Chermiti signing finallly completed

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The protracted signing of 19-year-old Sporting forward Youssef Chermiti was finally completed today in an initial €15m deal that runs through the next four years to 2027. 

Much of the delay in completing his signing has been put down to bureaucratic issues related to securing his work permit, rather than the oft-mooted failure to agree terms either with the player or between the clubs involved in the transaction. 

Everton were said to be 'rushing' today to secure his registration with the Premier League in time for tomorrow's game against Fulham but the likelihood that he would play is vanishingly small. 

He has been given the Number 28 shirt last worn by Cenk Tosun. He gave his reaction to the move in an interview with the official Everton website:

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“It’s a big move for me. Joining Everton is a new beginning, a new page and I’m very happy to be here. It is a beautiful city and a beautiful club,” Chermiti said.

“I’m looking forward to meeting the fans, my new teammates and to get to work with the coach. I want to embrace everything about the Club. I hope the fans will like me and I want to show them what I am capable of.

“Everton is a big club. A lot of legends have played here. I couldn’t turn down this opportunity.”

Though only a year into his professional career, Chermiti is regarded as a hot prospect by many observers in his native country. He broke into Sporting's senior squad last season and played 22 times, scoring three goals.

While Everton's Director of Football, Kevin Thelwell, is believed to be pursuing additional attacking targets, he had made Chermiti a priority after a move for El Bilal Toure fell through last month, the forward opting to sign instead for Atalanta in Italy from Spanish side Almeria. 


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Anthony Flack
1 Posted 11/08/2023 at 10:32:05
Signed just announced!!!
John Raftery
2 Posted 11/08/2023 at 10:32:09
Signing announced. End of fretting by the doubting Thomases.
Rob Halligan
3 Posted 11/08/2023 at 10:37:59
John, there’s some on here who no doubt still think he’s missed his flight from Portugal, and still awaiting his medical.
John Keating
4 Posted 11/08/2023 at 10:51:22
Brendan McLaughlin
5 Posted 11/08/2023 at 10:52:43
So despite many posts to the contrary... it appears that we do have money to spend on transfers and there are players out there who are willing to join us.
Gary Brown
6 Posted 11/08/2023 at 11:00:14
Dour Dyches immediate comments laced with:

“Mindful of age”

Fearing we have Thelwell doing right thing with signings like this and Dyche determined that people like Young are safer. The old “one for uou, one for me” we saw in Koeman and Walsh days.

Hope the kid succeeds, suspect Dyche will treat him like he has Simms and Cannon. Few token bench appearances and loaned out by January or next summer for “experience”.

Steve Brown
7 Posted 11/08/2023 at 11:13:11
Gary, we didn’t pay £15 million for Simms and Cannon.

Rather than criticise Dyche for potentially not picking young players, perhaps wait and see what he actually does.

Gary Brown
8 Posted 11/08/2023 at 11:45:50
I can see what he does, Steve….. he ignores youth. 69th out of 69 managers (who've played more than 100 Premier League games) in minutes given to U23s. Bottom of the lot.

His comments today suggest why…..he doesn't think they're mentally ready. Arteta (top) suggests otherwise.

Not sure what his price tag has to do with price of fish.

He's the right manager for this moment in time, but not to build a team that will challenge at the right end anytime soon. Hope the club move on Maupay to leave him no choice but to give the kid a go, but he'll just put a winger there instead. Like he did last season too.

John Raftery
9 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:01:57
What the lad does on the pitch will determine how Dyche chooses to use him. The manager's comments are designed simply to lift any immediate pressure on the player and manage fans' expectations.

Some fans have already looked at Chermiti's goal scoring record as an indication he will not be up to Premier League standard.

Yet Cristiano Ronaldo arrived at Manchester United with a record of only three goals in twenty five first team appearances for Sporting.

Ian Jones
10 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:11:35
Never having seen him play, Championship player at best.


Lee Courtliff
11 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:20:53
Good luck to him.
Dean Johnson
12 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:22:15
Mark Murphy
13 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:25:06
Let’s hope he chips in with the odd Chermittant goal…
Brent Stephens
14 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:26:26
Nice one, Ian. Naughty but nice.

Did I read others saying he’d never sign, typical Everton etc?!

Dan Nulty
15 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:27:26
Let's be patient! More signings to come hopefully!
Mike Allison
16 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:29:07
So that’s Ellis Simms replaced.
Dale Self
17 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:29:30
I thought the pressers that Dyche did makes clear Thelwell and he are of the same mind regarding transfers and development. I cannot even think of a sideways comment by Dyche other than to say the market was weird.

And Mike, it is common knowledge this is the Rondon replacement.

Sam Hoare
18 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:29:35
Not £15m according to Athletic. It’s £11m (paid in installments) with £2m in add-ons if he does well and 10% of any profit we make from him.

I think that’s a pretty good deal for a young talent.

He’s 6ft 4 with a bit of pace but not rapid. He’s decent in the air and can link play well well with his back to goal. He can look a bit scruffy with his long levers and is not the cleanest striker of the ball but seems to have decent movement. He’s skillful enough though his decision making needs work.

He’s something like a mix between Adebayor and DCL.

He will need time to adapt and develop and we probably won’t see the best of him for a few years.

But he’s a great fit for how Dyche wants to play and has the potential to be a £40m striker if all goes well. Let’s try and be patient, he’ll probably look terrible at times this season but hopefully manage the odd goal if called upon.

