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Sean Dyche says he wants to lead Everton into the new stadium next year but he accepts there are no guarantees of anything other than his determination to keep trying to improve the Club’s fortunes on the field.

The 53-year-old is out of contract at the end of this season and with Everton’s ownership situation having been up in the air for 12 months, there have been no discussions over new terms.

Dyche’s future was already the subject of much speculation given the fact that the Blues have made another terrible start to a season under his stewardship but the news this week that The Friedkin Group (TFG) have agreed a deal to buy Farhad Moshiri out of his majority stake in the Club has placed further doubt over whether the manager will be retained beyond the summer.

With the process of regulatory approval by the Football Association, Financial Conduct Authority and Premier League only just underway, with a timeline of anywhere between four to 12 weeks having been mooted, the Friedkins have not made known their plans for Everton or spoken with Dyche but there is every chance they may want to bring in their own hand-picked personnel.

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Dyche is hoping to use the next few weeks to prove that he is the man to take the Toffees forward and earn a new deal in time for the inaugural season at Bramley-Moore Dock.

“I haven’t spoken to them [and] I don’t know when I’m likely to,” the manager said of TFG. “It’s not a given that they’ll speak with me but you would imagine they will at some point.

“[Clarity over my own future] is not really relevant. I’ve tried to speak openly about it — I got brought here as a custodian … to do a specific job, I feel, especially looking backwards from where it was to where it is now, and I continue to work hard at that.

“And that will be my focus; everything else will sort itself out. Obviously, we’ve got to change results — that’s a given, but the actual workload of what I’ve done here has been considerable and I’ll just keep doing that.

“However it opens up in the future, we’ll see.”

He was asked later whether he wanted to be in the job when Everton move into their new stadium next year and while he said he would, he was pragmatic about the unknowns of what the new owners might want.

“Of course I do. What, dig this out for 21 months, or whatever it will be by then, for them to go: ‘Thanks for looking after us, off you pop’? Of course I would, but there is no divine right that they will say: ‘You are definitely the person to do this.’ And, if not, that is the way it goes.

“I don’t guarantee anything. What I do guarantee is hard work. I can’t guarantee that I am here, I can’t guarantee they finish off the ownership deal, I can’t guarantee they put £100m in or £10m. I can’t guarantee any of that. All I can guarantee is my own hard work, helping others the best I can and trying to balance out the situation.

“Until they give a feel or a steer on it, everything is conjecture.”

Quotes sourced from The Guardian



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Larry O'Hara
1 Posted 26/09/2024 at 23:40:44
A fair answer and results will improve. I hope!
Julian Wait
2 Posted 27/09/2024 at 00:05:39
I'm not inpanic mode yet. We should definitely always be assessing the market, and if at some point a great option becomes available, we can decide then.

Change for change's sake might give a short lift but we need stability.

Medium-term I expect Howe will get the shaft from Newcastle and he would be my preferred option if things haven't improved. I think he's a better fit than Potter.

Billy Fisher
3 Posted 26/09/2024 at 00:15:02
Of course he does...I'm surprised by the man's patience and self controll when asked stupid questions
Dennis Stevens
4 Posted 27/09/2024 at 00:17:05
Does this mean Dyche is ruling himself out of the England job?
Bob Parrington
5 Posted 27/09/2024 at 00:46:04
I hope he is in charge when we start the next season in the EPL at BMD. Why? Because it will mean he has done a great job and we recover this season to be well placed in the top 10 at least.

Here's hoping.

Josh Martin
6 Posted 27/09/2024 at 02:18:11
I feel for him. He's obviously a good man placed in an impossible situation.

Like other comments here and elsewhere, he has to turn this around to secure his hope.

Mark Andersson
7 Posted 27/09/2024 at 04:12:51
Julian Wait, I don't get your logic, if Howe gets tge sack from Newcastle it's because he has not done a good job, but you would want him at Everton?

Perfect fit for us as a dysfunctional club as it stands, but hopefully with the new owners the standard will be higher and more professional..

I suspect the new owners would want someone of a higher standard than Howe

Kieran Kinsella
8 Posted 27/09/2024 at 04:50:29
Honestly some of those journalists ask the stupidest questions. What did you expect him to say? “Hell no the last thing I want to do is stay here beyond this season with potentially better owners and a new stadium. I’d much rather be unemployed and savor the memory of Goodison and the Moshiri/Kenwright days of misery.”
Bobby Mallon
9 Posted 27/09/2024 at 06:18:23
What is a better manager. Besides from pep and arteta all the managers are as good as each other. Just look at the table. Upto tenth those teams have won 2 games we win our next 2 and we are up there. I'm not a dyche fan but I would rather have him at the moment.
Paul Hewitt
10 Posted 27/09/2024 at 06:52:11
Well I can tell him now,with pretty much certainty. He won't be manager at the new stadium. I'd bet he won't see the season out.
Kim Vivian
11 Posted 27/09/2024 at 07:16:26
The change begins tomorrow against, somewhat ironically, (Textor's) Crystal Palace. I honestly believe that the optimism that I feel, and that pervades the club with the TFG announcement will carry over to the players, and we will see a "new manager (owner in this case) bounce" even though it is not done and dusted yet.

