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Following a fan engagement meeting last month, the Everton Fan Advisory Board sent a total of 14 questions and key issues to 777 Partners last week. Chair Dave Kelly is hoping that 777 Partners will ‘review and respond at the earliest opportunity’.

The full list is below;

1) Please describe your overall value proposition in your pursuit of Everton Football Club (EFC). What are your strategic objectives over the next five years?

2) Can you provide assurances that all the necessary funding is in place for both the acquisition, and ongoing operating support?

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3) Who are 777’s other investment partners in your pursuit of EFC and in what form does that capital infusion take (Equity, Debt)?

4) Unlike previous transactions have you cleared a path with other EFC creditors (eg, Rights and Media Funding)?

5) Please provide an overview of any legal investigation, litigation, and sanctions, current or forecasted, impacting 777’s ability to function as a bona fide owner of EFC.

6) 777 Partners have spent around €800-900M acquiring stakes in seven clubs, currently, all those clubs are making a loss. What is your strategy to ensure EFC and its stadium become a healthy, growing business and do not follow the same path?

7) How will EFC operate within the 777 multi-club model? Are there concerns with potential regulatory interference with the practice from governing bodies? Furthermore, can 777 explain how it plans not to prioritise one club over another?

8) How confident are 777 of passing through the various regulatory approval requirements? This includes the Premier League’s “Owners and Directors’ Test” and those of the Football Association and the Financial Conduct Authority?

9) In August, Josh Wander spoke to the Financial Times and said, “We have a strong view that there’s a new wave of commercialisation coming to football.” Can you expand on this?

10) Can 777 commit to reorganising the EFC Board with highly qualified Football and commercially astute members, who can regain the trust of Evertonians, instil confidence in the fanbase and Club employees, and begin to repair the reputational damage of EFC?

11) What will be 777’s commitment to the Goodison Legacy Project? Do 777 recognise the new stadium completion is a catalyst for the North Liverpool Regeneration Project?

12) Do you commit to honouring all existing governance and engagement models with Fan groups as well as the reinstatement of AGMs [for shareholders]? In addition, can 777 commit to the appointment of two elected Fan members to the EFC Board?

13) Will 777 commit to ensuring Bramley-Moore Dock will remain an asset of EFC and will not be sold off, to be leased back by EFC?

14) Can you confirm that the EFC Women’s playing structure from Academy to first team will be fully funded and returned to its former top-flight position?


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Mark Ryan
1 Posted 09/10/2023 at 15:00:26
My only question would be:

"Can you reassure us that your plans do not include an honorary position for Bill Kenwright and that his time being employed in any capacity at Everton FC is at an end?"

Don Alexander
2 Posted 09/10/2023 at 15:22:54
All very worthy from a fan's point of view, but they're more likely to give us next week's winning lottery numbers than true answers.
Jay Harris
3 Posted 09/10/2023 at 16:52:20
Mark, he will have to be carried out kicking and screaming that he is the best Evertonian going and we have only had good times with him in the chair.
Will Mabon
4 Posted 09/10/2023 at 16:55:55
Don, I agree.

The intent is good but I think the response will be predictable.

A thoroughly true response might be a little disheartening.

Tony Everan
5 Posted 09/10/2023 at 17:25:01
The FAB should brace themselves for more generalisations, especially during the due diligence period. There may be more detail if they get approved as fit and proper owners, but I suspect there will be more questions than answers even then.

It should be remembered that 777 is the only game in town, the alternative looks like administration. So unless another suitor shows their hand after the independent commission sits on the 25th, we are the sickly weak whore who has no option but to accept the unwanted rogering from the wild-eyed, slobbering, half-drunk banker.

Barry Rathbone
6 Posted 09/10/2023 at 18:16:04
Surely there is only one question:

"Have you got £3 billion to spend on players after the millstone of stadium debts etc is sorted or should we just whistle?"

Barry Hesketh
7 Posted 09/10/2023 at 18:58:31
Tony @5,

I think that's the line that Moshiri wants us all to swallow: only one game in town, the alternative is unthinkable, etc. However, we don't and may never know if there are or have been any other serious potential buyers out there.