John Hall
19 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:31:29
This is a very young guy. No great scoring record but then again would he be signing for us if he was scoring loads. I have watched the you tube videos which are misleading sometimes but he has quick feet and can head a ball so that has to be an improvement on the midget we currently have up front. Give him a chance to settle in and don't expect miracles from day one. Championship player he may be as suggested on here. I have never seen a championship player do what he has shown he can do on the you tube clips. In Dyche we must trust after all he kept us up when we all thought we were done.
Dan Nulty
20 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:31:32
If you want a laugh, have a look at all the kopites fawning over signing Caicedo this morning, to just be told he has said he will only move to Chelsea!
Barry Hesketh
21 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:34:47
Dan @12
I was rather hoping they'd buy him and he'd turn out to be the most expensive dud in the history of the game. If he goes to Chelsea, I imagine that's probably likely to happen, and the other lot will rescue him for half-price and make him der bestest player in der world ever.

The fees for some players is reaching ridiculous proportions.

John Wignall
22 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:38:21
Good signing small fee for the player plus young just give him a chance
Ben King
23 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:50:49
Good news. Let’s hope he does well

I think we’ll need him for this season.

Jamie Crowley
24 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:51:22

I don't know much about this kid, but like the look of him (as if that meant anything).

He's surely the back-up to Calvert-Lewin? I mean, c'mon… Maupay?

Good luck, young man.

Paul Tran
25 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:58:19
Don't know anything about this kid, but like with any 19-year -old new to the UK and Premier League, he needs patience from us when he does play. Regardless of how much he's being paid, he'll need time to settle into league and country. Some take to it straight away, and many good ones need a season.

I'd just love it if he came straight into the team and looked great straigh taway. We're due one like that!

Steve Brown
26 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:59:02
Welcome to Everton, Youssef!

Niall McIlhone
27 Posted 11/08/2023 at 12:59:57
Welcome Youssef.

On another topic, I see Andros Townsend, a free agent, has not been given a contract by Burnley, who he had done pre-season training with.

I feel we should have retained Townsend on a moderate, short-term contract as he is a decent player who offers a goal return also. Good luck to him in finding another club.

Jack Convery
29 Posted 11/08/2023 at 13:01:52
I remember a young 19-year-old coming down from Scotland, that nobody had ever heard of and he did okay. More than okay actually. He became a legend for what he did on the pitch.

If this lad does even half as much, on the pitch, as a certain Graeme Sharp, he will do for me. Welcome, or should I say, Bem Vindo Chermiti.

Just seen that Konyaspor have released Morgan Schneiderlin, 9 days after signing him on a free from Nice. That must be some sort of record. Maybe he took the piss during training!! We couldn't, could we??

Frank Crewe
30 Posted 11/08/2023 at 13:07:58
It's easy to introduce young players into sides that are full of top players. Those players can carry them until they find their feet. Look at Foden. He's still a bit player at Man City yet he would be a regular at Everton. Mount at Chelsea the same.

The problem is we don't have a side full of top players so using young players is a big risk for the manager. We have Onana, McNeill Patterson, Branthwaite, Garner, Dobbin and now this lad – all 23 or less, in or around the first team and maybe with more to come if the rumours are correct. So to say Dyche is ignoring young players is a stretch, to say the least.

I think right now we need to consolidate our position in the PL until we move into the new ground. After that is achieved maybe Dyche can consider using even more young players. But for right now we need a decent start to the season so he can't afford to get carried away.

Paul Tran
31 Posted 11/08/2023 at 13:13:46
Good point Jack. I also remember plenty of people having doubts about young Sharp. We persevered with him and he turned out to be a great striker. That patience will be necessary here too.
Steve Brown
32 Posted 11/08/2023 at 13:14:03
Gary, if you can see what Dyche does with young players at Everton, then you must be telepathic.
Sean Roe
33 Posted 11/08/2023 at 13:15:35
Excellent! Now get somebody in who is going to score some goals this season to keep us up.
Steve Shave
35 Posted 11/08/2023 at 13:23:06

I also read that about Schneiderlin's contract. It all went downhill for him after Southampton didn't it. He was certainly a stain on our recruitment history, not the worst signing under Moshiri but up there with Tosun somewhere.

Danny O’Neill
36 Posted 11/08/2023 at 13:44:44
Welcome to Everton, young man.

Let's not forget he's 19 years old and moving to a foreign country.

And more importantly, it's the first game of the season tomorrow.

I'm not sure I will sleep. Poor dogs.

Tony Everan
37 Posted 11/08/2023 at 14:09:48
He’s 19, 6 months younger but same age as Willy Gnonto who has made a big impression, even getting some games for Italy. So no reason this lad can’t work hard and get himself into the side. It doesn’t matter whether your 19 or 38 you’ve still got to give the manager a reason for picking you and keeping your place.

From the snippets I’ve seen his game may well be suited to the Premier League, but need to see more to have any sort of worthwhile opinion. He will likely need more strength in his core to deal with the physical stuff, but that will come.

It’s unusual to see a 6ft 4” Portugal striker who has some technical ability too, I can’t remember any others. If he has the resilience and mental strength to overcome the physical challenge he will be a good signing. Thelwell has scouted him for a while and rates him highly, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

Welcome and good luck Youssef.

Kunal Desai
38 Posted 11/08/2023 at 14:12:39
Long term replacement for DCL. Hopefully he'll be ready to step up in 18 months time or so once he's aclimatised to the premier league.

