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Wigan 0 - 1 Everton

In their second pre-season friendly, Everton visited the DW Stadium for a run-out against Wigan Athletic where new signing Ashley Young scored the only goal of the game.

The match featured players available from the first-team squad, with the Under-21s mostly involved in another pre-season fixture that kicked off simultaneously at Prenton Park against Tranmere Rovers

Sean Dyche delegated the manager role to his assistant Ian Woan with pretty much a full-strength XI side selected from the senior players available, with a surprise selection of Academy players on the 6-man subs bench, including two goalkeepers (one the veteran Lonergan).

There was some lively football being played from the start, with Wigan pulling no punches as they tried to force the issue with some meaty tackles and decent shots on or adjacent to Pickford's goal. But perhaps the best early chance fell to McNeil who created a good shot that the Wigan goalie parried away. Ashley Young was next to have a pop. 

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Neal Maupay was given a wonderful chance with a dropping ball inside the 6-yard area but he could only loft it 10 yards up in the air and well over the goal. It was goalless at the break. 

Some good passing set up Maupay again but he could only strike it low first-time straight at the keeper. At the other end, a superb strike by Humphries was batted away very well by Pickford. 

A superb take on the right wing by Patterson saw him scurry forward and set up Doucoure with a fantastic chance but the Mali man drilled it against the bar. McNeil went on a charge but his shot was parried for a corner.  

Idrissa Gana Gueye had his usual ridiculous shot at goal, missing by miles. Ashley Young finally broke the deadlock when he smashed the ball home at the second attempt. Jenson Metcalfe replaced Young.

Everton: Pickford, Patterson, Tarkowski, Keane, Godfrey, Iwobi, Gana, Doucouré, Young (72' Metcalfe), McNeil, Maupay.

Subs: Lonergan, Leban, Dixon, Bates, Beaumont-Clark. 


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Alan Johnson
1 Posted 22/07/2023 at 09:45:23
Can anyone please give me guidance as to why this site plays havoc with my phone?


Mark Ryan
2 Posted 22/07/2023 at 10:54:26
It's a great pity that we cannot integrate a new striker into the pre-season to allow him to gel with the rest of the team. Kenwright's still here… No striker.

This is my last post until the season opener because I know I am a stuck record and boring. Disillusioned is the word, amongst other expletives. I'm aware of that.

Rob Halligan
3 Posted 22/07/2023 at 11:17:09
Off topic, but I guess this Is the best place to put this, but does anyone know of anywhere in the Liverpool area that makes proper football banners?
Danny O’Neill
4 Posted 22/07/2023 at 11:42:51
Mark. Get frustrated but never get disillusioned.

We've got a season to look forward to.

Shaun Laycock
5 Posted 22/07/2023 at 11:58:13
Let's judge the situation when the window closes. Lots of time between now and then. Let's get behind the team.
Dennis Stevens
6 Posted 22/07/2023 at 12:15:23
It'll be interesting to see which players appear in which match today.
Peter Mills
7 Posted 22/07/2023 at 12:51:42
Rob #3,

I can't vouch for them but it might be worth trying ukbannerman on Longmoor Lane, just by Fazakerley Station. They've had a shop there for many years.

Whatever you do, don't search “football banners Liverpool” – it'll send your blood pressure through the roof.

Dave Ganley
8 Posted 22/07/2023 at 12:54:24
Rob #3,

There's a place on Smithdown Road in Wavertree called Fitwell, it's predominately a tee-shirt and workwear shop but advertises doing football banners in the shop window. Don't know what they're like but worth giving them a shout.

Paul Hewitt
10 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:10:56
Rob, a bed sheet and tin of paint is just as good.
Steve Shave
11 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:19:00
Hope Maupay doesn't get injured so we can't sell him. I am usually one to get behind our more maligned players, I like an underdog. However, he does not fit in the Dycheball system and never will; move along.

Saw on another thread someone mentioned Barkley being heavily linked on a free. Who would take him on sensible wages and a 2-year contract? He would improve our bench so I would be interested in a punt there. Something to prove?

Frank McGregor
12 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:25:14
Where is Dominic Calvert Lewin if he he is still not fit a reduction in salary should be put in place.
If he is not fit by 1st September," fitness to work" should be put in place meaning given the opportunity to seek an alternative career.
Luke Welch
13 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:28:21
Let's see what happens today but I would seriously worry if this team sheet tried to stay in prem.
Gary Brown
14 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:34:28
Adding to the laundry list of worries for me is this manager and his selections.

What the hell is that team? Is it 5 at the back against league one? Is our new spring chicken LB cover being used as a RW? Are we really playing one dwarf striker once again??

Might well be one of the most negative and dull pre-season line ups I’ve ever seen. Just utterly pointless. Maybe a mistake to have two pre-season friendlies on the same day with this squad……but then he’s ok’d that, most likely as he thinks fitness is all that matters.

We’ll find out quickly in premier league that fitness is not a sub for technique and chemistry.

As a final moan any chance of some news from club on DCL / Dele recover, and where the Lord Lucans of Cannon, Gomes, Gbamin are?