I echo Bob Parrington at post #5. We have had glimpses of the football that Dyche can provide and if he could just at least listen to, and act, on some of the justified criticism he receives, he can improve his own performance along with the squad results.

Get us somehow into the top half this season, starting tomorrow, and there is a chance he just might be taking us to BMD.

Paul Smith
12 Posted 27/09/2024 at 07:18:16
Comes across as passive aggressive tbh - sounds resentful and angry at times. It's okay Sean, you've done your job if we change hands and manager's in the Prem.
Si Pulford
13 Posted 27/09/2024 at 08:06:05
Mark 7- I don’t get your logic to be honest. Are you saying you wouldn’t take a manager that’s been sacked? I’m not sure we’re in the position to approach klopp or guardiola. Apart from them pretty much every top level manager that has won stuff has been sacked at some point, the big jobs bring the biggest pressure and the biggest jeopardy. Carlo came to us after being sacked by Napoli. Emery got sacked by Arsenal. Chelsea sacked Tuchel after he got them the champions league. In Italy the my hire and fire every ten minutes. I certainly won’t judge an incoming manager on whether they’ve been sacked.
Sam Hoare
14 Posted 27/09/2024 at 08:21:37
Dyche certainly has his faults (which we have seen highlighted over the opening of this season) but I don’t think it can be accurately said that he has not improved us.

59 games prior to Dyche (Benitez and Lampard): 54 points
59 games following his appointment: 69 points. That’s an upturn of 25%.

And that’s despite having a negative net spend over his tenure. Of course if the results continue as they have this season then that ‘improvement’ will be eradicated.

I don’t think Dyche will be in charge next season but if he turns this season around and continues to improve us then he’ll certainly deserve consideration.

Bill Fairfield
15 Posted 27/09/2024 at 08:22:54
Results will have to improve considerably if Dyche has a chance of making it to Bramley Moore. Be surprised if TFG don’t make a change. They seem very quick on the trigger,if you take Roma as an example.
Tony Abrahams
16 Posted 27/09/2024 at 08:28:44
I haven’t listened to him speaking but I have read the article and I think it’s natural for him to be a little bit angry, or passive aggressive Paul S, because he’s taken some stick off Evertonians, even though he has done a very good job - (subjective, I know) - in unbelievably difficult circumstances (not subjective) and maybe he thinks that if people knew the half of it, they might give him just a little bit more love?

Neville Southall, gave Dyche some very good advice the other day, so hopefully he takes it on board, but if he doesn’t get that new manager bounce that Kim mentions, then he must be perilously close to the sack.

Imagine he came out and said listen, there is no way on this earth that Everton would still be a premier league club if it wasn’t for me, Kevin Thelwell, or the amazing Evertonians, even though a lot of them fucking hate me!

Eddie Dunn
17 Posted 27/09/2024 at 09:17:24
I think that he has a chance of still being the "custodian" at the start of next season and the ownership good news will, I am sure spur the players ans stsff on and better results will follow.
I suspect though, that they will be looking for a man with a plan A, B and C. A manager who gets more out of his players and a guy who takes responsibility for his own mistakes.
Sean has done better than Lampard and hopefully now has the motivation to improve.
Dave Abrahams
18 Posted 27/09/2024 at 09:17:55
Tony (16), Good post Tony, that’s the way I see it, especially your last paragraph, no one knows how this will turn out for Everton and Dyche we can only guess or surmise, except for one fan who can say, with certainty, that Dyche won’t be manager when we play at the new stadium.
Phillip Warrington
19 Posted 27/09/2024 at 09:26:34
If it was 10 years ago, without a doubt; he is a good honest bloke and that is as far as he can go, as with Burnley before. His game revolves around good honest performances from the players but, when that doesn't work, he doesn't seem to have a Plan B.

Today's game has become very technical and a high level of technical ability is needed to challenge for honours. We need a manager who can improve the players' technical ability, and be on the front foot instead of chasing shadows.

There seem to be a lot of young managers in the German league lately improving teams over there.