Probably the type of signing we should have been making in years gone by. A £10 million plus investment for potential with a view to making that back and more in a few years

Mike Corcoran
39 Posted 11/08/2023 at 14:30:42
Chermitti Mitti Bang Bang
Dale Self
40 Posted 11/08/2023 at 14:33:34
Here is Dyche’s stance on the Chermiti acquisition: “ …young player of course who can add a different layer and a different dimension to rebuilding or adding to the squad. ”

We are still in for more ready to go candidates on the frontline. This one is for the future and for a different look to what we have set up in the past.

Si Pulford
41 Posted 11/08/2023 at 14:36:08
Dyche gave a lot of minutes to young players last season and but for injuries to Garner and Patterson would undoubtedly have given more.
Michael Burke
42 Posted 11/08/2023 at 14:43:34
Gary #8, context is everything. Arteta's numbers have swelled this year in this statistic because he had: Saka, Martinelli, Saliba playing every minute of every game. When you are consistently fighting for your survival, Burnley's estimated finishing position based on wages was consistently 17/18th I can understand why you may look for experience first. I don't agree with this, but it isn't my job and future on the line. Imagine him getting relegated with an inexperienced, young squad. He'd be hammered for not using experienced players. Can't win either way!!!!
Ian Jones
43 Posted 11/08/2023 at 14:47:45
Brent @14

I was going to say League 1 at best but thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt..

And yes, apparently, there were some who doubted he'd sign for us.

General comment re signings...other clubs also have issues getting players to sign with some transfers taking ages not just us. It's just that we don't tend to take much interest in the miniscule details of other clubs.

However, I like what Brighton do, buy low, sell high...

Bob Parrington
44 Posted 11/08/2023 at 14:51:39
TGIF - Thank God It's Friday for those uninitiated! Great signing. OK he's young but better young than ancient. Good profile, some first grade experience in Portugal.

New blood in to the side! Welcome Yourself in to the Everton community!

Gary Brown
45 Posted 11/08/2023 at 14:52:49
Micheal -@ 42 - context is an excuse for avoiding an unavoidable fact based on a MASS of data. He doesn’t like kids.

Arteta has a much bigger squad at Arsenal and could buy and play players of any age he wants. He wants to play the youngsters and his gamble is far easily as big as Dyche. If he didn’t give kids a go at threadbare Burnley he won’t anywhere.

Stop trying to change facts. Argue he’s a good manager…..fine. But to ignore such facts as 69th out of 69 is simply ignorant.

Dale Self
46 Posted 11/08/2023 at 15:00:58
I think Burnley’s expected table position drove Dyche’s conservative use of youth. In an environment that is emphasizing a turnaround and thus promotion of player asset values he is likely to rotate and buildup the young ones responsibly for them and us.
Stuart Sharp
47 Posted 11/08/2023 at 15:04:14
I think Dyche is just pragmatic. He will play young lads if they are the best available for the job. That's why he played Garner and Patterson. Hopefully his decisions aren't based on youth per se. It's the same with style of football - I don't think he's wedded to one style like some suggest. He plays what he thinks is the most effective option with the squad available. He's not a risk taker, which some like and some don't. My only real beef last year was him picking Maupay over Simms, but I doubt that was just about age.
Nicolas Piñon
48 Posted 11/08/2023 at 15:12:02
what a great way of getting into the office reading this, this is some news finally!
fuck I'd like to be tommorow at goodison with the gang!!
thats the same number Cristiano Ronaldo used when he began at Sporting Lisbon.
Thats a choice..
Robert Williams
49 Posted 11/08/2023 at 15:21:13
I am getting really exited by our acquisition(s). It looks as tho' we are putting together a team of talented youngsters and a mix of old heads and experience that bodes well for the next 3/4 years. However it is imperative that we keep hold of Onana - after seeing him in action against Sporting he certainly looks to have moved up a gear from last season. We have plenty of less quality player available to transfer and recoup some funds without selling our best young talent. Roll on Saturday COYBs
Steve Brown
50 Posted 11/08/2023 at 15:26:45
Michael @ 42, apparently there is no contextual difference between managing a top 6 team and a bottom 6 team.

The fact that Arsenal have a much bigger Academy and their catchment area is Greater London compared to Burnley, Blackburn and Clitheroe is also irrelevant.

The signing of Chermiti (19 yo) and hopefully Gnonto (19 yo)/Ekitike (21 yo) is a plan from the DoF to spend our transfer meagre budget on young players that the manager won’t play. Bad news also for Branthwaite, Patterson, Onana, Garner and McNeil (average age 21.6 months) as this manager won’t give kids a chance.

These are the hard facts apparently.

Paul Kossoff
52 Posted 11/08/2023 at 15:34:13
News on Hugo Ekitike

Everton appear to have been handed a significant transfer boost in their pursuit of PSG striker Hugo Ekitike amid Borussia Dortmund links.

According to German media outlet Waz (11 August), the Frenchman refused to join the German side and even they are unwilling to spend big money on a striker.

The Toffees, per Foot 01 on 10 August, had made a bid for the 21-year-old and it was accepted by the Ligue 1 champions as well.
This is most certainly a boost for the Toffees as they’ve already shown the money PSG want and it’s now down to the striker.

It seems Dortmund do not have the funds or do not want to spend them on Ekitike and his wages and this is an ideal scenario for Everton.

Michael Kenrick
53 Posted 11/08/2023 at 15:34:40
Trying to recall if Number 28 was worn by Tom Cannon in the pre-season friendly against Stade Nyonnais?

Or did he wear his old Number 47?

No, nevermind… I was wrong: he wore No 47.

Si Pulford
54 Posted 11/08/2023 at 15:37:11
Steve, you're spot on.

