Dyche wants to be in charge at Bramley-Moore Dock

Change for change's sake might give a short lift but we need stability.

Medium-term I expect Howe will get the shaft from Newcastle and he would be my preferred option if things haven't improved. I think he's a better fit than Potter.

Here's hoping.

Like other comments here and elsewhere, he has to turn this around to secure his hope.

Perfect fit for us as a dysfunctional club as it stands, but hopefully with the new owners the standard will be higher and more professional..

I suspect the new owners would want someone of a higher standard than Howe

I echo Bob Parrington at post #5. We have had glimpses of the football that Dyche can provide and if he could just at least listen to, and act, on some of the justified criticism he receives, he can improve his own performance along with the squad results.

Get us somehow into the top half this season, starting tomorrow, and there is a chance he just might be taking us to BMD.

59 games prior to Dyche (Benitez and Lampard): 54 points
59 games following his appointment: 69 points. That’s an upturn of 25%.

And that’s despite having a negative net spend over his tenure. Of course if the results continue as they have this season then that ‘improvement’ will be eradicated.

I don’t think Dyche will be in charge next season but if he turns this season around and continues to improve us then he’ll certainly deserve consideration.

Neville Southall, gave Dyche some very good advice the other day, so hopefully he takes it on board, but if he doesn’t get that new manager bounce that Kim mentions, then he must be perilously close to the sack.

Imagine he came out and said listen, there is no way on this earth that Everton would still be a premier league club if it wasn’t for me, Kevin Thelwell, or the amazing Evertonians, even though a lot of them fucking hate me!

Today's game has become very technical and a high level of technical ability is needed to challenge for honours. We need a manager who can improve the players' technical ability, and be on the front foot instead of chasing shadows.

There seem to be a lot of young managers in the German league lately improving teams over there.

In any case, I can see a scenario where if Dyche were to get us to play good football and keep us comfortably out of the relegation zone over the latter part of the season, Friedkin may just give him an extension to lead the team out to BMD. And I wouldn't begrudge him the opportunity.

If he is to retain his job beyond the end of the season a prompt turn around, which is sustained, in results is needed to show that his players are not the rag bag bunch they often seem to be now we have a more stable Club.

He will then need to set out to the new owners what his vision is and explain how he intends to achieve it and what is needed to make it possible. A tall order but it very much depends on the Manager and the Players as to what happens.

New owners will want to appear to be doing something pronto and nothing pacifies the loud minority like the head of a manager.The ensuing 6 to 8 game honeymoon period with the new guy in charge when all appears possible is cat nip to them.

Then it's back to business and more knife sharpening.

As emotional it is going to be leaving Goodison, we have a lot to look forward to moving to the Dock and helping the city rennervate a much-neglected area. I still worry about what will happen to all of those places we remember. I think there is a Beatles song about that.

In reality, it will depend on what the new ownership wants, so In my opinion, he’s with us until January at least. I have nothing against him other than the tactics at times. But we have the making of a decent team that can be built on if we use them right.

Another trip home this weekend. Everton and family. Both are the same.

If he earns his keep, he might get to stay on. But I doubt it'll be beyond this season.

"Chances are slim to none, and slim just left town."

Dyche has his faults: substitutions, formation, which cost us this season, in my opinion, but you can't fault his record here. No money, a shocking owner, balance the books, points deductions – and he still kept us in the Premier League.

If we start picking up points, starting tomorrow, and work our way up the table, away from relegation trouble and not be in or around the relegation area come the end of the season, he will deserve, for the first time, to be able to spend money upfront, without one hand behind his back, and we'll see then if he's up to the task.

I hope and believe that they will stand by Sean Dyche and give him the chance to manage in a stable environment.

Dyche indicated yesterday that much has gone on behind the scenes. He will lead us into the new Everton Stadium in Bramley-Moore Dock and will earn that opportunity.

Who cares how he addresses the media? It's your own fault for putting stock in something that someone doesn't even want to do. Talking to the media is a chore. Those nerds are trying to stitch him up in the first place for a clickbait headline.

I believe a lot of managers wouldn't have been able to cope with all the negativity surrounding the club, the points deductions, takeover sagas, boardroom meltdowns, stay-away owner, financial mess and having to sell off most assets but still be calm and focused on the job.

Lampard looked 15 years older and nearly in tears after every bad result at the end of his time.