I'm not at all happy that 777 Partners are the buyers of choice for Moshiri, not merely because of their less-than-moral business practices, if we are to believe all that we read, but because I'm very uncomfortable seeing Everton as one of a group of clubs.

Everton may look to be the jewel in the crown of the 777 gang but will that prove to be true? What happens if say for example Juventus or another major club joins the fleet?

It will be very difficult for us as fans to judge 777 on their financial decisions involving Everton, and it seems to me, it will be a "rob Peter to pay Paul" existence – with 777 having involvement with both Peter and Paul, and Tom Dick and Harry too.

I can't imagine any of our former peers being involved in such a financial labyrinth, and if 777 are as bad as they are being painted, it won't help Everton's standing from a public relations point of view. However, if the alternative is administration, we'll have to learn to live with it, warts and all.

Tony Abrahams
8 Posted 09/10/2023 at 19:48:33
Kenwright has all but disappeared… but if 777 Partners purchase Everton, then I'm certain he will quietly be allowed stay at the club in some capacity, which might just be great for every single employee who has been chosen by nepotism.

The club needs to change from top to bottom and this might actually not be as difficult as it sounds, because it has already been ripped to shreds by the complete and thorough ineptitude of people without a genuine thought-out plan.

Whisper it quietly – Fuck Off, Kenwright… or scream it loudly – FUCK OFF, KENWRIGHT! I probably even say it in my sleep.

Tony Everan
9 Posted 09/10/2023 at 20:06:03
Barry, I'm concerned too, there is the reverse issue in the ladder of clubs as well.

What happens if say Vasco are going bust and Man City have made an offer of £75M for Branthwaite. Will that sale be pushed through to use some of the money to keep Vasco afloat, likely touted as a temporary loan that will be repaid?

I can see the benefits of the system but the potential negatives also need to be considered.

Mark Taylor
10 Posted 09/10/2023 at 21:03:30
Worthy questions and some good points made in the thread. But perhaps their question back to us right now is, if not us, who else, other than administration? That's not so easy to answer.

And so we fall back on the twin mantra, articulated by Mr Wander, of "effort and accountability". This sounds good. But effort is in the eye of the beholder and exactly who is 777 accountable to? It's not us, obviously. We just have to hope the aspirations of investors align with ours and, if they don't, that the modest influence we have in terms of protest can positively shift the dial.

As for Kenwright, I'm less concerned. 777 have enough on their plate without worrying much about him. If they sense he is not popular, it's an easy win to bin him, he's not important to them. Unless he has some undisclosed hold over them. Like a photo of Wander in bed with the same goat as Moshiri.

Tony Abrahams
11 Posted 09/10/2023 at 21:31:17
I'd say he might have some kind of hold on both Moshiri and Usmanov, Mark, and because 777 was not the only bid received to buy Everton, then it's obvious (to me) that both Kenwright, and the shadows in the background will remain in some capacity. We will see?
Barry Rathbone
12 Posted 09/10/2023 at 21:47:57
Tony @11,

They'll keep him on because there is no one else.

He has incomparable knowledge of the club machinery and contacts in football and the media coming out of his orifice.

The Romans used to do the same with leaders of the tribes they conquered and the Irish with truculent leprechauns in Kilkeel.

Mark Taylor
13 Posted 09/10/2023 at 22:42:05

Like cockroaches surviving a nuclear attack, one does wonder about Bill's capacity to survive. But I think 777 Partners will see him as dispensable, certainly after the investigation concludes.

As for what he might have over whom, the obvious one is that he knows it's Usmanov's money and that of course means the end for us. Certainly as currently configured, although long-term good could come out of the implications of that.

But who in their right mind would poke a Russian oligarch, given how that rogue state operates? I can't see Usmanov being too kind to anyone who gets in the way of him and his money...

John Raftery
14 Posted 09/10/2023 at 23:47:03
The quote in question 9 gives us a clue as to what is in store; ‘a new wave of commercialisation'. Push that too far and they will drive fans away.