He may be 69th out of 69, Gary, but he's only done 5 months… in a relegation battle… wwith most of the squad injured. Some of these things don't appear in stats.

Like I said earlier, he didn't have Garner or Patterson available for most of his tenure but played them both when fit. Maybe if he could have picked them more often, he wouldn't be 69th?

We actually go into the season with a lot of young players so either Dyche doesn't hate kids or Gary from ToffeeWeb is right?!!

Gary Brown
55 Posted 11/08/2023 at 15:44:35
Si - the stats include the games at Burnley. It’s like arguing with flat earthers. The facts are facts. Ignoring facts isn’t an opinion, it is ignorance.
Paul Kossoff
56 Posted 11/08/2023 at 15:59:59
Kunia 38.

"Long term replacement for Calvert-Lewin. Hopefully he'll be ready to step up in 18 months time or so once he's aclimatised to the premier league."

That's great. He should be ready to start our second season in the Championship then.

Mark Murphy
57 Posted 11/08/2023 at 16:31:12
Robert I'm a happy clapper but I was excited by the signings of Moise Kean and Nkounkou! Let's hope we use these new young signings better than we used them.


Brent Stephens
58 Posted 11/08/2023 at 16:41:45
Mike #39

"Chermitti Mitti Bang Bang"!

I had a good chuckle at that! Brought back memories of a lady of the night in Thailand.

Danny Baily
59 Posted 11/08/2023 at 16:41:48
Great signing. One more addition up top and the squad is starting to look well balanced.
Jay Harris
60 Posted 11/08/2023 at 16:51:33

While I think statistics are useful you can use them in any argument but personally I prefer to see with my eyes and for me Dyche has improved the performance and shape of the team.

While his decisions to constantly play Maupay, Keane and Godfrey leave him open to criticism, I would not agree that he doesn't play younger players.

Dan Brierley
61 Posted 11/08/2023 at 16:53:51
Gary Brown, I wouldn't say that Dyche is against young players. He seems to be a bit like Moyes, in that he values consistency and work ethic.

Obviously younger players generally don't fit into that category. Dyche's mission is to get us to mid-table. Developing youth players is more of something nice to have on that journey.

Michael Burke
62 Posted 11/08/2023 at 16:57:47
Gary, I'm not disagreeing with you. It isn't great that he's bottom of that statistical league. But to ignore context is just as short sighted.
Andrew Keatley
63 Posted 11/08/2023 at 17:19:36
Gary Brown (various) - You have an entrenched view and you are not listening to other arguments. It's pretty boring. You've got your solitary fact that you are clinging to (69th out of 69, people!) and you're not interested in any other data.

If you don't have the assets then you cannot play them. Everton have several very decent young players, and Dyche has played them. If we also had Saka and Martinelli in our squad then Dyche would play them. It's about what is available to you.

At Burnley, the young players of requisite quality just were not there, and it would have been reckless and irresponsible to risk them if they had been assessed as not ready. You can only work with what you have.

Stuart Sharp
64 Posted 11/08/2023 at 17:29:04
Gary, your 'facts' are actually 'stats'. Like all stats, they require interpretation. Which you are refusing to do.

It's ironic that you are comparing those of us doing some interpretation with flat-earthers because the person with the most entrenched view here seems to be you.

Tony Waring
65 Posted 11/08/2023 at 17:33:20
Anybody know what nationality he is? His name cerainly is not Portuguese.
Steve Shave
66 Posted 11/08/2023 at 17:35:09
Tony, his family are originally from Algeria. He still has the option to play for Algeria in the future.
Mike Gaynes
67 Posted 11/08/2023 at 17:38:59
Welcome, young man! Lots of goals left in that number 28 shirt.

Any truth to the legend that when Dyche played at Millwall he wore #69 out of 69?

Mike Corcoran
68 Posted 11/08/2023 at 17:40:47
Necks getting very wound out on here. Isn't it a bit pointless trying to guess whether Dyche plays him or not. Let's just wait and see.

His value won't grow stuck with the U21s though.

Mike Corcoran
69 Posted 11/08/2023 at 17:42:24
He might be 69th out of 69 but I'll take 17th or better out of 20 this season.
Brent Stephens
70 Posted 11/08/2023 at 17:49:37
Mike #69. Very appropriate!
Gary Brown
71 Posted 11/08/2023 at 17:59:44
I'd take that this season, Mike, and Dyche is the man to do it.

I'd just like a better future too, and he isn't.

Tony Abrahams
72 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:00:13
Every manager would surely love to have young players with the ability of Saka, Smith Rowe and Martinelli, so good luck to Arteta and Arsenal this season.

Everton's squad was the 11th highest when it came to average age, but would have surely been relegated if they hadn't swapped the very inexperienced Lampard, for the experience of Dyche?

Not facts, just my opinion, but hopefully Dyche and Thelwell are on the same page, because this has got to be a lot more important than arguing about a player's age.

It's a long time since everyone pulled in the same direction with regards to Everton, and this is why anyone under the age of 30 (I'm always conservative) will never have seen the once mighty Everton, win a cup.

Gary Brown
73 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:03:20

You confuse statistical modelling with cold hard data taken across a very broad sample of over 100 games. By your “it's all statistical and opinion” logic, no scientific data ever is admissible.

Your argument is akin to arguing demographics in a census… just utterly bizarre. Suck it up and accept it.

Dale Self
74 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:03:55
On a light note when asked about future activity by a journo Dyche responded essentially when it’s all done you’ll be the last to know. The interviews will be good.

Gary, some of us have stat backgrounds so please don’t go over the top on definitions and standards. It’s early in the season man.

