Calls intensify for Dyche to be replaced

Relegation is staring us ii the face and it is hard to pick out any teams that are as badly coached and set up for games,as Everton.

The cries are once again sack Dyche, but honestly who would want to came to this club that have just been bought out and so far it is all talk from the owners, action is louder than words and action is needed.

I think he would come here too, he’s decent tactically and what a chance to get a Premier League job, at a place you know, and lead the club into the new stadium.

It would give the team and fans a lift and hopefully we can get something out of them games. If Dyche is still in charge, we won't get nothing out of them.

The players are poor and bereft of confidence but we can't replace them, so replacing Dyche is the only way to make something happen.

As it is, I cannot see this group of players winning a Premier League game.

On the evidence of Roma, TFG are football novices so, whatever the next four weeks bring, they may prove to be little improvement on the idiot they've replaced!

Woe is me.

Is our football diabolical? Yes.

Is Dyche part of the problem? Yes.

Does that mean the owners should sack him now? Not necessarily.

I'm not an apologist for the man, but we're not in the bottom three, we're not marooned, and whilst I acknowledge our form is atrocious, relegation is absolutely not a certainty at this point. These are the facts, anything else is just conjecture on the part of angry supporters.

Sacking Dyche as a good call is entirely dependent on who is available to replace him. Listening to the calls for Potter, Moyes and Carsley on the forum is as depressing and unimaginative as Everton's football.

No, not anyone can be better than Dyche, the wrong appointment could actually make things worse: look at what's happening at Leicester.

Regarding those names, Moyes has effectively ruled himself out by saying he doesn't want to manage a club fighting relegation. Potter is apparently close to going to West Ham. Carsley is quoted as saying he wants to go back to the Under-21s. So why keep fucking going on about them when there's close to zero chance that they'll come?

If the Friedkins are savvy, they won't be taking any decisions based on raw emotions as business doesn't work like that. They'll be taking decisions based on data and performance.

So just to repeat, we're not in the Bottom 3 yet, so it's entirely possible that Dyche will be living to fight another day, several in fact. He's a relegation-fighting specialist, we all knew that when he was appointed, and his record with Burnley, in that respect, was more than just good. This will be taken into account.

Posters ranting on here about him need to be more realistic about the situation we find ourselves in. I wouldn't be surprised if Dyche was sacked. But it wouldn't make me any more optimistic about our immediate future if he was. The problems at Everton run much, much deeper. Changing manager won't solve them overnight. It's naive to think that they will.

I am sick to death of his manager. Get him out Now!!!

Enough is enough. Dyche has lost the plot. I'm beginning to feel for him in his interviews or he's gaslighting us all.

The one-dimensional, predictable style of play is horrific. His limitations are clear for all to see. The longer we stick with him, the harder it will be to avoid the drop.

TFG haven't been shy sacking coaches at Roma, why are they dithering to remove the tactical potato?

Dyche Out Now!

Then they can get to the job in hand and send Dyche to the same dole queue as De Rossi.

We're all rightly pissed off, but there's no need to turn on other fans offering an opinion. To suggest any are partly to blame for this situation is insulting. Anyone offering a balanced view should be welcomed.

Anyone sticking it to someone for having a different view to theirs, to the point of even claiming they're responsible for the shitshow on and off the pitch, should re-think where to direct their anger.

For fuck's sake, get shut and let's reboot with another manager – anyone but this smug fuckwit.

Dyche won't change. He's getting nothing out of the players. I don't see him turning it around. A new manager may, or may not, be able to bring some order to the chaos we're witnessing every week.

We have to roll the Dyche! Give the players someone to believe in, including themselves.

Yet another game without a shot on target but he won't entertain the idea of a striking coach. He places blame on the players for every loss and won't accept that he is to blame as well.

I've said it since the minute he walked through the door, he's a bottom feeder and is way out of his depth. I absolutely despise seeing him with an Everton badge on his chest. Get to fuck, you absolutely clueless dinosaur!

"Anyone backing Dyche… you're part of the problem".

Quite possibly the most idiotic comment I have read on these pages.

But if anyone is still backing Dyche, they must be happy with the crap we are serving up.

Dyche is as full of self-preservation bullshit as any manager out there. He now appears, and has for some time, to be completely out of ideas in coaching this team, limited as it is.

Either TFG buy into the Stockholm syndrome idea that only Dyche can keep us up, or they make a change.

3 wins in 19. Last season, we went from mid-December to April without registering a single win, a 14-game winless streak.

This is a manager that is dying by his own words when he managed Burnley against Everton.

"They don't know how to win."

I think the words can be levelled at most clubs you have managed too, Mr Dyche.

"Oh no, we can't do better. Stick with this one, he's shite but he might not be as shite as the next guy." — It's like some depressing socialist dystopia.

Aim fucking higher, people. You might be surprised.

I've seen some ridiculous posts about Frank, the Brighton and Bournemouth managers being approached.

Carsley as well has stated he doesn't want to manage at club level, so put that to bed.

If he's sacked, it will be an out-of-work manager, it's that simple.

Fear of the unknown runs amok at this club. Had anyone heard of the Brighton or Bournemouth managers prior to this season? Would Everton Football Club ever have the bravery to try such an appointment?

Why's it always got to be someone safe that we know?

Good shout — but would he?

(2) Jack Charlton said years ago that managers have a shelf life with a team; after a time, the players stop listening to them as they repeat the same things week after week.

(3) Dyche said the other week that the players did not implement what he had told them to do (viz, they have stopped listening to him).

Putting those three thoughts together… I think he is gone — and soon.

He'd certainly shake things up. I was joking like…

IMHO, the squad isn't that bad, it's just badly managed and has no confidence. Friedkin needs to inject some sense of being back into the place and get rid of the old guard (no names mentioned, lol). Clear the decks.

Relegation is more likely than not as things stand.

Our dog Dixie will give the job a go. The players and supporters will love her, she's very much a people dog.

When it comes to tactics though I think she'd go for a unique everyone chase the ball approach. She will bark at the opposition, though, so maybe she is the one!

Key questions though: has she been on the grass and can she put in the hard yards?

We could get Frank. No doubt about it. We are an immensely more attractive proposition than Brentford and Frank has achieved the ceiling there. There's no incentive for him to remain.

The ceiling at Everton is higher. He would get a larger contract. He would likely get more money to spend and less pressure to sell his better players.

He is the stand-out choice for me. He operates with class, producing a team that plays effective football without an inferiority complex. He gets players performing to their abilities and when losing players he doesn't moan or make excuses, he just gets on with it.

I do not have the answer who we bring in long term, but we cannot go on with this guy in charge, his tactics and same set up week after week is horrible. An unpopular choice but I would still look at bringing Moyes in for the short term.

He knows the club inside out, knows what the fans expect. For me, Dyche just does not get that we are in this together, all down to him when we win, players and fans fault when we lose, I just do not feel he has a connection with the club and fanbase.

If anyone can still defend a manager who has twice seen Southampton put us to the sword and come out on top both games, then I give up.

It's all right setting up to get a point v Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City, I get that, but the rest are beating us with us setting up as if we were playing the top teams.

For me, he has to go, let someone else come in and at least let some of these players be coached to play the ball on the grass, than a big hoof from Pickford or Tarkowski.

Again, sorry if I sound like a broken record over and over, week after week, but you do not need me saying it how it is, you can all see it with your own eyes: we cannot all be wrong.

Dyche Out.

I am just a little concerned that we have had two home games since the Friedkin takeover but no sign yet of the main man. Hopefully he thinks his latest investment will be worth a visit at some point.

Realistically, we are at huge risk of going down. Getting a new manager in now might not have the positive impact we want but keeping this self-righteous prick definitely won't.

And why would TFG bring in new players for this guy to ruin (or not use)

She's more of a fair-weather dog/manager and likes to avoid the rain so results may not improve until spring. No hard yards until then sadly.

Dyche has done a very good job under the circumstances with board changes in keeping us a Premier League club. Our squad is not mid-table. Very average strikers for a start. The players need a new voice to motivate them.

Yes, change may come. Who? All I know is change of manager is not going to be a quick fix. We need more quality on the pitch.

Happy and Healthy 2025 to everyone!! Stay positive!!

He did a job. Well done. Everyone agrees. But he's taken us backwards this season –- that's Dyche. And he'll blame everyone else.

He will get a bigger gig than us.

To attempt to answer the ill-conceived question (because fans have absolutely no input into managerial hiring) of who might be available in the event they take a decision to part company with Dyche, how about these:

UK — Moyes, Potter or Danny Rohl (I know he’s in a job but doing great at Sheffield Wed and wouldn’t cost much).

Foreign — Edin Terzic, Paulo Foseca, Max Allegri, Sarri, xavi, ten Hag (all have points per game at or above 2).

I accept that not all would come, but we only need 1 to accept.

One thing is certain, though, if they sack him, they absolutely need to have someone already lined up and agreed to step in. We can’t afford any further uncertainty.

And where has that nugget of information come from? "I believe he has until the end of January to get to 20 points and get 2 new signings in."

Please enlighten me Derek where you got that news from because I'm intrigued, I really am. Another rumour from Liverpool the city of rumours.

This shit has gone on for years: Morrisey and the cigarette theft; Ball and his gambling; Whittle and Johnson young girls; Beardsley's wife with Dalglish etc etc etc, absolute nonsense.