I remember a time when Goodison was only a quarter full. Over the past 20 years or so more fans have grown into the habit of attending matches thanks in the main to sensible pricing of tickets. It was certainly not owing to success on the field of play.

That demand for tickets is elastic was confirmed recently at Villa Park when the home fans stayed away in protest at the prices being charged.

Derek Thomas
15 Posted 09/10/2023 at 00:01:21
I fear that Kenwright will be wheeled out or, if his health is iffy... wheeled in as a figurehead Honourary President.
Len Hawkins
16 Posted 10/10/2023 at 00:28:42
The only job Kenwright will get is running up and down local streets "can I mind your car mister". He'll be glad of all the half crowns.
Tony Abrahams
17 Posted 10/10/2023 at 07:33:17
I've met a few people who didn't realize how funny they sounded when they were actually trying to be serious, Barry. I'm not saying you're funny, but at least I'm smiling though, mate!
Michael Kenrick
18 Posted 10/10/2023 at 08:28:25
Andy Burnham, Everton season ticket holder, had this to say:

"I've been careful not to rush to judgement. We're all concerned about the future of the club.

"You feel that so much when you go to the match. We're anxious aren't we?

"I always knew that when Everton did change stadium, it was going to apply stress to the club. That has come to pass, we've been living through that.

"I think there shouldn't be a rush to judgement. There should be scrutiny and challenge.

"I think if you look at the open letter to Evertonians at the weekend, you can see at least a communication there that is an improvement on what we've had recently.

"There's an approach that could make sense. Having Everton linked to a network of clubs whereby there are more options for loans, you are less constrained from a transfer market or transfer window point of view, because there is a network, then that can give options that we wouldn't have ordinarily. I can see how that actually enhances our position.

"I think it has to be a case that the jury has to be out, hasn't it? We have to judge as we find and I would say that to some degree I've been reassured so far, but we will be watching closely.

"This club is too important to all of us for anything to be done that threatens its Premier League status. It is a unique asset in world football.

"The history at Goodison Park that we still can enjoy for another 18 months or so, but the prospect of a new iconic ground. This club is at a pivotal moment and it requires the most seriousness of stewardship at this moment in time.

"As I say, we will be working hard to ensure that is what it gets."

Dave Abrahams
19 Posted 10/10/2023 at 09:55:48
Michael (18), regarding Andy Burnham’s last two paragraphs hasn’t the seriousness of stewardship of how the club is run always been one to watch,seems he’s been very quiet over the last few years in how the club has been run or has he been happy the way the club has slumped on and off the field, and who is he referring to when he says “ We will be working hard to ensure that is what it gets” Has he been working the background, if he has he hasn’t done much.
Brian Harrison
20 Posted 10/10/2023 at 09:57:27
I cant agree with Andy Burnham that being part of 7 clubs owned by 777 as being an advantage. I also don't see a benefit in loan deals between these clubs being beneficial, as they are all independent commercial interests who will want to retain their best players rather than becoming feeder clubs.
Andy Burnham mentions that they have communicated to the fan base, come on Andy your a politician you should know better than many that with their bad press they didnt want the fans against them before they got control of the club. And like many politicians they say one thing and often then do the complete opposite. I don't know enough about the murky world that buys and sells clubs but I fear we are cherry ripe for asset stripping. Also when you look at Premier league clubs owned by Americans, they arent known for throwing their own money into clubs. Even our neighbours who have had a certain amount of success their owners still seem reluctant to spend big. Hicks and Gillette almost took our neighbours to the brink, Man Utd fans want their American owners gone. Also its only what Arteta has acheived on the field that has quelled the cry from Arsenal fans for Kronke to get out of their club.
Paul Hewitt
21 Posted 10/10/2023 at 10:33:53
Well after 7 years of ownership under Moshiri, I find it impossible for 777 to be as bad. Give them as chance is what I say.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
22 Posted 10/10/2023 at 11:59:33
Brian - Todd Böhly (yes, Todd, that is how your ancestors would have spelt it) seems to have splashed a fair amount of cash at Chelsea.
Jerome Shields
23 Posted 10/10/2023 at 12:08:59
All very good questions.But they should have included the one asking when Kenwright is leaving, a follow up on their announcement of no confidence in the Chairman Bill Kenwright.He has to go, though I think he is there at the moment because Moshiri does not have a Clue and he knows it.I don't think Kenwribut is happy with the 777 partners takeover and probably indirectly is the source of some of the anti stories that exist.He will play his shareholding to death.The good news is that accountability will be a big part of 777 Partners future plans.