Gary Brown
75 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:06:26
Andrew - my “solitary fact” is based on a huge amount of data and directly related to “does he like kids”. It’s entrenched I yours (and various others) views because acknowledging simple facts that are counter to your personal wishes are contrary to your ego. Problem with internet and todays political debates = dig yourself in, our fingers in ears and igjore FACTS
Gary Brown
76 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:10:22
Dan @ 61 – the only fair “counter” I've seen. You accept the fact is a fact and try to explain it. I think your explanation is incorrect (personally I just think he's of opinion maturity comes later.

With a kid of 19, I can respect that too…….but both my explanation and yours are conjecture. The fact is, he doesn't play them as much as any other regular manager.

Gary Brown
77 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:12:38
Jay Harris - fair comment too. I agree he improves players, my point is he doesn't give youth a chance often. Bottom of all managers who've had 100+ games.

One doesn't have to disprove the other, it's a shame so many entrenched think it does.

Dale Self
78 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:15:37
Gary, can I concede your point and offer a countering view on Dyche? I am not trying to cut anyone out of their say, you may end up being right.

My view is that after what he has done it is somewhat disrespectful to criticize now for future possible sins. This is even if you've got central limit theorem statistical certainty of your claim.

Gary Brown
79 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:15:55
Dale - it's a bit arrogant to warn others have stats background whilst ignoring an undeniable trend. Sure, statistical deviations occur on huge samples, but by 2 deviation points he's still bottom 5.

How many deviations would you like to keep head in sand on simple and undeniable conclusions?

Gary Brown
80 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:22:52
Dale - it's Sky Sports data. He did well to keep us up. He's the right man for the job of doing it again (I find it bizarre some can't separate that opinion).

I just think that in the long run, if he isn't forced to take a chance or gamble, we'll break even over next 5 years and continue to struggle.

Personally I'd like a manager who takes a gamble on youth – à la Ajax, Atlanta, RB Leipzig, BVB, Frankfurt, Lens, dozens of others. Surely I am entitled to that view without being attacked by the “Dyche is the messiah, how dare you point out facts” brigade?

Scott Montgomery
81 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:23:00
Jesus Gary, you're channeling your inner Sheldon Cooper there mate. We get it, the statistics indicate he likes to play experienced players.

You could be right, but if he and Thelwell are on the same page regarding transfers, it would make the decision to spend money on a 19-year-old completely illogical.

Andy Crooks
82 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:23:37
Gary, your fact is indesputable. I would argue that he has never been in a give youth a chance situation but, I would also add, I only take into account facts that endorse my opinion!
Tony Everan
83 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:26:51
Mike, Brent, on the musicals theme,

Cherm Chermiti, Cherm Chermiti, Cherm Cherm Cheroo
You've scored once, now give us two ….

Gary Brown
84 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:27:00
Scott - it’s a big “if” and my fear is not.
Gary Brown
85 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:29:31
Thank you, Andy.

Personally I feel that if you ain't giving youth a chance at smaller clubs or on smaller budgets, you simply never will. But that's opinion and differences they're good with me.

Andy Crooks
86 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:33:43
Tony, @83, if Kenwright should ever read ToffeeWeb, you are on your way to the west end.

Don't sell out, though, turn it all down.

Dale Self
87 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:36:23
Gary, you are kind of going right past what I said to get to the long run. Your preferences are reasonable and honestly I had other candidates in mind throughout the near full circling of the drain. The Ajax, Atalanta and other models are absolutely where we would like to be but that requires a complete apparatus of professionals that we've only just begun to attract.

Uncomfortably, I will declare that a time will come when we have enough in place to go for one of the young great minds in the game. I will likely be one who will say Dyche deserves to stay as long as results are acceptable. In this sense, you are right just way too early in my easily discounted opinion.

Mike Corcoran
88 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:38:50
Stats this, stats that… to play youngsters, you have to have them, and of high quality, available to you within your club.

Maybe that's where Burnley and to a lesser extent Everton fall down.

Stephen Jones
89 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:39:26
Tony 38 the last tall forward to play for Portugal actually played at Goodison Park in the 1966 World Cup.

He was the partner for the superb Eusebio and his name was Torres and he was very tall and gangly.

Mike Corcoran
90 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:41:59
Chermiti pick a pocket or two, boy,
Chermiti pick a pocket or two.
Deborah Maria
91 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:47:31
Surely playing youth is a luxury afforded by success… so, as Dyche has spent his managerial career at the wrong end of the table, he can't afford to play youth. Hopefully that will change over the next couple of seasons.
Stuart Sharp
92 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:52:20
Gary 73,

I do not confuse those things at all. I use statistics and modelling every day of my working life. Only today, I was teaching statistics. Fortunately, my students appreciate the importance of context and interpretation better than you.

As for what you call my “it's all statistical and opinion” logic, I offered no such thing. I was merely pointing out that even 'facts' often require qualification and interpretation.

Like I say, I'm a scientist, so I am fully aware how scientific evidence works, and few things are rarely 'proven' by 'facts'. Usually there's just evidence for, and evidence against.

So, perhaps avoid telling strangers to 'suck it up' when you are, in fact, full of shit.

Dale Self
93 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:55:37
I tried to give notice Gary.
Tony Everan
94 Posted 11/08/2023 at 18:57:55
Stephen 89, thank you for that reference. Having a read up about Jose Torres, ‘O Bom Gigante‘ (the kind giant). Similar to Youssef in height at 6ft-3in. What a great career the man had, playing up to the age of 42.