Ajay Gopal
20 Posted 27/09/2024 at 09:35:47
I like Sean Dyche - he is no-nonsense, gets (or tries to get) the fundamentals right - hard work, defensive solidity, etc. But he is also a smart tactician when he has the opportunity. Of course, the start of this season has been awful, and Dyche bears some responsibility for it, and unless results turn around quickly, he could be out on his ass sooner than he knows it. But, he has also been undermined by injuries to key players and also the new signings have needed some time to get bedded in - Ndiaye, Lindstrom, Mangala, etc.

In any case, I can see a scenario where if Dyche were to get us to play good football and keep us comfortably out of the relegation zone over the latter part of the season, Friedkin may just give him an extension to lead the team out to BMD. And I wouldn't begrudge him the opportunity.

Allen Rodgers
21 Posted 27/09/2024 at 10:01:29
Wants to be in charge of what ? Car parking ?
Peter Hodgson
22 Posted 27/09/2024 at 10:01:56
I've been one who in recent times has been a Dyche critic. I make no apologies for that as his game plan and substitutions have, in my view, been the reason why we have lost matches from winning positions. Others may argue differently. It makes you wonder if he has it in him.

If he is to retain his job beyond the end of the season a prompt turn around, which is sustained, in results is needed to show that his players are not the rag bag bunch they often seem to be now we have a more stable Club.

He will then need to set out to the new owners what his vision is and explain how he intends to achieve it and what is needed to make it possible. A tall order but it very much depends on the Manager and the Players as to what happens.

Jimmy Salt
23 Posted 27/09/2024 at 10:48:45
If he lasts to the end of the season hes done well.
Barry Rathbone
24 Posted 27/09/2024 at 10:55:35
Can't see SD being here for BMD.

New owners will want to appear to be doing something pronto and nothing pacifies the loud minority like the head of a manager.The ensuing 6 to 8 game honeymoon period with the new guy in charge when all appears possible is cat nip to them.

Then it's back to business and more knife sharpening.

Alan J Thompson
25 Posted 27/09/2024 at 11:09:55
I have similar aspirations with my lottery numbers.
Joe McMahon
26 Posted 27/09/2024 at 11:21:57
Sean's target is to earn it then. If and it's a big if he evolves his outlook and game management and playing style I have no problem with that.
Danny O'Neill
27 Posted 27/09/2024 at 11:54:34
Well, genuine good luck to him, because if he achieves, then Everton achieve.

As emotional it is going to be leaving Goodison, we have a lot to look forward to moving to the Dock and helping the city rennervate a much-neglected area. I still worry about what will happen to all of those places we remember. I think there is a Beatles song about that.

In reality, it will depend on what the new ownership wants, so In my opinion, he’s with us until January at least. I have nothing against him other than the tactics at times. But we have the making of a decent team that can be built on if we use them right.

Another trip home this weekend. Everton and family. Both are the same.

Anthony A Hughes
28 Posted 27/09/2024 at 12:25:38
If he can get us to us to a top 10/12ish finish then maybe he could be considered for next season. Finishing one place above the relegation slots has got to stop being viewed that he's done "a tremendous job" and is some form of success.
We've been dining on shite for so long that people think it's tastes like caviar now.
Colin Malone
29 Posted 27/09/2024 at 12:39:35
Of course he does, but he won't, he might not be here on Sunday.
Dyche has got to own up, to his mistakes. Never once has he said, that was a bad decision by me. Only one word, I have got for Dyche, its Dinosaur.
Ed Fitzgerald
30 Posted 27/09/2024 at 12:53:12
I would be amazed if he is our manager when we move to BMD.
Pat Kelly
31 Posted 27/09/2024 at 12:55:54
Let's remember what Premier League managers are paid. Everything Dyche has done, he has been very handsomely paid for it. Including a reported £3M bonus.

If he earns his keep, he might get to stay on. But I doubt it'll be beyond this season.

Tony Abrahams
32 Posted 27/09/2024 at 13:12:38
That's why I shook my head at Allen's post, Pat.
Ian Bennett
33 Posted 27/09/2024 at 13:44:08
To quote a sporting great:

"Chances are slim to none, and slim just left town."

Christy Ring
34 Posted 27/09/2024 at 13:44:18
A stupid question, to be honest; what do you expect him to say? New owners, new stadium?

Dyche has his faults: substitutions, formation, which cost us this season, in my opinion, but you can't fault his record here. No money, a shocking owner, balance the books, points deductions – and he still kept us in the Premier League.

If we start picking up points, starting tomorrow, and work our way up the table, away from relegation trouble and not be in or around the relegation area come the end of the season, he will deserve, for the first time, to be able to spend money upfront, without one hand behind his back, and we'll see then if he's up to the task.