He's doing what I expect the owner has asked, keep us in the Premier Leauge while generating money from sales, lowering the wage bill until the stadium is built.

By them measures, he's doing a good job, which is what I believe he refers to as "the work".

Do I believe he can take us into the top half or regularly challenging for Europe? No… but the importance and difficulty of what he's had to do for the club shouldn't be underestimated or taken lightly.

In those early games when some were clamouring for new players to start, we needed a manager focused on the longer-term well--being of the individuals and the squad as a whole.

We are already seeing a more progressive style of football principally owing to the addition of a few players better suited to moving the ball forward in passing moves and Ndiaye in particular making things happen by running directly at opponents.

The notion that Dyche is a dinosaur who would not want quality ball players in his team is baloney.

Our team could look very different next season after expired player contracts and loans. The next manager should be involved in the rebuilding.

Chances are, if we are safe, they will wait until the summer and his contract runs out. It's a sensible thing to do.

John #38 if not a dinosaur then out of his depth imo.

I would love to see him replaced with a progressive attack-minded manager – Goodison deserves that in the last season. BMD will definitely want it.

Dyche, I'm afraid, is not.

I am confident we will finish at the very least mid table, we have a better team than we had last season, we are trying to play a more attacking style but we are still a team in transition, which is why I would like him to stay.

We have tried hiring and firing, we desperately needed stability but there is still much to do and as we have had no money it obviously takes so much longer. We can quite easily go on a run of 4 or 5 wins and then all this panic-mongering will go away.

About what was expected actually, an honest man getting the character assassination routine from football nimrods.

"We could quite easily go on a run of 4 or 5 wins."

We have 5 wins in 2024, quite easily winning games is something we don't do! :)

If Friedkin is coming in and making decisions when he's not sure, then we are in bigger trouble. He better get in here and take notes till at least January.

No way he knows all the details and should be listening to Big Sean and Thelwell about those details.

Our defence was our saviour last season but, up to now, probably because of injuries, it is our problem.

Is it because of the style of football, or for persevering with Michael Keane? Is it for playing Ashley Young, or even James Garner, and leaving Dixon on the bench? Or is it because of the way that he has or hasn't used his subs?

If he was genuinely out of his depth, then I personally think it would have been impossible for him to keep Everton in the Premier League – twice, given the circumstances… twice.

Dyche has already proved that he's more than good enough for the Everton of recent seasons but it remains to be seen if he's good enough to actually take us forward, or if he will even be given the chance…

He's proven he's tactically inept, his formations appear non-existent, continues to play his unfit aging favourites, can't see when they let him down, takes off the best players and loses games from a winning position. He continues to play one-dimensional hoofball, the only way we are going with him is down.

Do fans really want to endure the same old same old at a new state-of-the-art stadium?

And let's not play on that phrase, thanks.

We have to give Dyche a chance.

Move out, move on, clean sweep, top to bottom, get the old stench of failure out – it's been seeping through the club for years. Start afresh.

What I do need is for any Everton manager to understand what motivates the Goodison Park faithful, like Big Joe and Howard Kendall did. If any manager of Everton can replicate that understanding, they'll eventually be on to something.

We might plausibly argue that Frank got the fans and probably still does but did not work out that well.

That is the situation. I expect the team to get a boost by the arrival of some certainty at last. The team has improved overall, going by the Leicester performance.

Dyche should survive to the end of his contract. The Friedkin Group will assess the current situation advised by their football advisers. I don't think they will want the uncertainty of another relegation dogfight or many obvious mistakes.

The crush will come on the arrival of the 2023-24 financial results and the Premier League's reaction to them. I expect them to be worse than last season's but The Friedkin Group will already have some idea of that. I expect The Friedkin Group to come clean on any irregularities and the Premier League to look favourably on that.

Another factor will be will The Friedkin Group want managerial contract speculation at the end of the season? Another factor is that so many player contracts end this season.

No more free passes.

"His only saving grace was keeping us up twice" is such an unfair position to take. It is a crass attempt to minimize his efforts.

Whatever he does in the positive, you will degrade it simply because you do not like him for personal reasons.

Think about it, if he keeps us up again, your position becomes nothing but histrionics.

Imagine if he came out and said "I coach the players, I pick the team, and I choose what tactics we play." But he wouldn't, would he, because he's stubborn.

