Everton reportedly reject Spurs offer to alter terms of Dele deal

That would be out Levying Levy. 😉

I could give an example of just how skint the club is but it would lead right to the source and they'd be in the shit, which the club basically is too.

However bad you think it may be… it's worse.

And aside from all that, where's the sense in paying it if we could come to an agreement with Dele that means we don't have to pay a penny?

Like, what has anyone seen him do to justify getting a new deal? He has 6 or 7 games to turn his career around, but the trend I'm afraid is downward.

There's no way we should be paying a penny to Spurs for a player who will soon be out of contract and has a mountain to climb both emotionally and physically before he can be much use at top level.

If I was Dele, I'd be looking at a move abroad, somewhere he can rebuild with less pressure. Maybe he'd fancy life in the MLS? If he's even that keen to continue as a professional footballer.

The actual value of the transfer fee is £30M. The initial outlay is only part of the fee and ties Everton into future payments if triggered. I can't see the Dele Alli deal going beyond June.

Good try, Levy, but you've already shafted us once and the gullible idiot is now not around to have another go at.

If he proves himself in 6 games, offer him a new deal on 50 percent of his current pay. If he doesn't? End of. Better yet loan him out as Sam says.

As unfortunate as that sounds, we are not going to get out of the mess by repeating what we have been told is over-spending on players in the hope of finishing high enough in the League to earn higher position returns and European competition qualification.

Who says it now isn't, unfortunately, all about the money.

In short, Everton have already paid a significant proportion of the £20M in wages, to ask for more on top at the end of a contract is bullshit. Not going to happen, nor should it.

I did wonder if there is a clause in his sale contract to Everton that lives on beyond the extent of his contract with Spurs… but I doubt it as he would be a free agent.

So I would use the 6 remaining matches to assess his worth to the club, tell him that's all he is going to get this season, but his performance in them will determine if Everton will offer a contract.

Either way given what the club has done for him, they should have first refusal for a new contract. 6 games then walk away if one cannot be agreed upon. Nothing to do with Levy.

Gomes, who will never come good, is making exactly £112,212/week for doing the same amount of nothing.

On the flip side, the core of our club right now is arguably Garner, McNeil and Branthwaite, who are making a combined £70k/week. Myko is making £58k and is now among the top left-backs in the league.

So this stuff evens out.

If he doesn't shape up, his loan runs down and he's off the books in June... along with a few others.

If he does shape up enough for us to ponder spending £10M, we then have to decide if we can spare it.

Come the end of June, it's all about what Dele wants... not that I would know either way, but I think of Eriksen and his chance at Brentford and the old saying 'if you want loyalty – get a dog'. So who knows?

Worry about it after 6 games... or the end of June – whichever comes first.

At best, Dyche could chance him as a back-up for a limited amount of games, but he will need more games than the trigger point to get up to speed, if his attitude is right.

Really, if Spurs do not accommodate this match time requirement the Dele Alli deal is dead. Everton have already tried to move forward with the player, with no certain results.

I know what you mean and am no fan of Gomes but, to play devil's advocate, the Portuguese actually played pretty well for Lille last season and made himself a regular in a decent team. Whereas Alli struggled to make an impact at Besiktas.

Both are criminally overpaid by us and Moshiri's proclivity for handing out bloated contracts to players based on reputation and profile rather than form and fit for the team and manager is a large part of why we're in such financial trouble.

It's all down to Dele what happens in the future, only he can make anything happen on the field, let him prove it one way or the other.

It seems to me that many of our fans continue to live in a fantasy world, and refuse to accept that our finances are in a dire situation with no indication that they will improve.

Dele Alli isn't on loan at Everton. He can't be returned to Spurs.

At the end of this season, he is out of contract and can sign for anyone he chooses. He's not trapped by contract.

Neither is he being stopped from playing. He's injured and has been for some time.

Personally, I don't think there's any onus on Spurs to renegotiate; the onus is on Alli. He could dial down his wages to offset any payment to Spurs if he's desperate to play. He won't do that though.

The reality is that he may never be fit enough to play the 6 games it would take to trigger the payment.