Andy Crooks
35 Posted 27/09/2024 at 14:09:17
I think that Dyche will get us safe. I think, in hindsight, that he has been brave in saving players until they are fit and ready. I believe that a good run of results are coming and that the new owners will be brave as well.

I hope and believe that they will stand by Sean Dyche and give him the chance to manage in a stable environment.

Dyche indicated yesterday that much has gone on behind the scenes. He will lead us into the new Everton Stadium in Bramley-Moore Dock and will earn that opportunity.

Colin Callaghan
36 Posted 27/09/2024 at 14:18:25
And he deserves to be, with a similar season to the last one.

Who cares how he addresses the media? It's your own fault for putting stock in something that someone doesn't even want to do. Talking to the media is a chore. Those nerds are trying to stitch him up in the first place for a clickbait headline.

David West
37 Posted 27/09/2024 at 14:32:48
He's had to fight and scrap for every point, he's had to cobble teams together over his couple of seasons from a rag-tag bunch bought over several years of players with little motivation on huge wages making little impact.

I believe a lot of managers wouldn't have been able to cope with all the negativity surrounding the club, the points deductions, takeover sagas, boardroom meltdowns, stay-away owner, financial mess and having to sell off most assets but still be calm and focused on the job.

Lampard looked 15 years older and nearly in tears after every bad result at the end of his time.

He's doing what I expect the owner has asked, keep us in the Premier Leauge while generating money from sales, lowering the wage bill until the stadium is built.

By them measures, he's doing a good job, which is what I believe he refers to as "the work".

Do I believe he can take us into the top half or regularly challenging for Europe? No… but the importance and difficulty of what he's had to do for the club shouldn't be underestimated or taken lightly.

John Raftery
38 Posted 27/09/2024 at 14:52:39
Andy (35) I agree.

In those early games when some were clamouring for new players to start, we needed a manager focused on the longer-term well--being of the individuals and the squad as a whole.

We are already seeing a more progressive style of football principally owing to the addition of a few players better suited to moving the ball forward in passing moves and Ndiaye in particular making things happen by running directly at opponents.

The notion that Dyche is a dinosaur who would not want quality ball players in his team is baloney.

Ed Prytherch
39 Posted 27/09/2024 at 15:19:00
If Friedkin is not sure then Dyche will have to go. The last thing that they want is to have to fire him soon after he has helped choose new signings.

Our team could look very different next season after expired player contracts and loans. The next manager should be involved in the rebuilding.

Stu Gre
40 Posted 27/09/2024 at 15:33:15
Regardless of whether you are a fan of Dyche or not, the primary question is whether TFG will look at him and go "you fit our profile"

Chances are, if we are safe, they will wait until the summer and his contract runs out. It's a sensible thing to do.

John #38 if not a dinosaur then out of his depth imo.

I would love to see him replaced with a progressive attack-minded manager – Goodison deserves that in the last season. BMD will definitely want it.

Dyche, I'm afraid, is not.

Barry Cowling
41 Posted 27/09/2024 at 15:37:09
I am still behind Dyche, I think he has done an excellent job in very trying circumstances.

I am confident we will finish at the very least mid table, we have a better team than we had last season, we are trying to play a more attacking style but we are still a team in transition, which is why I would like him to stay.

We have tried hiring and firing, we desperately needed stability but there is still much to do and as we have had no money it obviously takes so much longer. We can quite easily go on a run of 4 or 5 wins and then all this panic-mongering will go away.

Dale Self
42 Posted 27/09/2024 at 16:40:29
Funny how the supporters acknowledge faults and offer thoughtful reasons why he might be given the full chance with some financial backing. The critics, except a few, are sticking with their weak-ass jokes.

About what was expected actually, an honest man getting the character assassination routine from football nimrods.

Tony Hughes
43 Posted 27/09/2024 at 17:25:25
Barry, you're funny:

"We could quite easily go on a run of 4 or 5 wins."

We have 5 wins in 2024, quite easily winning games is something we don't do! :)

Colin Callaghan
44 Posted 27/09/2024 at 17:49:52
Yo Ed 39,

If Friedkin is coming in and making decisions when he's not sure, then we are in bigger trouble. He better get in here and take notes till at least January.

No way he knows all the details and should be listening to Big Sean and Thelwell about those details.

Raymond Fox
45 Posted 27/09/2024 at 18:11:32
Stu @ 40, we have scored as many goals as Man Utd and most of the bottom 10 in the League for that matter.

Our defence was our saviour last season but, up to now, probably because of injuries, it is our problem.

Tony Abrahams
46 Posted 27/09/2024 at 18:15:39
Out of his depth in what way, Stu?