“21 seasons in the competition he amassed totals of 374 games and 217 goals, surpassing the 200 mark for Benfica alone.”

Ian Jones
95 Posted 11/08/2023 at 19:09:21
I just hope the new guy doesn't get isolated playing the lone forward role or disappear in games otherwise he may end up getting called Chermiti The Hermit.

Something tells me we're into something good with Chermiti.

Ian Jones
96 Posted 11/08/2023 at 19:16:21
Also, on a completely separate subject. Wonder why some words associated with Everton are linked with apples:

Pink Lady – using that to refer to the women's team.

There seems to be a core theme...

Perhaps we should get sponsorship from Apple?

Paul Ferry
97 Posted 11/08/2023 at 19:23:02
Brendan McLaughlin 5: “So despite many posts to the contrary... it appears that we do have money to spend on transfers and there are players out there who are willing to join us”.

Steady on a little Brendan: the fee is hardly on the larger side and we have a teenager who is relatively unknown. It's the smattering of one-upmanship that rankles.

I wish him all the luck in the world and hope that he is a great success and there are signs online and in what he says here to give us some confidence.

I'm a tad worried if this did come from Dyche's mouth: “this one is for the future”.

The pressing issue is now, the present, today, tomorrow, next week etc. I'm not getting bogged down in the Dyche/youth back and forth, but I do hope that Youssef does get enough first-team time to make a case for himself.

We need new and current players who will work hard to make sure that we do not hover over and under the drop zone this season. We need one or two more and I wish that we already had them. We don't right now but I still see grounds to feel that we will not struggle as we did last season under this manager.

Nick White
98 Posted 11/08/2023 at 19:28:12
Great to get this signing done even if he is one for the future. I liked his header against Porto on the highlights video I watched on YouTube.
Jack Convery
99 Posted 11/08/2023 at 19:42:50
Ian @95 - No one will get that you know unless they have a lovely daughter or no milk today. Maybe if you had begun with Listen People you would not be getting a Kind of Hush, apart from me that is.

Ian @96 - As regards your Apple theory. Remember some apples have a worm in them that makes them rot from the core, so you may well be right.

Colin Glassar
100 Posted 11/08/2023 at 19:46:45
About time. Let’s see if he’s got anything about him.
Tony Abrahams
101 Posted 11/08/2023 at 19:53:40
I think you have got to learn to breathe before you can do things like that in the big league, Gary @85.

I know you could argue that Dyche had 7 years to breathe but I think he gave Burnley massive foundations and believe that Kompany would have been helped massively by going into such a stable club that Dyche had helped to create.

I would love Everton to start concentrating on younger players; I think only winning trophies would give me more pleasure but the Premier League is a brutal league so kids have got to be ready.

Silva finished his first season with 8 clean sheets in 11 games and didn't need young players like Moise Kean, imo. I personally thought this changing of direction should have come a little bit later but I'm aware it's all about having different opinions.

I know we got our money back on Lookman and Vlassic but it still saddens me that only Calvert-Lewin has really made the grade at Everton out of the very good batch of young players that we had when Martinez was sacked. I personally believe things would have been much different for a few of those players if we had been a more stable football club instead of becoming the most dysfunctional club in the big league.

I agree, we need to start concentrating on youth but I believe that, more than anything, the club needs stability right now.p>

One for the future does make me worry about the DoF model once again, Paul F.

Oliver Molloy
102 Posted 11/08/2023 at 20:21:54
Let's all hope he settles well and can contribute to the team – if he produces, it's a win-win for all.

Nigel Munford
103 Posted 11/08/2023 at 20:43:49
As for Herman’s Hermits, lead singers name was Peter, so should have been Peter’s Hermits.
Ian Jones
104 Posted 11/08/2023 at 21:24:40
Jack @99, nicely put :)
Hugh Jenkins
105 Posted 11/08/2023 at 21:31:56
Ian (96), perhaps we could get Apple to buy us. At the latest Dow Jones closure they were worth, $2.78 trillion.
Brendan McLaughlin
107 Posted 11/08/2023 at 21:38:36
Paul #97,

Not so much "one-upmanship" on my part... more a huge sigh of relief that things may not be as dire as some rush to predict.

Brent Stephens
108 Posted 11/08/2023 at 21:39:28
Ian #96. Didn’t we buy Bramley from Peel Holdings?
Julian Wait
109 Posted 11/08/2023 at 21:45:05
@Brent #108 - you pipped me to that one
John Keating
110 Posted 11/08/2023 at 21:45:20
I appreciate we've signed a guy who's joining us getting a pension.

We've signed a guy who fucked us over and didn't want to know us.

We've now signed a guy who can play in our Under-18s.

However, given the idiots running the club, it does appear we don't have to sell – so far – our main guys?

Robert Tressell
111 Posted 11/08/2023 at 21:46:32
Tony # 101,

When we had a stable team under Silva, I thought it was exactly the right time to bring in very high-quality younger players who we could develop and introduce into the team. We didn't have the money to really kick on from an 8th-place team at that stage – but we could have hovered around that level for 2 to 3 seasons while introducing some players with genuine Champions League class potential. An opportunity missed.

As for Chermiti, he has only started 9 league games and only 1 again opposition of any calibre (Porto – against whom he scored). The other games he started were against teams much, much weaker than Sporting. It's a completely different kettle of fish for him at Everton where every single game is a battle and only the three promoted clubs are not quite at our level (and even then the gap isn't huge).