None of us – and I mean none of us – knows what's going on inside Finch Farm or Goodison — contrary to what any of you might believe.

Moyes would be my first choice. But I'd also go for Danny Rohl at Sheffield Wednesday. He's done a terrific job there, and I believe he will be in a top job in the Premier League or back in Germany in a few seasons.

We can’t afford to wait that long as Dyche is taking us down

Appoint a new manager and back him with good signings.

This is the worst Everton team I can remember; we are living through a nightmare.

Christopher, Roma was actually in much worse shape financially when Friedkin bought them than Everton is now. They were staring down the barrel of bankruptcy, perhaps just a few weeks away. But they were in much, much better shape on the pitch. They had a strong roster and a very good manager.

At Roma, the Friedkins haven't behaved quite as expected though. They bought the club in August 2020 and appointed Mourinho in May 2021. They then went in-house with club legend Di Rossi – and then (surprisingly to me at least) Ivan Juric (who has just been appointed by Southampton).

The Juric appointment is the interesting one – because he was hired after leading Torino to 10th, 10th and 9th place finishes – after similar mid-table finishes with Verona. Nothing about his resume suggested he would take Roma forward – and he didn't. Now they've got Ranieri as a temporary fix (strangely not the out-of-work Allegri or Sarri who would have been much more obvious choices).

Whoever the manager, Roma have generally been performing under the Friedkins much as they were before the takeover. Arguably worse, since it's not too long ago they were Champions League regulars and they haven't been in contention under the Friedkins.

What do we learn from any of this?

I think the message is that though the Friedkins are rich, they don't exactly splash the cash – and they don't seem to make obvious or exciting manager appointments.

Great shout that, hovering near the relegation zone when Rhol took over, now sitting comfortably in 10th and looking like they could give any side in the division a game.

But he's not a big enough name for Everton, is he? No wonder we are shite.

I think Allegri would have greater ambitions than Roma.

Alongside Walker, Lampard and Benitez, he has to be the worst Everton manager of all time.

Domenico Tedesco.

Right age, good prospects.

Not wanting to stifle the aspirations of Nick's dog Dixie, I think Both Dixie and one of the Monkey World chimps should have a chance to impress.

Anyway, if Allegri's ambitions would rule him out at Roma, that's a bit of a sad indictment on Roma's prospects under the Friedkins in a pretty weak Serie A.

And does the same principle apply to us?

By the way, it's been word soup, celebrations of himself, and blaming others since the day he arrived. Not much has changed here.

He's now two years into the endless task of finding ways to hit the target.

It's inconceivable to me that he's not marched in the next few days.

Well, that's all over now, Sean, so thanks a lot, you got well paid, made a good book about it, and it will be on your CV forever.

Now fuck the fuck off and take your pragmatic negativity with you, after all, it's only business.

No to Moyes, the Kenwright era needs to be consigned to history.

Get a young, radical, innovative coach in place. That's up to the owners to sort. These guys are out there, just need to research and appoint. Easy eh!!!!!!

I used to love merry go rounds as well.

We're two points and two places ahead of the relegation spots. Yes that's crap, but we've got our noses above water. We're in that position despite not bothering to compete in matches.

Dyche has set the lowest possible mark with this side. A new manager will have the room and the opportunity to improve.

Not the miracle I'm alluding to I think we will survive by the skin of our teeth even with Dyche. But the truth is he was killed months ago and a life sized zombie doll put in his place to await the next v̴i̴c̴t̴i̴m̴ coach.

No, the oft requested front foot attacking play married to improved results is the miracle. And I just can't see it from this squad but it will be a fascinating watch.

With Dyche it's different. This squad is rubbish, and he's getting just about the best tune we can reasonably expect him to get out of it.

On balance, sticking with Dyche we might survive, but this team needs a massive kick up the backside, and with a few new faces might have a better chance of turning things around.

Can the club risk relegation in May and wishing they had made the change in January?

For me the change is needed now, and the form/stats are plain to see. It might backfire but the manager and player contracts of this current crop read like an accident waiting to happen.

Also appoint someone now and they have 19 games.

No way on gods green earth is he getting the best out of that squad, we're not even trying to win games fgs.

DCL didn't suddenly lose all ability to score, the team is set up badly playing to Dyche favourites strengths, and those favourites aren't up to it Imo.

Dyche has said today

“We’ve had so many draws and the runs still not really on paper, a bad run if you add wins in it, but we haven’t had wins.”

So basically, if only we'd won more games! To do that you have to try to win, have good attacking coaching and try something innovative when it isn't working.

Utter utter nonsense

You have been gaslighted and brainwashed much like the media who are terrified to ask him any uncomfortable questions and want to believe he's doing an amazing job.

These are his players now.
He's had two full summers to work with these players plus bring in the likes of Beto, Ndiaye, Harrison, O'Brien, Broja, Mangala etc etc etc

He's also got his Burnley henchmen here that were already in place, Keane, McNeil, Tarkowski.

He's got the number 1 England goalkeeper and one of Britain's most sought after central defender's.

Dyche is overseeing an absolute abomination of a record for a second season in succession.

14 game winless streak last season between December and April.

3 wins in 19 this season.

15 goals, FIFTEEN meagre goals scored and in many games not even a shot on goal.

The days we can sit and say he's doing a decent job are a long time gone now.

Between February 2023 and December 2023 I'd say he had a good level of backing.

What's gone on since has completely broken any of that supports willpower and the regression is now on a virtual weekly basis.

Mr Nil-Nil is clueless and never stands up. It would be hard to get a top manager in but £5M a year will attract someone. Thomas Frank for me, if he would come.

Sack useless Dyche and his clueless sidekicks immediately.

I’m done with Dyche, l gave him as long as I could,but today was the end for me.

Dyche out.

But I doubt Dave #67, Lindstrom “ tore up the Bundesliga as a number 10 “ either.

He did brilliantly with the youngsters and could be the man to convince them about EFC. That and he was absolutely fantastic for us.

He had one bad game in charge of the senior squad and every now and then it happens. Just seems to be every week at the moment.

He has been working under difficult circumstances no doubt but there are no excuses. The difficult circumstances and the "noise" he likes to subtly crow about in his pompous pressers all the time have offered him a level of Job protection which is simply unheard of in the premiership era. His overall record, standard of football and his winless streaks combined would have got him the sack 5 times over for any other club in the premiership.

Sean Dyche is one lucky boy to still be a in job. Actually, given his record and the painful dross he coaches every day and then serves up to the fans week after week, its simply incredible he's still the manager of EFC.

His overall stubborn attitude, his cocky I know best demeanour and his inability to develop young talent or even put the youngsters on the bench (2 keepers anyone?) just beggars belief.

Ultimately its the stubborn, god awful, cowardly defensive football he serves up week after week and his you should be grateful attitude that will now hopefully get him the sack.

Given his record and the football being so bad at the moment I honestly don't think anyone could actually do any worse.

SACK HIM RIGHT NOW.

We should be aiming higher than Sean Dyche there are good players in that squad who have had the joy of football coached out of them.

Bournemouth and Brighton have a nack of turning relative managerial unknowns into house hold names, young talented hungry managers are out there but do we as a club know how to identify and find them?

Massimo Allegri
Edin Terzic
Thomas Frank
Danny Rohl
Seb Hoeness
Eric Roy

Appoint Moyes on an 18th month contract and get an upgrade on Dyche who will be a safe pair of hands to oversee the transition into BMD.

I prefer Frank or Allegri, but think the only realistic options are managers out of contract. So it's Moyes or Potter, and I think Moyes would work better in the short term, and would also take an 18 month deal.

Terzic is also out of work, and could be an inspiring, albeit a brave appointment, so my gut feeling is that the new board will go for Prem proven.

I'm not convinced results can get that much worse with this squad. We have defensive players who will give us a chance to be competitive. Competitive teams usually fluke a few wins at worst. We can't even fluke one when we don't try.

This dinosaur still seems to be playing in the 2pts for a win era. It's 3pts for a win, Dyche. It's a worthwhile pursuit.

Up until she was 14 years old she was taught music was fun, entertaining and to be enjoyed. She would play guitar and keyboard to a high standard most evenings. Just because she had passion for it.

When she got a new teacher for gcse she had the fun taught out of her. Music was practical, theory - not for enjoyment.

Gradually she stopped playing in her free time. She told her teacher he'd taken her passion away. His reply? "bullshit"

She can still play guitar and keyboard but 1 year on rarely does.

I think the same is true of our players. Dyche has taken the fun. Just because they don't play attacking goal scoring football, doesn't mean they can't - it's just been taken from them.

And in his press conferences he might as well reply to criticism with "bullshit"

His remark of saying EFC had a problem scoring goals since before he came in gets on my tits. He's the bloody manager, just how long does he want to sort the problem out. He can't sort it out. If he thinks Thelwell has brought in lemons, then bloody say so.
I personally think he has no idea how to improve strikers or players in general. However he knows how to take away their spirit right enough.
He has no trust in youth, though I reckon he brought on Armstrong today to try and dupe the new owners by showing them he was willing to play youngsters. After all one of their objectives is to develop youngsters. Prior to today he would have brought Harrison on.

