Season › 2024-25 › News David Moyes casts long shadow over beleaguered Sean Dyche after incredible Bournemouth collapse 02/09/2024 21comments | Jump to last At sunny Goodison Park, chatter about former manager David Moyes cast a long shadow over Sean Dyche as the Everton boss came to terms with an astonishing late collapse. Moyes, who took Everton into the top four and to the FA Cup Final, is available after leaving West Ham and is based in the North West. It only adds to the pressure on Dyche, whose reputation for building organised and disciplined teams was at odds with the chaos of the final few minutes on Saturday. » Read the full article at Mail Online Reader Comments (21) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer () Ian Bennett 1 Posted 02/09/2024 at 08:21:08 They'll get hammered by Villa, and that's him done. Textor deal will be announced and Moyes will be back. Eddie Dunn 2 Posted 02/09/2024 at 08:49:26 As for a Moyes return, he might be a slight improvement but West Ham fans bemoaned his subs which were usually like-for-like and late.Remember what it was like.Going back never works. Lester Yip 3 Posted 02/09/2024 at 11:46:30 Correct but inappropriate comments by not shouldering the complete responsibility for the loss when the team's morale is low was a fatal mistake. If we cannot get a bounce next game, it will show he's lost the dressing room. Then acting early by installing a new replacement is wise.Unpopular it may seem, but picking Moyes for a bounce in the short term is the right choice. The last thing we need is to change the style of play again where the players have to re-re-re-adapt. Nigel Scowen 4 Posted 02/09/2024 at 12:04:48 Lester, I agree, we won't go down with Moyes — and that in the short term is the most important thing, regardless of how pretty it looks. Jimmy Carr 5 Posted 02/09/2024 at 12:05:07 Who else would manage us? Graham Potter would melt away at Goodison in the current combustible atmosphere. David Moyes? More of the same, another one-trick pony. Should we go for someone young with no Premier League experience from the Championship? We'd just do another Luton, go down playing nice football. There's no-one around to sack Dyche so we'd better get used to him for now. But I agree with one thing, he needs to learn some lessons from Saturday as much as anyone, and pronto. Paul Hewitt 6 Posted 02/09/2024 at 12:13:39 I know one thing, we absolutely don't lose that game on Saturday if Moyes was in charge. And no I'm not saying we bring Moyes back. For me, I'd give Potter a go. I think we showed on Saturday for 87 minutes that there's a decent football in them. It just needs someone with modern football knowledge to take us forward. James Marshall 7 Posted 02/09/2024 at 12:23:27 Moyes? Please god no – never go back, it rarely, if ever works. Plus swapping Dyche for Moyes would be like Japan redesigning their flag in the 90's.Clue: it's identical but for a very subtle change in the colour (in this case, 2 greying gingers)Graham Potter would be my choice – young, progressive, plays good football and would likely get a decent tune out of this lot, the way he did with Brighton.Will we change managers? No, no we won't. Nigel Scowen 8 Posted 02/09/2024 at 13:04:09 I dont think Potter would come here, great if he does and we can some how make it happen. Failing that:The only time I have seen competitive football in Europe was under David Moyes and Im 55. Its not pretty granted but we must stay in the division.Paul Hewitt @6 agree, we definitely do not lose or even draw that game under Moyes. I dont remember Moyes setting any unwanted records, may be wrong here but certainly nothing as catastrophic as the two broken in the last 12 months.Apart from one season when we finished comfortably one place above relegation, 12 points if I remember, I dont remember Moyes ever being in danger of taking us down. Again, happy to be corrected.The team is much better than Dyches results suggest. He has to go. Nigel Scowen 9 Posted 02/09/2024 at 13:20:34 Eddie Dunn @2 I think West Ham fans have memory issues knowing a couple of the beauts myself so I wouldnt give them the time of day frankly.Moyes was still getting rubbish off them before they had even found a home for the European trophy he won in their ‘plenty of room trophy cabinet. Im not saying Moyes is the perfect choice but even a slight improvement may well be enough to keep us in this division. Paul Hewitt 10 Posted 02/09/2024 at 13:38:28 Moyes would get this squad top 10 easily. He'd win the home games you expect to win. And probably get us five away wins. Mike Hughes 11 Posted 02/09/2024 at 13:40:55 Just to be on-topic.We played Wigan at home around 2008 (I think).Winning 2-0 going into the last 15 mins.3 points in the bag.Moyes took Lee Carsley off. He was playing a blinder as sweeper (if memory serves).We drew 2-2.Carsley had stopped everything that day and did not appear to be injured.Wigan capitalised.Not anywhere near as catastrophic as Bournemouth - but a glaring error by the then manager.I also remember him getting the bifters on here for his mediocre substitutions (not going for it etc).Just saying ……Edit - this is not a comment on DM as a manager. He did well for EFC in the first few years here before it all got a bit (we thought) stale. Put is back on the map. But everyone makes mistakes. Fred Quick 12 Posted 02/09/2024 at 13:41:50 At no previous point in time would I have even considered the return of David Moyes as Everton manager, but circumstances do change and at least the dour Scotsman would have an affinity with the club and he knows what the fans will put up