Shane Corcoran
15 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:42:07
Am I reading it right that Dyche is in the stand watching the game at Tranmere?
Philip Bunting
16 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:42:34
A squad missing Garner, Braithwaite, Onana, Coleman, and DCL. All first team regulars. Hopefully all will filter in shortly plus the dude from Villareall who's name I can't spell
Jay Harris
17 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:44:11
Can anyone advise how to log into the wigan game as an international member. All I can see is the Tranmere game
John Chambers
18 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:44:55
Frank #12, from what I have read on this and other sites DCL is not injured but his fitness is a couple of weeks behind the main squad.
Peter Thistle
19 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:53:01
When is DCL not behind the main squad in fitness ? frickin Maupay still, sigh, can he just f**k off.
John Hall
20 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:57:29
Maupay will score a hat-trick today and then sign a new 10-year contract on 200k a week! ;)
Kevin Naylor
21 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:58:09
Depressed already and its only a friendly, only 5 subs including 2 goalies FFS.
Peter Thistle
22 Posted 22/07/2023 at 13:58:53
no he won't :P he'll be rubbish and we'll moan about it.
David Bromwell
23 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:02:22
Daily Mail showing line up with Tarkowski as captain. Have I missed something, is he now captain ? If so looks like a smart move to me, a real leader and one who plays every week. Positive move by the Manager, now let's see what happens on the pitch.
Peter Thistle
24 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:02:37
Is this stream ever going to start ? https://www.viprow.nu/wigan-athletic-vs-everton-online-stream-1

Anyone got a working link ?

Shane Corcoran
25 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:05:07
I’ve got it working on my IPTV but it’s in slow motion. At least in think it is.
John Raftery
26 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:09:18
Very interesting to note Dyche is at Tranmere. That should send a clear message to the under 21 hopefuls.
Jeff Armstrong
27 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:09:46
Official site the usual bag of shite, same every single pre season, fucking amateurs!
Peter Thistle
28 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:09:57
link is working now, no commentary sadly, it's a bit quiet...
Derek Powell
29 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:11:29
John Raftery
30 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:12:18
Link is working perfectly for me.

Gary (14) At this stage fitness is all that matters.

Gary Brown
31 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:17:39
John @ 30 - Bollocks. Fitness can be achieved on the training pitches and gym. Matches need to be about chemistry and technique just as much as fitness.
Peter Thistle
32 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:17:59
Can someone do a shoutcast and provide commentary for us, need it to drown out the noisy scally neighbours
Ray Robinson
33 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:18:30
Can’t long onto the Official Site to watch. 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable.
Bill Griffiths
34 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:19:46
Pretty pathetic so far.
Jeff Armstrong
35 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:20:31
Ray same as mine, it’s EVERY time, the club value the game at £8.99 they should reimburse season ticket holders that amount each time they fail.

Watching on dodgy firestick now, pretty even, Young doing ok at Left mid

Iakovos Iasonidis
36 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:21:38
thank you for the link, it plays for me
Ray Robinson
37 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:22:12
Jeff, same the other day against Stade Nyonnais.
Paul Evans
38 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:23:38
So we missing

Wish the club could update us on this lot, apart from the 3 returning from international duty, but it’s radio silence as always….

Karl Parsons
39 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:24:02
fucking joke, nothing is changing with this Club I can't log in. EVERY Fucking season this happens, FUCK OFF Moshiri and Bullshit Bill
Bill Gall
40 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:24:12
has anyone tried to renew their international membership, I keep trying asks for a promotional code that o don't have and then want let me type my card #in, was still an official international member before the game started and then it went off, must be a nasty virus spreading through the club from the top down that discourages membership
Soren Moyer
41 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:24:33
If anyone interested, fine coverage but in Portuguese:


Peter Thistle
42 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:25:15
Dunno why you pay for the pre-season, EFC are known to be too stupid to have a working link for people to login to
Brian Williams
43 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:26:29
Well it appears to be working fine for some, me included, but don't let that stop you decrying the club over, and over, and over.................................
Peter Thistle
44 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:27:01
BTW there's no commentary on the portugese link
Jeff Armstrong
45 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:29:45
The lack of live action as promised on the official site is typical of a business run by complete amateurs, who was surprised when they couldn't log in to this friendly ?

Nobody, its the same every pre-season.

Oh, so those who can't get the game should just keep their gobs shut then?

Peter Thistle
46 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:31:18
Watch the streams pasted in this thread, less hassle man.
Andrew Brookfield
47 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:34:42
Godfrey is not a leftback, Young looks bright though. McNeil on the right not to convincing.
Stu Gore
48 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:35:03
Coleman - injured
Branthwaite -holiday
Garner - holiday
Onana - injured
Deli - injured
DCL - injured
Mykolenko - injured
Grey - holiday
Gomes - hairdressers
Danjuma - not our player (currently)

Ashley Young seems to be having a good game so far.

Dale Self
49 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:40:21
Actually being shown in the States fox deportes. UTFT!
Kevin Naylor
50 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:40:23
Typical Maupay 6 yards out 10 yards over the bar.
Steve Shave
51 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:40:27
McNeil always looks better on left which is why we must buy a right winger, almost as important as a back up striker. Young is a class act even at 37.
Steve Shave
52 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:40:27
McNeil always looks better on left which is why we must buy a right winger, almost as important as a back up striker. Young is a class act even at 37.
Soren Moyer
53 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:40:40
Peter, 44,
Lost the audio but here the youtube link with sound:

