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Jordan Pickford will become the first England goalkeeper to contest two major tournament finals after Ollie Watkins stepped off the bench to fire Gareth Southgate’s men through to a match-up with Spain in Berlin on Sunday.

The Aston Villa striker was a late introduction against the Netherlands for the tiring Harry Kane and with another gruelling period of extra-time looming, Watkins swivelled onto a pass from fellow sub Cole Palmer to rifle the ball across Bart Verbruggen and inside the far post.

England had cancelled out Xavi Simons’s seventh-minute opener for the Dutch when Kane was awarded a somewhat controversial penalty 11 minutes later and he swept home the spot-kick to make it 1-1.

Despite putting in their best 45 minutes’ worth of football of the tournament so far in the first half, Southgate’s side weren’t able to press home their superiority.

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Both sides hit the woodwork, first when Denzel Dumfries headed off the crossbar and Phil Foden hit the outside of the post with a superb, curling effort before the Manchester City forward saw his close-range shot stopped right on the goal line.

Pickford, who had only been able to get his fingertips to Simons’ powerful drive for the Netherlands’ goal, was called upon to parry away Virgil van Dijk’s shot from a free-kick in the second half.

At the other end, meanwhile, Bakayo Saka thought he’d won it for England with 12 minutes left when he turned in Kyle Walker’s cross but the goal was ruled out for offside against the City full-back.

But Watkins came up trumps in the 90th minute with an instinctive striker's goal and dramatic winner that booked England’s place in the final of a second successive the European Championships and dumped former Toffees boss, Ronald Koeman, and his men out.


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Kieran Kinsella
1 Posted 10/07/2024 at 16:55:32
My glass isn't half empty any more. In fact it is creating a vacuum and slowly sucking in all living matter into oblivion.

I am pessimistic because when I think of Netherlands I think of:

1988 thrashing of England.
Last minute Wim Kieft winner of Eire at Euro 88.
Koeman's foul and freekick versus England before USA 1994.
Koeman getting away without a red card for Feyernoord v Everton.
Nations Lague final defeat to Koeman's Holland after we beat Swiss on penalties in semi.
Koeman's negative impact on my mental health as Everton manager.
Saint VVD versus villain Pickford dynamic with a corrupt ref.

Meanwhile I am also concerned about Southgate, his tactics, selection, loser mentality, failure to win anything. Poor form of Foden, Walker, Kane etc.

But I guess we will see what happens.

Mark Murphy
2 Posted 10/07/2024 at 16:55:47
Just heard that Jonny Heitinga is on the shites new coaching team.
Paul Ferry
3 Posted 10/07/2024 at 17:58:37
He's an ugly fucker Mark, the spitting image of the new fucking ugly red shite coach. Clearly they have been looking across the park admiringly at our three hard boiled eggs.

The home secretary says we need to tighten the laws on crossbows: fuck me, what have we become?

Kieran Kinsella
4 Posted 10/07/2024 at 18:01:57
Hopefully his time there goes as well as Sammy Lee's time did as a coach at Goodison.
Jamie Crowley
5 Posted 10/07/2024 at 18:14:57
If England win, that's what? Two finals and two semi-finals for Gareth Southgate?

That's actually impressive.

So why do I feel he's holding back this squad? Gareth, release the Kraken. Move forward, up the pitch, with intent and pace. Please don't dally and look for possession. Like, please do the right thing.

Rob Halligan
6 Posted 10/07/2024 at 18:45:57
The Tango’d Dutch fans will outnumber the England fans by a 2:1 ratio, and they also have the famous Yellow wall end of Dortmund.
Paul Ferry
7 Posted 10/07/2024 at 18:57:16
Does anyone really believe that the gozzy-eyed conservative twat jam-maker will make any siginificant changes?

C&A man will bring back Guehi for Konsa but the only point of controvery – oooooooooooohhhhhhhhh 😗😗😗😗😗 controversy (Southgate and controversy go together like Swizterland and courage on the battlefield and high seas, except, of course, when the never-to-be-forgiven tepid twat taps a penalty straight at the German keeper) – is whether or not Luke Shaw starts, who was arguably in the running to be one of the best on the pitch for his half-hour or so on Sunday.

But gormless will probably stick with Saka because that would be two changes. And what would we do with Saka if Shaw does start? At which point Southgate starts to get awful headaches and tiptoes up to bed with his ovaltine, asprin x2, non-addictive sleeping pill, and his well-thumbed copy of Sean Dyche and Massimialiano Allegri's co-authored manual on how to win matches by turning round and looking at your own goal.

Paul Hewitt
8 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:01:22
I think a Dutch v Spain final would be a better game. So come on the cloggers
Alan McGuffog
9 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:09:25
Paul...there's no doubt about it it would be a better game of football. And wouldn't it be lovely to see St Virgil and his mate Cody running around with winners medals too.?
Tom Bowers
10 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:16:11
Southgate is unconvincing as the England boss and this predicable specimen has gone for the same starting eleven (except for Konsa) that has not impressed one iota.

Even if they get past the Dutch it's hard to see them beating the Spaniards but stranger things happen in cup competitions.

Barry Rathbone
11 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:16:33
Lost interest in England years ago so normally not arsed but our goalie is between the sticks and koeman treated us like an oily rag.

C'mon Pickers, c'mon England

Paul Ferry
12 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:16:51
As I said yesterday, Mr. Hewitt, you sometimes put up attention-seeking real rubbish on here. There's only one world champion team on our shores and that's the mighty quadruple winning Wigan Warriors, but there's room for a European trophy.

Although I'm no big England fella, I do appreciate the happiness and morale boosting energy that a trophy would bring to the English, and God knows so many of them could do with some sunshine in their lives, if only for a little while.

Paul Ferry
13 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:20:40
The line up is exactly as I predicted. Southgate is so easy to predict. Mr. Predictable needs to be gone.
Paul Hewitt
14 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:27:18
Wow. Can't I even pick the team I want to win now?.
Dave Cashen
15 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:30:09
I'm looking forward to the game. Despite both teams being manged by conservative managers. I think there is enough individual talent to give us some more memorable moments.

Just cant be arsed watching ex-players who systematically failed themselves try to tell us where the current team is going wrong, so I will stay on laptop until the teams are out on the pitch

Colin Glassar
16 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:34:36
C’mon England! I’m afraid the trophy already has a name etched on it and it’s neither of these two teams. But, stranger things have happened - Greece 2004.

This is going to pens isn’t it?

James Hughes
17 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:36:39
I really dislike Koeman so 4-0 to england, I keep trying to say us or we, but too many nations and good evertions on this site to say that

James Hughes
18 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:36:40
I really dislike Koeman so 4-0 to England.

I keep trying to say 'us' or 'we', but too many nations and good Evertonians on this site to say that.

Dave Abrahams
19 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:44:29
After watching Holland v Turkey, I expect England to win by three goals or more – even with Southgate managing them.
Paul Ferry
20 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:45:59
Colin 16, stop hiding behind riddles and conundrums.

You're like that fecking flute riddler jock on League of Gentlemen. Stop this cat-and-mouse game. Which team are you talking about?

"Transparency is the best form of politeness". (Catherine the Great).

Kunal Desai
21 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:49:34
Be nice to smash these and ram one down Koeman's throat. He can sod off back to playing golf, the arrogant shitbag.

Pickford take two: cry baby Van Dijk. Take him out for good this time.

Kieran Kinsella
22 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:50:43
I was at Wembley when we beat them 4-1.

I am hoping for a repeat of that as we've endured so much misery from Koeman and his cronies – it is long overdue.

Colin Glassar
23 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:52:28
I have seen the future, Paul, and it’s not nice.

Let’s squeeze these pips and make some orange juice.