I expect 777 Partners to take these questions seriously and answer them.

Kevin Prytherch
24 Posted 10/10/2023 at 12:16:12
Brian 20 - look at 3 youngsters who have left recently citing a lack of pathway to the first team - Small, Price and Samuel’s-Smith.

They may or may not turn out to be any good, but would they have left if we could have offered them a loan to a competitive league to further their development? I’d say that they would be less likely to leave.

Also, how many times have we had players with potential rotting in the reserves? Again, if we have a network of clubs that we could utilise loan deals with, they could get that experience to make or break them. Even if they don’t succeed, the likelihood is that we will recoup more money since they will have been playing at a competitive level.

Finally - if we are the largest club out of the network (Premier League is considered the largest - even if some might put us on par with the likes of Genoa), then we could utilise that position for players from the other clubs who want to make the move to the premier league.

There are benefits, and the likes of Chelsea and City use these benefits well.

Brian Harrison
25 Posted 10/10/2023 at 12:38:57
Kevin 24

While you are absolutely correct that we either don't produce enough quality youngsters to become first team players or we block their passage. I am sure there may have been a couple over the last 10/15 years but apart from Lundstrum I cant think of to many who have been at our academy and left to play regularly in the Premier league. I think Small left to go to Southampton don't remember him making to many appearances for them and don't know if he is still with them. I think Price said the club wanted him to stay but it was his choice to leave and Samuels Smith I think went to Chelsea and I haven't seen him in any squad of theirs yet.

I have long been a critic of how few we produce from our academy. Maybe we appointed to many ex players who didn't either have the qualifications to coach at that level or just weren't up to the job. Certainly cant think of too many ex players at other clubs who have been given the important role of coaching youngsters.

Mark Murphy
26 Posted 10/10/2023 at 12:39:53

I'm struggling to think of a youth player we've let go that has actually made it in the Premier League? I was gutted when we let Thierry Small go to Southampton but where is he now?

There's just lots of young players that don't make it so the club's not always wrong to let them go?

Brian Harrison
27 Posted 10/10/2023 at 12:52:44
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts

A company called Clearwater co-own Chelsea with Todd Boehly being installed as the CEO. Clearwater have had significant investment from the Saudi PIF group.

So not quite American owned… in fact, I would imagine that this is set up this way by the Saudi PIF group to stop the Premier League being able to stop it on the basis that no owner can own 2 Premier League clubs.

Kevin Prytherch
28 Posted 10/10/2023 at 13:30:03
Brian, Mark - we might not be wrong to let them go, they might never make it. But at least it will give them a reason to stay at the club while we get to make that decision.

Take the case of Antonee Robinson. We let him go for £1M because he was never going to dislodge our left back. 6 months later, and after a run of first-team games for Wigan, he nearly moved for £10M.

If we can use loans to increase the value of our academy players, then the multi-club model will be worth it. Chelsea and Man City make a fortune from selling their academy players and, often, part of the price is the fact that they've played first-team competitive football.

Jay Harris
29 Posted 10/10/2023 at 13:42:20

In the case of Chelsea and Man City, it may have more to do with their perceived status as "big clubs." It always amazes me how the other shower get so much for very average players.

Also, Chelsea hoovered up all the top young talent a few years ago, Alex Ferguson style, and then put them out on loan at various top clubs.

Our academy pales in comparison.

John Raftery
30 Posted 10/10/2023 at 14:23:05
The quote in question 9 gives us a clue as to what is in store; ‘a new wave of commercialisation'. Push that too far and they will drive fans away.

I remember a time when Goodison was only a quarter full. Over the past 20 years or so, more fans have grown into the habit of attending matches thanks in the main to sensible pricing of tickets. It was certainly not owing to success on the field of play.