Is it because of the style of football, or for persevering with Michael Keane? Is it for playing Ashley Young, or even James Garner, and leaving Dixon on the bench? Or is it because of the way that he has or hasn't used his subs?

If he was genuinely out of his depth, then I personally think it would have been impossible for him to keep Everton in the Premier League – twice, given the circumstances… twice.

Dyche has already proved that he's more than good enough for the Everton of recent seasons but it remains to be seen if he's good enough to actually take us forward, or if he will even be given the chance…

Mike Hayes
47 Posted 27/09/2024 at 18:18:54
When the manager turns on the fans and can't admit his mistakes, then it's time to move on.

He's proven he's tactically inept, his formations appear non-existent, continues to play his unfit aging favourites, can't see when they let him down, takes off the best players and loses games from a winning position. He continues to play one-dimensional hoofball, the only way we are going with him is down.

Do fans really want to endure the same old same old at a new state-of-the-art stadium?

Dale Self
48 Posted 27/09/2024 at 18:24:09
Mike, I don't think Dyche turned on a fair number of fans, including myself.

And let's not play on that phrase, thanks.

Danny O'Neill
49 Posted 27/09/2024 at 18:34:50
Tony 16, there will be thousands outside Goodison without a ticket tomorrow.

We have to give Dyche a chance.

Mike Hayes
50 Posted 27/09/2024 at 18:36:53
Dale true - quite a few left - there have been numerous reasons for Dyche's failures given on here and his only saving grace is keeping us up twice. Great achievement but you can't keep throwing that out every time we get beaten.

Move out, move on, clean sweep, top to bottom, get the old stench of failure out – it's been seeping through the club for years. Start afresh.

Fred Quick
51 Posted 27/09/2024 at 19:13:01
I don't need any Everton manager to be in love with the fans, nor do I need to love the manager, I'll leave all that to our friends over the park.

What I do need is for any Everton manager to understand what motivates the Goodison Park faithful, like Big Joe and Howard Kendall did. If any manager of Everton can replicate that understanding, they'll eventually be on to something.

Paul Ferry
52 Posted 27/09/2024 at 19:19:40
Two former players with long and cherished Evertonians, Fred, and I don't think that I would use that as the prime factor in making choices.

We might plausibly argue that Frank got the fans and probably still does but did not work out that well.

Jerome Shields
53 Posted 27/09/2024 at 19:50:03
Tony #46,

That is the situation. I expect the team to get a boost by the arrival of some certainty at last. The team has improved overall, going by the Leicester performance.

Dyche should survive to the end of his contract. The Friedkin Group will assess the current situation advised by their football advisers. I don't think they will want the uncertainty of another relegation dogfight or many obvious mistakes.

The crush will come on the arrival of the 2023-24 financial results and the Premier League's reaction to them. I expect them to be worse than last season's but The Friedkin Group will already have some idea of that. I expect The Friedkin Group to come clean on any irregularities and the Premier League to look favourably on that.

Another factor will be will The Friedkin Group want managerial contract speculation at the end of the season? Another factor is that so many player contracts end this season.

Daniel A Johnson
54 Posted 27/09/2024 at 20:18:09
For the first time in his tenure, Dyche has eyes and pressure from the board.

No more free passes.

Dale Self
55 Posted 27/09/2024 at 21:36:30
Mike 50,

"His only saving grace was keeping us up twice" is such an unfair position to take. It is a crass attempt to minimize his efforts.

Whatever he does in the positive, you will degrade it simply because you do not like him for personal reasons.

Think about it, if he keeps us up again, your position becomes nothing but histrionics.

Andy Meighan
56 Posted 27/09/2024 at 21:39:04
Tony A @16.

Imagine if he came out and said "I coach the players, I pick the team, and I choose what tactics we play." But he wouldn't, would he, because he's stubborn.

I could never forgive him for throwing the players under the bus after the Bournemouth debacle while not accepting any blame himself, and a lad I met today said more or less the same, it's never me it's them.

I'm sick of his shite. I'm sick of him playing Young, Keane, Mykolenko, Doucoure etc… in fact, I'm just sick of him and his mates Woan and Stone.

Hopefully like me and thousands of others, they'll see through this anti-football specialist and bomb him right out.

Oh, and by the way, we were only an injury-time Pickford save from going down on the last day of the season before last.

Disgraceful manager with an equally disgraceful record for us. I can't wait to see the back of him.

Billy Shears
57 Posted 28/09/2024 at 00:48:12
No chance, lad... unless you win us the FA Cup next May!

Your days are numbered, Sean!

Steve Brown
58 Posted 28/09/2024 at 03:04:20
This is a good and fair summary from the Guardian on Sean.