Kieran Kinsella
24 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:57:05
If the Dutch win I worry Koeman will pull out his old tricks against Spanish masters and bring on a couple of Dutch youngters called Tommy Van Davies and Ade Von Lookman who will help them win 4-1.
Dale Self
25 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:58:53
Gozza has been saving his masterplan for these final two matches. Grab yer glasses and drink England to the Cup!
Paul Ferry
26 Posted 10/07/2024 at 19:58:56
Oh No....

Fucking Ian Darke and Landon Donovan on Fox.

Colin Glassar
27 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:07:23
Saka doesn’t have a right peg. Fuck off
Jamie Crowley
28 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:07:35
Kieran Kinsella
29 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:08:21
Paul Ferry
30 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:08:42
feck me, exocet - erm, Rice ...
Paul Hewitt
31 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:09:03
Wow. That was some strike
Jamie Crowley
32 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:09:11
I'm sure the English press will blame Jordan. 🙄
Kunal Desai
33 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:09:23
Fuck off. Great strike but what is Rice doing getting knocked off the ball by someone half his size?
Paul Ferry
34 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:09:31
We always come from behind.
Michael Kenrick
35 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:09:57
Oh dear...

Pickford will get the blame for Rice's incompetence.

Jamie Crowley
36 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:10:20
Might be a blessing? England will have to come out of their shell and attack now.
Kieran Kinsella
37 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:10:56
His arms are too short. Inspector Gadget would have easily saved it.
Tony McNulty
38 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:11:19
Is the ref's minimum bribery price written on Pickford's water bottle?
Kieran Kinsella
39 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:12:17
Saka is the best player at controlling high balls in this team. His first touch is immense
Kieran Kinsella
40 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:14:05
Let's teach these Paisleyites a lesson
Jamie Crowley
41 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:15:02
Another absolute missile by Kane. Just missed, so close.

Dude he got every bit of that.

Dave Cashen
42 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:15:15
watching Trippier trying to come to terms with the offside law is hilarious. Three times in the opening 15
Paul Ferry
43 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:15:32
England have been well on top before and after Rice's shithouseness
Rob Halligan
44 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:15:53
Jamie Crowley
45 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:15:55
Dude this will be a PK
Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:16:17
raised flat foot gets none of the ball. goal kick
Michael Kenrick
47 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:16:34
Can't believe this would be a penalty.
Kieran Kinsella
48 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:16:46
Did they forget to bribe the VAR?
Jamie Crowley
49 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:16:49
Come again, Kieran?
Brent Stephens
50 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:16:59
Not a penalty
Jamie Crowley
51 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:17:24
It's totally a pen. Just because the shot comes off doesn't mean he wasn't fouled. PK every time for me.
Paul Hewitt
52 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:17:24
If that's a pen. It's a disgrace
Michael Kenrick
53 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:17:31
Well, Bellingham must've had a word with the ref.
Kieran Kinsella
54 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:17:35
Jamie I was being sarcastic.
Brent Stephens
55 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:17:43
Crazy decision
Jamie Crowley
56 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:17:58
Coulda broke his ankle. How the F is that not a PK? I don't understand your logic people?
Kunal Desai
57 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:18:06
Yes get in. Peno.

Not sure that's a pen though.

Kieran Kinsella
58 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:18:24
How is it not a pen? He didn't touch the ball flat foot straight leg straight into kane
Paul Hewitt
59 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:18:25
Football is finished
Jamie Crowley
60 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:18:32
Roger that, Kieran!
Brent Stephens
61 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:18:43
No penalty but get in!
Rob Halligan
62 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:19:01
Harsh penalty, but an even harsher yellow card for Dumfries. Good penalty by Kane.
Kieran Kinsella
63 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:19:21

So the weekly hip brush that causes Salah and co to dive is a pen but that is not?

Colin Glassar
64 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:19:57
Is that Jim Carey from Dumb and Dumber in the Dutch goal?
Michael Kenrick
65 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:20:06
Defender going for the block.

Kane completed his shot then kicked his foot.

Never a penalty.

Jamie Crowley
66 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:20:10
Seriously - why do you folks think that isn't a pen? Studs way up, foot massively high, studs first, about breaks his ankle.

How is that not a pen? Someone explain the "it's not a pen" position?

Kieran Kinsella
67 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:20:42
I would have sent off Dumfries and VVD for complaining plus Koeman for being a dick.
Jamie Crowley
68 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:21:01
But Michael, he make studs up contact and went through the point of contact, ergo went through the player?

Whether the shot comes off or not is NOT a factor in a PK decision!

Paul Hewitt
69 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:21:05
Officially a non contact sport now.
Rob Halligan
70 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:21:07
Karma time for Koeman.
Paul Ferry
71 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:21:15
Football is finished 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

100 per cent pen. That would have been a red in the middle of the pitch. Got nothing of the ball, high boot, made contact.

Michael Kenrick
72 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:22:18
Follow-through which Harry Kane generated with his shot that caused the contact.
Jamie Crowley
73 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:22:52
Ferry I'm with you. And Paul H - I adore physical footy in every aspect. But that "tackle" or attempted block ain't legal on any level!
Brent Stephens
74 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:22:59
I agree that's more of Kane follow through than the defender kicking Kane.
Jamie Crowley
75 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:23:56
No Michael - look at where the contact was for Kane initiating the shot and look where the defender's foot ends up - like a foot past contact.


Colin Glassar
76 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:24:14
Walker and Trippier are poor going forward.
Paul Ferry
77 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:24:30
England battering the clog hopping turnip van Calvinists.
Kieran Kinsella
78 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:24:49
Dirty Dutch rolling an extra ball onto the pitch
Paul Hewitt
79 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:25:22
So what was the defender supposed to do? Just let him shoot?
Jamie Crowley
80 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:26:27
Paul, no. He's supposed to block the shot. What he can't do while attempting to block the shot is drive through the dude's leg, waist high, with studs up, and about break his ankle.

Hope that clears it up! 😂🤙🏻

Kieran Kinsella
81 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:26:37
Brent but it is like obstruction if nothing else. Why was his foot just hanging there with every likelihood Kane would hit it with the inertia of his shot?
Paul Ferry
82 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:28:16
Yawn van Hewitt 🐤🐤🐤🐤🐥🐥🐥🐥
Dave Cashen
83 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:28:56
Dazzling feet from Foden. Is he going to start showing us his City form? I fucking hope so…
Michael Kenrick
84 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:29:04
Don't think so, Jamie.

Defender lifted his foot, Kane followed through his shot and made the contact.

Jamie Crowley
85 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:30:14
There's obviously two sets of glasses to view this with.

Like with Mike Gaynes regarding politics, we'll agree to disagree and move on, smiling.

Michael Kenrick
86 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:30:42
Why wasn't that a penalty, then Jamie?

Clogger sent flying. Come on now, be consistent. Could have broken his neck.

Jamie Crowley
87 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:32:26
OMG what an effort by Foden.

Whole crowd: "SHOOOOOOTTTTTTT!!!"

Colin Glassar
88 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:32:44
Where has this England team been?
Jamie Crowley
89 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:33:15
Michael -

The argumentative tactic of comparing apples and oranges really doesn't work well. Keep your eye on the ball.