Shane Corcoran
54 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:41:13
For all of you that can’t get access every pre season, I assume you look for and receive a refund?
Dale Self
55 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:45:21
The movement following a pass and the regular runs to disrupt decfense lines looks ok.
George Cumiskey
56 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:47:30
First half very poor, same old same old, only Young doing okay.
Gary Brown
57 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:49:26
“Everton 0” is going to continue to be one of the most dominant headlines of the year ahead.
Neil Gribbin
58 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:50:44
I’m on the app on my phone and it’s working fine…..I’ve written to the club, telling them how woeful their IT infrastructure appears to be. Doubt I’ll get a meaningful response.
Kevin Naylor
59 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:50:55
Whats worrying is that could be the starting line up against Fulham.
Dale Self
60 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:52:01
Small stuff but I am seeing some expectations of specific moves and possesion that plays to the movement Also an awareness pf where the safe pass out of pressure may be. The system is getting there at the basic level.
Dale Self
61 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:53:03
Stuff. Although I did get a small stiffie noticing the play
Soren Moyer
62 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:53:47
Zero shots for us! is it a good sign lol?
John Hall
63 Posted 22/07/2023 at 14:53:57
Maupay and Godfrey just found their levels.
Keane's distribution absolutely crap looking for Maupay with crosses into the box. Midfield has a huge hole when Wigan break out from defence.
Absence of a proper striker clearly evident.
Peter Thistle
64 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:00:47
Absence of new signings is clearly evident.
Bill Griffiths
65 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:05:50
John (#63), Keane played the 2 best passes of the first half.
Michael Kenrick
66 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:06:41
Doesn't Ashley Young qualify as a new signing?
Peter Thistle
67 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:09:28
He qualifies as an OLD signing. Wigan look much sharper than us, which is a worry
Dale Self
68 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:10:12
Collective movement definitely improved.
Dale Self
69 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:11:15
Peter, I'm taking the other side of that observation
Peter Thistle
70 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:13:19
Ok they've improved in the last 5 minutes, some decent buildup play but obviously lacking a goalscorer in the middle of the box
Jeff Armstrong
71 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:13:29
Maupey missing a sitter there.
Luke Welch
72 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:13:34
It's a friendly we all know that! However, we saw this team last year and their shit.
Christy Ring
73 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:14:57
Dyche is at the Tranmere game, and Tom Cannon is at Preston’s friendly with Aberdeen. We’re hardly selling him as well? Would offer a lot more than Maupay today.
Stuart Sharp
74 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:16:48
For the first time ever, my preseason stream actually works. So I've been lucky enough to see Maupay miss two chances. Young is our best player... just trying to work out whether that's a good thing or not.
Peter Thistle
75 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:17:11
How did he not score that ?!
Jon Harding
76 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:17:33
Stu Gore: "Gomes - hairdessers". Funniest comment on here for a long time. Nice one!
Jeff Armstrong
77 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:18:19
Doucoure doing his best Maupay impression 🥴
Gary Fenton
78 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:18:47
Am sure the commentators are watching a different game to me.
Still no changes to the way we play to last season and we all know what happened
Ian Edwards
79 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:19:13
I presume Maupay up front on his own with little or no service. Nothing changes.
Gary Fenton
80 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:21:19
doesn't matter where Maupay plays he is shit
Dale Self
81 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:21:19
That’s ‘assume’ if you aren’t actually watching.

Are you talking about that shot off the bar Jeff?

Stu Gore
82 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:22:46
That move for Duke to hit the bar was lovely. shame he couldn’t keep that down
Stu Gore
83 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:23:13
Get in 1-0
Soren Moyer
84 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:23:53
Young is da man. Showing Maupay how to score!
Dale Self
85 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:24:19
Ooh. What was that? Just like the live forum eh!
Michael Kenrick
86 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:24:27
New signing just scored. Well taken with his left after his first shot with the right foot was blocked.
Jeff Armstrong
87 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:24:39
Yes Dale, it was easier to score, Young showing both of them how to finish there.
Bill Griffiths
88 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:25:03
Gary (#78), it's just a carbon copy of last season's games.
I emailed the commentators saying they're watching a different game to everyone else.
Dale Self
89 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:25:13
Isn’t anyone going to say ‘oh dear’?
Stu Gore
90 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:27:34
I always like the FFS
Jeff Armstrong
91 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:27:43
Oh dear
Soren Moyer
92 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:27:52
Come on you Salmons.
Tony Everan
93 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:28:10
No messing about from Young there finishing that off, a net buster. Driving run out from Iwobi, excellent cross on the run into the danger zone from McNeill set it up.
Dale Self
94 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:29:01
Duly noted. Check out the pressure now that we are a goal up. I'm liking the look of who we send and who stays on a man.
Liam Heffernan
95 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:29:53
I don’t like criticising our players but Maupay is an awful player, nearly got in the way again, of Young’s goal.
Stu Gore
96 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:31:01
Well done Young. Great 70 mins that
Dale Self
97 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:33:18
Iwobi and McNeil are working on some intermediate level Bainaar dynamics.
Will Mabon
98 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:34:43
Missing Davies.
Peter Thistle
99 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:38:17
bollocks, I missed the goal
Jay Harris
100 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:38:19
38 year old full back shows Maupay how it’s done.
Continue to be disappointed with Godfrey.
Dale Self
101 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:41:04
Park the fucking bus! We have to get 3 points here!

Oh sorry, I had a flashback.

Peter Thistle
102 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:44:12
If we win at all this season it's gonna be 1-0
Shane Corcoran
103 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:45:43
Cannon has injured his hamstring
Will Mabon
105 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:48:15
Peter, this may be the win.
Peter Thistle
106 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:50:29
They're congralutating each other like they just won 3 points away to City, calm down lads
Will Mabon
107 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:51:57
Someone will have to help me with what we learned there.
Stu Gore
108 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:52:43
Comfortable 1-0 away. Same every time please. If we can win all our home games comfortably 3-0 then I will be reasonably happy.
Jay Harris
109 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:52:54
Thought it was a decent run out overall.
Some good saves from Picks.
MF a bit lightweight without Onana and Garner and nobody up front is still a worry.
Dale Self
110 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:53:14
We will leave that to someone who is sympathetic to your struggle.
George Cumiskey
111 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:53:31
Not impressed I'm afraid Young head and shoulders our best player says it all really.
Will Mabon
112 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:54:04
It's a big ask, Stu...
Will Mabon
113 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:55:05
George, he was. Iwobi reasonable, Pickford tidy.
Peter Thistle
114 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:55:08
it's pretty much where we left off from last season. Without new signings it will be groundhog day, hopefully we sign a coupla decent players
Dale Self
115 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:55:57
Really looking forward to the live forum this season. If I knew my emoticons I would put a smiling winky face on here
Peter Thistle
116 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:57:17
It was horrible on here last season, especially near the end. The pessimism was palpable, I felt sick until we were safe
Frank Crewe
117 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:57:57
Good work out. Still desperate for a striker though. Having Maupay up front is like playing with 10 men. Ashley Young looked a cut above.
Gavin Johnson
119 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:58:41
While you can't read too much into pre-season games, that game this afternoon was a horrible game to watch.

