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Everton have knocked back a proposal from Tottenham Hotspur to renegotiate the terms of the deal that brought Dele Alli to Goodison Park, according to The Times.

The 27-year-old is working his way back to fitness with the aim of playing his first football since last February in the New Year but a £10m payment from the cash-strapped Blues will be triggered once the forward makes his 20th appearance for the club. 

To date, Dele has played 13 times for Everton, 12 as a substitute, and could, fitness and selection by manager Sean Dyche permitting, pass the 20-game mark this season.

However, with his contract up in the summer and Everton taking on loans to cover expenses related to the construction of their new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, there is no desire to make any payment for the player this season.

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Tom Allnutt reports that Tottenham suggested the fee be reduced to £8m but want the number of appearances that would trigger it lowered, thereby making it more likely that the Toffees would have to stump up cash.

That has been rejected according to the report which leaves things as they were for now, but with both sides open to further talks.

 

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Bobby Mallon
1 Posted 09/12/2023 at 20:32:18
Is it only Premier League games?
Brian Williams
2 Posted 09/12/2023 at 20:52:43
If Dele recovers full fitness and proves himself, let him play one game less than the number that triggers the £10m payment. Then the club should try to reach an agreement with him that, when his contract runs out at the end of the season, he re-signs for us as a free agent.

That would be out Levying Levy. 😉

Paul Hewitt
3 Posted 09/12/2023 at 21:01:03
Offer him a new 3-year contract. Then pay the £10 million.
Brian Williams
4 Posted 09/12/2023 at 21:11:35
Offer him a new 3-year contract and don't pay the £10M, which by the way, we don't have.

I could give an example of just how skint the club is but it would lead right to the source and they'd be in the shit, which the club basically is too.

However bad you think it may be… it's worse.

Trevor Bailey
5 Posted 09/12/2023 at 21:22:46
Come on, Brian, do spill.
Brian Williams
6 Posted 09/12/2023 at 21:34:53
Trevor, I really can't, mate, but paying that £10M could land us with a new charge regarding P&S Rules.

And aside from all that, where's the sense in paying it if we could come to an agreement with Dele that means we don't have to pay a penny?

Cathal Donnellan
7 Posted 09/12/2023 at 21:41:07
Talk here about offering him a new contract... even a 3-year contract.

Like, what has anyone seen him do to justify getting a new deal? He has 6 or 7 games to turn his career around, but the trend I'm afraid is downward.

Sam Hoare
8 Posted 09/12/2023 at 23:01:37
If he's fit, then loan him out, try and shift some of his wages.

There's no way we should be paying a penny to Spurs for a player who will soon be out of contract and has a mountain to climb both emotionally and physically before he can be much use at top level.

If I was Dele, I'd be looking at a move abroad, somewhere he can rebuild with less pressure. Maybe he'd fancy life in the MLS? If he's even that keen to continue as a professional footballer.

Anthony Dwyer
9 Posted 10/12/2023 at 00:03:34
Anyone talking about giving Dele Alli a 3-year deal must be fucking mad!
Jerome Shields
10 Posted 10/12/2023 at 01:09:20
There must be a return clause between Dele Alli and Spurs, if Everton does not work out.

The actual value of the transfer fee is £30M. The initial outlay is only part of the fee and ties Everton into future payments if triggered. I can't see the Dele Alli deal going beyond June.

Mark Taylor
11 Posted 10/12/2023 at 01:15:24
Spurs are dreaming if this is true.

Good try, Levy, but you've already shafted us once and the gullible idiot is now not around to have another go at.

Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 10/12/2023 at 01:34:58
New deal? He's on £100k a week while we are borrowing £20m a month at 20% interest from 777 Partners to stay solvent.

If he proves himself in 6 games, offer him a new deal on 50 percent of his current pay. If he doesn't? End of. Better yet loan him out as Sam says.

Paul Shipsides
13 Posted 10/12/2023 at 01:40:48
Form is temporary but Class is permanent. Just saying 😌
Alan J Thompson
14 Posted 10/12/2023 at 02:14:11
Is there anyone at Everton who doesn't know the financial mess the club is in and that all costs have to be reduced which includes paying £100k pw wages and £10s of millions transfer fees on players with problems both physical and mental?

As unfortunate as that sounds, we are not going to get out of the mess by repeating what we have been told is over-spending on players in the hope of finishing high enough in the League to earn higher position returns and European competition qualification.

Who says it now isn't, unfortunately, all about the money.

Christine Foster
15 Posted 10/12/2023 at 04:11:18
Dele joined Everton in January 2022, his salary is reported at £100k a week, that's approx £5M a year. He is about to complete 2 years away from Spurs, that's saved them approx £22M – not bad for a player who hasn't played much, before joining or after.