He must go. A team that cannot score goals will get relegated and I have no faith in Dyche to get EFC scoring goals. The set plays don't work anymore and goals from open play are impossible with the way he sets the team up.

I want him gone

Doing it now gives the new manager a few weeks before our next league game and a good opportunity to look at the first team squad along with the youth squads train so he can work out his 11.

A good manager would be getting these guys together inspiring them to give their best and sidelong players like DCL that won’t sign a new contract. He should have been put in the reserve side and left there immediately.

Dyche himself looks a dead man walking So that’s hardly inspiring for the players.

We need to get these guys together uncertainty out of the club by letting SD go and telling players their contract will be renewed or transfer them. The loanees who are not working out need to be sent back and new players brought in.
We only want players who will play for the shirt.

He never takes responsibility and blames the players and even the fans for making the players feel anxious. We have failed to score in 8 of the last 10 matches but he denies we need a striking coach!

His substitutions are always reactive, never proactive and are usually like for like, giving the opposition nothing new to think about.

His changes are also usually made far too late but since the takeover he's suddenly started making them earlier. I wonder why?

We've been beaten twice by Southampton and in the home game he claimed we controlled the game with 35% possession. The man is delusional!

First shot on target at home to Forest was after 80 minutes. No shots on target away to Arsenal or Bournemouth. A dire home record and one away win in 2024.

I've been going to the game since 1958 but Dyche is draining the anticipation, enthusiasm and enjoyment from me. I no longer look forward to going and most of my friends feel the same. Dyche's hoof ball is demoralising the fans and, I suspect, the players, too.

Have our standards fallen so far that some are still defending this dinosaur?

Get him out of our club and get him out now.

- As fans we've expressed opinions vociferously and publicly for / against appointments. When Periera was mooted after Benitez, there was outrage (graffiti?) and we ended up with likeable but utterly ineffective Frank Lampard. (Those of a certain age will remember the pre-Internet outrage when John Toshack was rumoured to be lined up).

- Those who posit that TFG would have been planning for an overhaul in the summer then raise the issue that any change now would be on a caretaker / interim basis, with all the challenges and risks that throws up.

If a change is to be made, I agree it has to be immediate. One of the mistakes we made was sacking Benitez in a transfer window, after he'd bounced Digne out, and brought in Mykolenko and Patterson. Lampard had limited opportunity to make any changes.

I guess we'll know sooner than we expected what kind of owners TFG are.

Roma went through a bunch of different managers, including some very popular ones, before settling on Raneri.

TFG aren’t afraid to make changes!

Who are you to point the finger at other fans and tell them they are part of the problem ???
I don't see a single Evertonian claiming to be "happy" with what they are witnessing, I don't know where you are getting that from.

Perhaps if they poured misery over every ounce of optimism. Contributed absolutely nothing. Predicted doom and gloom months in advance, Put their hatred of the manager before their love of the club and came on with half-witted predictions before every game. They will be part of the solution - Like you.

Dont you dare try to play the "superior fan" card by criticising fans who support this team with their heart and soul. These fans understand something you clearly don't. If Dyche wins. The team they love wins. Thats why they back him now and will do so until TFG pull the plug and tell him he is no longer in charge.

'Players here are worth 10 times what they were when we got here'. 'We', the three hard-boiled eggs. Jesus. The clown is deluded doing his Bran Glover impressions on the sidelines. He is so many miles away from reality that he is becoming dangerous.

No other manager has made me more angry in my match-going lifetime starting with Catterick. Not even the twat from the Wirral. That was pathetic and sad but my blood was not boiling, I just felt dismal and sad,

But Dyche. He is the proverbial staffy on a chain fella drinking outside a pub at 2PM.

t's pathetic, I know, but I hate him.

Dyche is a

If you can't disagree with somebody else's opinion without accusing them of having lost their ability to think independently, you should be ashamed of yourself.

As should you, Jeff, and you, Daniel, for supporting such an insult.

You're all better than that. Way better.

And refusing not once, twice, three tmes, four times or more, to direct questions put to you.

You gaslighted all of us on that thread who tried to call you out on your actual words.

I'm astonished that for a few days you don't take it easy and here you are trying to shame others.

It might help us if you tell us what parts of #87 we should respond to.

We look forward to more of your predictions.

He will go sooner rather than later but really he should go now.

This dinosaur has sucked the life out of us. I honestly felt like crying watching that performance yesterday – it was soul-destroying.

I ran a straw poll in work on Friday of about 30 match going blues over whether to keep him or sack him: 27 said "Sack him right now"; 2 were undecided; and 1 (a woman) said "Keep him" … well, their opinion is always right, isn't it?

I'd say that's pretty unanimous: them numbers, coupled with what the majority of posters on here are saying, is that we can't all be wrong… can we?

I think they will keep him and, even if we do, I wouldn't trust them to bring anyone in who'd hit the ground running.

This clown would spout his usual mantra, "Not Premier League ready", "Not up to speed" etc etc, while continuing to play the likes of Doucoure, Harrison, and Mykolenko.

He his killing us with this turgid football and anyone defending him needs to go and have a long hard look at themselves.

Ha ha nice change Colin.

The biggest issues are the individuals out of contract in the summer, including Dyche. There's little motivation for them to perform as they're going anyway. Giving them a new contract isn't necessarily the right answer but carrying them also isn't the right answer. The only way the club could be in a worse position is if the club hadn't been sold and the players and manager were out of contract. Fortunately we're not in that position.

If I were the TFG, I'd have gotten rid of Dyche and given the temporary manager money to spend on the January window. I can see why they didn't but it was a very hopeful move.

The only way for Dyche to recover is getting a pacy wide player and goal-scoring striker. Anything else and we'll struggle for the rest of the season. I still think there are three worse teams but it will be super close.

Anthony, that is 'a lot', whether we are talking about money, strategies - we are currently linked with a full back - or Thelwell, who must go in any root and branch reform to get rid of the ancien regime. We keep getting told by one or two on here - mainly from these United States - that the new owners already have a new manager lined up.

Let's wait and see but 'wouldn't it be luverleey',

Too early to call on the new owners and a new manager Anthony.

The fans don't understand he works nonstop and are just wanting a win. We don't understand the noise around the club… yada, yada, fucking yada.

I really get the feeling he doesn't like the club and doesn't care anymore.

For the new owners, is there greater risk to their 'investment' in inaction or by making a change?

Currently we're incapable of scoring goals so therefore cannot expect to win any games either by taking the lead or coming from behind. With the mindset of the current Manager and the coaching staff, that is not going to change which means we'll continue to play the 'lottery' each week i.e. hope other rubbish teams don't win.

If I'm TFG, that isn't acceptable and makes no sense.

For me, there can only be less risk (and a potential upside) in taking action on the basis that I don't see how anybody can do any worse.

I said "If you're still backing Dyche, then your accepting this crap he's serving up."

If that upsets you, tough.

It's a bit different this time, mate.

I was at the Norwich game when Benitez reached the end and, whilst we backed the team, it was obvious, even before that game, that Benitez was not wanted and blamed for everything that went wrong.

With Dyche, a lot of the supporters have sympathy for him due to the squad limitations so I've not yet seen it turn ugly.

I couldn't get a ticket for the Bournemouth game (only 1,800 available for this one game), so I don't know what it was like but, at the recent Arsenal game, as I said at the time, the away end was different. The singing wasn't joined up. There was a sort of begrudged defiance that Arsenal would not pass but, at the same time, a weary acceptance that we wouldn't have a go.

The anger towards Dyche and his tactics seems to be building now, and his post-match comments are fueling that fire. I don't know what the reception the team got at the end of the Bournemouth game but I do know that the fans are still behind the players. There's not been any “shithouse, you” thrown at individual players like at games in the past (Brentford away under Benitez was very ugly, for example).

But the mood against Dyche is taking a big swing after every dour performance. Those decent results against Arsenal Chelsea and Man City bought him some grace. That's gone now and I'll be very surprised if he's in the dugout by the time we play Brighton away.

My only worry is who will come in and save us from being relegated with this very poor squad? And they really are poor to a great degree. I haven't got anyone I can think of who would give me any confidence they could do that… but I have to admit – it's a poor reason for keeping Sean Dyche in charge.

Will you bag a ticket for Brighton (A)? A little hop for you? Fingers crossed.

Also agree that Dyche makes my blood boil more than any other, I can't work out why.

How about the one person in my life right now who is destroying something I love?

I was hoping yesterday would be one of those suprise results, but we've got no right to expect a result away from home. Villa is another good chance for us to cause an upset.

And some of the shouts above for a new manager are questionable. Moyes was hounded out by West Ham fans for the same reason many here want rid of Dyche; dire football, no goals and few wins. Carsley is a coach, not a manager.

I still think we should stick it out with Dyche. Wins under him tend to come in clusters, so keeping the faith might just pay off. And I don't think the club are in a position to pay him off.

Another point – I personally want Dyche gone asap but I want Everton to win every time. If my turning up to back the team helps (in some little way) to get that win, then I'll turn up. No way will I turn my back on the team to get rid of a manager. 3,000 of us went to Norwich that time to back the team. Not a single one wanted Benitez. We're backing Everton FC – not Dyche or Allardyce or Benitez.

I'm looking forward to Thursday. Possibly my last ever cup game at Goodison – but I hope it isn't and, even if that buys Dyche another week, then I'll take the win any day.