We desperately need attacking players and I am fuming with Ian Woan for not bringing on Francis Okeronkwo in the 2nd half. Why keep playing Maupay when he clearly has no future at Everton football club??

He was awful again. One shot in the 1st half was more like a clearance. As a player he is the lowest sub level of shit and I really do think he is the worst signing we've made... ever!

Mike Gaynes
120 Posted 22/07/2023 at 15:59:19
The relentless negativity on TW is in midseason form. Clearly there's been a lot of intense training going on.
Paul Tran
121 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:04:10
Mike, if I came on here more often I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning. The performative hysteria is amusing, but gets tiresome very, very quickly.
Alan Johnson
122 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:07:48
Thought Young and Patterson stood out. How long can we go on without strikers. Beginning to get concerned, with the season fast approaching.
Rob Halligan
123 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:08:45
Decent watch that, with a good run out today for most of the players. Total domination of the second half rounded off with a good composed finish by Young. Stand out moment was obviously the pass by Pickford to Patterson, who brought about a brilliant instant first time touch on the touchline to leave his marker for dead, followed by a great pass into Doucoure who really should have scored instead of smashing the ball against the crossbar. Agree with the views on Maupay. The quicker he’s gone the better.

By the way Gavin, Tom Cannon was not even on the bench this afternoon.

Brent Stephens
124 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:08:55
Dale #110. Quite. Some watch and learn. Some watch.

Mike #120, not sure what we learned from the negativity today. Still, it is only pre-season.

Bill Gall
125 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:15:12
Not a lot to say, typical pre-season game.

Young looks a decent signing for backup, Maupay no improvement from last season, not improving his transfer fee if sold.

Patterson looked good going forward, just a normal workout game.

Christy Ring
126 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:18:36
Tom Cannon was at the Preston match.
David West
127 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:18:58
Nothing new to report should be Woans report to dyche.

Apart from Young coming in, it's same again !

I Thought Young should of played left back, Godfrey will struggle in the prem, as he has at fullback on most occasions.
Young showed some good play,he's got a much better delivery into the box than iwobi from the left or right.
Patterson again impressed. Big season for him this year.
Mcneil was our only real threat with Young who will be a useful squad member.

Unless we get a player who can run in behind with pace to stretch defences we are just too one dimensional. Maupay is a passenger.
It's got to be our top priority now.

From the players who are missing today,
Apart from DCL, who actually improves our attacking threat ?

There are too many ifs or maybees..
Maybe DCL will stay fit.
Maybe Gray will be more consistent and less wasteful.
If we can get onana more advanced.
If Deli gets his form back in 6 games.

With the players out we may be a stronger, harder to beat side, but we are still toothless going forward.

Christy Ring
128 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:20:29
Regarding the negativity here, it’s not a patch on the live forum, where it’s always horrendous.
Rob Halligan
129 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:20:29
Gavin, try editing again, because Okoronkwo was playing in the other match at Tranmere!
Paul Tran
130 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:23:54
Brent, here's my Live Forum predictions for next season.

It will be the worst Everton team ever.

We will definitely get relegated (unless we're 'lucky', ie, get more points than at least three other teams).

We shouldn't buy any other team's cast-offs, young inexperienced players, older experienced players, anyone who's ever been relegated, or anyone Dutch.

The first player who scores against us will be the player we should have bought.

Our 'best' players, as ever on here, will be the ones not on the pitch.

Eddie Dunn
131 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:25:33
Saw half an hour of that. Nothing much has changed.

Hoping Dom's return, along with Garner and others, will enable us to play with more purpose.

The kit (which I dislike) looks okay from a distance on a Portuguese feed.

Brent Stephens
132 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:27:39
Paul #130, plus ca change!
Sam Hoare
133 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:29:38
A win away from home is always good.

We're not going to be a joyful watch this season. Obviously. And we will be better without the ball than without it.

But hopefully we will pick up points and grind out wins.

From what I saw this could easily have been 3-0 as Doucoure and Maupay missed chances they should score.

David West
134 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:31:51
Paul 130 did you copy and paste them from a live forum?
I don't even bother with the live forum. It's a negativity black hole ●

It's like an outlet for fans who are unhappy in their lives to project their anger in some sort of cathartic therapy. If it helps them get through the day, each to their own!!

Alan J Thompson
135 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:33:26
I was amused by somebody saying that Young and Patterson were our best, the only two positions that have been strengthened, albeit with the same man who wasn't playing the position he was bought to cover.

Has Dyche actually been seen at Prenton Park or is he at a Finch Farm medical? Now that Simms has gone do we actually have a young centre-forward or are Calvert-Lewin and Cannon it?

Allen Rodgers
138 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:43:01
A decent game of footie but we seem to have no forward players. Keane and Tarkowski got forward quite a lot, as did Godfrey, who is a shadow of the player we signed. Young, Pattersen, Iwobi and McNeil the pick of the rest The veteran Young looked to be our best player!

Tom Cannon was pictured at Deepdale but not sure why he didn't play any part. Hopefully see him at Bolton, surely we can't afford to sell him especially as Maupay was dire as per.