In short, Everton have already paid a significant proportion of the £20M in wages, to ask for more on top at the end of a contract is bullshit. Not going to happen, nor should it.

I did wonder if there is a clause in his sale contract to Everton that lives on beyond the extent of his contract with Spurs… but I doubt it as he would be a free agent.

So I would use the 6 remaining matches to assess his worth to the club, tell him that's all he is going to get this season, but his performance in them will determine if Everton will offer a contract.

Either way given what the club has done for him, they should have first refusal for a new contract. 6 games then walk away if one cannot be agreed upon. Nothing to do with Levy.

Mike Gaynes
16 Posted 10/12/2023 at 04:50:12
I think we get overly emotional about how much we pay players. Yeah, we're paying Dele £100k/week for nothing so far, but at least he might come good.

Gomes, who will never come good, is making exactly £112,212/week for doing the same amount of nothing.

On the flip side, the core of our club right now is arguably Garner, McNeil and Branthwaite, who are making a combined £70k/week. Myko is making £58k and is now among the top left-backs in the league.

So this stuff evens out.

Derek Thomas
17 Posted 10/12/2023 at 07:06:50
See how he goes during his 6 games... if he ever plays them, then reassess.

If he doesn't shape up, his loan runs down and he's off the books in June... along with a few others.

If he does shape up enough for us to ponder spending £10M, we then have to decide if we can spare it.

Come the end of June, it's all about what Dele wants... not that I would know either way, but I think of Eriksen and his chance at Brentford and the old saying 'if you want loyalty – get a dog'. So who knows?

Worry about it after 6 games... or the end of June – whichever comes first.

Jerome Shields
18 Posted 10/12/2023 at 07:16:32
The big problem with Dele Alli is his latent potential that may not be realised. Can a club that is fighting a 10-point deduction both on and off the field and appealing the result of an investigation into its finances afford that luxury?

At best, Dyche could chance him as a back-up for a limited amount of games, but he will need more games than the trigger point to get up to speed, if his attitude is right.

Really, if Spurs do not accommodate this match time requirement the Dele Alli deal is dead. Everton have already tried to move forward with the player, with no certain results.

Sam Hoare
19 Posted 10/12/2023 at 08:05:24
Mike@16,

I know what you mean and am no fan of Gomes but, to play devil's advocate, the Portuguese actually played pretty well for Lille last season and made himself a regular in a decent team. Whereas Alli struggled to make an impact at Besiktas.

Both are criminally overpaid by us and Moshiri's proclivity for handing out bloated contracts to players based on reputation and profile rather than form and fit for the team and manager is a large part of why we're in such financial trouble.

Dave Abrahams
20 Posted 10/12/2023 at 08:42:41
Sam (19),Sam, let’s get it straight Moshiri was in Monaco when KENWRIGHT negotiated and signed off this deal, as for getting overly emotional about paying millions in wages and getting absolutely nothing back on the field from Dele I’d have a good think about that and Gomes’s wages only adds fuel to that argument.

It’s all down to Dele what happens in the future, only he can make anything happen on the field, let him prove it one way or the other.

David Bromwell
21 Posted 10/12/2023 at 08:46:04
Sorry but the whole Dele Alli saga is indicative of the way the club has been mismanaged. The simple truth is we have already wasted too much time and money on him, and he should be returned to Spurs as soon as the terms of the original deal allow.

It seems to me that many of our fans continue to live in a fantasy world, and refuse to accept that our finances are in a dire situation with no indication that they will improve.

Robert Tressell
22 Posted 10/12/2023 at 09:01:46
Lots of misinformation on this thread. So let's clear a few things up.

Dele Alli isn't on loan at Everton. He can't be returned to Spurs.

At the end of this season, he is out of contract and can sign for anyone he chooses. He's not trapped by contract.

Neither is he being stopped from playing. He's injured and has been for some time.

Personally, I don't think there's any onus on Spurs to renegotiate; the onus is on Alli. He could dial down his wages to offset any payment to Spurs if he's desperate to play. He won't do that though.

The reality is that he may never be fit enough to play the 6 games it would take to trigger the payment.

Brian Williams
23 Posted 10/12/2023 at 09:10:56
David #21,

Dele's not on loan, we can't return him to Spurs.

We bought him and gave him a contract which expires at the end of this season.

If he plays another 7 games before the end of this season, we have to give Spurs £10M.

If he doesn't, we give them nowt and his contract expires at the end of the season and he becomes a free agent.

Barry Williams
24 Posted 10/12/2023 at 09:38:00
You'd think that the sensible thing to do was to pay the money after 20 full games (or the equivalent in minutes), not 20 cameo roles!

