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Amadou Onana helped Belgium qualify for next summer's European Championships with a 3-2 win in Austria, although the Everton midfielder missed the last 12 minutes when he was sent off for a second bookable offence.

Former Blues striker Romelu Lukaku scored what proved to be the winner as the Belgians roared into a 3-0 lead in the winner-takes-all qualifier in Vienna, with Dodi Lukebakio scoring a goal in each half.

Konrad Laimer pulled one back and Marcel Sabitzer made it 3-2 with six minutes of the regulation 90 to go but the 10-man Red Devils held on to book their place for the Finals in Germany next year.

Elsewhere, Jordan Pickford was an unused substitute as Sam Johnstone played in goal for England in their friendly against Australia. Ollie Watkins scored the only goal of the game.

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Last night, Nathan Patterson played just over a half for Scotland after coming on for the injured Andrew Robertson but couldn't prevent Spain running out 2-0 winners. Steve Clarke's men remain top of their group, however, and will qualify if Norway fail to beat the Spaniards on Sunday. 


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Mike Gaynes
1 Posted 14/10/2023 at 01:03:44
Well in, Amadou, but make sure you don't repeat that little red card thing when you get home to Goodison.

Interesting that for all his enthusiasm in the tackle, that's only Onana's second red in 185 appearances for club and country.

Jerome Shields
2 Posted 14/10/2023 at 10:12:42
Well done, Onana. He will always play better in a passing team. This will do wonders for his confidence, but will put him more in the shop window at Everton.
Tony Abrahams
3 Posted 14/10/2023 at 10:44:31
I didn't realise that Onana had played so many senior games, Mike. Maybe this explains why he strolls about like a veteran, instead of trying to take the game by the scruff of the neck?

‘I read' that he was casual, and although I'm not sure if he was, the word “casual” would definitely be near the top of my list when describing Amadou Onana.

On the other hand, he can definitely play, so hopefully he puts in a performance similar to the one he put in at Villa a couple of weeks ago, at Anfield next week.

I also wonder if Belgium will release him back to Finch Farm early because of this sending-off?

Les Callan
4 Posted 14/10/2023 at 11:03:07
According to Wikipedia, he’s played 114 games and scored 7 goals.
Clive Rogers
5 Posted 14/10/2023 at 11:26:22
Yes, Les and only 1 goal for us in 40 games. There’s definitely something missing in his make up.
Dave Abrahams
6 Posted 14/10/2023 at 12:04:26
Tony (3),

Very casual would be more appropriate when referring to Onana, very casual indeed, especially when playing for Everton.

Ernie Baywood
7 Posted 14/10/2023 at 14:50:58
Clive, he's been parked in front of the centre backs for most of his time with us so it's going to be difficult to contribute much in front of goal.

It seems fairly obvious that he has talent that will have more impact further forward, but that's not what we've done with him.

Dave Abrahams
8 Posted 14/10/2023 at 15:33:02
Ernie (7) Ernie he hasn’t done an awful there, in front of the defence,or anywhere else to be honest, Colin Harvey and Peter Reid never scored many goals but you always knew what they were about and were well valued for their work all over the field, what does Onana actually do and what is his position, that’s when he decides to have a go, I mean now, not when he has been transferred to a top club for £70 or upwards of that, or so we led to believe by some on here.
Mike Gaynes
9 Posted 14/10/2023 at 17:41:39
Onana leads the club in tackles, recoveries, duels won and aerial battles won (tied with Tarkowski).

In attack he leads the club in passes, through balls and big chances created, and he's second in total touches.

Sorry, Tony and Dave, but to me that pretty much waves off the "strolling about" theory.

And apparently Dyche feels the same way, because only Tark among the field players has spent more minutes on the pitch than Onana.

Les #4, you're correct... I included his U-19 appearances as well, which sends the total to 185.

Tom Bowers
10 Posted 14/10/2023 at 18:04:15
Most of us have our favorites and I think with this current Everton squad the jury is still out on most of them.