Dave Abrahams
139 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:43:16
I got the game on my IPad without too much hassle and there were a few good moments; I didn't expect many.

It's all about fitness in pre-season but the score could have been bigger if we had taken the two gilt edge chances created by Patterson who had a good game. Ashley Young's 38-year-old football brain seemed to be working a lot better than a lot of the other players.

Did Everton use another young player as a sub besides Metcalfe, did Beaumont-Clarke come on?

We will improve when more players sign on and the rest of the squad make their way back and of course we are only in the first couple of weeks of preseason training. Always look on the bright side – if Barry Rathbone can, what's stopping the rest of us?

Jay Harris
140 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:44:35
Realism is not negativity.

We have known for a long time that Maupay is not up to the task and we have sold Gordon, Richarlison and Simms but there is still no sign of that goalscoring forward nor of Calvert-Lewin.

If we can't vent opinion and frustration on ToffeeWeb, what is the point? Some posters appear to be really happy with the status quo and it seems to have become fashionable for them to knock other posters who are more critical.

I respect their opinion and will not knock them for that but please lay off genuine criticism.

Joe McMahon
141 Posted 22/07/2023 at 16:45:41
Alan, I asked on this site about 3 weeks ago, "Will we stay up this season?" The few that responded said yes.

To do this, Everton are going to have to do something that isn't very Everton. That as we all know is score goals and plenty of them. The club cannot go into the season pinning all hopes on a injury-prone striker, who although useful is not very good at shooting.

We also need 2 up top, that will help Calvert-Lewin.

Sean Roe
145 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:02:56
I enjoy reading all the different opinions on here, some I agree with, some I don't, but they are all interesting and all valid.

What I don't enjoy is when people get personal or flat out tell somebody they are wrong for their opinion.

Mike Gaynes
146 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:04:20
Isn't anybody out watching the Open today?

Need some Blues chanting for Tommy's putter. He's missing some chances.

Paul Tran
147 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:04:22
Joe #141, I was one of them.

We stayed up last season, despite having one barely playing striker and suffering inadequate management for half the season.

With better management and fitness for the whole season, it seems realistic to suggest we'll stay up this season. More so if we actually buy a couple of players who know where the goal is.

When I wrote an article on here saying Dyche was going to keep us up, giving some realistic reasons to back up my view. I was called deluded.

The 'realists' came on here every day to tell me we were definitely going to get relegated.

The 'realists' are now on here every day telling me we're definitely going to get relegated this season.

I didn't meet a non-Evertonian who thought we were going down last season. Couldn't get decent odds on us staying up with any bookie. Found plenty of value on Betfair, though...

Looks like I'll be doing the same this season.

Realism, huh?

Mike Gaynes
148 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:10:01
Paul, this longtime habit you have of making good sense is really irritating.

Can't wait to have a Guinness with you in October. We will have some laughs, my man.

Gavin Johnson
149 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:11:51
The striker issue has to be addressed. Unfortunately Victor Boniface is now going to Germany, but he could have been the answer next season. Relatively low cost, young and has scored wherever he's played.

Looks like we'll do the typical Everton thing and buy someone who's played in the Premier League. My money is on Iheanacho being our next signing. His goal scoring record isn't great but his mitigation is that he has good goal-to-minutes stats, with a lot of his appearances coming from the bench.

Not an exciting signing but has to be an improvement on Maupay. Apparently Chelsea will allow Broja out on loan this summer. If we could also get him we would have some decent depth with Danjuma also capable of playing there.

A Broja loan would also allow us to loan Cannon back out to Preston.

Dale Self
150 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:14:06
Yes Neil! Root for the Blues, good man.

And let's not get too sensitive about football opinions and whether they are accurate. The attacks are really where the action is. The subtleties of the opinions are sometimes attacks if you know how to recognize them.

Brendan McLaughlin
151 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:21:32
Jay #140,

Further up this thread one poster shared his anger that Tom Cannon had not been brought on against Wigan...only for Rob Halligan to promptly point out that Cannon wasn't in the squad.

The poster then edited his post so that it read that not using Okoronkwo was actually the reason for his anger. Rob then pointed out that Okoronkwo was involved in the other Everton game at Tranmere.

Realistic criticism or negativity?

Neil Copeland
152 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:24:15
Dale 😁

In comparison with last seasons pre-season games we look much better so far. I know we played a top team in Arsenal but to me the players look better prepared. Remember that we had played 2 and lost 2 with an aggregate Goals For and Against of 0-6! With 4 of them coming against a team not that much better than Wigan!

It's just about fitness and preparation at this stage but even so 2 wins still feels good. 2 or 3 players to add to Ashley Young's obvious class and we will be fine.

Mal van Schaick
153 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:25:27
I wasn't happy when we signed Young, thinking it was a backward step, but he looked fit today and made some good decisions especially taking on and beating players.

So, I will swallow my pride and put my faith in the manager to make the correct decisions in his effort to recruit players.

Alan J Thompson
154 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:26:55
Gavin (#149);

Would Chelsea want their man to play the majority of games and would that be possible should Calvert-Lewin be fit for the greater part of the season?

I wouldn't have thought that they were just doing it to reduce their wage bill.

Brian Wilkinson
155 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:30:48
Just back from the game.

Fittest player on the pitch today was Young, bags of energy, good addition. McNeil put his usual shift in. Maupay must surely be on his way out, offers nothing at all.

Other than that not much to get too excited about, certainly need to get a striker or two in.

A good following by the Evertonians today, could be a long worrying season.

Christy Ring
156 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:43:49
We played nearly all last season with no striker. If and when we sign a striker and Calvert-Lewin hopefully gets over his hamstring problem, we'll be a lot more potent than last season, in my opinion.
Dale Rose
157 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:43:58
Fuck me thought I would try and catch the match on YouTube. It was there. Piss poor quality but something to watch.