I could never forgive him for throwing the players under the bus after the Bournemouth debacle while not accepting any blame himself, and a lad I met today said more or less the same, it's never me it's them.

I'm sick of his shite. I'm sick of him playing Young, Keane, Mykolenko, Doucoure etc… in fact, I'm just sick of him and his mates Woan and Stone.

Hopefully like me and thousands of others, they'll see through this anti-football specialist and bomb him right out.

Oh, and by the way, we were only an injury-time Pickford save from going down on the last day of the season before last.

Disgraceful manager with an equally disgraceful record for us. I can't wait to see the back of him.

Your days are numbered, Sean!

Good Football Man Sean Dyche deserves to be thought of fondly at Everton

Sean Dyche has not had a good start to the season. Although there are some reasons for that, his decision-making has been suspect.

But, he did a superb job last season navigating us through two points deductions, financial peril, absent board and player sales. We have made a £100 million profit on player sales while he has been in charge.

If he steers us to a respectable position this season, then he should be manager when we start next August in the new stadium.

I agree that, whatever happens to Dyche, he should have our respect and be remembered as a part of the cure, to the curse.

The question is ridiculous though. "Sean, would you like to continue to be one of the highest paid managers in world football without any chance of earning something similar elsewhere?"

"Yes. Yes, I think I would."

Without Dyche, we would be in the Championship or worse. Less than half-a-dozen games into the season and with the same restrictions in place, people now laying into him for being out of his depth, a dinosaur, not good enough. Some very short memories from people.

The new prospective owners don't have a magic wand. We still won't be able to spend stupid amounts of money due to PSR.

The new owners are in it for the money, they aren't Evertonians, they want to make money out of us. In fact, it would make sense to keep Dyche as he turned a profit under the most extreme position the club has ever been in.

Some want an attack-minded front-foot manager who is 'technical' over hard work, sweat and effort. That person does not exist; even the most technical teams run their bollocks off.

We have no money to spend and a limited group of players – what do people expect? Top 10. Have a look in the Premier League, we aren't anywhere near Top 10. Wake up.

Oh and yes, I would welcome Dyche as our manager in the new stadium.

"< Insert name here> needs sacking, he's a football dinosaur, he'll definitely take us down. He's tactically inept, he only picks his favorites. He never picks < insert name here > from the Everton Under 5's who looks a great prospect. His substitutions are too few/late*. His players don't want to play for him, we need to get in < insert unobtainable Manager's name here >."

No doubt it would have still been useful if ToffeeWeb had been around in 1983, and you could have used it against Kendall, as some of you probably did at Goodison.

*Delete where applicable.

He was trying to be humorous, but he is explicit in the value he places in Sean’s contribution. For example:

“Quite simply, he is just a Good Football Man. There is a habit among managers to see a season in the Premier League as a personal branding opportunity, a showpiece for a style, for your own fan appeal. Dyche will work himself into a hole trying to keep you there by any means, will do a job as opposed to a job interview. The attitude, the shapes, the energy will be right. Nothing will fall apart. This is what he brought to Everton in the crisis years, a place that really could have begun to drift into the realm of the unwell.”

I think most people understand that he’s done important work under very difficult circumstances, but surely you’re allowed to criticise him?

We’ve been hammered twice, thrown away two goal leads twice, knocked out of the cup at home to a team that hasn’t won a game, picked really poor players repeatedly, lost games because opposing managers made substitutions and we didn’t and played poorly for large spells and at crucial times. The players have looked mentally weak and physically tired, the manager has consistently tried to deflect blame rather than shoulder it and we’ve made new signings that he’s barely used.

We’re joint bottom of the league with 1 point out of 15 and a minus 9 goal difference and have already thrown away the only chance of glory that exists in the first half of the season.

If you’re not allowed to criticise a manager in those circumstances then when are you?

There's your template. I don't think there's been a season yet where we would have definitely been in the Championship. Yet every incoming manager has been lauded and every outgoing manager ridiculed. This club has a habit of doing enough, spurred on by incredible support and a wage bill that would indicate that the players, while a bit of a mishmash, can't be that bad.

Personally, I'd give credit for any improvement to our fans and the presence of a striker.

Our football is going backwards though and it has been going backwards for a while.

There you go Ernie.