Dele's not on loan, we can't return him to Spurs.

We bought him and gave him a contract which expires at the end of this season.

If he plays another 7 games before the end of this season, we have to give Spurs £10M.

If he doesn't, we give them nowt and his contract expires at the end of the season and he becomes a free agent.

Hey ho, what do I know?

If he plays 6 games… plays well… then his contract runs out… could Everton resign him on a free and not pay Spurs anything?

It was the equivalent of taking on the hire purchase terms of a second-hand Range Rover that the present owner had written off. It's vanity unfortunately – when we should have just bought a Ford Focus that actually worked.

Thanks for clarifying that Dele Alli's contract does end at the end of the season. His nonchalance would give you the impression that he did not have a care in the world. I suppose earning £5.2 million a year would do that to you. I now think that other people care more about Dele Alli's well-being than he does himself.

As you later say, it was a deal Everton should never have been involved in. But I still think that parties other than Dele Alli benefited and are not available for comment now.

I would like an independent commission to investigate that and the real culprits brought to pay, rather than innocent supporters..

Barry #25,

Such negotiations would be protracted and Dele Alli playing well in 6 games would be a small town outside Wishful Thinking.

Was a signing we took a punt on, didn't work out, we cut the cord and move on.

As said, get him fit and use him for 6 games then send him back to Spurs. We can't afford to waste £10M – unless we're in the shit near season end and he may help us stay up.

He's a few weeks from first team action presumably so, by that time, we won't have that many gems left in any case.

Obviously don't use him in cup games.

Some harsh comments there imo.

If he provides evidence that he has something to offer the club during the games he plays, then maybe make him an offer, if he doesn't he will join the list of other players who will be let go at the end of the season.

We will get there in the end but God we caused ourselves a lot of problems thanks to Moshiri and our late Chairman.

I profoundly disagree with your comparison between the value we have had from Gomes compared to Alli.

When Gomes arrived from Barcelona on a loan with a view to buy, after a few weeks, I said to everybody "There is no way this quality player will sign permanently for us." He was terrific and who can forget when we went to Anfield and he ran the show.

Up to his horrendous injury, he was a regular, unlike Alli who has struggled to start a game – never mind ever impress.

I also disagree with you when you say Alli might come good but Gomes won't. Well, I will have a little bet with you that Gomes will be back in the team before Alli, especially when Gana Gueye goes to the Afcon tournament in a few weeks for a month.

There is no way Everton, even with our mismanagement, are going to shell out £10M for a player who has six games to prove his fitness and the form that he exhibited several years ago (and probably won't ever again). There isn't a story here. He'll be allowed to run his contract down.

You said: "he should be returned to Spurs as soon as the terms of the original deal allow.

It seems to me that many of our fans continue to live in a fantasy world…"

I wouldn't dwell too long on that remarkable observation if I were you!

We get him fit and use him for 6 games - if he's good to go, negotiate with him while his contract runs down and then sign him at the end of the season for nothing.

It's all shrouded in ifs & buts obviously, but the above is the sensible option, right? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

I guess I'm trying to say your very idea appears on the thread errr more than once! :-)

1Get him fit, play the 6 games, if he's good enough sign on a reduced deal in the summer, with pay as you play additional money clauses. If not bye, and good luck.

2Loan him out to save the wages.

😳. Thank you Brian

Hence ''far fetched''

Your scenario is spot on, a low risk course of action with a possible uplift if things work out well.

Dyche will have seen his attitude in training and he won't start 1 game never mind 6 unless the manager is satisfied that he is ready to go!

Doucoure is not going to the AFCONs.

Where does desire fit in?. You need desire to get fit and to show some of the class. You can have all the class in the world but if your only desire is to swan around in a Rolls Royce it's a waste of time.

Sorry if I have given the impression I haven't.I have and do sympathize with Delli Alli throughout this botched saga.

James#49

Everton would have luck if they are able to manage thatn

Ali will probably end up selling hash and bongs in Anfield road to Liverpool supporters. Apparently they will pay a lot less than they do in Norway.

It's been a huge mistake to bring him in anyway.