After about 10 minutes, I realised, it was some twat playing a Play Station game. Fucking millennials.

Gavin Johnson
158 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:45:44
Alan #154,

I don't know. Apparently they want to loan Broja out next season, but they will want him playing football regularly so that could be beneficial for them and us if Calvert-Lewin's fitness continues to fail, but as you say, if Calvert-Lewin is fit, he won't play that much.

That said, if Everton had a decent roster of strikers like any other big club, we would rotate and rest Calvert-Lewin in games next season anyway. Sounds like a big part of the problem was rushing him back and playing him cos we had no one else to play.

So maybe a Broja loan would work irrespective of Dom's fitness, but if you were Chelsea, a loan to someone like Luton or Sheffield United where Broja is a stonewall starter, would probably be better.

Ian Hollingworth
159 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:47:41
The fact that a 38-year-old Ashley Young was the stand-out player today should be a reminder of how far behind our squad is in terms of quality.

As we all know, without quality we are in for another tough season.

At least we still have the best Chairman ever to be a Chairman.

Paul Tran
160 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:50:09
Point taken, Ian, though some might say it shows that bringing him in was a canny bit of business?
Deborah Maria
161 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:50:24

Tom Cannon was at Deepdale watching Preston vs Aberdeen.

Gary Brown
162 Posted 22/07/2023 at 17:57:41
Brendan @151 - the point being “why not try something new, instead of trying again and again with same old failed Maupay”.

I agree with the edited poster. We learned nothing from today other than we'll still get Godfrey at left-back.

Eddie Dunn
163 Posted 22/07/2023 at 18:09:39

I wonder just how much pressure Calvert-Lewin was put under to play? Such is the non-disclosure world that they live in, I don't suppose we will ever know.

A mate of mine visited the club some years ago, "helping" a former player write his autobiography. My mate spoke to Moyes, Stubbs and others, but the only tales they would allow were as dull as dishwater, and the interesting ones were out of bounds.

It has now been a long time since Dominic broke down (Bournemouth). The longer we have to wait, the more worried I get.

Bob Skelton
164 Posted 22/07/2023 at 18:24:25
Nothing changed from last season except for a 38-year-old showing more skill than the rest of them.

Why did we sell Simms when we have a poor excuse for a forward in Maupay and an injury-prone Calvert-Lewin? Do we need the money that badly!

If we don't get someone who can put the ball away, we are in for grief again.

Mark Murphy
165 Posted 22/07/2023 at 18:25:36
Mike Gaynes @148 what game are you coming over for please? I’d love to meet you.
Marc Hints
166 Posted 22/07/2023 at 18:37:49
Dale #157

That absolutely cracked me up

Si Pulford
167 Posted 22/07/2023 at 18:38:22
Am I missing something here? I'd swear it was two played two wins and a load of fitness under the belt.

What more do people want?! It's pre-season.

If we lost there would be murder. If we drew there would be murder.

We've won comfortably and there's murder.

Talk about loose loose.

The negativity is stunning. We know where we are at. We know it's not where we need to be. We all agree on that. But strap on the fucking big boy pants and stop cry arseing for gods sake – pre-season is about fitness. Half the squad is on holiday or carrying knocks and signings will come.

Paul Kossoff
168 Posted 22/07/2023 at 18:43:58
I thought the lads done okay, took it easy against a good pressing Wigan side. No Calvert-Lewin again, bit worrying, and the usual sitter missed by Maupay.

Nice finish by Young. Getting fitter for Fulham and hopefully a few signings to come in as our squad is threadbare to say the least. I would have liked to see Cannon starting to give him some confidence. No left winger or do I need new specs?

Gavin Johnson
169 Posted 22/07/2023 at 18:44:24
Brendan #151, you're referring to me. Yes, I posted my frustration that Maupay was allowed to play the whole 2nd half instead of bringing Cannon or Onkeronkwo on.

I watched it on a foreign stream and didn't see the bench, but it was actually Shane's post #103 and not Rob's post where I discovered Cannon wasn't on the bench, so I edited my post. Are you going to bring a federal case against me? lol.

But anyway, it's sad state that a striker as poor as Maupay with no future at the club is playing a whole 90mins and we have no other option this close to a new season. So I feel my frustration is totally warranted and not negative at all.

Paul Kossoff
170 Posted 22/07/2023 at 18:47:20
Gavin, I can't believe Maupay played at all let alone 90 minutes. I hope to God he's not starting against Fulham.
Joe McMahon
171 Posted 22/07/2023 at 18:48:47
Ashley Young is not here for the money (he don't need it), he seems genuinely pleased to be an Everton player!
Paul Tran
172 Posted 22/07/2023 at 18:59:02
Yes, Joe, a good, solid, consistent player. Good role model for the younger players. Hopefully the first of a few good signings.
Ian Riley
173 Posted 22/07/2023 at 19:02:47
A win! Clean sheet! It’s positives going forward!

It’s a fitness exercise. Rarely sign players pre season so last week of the trasfer window, arrivals in!

Survival is success next season! Anyone expecting more please get help.

Brendan McLaughlin
174 Posted 22/07/2023 at 19:04:35
Gavin #169

Fair enough although I find it difficult to grasp why anyone who posts on a thread which gives the players selected for the match in the OP isn't aware which substitutes are available to come on.

So no federal case this time... though, if it happens again...

I agree about Maupay but obviously Dyche feels he may still have a role to play this season unless we sign someone new or one of the existing players convinces Dyche they're a better option.

Paul Birmingham
175 Posted 22/07/2023 at 19:08:53
First outing this season and good spirits today amongst Evertonians, in context of the reality of the club’s finances.