But you knew that already

Kieran Kinsella
90 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:33:15
Posts hit, crossbar, goal line clearances. Is this entertaining football we are seeing?
Brent Stephens
91 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:35:51
Kieran, I think you're joking about obstruction!
Paul Ferry
92 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:37:21
Don't forget the pen that was not a pen Kieran 😂
Robert Tressell
93 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:37:37
Really don't like Koeman's shoes. Not quite as bad as the chunky soled white pump of the Slovak coach but still not good.
Paul Hewitt
94 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:38:39
Why do so many footballers have holes in their socks?
Kunal Desai
95 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:39:49
Foden playing like the Man City Foden.
Dave Cashen
96 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:39:54
"Your support is fackin shit"

Just when you thought the England Fans had started to learn a thing or two about respect…

Paul Hewitt
97 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:41:17
Funny what happens when you play Foden in his right position
Paul Ferry
98 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:43:31
Dave, they're from Mansfield, Barrow, Harlow, Keighley, Oswaldtwistle, and Telford, what can we expect mate. ?
Michael Kenrick
99 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:44:54
More and longer spells now when they drop back into sideways and backwards bollocks, dropping the high tempo way down.
Dave Cashen
100 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:46:39
And St Helens Paul
Paul Ferry
101 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:47:35
MK, Koeman's lads will be delighted if it is 1-1 at half-time.
Colin Glassar
102 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:48:43
Much better
Jamie Crowley
103 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:49:05
Great half. Really, really good game.
Paul Ferry
104 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:49:27
As ever, you catch me out Dave. How could I have forgotten St. Helens. Paul van Hewitt had better watch out once the neanderthals get back.
Kieran Kinsella
105 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:49:39
The Cow man will be slipping the ref an extra fiver
Michael Lynch
106 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:51:05
Great half, exciting and England so much more positive than before.

Foden on fire, but Mainoo brilliant too. And I though it was a pen - anywhere else on the pitch and the ref would have called it straight away.

Rob Halligan
107 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:54:33
England much the better team, but why do they sometimes treat the ball like a hot potato? Players with the ball have space to go forward, but instead get rid straight away with a sideways pass. Believe!!
Michael Kenrick
108 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:54:42
Perfect discussion of the non-penalty on 5Live.
Paul Hewitt
109 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:55:07
Your more likely to find Neanderthals in Chicago
Jack Convery
110 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:55:56
Definitely a pen Dangerous play. Studs up and catches Kane. A half inch and he breaks his foot / ankle.

Foden great. Jude doing his stuff. Walker has a duracel up his arse. Mainoo Wow.

Can't see the Dutch playing worse second half.

Need to keep it going.

Michael Kenrick
111 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:56:46
Gary Neville spot on also.
Ernie Baywood
112 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:56:56
Best we've seen from England.

Debatable penalty, but I guess if that's a defender or midfielder clearing and they get caught like that it's a foul and a card every time. To quote HMHB:

Oh you can't put your foot up in Europe
You can't show your studs on the ‘nent
They take a dim view of a slightly raised shoe
So think on if you're up against Ghent

Neil Tyrrell
113 Posted 10/07/2024 at 20:59:54
Studs out knee high, 100% pen

Van Dijk og for the winner in front of the orange wall, 2-1 England over the mayonnaise on chips potheads!

Going down 1-0 might have been the best thing that could have happened. Hopefully Southgate isn't telling them to protect the draw.

James Hughes
114 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:00:18
Have I mentioned I fucking hate Koeman.

Paul Ferry
115 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:00:51
MK you normally treat Neville like a turd. Be consistent. I don't care what he thinks and you are providing a selective range of comments to suit you. It was a penalty - studs up, knee high, contact - and it doesn't matter if 50 per cent of erm "expert pundits" say it wasn't. It happened. It's 1-1. England deserve to be ahead. Why not talk about that?
Kieran Kinsella
116 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:01:07
Only worry is that, in the 1990 World Cup we were crap, then played brilliantly in the semi and lost. Hopefully we can break the Koeman curse.
Dave Cashen
117 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:02:55
I think it depends on whether you were a defender or a attacker.

Neville says it was never a penalty.

Wrighty claims is was reckless and deffo a penalty.

The studs were up and showing but if that penalty is given against Everton, I'm incandescent.

James Hughes
118 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:04:02
Paul are you moving to Chigaco ?
Paul Ferry
119 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:06:13
Dutch sub. Koeman worried. The cycling Calvinists will be even more dangerous from set-pieces.

Shaw for Trippier makes sense.

Jamie Crowley
120 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:06:19
English sphincters are going to pucker around 75 minutes when it's still tied.

The viewing will be just glorious for the neutral. Does England 'pull an England' and choke? Do they go on to find a winner? If they go up does Gareth protect the lead? If so, do they then concede and the Southgate crucifixion begins?

Just glorious viewing incoming.

Paul Ferry
121 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:07:29
If you can't beat us join us Paulus van Hewitt.
Jamie Crowley
122 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:07:55
It is the weirdest pen ever. You almost never see a pen given and half of the people say it was 100% a pen and half of the people say it's 100% not a pen.

This one's unique to be sure!

Christy Ring
123 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:10:01
Kane took his shot, and caught Dumfries studs with the follow through, agree with the panel, no penalty.
Jamie Crowley
124 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:10:02
Stupid questions are only asked by stupid people.

Did Shaw start??? Or did he come on at half and if so, for who??

I didn't notice him the entire first half? Who was pulled???

Why would you make a sub when you've played much better than the opponent and played the best half of the tournament?

Did someone get hurt?

Paul Hewitt
125 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:10:32
Ffs Kane. Stay up front
Kieran Kinsella
126 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:11:05
His foot was in an unnatural position. If Mason Holgate conceded that pen we would all say it was nailed on.
Paul Ferry
127 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:11:53
Jamie, he came on for Trippier at half-time.
Jamie Crowley
128 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:12:34
What? Why? Don't like that at all!
Colin Glassar
129 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:13:34
Walk Ball has commenced.
Simon Dalzell
130 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:14:39
One dud, Trippier, has gone; now the other, Kane, needs to.
Kieran Kinsella
131 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:16:14
Southgate probably told them them to play badly and try and snatch a last gasp winner so he can play victim if during the half a few fans shake their heads and say "Oh goodness we can play better than this!"
Sean Kelly
132 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:16:34
Harry Kane is a donkey in disguise.
Dave Cashen
133 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:16:56
Trippier had been exceptionally crap Jamie. Not his night. Get him out of there.

There'll be other nights for him

Paul Ferry
134 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:17:21
Jamie, Trippier was poor first half, passing and closing down; Shaw is a much better attacking option.
Colin Glassar
135 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:19:44
I’ve always said Southgate is a 45 minute manager. I hope he proves me wrong tonight
Dave Cashen
136 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:22:09
I hope he proves you right, Col and this is his 45
Jamie Crowley
137 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:24:13
Paul maybe, but were I in charge I'd never, ever have changed that side after that half, again the best half they've played by a country mile.
Jamie Crowley
138 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:24:45
Pickford fantastic! Atta boy!
Tony McNulty
139 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:25:26
Back to the style of the initial England games here
Kieran Kinsella
140 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:26:31
All the Dutch players are dopplegangers for players of old: Koeman, Gullitt and Sneijder lookalikes out there. Have they used AI to do some kind of de-ageing thing?
Paul Ferry
141 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:29:37
The so-called sleazy bent ref has had a great game so far.
Colin Glassar
142 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:31:58
Normal service by England resumed.
Kieran Kinsella
143 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:37:55
This is dicey
Michael Kenrick
144 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:38:04
England lucky there...
Paul Ferry
145 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:38:29
watkins and palmer
Jamie Crowley
146 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:39:10
Aw crap
Kieran Kinsella
147 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:39:53
he was onside
Jamie Crowley
148 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:39:53
Close, but offside
Kieran Kinsella
149 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:40:30
Kane not Able today
Paul Ferry
150 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:42:44
England are the only team so far in this tourney to start with 8 catholics,
Colin Glassar
151 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:46:47
We don’t have a prayer then, Paul. Does Southgate plan to take every game to pens?
Paul Ferry
152 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:47:14
Well done John Stones.
Kieran Kinsella
153 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:48:22

Did Poland sneak in a few Prussian Calvinists?