Good Football Man Sean Dyche deserves to be thought of fondly at Everton

Sean Dyche has not had a good start to the season. Although there are some reasons for that, his decision-making has been suspect.

But, he did a superb job last season navigating us through two points deductions, financial peril, absent board and player sales. We have made a £100 million profit on player sales while he has been in charge.

If he steers us to a respectable position this season, then he should be manager when we start next August in the new stadium.

Tony Abrahams
60 Posted 28/09/2024 at 07:45:38
I thought that was a very poor article, Steve, written by a man trying to add a bit of shite humour.

I agree that, whatever happens to Dyche, he should have our respect and be remembered as a part of the cure, to the curse.

Ernie Baywood
61 Posted 28/09/2024 at 08:04:34
Nothing wrong with the answer.

The question is ridiculous though. "Sean, would you like to continue to be one of the highest paid managers in world football without any chance of earning something similar elsewhere?"

"Yes. Yes, I think I would."

Rob Dolby
62 Posted 28/09/2024 at 08:12:06
Any excuse to put the knife in.

Without Dyche, we would be in the Championship or worse. Less than half-a-dozen games into the season and with the same restrictions in place, people now laying into him for being out of his depth, a dinosaur, not good enough. Some very short memories from people.

The new prospective owners don't have a magic wand. We still won't be able to spend stupid amounts of money due to PSR.

The new owners are in it for the money, they aren't Evertonians, they want to make money out of us. In fact, it would make sense to keep Dyche as he turned a profit under the most extreme position the club has ever been in.

Some want an attack-minded front-foot manager who is 'technical' over hard work, sweat and effort. That person does not exist; even the most technical teams run their bollocks off.

We have no money to spend and a limited group of players – what do people expect? Top 10. Have a look in the Premier League, we aren't anywhere near Top 10. Wake up.

Oh and yes, I would welcome Dyche as our manager in the new stadium.

John Pickles
63 Posted 28/09/2024 at 09:20:31
To save time lads, as you have to post it ad infinitum, here's a template for Dyche critics:

"< Insert name here> needs sacking, he's a football dinosaur, he'll definitely take us down. He's tactically inept, he only picks his favorites. He never picks < insert name here > from the Everton Under 5's who looks a great prospect. His substitutions are too few/late*. His players don't want to play for him, we need to get in < insert unobtainable Manager's name here >."

No doubt it would have still been useful if ToffeeWeb had been around in 1983, and you could have used it against Kendall, as some of you probably did at Goodison.

*Delete where applicable.

Steve Brown
64 Posted 28/09/2024 at 09:27:11
Tony, I didn’t read it as disrespectful at all.

He was trying to be humorous, but he is explicit in the value he places in Sean’s contribution. For example:

“Quite simply, he is just a Good Football Man. There is a habit among managers to see a season in the Premier League as a personal branding opportunity, a showpiece for a style, for your own fan appeal. Dyche will work himself into a hole trying to keep you there by any means, will do a job as opposed to a job interview. The attitude, the shapes, the energy will be right. Nothing will fall apart. This is what he brought to Everton in the crisis years, a place that really could have begun to drift into the realm of the unwell.”

Mike Allison
65 Posted 28/09/2024 at 09:38:34
I don’t really understand the anger against criticism of Sean Dyche.

I think most people understand that he’s done important work under very difficult circumstances, but surely you’re allowed to criticise him?

We’ve been hammered twice, thrown away two goal leads twice, knocked out of the cup at home to a team that hasn’t won a game, picked really poor players repeatedly, lost games because opposing managers made substitutions and we didn’t and played poorly for large spells and at crucial times. The players have looked mentally weak and physically tired, the manager has consistently tried to deflect blame rather than shoulder it and we’ve made new signings that he’s barely used.

We’re joint bottom of the league with 1 point out of 15 and a minus 9 goal difference and have already thrown away the only chance of glory that exists in the first half of the season.

If you’re not allowed to criticise a manager in those circumstances then when are you?