Stuck around after the game, got some food, and let the traffic fade as the Robin Park was rammed to the full with cars.

But positivity was good. Ashley Young has the guile and can still weight the pass.

Let's take the spirit and belief to the Fulham game.


Peter Mills
176 Posted 22/07/2023 at 19:17:01
Mike #146,

There was just a big shout of “Up the Toffees” after Tommy took a tee shot!

Jerome Shields
177 Posted 22/07/2023 at 19:34:16
Maupay is played because he cost so much of Moshiri's money. He appears to work hard, but if he can't take chances he does not pose a threat. He just becomes part of the opposition defence.
Jerome Shields
178 Posted 22/07/2023 at 19:34:16
Maupay is played because he cost so much of Moshiri's money. He appears to work hard but, if he can't take chances, he does not pose a threat. He just becomes part of the opposition defence.
Tom Bowers
179 Posted 22/07/2023 at 19:39:12
Messi (million dollars a game) not the only one who can score the winner on his debut).

Will Young be our secret weapon at 38?

Joking apart, the situation is still serious at his time with Maupay still proving he isn't the answer and Calvert-Lewin apparently still not fit.

Jeff Armstrong
181 Posted 22/07/2023 at 20:20:54
Instead of hand wringing about how good Ashley Young was at 38, and how desperate we have become, we naysayers (me) should be delighted that we have a really good player in the ranks.

He played both left and right side and was very good on both flanks. I'm hopeful he will provide an option to the left-back position because Godfrey is not the answer there, Godfrey is not the answer anywhere across the back four.

If Norwich were interested it might be time to say have him back and we won't pay you the last £5 million.

Danny O’Neill
182 Posted 22/07/2023 at 20:48:03
A typical pre-season game. Started slowly and a bit wasteful in the middle. Improved in the second half. A good run out.

Patterson looked really good and McNeil showing the same promise he demonstrated last season once he settled and grew in confidence. If Doucoure keeps getting into those forward positions, he will get goals.

I never really read to much into the pre-season games.

Like the kit though!

Billy Shears
183 Posted 22/07/2023 at 21:20:07
Any away win should be welcomed, even in pre-season...

Two outta two, keep it going, Blue Boys, eh!

Rob Halligan
184 Posted 22/07/2023 at 21:20:25
Peter # 7 and Dave # 8.

Thanks for the info. I will check them out. 👍👍

Danny O’Neill
185 Posted 22/07/2023 at 21:36:38
Rob, are you taking it to Stoke?
Mike Gaynes
186 Posted 22/07/2023 at 21:44:48
Mark #165, Luton and Bournemouth. Haven't started making arrangements yet but I will next week.

Pete #176, sorry I missed that... had the sound turned down!

Andrew Ellams
187 Posted 22/07/2023 at 22:06:12
Not to bothered about the result but terrified about the lack of firepower in the team and on the bench.
Rob Halligan
188 Posted 22/07/2023 at 22:06:47
Danny, no mate. Need to check out costs etc before I order one.

If I get one, it will be making its debut at the Sir Vivian Richards stadium in Antigua in December.

Brian Williams
189 Posted 22/07/2023 at 22:16:04
Aye Col he'll be gettin' pissed thinkin' wtf am I doin'? 🤣
Bill Gienapp
190 Posted 22/07/2023 at 22:49:16
Sounds like if we just sign ten more Ashley Youngs, we'll be in great shape for the start of the season!

Maupay tries hard, but goodness – it's just not happening.

Alex Gray
191 Posted 22/07/2023 at 22:57:01
Managed to catch the highlights.

Did Maupay play as badly as he looked on them? Christ, I've never known a striker as inept as him.

Honestly we should've kept Rondon. As least he was tall and useless.

Steve Griffiths
192 Posted 22/07/2023 at 23:31:57
Rob (123),

Cannon picked up an injury at the end of the Nyonnais game, bang on the top of the foot.

Gary Brown
193 Posted 22/07/2023 at 23:36:12
Steve (195) - and it was just a coincidence he was in the crowd at Deepdale?

Mark these words: Dyche is anti-youth and Cannon will go in favour of someone like Che Adams.

Soren Moyer
194 Posted 22/07/2023 at 23:39:18
The more we put Maupay in the shopping window, the less our chances get to find a buyer for him imo!
Will Mabon
195 Posted 22/07/2023 at 23:46:46
Brent @ 124:

"Some watch and learn. Some watch."


"Mike #120, not sure what we learned from the negativity today."

Seems you saw negativity but were unable to learn.

Steve Griffiths
196 Posted 23/07/2023 at 00:15:08
Gary, probably not… and I agree that Cannon will go back out on loan, maybe to Preston again. That's the right thing for his development, because he's not ready for the Premier League just yet.

Danjuma will be announced early next week and hopefully one more striker will come in, so that Maupay can then be released. Until that time, I think we're stuck with him.

Shane Corcoran
197 Posted 23/07/2023 at 00:41:53
Steve #195, it’s been reported as a hamstring injury from training during the week.
Bill Watson
198 Posted 23/07/2023 at 00:48:23
A good run out against a Wigan side which is a week, or so, ahead of us in pre-season training.

Star man was Young with decent games from McNeil and Patterson. The rest were pretty average with Godfrey pretty awful and Maupay totally useless.

Early on, Wigan found huge gaps in our midfield and with better finishing would have gone in ahead at half-time.

Second half we were tighter and better organised but the final pass was often poor. Apart from the goal and Doucouré hitting the bar, we rarely looked like scoring.

Worryingly, there was very little on the bench and we only made one substitution. As most others have pointed out, the signing of a least one half-decent striker is essential.