Kieran Kinsella
154 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:49:40
Cow man is getting agitated
Kunal Desai
155 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:49:57
Get in!!!!
Jamie Crowley
156 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:50:15
Brent Stephens
157 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:50:17
What a fucking goal
Colin Glassar
158 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:50:18
Get fucking n!!!
Tony McNulty
159 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:50:48
From nowhere
Kieran Kinsella
160 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:51:03
Apparently, my stream is a minute behind. I thought Kunai was about an hour behind for a moment
Michael Kenrick
161 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:51:42
Well, well... never saw that coming!

Brilliant turn and finish.

So lethally accurate. Fantastic play.

Brent Stephens
162 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:52:10
Was that sub to sub?
Jamie Crowley
163 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:52:19
That was sublime
Kieran Kinsella
164 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:52:34
how much IT?
Brent Stephens
165 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:52:54
Paul Ferry
166 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:53:29
Jamie Crowley
167 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:53:40
Brent. 😜
Kieran Kinsella
168 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:54:30
We are 3 minutes into the 2 minutes…
Jamie Crowley
169 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:55:13
They'll play to a tie obviously!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE JERK!
Paul Ferry
170 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:55:22
Colin Glassar
171 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:55:35
Lucky man Southgate 👏👏
Jamie Crowley
172 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:55:39
There it is! Another Final.

Southgate's bottom line record not too shabby...

Paul Hewitt
173 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:56:04
Well done England. But you can just engrave 'Spain' on the trophy.
Brent Stephens
174 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:56:44
Great first half.

Tactically good from the Dutch in the second half.

Match-winning subs.

Brent Stephens
175 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:57:33
Oh he’s here again. Mr doom.
Christy Ring
176 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:59:07
Watkins and Palmer were positive substitutions, so credit to Southgate, but Watkins should be starting.
Larry O'Hara
177 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:59:07
Great payback for that gobshite Koeman 😁😁. Christy 176: exactly. Kane could not do that
Paul Hewitt
178 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:59:35
Spain are a million miles better than England. That's not being Doom.
Jamie Crowley
179 Posted 10/07/2024 at 21:59:58
God Save the King. Now go beat the Spanish and bring it home England.
Kunal Desai
181 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:01:07
Good subs. Palmer into Watkins. Kane was on the pitch for far too long.
Rob Halligan
182 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:01:09
Fuck off Virgin Van Shite! 😂😂😂. You can come and watch the final in Woolton village with me. 😁😁😁
Colin Glassar
184 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:02:12
We’ll be massive underdogs but if Greece could do it….
Alan McGuffog
186 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:02:42
Paul...do you have Virgil or Gakpo on your shirt ? I'll be you're Scouse not English
Robert Tressell
187 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:02:42
Called it Brent # 174.

Much, much better display from England and really pleased for Watkins.

Good on Southgate - he did adjust things for a better first half performance - and he was brave to bring Watkins on for his pace in behind later on. Brilliant.

Paul Hewitt
188 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:02:46
Who said I would enjoy a Spanish victory? I'm not Spanish.
Michael Kenrick
189 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:03:12
Such fine margins...

Watkins actually strikes it as the defender crosses in front of him. Kicks it through his legs — in so many cases, the defender gets a touch.

Mark Murphy
190 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:03:15
Anything can happen in the final. Spain are good but they're not Gods.

I've said throughout this tournament – England may have been boring and predictable but they've been solid and calm at the back. They won't go toe to toe with Spain as others have. Good luck England.

Brent Stephens
191 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:03:43
It's not the prediction for the final, PH, it's your lack of grace. But we get that from you even for your own hometown team.
Dave Cashen
192 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:03:53
It's coming home…
Michael Lynch
193 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:04:00
What a winner. Brilliant. Southgate is clearly a genius and we know fuck all
Rob Halligan
194 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:04:07
Alan # 186…….Mr Hewitt is from St. Helens, and is an egg chaser! 😀😀
Jamie Crowley
195 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:04:25
They HAVE to figure out a way to stop that Olmo kid. He’s brilliant and runs their team. That young 16 year old? Just make sure fat Luke Shaw isn’t on his side and they can control him on the big stage.
Paul Ferry
196 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:04:27
stá regresando a casa está regresando a casa su regreso el fútbol está regresando a casa ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Kevin Molloy
197 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:05:13
So sad to see that big blonde head creased in sorrow.
Simon Dalzell
198 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:05:52
Trouble is dead legs Kane will start the final. This may well cost us.
Paul Hewitt
199 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:07:42
Brent. I don't support any international team. I'd scrap international football. Only my opinion.
Jamie Crowley
200 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:07:54
Simon -

I'd 100% start the veteran Kane in a massive game like against Spain. Sub at 70 or so. You need a veteran on and Kane is very capable of scoring!

Paul Ferry
201 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:08:53
Well meaning advice Paul Hewitt. Give it up. Turn your laptop off. You're making a fool of yourself. You have zero grace or discretion. Please don't bother coming on here Sunday if you continue with your graceless charmless crap. Trust me, you will not be wanted if you do.
Shane Corcoran
203 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:11:00
The lopsided nature of the tournament meant that an average team would make the final.

Awful stuff, a really poor refereeing performance but a moment of magic to win it.

Anything can happen in a one-off game but hopefully the Spanish will get the job done by a couple of goals.

Dave Cashen
204 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:11:06
We will sink the Armada.

We have previous!

Neil Tyrrell
205 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:11:34
Brilliant from Watkins and well done England's No.1, our Jordan!
Paul Hewitt
206 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:11:42
England won and where the better team, they deserved to win.

But in my opinion, Spain are better and should win.

Neil Tyrrell
207 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:11:47
Brilliant from Watkins and well done England's No.1, our Jordan!
Barry Rathbone
208 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:13:34
You could see after the first round of games there was no one to fear as long as we didn't do the usual mental meltdown.

Well in Pickford, well in England.

Paul Ferry
209 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:13:58
I respect your posts, Shane, but you sound like a bitter broken record. I would also have liked to see Ireland in Germany but the problem is they are crap and in your word bang average, below average.

England are not, win or lose Sunday. Get over it.

Kunal Desai
210 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:14:47
Keep in check the little Spanish wonderkid and we have a chance.

It's 90 minutes. Just don't bloody play for penalties.

Jay Harris
211 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:17:00
What joy to see Van Dijk's face. Well done, England and Southgate. You fully deserved that win. The Dutch were crap by comparison.

Concerned about Kane and Bellingham though – who both look as if their legs have had it for the season.

Ed Prytherch
212 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:17:37
I'm happy to see Watkins score the winner. I've always enjoyed watching him play.
Paul Ferry
213 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:18:23
Dave, the smaller English ships ran rings round the heavy Spanish galleons, nipping in and out, far more deft and speedy.

Your false diplomatic tone does not cut it, Senor Hewey. You did what you did. Please stay away Sunday if you continue in your attention-seeking graceless way.

No one wants to read it.

Chris Leyland
214 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:18:24
You can almost feel the bitterness dripping from your pores as you furiously typed that back-handed bitterness at 203, Shane.

Rest up and try not to have any sleepless nights worrying about England winning between now and weekend, it's not good for you.

Tom Bowers
215 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:21:00
Subs save the day again.

Surely England will win this trophy.

The Hand of God is with Southgate.

Paul Ferry
216 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:21:10
Me too Ed and his smile lit up the place. I honestly thought that he might not be the one for this big occasion. How wrong was I? Sorry.
Paul Hewitt
217 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:21:22
Ok PF I'll stay away. You are the boss on here.😆
Paul Ferry
218 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:23:04
Good. People will respect you for that PH.
Colin Glassar
219 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:27:14
Tories out and England Euro Champions? What a week this could be.
Shane Corcoran
220 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:28:28
Senor Pablo Torrero Hewitt. Now that's a good record Paul. The Dutch B-side is good too.

I know exactly how poor Ireland are and strangely being told that doesn't bother me in the slightest. Why would it?

I don't want England to win I can only assume for similar nonsensical reasons that you don't want Liverpool to win. Bitter blues all round.