So, as much as I'd like to see plenty of him, it'll be no surprise if the introduction is slow. As I said in previous threads, Sporting Lisbon obviously don't yet consider him a regular starter for them – and have turned to a more mature Championship striker in Gyökeres to lead their line.

Brent Stephens
112 Posted 11/08/2023 at 21:52:48
Julian, pithy comments aren’t appropriate - we’re talking about apples.
Tony Abrahams
113 Posted 11/08/2023 at 21:57:06
I think it's dire being stuck with Moshiri and Kenwright, Brendan. Nothing seems to be happening with MSP, and I was getting told today that they keep changing the price on another American investment group (not 777) regarding the full sale of Everton.

Something's wrong, something's not quite right, but maybe it's just me because I'm not prepared to say anything good about chairman Bill, or our owner Farhad, who I believe has been tied in knots.

Brendan McLaughlin
114 Posted 11/08/2023 at 21:59:12
Ian #96

Wayne Rooney...allegedly partial to a Granny Smith.

Tony Everan
115 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:02:01
MSP, based in the Big Apple.
Brent Stephens
116 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:05:34
Brendan, but she was partial to cox, apparently.
Brendan McLaughlin
117 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:16:27
I know you do Tony #113

But I'm optimistic that things will improve at least on the football front with Sean D. in charge for a full season.

In terms of Blue Bill I wish it was otherwise but can't avoid feeling you'll have to be prepared for the long term in respect of your boycott.

Tony Abrahams
118 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:21:54
Robert we had only began to play like a stable team, after we got an eighteen day break, before we played bottom club Cardiff. The break worked, we kept eight clean sheets, in our last eleven matches and I'm sure we beat Arsenal, Chelsea and United towards the end of that season, but then Brands got it badly wrong imo, mate.

He signed a kid who wasn't quite ready for £27 million, but never replaced the pace of Kurt Zouma, which effectively killed Silva's pressing game tactics? It's all water under the bridge now, but it did show us that if the director of football and the manager are not on the same page, then whatever a club is trying to do, simply won't work, imo?

Neil Copeland
119 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:25:51
Brent 116, and had already blossomed a long time before
Brendan McLaughlin
120 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:29:52
Neil #119

Still a great set of pips...

Neil Copeland
121 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:32:50
Brent, and nice rosy look - a bit juicy in her day too
Robert Tressell
122 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:36:03
Tony, totally agree on need for manager and DoF to work together and see eye to eye (and owners too). I get the impression things aren't too bad in this respect right now with Thelwell and Dyche - probably out of necessity and, to some degree, some very hard learned lessons.

Sadly, one of those lessons was failing Silva (a good manager) very badly in the transfer market. Different ways to look at how it went wrong - but I do think Thelwell is going about it the right way this summer (hunting out a mix of quality, experience and potential at very low cost / very low initial outlay and with modest wage demands). That's got to be the right recipe for where we're at right now.

Robert Williams
123 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:37:10
MM57, Different manager Mark?
Tony Abrahams
124 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:43:51
I totally agree Brendan. If I thought for one minute that Bill Kenwright never had long left I would have just carried on going to Goodison Park, but I hate the lies and also believe (rightly or wrongly?) that Kenwright is still putting a few spanners in the works.

I am in a philosophical mood right now, I could talk football all night with certain posters, and the new season always makes me think of old faces and yesteryear, so I'm hoping George McKane, is in better health.

I know Andy isn't going to Goodison for the Wolves game, Brendan, so if you want the ticket just let us know mate, because I go away next week and will give it to somebody else if you can't make it.

Maybe you will want to come to Liverpool with your partner or someone else to watch Everton another time Brendan, and if this is the case just let me know and I will keep you a couple of tickets for another game.

Football is a brilliant sport, I've made countless mates over many years because of my love for both playing and watching the beautiful game, so at least I'm giving a little bit back thanks to Bill The Bastard, esquire.

Ian Jones
125 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:49:55
Apologies to everyone for starting the apple related posts.

I just hope Chermiti can apple-ly himself to being our striker.

Tony Abrahams
126 Posted 11/08/2023 at 22:56:08
I think if Thelwell can bring in the kid from Leeds, which I think will be helped after we sell Gray to Fulham, after we play them, and then shifts Holgate, and possibly Keane, and brings in another central defender, then brings in a couple of other forwards, it will have been a great window Robert!!

I keep thinking we might sell Onana, but with the price of midfielders in this window, I also half-agree with the poster who said that one good year and Onana, could be worth £100 million, so I’m not so sure Thelwell will sell now.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Dyche had a different idea though! We will see, and although it’s frustrating, it’s also apparent that Everton have got some very decent good young players in our ranks right now. I just wish we could get rid of the annoying fucking orange!!

Jay Harris
127 Posted 11/08/2023 at 23:00:11

According to media reports, they're not all on the same page.

It is being claimed that senior people at the club were unaware of any approach for Chermiti and there is consternation in the corridors of power.

Whether that alludes to Moshiri, Kenwright or both it doesn't say but the lad doesn't want to come anyway so Che Adams it is then …. sigh.

Brendan McLaughlin
128 Posted 11/08/2023 at 23:04:33
Apologies Tony #124

Give that ticket to someone.

Not in the best of health right now... nothing serious but I can't think about travelling for a bit.

I'd really like to go with Andy (not sure why) so I'll try to arrange something later in the year but will for sure take you up on your offer...

Keep the faith!

Tony Abrahams
129 Posted 11/08/2023 at 23:04:40
I think the way Dyche spoke today that him and Thelwell might even have a plan between themselves.

Dyche also said he didn't like talking about players at other clubs, but in his next sentence said Gnonto is a good player, even if he his only nineteen.