As we're maxed out on loans, who is available that is affordable and won't impact PSR, and can hit the ground running? A new manager alone will not resolve matters.

As for the dilemma of who should replace Dyche, I still think an attack-minded manager would do well because we have had good defensive coaching. A defense that makes the odd mistake at the moment because they have no attacking release or goals scored.

Given PSR, I'd go for Potter. I think he'd get us up the table this season and, given time, he might do something long term. Guardiola is a better judge than me.

And Dyche's only 'cluster' (ie, more than one a month) of wins in recent memory came back in April.

I don't see that Dyche has done a good job at Everton at all. His record is abysmal and the football is right there with the worst I have witnessed from Everton.

Just because we didn't get relegated doesn't mean he did a good job, regardless of the circumstances. I am sorry but I want and expect more from Everton and refuse to accept that escaping relegation makes it okay.

We might have a poor squad but he constantly picks certain players regardless of their form and, when they continue to under-perform, that is therefore on him.

He does have options, albeit limited, but he sets up the same way with the same under-performing players and, surprise, surprise, we get the same poor results. He never was, isn't, and never will be good enough to manage Everton FC in my opinion.

I am now hoping that the new owners have higher aspirations for our great club than the incumbents of the last 20 to 30 years.

I'm not defending his tactics, but it's not the fix some on here seem to think it might be. You don't make years of mismanagement and decline disappear 'just like that'.

Applying that old ToffeeWeb saw that "The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" she asks why not choose a woman manager?

He should have gone months ago.

Over the last few seasons, it's been a combination of Richarlison, Branthwaite, Doucoure, McNeil and Pickford. Doucoure is past it now, but in the previous 2 seasons he did his bit.

Dyche has somehow stolen a very affluent living being a football manager.

Oh, and which players would sign up for Everton, knowing that the manager and probably the Director of Football are gone by the summer? We'll end up with more mercenaries rather than players buying into Project Everton!

Or we roll the Dyche and get in a manager that TFG have identified for the long term and back him now. Yes the risk is that we go down as it takes time for a new manager to implement their style etc… but at least it would be someone that they plan to invest in for the long term.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't… To be honest, that is how it feels right now.

If not... Why not!?!

My biggest fear is the next managerial appointment. Will our new owners get it right?

Another journeyman British manager or 'lost his mojo' foreign manager should not be entertained.

It's a worry.

‘How about the one person in my life right now who is destroying something I love?'

That's a great way of putting it, Paul. There is no one single person I want out of my life right now more than Sean Dyche.

Not only are the footballing reasons there for Dyche to go, but he also repeatedly makes comments that suggest he thinks he's doing what's right, doesn't need to change, and the problem is the players.

I can't believe this is an actual debate anymore, he's lost the plot (clearly, listening to his post-match comments yesterday, banging on about how this run would be ok with wins??????).

20% Paul, if TFG act now.

He made it pretty clear that the job here is to work with the players we have.

On that basis I can’t see any change in manager for the moment, unless the ownership panic like they have done at Roma. We’re stuck with this dreadful squad, a manager who can only see clean sheets as a way of keeping us up, and the inevitable unwatchable football that goes with those two things.

Could any other manager get a tune out of these players? I have absolutely no idea, but I can’t remember a worse team than this.

The cost incurred in replacing him is the contract value of the replacement. For this season that might be 2 to 3 £million. The real risk is picking the right man for the job in my opinion.

It is a real dilemma for TFG which I am sure they would have discussed during the time they were waiting for approval of their ownership.

If TFG could get him I would go for Allegri and give him the funds, PSR permitting, for a couple of players. From what I have read about him he is a manager who is pragmatic enough to make the most of the players available to him. I think that is what is required for the immediate future.

One thing is for certain, if he is replaced, there will be many who will be on to complain about the choice of the new manager once announced.

Howe and the two managers who face each other tomorrow evening were mooted for the job in the not too distant past and all faced a high level of criticism on this forum.

What is certain, with 26 days to go before the window closes, is that without a number of improvements been added to the squad and the return to full fitness of the long term injured players we will struggle to pick up wins as we don't look like scoring.

We have definitely regressed from last year, with the exception of Pickford and Young, can anyone name another player who is playing as well as they did last year?

We are in a league of 6 at the moment:

Palace
Us
Wolves
Ipswich
Leicester and
Southampton

Palace look as if they could detach themselves from the other 5 and Southampton look doomed, therefore it's 2 from 4.

Our new owners, based upon what they did in Italy, will go for a manager with experience, particularly in light of our current position.

Seeing that this team has been struggling for wins for a while under Dyche, I would have thought that the TFG group must surely have seen that. So it was apparent a couple of months back that they would get approval for the takeover from the premier league, so given the poor results surely they must have considered making a change when they got control. Maybe they have already spoken to potential new managers and will now make that decision sooner than they had planned.

As for who they appoint I don't know, but quite a few clubs over the last few years have brought in managers who many had never heard of, and they have done well with their clubs. So this is no time to be frightened of change, as at present thats our only hope.
I think a new manager might give some of our players a bit more belief in their ability to attack and score and it will certainly give the fans a huge boost. I think the option is stick with Dyche and get relegated or try somebody new in the hope he can turn things around and avoid relegation.

The squad is definitely better than it is being coached to perform. We need someone who can be the catalyst to achieve that.

These lads have played in the top division in England, Germany, Italy and France. Quite a few have played International football and a couple of the older heads have even played Champions League football.

We're not expecting miracles and scintillating football, but I refuse to believe that they aren't better than what Dyche is currently getting out of them.

Our results are poor, and have been for over a year now, but our football is spineless and turgid. Negative and defeatist, we're the worst team to watch in the entire division.

He is an awful manager.

(BTW, 27 points last season would have seen us safe so I'm not sure why he gets so much credit for keeping us up. Surely any half decent manager could get 27 points?)

What good would more instability do, especially when you have a ton of players with contracts about to end. New manager bounce? Really, is that what people want to rely on?

I'm no Dyche fanboy, but who would realistically replace him, and get this group of players suddenly pulling up trees and flying up the league? Can any manager change them that much? I don't see how, and while we're awful to watch, we don't lose as many games as the teams around us because we don't concede many. We score fuck all but we still don't lose many.

It's diabolical viewing, painful at times, so painful yesterday I didn't even bother to watch it and we lost 1-0 anyway so I don't feel I missed anything.

Dychian philosophy says that 6 draws is better than 2 wins and 4 defeats and that's the mindset you need to be able to follow a Dyche team without being in a state of near constant distress and anger over the way the team performs.

He'll also point to injuries to McNeil, Iroegbunam and Garner as contributing factors to how difficult it's all been.

Also the Friedkins - at Roma they knee-jerk sacked Mourinho and Totti and made themselves incredibly unpopular and now Roma are 10th but only 4 points off the relegation zone and about 12 points off a European spot so new managers have made little difference there.

It feels at the moment, as though while Everton are not in the bottom 3 there's not a huge chance of a change, and the real bottom line who can A) take over, and B) make an impact on the limited squad.

I would argue that there's barely a manager alive who can make this group of players tick. Dyche is a fire-fighter at best and possibly will continue to have the backing because stability is important to business owners, and currently they have that - albeit on pretty thin ice.

A few good results for our rivals and a few bad results for us and you might see things change, but until then I think he's going nowhere.

You've put it better than I could. It's Catch-22 for the owners. Or damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Outside the top 5, only Bournemouth have conceded less goals than we have (23 to our 25). This brings a certain stability, which owners like, and Dyche loves.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but I do feel it'll be the thing that's buying him time.

The media (who don't really look closely at the clubs outside of the top four) just think he has had his hands tied and he is doing a reasonable job with poor players.

I have backed the guy through some tough runs and was impressed with how he managed things through those points deductions to what would have been a decent points total last year.

However, the excuses have worn thin. Domenic has been fit and we have spent money on Beto and Chemitti and at last Broja was playing. Mangala is okay too.

It is clear what is going wrong.

We do not get enough men forward quickly enough.

The midfield is slow and can only do one job at a time. Our wingers are not really wingers.

We are only dangerous from set-pieces.

Dyche doesnot know how to keep goals out at the same time as being able to score ourselves.

Now Sean clearly blames his players. Perhaps he is right.

But I honestly thought that we looked stronger this season.

What we did see was a terrible start to the season.

Subsequently we have lost Garner and Tim Iroegbunam from our midfield options which is a blow.

However I would suggest that Dyche has been too reluctant to blood our youngsters.

Surely Roman Dixon could have been given a decent run. He has pace. Armstrong was brought on yesterday, but again he could have been included more often.

I think Dyche is panicking. He is running out of options.

He ended up playing Domenic and Beto but really it would have been better to get Patterson further forward to provide some service that just have two totem poles waiting for the ball.

We need midfileders willing to run past the strikers. We need interplay on the edge of the box, we need crosses from the flanks.

Instead our players are instructed to lump it long in the hope we might get a free kick or corner.

Mykolenko used to try to get forward. He is obviously under strict instructions not to.

It's mostly Dyche's fault.

The most obvious example of the manager's subborness is his picking of Doucoure. The lad is giving the ball away regularly, causing us lots of problems, he ruins attacks and his passing is terrible. Yet Gana got subbed yesterday and Duke stayed on.

It is Dyche.