Don Alexander
199 Posted 23/07/2023 at 01:20:59
To Soren (#197) and all the other credible Maupay detractors – don't focus on him personally. Focus instead on the buffoon 95% in charge of our club when Maupay and so very many other abject failure players were signed on huge, lengthy contracts, much to their, their family's, and their agent's delight.

Money for nothing – and everyone in football knows full well we've been in dire straits for over 30 years.

Anyone with optimism whilst Kenwright and his stooge boss are still pulling the strings is living in cloud-cuckoo land as far as I'm concerned.

Dan Parker
200 Posted 23/07/2023 at 01:38:18
Good assessment, Bill. Godfrey was promising when we signed him but injuries have taken away his pace which was his biggest asset. Not a good defender.

Maupay is Championship quality at best. Unless we sign a striker and keep Calvert-Lewin fit, it'll be another shite season of struggle.

Mike Gaynes
201 Posted 23/07/2023 at 05:19:51
I'd disagree a bit, Dan. Godfrey still has just as much pace as ever. He just hasn't developed in any other area. He can't pass, can't cross a ball, can't win a header, can't anticipate, ballwatches endlessly while ignoring his back shoulder, doesn't position himself properly as a center back and can't judge angles to be a fullback.

He can still run like hell, and he can put in a great tackle once in a while, but that's it.

Danny O’Neill
202 Posted 23/07/2023 at 06:37:54
Mike, I gave up scrolling trying to find it, but saw somewhere that you are over in October.


Seems like a perfect opportunity for a get-together. One of the County Road watering holes or a chance to visit The Bramley Moore pub and marvel at the rising stadium on the banks of our Royal Blue Mersey. My red brother-in-law told me only yesterday that he passes regularly on the train and privately, he is jealous.

When that team crosses the white line, they've got me 100% and more, whoever they are. It has always been like that. The Gordon Lee years, Howard's early ones, the debacle that was the 90s. The mediocracy that was the 2000s up until today, with the last two seasons being particularly tough.

I will give my opinion as much as anyone about Everton as a club, but when that team takes to the pitch, whoever they are, I want them to win. We all do.

Kieran Kinsella
203 Posted 23/07/2023 at 07:40:26
Neil Copeland @152,

I'm pretty sure if you, I, Jonathan Oppenheimer, his wife and kids, that Canadian fellow, and a few vagrants from Minneapolis had taken the field last summer versus Inchy's lads, we'd have got a better result than Gbamin, Alli and Co.

But, with that being said, I agree with your sentiment. A win is a win. It may not be Brazil 1970 but Dyche is getting the best out of this group.

Si Pulford
205 Posted 23/07/2023 at 07:54:01
Add our returning players to that plus Djanuma and we're getting there.

I try to ignore the gossip sites as they are rarely right. And when they are, it seems more a case of ‘a broken clock is right twice a day….' than any real insight.

So I'm just praying Thelwell knows who he wants for that striker berth. Has a shortlist of three and is working his way through them quietly in the background.

The right striker signing (see how we played vs Brighton….) could be massive for us and is an exciting proposition.

Not getting one in means we will struggle again and would be so disheartening for the fans.

Neil Copeland
206 Posted 23/07/2023 at 08:54:48
Kieran 208, ha ha, I conveniently missed out the details and yes we probably would have. Results aside, it was still a great trip and well worth it to meet up!

I think we will be okay this season as long as we get at least a striker in. A couple of others would be a bonus. Dyche will have them fit, no doubt about that and will not tolerate any bullshit from them.

David Bromwell
207 Posted 23/07/2023 at 09:17:42
Mike 205, brilliant summing up of Ben Godfrey, who has clearly gone backwards since he arrived.

Difficult to understand why we continue to play him at left-back. He is undoubtably quick and brave, but not sure that's enough for a regular spot. Yet another player to add to the long list of those that we need to move on?

Michael Kenrick
208 Posted 23/07/2023 at 09:47:53
Steve @200,

Sorry to point this out but Maupay won't be released – that just never happens when these vastly over-paid wasters still have 2 years of a super-generous Kenwright-negotiated contract to sit on.

At best, we might find someone to take him on loan with subsidised wages. What a thoroughly gut-wrenching 'legacy' we have been left with.

Steve Cotton
209 Posted 23/07/2023 at 10:27:03
Why not play Tom Cannon? If we are letting him go on loan, we must have a centre-forward agreed.. not Danjuma by the way.

Maupay clearly not capable; Calvert-Lewin clearly not fit.

3 weeks and counting...


Jeff Armstrong
210 Posted 23/07/2023 at 10:30:06
Steve @209,

Cannon is injured.

Danny O’Neill
211 Posted 23/07/2023 at 10:53:20
As Jeff says, Cannon is injured.

I haven't seen enough of him to make judgement.

Probably best to rely on those who have?

Si Pulford
213 Posted 23/07/2023 at 13:32:56

I think they believe Cannon isn't ready, hence the loan. Hopefully it's a sign that they've got a few irons in the fire.

Be a disgrace if we loan him out and don't sign anyone, I'll agree with that.

I'm hoping they've learned lessons.


Steve Cotton
214 Posted 23/07/2023 at 15:14:36

Cannon might not be ready but the alternative is Maupay...

Like many on here, we are concerned that the club will wait until deadline day and once again play musical chairs with what's left.

That's unacceptable for a club the stature of Everton...

Maybe we don't have any money, or just enough to pay the former directors enough to never have to work again.

I may be wrong but we also need an attacking midfielder and another centre-back.

It looks like the interest in about 5 of the Leeds team was all paper talk...

Finally, how about someone from the club putting out some form of a statement giving us a clue as to the direction the club is talking? Freebies and loans are a sign of a club with serious issues...

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