It all comes down to consistency which the team has yet to prove they have. The results have been erratic, to say the least, and that Luton game still leaves a bad taste.

I think Dyche will continue with his belief in certain players despite the conflicting opinions of the die-hard fans so we will see and hope that the next few games see an improvement in the consistency.

Christy Ring
11 Posted 14/10/2023 at 18:18:51
He has looked better beside Garner, and the sending off will get him extra rest for Saturday.
Pete Neilson
12 Posted 14/10/2023 at 18:37:09
Onana suddenly started making himself available for the ball when we were cruising against Bournemouth. It'd be great if he did that consistently, but he doesn't.

Stats don't disprove arguments against his work rate especially when comparing them to those of his inept team mates who have hardly been ripping up trees. Opposition, tactics, team performance, form and many other factors play into them making it questionable at best in using them as a single measure of a player, it's a team game.

On many of the stats, Onana is a “better” player than Rodri but of course he isn't. Nowhere near. Not yet anyway. Much more application would help.

Dale Self
13 Posted 14/10/2023 at 18:40:39
As usual good with the recorded history and overall view Mike. I still think he isn’t well served by the system (parts of) and the jump to the Premier League.

Tom, good punchline, I think that along with a rotation purpose is the reason he sticks with players. It isn’t quite what Carlo used to do with the few skill players he had but somewhat similar.

Paul Kossoff
14 Posted 14/10/2023 at 18:47:55
Onana. sell him for any one stupid enough to pay over or near £50 million. Always gives the impression that he doesn't really have to put too much effort in. I imagine in a Man City team, he wouldn't get away with that under Mr Pep.

With our situation, we can't afford to have any strollers in any of our games. May be putting him up top with more responsibility we would see what he's capable of but, at the moment, I'm not his biggest fan.

Mark Murphy
15 Posted 14/10/2023 at 19:13:56
I’ve said it many times before but O’Nana thinks (knows) he’s too good for us and is playing beneath himself. He should be dropped and watch his value drop until he realises what’s happening or told in simple sentences that if he doesn’t perform to his best no-one will come in for him anyway. IF he gives us the next 6months of sweat and blood he can go with our blessing.
Dave Abrahams
16 Posted 14/10/2023 at 19:19:35
Mike (9), Stats v Eyes, I’ll take eyes every time, it’s what he actually does and achieves on the field, you’ve seen him twice at Goodison recently, didn’t you see him strolling and ambling in large parts of the game, the mistakes he made, just as many as the good plays he made, most probably more.

Mike you used to say Keane was a very good centre back, quoting stats, Jesus Onana is top with passes and second in total touches, do you really put much belief in those two stats, if they used stats on pass and move that might prove Onana’s strolling and ambling about, how many heading duels he loses, how many misplaced tackles and how many yellow cards he has collected through them.

Mike you like Onana and I don’t because of what I see or don’t see, so keep trying to prove Onana is a better player than he is and for all the stats you say he collects that won’t convince me one bit and keep sending them and I’ll always reply, best wishes as always Mike.

John Williams
17 Posted 14/10/2023 at 19:28:10
What surprises me, for a tall guy, he is very poor in the air and also seems to disappear during games.
Dave Cashen
18 Posted 14/10/2023 at 20:01:04
We have quite a history of players who managed to accumulate excellent stats without effecting many of the the games they played in.

Onana is the latest.

Dale Self
19 Posted 14/10/2023 at 20:01:42
Well, I’m not going to write an article but the Onana debate reminds me of the Siggy debate. They both point quite often. Both slagged for being lazy from the start. They also shared the centre point of the system played. Dyche/Carlo. Feel free to add some delightful similarities that come to your minds.
David West
20 Posted 14/10/2023 at 20:22:11
I really like him, when he's got the bit between his teeth. I said last week I thought he needed a rest, a reminder that you give it all, all the time, not when you feel like.

Looked like Dyche agreed until forced into the change.