I hope both yours and also Andy's health improves alongside Everton's, Brendan!

Derek Thomas
130 Posted 11/08/2023 at 23:25:38
Get Kermit on!
Paul Ferry
132 Posted 12/08/2023 at 03:42:48
Hope you're back to your very best very soon Brendan M.
Duncan McDine
133 Posted 12/08/2023 at 06:36:08
We mustn't turnover or crumble today. A cameo from Calvert-Lewin could be instrumental. His tart will get some pork-in-cider tonight (too much?).
Ian Jones
134 Posted 12/08/2023 at 07:12:36
Duncan, to be fair, that's a little too much to stomach this early in the day! :)

Lattice hope we get a win today.

Paul Birmingham
135 Posted 12/08/2023 at 07:12:48
Great the lad has signed and he will hopefully be embraced by the squad, and will adapt quickly to the demands of the Premier League… No lazy players allowed with Sean Dyche.

I've no idea what's happening with any takeovers or partial stakes in Everton but people are saying that there will be an announcement in the next few days but it wont be MSP.

It's the hope that saps the mind but this squad will give its all for the Evertonians.


Eric Myles
136 Posted 12/08/2023 at 07:24:08
Duncan #133, we ll be okay if all the players appley themselves.
Tony Waring
137 Posted 12/08/2023 at 09:14:09
Stephen (89) I remember Torres. Wasn't he + others who contrived to kick Peele out of the game ?
Phil Owens
138 Posted 12/08/2023 at 10:18:09
I rarely post on here despite being a very long-time reader. However, Gary, 4, 6, 45, etc., you have pushed me to post. You keep mentioning the fact that Dyche is 69 out of 69, therefore, he doesn't like kids - FACT! Er, no. The 69 out of 69 is the fact. Your assumption that he doesn't like kids is just that, an assumption rather than a fact.

I know lots of people who work 9-5 5, days a week, so they must love work, no? Just because you have to do something doesn't mean you want or like doing it. I'm sure there are many things you have to do every week that you don't like or want to do, if not, I envy you. Context is everything, not an excuse.

Perhaps, just perhaps, Dyche has HAD to not play youngsters rather than not wanting to. Few people "know" why Dyche has played so few youngsters, and I suspect you are not one of them ;)

Anyhow, at least we all (most) agree that Dyche is the right manager for us at this time and wish him all the best for the season ahead.

Jason Li
139 Posted 12/08/2023 at 10:56:24
Good luck to Chermiti, great work by Dyche and Thelwell selling the club to the player, and whoever else in the recruitment team took park. Fantastic!

Like this transfer window observing Brighton, it looks like the club are bringing in players that are very high potential and not too raw but have proven reliable with a history of playing some professional football at a decent level already. Like Garner, Onana, Patterson, and now Chermiti. Even bringing back Virginia, Dobbin and Branthwaite on loan puts them in this category.

In development plan terms like any company onboarding plan, I see for the young players in the squad:
*Year one in the Premier League is about adapting and is not too difficult for very talented players with experience of playing top flight football,
*Year two is becoming a top Premier League player and is not a giant step for a very talented young player with two seasons in top flight professional football by then.

With this in mind, by the end of this season the regardless of the opponents, the team will be much better after the young very talented players improve, adapt, and find a way to do things a little bit better than they knew at the beginning of the season. Look at Onana (after a very shaky moments in the first few games last season) and McNeil.

My opinion, but I can see this team really improving and surprising a lot of people under our astute manager, especially with his record of developing a very young McNeil at Burnley and doing it again at Everton so that McNeil has become a top Premier League player.

Andrew Keatley
140 Posted 12/08/2023 at 13:01:20
Phil (138) - A very good point well-made. Please post more; we could do with more of the same.
Ashley Roberts
142 Posted 13/08/2023 at 20:55:52
I must admit, I do not understand paying £15M for someone for the future. We need a goalscorer now and that money would have been better spent on a player Dyche would play. Immediately.

We know Dyche prefers experience over youth as we have seen with Branthwaite etc, so the chances of Chermiti leading the attack anytime soon are slim to zero.

I think Dyche would have preferred Antonio from West Ham as he is older than 30 and has plenty of experience. I am beginning to really worry about the lack of quality recruitment and with no out-and-out goal scorer to fill in for Calvert-Lewin, we are going to struggle as evident from the result against a poor Fulham side yesterday.

At least I was optimistic last year that Frank could turn us around; I don't have the same confidence in Dyche who is pretty much one-dimensional in his tactics and likes to play his favourite players without giving youth a chance.

Danny Baily
143 Posted 13/08/2023 at 21:09:20
Ashley 142, he is a player for now. He might start every game but there's no reason he wouldn't be involved.
Mick O'Malley
144 Posted 15/08/2023 at 14:04:34
If we ever sign Antonio then I know we are finished as a club with ambition, he is terrible, such a clumsy footballer, a typical Dyche player, in his 30s, muscular with the touch of a baby elephant, I’d sooner rather s sign these young up and coming players who will only get better and possibly have a sell on value rather than a converted right back/winger who is coming to the end of his career, we can’t keep getting lumbered with other teams cast offs
Dale Self
145 Posted 15/08/2023 at 14:12:20
If we were to sign Antonio we could be competitive for a European place. He may be overpriced but even at 33 he is a force. I think he would make the final third a garden of goals for us.
Eric Myles
146 Posted 15/08/2023 at 14:44:45
Gary Brown, various.

I guess Dyche heard that you don't win anything with kids.

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