Although not completely correct - “If we hadn’t got rid of Lampard, we had been relegated to the Championship and gone into adminstration. Sean saved us”

My view is that Dyche has done a decent job in very trying circumstances, but do I think even with more funds do I think he is the right man to take us forward into BMD, sadly no. I thought the comments of Ashley Williams on MOTD last week summed up my criticsm of Dyche, he was talking about Ndaiye saying how good he was and he was a free spirit, then qualified that by saying that's something you don't normally see in a Sean Dyche side. I always feel that Dyche will always select a Harrison type of player over an Ndaiye or Lindstrom.

Ernie, our highest earner is Doucoure - and our top 10 earners including Harrison, Gueye, Keane, Coleman and Beto. And whilst our wage bill is 11th in the Premier League it is closer to Leicester in 17th than West Ham in 9th.

So clinging to the idea that our wage bill is an indicator of quality is a bit far-fetched. Especially when our rivals today have invested more than £250m in their playing squad than us in just the past 3 summer windows.

Hopefully the years of extreme cost-cutting are now over so let's get behind the team and the manager today.

I don't know why Fonseca and De Rossi were sacked by Roma – but Mourinho was sacked for massively underperfoming the level of investment. Europa League output for Champions League level spending.

Saviours seem to be ten a penny (or ten for 5 million quid) these days.

If you want something that is 'too right' then we have not been relegated in over 70 years.

Robert - we pay over the odds for Doucoure without a doubt. But we still have an experienced player who has been around this particular block a few times. With him, it's more a measure of experience rather than quality. That's why he was signed to a new contract. Everyone's got some overpaid players and underpaid players compared to their quality.

You seem to think it's far-fetched that a higher wage bill might be a lead indicator for league position, but happily accept that Sean Dyche is the one who keeps us in the league.

Which is more likely to be driving this outcome? The metric that is typically a key indicator across the league year on year on year, or that bloke who managed Burnley?

I'm for acting now, unless we're waiting for a particular individual to become free.

Wages are definitely an indicator, too right. And with us they indicate we're in a pack of poor sides with very similar wage bills between 11th and 17th.

Everything else, squad values and expenditures, suggests we're anything between a top Championship side and about 15th in the Premier League.

And yes, in those circumstances it does make sense that Dyche, who overperformed with penniless Burnley, should also overperform during our period of extreme cost-cutting.

I thought the deal with TFG was dead in the water, but in fairness the TW smart money was always on them coming back in and taking control. They don't come across as knee-jerk merchants and there is no way of knowing whether they will keep Dyche or not.

His interview will be a long one and it will start today. If he blows it, he will be out, but if he starts to win games and they like what they hear from him, he will be a shoo-in.

It's still his gig to lose.

No other club appears more than once. Presumably they recognise us as a cerebral bunch.

Does he deserve a shot at managing us at the start of what is a new era, both in terms of ownership and therefore direction and our spanking new stadium at BMD?

Yes, he has been paid handsomely for his work during those difficult times but the job he has done is what was needed, warts and all.

The question has to be something like, is he worth an extended contract, subject to a satisfactory season ending next June, to see how he and the team will shape up in the new era. In that respect, not trying to pre-judge how things will go between now and then, the decisions can only be made at the end of the season.

That is my opinion and, to my mind, is the only fair and equitable way of looking at it based on what he has done to date.

A skin-of-the-teeth relegation avoidance was followed by a relatively more comfortable season utilising a siege mentality after the points deductions, appeals etc.

He is, however, a Stone Age manager, as I have mentioned in an article before via the club, and giving him money will not necessarily alter his outlook or style of football. Low-possession anti-football would still proliferate. We could have got at least one if not two decent full-backs for the Beto expenditure, and if Thelwell is totally in charge of transfers, it doesn't matter who the manager is.

I do not believe that he is the man to take the club forwards if we get new owners with reasonable spending power. Thanks for the great job, Sean, but we're moving on.

If we insist on him leading the team into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, it should be driving the team bus with a new owner and manager on board.

2025 is the opening of our superb new stadium built on the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey. Now I was expecting the Everton hierarchy to have had bands and sporting events in the bag for the opening event and through to the season kick-off when we move in. 

I have just read those sneaky bastards across the park have booked Billy Joel and Dua Lipa for 2025 concerts. This has been done to steal our thunder! What do we need to do to wrestle it back besides burn the shithole down?