Hey ho, what do I know?

Barry Williams
25 Posted 10/12/2023 at 09:42:48
Just a thought – and this is quite far-fetched:

If he plays 6 games… plays well… then his contract runs out… could Everton resign him on a free and not pay Spurs anything?

Robert Tressell
26 Posted 10/12/2023 at 09:44:53
Barry, the sensible thing is to avoid these sorts of deals altogether.

It was the equivalent of taking on the hire purchase terms of a second-hand Range Rover that the present owner had written off. It's vanity unfortunately – when we should have just bought a Ford Focus that actually worked.

Barry Williams
27 Posted 10/12/2023 at 09:48:20
Robert 26 - Everton and sensible deals - an oxymoron of the highest order sir!
Danny Baily
28 Posted 10/12/2023 at 09:50:07
A loan spell for the remainder of his contract would be ideal. Same goes for Gomes. This would presumably get at least part of their wages off the books.
Jerome Shields
29 Posted 10/12/2023 at 10:00:36
Robert #22,

Thanks for clarifying that Dele Alli's contract does end at the end of the season. His nonchalance would give you the impression that he did not have a care in the world. I suppose earning £5.2 million a year would do that to you. I now think that other people care more about Dele Alli's well-being than he does himself.

As you later say, it was a deal Everton should never have been involved in. But I still think that parties other than Dele Alli benefited and are not available for comment now.

I would like an independent commission to investigate that and the real culprits brought to pay, rather than innocent supporters..

Barry #25,

Such negotiations would be protracted and Dele Alli playing well in 6 games would be a small town outside Wishful Thinking.

Denis Richardson
30 Posted 10/12/2023 at 10:19:20
Sounds like we have a player who'll be available for 6 games. Take that then cut free. We're not the club to try and revive his career. We have big enough issues to resolve as it is.

Was a signing we took a punt on, didn't work out, we cut the cord and move on.

As said, get him fit and use him for 6 games then send him back to Spurs. We can't afford to waste £10M – unless we're in the shit near season end and he may help us stay up.

He's a few weeks from first team action presumably so, by that time, we won't have that many gems left in any case.

Obviously don't use him in cup games.

Rob Dolby
31 Posted 10/12/2023 at 10:23:06
Jerome, have you not seen the Dele interview with Neville?

Some harsh comments there imo.

Christopher Timmins
32 Posted 10/12/2023 at 10:24:36
His contract will just run down without him reaching the number of games needed to trigger the payment.

If he provides evidence that he has something to offer the club during the games he plays, then maybe make him an offer, if he doesn't he will join the list of other players who will be let go at the end of the season.

We will get there in the end but God we caused ourselves a lot of problems thanks to Moshiri and our late Chairman.

Brian Harrison
33 Posted 10/12/2023 at 10:36:21
Mike @16,

I profoundly disagree with your comparison between the value we have had from Gomes compared to Alli.

When Gomes arrived from Barcelona on a loan with a view to buy, after a few weeks, I said to everybody "There is no way this quality player will sign permanently for us." He was terrific and who can forget when we went to Anfield and he ran the show.

Up to his horrendous injury, he was a regular, unlike Alli who has struggled to start a game – never mind ever impress.

I also disagree with you when you say Alli might come good but Gomes won't. Well, I will have a little bet with you that Gomes will be back in the team before Alli, especially when Gana Gueye goes to the Afcon tournament in a few weeks for a month.

Ray Robinson
34 Posted 10/12/2023 at 10:37:47
We CANNOT send him back to Spurs. He's our player.

There is no way Everton, even with our mismanagement, are going to shell out £10M for a player who has six games to prove his fitness and the form that he exhibited several years ago (and probably won't ever again). There isn't a story here. He'll be allowed to run his contract down.

Stu Darlington
35 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:04:30
It would be outrageous for Everton to pay £8 or£10 million to Spurs given Ali’s contract situation at the end of the season and the clubs parlous financial situation.
The lad may or may not come good,but if Everton choose to make him an offer when he is out of contract it should reflect the fact that his recent playing and personal history indicates a significant risk factor for the club.
Mike @16
£212,000 a week for 2 players contributing nothing to the club at the moment,against £128,000 for 4 players who have been the backbone of the club so far this season?
I don’t care how emotional we get this situation certainly doesn’t even out by my maths.
Brian Williams
36 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:05:16
I wish people would read some previous posts! ;-)
Michael Kenrick
37 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:05:49
David Bromwell:

You said: "he should be returned to Spurs as soon as the terms of the original deal allow.