Finally, most coaches have two or three years where their ideas are interesting to their team. Then they either change staff to freshen things up or bring in new players who haven't got bored with their shit.

This group have listened to his very dull doctrine for two years now. It hasn't been good to watch, it can't be fun to be involved with and it must be depressing.

Branthwaite and Calvert-Lewin would be insane to stay.

As Ernie and others point out, we can definitely play better as am attacking force - with better passing patterns and more imaginative set pieces. A new manager could make a difference there - and I think both Moyes and Potter would work hard on that (other managers are available too of course but these remain the most likely by some distance).

However, we are still limited by a poor group of players assembled on the cheap. We absolutely don't have better players than the likes of Bournemouth and Brentford.

So as others have pointed out, replacing the manager is not a solution to our troubles. We need investment in the playing squad too - and PSR rules are still biting this window (as well as the Friedkin's general reluctance to spend money).

Any new manager is going to ask about transfer budgets, length of contract etc. Last season Palace got Glasner and he did really well - but he did also get £30m to buy Wharton and Munoz - both of whom would walk into our side and improve it.

For me, the biggest issue is how much can / will the Friedkins spend in January to help us edge away from the relegation places - especially given that our relegation rivals will all be looking to spend / improve too.

The blame must ultimately lie with the manager but I can't help blame several of the coaching staff and players as well.

We have strikers that seem unable to score, a midfield that seems unable to pass the ball and a defence that generally is unable to play out from the back.

This leaves us with one option of hoofing the ball over the heads of everyone and hoping a blue shirt can get on the end of it and get a lucky shot, corner or free kick.

The medical staff also need looking at going by the amount of injuries and set backs the players seem to get.

Now is time to reset and for me get someone in on a short contract to see us to the end of the season.

Potter, Moyes or even Allardyce would be better than the current choice.

As mentioned by others we will need to spend wisely in January to make marked improvements. If this means getting rid of strikers unable to find the net then so be it - time to stop being a club that is constantly looking back and start looking to the future and what could be achieved.

The mismanagement of Everton, is hopefully nearly over but with so many average footballers nearing the end of their contracts, who knows how toxic, or how many people really care in the Everton changing rooms right now?

That’s a terrible thing to say, and hopefully this is me clutching at straws and being nowhere near the truth, but sometimes actions speak louder than words, especially when you look at Everton and how bereft of confidence they look right now.

The manager said he never told the players to perform like they did in the first half of the Forest game, but still picked the same team again, except for the one position he changed, where he decided to play a player who doesn’t look like he even wants to be out on the pitch, playing on the wing.

These are very worrying times because Everton won’t survive another season if they carry on playing like we currently are

If he stays he may have to take the blame for relegating us, but he would place the blame elsewhere as he never takes responsibility. The upside is if he stays and we stay up. He’d never be short of rescue work. We knew what we were getting and were glad of the lifeline. But it’s hard to stomach year after year. I’m out of Alka seltzer.

I don't detest him. I feel a tad sorry for him. I do though hate his (lack of) style of football.

Ultimately, we are in yet another relegation nightmare scenario. To get out of it we need to win games, and Sean Dyche simply doesn't know how to do that.

Out. But only when we have the next Saviour ready and waiting.

Hopefully both come good and maybe Thelwell is trying to build a young team but was/is this our priority at present. The lack of creativity in the team has been blindingly obvious. Also how were these signings expected to work under Dyche who has the worst record of playing U23 players when compared to all 60 odd managers who’ve had over 100 EPL games? Not a criticism of the two players but there seems to be a disconnect here between DoF and manager.

Add in the likes of Maupay and Beto, would TFG trust Thelwell/Dyche with any transfer funds? Tosun and Walcott under a previous regime spring to mind as January panic buys. I wonder if TFG plan to see the season out as-is and gamble on the ineptitude of other teams keeping us up?

He told me to watch for the odds when Dyche is sacked and to lump on Terzic.

I asked him why him and he just told me to do it... may be bollocks but you never know

I often watch the EFL goals highlights on ITV, and I can't understand why I see so much passing theball fowards and well worked goals. The 2nd Mansfield goal was well worked out, a simple goal but well taken. What the hell goes on at Finch Farm?

BTW I keep seeing comments about "who would want this job right now?"

I kind of think the opposite "why wouldn't you want the job right now?"

I know we aren't in great position squadwise but what a fantastic opportunity with such low expectations.

Great fanbase
Great history
Best new stadium in the country
Enthusiastic new owners
Chance to be a legend

Cant think of a better job right now

I think it’s more of a case of the dressing room being split rather than lost Stu, not surprising really.

I completely agree with your view on Managers wanting this job and I would throw in the 6th highest paid Managers job in the Premier League as an additional reason, not that this still needs to be the case going forward.

He mentioned that due to terrible signings they’re screwed for years, aren’t developing youngsters and can only afford substandard journeymen. I know it’s only a season ticket holders opinion, even though he says he’s a semi pro himself, but he sounds perfect for Moshiri’s Everton.

I realise that I might get to regret that statement at my leisure but the lack of goals is a huge worry. You can’t win games without goals, simple as that.

Would I be prepared to accept Moyes on an interim basis until the end of the season? Oof. I’ve always thought that you should never go back but… hmmm, dunno.

In fairness, TFG are the experts and should have plans B, C and D all lined up and ready to go.

Hang on in there. Texas is 6 hours behind us so there's still hope for today!

I am sick to death of his manager. Get him out Now!!!

I’m still trying to fathom out what this means? Do you mean Dyche is playing fans who back him, or are taking coaching sessions at Finch Farm? I’ve yet to see a 55 year old fat fucker, who backs Dyche, playing in goal for us, or another one down the other end trying to knock the goals in?

So come on Paul, please explain, there must be some weird logic to your insane post?

What are we supposed to do?

Booing the team is a no no in my book as it does no good and gives the supporters and fans of other clubs a stick to beat us with.

Do we march or maybe write to the club?

I don't think anything posted on TW has any effect whatsoever.

Personally I don't think Thelwell has done a bad job, though I realise more than a few here have a different view, but I sense he doesn't share Dyche's approach to how the game is played. Dyche was appointed by Kenwright wasn't he? Not sure if Thelwell had any input. This would at least explain some of the disconnect.

That's not to say he'd be a huge hit with us - it's a very tall order and would be a very steep learning curve for a young coach who only really has experience of managing a very well assembled side (which he underperformed with in the league).

If Terzic were to come to Everton, I strongly suspect he'd be wanting (at least):

- a RB with the pace / stamina to dominate the flank
- a RW with pace (ideally left footed) and goal threat

If you take account of reasonable credible rumours, this might leave us with something like:

Pickford
Wesley (from Flamengo) / Jelert (Danish RB not having the best of starts at Galatasary)
Mykolenko
Tarkowski
Branthwaite
Mangala
Garner / Iroegbunam (when fit)
McNeil / Lindstrom
Ndiaye
Nuamah (from Lyon) / Akgun (from Besiktas, who previously had an unsuccessful loan with Leicester)
DCL / Beto / Broja

I think we'd also see the last of Doucoure and Harrison, whom I expect Terzic would see as just far too limited despite their hard work defensively.

The incoming players are not exactly world beaters - but they would hopefully allow things to come together from a footballing point of view.

By all accounts Friedkin is not really a football aficionado so would only be doing the final hiring, and the firing. Perhaps there is some truth in the Ashworth rumour - would he be a good bet to be tasked with the hiring brief? Or would we be relying on Thelwell?

Then, if we lose to Villa, he'll hopefully be gone.

Exactly Bill, big Dan is currently tucking into his Back Bacon, waffles with Syrup asking himself, now what was it I needed to do today.

We need someone who will pick a better team from the players available, which is certainly possible, and have a more attacking outlook.

I didn't get a good reaction to my Baines/Carsley suggestion a few weeks ago but I'm sticking to it. Baines has the common sense to do the right things and Carsley some good experience so get them to steer the ship untill the end of the season is my shout, with 2 or 3 good signings.

Your points were spot on.

What sort of football do we want to play – taking into account the players we have and those we would like to have? And who is best to implement that. And when.

I can't imagine the answer to those questions being 'Sean Dyche', so he must go, but the fact that proposed alternatives being offered vary from Potter to Moyes to Carsley shows how dumb the 'just sack him' reflexes of some fans are. We have paid the price for this sort of thinking time and again already; it's how we ended up with the Fat Spanish Waiter, and it nearly sank our club.

Most urgently, we/ the Friedkins need to decide what sort of football we want to see. Then, do we have the right DoF and senior team in place to hire the right manager/head coach to deliver it? We should not wait until the end of the season to do this; we should start now (should be done already), and THEN we let go of Dyche with thanks and grace as soon as we can answer those questions, but not before. It needs to be during this season and as soon as possible, as we need to be attacking the summer with the right team and plans from the get-go. So Thelwell is the more urgent call for me - I don't know how he might perform in different circumstances (as was the case with Brands before him), but we need to make an urgent call now and not wait on his role either way.

If we do get some wins and gain some confidence in staying up - as they did with Ranieri in Roma - we may need to consider an interim manager to get us through until the summer. I'd hate to miss out on the best realistic managers just because we pulled the trigger in February when the best was unavailable.