That demand for tickets is elastic was confirmed recently at Villa Park when the home fans stayed away in protest at the prices being charged.

Clive Rogers
31 Posted 10/10/2023 at 14:29:47
The big question for 777 Partners should be “What are you going to do about the £1 billion debt and the ongoing losses recently reported as £20 million per month?”
Barry Hesketh
32 Posted 10/10/2023 at 14:33:32
John @30,

It's often been said that Evertonians probably spend a lot less with the club on match days than most other similar sized clubs fans, whether that is an economic fact of life, given the difficulties that the city and the region has been through at various points in the last few decades, or whether it is more about the ingrained habits of Evertonians, is open to debate.

However, the current economic and political landscape, which doesn't look as if it will improve a great deal in the next few years, isn't really conducive to the average person increasing their spending on leisure, when there are more important demands on any spare cash that they may have available to them.

James Marshall
33 Posted 10/10/2023 at 15:04:07
The response will almost without question be an over-arching one something along the lines of, "Yes, of course we will be trusted and committed custodians of this great institution". And other platitudes with the bottom line being, "It's none of your business how we intend to run our business".

As long as people buy shirts and go to games, nobody gives a shit what supporters think. They never really have in truth – supporting a football team is a blessing and a curse in that respect.

Every owner knows full well that every sucker who goes to games will follow their team to the grave, so what we all think is utterly meaningless. Even more so nowadays, since football is merely a money making business like any other – rife with exploitation of those who buy the product and to the absolute hilt in order to make cash for investors.

We're given a voice by name only. It's a token gesture.

Brian Wilkinson
34 Posted 10/10/2023 at 15:32:11
Shame they never fired such questions at the current board and owners, asking for answers.
Danny O’Neill
35 Posted 10/10/2023 at 17:17:09
It's a tricky balance, isn't it, John?

We have to consider where the majority of our match-going fanbase comes from and the traditional matchday rituals, which are mostly outside Goodison in establishments with no link to the club.

I did a bit of reading, we make just short of £600k in matchday revenue.

Man Utd are just south of £4M. Arsenal and Liverpool are in the £3M club, with Chelsea and Tottenham not far behind.

In terms of season tickets, our most expensive is £690. Arsenal and Tottenham hovering around £2k. What shocked me was Fulham's are £3k. I think that is for a certain section of their new riverside stand. Now as I say, that is based on most expensive.

But it shows how far behind. On a matchday, Everton, at best get about £55 out of me. And that is only if I manage to get served at half-time.

Maybe the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock will change this. If the plans are to be true, it sounds like we will be following the Tottenham model with bars and restaurants inside the stadium as well as the traditional pie and hotdog kiosks.

I would even suggest the club sponsoring the Bramley Moore pub. Maybe on some sort of contract basis. That place is going to hit gold.

Like I say, it's a balance of retaining the traditional matchday fanase but attracting new and, in this day and age, there are other ways of growing the commercial side and building the brand – something we have not been good at (that's being kind).

Online, projecting Everton globally; we have a US base and possibly soon US owners.

I meant to comment on the 777 thread. I wonder if we will see pre-season tournaments between their portfolio of clubs? Maybe even exchanges of players? I seem to remember Watford doing that with Udinese a few years back.

I'm still trying to edge my way onto the FAB.

Tony Abrahams
36 Posted 11/10/2023 at 07:39:50
I think there are thousands of Evertonians who would not only spend their last penny on Everton but probably go in debt to continue going to the match, Barry H. I think that, because Everton is still one of the few old-school clubs left (Hail Kenwright!), people have just continued to go about their normal matchday routine.

Look at the recent ToffeeWeb get-together's for Mike G, and Andy C. They went The Harlech but, if there were establishments inside the ground, then I'm sure they would have been used, especially considering they all went out of their way to go and have a drink by our soon to be new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock after the game.

Even Paul Trail ditched his match day routine and went the Fan Zone because it was a nice day and he had his child with him, so I'm certain once Everton produce the leisure facilities, then people will spend their money with the club, just as long as they don't start taking the piss with absolutely extortionate prices!