Danny O’Neill
221 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:28:32
England deserved that. The better team on the night.

Good luck to them.

Pete Gunby
222 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:29:18
England actually played better, especially in the first half.

Watkins scored a beauty.

Kane was anonymous again.

Robert Tressell
223 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:29:25
Great result but is it just me - or is Bellingham largely anonymous in all these games???

Maybe I was expecting too much.

Shane Corcoran
224 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:30:39
Chris, we live in very different worlds if you think any football team will keep me awake at night.
Jamie Crowley
225 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:32:10
Robert -

The bicycle kick just a game before last? Kinda big there!

Christopher Timmins
226 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:32:30
Thank God the Dutch manager is on his way home! He did a lot of damage to EFC.
Andy Meighan
228 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:37:08
Another decisive save from the world's best keeper.

But according to "I love David (thick as pigshit) Seamen" Lee Dixon, it's a save he should be making.

Right, Lee, yes, of course it is, and can you elaborate on that.

What that moron has against Pickford is beyond me, he's proved himself time and time again not just for us but for his country and still these morons criticise him.

On another note the faces on them pair of arrogant Dutch fuckers Van Dijk and Koeman was priceless – well worth tuning in for.

Good luck to our Jordan on Sunday.

Paul Ferry
229 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:37:27
But it's not bitter, Shane, and I don't know why you would even bother to come on here with that bitterness. Hardly the place.

Full disclosure, I'm half-Irish, I am an unrepentant nationalist, ashamed of British history, like to see Ireland beat England in rugby anyway and anything else other than footy – and sometimes then. But that was uncalled-for, mate.

Bill Watson
230 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:37:38
I just can't get excited about England. I think it dates back to 1966 and being cheated out of seeing them play at Goodison Park in the 1966 World Cup Semi-Final.

At the last minute, the FA switched the game to Wembley and we had to make do with West Germany v Soviet Union.

The FA wouldn't get away with a stunt like that these days!

Tony Abrahams
231 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:38:22
You don't have to beat a man when you know your angles!

That was an absolutely fantastic finish from Ollie Watkins, at a time when the Dutch were beginning to look the more likely team. A real centre-forward's goal.

I have no time for Ronald Koeman but he was very magnanimous in defeat and had similar feelings to my own in the paragraph above!!

Paul Ferry
232 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:39:06
It's not just you, Robert. But I hope you at least noticed that his boss was celebrating after the final whistle.

Looking forward to Savage on 606 right now. He's a sort of Welsh Shane. Sorry, Shane, couldn't resist!

Ian Pilkington
233 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:43:15
The most mean spirited and stupid post on here for a very long time.
Shane Corcoran
234 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:43:53
What was, Paul?

England are on the easy side of the draw. They had a weak group and were average at best for the majority of the tournament Which part isn't true?

I'm an Everton fan so I'm on this site. I'd have preferred if Holland won tonight and I'd prefer if Spain win on Sunday for various reasons.

I didn't insult anyone or slag off players for the club they play for.

Paul Ferry
235 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:43:58
Should I now be eating humble pie over Sir Gareth? I'm Catholic. The guilt is rising. Those subs were great even at minute '78. Watkins runs in behind, did it all season long.

True to form: Savage, never a penalty; Sutton, yes it was.

Rob Halligan
236 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:45:34
It was a penalty, because it was given!
Dave Cashen
237 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:46:26
Bellingham is as raw as a baboon's arse. Brilliant, but not ready to dominate long periods.


Christine Foster
238 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:46:38
First half a good England performance. The Dutch changed it in the second half and I thought England had lost the chance.

But hats off, a great goal by Watkins through the defender's legs. Instinct ,Tony, a good striker knows where the goal is blindfolded, half a chance taken.

Another early start on Monday for us in New Zealand!

Colin Glassar
240 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:47:53
We are all Evertonians but, when it comes to international football, the tribalism rears its ugly head.
Denis Richardson
241 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:48:37
Great goal by Watkins. Other than the pen Kane did pretty much nothing in the game - and it was never a penalty in the first place, shocking decision given the occasion.

England into the final and whatever you say about Southgate and his tactics, it's got the team to the last game. Need luck in tournaments and England have certainly ridden theirs so far.

Paul Ferry
242 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:49:13
Well, let's draw a line under this, Shane. The last thing I want to do is fall out with you. I fully understand why you would like England to lose.

What you left out was how well England played in the first half and how much better they were against the Swiss. How much better they seem with three at the back. And, playing poorly or not, they have a number of exceptional players who can turn games in a flash. Also, England have a very deep bench.

I meant the having a pop at Senor Hewitt stuff when I said that it was not bitter.

Andrew Merrick
243 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:51:19
Happy to win...

I thought Pickford set himself awkwardly for their goal, but we bounced back...

That penalty decision baffles me, had it gone against us, I would be furious...

But England played football tonight, committed, passionate, great movement and some joined-up passing, a joy to watch first half.

Southgate is the dog's doo-dahs tonight, but he might have subbed earlier and that could have been more convincing.
But what a result.

Spain, however… wow, let's see…

Paul Ferry
245 Posted 10/07/2024 at 22:55:12
It's not just today, but for a week or so I've been wondering if Kane should start. Three goals, I know, but haven't two of them been pens?

Watkins is quicker, more nimble, mobile, gets in behind the defence. Better at chasing balls pumped forwards and for his height is a great header of the ball.

Kane, I think, looks below his best and off the pace. He might be better as an impact 20 minute sub and also on the pitch for pens. He tends to look sluggish as the second half drags on. And he drops deep and sometimes is quite simply not there when a ball is played into the box.

Watkins v Spain or Toney?

Tony Abrahams
246 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:02:13
Shane @203, made me smile that but I've been telling you about those referees for a long time on this website now, mate!

Very good point about Bellingham, Dave C, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him become the match-winner on Sunday, although maybe it's Foden, whose luck in front of goal has got to change soon.

The kid from Man Utd played an incredible game for one so young, and only showed naivety once in what was otherwise a 10 out of 10 performance.

Neil Copeland
247 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:03:34
Easy side of the draw? Well it was only made easy because Germany failed to beat the Swiss in the group stages. A Swiss team that beat the reigning European champions with aplomb in the last 16. And who knocked out the Swiss?

Yes, things have fallen into place for England and in that respect they have had a bit of luck but you need some luck to win tournaments. Spain got lucky in extra time against Germany who spurned 2 chances late on before Spain won it. They also got lucky against France last night with the French missing 2 glorious chances late on too.

England have done what they have needed to do and shown tremendous resilience in the process. The have grown into the tournament and got better as things progress. They beat a good side tonight and fully deserved it.

I fully expect them to beat Spain on Sunday too, England are getting better and will enjoy the space against Spain.

Shane Corcoran
248 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:03:48
Fair enough Paul.

Colin, tribalism rears its head in every Everton game, we're just on the same side and we tell each other how we're right and the other ones aren't.

Ian, it's not an England thread. Check the title.

By the way, Watkins man of the match is worth a mention. How?

Shane Corcoran
249 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:05:19
Tony, you have, but strangely quiet on that front tonight.

But to be clear, I said he was poor, not biased. We all have our bad days.

Paul Ferry
250 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:10:45
Neil Copeland 239:

"England have done what they have needed to do and shown tremendous resilience in the process. They have grown into the tournament and got better as things progress. They beat a good side tonight and fully deserved it."

Neil nails it there. That's the key, getting better as the tournament develops and the team develops with a shit-show or two along the way.

The Italians have been past masters at this. Like Neil, I think it's significant that England have clearly improved over the last two matches while Spain did not reach. the heights of their group games in their semi-final or quarter-final, though, to be fair, they were up against tougher teams.

Kieran Kinsella
251 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:11:38
What a great night – so many barriers broken.

End of Koeman hoodoo, first final outside England, and suddenly we are now what Germany used to be – the last-ditch heart-breakers of other teams.