Then I think we should be looking for ambitious, intelligent coaches (Dyche just doesn't seem that bright to me, and neither did Moyes, Koeman or Allardyce) who look to play aggressive, pacey and attacking football, aligned to a plan set out by the right DoF. I would look at someone like Danny Rohl at Sheff Wed... he's still a young and ambitious coach but was already an Assistant at Red Bull, Bayern and the German national team; he is a bright spark and speaks well (he had a stint on TV in the Euros) and he saved Wednesday from relegation last season, having taken over with them adrift at the bottom, and now he has them in mid-table and looking upwards toward a playoff push. Fans there adore him, and the football is miles better than ours. He has a very high potential ceiling.

If it's not him, it needs to be someone like him - not another 'proven Prem manager' who has failed elsewhere, has preconceived ideas about us and is looking for just another payday. I'd exclude Thomas Frank from that category, but not most of the usual suspects like Moyes...

It doesn't get Dyche off the hook, but we must keep our heads and make good, positive decisions. Sacking someone without a plan for what comes next - that can be clearly set out to fans - is not a good, positive decision.

Poor Gary O'Neil is still odds on at the top, even though he hasn't got a new job yet!

No you did not say "accepting". You said "Happy with". Its still there in post 19.

You also told us they were part of the problem - Genius

Those who think attacking the support of other fans is the solution, simply lack the understanding of the problem/s this club faces.

It may not stop you giving an opinion, but it does prevent you from giving a credible one.

Totally agree that Solanke, Isak etc are supported in the forward line - but not by other strikers. They are supported by wing-forwards like Son, Gordon etc (which are all the rage) and attacking midfielders like Maddison and Joelinton.

These are the players we sorely lack - along with quality full-backs.

Add Gordon, Richarlison, Sigurdsson, Digne and a much younger Coleman to our present First XI and we'd be fine.

Doucoure should be dropped and replaced with Ndiaye.

Play Harrison left mid where he played for Leeds.

Try Chermitti or Patterson right mid.

Start Beto, Broja could be out for weeks and DCL isn't arsed. As shite as Beto is there isn't anyone who tries harder.

I can't see Dyche lasting much longer playing the same out of form players.

As others posters have pointed out, no teams play 2 strikers through the middle, it's more fluid than that. We've always looked woeful with DCL and AN Other under Dyche.

As a non contributing Doom monger who wants to piss on any suggestion that doesnt involve screaming instructions at new owners - Who probably don't know TW exists yet.... Can you please outline the reasons you are part of the solution ?

For fuck's sake, Ipswich are winning!

Has the postponed derby delayed fan pressure and TFG judgment or action?

Win - Dyche sees out his contract with our blessing.
Draw - Tactics vindicated, survives the January window
Lose - Current mood x 10.

Historically, we'd soon be turning to a Dyche-like figure to secure survival. Will our fortunes change with him or do we risk hiring someone who (as #76 Ernie Baywood beautifully puts it) views 3 points for a win as a worthwhile pursuit?

Hard agree.

He's identified a problem but clearly is incapable of attempting to fix it as he stated the only solution was to buy a top striker "that costs big money".

In the last calendar year 04/01/24 to 05/01/25 it's 10 wins in 42 competitive matches. That's bad. He needs to go.

He's identified a problem but clearly is incapable of attempting to fix it as he stated the only solution was to buy a top striker "that costs big money".

In the last calendar year 04/01/24 to 05/01/25 it's 10 wins in 42 competitive matches. That's bad. He needs to go.

From what I understand, we can't make a loss of more than £38M, anything over that and we may be in trouble again.

Any points deduction will relegate us this time. Only consolation is Leicester City also in the same boat.

Obviously I could not bring myself to ever like Benitez .

Dyche more or less said he can't do it, by his assertion that the issue has been there for a long time and it is getting worse...

Taxi

I agree with all of that. I don't really see it as a gamble, more a requirement that Dyche goes.

We don't know if the players are good enough but we can't change the players – we can only change the Manager.

The buck stops here; he has already passed the point of no return, lost the players and fans; the reliance on three other teams being worse than us will not save us this time.

I hope to God Dan Friedkin is not going to sit on his hands and wait and see; it's only half-way through the season but the table doesn't lie. Dyche is already gone… someone just needs to realize it.

The Friedkin Group need to ask Coleman and Pickford for the truth. Give it to Baines for the remainder of this season, assisted by Seamus. We are going down as it stands and they will put the passion back into this limited squad.

I can't wait to get into the new stadium, I won't miss Goodison — It's been a horrible place to go to for seasons.

I wondered the same thing but personally doubt it will. Dyche will be gone, hopefully we're still in the Premier League, and hopefully we astutely rebuild.

I think the main demonstration of our discontent by not attending ended (mid 90s?) when we went so heavily into season tickets so the massive drop off in attendances when we we were awful no longer occurred.

Same as other clubs at the time, although some of the more successful “entertainment package” clubs now want to reduce their season ticket numbers. Signs of the times.

We will sell every season ticket and still have a waiting list. The days when it mattered how many people attended are long gone thanks to the Sky monies.

Like many above, I hope TFG have already been assessing managerial replacements and hope we find a young relatively unknown manager, like Bournemouth and Brighton have done.

A lot of the names being banded about are too similar to Dyche in playing styles. We need a rethink on how high we play as our current method of 9 outfield players in a 5-yard width on the edge of our box will lead to more defeats than 0-0 draws and, as is painfully obvious, never brings a goal and a victory.

Get rid of the awful Dyche now! It's not too late yet, Everton. Make a move!!!

I would imagine, if we play like we are playing at the moment, or if we drop to the Championship, those packages will struggle to sell out at times.

Obviously, relegation to the Championship would be a bigger blow to finances than not selling out every game, but empty seats would be embarrassing and depressing.

Or is that just the hospitality boxes?

Worth a punt on a new manager.

That's from Yoda asking.

Sorry I wasn't aware that there were “match by match” tickets. However, I still think these would still sell out – even in the Championship.

My son-in-law is a fanatical Leeds United fan and he says the Leeds fans are enjoying the football in the Championship with no VAR, more teams in with a realistic chance of winning each week, and as he says, not going to the match fearing defeat in every game.

He thinks the football is better in the Championship because more teams want to get into the promotion and playoff positions than are just hanging in trying not to get relegated, which probably 14 teams in the Premier League are doing most seasons.

Because of this, teams are trying harder to win rather than draw games, making the matches much more enjoyable.

Also, I'd contest your characterization of the Friedkins "knee-jerk" sacking Mourinho and De Rossi (not Totti). Mourinho was sacked because his club was underperforming TFG's significant investment, both in him and new players, and because he was almost out of contract and local hero De Rossi was available. And from what I've read, De Rossi was sacked after forcing a showdown with the club CEO, who had the owner's backing. A messy situation, not well handled but not necessarily all the Friedkins' fault. Hopefully they will have learned from it.

Andrew #190, you make a great argument, but I think you reckon without the fact that the Friedkins are not football people -- they are business people, success people. I do not believe they will make a single decision based on "what sort of football we want to see." They will choose a CEO, then if necessary a DoF and a manager, based entirely on their perceived potential for winning matches.

These folks built a car empire based on delivering consumer values, not the styles and colors of the cars. They won't care how we win, just that we win. They didn't hire Mou at Roma because he plays stylish footy. They hired him because of his silverware collection.

I believe you are absolutely 100% spot on in your hopes that the Friedkins will sack Dyche only if they have a plan for who and what comes next. I just think it might not be the plan you're hoping for in terms of exciting football.

We are all speculating that TFG have been talking to managers about replacing Dyche and taking over the management role, whether on an interim or full-time role.

But... What if everyone they have spoken to, who TFG really want have said "No", or are waiting to see where Everton are at the end of the season?

It's all well and good us TWers saying get him or whomever, but, what if nobody wants the job – especially if TFG are actually saying that they can't add to the squad till after June?

Does anyone actually know what our PSR situation is currently?

At least he wouldn't blame every man and his dog.

Unbelievable, Jeff.

Heavens, what a browbeaten bunch that so many of you are! The widespread acceptance of the insipid – no – make that vastly diluted levels of acceptability.

Deep Deep Deep shame upon you! "Arkwright" and his corner shop petty mentality has infected far too many here.

"be grateful", "things could be worse, "let's not change the manager"

You bloody sad, sad, sad pathetic excuses for true Evertonians!

William Ralph & Sir John would rightly brush you aside.

Onwards Evertonians!

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum!

Rise Up and Be Strong!

The Friedkins have come and there's work to be done!

We don't create, we don't play football, we don't attack with any purpose, we have zero shots, zero threat and we are just sleep-walking to a serious relegation battle that we don't have the ability to try and get out of with such negative football!

Not once yesterday did I get excited or believe we would score. It's not just yesterday, Dyche is sucking the life from the support, the support that's got behind worse sqauds than this one but the manner in which we are losing games is soul-destroying!

The players must be sick of it! They know it's not working, players like Lindstrøm and Ndiaye being asked to basically play as full-backs, six across the back, several times yesterday.

The tactics are so one-dimensional, the set-pieces are just ridiculous, everyone knows it's going back out to Tarkowski, who isn't even winning them or creating anything from them! No variety, no invention, nothing. The same week-in & week-out!

For the first time in the last few years, I'm terrified that we just don't have the goals to stay up! Are we actually capable of winning 4 or 5 before the end of the season? I just can't see it playing this way!