Bill Griffiths
37 Posted 11/10/2023 at 08:35:52
While I can't speak for others, the reason I do not spend any money inside the ground is due to the extortionate prices charged by the club's chosen caterers.

If they are going to charge the same level of prices at the new stadium, I will continue to get my food and drink at other outlets.

Ray Roche
38 Posted 11/10/2023 at 09:20:30
Brian @25,

Thierry Small has been on loan at Port Vale with only 4 appearances, and St Mirren where he's played 15 times over two loan spells over the last two seasons.

His only first team appearance at Southampton was in a Cup tie. But he's not yet 20 so I suppose he's still got time, but maybe the grass isn't always greener.

Brent Stephens
39 Posted 11/10/2023 at 09:50:33
Ray #38,

Wow, I thought Small had played few games at Southampton but didn't realise how low he'd fallen.

I wonder if we'd ever sign him back? I can't believe somebody with such ability (when he was with us) now presumably is seen to have so little.

Has this been a confidence thing after not getting game time? or was he really "all fur coat and no knickers"?

Brian Williams
40 Posted 11/10/2023 at 09:56:33
Bill #3,

If you think the present prices are extortionate you're in for a shock come BMD, including your season ticket price if you have one. ;-)

Mark Murphy
41 Posted 11/10/2023 at 10:08:26
I attend more away games than homes (as I live down south) so the recent Luton game was a rare visit to Goodison.

Maybe it's because I was in the Upper Gwladys but I was amazed how quickly I got my half-time pint - virtually no queue and I didn't leave my seat early.

That's very different to away games where there's always massive scrums for the bar. Other clubs must love us, commercially wise.

Dave Abrahams
42 Posted 11/10/2023 at 10:13:48
I think Small and Samuels-Smith went for the much better contracts offered to them by Southampton and Chelsea, Price went because he wanted and maybe is getting first-team football.

Brent (39), I think Small was better going forward than defending where I thought he was less than average, Samuels-Smith looked a very good all-round player who could make it in the Premier League while learning to improve on a very good contract at Chelsea.

In all three cases, Everton offered them good deals but they preferred to move on, there was nothing else Everton could do to keep them here — they had made their minds up to move on.

In the first tea squad, at the moment, we have the opposite of those three: players who won't move on because they have and have had long lucrative contracts to treasure while being very poor performers, jammy bastards!!

Brian Harrison
43 Posted 11/10/2023 at 10:16:56
Brian @40,

I think many fans will be shocked at the cost of a season ticket at the new stadium.

I can't verify this but a guy I know has a season ticket in the Upper Bullens like me, and he contacted the club over likely prices to sit in a similar position in the ground as he does now.

He tells me whoever he spoke to said that the new bars and restaurants will be located in the stand that is on the side like Upper Bullens and the season ticket price would be in the region of £2,000. This doesn't cover any food or drink he may consume, it's just because he is in a part of the stadium with these facilities.

To be honest, I haven't heard anything like this from anybody else, surely this price is incorrect. Has anybody else been in touch with the club over possible prices of season tickets?

Obviously there will be an increase in season ticket prices but I can't believe there would be such a massive leap from what we are paying now.

Pete Neilson
44 Posted 11/10/2023 at 10:37:35
Brian (43) likewise, it seems now that prior to every game someone knows someone (but doesn't know their name!) who's been quoted an astronomical price.

Before the Bournemouth game, while in The Saddle, there was even a guy saying he knew someone who'd already paid for their season tickets at the new stadium. I'm putting it down to no more than hearsay.

Brent Stephens
45 Posted 11/10/2023 at 10:40:00
Brian #43,

I was contacted by one of Everton's sales team to see if I was interested in "the dining experience". Packages were "on sale with the dining experiences, either every game or occasionally. These packages range from £3,250 - £7,250 + VAT per seat, per season."

"Alternatively, we will be selling our Premium Bar Experiences approximately around Autumn time if this is more suited to what you would be looking for. As these packages are not currently on sale, the prices have not yet been released."