It seems to me that many of our fans continue to live in a fantasy world…"

I wouldn't dwell too long on that remarkable observation if I were you!

Ian Horan
38 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:16:30
People have short memories, we were 0-2 down at halftime against palace and relegation was nailed on!! Dele came on at halftime rolled back the years and totally changed the game and there I say it our nose dive to relegation. Now to today, the 6-7 games to trigger the payment, get him fit and whilst Gueye and possibly Duke are at AFCON in January that’s when we play Dele. Could even sell him last couple of days in January transfer window for the balance of his contract after 6 games… sensible solution to me
Mark Murphy
39 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:19:32
FFS - Dele Ali is NOT on loan from Spurs - We bought him. We can’t send him back just as we can’t recall Richy! Read the posts!!
James Marshall
40 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:22:30
I've commented numerous times my support for Dele and how I'd love him to be a success at Everton - having read this thread I'd reframe things thus:

We get him fit and use him for 6 games - if he's good to go, negotiate with him while his contract runs down and then sign him at the end of the season for nothing.

It's all shrouded in ifs & buts obviously, but the above is the sensible option, right? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Tony Abrahams
41 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:26:09
Definitely James, and if Deli Ali, is a decent human being, then I’m sure he would love to stay at Everton, and repay the club, for the way they have supported him over the last six months?
Brian Williams
42 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:32:35
James, you've got the right end of the stick. A stick that been passed around and around and around...................

I guess I'm trying to say your very idea appears on the thread errr more than once! :-)

Tony Everan
43 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:33:21
I doubt we’ll be paying Spurs a penny in transfer fees. The options as I see it are;

1Get him fit, play the 6 games, if he’s good enough sign on a reduced deal in the summer, with pay as you play additional money clauses. If not bye, and good luck.

2Loan him out to save the wages.

😳. Thank you Brian

Brian Williams
44 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:34:09
If he plays 7 we have to pay £10m.
Barry Williams
45 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:34:33
Jerome Shields
29

Hence ''far fetched''

Dave Abrahams
46 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:35:51
Ian (38), My memory is pretty good Ian and Dele did have a very good second half in that Crystal Pal. game but Ian forty five minutes in the last two years is not a lot to go on, in fact it is probably the only forty five minutes that Dele has provided since he came from Spurs even playing in a lesser league in Turkey although that saved us some money.
Christopher Timmins
47 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:36:02
James

Your scenario is spot on, a low risk course of action with a possible uplift if things work out well.

Dyche will have seen his attitude in training and he won't start 1 game never mind 6 unless the manager is satisfied that he is ready to go!

Barry Williams
48 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:37:49
Ian Horan
38

Doucoure is not going to the AFCONs.

Ray Roche
49 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:42:20
Paul@13
‘ Form is temporary but Class is permanent. Just saying 😌’

Where does desire fit in?. You need desire to get fit and to show some of the class. You can have all the class in the world but if your only desire is to swan around in a Rolls Royce it’s a waste of time.

Pat Kelly
50 Posted 10/12/2023 at 11:51:24
It was a grubby side deal to get the money in for Richarlison. We had to write off Dele’s salary for a couple of years. The likelihood of him ever contributing anything useful was remote. It’s indicative of why we are where we are.
Paul Shipsides
53 Posted 10/12/2023 at 23:15:44
Ray @ 49.
I have a positive attitude towards life so I believe that he will return ✨️
He is a very talented young man with undoubted abilities as a player.
27 years old and a future to embrace with the love and support of our wonderful club 💙
Jerome Shields
54 Posted 11/12/2023 at 06:17:40
Rob#31

Sorry if I have given the impression I haven't.I have and do sympathize with Delli Alli throughout this botched saga.

James#49

Everton would have luck if they are able to manage thatn

Paul Kossoff
55 Posted 11/12/2023 at 00:14:20
Ali won't sign for us when his contract is up, he'll be off to deserts new, and cash a plenty. I wouldn't sign him for free, he's next to useless. Ross Barkley walks all over him, and it's a shame we didn't offer him a contract instead of party boy Ali. Tell Spurs to take him him back in January and do us a favour. No time for sentiment in the position we are in, Ali, Bong average.
Paul Kossoff
56 Posted 12/12/2023 at 00:22:46
Cathal, what a great Irish name, means, battle rule, which the blue boys are doing at the moment.

Ali will probably end up selling hash and bongs in Anfield road to Liverpool supporters. Apparently they will pay a lot less than they do in Norway.

Soren Moyer
57 Posted 14/12/2023 at 15:25:22
Cut our losses and release him when his contract is up. We are not in a position to take big risks, both financially and sport wise.

It's been a huge mistake to bring him in anyway.


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