Suddenly we have real character. Don't know what will happen Sunday but I'm enjoying tonight.

Kieran Kinsella
252 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:15:01

The easy thing makes me laugh too, mate.

Austria finished above France and Holland, Georgia above Portugal. Romania over Belgium. Do we dismiss those results and say “Well, Belgium used to be good, Portugal are supposed to be good, so we will take them on instead”?

Whoever got to whatever stage got their on merit ahead of other teams — no matter how great they might look on paper.

Tony Abrahams
254 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:17:02
Rob Halligan called it, Shane: it was a penalty because the referee gave it, but I'm sure you know me even though we have never met, and I'm certain that decisions like that penalty will eventually stop me from watching football.

I enjoyed the first half, knew once the ref went to the TV screen that he was going to give a penalty, and as usual I just shrugged my shoulders and shook my head and thought to myself that the game that I once knew and loved is simply not the same for me anymore.

George Stuart
255 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:24:33
Once again Southgate's genius shines through. Tire the Dutch out for 80 minutes and then introduce the boss, in form striker to win the game.

Spain though? Jees, they have looked good. Still, a hard-working gutsy England with a bit of luck, I can get behind that.

And a medal for Pickford. Might keep him at the club. Or might give him a taste for glory.

God, I'm a Jobe's witness.

Kieran Kinsella
259 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:43:20
Tony Abrahams

I get your point but in this day and age of what is a penalty I honestly thought that was pretty non-controversial. Everton have conceded numerous far more contentious ones.

But the reality of the modern interpretation is there are no accidents, no fifty-fifty balls.

If there's contact it goes the way of the attacker unless of course a goalie is involved as no one is allowed to breath on them without it being a foul.

By modern standards to me that was a straight-forward penalty.

Liam Mogan
261 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:54:36
I don't think England have ever had a player like Mainoo. An unbelievable footballer in the ilk of the Spanish masters Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets.

The opposition doesn't even press him as they know he won't lose it. Short forward passes are the hardest thing in football. He does it better than anyone.

Jack Convery
262 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:57:49
De Ligt caught cold by Watkins. Jarrad would have stopped that goal. That's what £70m plus gets you Manure !

Pickford 7 (Good game)
Walker 8 (Very good)
Stones 9 (Best centre-half in the competition)
Guehi 8 (Block on Weghorst after slipping – wonderful)
Trippier 7 (Did okay)
Rice 7 (Not at his best but good enough)
Mainoo 8 (Man Utd have a gem on their hands)
Saka 7 (Always a problem for Ake)
Foden 8 (Great first half)
Kane 8 (Still not at his best – great penalty)
Bellingham 8 (Still not at his best, More to come on Sunday methinks)
Shaw 7 (Looks rusty)
Palmer 8 (Great pass for the assist)
Watkins 8 (Great run, great first touch and second touch Wow!)

Koeman 0 (Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke!)

Kieran Kinsella
263 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:58:05

Yeah, I didn't see much of Mainoo last season but he's been phenomenal. Makes the idea we couldn't replace Phillips seem ridiculous.

Paul Ferry
264 Posted 10/07/2024 at 23:58:28
Spot on Liam. I watched him with genuine admiration today and he's the youngest of the lot of them. I love the way he runs forward with the ball and how many of his passes are wide of the mark?

There is an argument to make that England have more exceptional players than Spain - the seventeen-year-and-one-day-old on Sunday lad is, of course, genius. My hunch is that a combined England/Spain team would have more England players in it.


Jack, of the 11 who started, I would go:

Pickford 8
Trippier 5
Stones 8
Walker 7
Guehi 7
Saka 8
Rice 6
Mainoo 9
Foden 8
Bellingham 5
Kane 6

Kieran Kinsella
265 Posted 11/07/2024 at 00:09:36
Kind of funny that Mainoo sounds a lot like ManU. We need to sign that Brazilian Everton fellow.

Paul Ferry,

Yeah I agree on that. The scary thing though is the two Spanish youngsters could be around for the next 20 years. But with young players (16-23) England and Spain have an edge over anyone in the world.

Jerome Shields
266 Posted 11/07/2024 at 00:11:07
I just thought Koeman would not be good enough. England in the second half had the clearer chances and had a goal after the previous one disallowed, having exposed the defence again.

Pickford was steady, but not really tested. He can still produce those outstanding saves he is capable of against Spain.

Liam Mogan
267 Posted 11/07/2024 at 00:11:10
I agree Paul. I was talking to friends in the boozer after the game and saying that so many of this England squad are under 25, Foden, Bellingham, Guehi, Saka for eg and some even younger, Mainoo, Palmer, Wharton. If you add the likes of Jarrad to that then the future is bright.

What is so refreshing is how they are all so calm, collected and 'traditionally non-english' in how they play. Could you have imagined England bossing possession against the Dutch? And the Dutch resorting to 'throwing the big man on'. It's a difficult ask to get an international team playing well (you don't get the time like at club level), but England have some vast riches. Whatever happens Sunday, there's a lot to look forward to.

I hope the gozzy eyed capitalist twat keeps being as lucky as he has been!

Kieran Kinsella
268 Posted 11/07/2024 at 00:17:37

Pickford did have a couple of really good saves. I think you're just used to it now so take it for granted mate.

Paul Ferry
269 Posted 11/07/2024 at 00:29:56
Did anyone else spot Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink going full apeshit celebration after the final whistle with the rest of - Liam - Sir Gareth the Greatgate's coaching team?

We can hang traitors in these United States, the world's greatest ever democracy where "alabaster cities gleam" and someone who grew up in dire poverty - Jamie Crowley - can buy a house.

Paul Hughes
271 Posted 10/07/2024 at 00:36:11
Liam (261) I agree. Rhodri won’t be able to sit in his armchair in the final with Mainoo (and Rice, and Foden) giving him the runaround.
Paul Ferry
272 Posted 11/07/2024 at 00:37:55
Ha ha ha. I have a guillotine in the basement. Good old Senor Hewey I just think he went one Carlsberg too many (that's his tipple).

Exactly Paul (271). That is what happened in the cup final. The more I think of it, looking at Liam's list of young players, England do have a real chance of lifting the trophy, getting better from one game to the next.

Watkins's goal has been officially timed at 89 minutes, 59 seconds.

Great day at the test match too!

Jerome Shields
337 Posted 11/07/2024 at 06:04:54
Kieran #268,

I get your point. Pickford is starting to make it look easy, which is an ominous sign for non-England supporters. I can't help but feel that the trials and tribulations at Everton have prepared Pickford for his present situation.

Colin Glassar
338 Posted 11/07/2024 at 06:37:20
Agreed, Jerome. Last night the pundits were going on about Pickford lacking the experience of “high pressure” games, eg, tile races, cup finals, European ties etc…. I'd say 2-3 seasons of warding off relegation battles brings its own “high pressure”.
Steve Brown
339 Posted 11/07/2024 at 06:52:37
Well done to Yerry and James on beating the dastardly Uruguayans! They handled defeat with their usual dignity.

On England, that was a cast iron 100% penalty. Foot and studs up in the penalty area is dangerous play – if he had made contact with Kane's knee it could have seriously damaged him.

In midfield, the tactical compromises needed to include Foden and Bellingham remind me of the Gerrard and Lampard saga that held England back over several years. Also, having a mobile forward who can make runs behind an average Spain defence would make a big difference.

If Southgate had the cojones to select Cole Palmer and Ollie Watkins against Spain, then I would be confident that we can win the Euros. Instead, he will pick Bellingham, Foden and the statuesque Kane. He is so immobile you could hang your washing off him.

Bob Parrington
340 Posted 11/07/2024 at 07:08:28
Well done, England! Best performance so far this tournament, particularly in the first half. Lucky with the penalty decision though (IMO). Great goal by Watkins.