So, the £2,000 you've heard is possibly the cost of the dining experience only, and not including the season ticket. I wouldn't expect season ticket prices to rise by a lot.

ps: I have all this in an email from Everton.

Brian Harrison
46 Posted 11/10/2023 at 10:50:04
Brent @45,

I hope you are right and this guy has been quoted a price that includes the dining experience.

I am lucky in that I have had for a number of years only paid the over-65s price, and my Grandson still gets his season ticket at a greatly reduced price. I am not sure if other clubs offer these deals to their supporters or it's unique to Everton. I wonder if they will still offer these deals when we move to the new stadium?

Seeing that we could be moving as early as 12 months time, it would help if the club suggested what ticket prices will be charged for the new stadium, then it would stop all the speculation.

Ray Roche
47 Posted 11/10/2023 at 11:28:12
Dave @42 ,

I think Smalls was, as you say, more of a wing back similar to Nkounkou so it will be interesting to see what eventually happens to him. I know that Unsworth was keen on keeping him. Hasn't Nkounkou been playing well since he left?

Brent, I can't comment on Small's attire and as for the “no knickers”, well you clearly know him better than I would ever want to. 😁

Brian Williams
48 Posted 11/10/2023 at 12:18:24
I can assure you the price of a season ticket will change "significantly".

I think that would be expected anyway, would it not?

Brent Stephens
49 Posted 11/10/2023 at 12:51:43
Brian W #48 - after several seasons of no / limited increases in ticket prices, I'd expect (I think most people probably expect) an increase as we move to BMD but it depends on what we mean as "significant" and when. Initially I'd expect an increase of cost of living plus perhaps a very small margin (and season 2024/25 might well see a small increase anyway). I guess what they won't want to do is frighten off people currently on the waiting list for a season ticket. More significant increases I'd expect after a season or two at BMD, once the waiting list lot had started paying for a season ticket?

Ray #47 - just going on what I've seen from his sliding tackle!

Brian Williams
50 Posted 11/10/2023 at 14:53:02
Brent. I "expect" my top balcony equivalent seat in BMD to cost me around £1100 from the first season we're watching from BMD.
I'm just glad I've managed to have this season (and hopefully next season) at the reduced senior price.
Dave Abrahams
51 Posted 11/10/2023 at 15:14:26
Talking about the price of tickets, the price of tickets for the Burnley league cup game will cost over65’s more than we pay for a premier league game, on an average price over the season, U18’s will pay a fiver for the game while other Blues will pay £25. good luck to those who will pay less but why no reduction for the over 65’s

I’m still having to log in after every post, even though I don’t log out, is it hate pensioners week on ToffeeWeb!!

Dave Abrahams
52 Posted 11/10/2023 at 15:22:17
Barry (52),

Thanks for that, Barry, but I haven't seen that advice, I'll try and find it, it's easy to log back on but I'm just curious to why it's happening. I haven't done anything different to how I usually use ToffeeWeb.

Brent Stephens
53 Posted 11/10/2023 at 15:24:39
Dave, I paid £20 for my Burnley Carabao ticket, Upper Bullens like you. Did you pay more than that?
Dave Abrahams
54 Posted 11/10/2023 at 15:25:05
Paul (53) thanks Paul, maybe it’s because there seems to be a new formula for how ToffeeWeb is operating.
Dave Abrahams
55 Posted 11/10/2023 at 15:28:05
Brent (55) No I paid £20 like yourself.
Stephen Vincent
56 Posted 11/10/2023 at 17:00:57
Danny #35,

I was fortunate enough to be invited to a corporate box for the North London derby, the day following our Brentford game. The entry level facilities which seat 6 and does not include food or drink (other than water) cost my friend £92,700 per season which comes out to £813 per person per game. He has to guarantee a £1,000 spend on food and drink per match. He does have the use of the box for FA Cup and Carabao Cup games. There are 146 boxes. The corporate box rental is upwards of £30M per season.

Manchester City has 66 boxes the majority of which are rented match by match. A platinum box (accommodating 10 people) per season is £247,000. (£13,000 per game).

I pay £20.52 per game in the Lower Bullens and £3 for a scouse pie, or a sausage roll, if Sodexo haven't run out.