Teams find a way! We are not even trying to find a way. It's all too depressing. This is what he's paid to do, he's not doing it!

Name one player who's improved consistently under Dyche? I can't! Let him go! Wish him well!

I'd rather get relegated having a go than going down this sad, embarrassing way that we are playing right now!

Think it's on UK Gold + right now!

Did they sack their managers and immediately announce a replacement or did they do what our club usually does and sack their managers and have a period of uncertainty and speculation before announcing the new guy?

If it's the former then maybe they are trying to get someone ready to go before announcing?

It's get the team behind the ball and hope something breaks for us. With new owners and a new state-of-the-art stadium, Dyche is killing any optimism of a bright future.

I just hope the owners put their stamp on their new investment quickly!

You've mellowed...

Can I also ask how your non-acceptance of "the insipid" is going? Let me know when your next protest march is happening or is that nonsense you just posted actually it?

Small mercies and all that. 😁

I thought all those quotes were from Dyche's last press conference?

Those Portsmouth fans going back home from Sunderland after another defeat!

Get rid of the awful Dyche NOW. It's not too late yet, Everton

I bet if we did bring Duncan back, it would inspire the ball boys! Whether or not he'd inspire the team... erm? 🤔🤔

I mean, if you look at the current situation, we have new owners with an apparent itchy trigger finger.

Everton are struggling with the PSR issues till at least probably June, or is it from December '24; I've lost track now?

Which means not a lot to spend, unless of course we sell, and just who would we be selling in January and for how much?

If you were going to take over this squad, would you be sure that you could get more out the players? I mean sure? As currently (albeit in trying circumstances) they don't show much technical skill or footballing intelligence...

Then of course, who would you be reporting to?
We don't currently have a permanent CEO (and Colin Chong is no footballing CEO)

Will Thelwell be kept on, and if so, in what capacity and duration? Not to mention would Thelwell want to work with a manager not of his choice, which may lead to more disruption?

How involved will the owners be? Will they interfere with footballing decisions, much akin to Moshiri? Or will they let the footballing professionals get on with it?

Then of course, other than coming for a payday? In which case, would we want someone who has come for money?

So the question remains, whom, of the required quality and calibre, would want to come to Everton now?

Yes, anyone would for a pay cheque, but who would come to keep us up, and the project?

Maybe, just maybe, we're stuck with Dyche for the short term?

Maybe a solution would be Thelwell being instructed to bring in extra coaching staff (fresh voices and in the required areas, say a set piece coach and an attacking coach?) to help Dyche?

We are all in the 'Suck it and see Saloon' until TFG eventually make some decisions...

Just my rambling thoughts, 'tis all.

I heard he was at Manchester Airport plane spotting but missed them too.

For fuck's sake, Man! I'm off again.

"Were all in the "suck and see saloon" until TFG eventually make some decisions"

What you mean they aren't logged on here searching for advice ?

They havent read the "SACK THE FUCKER NOW !!!!" demands ?.

I guess it explains why he is still here, but it doesn't explain who the demands are aimed at

Good point. I remember the mantra not so long ago was "sacking the manager isn't the solution" given the owner and Board we had in place.

The new owners have only just come in, all of the Board positions haven't been permanently filled yet but "sack the manager" has suddenly become the obvious solution.

Please don't go! Or is that a song title? Hehe.

Sorry mate, I've read all the posts (I need help!) on here, and it does tend to cause a degree of depression, disappointment and even apathy!

Colin [254]

I would hope that TFG never even hear of TW, or they might try and sell (give even?) the club back to Moshiri! Hehe 😬

We do seem to be a very 'reactionary' lot. In this case, though, with good reason, but given the current situation, we do need to be a little more circumspect, like Andrew Taylor at [190] said.

Could we direct the 'Dyche out, if that's alright?' to our adorable DoF Kevin Thelwell?

In any case, any views on what I posted?

I was literally typing a Talking Point article, and was 80% thru it, when I tried to add a link and the whole page locked up! So I gave up.

One of the main points was that TFG only took over on 19 December – and what can they do in that time?

What really disappoints me with the takeover situation is that TFG haven't seemingly had a plan formulated before coming on board, so that they could hit the ground running.

As we've both stated or intimated, we only have a minimal Board, an Executive Chairman, Colin Chong as an Interim CEO, and a Director, who is also still a Director at Roma...

Cracking isn't it!?

However ,going back to 'Latest incumbent out!' has worked (long term) when?

All it has done is create a Frankenstein squad, and also the quality players we had have all aged. See Doucoure since he joined, Seamus has been retained as an essential player whereas in reality he should have been replaced several years ago... nb: I'm not having a go at Seamus, I'm having a go at the club! Plus others...

What would your thoughts be on having Dyche have a couple of coaches thrust upon him? Maybe even have Thelwell take some responsibilities off him? Like heading up the training sessions, oh, the team selection and the tactics maybe? 😋😉 Hehe

As things stand, I presume that would be Thelwell but, if rumours are to be believed, he could be on the way with, if not before, Dyche. I can envisage a scenario whereby, early next week, Thelwell is replaced (would Dan Ashworth fulfil the DoF role?) – although personally I don't believe he deserves the sack – swiftly followed by Dyche exiting stage left to be replaced by a new coach already lined up.

It could well be that Thelwell might have been involved already with TFG regarding a potential replacement for Dyche although he doesn't strike me as a man who would be comfortable with any behind-the-scenes planning (or should that read 'plotting'?).

It really is a mess, all this speculation, and the longer it goes on, the more weird and wonderful theories and scenarios will be presented. This has just been mine, aided (or addled) by a couple or more stiff G & T's this afternoon.

ps: Thank you, Fulham, for keeping us above the mighty Ipswich for at least another 11 days at least.

A Sensei doesn't engage in hypotheticals like that... especially after a bottle of saké.

Hope you have a great 2025!

It's very evident that isn't the way the club operated in recent years. The shortlist of Dyche and Bielsa proved that. What possible footballing strategy did they both fit?

So it's an interim appointment for me while the club sorts out the leadership roles and strategy.

Leaving Dyche in the role is accepting his standards for another 5 months and that can't happen. It's already bad enough that he has lowered the standards and expectations at the club for 2 years. There's no time like the present to start reversing that situation.

I honestly think it will be Moyes on a 6-month deal. Maybe with a strategic planning support role bolted on to ease his transition into moving upstairs in his career, assuming that's what he wants to do. For what it's worth, I think he'd be a very good Director of Football.

He's improved AS Roma immeasurably this season and I wonder if he wouldn't be a candidate to replace the woeful Dyche

This season started badly for us, settled a little, then stuttered and stammered, we now have just the managers take on things, at club level anyway.

This site has many varied contributors, which is exactly right when the club has such a large fanbase, and the combined wisdom, conjecture and hope written here is a great read.

The single most notable and common denominator is that you are all fans, and you care about your club, and it's great to hear all the opinions expressed here.

I don't know how much filters through to the new owners, but I expect they know how skittish the previous board were when fan pressure rose to breaking point.

My feeling is that the groundswell of opinion is rising again, and I read it on these threads, there are some really well informed opinions on here, and massive passion, I want to hear that from our new owners, and see it on the park.

I'm not a neutral spectator when I watch Everton, I've watched for 60 years, the current coaching staff are just a passing moment, but in this moment they are not a good fit.

We need better now, we are on the threshold of a new beginning, new owners, and a new stadium, shout if you have to, our history will count for nothing if we mess this up now, Mr Dyche is temporary, he's had long enough.

Mr Friedkin, please step up now and show us how you mean to make this work, this is a defining time for this club, and the fan base want to believe in you.

I know a few lads who support Championship teams. Those who stick up for clubs who have never been in the Premier League want to get there.

Those whose sides have previously gained promotion to “the top flight”, and subsequently been relegated, aspire to win the Championship but not get promoted.

The upside of that is we could be approaching the turning point we all so desperately long for.

"Can this club sink any lower than this?"

Cough... Benitez...cough.

Where is Friedkin? Is he Moshiri in disguise?

Colin C if they don't tune in to the most brilliant site around, can you make sure they get the memo.

Poor Michael got stick on here for suggesting that Dyche has a gameplan. Indeed young Harrison agrees with Mr Kendrick. When our wise sage covered his mouth to impart his latest genius tactical specifications to the wet behind the ears young whippersnapper, in the belief that he hadn't had much game time, he was greeted with "don't worry boss I know what you want as my mum lets me stay up late to watch the last 30 seconds of Match of the day every week".

Colin has he gone yet.

On a serious note, if we’re going to change got to do it asap to allow the new guy time to sign some players. This coming week surely. Get Mourinho in as he’s looking for a challenge and a team not in Europe. He’ll certainly tick those boxes with us!

On formation (it’ll never happen with Dyche) but could we not play 3 CBs and give O’Brian a run out? We have 5 senior CBs and it’s not like we’re keeping clean sheets with the current set up. Put Harrison at LW and Patterson RW and play 352 or 3511.

We are probably stuck with him unless we can find a 3rd party to take him off our hands.

He's done the classic thing owners are notorious for: "We back Sean" — but we all know that isn't true. It wasn't true before Forest beat us, and now a pitiful performance at Bournemouth. No shots on goal; well… maybe one in the 83rd minute.