A game or 2 out might have kicked him up the arse. However he did play well against Bournemouth. So what do I know !

He plays within himself alot, so when we as fans see him burst forward, shrug off players or play great balls we wonder why we are not seeing it more often.

Is it just him developing, trying to find himself as a player or is it the different roles he's being asked to play ?

I'm not one of the critics who rip him week in, week out but he definitely has more to give and we need him to give it!!

Mike Gaynes
21 Posted 15/10/2023 at 00:53:00
Dave #16, you just made my point for me. Onana leads the club in tackles this season without having a single "misplaced" tackle for a yellow. Not one card this season.

And if your eyes see him losing heading duels, you (and John Williams #17) really need to drop in on the optometrist, because the stats you don't like show him to be the BEST midfielder in the Prem in the air. He has won more aerial duels than any other mid, and he's tied 4th in the league overall in contested headers won (the three players ahead of him are centre-backs). This season he's winning 70% of his duels both on the ground and in the air.

Yeah, the kid makes inexperienced mistakes and sometimes fades out of games. He's also really good. I'll send you more than best wishes, my dear friend. I'll send you a beer if you're not chanting his name from your seat before the end of the season.

Dave Abrahams
22 Posted 15/10/2023 at 08:30:24
Mike (21) this kid is twenty two next month, despite your stats he has made umpteen many misplaced tackles and been left on his arse with his opponent running away with the ball, he is next to useless with his heading ability,constantly beaten in the air and not judging the flight of the ball at other times.

I’ll give him his due when he has a good game, haven’t had the pleasure of doing that many times, as for chanting his name, come on Mike, I chant out his name now loads of times along with a few ‘f’s and ‘b’s to go with them, he is over hyped by many Everton fans and according to one ex Belgian international, after yesterdays game, he wants to buck his idea’s up and stop making silly tackles.

The sooner one of these top clubs, who can’t wait to sign him, lol, make their move I’ll buy myself a nice bottle of gin and celebrate while chanting his name.

Good health and best wishes Mike and condolences to you and your family on your sad loss.

Danny O’Neill
23 Posted 15/10/2023 at 09:08:04
He frustrates through his inconsistency. He needs to find consistency.

He goes to ground a bit too easily to recover a mistake. But he has potential.

But; will he realise that or become the next Moise Kean or Balotelli? I think his attitude is better than both of those.

Is it down to him or is it because he is a young player in an under performing team and dysfunctional club?

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I equally doubt he won't be with us for much longer.

Tony Abrahams
24 Posted 15/10/2023 at 09:12:25
Mike second paragraph@9. Those stats make it sound like Onana, is taking the game by the scruff of the neck, but like Dave says, this is something the naked eye rarely sees.

I think the kid has got loads of talent, but because you brought the manager into it, I thought it was very telling that after Dyche’s first ever Everton game, he said that he had told Onana, that he was going to introduce him to the Belgian, Stephen Defour (one of his ex-players) to help him learn the dirty side of the game.

Everyone can see that he can play, but the secret is being able to get involved and play on a regular basis. (rather than in small doses) If Onana learns to do this then I’ll send you a video of Dave, singing I AM REVIEWING THE SITUATION, whilst drinking his gin, looking like Ron Moody!

Dave Cashen
25 Posted 15/10/2023 at 09:22:45
Onana is 6ft 4". He would win most of his aerial midfield duels without even jumping. Stats will tell you he won the duels, but they won't reveal how poor his headers were.

When attacking free kicks and corners in the opponents box. Onana finds big center halves a bit more of a challenge. It's rare for him to win one of those duels, even rarer for him to score from one.
If you compared his stats to a natural header of a ball like Tim Cahill, they would still be be superior, but we all know that the Tiger was far more deadly. When he won a duel. Somebody usually paid.

Onana is a little weak heading a ball and in other areas, but he can and almost certainly will improve. The stats prove he is winning the balls, he only needs to get the second part right.