Will have to be playing to our utmost best to beat Spain, I think.

Danny Baily
341 Posted 11/07/2024 at 07:11:15
Steve 339, there's something to be said for opposition defences, after having little defending to do against Kane, suddenly coming up against the pace and movement of Palmer and Watkins.

For me, it's Rice that's underutilised in this squad. But who cares? We're into the final and Gordon, having had his holidays ruined, isn't even in the frame for a cameo appearance. Brilliant!

Ray Roche
342 Posted 11/07/2024 at 08:34:27
Good result for England.

On the penalty decision, on numerous occasions, once at Goodison versus Wolves, a defender has been in the act of clearing the ball when an opponent has put his foot/leg in the way resulting in him getting kicked. The defender could do nothing about it but a penalty was given. By that reckoning, it was a penalty.

Tony Abrahams
343 Posted 11/07/2024 at 08:35:41
Thanks for your interpretation, Kieran, which pretty much nails it mate.

It wasn't even contentious, is exactly why I'm losing interest in a sport that is losing its way regarding physical contact, imo.

The other shout about Everton suffering a lot worse decisions than last night's is another reason why I have become disillusioned because this is something I hear on a regular basis.

Every single team gets bad decisions (some more than others, I know) but football has definitely developed a “fuck them” attitude with “everyone” prepared to take “anything” that goes their way nowadays, and it's just very off-putting because it means cheating, and “very subjective” decisions made because they can now go back and look at a television have become acceptable.

I don't mind getting beaten by a better team (I never did) but I could never tolerate getting beaten by a cheat, and football is now littered by cheating.

Martin Farrington
344 Posted 11/07/2024 at 08:39:44
What happened?
Mark Murphy
345 Posted 11/07/2024 at 08:44:01
Just seen this…
“Wow, 189-3?
Wonder if any bettors had England to win by 186.”

Were you serious MG??

Dave Abrahams
346 Posted 11/07/2024 at 09:24:09
What a performance by Kane in the penalty incident with each roll over asking VAR “Did you see that?”

Get up off the floor you cheating tart!

Ernie Baywood
347 Posted 11/07/2024 at 09:32:01
Dave, do you not think that challenge would have hurt like hell?
James MacGlashan
348 Posted 11/07/2024 at 09:45:05
England deserved it overall. Great finish by Watkins. Kane shouldn't start on Sunday but will. It was never a pen.

Who made contact with whom? I hate them when they get given outside the box but VAR doesn't get involved then so the ref just sees contact and hears a cry.

As us Evertonians know Kane does cheat/make the most of contact. Yes,, it may have hurt but he knew what he was doing.

Try and be fair, folks. If that was given against Everton or England, what would you say? If you'd say "Defo a penalty," then so be it. But I doubt you would.

James MacGlashan
349 Posted 11/07/2024 at 09:52:16
Ray (342).

Are you saying that the kick from the defender at Goodison made contact with the forward and thus a penalty was given? If so, aren't you then providing an argument for a foul by Kane last night?

I don't think it was a foul by either Kane or Dumfries.

Mike Doyle
350 Posted 11/07/2024 at 09:55:25
Clearly opinions seem divided on the England penalty

Personally, I agree with ex-ref and Evertonian Mark Halsey who said it was a ridiculous decision which did not require VAR intervention and should not have been given.

However, the really entertaining bit was the news that the ref in question has served a ban for match-fixing. You couldn't make it up.

Ernie Baywood
351 Posted 11/07/2024 at 10:15:30
At the time, I was surprised it was given – simply because defenders seem to be able to do anything when trying to charge down a shot. But I do think that's a penalty.

Not because 'there's contact' but because of the way he does it. He could have thrown himself across the line of the shot to block it but he didn't – he stretched and tried to get to the ball with the sole of his foot.

And it wasn't just Kane making contact. Dumfries is going straight through the line of the ball and Kane's foot. He ends up a few yards past Kane - that's not a block, that's a challenge.

It's clumsy and it's pretty dangerous. No malice, but a bad split-second decision.

Joe McMahon
352 Posted 11/07/2024 at 10:29:58
I'm sure we all remember Saint Harry's reaction to the push from Doucoure, it was pathetic. He's known as Harry Claim for a reason, and amazingly, after being in apparent agony, he rises like Lazarus to score that ridiculous penalty.

If England win the Euros, there is a good chance that Southgate and Kane will be knighted.

Duncan McDine
353 Posted 11/07/2024 at 10:35:35
Another legendary phone-in from 'Steve the Evertonian' on TalkSport – the guy is fantastic!

I don't know if you're on TW, Steve (or if anyone knows him?), but you're a star.

Derek Knox
354 Posted 11/07/2024 at 10:38:13
Duncan, go on mate, spill, or give us the gist.

I very rarely listen to TalkShite! :-)

James Hughes
355 Posted 11/07/2024 at 10:49:42
Pickford being Pickford and dissing St Virgil

In the past years he has gone from "Why did did we sign him?" to "Thank the Lord we signed him!"

Reddit: Another Finals appearance for Pickford

Brian Williams
356 Posted 11/07/2024 at 11:01:20
Sure that's real, James? 🤣
Andrew Ellams
357 Posted 11/07/2024 at 11:05:14
People have moaned for years that England couldn't play tournament football and needed to be more German and Italian about it but now they're doing exactly that folk still aren't happy.

Who said football fans are a fickle bunch?

Brian Williams
358 Posted 11/07/2024 at 11:05:34
If a fullback is clearing his lines, playing a ball down the wing out of defence, and the opposing forward comes in and catches him just as he's kicked the ball with his foot high and studs showing, it's a free kick every day of the week.

Why should it not be because it's in the penalty area?

Yes, Kane made a meal of it, something which nearly every player does these days (much to my own disgust), but that's a side issue IMO.

James Hughes
359 Posted 11/07/2024 at 11:45:15
Brian TBH I don't care if it isn't. Would be great if it was though
Dave Abrahams
360 Posted 11/07/2024 at 11:49:24
Ernie (347), every challenge on Kane hurts like hell, real or imaginary.

He goes down three or four times a game, each time holding his right ankle, automatically. Some of the other England players are starting to do the same – Saka threw himself on the floor trying for a foul, the referee ignored him, should have booked him.

Years ago we used to accuse foreign players of diving and cheating… blimey, we didn't half learn from them, we are miles better than them now.

Of course it was a penalty — the ref and VAR told us so — them's the rules now, Ernie!

Neil Lawson
361 Posted 11/07/2024 at 11:56:39

Sir Gareth and Sir Harry. Absolutely guaranteed if they win. Never will have so much been so undeserved by so few.

Dean Johnson
362 Posted 11/07/2024 at 11:58:44
Penalty every time. It's a free kick anywhere else on the pitch, Dumfries actually admitted it and took responsibility.

When I used to play, someone was taking a shot, I put my leg in there so he kicked me instead of the ball.

Who gets the free kick?

The guy taking the shot. I then couldn't walk for a week.

Btw football is not a contact sport, despite protestations of the old guard. Contact in football is incidental, not required or allowed.

I mean, I was a bit of a clogger myself but I admit, it's cheating just as much as diving, but you're actually trying to get someone hurt which is worse.

Bill Gall
364 Posted 11/07/2024 at 12:26:42
On the penalty, I guess there would be a number of comments changed if that tackle had been made by a Liverpool player on Calvert-Lewin in a derby game.

It was an experienced referee who gave the decision after a closer look on a monitor and that is all we can ask for.

Trevor Powell
365 Posted 11/07/2024 at 12:33:34
Kane is a busted flush being picked because Southgate can't stand up to him. No player is indispensible!
Ian Jones
366 Posted 11/07/2024 at 12:47:46
Kieran way back at 131 posted the below yesterday at 21:16:14.