Rob Halligan
57 Posted 11/10/2023 at 17:03:04
Brent……didn’t know you were an auld fucker! I had to pay £25 for my Burnley ticket….😁😁😁

Dave, I paid £20 for my Burnley Carabao ticket, Upper Bullens like you. Did you pay more than that?

Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
58 Posted 11/10/2023 at 17:58:49
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Brent Stephens
59 Posted 11/10/2023 at 19:06:28
Rob #57 "Brent……didn’t know you were an auld fucker!"
Rob, why do you think I've bought a pedalo for BMD match days?! I'll soon be too old to be driving on the roads!
Dave Abrahams
60 Posted 11/10/2023 at 20:12:38
Rob (57),

No I paid £20 the same as yourself.

Dave Abrahams
61 Posted 11/10/2023 at 20:28:12
Re the discussion on young players leaving the club after refusing the new contracts offered to them:

Isaac Price scored a last-minute winner for his club Standard Leige (?) on Sunday.

Rob Halligan
62 Posted 11/10/2023 at 21:25:35
Dave # 60…….sorry Dave, I know you paid £20 for your Burnley ticket. I was just taking the mick out of Brent, and I should have put that quote first in my post at # 57.

John Keating
63 Posted 14/10/2023 at 19:21:33
I see the Qataris have pulled out of the Mann U buy out
Hopefully the Glazers will be left with F… all!
Greedy bastards bought the Club for less than a billion and knocked back 5 billion

Believe it or not I used to go fishing with the ruler of Qatar in the very late 70’s

I think it’s his grandson who I must have met as a young sprog who’s ruling now

I might take a trip over there and have a word! Better them than our 777 mates?

Brent Stephens
64 Posted 14/10/2023 at 19:29:23
John #63 "Greedy bastards bought the Club for less than a billion and knocked back 5 billion".

It's worse than that, John. The Glazers took out a loan to buy the club and then transferred that loan debt onto the club, since when they've been taking annual dividends; and they will still sell the club for a stonking profit and have no loan debt to repay as that's with the club. Nice work if you can get it. No wonder their fans are less than impressed.

Paul Hewitt
65 Posted 14/10/2023 at 19:39:24
Brent I never understood how the Glaziers were able to transfer the loan on to United. So United are simply paying for themselves. That can't be legal?
Brent Stephens
66 Posted 14/10/2023 at 19:43:36
Paul, I stand to be corrected but that's as I understand it. And, yes, it's bizarre.
Brent Stephens
67 Posted 14/10/2023 at 19:47:52
Paul, here's one explanation of it.
John Keating
68 Posted 14/10/2023 at 19:58:18
I might-be wrong but I think The World’s Greatest Evertonian did exactly the same

Take a loan and get the Club to pay it back

Jay Harris
69 Posted 14/10/2023 at 20:10:29
its perfectly legit and widely used.

As John K says there is plenty of evidence and speculation that that is how Kenwright bought PJ out.

John Keating
70 Posted 14/10/2023 at 20:28:14
As far as I know that’s how The World’s Greatest Evertonian got the Club

And, as far as I know, it’s never been refuted.

Tony Everan
71 Posted 14/10/2023 at 22:28:51
John, detailed Guardian article from 2016 talks about that period and the loans we club took out. It’s a good read, but hard to follow!


Don Alexander
72 Posted 14/10/2023 at 23:48:52
Tony (#71), many of us read that Guardian article many years ago (as well as Colin Fitzpatrick's 2010 - repeat 2010 - TW forensic dismantling of Kenwright's reputation as being in any way reliable in any Everton matter/s) but some still refuse to see.

Thanks for posting though!

Eric Myles
73 Posted 15/10/2023 at 03:16:14
John #68 & 70, it's well reported that Chairman Bill borrowed the £7 million for his shares from Anita Gregg, wife of Paul Gregg who along with John Woods formed True Blue Holdings who bought out Peter Johnson.

Now it is quite possible that TBH then loaded the debt onto the Club considering that they each owned around £7 million (CB) £7 million (P&AG) £5 million (JW)

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