Mike Hayes
66 Posted 28/09/2024 at 09:46:14
Seems you are only allowed to blow smoke up Dyches arse who’s record is almost a repeat of Mike Walkers 30 years ago - wonder if there’s a Joe Royle out there who can get us the FA Cup 🤷💙
Mark Murphy
67 Posted 28/09/2024 at 09:50:42
Yes but apart from all that Mike what has he done wrong??
UTFT
Mike Hayes
68 Posted 28/09/2024 at 09:52:56
Apart from the roads and irrigation?
Steve Oshaugh
69 Posted 28/09/2024 at 09:58:48
There is an argument either way to be fair. I think it would be callous in the extreme to axe him now. I know people keep quoting 5 wins this calendar year but football is played in seasons not calendar years and last season was a pretty decent season if you ask me... a return of 48 points on the field given everything happening off the field is decent. I've said it elsewhere but I think he deserves until the November break at least. If we're still not getting results then fair enough. I doubt we will have any leeway under FFP to spend any new money in January so we are still very much in batten down the hatches territory. This squad will not be relegated and will end up lower mid table in my view playing some truly awful footy and some joined up stuff ocassionally - much like at least half the division
Tony Abrahams
70 Posted 28/09/2024 at 10:39:04
Fair enough Steve, I just didn’t like the style of the writing and wasn’t impressed by the humour but, it might just be me who has got out of the wrong side of the bed today
Ernie Baywood
71 Posted 28/09/2024 at 10:45:42
If we hadn't got rid of [Insert Name 1] and brought in [Insert Name 2] we would definitely be in the Championship now. [Insert Name 2] saved us.

There's your template. I don't think there's been a season yet where we would have definitely been in the Championship. Yet every incoming manager has been lauded and every outgoing manager ridiculed. This club has a habit of doing enough, spurred on by incredible support and a wage bill that would indicate that the players, while a bit of a mishmash, can't be that bad.

Personally, I'd give credit for any improvement to our fans and the presence of a striker.

Our football is going backwards though and it has been going backwards for a while.

Steve Brown
72 Posted 28/09/2024 at 10:55:40
If we hadn't got rid of Lampard and brought in Sean Dyche we would definitely be in the Championship now. Sean saved us.

There you go Ernie.

Although not completely correct - “If we hadn’t got rid of Lampard, we had been relegated to the Championship and gone into adminstration. Sean saved us”

Brian Harrison
73 Posted 28/09/2024 at 11:21:37
I think irrespective of various fans views on Sean Dyche, if Friedkin takes over he will make that decision. He has already sacked Fonseca and Mourhino, so the likelihood given his track record will be to bring in his own man.

My view is that Dyche has done a decent job in very trying circumstances, but do I think even with more funds do I think he is the right man to take us forward into BMD, sadly no. I thought the comments of Ashley Williams on MOTD last week summed up my criticsm of Dyche, he was talking about Ndaiye saying how good he was and he was a free spirit, then qualified that by saying that's something you don't normally see in a Sean Dyche side. I always feel that Dyche will always select a Harrison type of player over an Ndaiye or Lindstrom.

Robert Tressell
74 Posted 28/09/2024 at 11:23:00
Too right, Steve Brown.

Ernie, our highest earner is Doucoure - and our top 10 earners including Harrison, Gueye, Keane, Coleman and Beto. And whilst our wage bill is 11th in the Premier League it is closer to Leicester in 17th than West Ham in 9th.

So clinging to the idea that our wage bill is an indicator of quality is a bit far-fetched. Especially when our rivals today have invested more than £250m in their playing squad than us in just the past 3 summer windows.

Hopefully the years of extreme cost-cutting are now over so let's get behind the team and the manager today.

Robert Tressell
75 Posted 28/09/2024 at 11:30:12
Brian # 73,

I don't know why Fonseca and De Rossi were sacked by Roma – but Mourinho was sacked for massively underperfoming the level of investment. Europa League output for Champions League level spending.

Ernie Baywood
76 Posted 28/09/2024 at 11:46:43
But Steve, it's guesswork. It's not a fact. It's only as valid as when it was expressed when Lampard himself came in. Lampard may have kept us up... is there any indication of the likelihood of that? Well, he did it 12 months earlier.

Saviours seem to be ten a penny (or ten for 5 million quid) these days.

If you want something that is 'too right' then we have not been relegated in over 70 years.

Robert - we pay over the odds for Doucoure without a doubt. But we still have an experienced player who has been around this particular block a few times. With him, it's more a measure of experience rather than quality. That's why he was signed to a new contract. Everyone's got some overpaid players and underpaid players compared to their quality.

You seem to think it's far-fetched that a higher wage bill might be a lead indicator for league position, but happily accept that Sean Dyche is the one who keeps us in the league.

Which is more likely to be driving this outcome? The metric that is typically a key indicator across the league year on year on year, or that bloke who managed Burnley?

Derek Powell
77 Posted 28/09/2024 at 12:13:01
No fuckin chance, Dyche — get that idea right out your head.
Jimmy Hogan
78 Posted 28/09/2024 at 12:39:01
How long do we need to persevere with Dyche before we realise, whoops it might be too late?

I'm for acting now, unless we're waiting for a particular individual to become free.

Robert Tressell
79 Posted 28/09/2024 at 12:40:39
Ernie, come off it. Doucoure would struggle to get a start at the three promoted sides. The reason he re-signed it spared us a transfer fee for what would inevitably be another poor player.