'Southgate probably told them them to play badly and try and snatch a last gasp winner so he can play victim if during the half a few fans shake their heads and say "Oh goodness we can play better than this!"'

Sort of works :)

Roger Helm
367 Posted 11/07/2024 at 12:54:25
Paul 229, what is it specifically you are ashamed of in British history?

Taking the lead in the abolition of slavery?
Magna Carta, habeas corpus and the presumption of innocence?
The social reforms of the 19th Century?
Inventing pretty much all of the modern world, such as antibiotics, jet engines and civil nuclear power, computers and the internet, etc?
Two years standing alone against the Nazis while the Americans sat on their hands and the Russians actively helped them?

It can't be denied that there was a British Empire, at a time when most countries were trying to have an Empire. But still, it always feels good to judge the past by the moral standards of today.

Actually, there is good and bad in all countries' history, but there is no need for you to feel ashamed of what other people did in the past.

Tom Bowers
368 Posted 11/07/2024 at 12:56:51
We can only take what is given. Sometimes poor decisions go in your favour.

With the fine nucleus of class players Southgate was given I suppose they are not out of place in the final.

However, they have struggled but made the most of good fortune, arguably being in the easier side of the draw and having an unconvincing manager.

Ed Prytherch
369 Posted 11/07/2024 at 13:13:32
Brian @358,

That is the way I saw it too. Before it went to VAR, I said to my wife that if that challenge had been outside the box it would be a free kick. Thankfully VAR got it right this time.

Ray Roche
370 Posted 11/07/2024 at 13:32:38
James @349,

What I'm saying, James, is that the defender, in this case Gomes, was facing the side of the pitch in the area. As he was about to clear the ball, the attacker, from behind, put his leg in such a position that Gomes could do nothing but connect with it.

The attacker in effect ‘bought' the penalty. He didn't play the ball and wasn't close enough to actually get to the ball but he still engineered a penalty.

Neil Lawson
371 Posted 11/07/2024 at 13:41:25
Sunny 'ere in Devon and I have just spent a happy half hour reading many of the comments and arguments.

It's fascinating that we can have such divergent views and how we can see things so differently and be prepared to argue until the Devon cows come home that black is white and we are right!

One thing we can agree upon is that V.V.Dickhead is an arrogant knob and everyone is happy that he lost. Also, that if it is Sir Harry and Sir Gareth, it should also be Sir Jordan. ( can you imagine?😁)

Ooh, and finally… Penalty? Never.

Rob Halligan
372 Posted 11/07/2024 at 13:47:31
Talking about possible knighthoods, weren’t all the 1966 World Cup winning team knighted, some posthumously?
Roger Helm
373 Posted 11/07/2024 at 14:40:51
Regarding honours, if it is just for this tournament ,then it should be for all the players, not just the big names. If it is for the achievements over a career, it should be at the end of the career.

Having said all that, I don't agree with the honours system anyway. By and large, an honour usually means you are a government penpusher, a backbench stooge MP, or you have bought it.

John Raftery
374 Posted 11/07/2024 at 15:29:29
Rob (372),

All the winning eleven eventually received an MBE – aka My Bloody Efforts. A few ended up with OBEs – aka Other Buggers' Efforts. The latter included Bobby Moore and Jack Charlton.

I think the only knighthoods were awarded to Bobby Charlton and Geoff Hurst long after they finished playing – and of course Alf Ramsey.

One of the surprises was that none of the squad who missed out on the final received a winner's medal on the day. That was put right about 15 years ago.

Rob Halligan
375 Posted 11/07/2024 at 15:56:36
Cheers, John.

I thought they were all knighted, but I know Roger Hunt got a knighthood, though not sure if it was as a result of being in the 1966 World Cup squad or not.

John Raftery
376 Posted 11/07/2024 at 16:08:47
Rob, I think that knighthood was awarded by our friends on the Kop!
Dale Self
377 Posted 11/07/2024 at 16:11:28
Steve 339, that was a decent South American dust-up last night. Fouls that could have seen cards were given a pass, some overlooked for play continuation. I hope the Colombian left-back isn't the last of the Mojica-ns, we could use a left-back like that. Put in a massive shift that guy.

Regarding England, as Craig Berube said to the Blues before winning the Stanley Cup, "We are here because we are a good fucking team and deserve to be here. Now, let's go win the fucking cup!"

Using the royal 'we' there of course.

Danny O’Neill
378 Posted 11/07/2024 at 16:43:41
I'll stay out of the penalty debate. It was given.

On history. Just about every country I can think of has history,

Germany, Belgium, Polish and Croatian collaboration with the Nazis. The Soviet Union and modern-day Russia. Japan. The US and how it dealt with the native Americans. Italy under Mussolini. The French went through a phase of chopping their own people's heads off.

We could go on. I love how this website goes into different subject areas!!

History is what is. Different times. The important thing is that we learn from it. Sadly with Putin being the closest thing we've had since the Fuhrer, we often don't. He always resented the breakup of the Soviet Union.

Back on topic, I'm intrigued about the Spain v England match on Sunday. For those travelling and the tourists amongst you, if you have time, take in the Stasi museum, the home of the old East German Secret Police. Left as was and a fascinating walk around.

Stephen Davies
379 Posted 11/07/2024 at 17:00:56
Danny... unfortunately with history it often repeats itself and people don't learn from it... eg Trump and Oswald Mos… I mean Farage.
Ray Roche
380 Posted 11/07/2024 at 17:18:09
'with Putin being the closest thing we've had since the Fuhrer'
You never met my ex did you?

Steve Brown
381 Posted 11/07/2024 at 17:32:13
Dale, the Uruguayans always exit a tournament in style.

Tackles above waist high, kicking off mass brawls in the centre circle with the opposition, then a quick leap into the crowd to beat up some fans!

Danny O’Neill
382 Posted 11/07/2024 at 17:53:24
That made me smile, Ray.

In the empire of evil, I forgot to mention Liverpool Football Club!!

Mike Gaynes
383 Posted 11/07/2024 at 19:14:21
Mark #345, I'm just a wide-eyed innocent when it comes to cricket.

Steve #381, absolutely right. If you're in the mood for rampant violence and there aren't any Rambo movies available at the moment, any important Uruguay game will satisfy completely.

Although you'll notice things didn't go completely off the rails until Ratboy checked in off the bench.

Don Alexander
384 Posted 11/07/2024 at 21:12:46
Talking of "rampant violence" invites me to say to our American brothers that on 1 March 2025 there's a series of rugby league games taking place in Las Vegas with great clubs from Aussie and England competing in earnest.

The "rampant violence" is all within the rules but I wager they'll make American Footballers seem like wimps!

Oliver Molloy
385 Posted 11/07/2024 at 21:39:19
England could not beat a bang average Italian side on home turf so the task of beating a very good Spanish team will be interesting – especially with Southgate in charge. I mean, if Guardiola was looking after this England team, they would be blowing most teams away, wouldn't they?

I'd say Pickford and his defenders will need to be on top form – the Barcelona wonder kid touched by the hand of Messi badly wants to outshine his hated rivals starman.

Dale Self
386 Posted 12/07/2024 at 17:34:33
Ha, Steve, any Uruguayan exit from a tournament is stylish.

The black book of Uruguayan tactics was one of the first things I learned about football from my good Colombian friend.

Brian Wilkinson
387 Posted 13/07/2024 at 18:37:44
Anyone needing a fix before tomorrow's final, the 1966 World Cup Final is on C4+1 now in colour.
Dave Cashen
388 Posted 13/07/2024 at 18:55:28
I just watched it, Brian.

Bally was everywhere. What a player!

Alan McGuffog
389 Posted 13/07/2024 at 19:01:25

I rreally like the look of that Number 7… Ball?

Maybe a cheeky bid?

Brian Wilkinson
390 Posted 13/07/2024 at 19:07:50
I had to put it on the +1 channel — too late to the show for Channel 4.

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