So can Freidkin wait? Will he fly in to sack Dyche tomorrow? Or leave it to Marc Watts?

Yes, give Mourinho 5 players of quality, he picks, plus the best of our squad, he wins matches. Certainly enough to stay up. So do it.

I think 3-5-2 would be a suicide mission. 3-5-2 would quickly be 5-3-2 with no one in front of our wing-backs helping them. We would be even more exposed down the flanks and we would have 3 strapping centre-backs pulled all over the place by pacey opposition forwards. 3-5-2 has generally been a disaster for Everton.

We need to bring in a new manager and make some good signings.

Gotta be worth that risk.

Nothing to suggest anything imminent though, so I think he'll be with us for Thursday's game.

We'll go out anyway once we meet a decent side.

We have such an intriguing month ahead of us, but it would be so much better if it was quiet and boring.

I could see Saints dumping Juric before the season ends (he will be even more useless in the Championship). As for us, the hard-boiled egg will not be with us this time next year but my fear is that he is going nowhere until this season is history. I truly hope that there will be 'conversations' at the farm tomorrow.

Sorry, but a big part of me would enjoy seeing Big Ange get the boot because (1) I can't stand jumped-up Aussies, and (2) I love seeing Spurs in self-inflicted damage mode.

I do feel it’s time for Dyche to be shown the door, but not for Moyes. Moyes is finished as a manager. Even the West Ham fans wanted him gone, despite the fact he won them a trophy. The one and only trophy success in his entire career.

Frsnks eould be my personal choice but I am not sure we could prise him away from Brentford mid season.

But watching the dross that Dyche and his staff preside over is no longer viable. He has to be sacked immediately. Watching Everton under his tutelage is now a chore, not an enjoyable experience

Moyes as a short-term interim manager? Who can use his experience and understanding of the club to help the new leadership arrive at the next appointment? Ticks a few boxes for me.

Regarding Dyche's 'offensive' comments to the media. I find when posters start referencing these alleged transgressions, I swiftly move on to the next post. I don't know anyone who ever talks about what Dyche says to the media or press as it's considered irrelevant, except apparently by some folks on here.

So as for him never taking any responsibility for things going wrong, so which manager regularly does that then? I can think of Guardiola blaming himself for Man City's recent run, that's the only time I've heard a manager solely take the hit for bad results. As he has a number of Premier League titles to his name, I think Guardiola can afford to take that risk. Other than that, no-one.

Nothing Dyche says to the media is of interest, win, lose or draw. I don't take it seriously, it's something football managers have to do as part of their job. Nothing to see here.

I'm not absolving Dyche of blame for the current mess, his fingerprints, and those of several others, can be found at the crime scene. That doesn't mean I'd expect him to offer a full confession on MotD though.

Ernie (262), so you think Moyes would make a good DoF? As an interim manager, he makes some sense. But DoF? I suppose you are thinking of his ability to find good talent on the cheap? I think there's more to the role than that though.

“Knowing all the difficulties we have had and financially we have had a lot of problems as well, he's still the manager to be there for us because he keeps believing in us and keeps fighting. His idea doesn't change and hopefully he is going to help us to get over the line.”

Dyche is the only person who would keep picking Doucoure regardless of ability or form and the line about “his idea doesn't change” is a big part of the Dyche problem.

Anyway, won’t ever happen. Dyche may as well just play the Moyes 460 formation given our lack of attacking intent.

The O’Brian situation is a mystery though. £17m for a kid to sit on the bench, when we’re skint. There’s a story there somewhere, wonder if we’ll ever find the truth. I’m guessing it had something to do when Textor was close to buying the club.

There comes a point when you're prepared to accept the short term pain for the long term gain.

I was at the FA Cup game v Middlesborough, when Walter Smith was the manager and we were well beaten 3-0. When it was 2-0, I was half hoping 'Boro would score more to ensure he was sacked.

I don't want us to lose on Thursday but if we did surely it would be the end for Dyche?

I can only guess that O'Brien was signed because Thelwell and Dyche thought Branthwaite would be leaving (still might).

Surely if the Frieds had a plan Dyche would be leaving today.

All the best and COYB.

I want us to win well on Thursday to give us some confidence which most of us do but I’m on the fence really, like Jimmy (291), over whether Sean stays or goes but I think he definitely has to change and start attacking play much more than he has been doing.

He basically ran the football department for us for a decade. He knew how to build a team (in fact he built a couple). He understood the type of players he wanted, the way he wanted to play and evolve that style, he bought deliberately, integrated them carefully, did his homework on whether players would fit into the culture. And he did that within the confines of a dysfunctional club.

He has his limitations (dithering Dave?) and he made his mistakes along the way but, yes, I think he'd make a good DoF.

As for Thelwell who knows?

He’s not alone of course, I planned on writing an essay for ToffeeWeb, because on Saturday, it was fifty years to the day, that you first took me to Goodison pk, against Altrincham in the cup.

Fifty years of every single emotion, that beautiful stadium has given me, but it’s not beautiful any more (since it was cursed by the smug face above the ticket office on Goodison Rd) and that’s why I can’t wait for Everton to move to Bramley Moore.

My thoughts on Dyche were that the players must like playing the better teams, simply because they are coached for this type of team, and when they play the lesser teams, it’s becoming obvious that we don’t really know what to do with the football.

Saturday was so painful, I only kept watching because I was waiting for my little grandson to wake up. I watched my youngest playing football earlier on Saturday morning and I’m being honest when I say that his under eleven team, had more idea with the football, than footballers, some of whom are on between 60 and 100 grand a week.

I can’t justify watching it and will probably miss my first FA cup game at Goodison in years on Thursday night, (I’d sooner help train the kids) on a night that should have been really special to me, because it was taking me up to fifty years service as match going Evertonian.

Thanks for taking me to that game and many more Dave, because the first time I saw that pitch at Goodison, I was hooked on football, and watching the kids playing football continues to give me loads of pleasure. I just wish it was Everton, doing this as well!

Alan Myers has just put a piece on the Sky website which essentially says Dyche is under starters orders with the possibility of an interim (Baines/Coleman?) for Thursday's game and a new man by the Villa game. Alan thinks they want somebody who is 'available' and mentions Graham Potter but who knows!

Watching and waiting!

You gave me a lot of pleasure watching you play for various teams growing up and off the field you were very easy to like and not a bit of trouble especially when you were playing, watching or reading about football!

This isn't the same situation we had with Lampard. Lampard was out of his depth and struggling under pressure. Dyche is an experienced manager, and has a track record here at Everton of putting winning runs together under adversity. As long as he wants to be here, and as long as the sentiment in the dressing room is supportive of that, then he should stay. Only club insiders will be able to truly gauge the latter.

It's a different story of course if a top manager is lined up as his replacement, but there's little if anything to suggest that's the case at present.

Two wins by mid next week and the picture will look much brighter. Even better if Ange stays in post long enough for a final visit to Goodison.

Everyone is aware this is the cumulation of years of Moshiri impulsivity and industrial strength stupidity which has allowed the current circumstances around contracts running down and players looking to move on to lucrative pastures new, presumably bringing with it a personal priority to avoid an inconvenient injury that could derail their plans.

Add into the mix players we have loaned in whose commitment to the cause cannot truly be expected and certainly not ever depended on when the pressure is on.

Looks like those we would look to lead the team on the pitch are more interested in their next move, those on loan can’t really be arsed, and the manager is as basic as basic can ever be, a self serving unimaginative mediocrity with the charisma and warmth of an unflushed toilet. Strange that him blaming the limited players he has at his disposal hasn’t generated the necessary camaraderie and unity needed from his players to get us out of the deep shit. I would have expected they would be running through walls for him rather than ducking goal bound volleys. Credit where it is due though, he is playing a truly shite hand which he has mentioned he has mostly inherited, but he is endlessly without imagination and is just so awful to watch: turgid soul destroying stuff which he seems incapable of changing.

I’m not sure there are three worse teams this time. The way we play under Dyche we deserve to be relegated. Of the limited options available either Moyes or Baines could only be better.

Being Everton and with a new stadium for next year it would just be our luck to face the drop (see Maupay scored last night to add to the thought we are cursed!!!)

He has done an incredible job in keeping the club in the top division, but both his language and demeanour in recent months have spoken of his frustration that his players cannot deliver on match days on a consistent basis, and it is clear he no longer enjoys the job. I feel it’s sad that it is going this way, as I would have liked to have seen Dyche/ Woan/Stone seeing their contracts out, but the stakes are high now, it’s likely the plug will be pulled this month.

I also think Coleman should get the whole sorry lot in, apart from Pickford, and tell them the facts of life.

Dyche is responsible for tactics and the team picked, however, some of the basic footballing skills from many of these so called professionals is abysmal

No disrespect to Peterborough, and I’d love a cup run, but Villa is the more important. Also, I’d hope even our current squad is good enough to get to the 4th round without a manager.

If they leave it to the weekend then what happens when we beat Peteborough? It would just tempt them to stick.

Put all and sundry out of our collective misery and get a new guy in. This squad isn’t great but it’s certainly got more in the tank than its currently showing. Dyche seems to have long run out of ideas and it seams to have fed into the players.

Time for a new chapter.

Niall (311) comments noted, fair enough. Managers don't accept the blame very often though!