with and what they won't. Too many of the recent Everton managers have distanced themselves from the supporters and look as if they are observers rather than the leaders we need them to be. I thought Dyche was the right choice, but he seems to find managing Everton as an annoyance rather than an opportunity, albeit in difficult circumstances. Whether Dyche sees out the season or not, the difficulty of keeping Everton in the division will remain, but it would be better if the manager of the club, harnessed the passionate nature of Everton's support, rather than feel that they are part of the clubs issues. Our situation doesn't call for us to be too adventurous in the near term, but it does demand that everybody at the club is pulling in the same direction, will Dyche be able to change his ways, and more importantly his messaging, or do we need to turn to someone who we know? Moyes has similar methods to Dyche, but he is someone we know will demand the utmost from his players, even if he's only slightly better at obtaining results over a season. John Raftery 13 Posted 02/09/2024 at 14:09:37 I was a big fan of Moyes who got more things right than he got wrong in his time with us. Now is not the time for his return. There was much that was excellent with Sean Dyche's team and the way they played on Saturday until the 83rd minute. He now needs to build on the positives. The return of Branthwaite will have a huge impact, Garner or Mangala will make us more solid in midfield while the attacking play of Ndiaye and Calvert-Lewin will ensure we win enough points to reach mid-table. Barry Rathbone 14 Posted 02/09/2024 at 14:15:00 Ha! Moyes, the return of no ambition together with celebration of upper mid table - if lucky.Not just the old sky 4 to contend with nowadays - City, Newcastle, Villa even Brighton have our number. If he's thinking "no problem It's the same shite as before" he's off his cake. Unless massive money comes in the construction of BMD has done for us for the foreseeable - quite literally we are dead in the water.But at least Everton would be one less distraction and I'd finally get the house finished. 'Kinell, Moyes Andrew Merrick 15 Posted 02/09/2024 at 15:31:06 Mike 11...I've thought a lot about Lee Carsley the last few years, he was not fully appreciated as a player, I always rated him and watched him grow as a manager.Perhaps after his caretaker role is done, he will fancy club management... Andrew Clare 16 Posted 02/09/2024 at 15:35:03 I'd rather have Dyche than Mr Mediocrity himself, David Moyes, he is part of the reason that we are no longer a force in football.Please, somebody with half a brain, takeover our club. Jack Convery 17 Posted 02/09/2024 at 15:44:20 If Moyes had never managed us he would be a shoe in to replace Dyche but he has and so he shouldn't. Been there seen that, not for me thanks. As for Potter he would want them playing out from the back like Kompany did with Burnley, it wouldn't work with these players.A question I have for Dyche. You said the players should know you must play for the full 90 minutes plus the injury time. So why did you bring Ndiaye off to get a big round of applause ? That signalled to me, you thought the game was done and dusted or am I wrong.I am absolutely choked with that result. I felt physically sick when that 3rd went in. I posted a quite sweary post on the live forum. So bad I later apologised for it. However it was akin to a former Heavy Weight Champion making a comeback, only to see all his effort and brilliance in the early rounds, wasted in a last round beating, ending in a serious knock out and an end to all his dreams.That result will hang over EFC for a very long time, unless the manager and the players start winning games instead of bottling them.Great article Lyndon. Sums it all up perfectly.PS: £5m for ensuring we finish above 18th. Whats that all about ? Mike Hughes 18 Posted 02/09/2024 at 16:18:47 Andrew #15In those days, Lee Carsley was the first name on my EFC team-sheet (in front of the back 4).Yes - very under-rated.Of course, management is very different to playing (see Wayne R, Frank L and others for reference) but I hope he does well. Danny O’Neill 19 Posted 02/09/2024 at 16:47:34 Moyes is not for me, although I knew the calls would be coming.I also wouldn't fancy Potter.If and when we replace Dyche, I'd rather we cast the net a bit further.There are only 3 English managers in the Premier League. I rather we cast the net further. Alan J Thompson 20 Posted 02/09/2024 at 17:14:01 I don't think bringing somebody back is ever acceptable although I might make an exception for Ancelotti but if Moyes was to come back it would only be in a brief caretaker role until a full time replacement is appointed.If Dyche was sacked tomorrow do we have anyone within who could successfully step up for the caretaker role as I haven't seen evidence of any of the Academy coaches being up to it.And before anyone asks for names, I have pointed out before that almost every Premier League team has made managerial changes in the last two years or so and we would not be the only club to have done so a couple or more times, so there are plenty out there even if we don't have too many, if any, executives capable of picking the right one. Nigel Scowen 21 Posted 02/09/2024 at 17:15:54 Any Managers that spring to mind Danny that could fit the bill, certainly it may make sense to offer it to a young hungry Manager from abroad thats done well in their own league and is up to speed with the modern game Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. How to get rid of these ads and support TW © ToffeeWeb