Wages are definitely an indicator, too right. And with us they indicate we're in a pack of poor sides with very similar wage bills between 11th and 17th.

Everything else, squad values and expenditures, suggests we're anything between a top Championship side and about 15th in the Premier League.

And yes, in those circumstances it does make sense that Dyche, who overperformed with penniless Burnley, should also overperform during our period of extreme cost-cutting.

Dale Self
80 Posted 28/09/2024 at 12:50:31
I just hope Friedkin doesn't lose the fans by giving Dyche an honest chance with a competitive squad.
Dave Cashen
81 Posted 28/09/2024 at 12:53:06
Very amusing to see those who are ripping into Dyche complaining they are not allowed to do so. I wonder who it is they think is stopping them ?

I thought the deal with TFG was dead in the water, but in fairness the TW smart money was always on them coming back in and taking control. They don't come across as knee-jerk merchants and there is no way of knowing whether they will keep Dyche or not.

His interview will be a long one and it will start today. If he blows it, he will be out, but if he starts to win games and they like what they hear from him, he will be a shoo-in.

It's still his gig to lose.

Andy McGuffog
82 Posted 28/09/2024 at 13:24:13
Regarding The Guardian, it's interesting to note the number of times Everton crops up in the cryptic crossword - possibly 7 or 8 times in the last couple of years!

No other club appears more than once. Presumably they recognise us as a cerebral bunch.

Tony Abrahams
83 Posted 28/09/2024 at 13:35:16
Or the bloke who kept Burnley up for years even though he probably had the lowest budget and also the lowest wage bill in the Premier League, might be another way of looking at it when analyzing how this dinosaur got the job in the first place?
Dale Self
84 Posted 28/09/2024 at 13:56:56
The problem is now with Friedkin if he fossilitates this prehistoric style of football.
Mike Hayes
85 Posted 28/09/2024 at 14:02:21
Maybe he can have a double celebration at BMD — Everton's arrival and Youngs 40th 🎂🎁🎉🎊🥳🤷💙
Dean Williams
86 Posted 28/09/2024 at 19:32:23
No tar my dyche.
Peter Hodgson
87 Posted 29/09/2024 at 12:10:08
There is another way of looking at it that hasn't really been discussed, as far as I can see anyway, and that is we need to recognise the good work that Dyche has done in keeping us in the Premier League over the past couple of years with a threadbare squad and no money.

Does he deserve a shot at managing us at the start of what is a new era, both in terms of ownership and therefore direction and our spanking new stadium at BMD?

Yes, he has been paid handsomely for his work during those difficult times but the job he has done is what was needed, warts and all.

The question has to be something like, is he worth an extended contract, subject to a satisfactory season ending next June, to see how he and the team will shape up in the new era. In that respect, not trying to pre-judge how things will go between now and then, the decisions can only be made at the end of the season.

That is my opinion and, to my mind, is the only fair and equitable way of looking at it based on what he has done to date.

Peter Hodgson
88 Posted 29/09/2024 at 12:32:38
By the way, my post @87 wasn't written as a Dyche lover but I think it is the only fair way of approaching the question.
Dale Self
89 Posted 29/09/2024 at 12:50:35
Peter, I think we should pronounce that, 'Dyche luvvah!
Like Will Ferell in the hot tub, say it with me, Dyche Luvvah!!!
Keith Harrison
90 Posted 29/09/2024 at 19:08:07
Sean Dyche was the perfect (possibly only) choice for us once Frank Lampard left the building.

A skin-of-the-teeth relegation avoidance was followed by a relatively more comfortable season utilising a siege mentality after the points deductions, appeals etc.

He is, however, a Stone Age manager, as I have mentioned in an article before via the club, and giving him money will not necessarily alter his outlook or style of football. Low-possession anti-football would still proliferate. We could have got at least one if not two decent full-backs for the Beto expenditure, and if Thelwell is totally in charge of transfers, it doesn't matter who the manager is.

I do not believe that he is the man to take the club forwards if we get new owners with reasonable spending power. Thanks for the great job, Sean, but we're moving on.

If we insist on him leading the team into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, it should be driving the team bus with a new owner and manager on board.

Bobby Mallon
92 Posted 30/09/2024 at 2024/09/30 : 22:06:19

2025 is the opening of our superb new stadium built on the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey. Now I was expecting the Everton hierarchy to have had bands and sporting events in the bag for the opening event and through to the season kick-off when we move in. 

I have just read those sneaky bastards across the park have booked Billy Joel and Dua Lipa for 2025 concerts. This has been done to steal our thunder! What do we need to do to wrestle it back besides burn the shithole down? 


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