may be fantastic finishers but we are a better team when they are on the pitch.

The last 10 minutes of the Forest game was a prime example of when neither of the above were on the pitch.

Kunal Desai
174 Posted 11/12/2023 at 12:15:39
What a week! 9 points and 3 clean sheets. Credit to the players, manager and all the backroom staff here. Turnaround has been immense although signs of improvement have been there for a while. Let's keep it going. Fear no one.

This side is reminding me of the latter part of a Moyes side. Never say die and difficult to beat.

Eric Myles
175 Posted 11/12/2023 at 12:35:57
Colin #72, Baines could not nail down his position because of his own injury.

When we bought him from Wigan, he was injured, had to recover and get up to speed.

Lescott was played at left-back while Baines was recovering, a position that he hated. Moyes played Baines in the midfield to get him up to speed with game time and then he reverted to his natural position.

I remember Coleman playing at right midfield when he first joined too, maybe again to get him up to speed in the Premier League.

Andrew Ellams
176 Posted 11/12/2023 at 12:42:13
This game was the perfect example of the difference between a team and a collection of players.
Rob Jones
177 Posted 11/12/2023 at 13:29:16
Interesting to see that Nicolas Jackson faces no charge for assaulting Nathan Patterson after the game.
Graham Mockford
178 Posted 11/12/2023 at 13:35:12
On the Cole Palmer booking whilst it seemed fairly harsh he undoubtedly tried to win a penalty. He deliberately moved his left foot sideways to try and initiate contact which is probably why he lost his balance.
Steve Brown
179 Posted 11/12/2023 at 14:11:05
Ah, got it Dave.

He’s one of our own… until he isn’t.

Raymond Fox
180 Posted 11/12/2023 at 14:22:05
Its about time we had some joy, its been in short supply for many years.

We are on a roll just now, but its small margins as always between winning and losing.
We now have decent cover for most if not all positions and have a serious chance against 95% of the teams, the other 5% we will have to see.

How long does it take to review an appeal?
It should not drag on till the end of the season, thats not on.
We will stay up whatever they decide but its only fair its decided quickly.

Andrew Keatley
181 Posted 11/12/2023 at 15:10:34
To use classic Dyche parlance, it's so "pleasing" to see how Doucouré has responded to the increased responsibility that he has been given; goals, assists, tireless and selfless running, and composure in front of goal at crucial times. He may look ungainly at times, and be prone to the odd misplaced pass, but as far as I am concerned the support that he is offering DCL has been the major factor in getting us up the pitch and allowing the rest of the team to have more time on the ball in better positions.

Also, in a very competitive category, I'd say that Mykolenko might just be the most improved player in the entire league.

Ray Robinson
182 Posted 11/12/2023 at 17:21:23
Steve #169. I think differently. If we get ourselves clear of relegation in spite of the 10 point deduction, I think it makes it easier for the PL to reject our appeal. I don’t think they’ll want to dilute the threat of severe punishment for future infringements.
Brian Wilkinson
183 Posted 11/12/2023 at 17:27:53
Wolves are planning a protest against the Premier league over a number of var and match officials and are making a banner for their next home game.

They have received a lot of donations from Everton supporters and have praised Everton fans.

The sooner the rest of those outside of the elite top six band together the better.

If those 14 clubs supporters followed suit, then we might just have a chance of getting something done.

Anyway on to our upcoming games, Branthwaite will be missing for the Burnley game, after picking up a yellow card, we have young and Doucoure both a booking away from a suspension.

Now my way of thinking is if they both pick up a yellow card on Saturday, that could actually work in our favour, they would both miss the Fulham cup game, but we could rotate for that game by starting with Patterson, and having Gueye, Garner and Onana in our midfield.

We would then have Decoure clear to play in the remainder of the December league fixtures, get them out of the way this Saturday, rather than waiting for one of them to get a yellow card sooner rather than later.

Now with all the above thinking I am not sure if a booking on Saturday would mean the player missing the cup game, or if the ban would only apply for the next league game, if anyone knows feel free to update me as although I think it applies for the next match, I could be wrong.

Ignore above just found out it applies to league games only, what a shame.

John Keating
184 Posted 11/12/2023 at 18:18:10
I fully support the Wolves supporters on their protest against VAR.
They have had some horrendous decisions against them and the old adage, it all evens up over the season, well no chance in their case

Regarding VAR, the latest survey taken by the Scottish Football Supporters Association has voted overwhelmingly against VAR saying it is ruining their football experience on a regular basis. 86 per cent against !!

95 per cent feel the VAR delays are too long.
66 per cent would rather tolerate wrong decisions rather than VAR interventions
85 per cent feel refereeing performances have worsened since the introduction of VAR
70 per cent think officials are relying on VAR to make decisions for them.
80 per cent want linesmen to flag immediately for obvious offsides
74 per cent want handball rules to revert back to only deliberate handball

I don't know if there has been a similar survey in England, however, I suspect it would be not far off similar to be honest.

If a VAR review takes more than a couple of seconds then it can't be a clear and obvious error

I know how I'd vote if asked. It's taken all the spontaneous emotion out of an emotional sport.

Anthony Hawkins
185 Posted 11/12/2023 at 18:55:36
Whilst we don't want to be pro- 'pool, the VAR decision in their game was horrendous! The ref allowed the game to play on whilst VAR continued to review the incident only for play to be stopped and brought back to the penalty! What would have happened if either team had scored in that time? What about if a player got sent off? Do those decisions get rescinded as the flow of the game wouldn't have been the same if the penalty had been given at the time? Clear and obvious? Never!

Back to the win over Chelsea - the team appears to have turned a corner and it's looking really promising.

Ian Bennett
186 Posted 11/12/2023 at 18:59:22
Tony Abrahams
187 Posted 11/12/2023 at 19:17:42
I’ve said it before but when Liverpool asked for the audio, of the VAR against Spurs, then I can’t believe there wasn’t a proper outrage after everyone had heard it. They are absolutely killing the game, and if they start giving penalties for the one that Palace got on Saturday, then it won’t be long before they completely destroy the game, imo.

What’s worse is when people start comparing how one team gets a decision one week, and another team doesn’t get the same decision the next. Two wrongs don’t make it right, but it seems that people are prepared to accept two wrongs just as long as it goes in their favour, rather than demanding a more transparent form of refereeing, between the officials and the VAR studio.

Christy Ring
188 Posted 11/12/2023 at 20:16:29
Watched the Palmer yellow this morning on ref watch, where they were all appalled he was done for diving? Did they not watch Palmer make a 2nd movement of his left leg against the shin of Mykolenko, which shows he still tried to con the ref, even though he got back up quickly. Mykolenko wasn't impressed either.
Graham Mockford
189 Posted 12/12/2023 at 00:16:24
Just caught up on I'm a Celeb.

Tony Bellew what a fucking legend

Danny O’Neill
190 Posted 12/12/2023 at 08:40:12
A couple of responses.

Tony, make them audible, answerable and accountable. Then there is no hiding place for the decision making.

But they are shit scared of that because it would expose their incompetence and indecisiveness. I'm convinced those at Stockley Park spend more time chatting around the coffee machine than watching the match. I know I keep repeating myself, but at least in Rugby, as far as I know, the video assistants are in the stadium.

Graham: go and have a word with yourself. Watching I'm a Celebrity? Get subject to it but pay little attention. Lighthearted, and I do confess to watching Bellew. He must have been twice the size of that lad that won. Great to see his reaction to being told of the result.

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