He's a million miles away from the finished article, but he's only just turned 22 and he's still learning about life in England. He will be much better by The time one of the rich clubs come around and take him off our hands.
He is a raw talent, but the tools in his box are there for all to see.

Eddie Dunn
26 Posted 15/10/2023 at 09:44:54
Onana looks the part even though he is still on a steep learning curve.
However I am sure that he will become a very good player.
He has all of the tools at his disposal.
He is still learning but he has a certain arrogance about him that our team has lacked for a long time.
I hope he gets a bit nastier, a bit more Fellaini.
I don't need stats but I do think we should enjoy him while he's here.
I want to see him go out and bully people. Macallister and Co will do for starters next week.
Dave Abrahams
27 Posted 15/10/2023 at 11:09:38
Eddie (26), fair enough Eddie that’s what I’m waiting for, to see the man add some graft, a lot of t to be honest and mix it with the skill he uses now and again, he’s got a lot of tools, when someone gives him the key to the toolbox he might get going.
Eddie Dunn
28 Posted 15/10/2023 at 11:44:07
Absolutely Dave. He is frustrating because he has it all.
However think of all of the young players we have had over the years. At 22 lots of them were very inconsistent. Osman springs to mind. Didn't we send him to Derby for a while?
Even old Seamus took quite a while.
Dave Abrahams
29 Posted 15/10/2023 at 11:54:29
Eddie (28), Yes a lot were frustrating but most got you off your seat at times doing something special, like Rodwell and Barkley,I can’t think of any young player as lethargic as Onana consistently is, every game.

I’d love him to make a fool out of me next week in The Derby, just love it, he shit himself lat year at Anfield and was dragged off, I think he was substituted in a few games around that period last season, come on lad get your finger out!!

Geoff Lambert
30 Posted 15/10/2023 at 19:48:42
Dave #16
There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes.
Mike Gaynes
31 Posted 15/10/2023 at 20:17:00
Dave #22, thanks, just out of the "shiva" gathering for Jewish mourning, and feeling at peace.

Dave C and Eddie, fair assessments both.

Tony #24, thanks for the chuckle and I'll look forward to that!

One more observation if I may... after both Luton and Bournemouth, the last player off the pitch, the one who stayed the longest to give his shirt away and talk to the kids, was Onana. He gets Everton.

Dave Abrahams
32 Posted 15/10/2023 at 22:16:50
Geoff (30)My eyes will never see the hyped Onana some see.
Dave Abrahams
33 Posted 16/10/2023 at 10:20:02
Mike (31)

Forget Everton and Onana for now and look after your wife and family in the coming days, they will need you right now.

I'll look after Everton for you and even put my arms around Onana and give him a hug for you! Best wishes as always.

Mick O'Malley
34 Posted 16/10/2023 at 17:27:22
He'd always be the first name on the team sheet for me. I completely agree with Mike Gaynes, the lad is the least of our problems.

Gana is the one who needs punting, no coincidence our best performances have come when he wasn't playing, leave Onana and James Garner to form a partnership, they are the future – not 34-year-old Gana.

Chris Leyland
35 Posted 16/10/2023 at 19:02:17
Onana always looks like he's playing within himself to me. All the tools look like they might be there: power, pace, technique, an engine, the ability to pass, but he just seems to play in the same 20-yard area of the pitch, laying it backwards and sideways.

Is it tactical instruction? I just wish he'd go for it a few times as he's got the potential to be a game changer.

Tony Abrahams
36 Posted 16/10/2023 at 19:10:42
I think that is a very fair assessment Chris.
Brian Wilkinson
37 Posted 16/10/2023 at 19:31:13
I am still undecided on Onana, he shows glimpses of what he can do but, for large parts, like others have said, seems to stroll around the pitch.

Still, with age on his side at 22, I am willing to sit and wait, and see if the lad can raise his game to a higher level; I certainly think he is a better player when Garner is alongside him.

Jury still out on him for me, but that's just my own personal opinion.

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