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It has been “three very, very difficult years” at Everton, as director of football Kevin Thelwell candidly admits. But quietly, a new vision for the academy has been forged amid the off-the-field uncertainty and it is beginning to have a real impact.

“It’s been hard for everyone because it’s been a tough three years hasn’t it, let’s be honest. It’s been very, very difficult for everybody,” Thelwell tells i in an in-depth interview.

“There’s a lot of noise out there and that’s probably where having a very clear vision and creating opportunities where everyone is collaborating on something better has been important. It’s been about keeping us on this track.

“I’m not saying we don’t come off it or divert sometimes, because everyone does, but us selling this message of ‘Come on, we’re going to need to be ready to be able to achieve our vision’ and focusing on a plan that keeps us aligned has been the right thing to do.

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“We also have to create some hope that things will be better, making sure we do get people out of bed in the morning. In due course if you keep selling that message long enough – and you can see that thing coming – then hopefully people start to believe we are going to have a better day and all this noise won’t necessarily disappear but it won’t be as loud as it was.

“The future looks bright,” Thelwell says. “We think we are in the process of building something very, very special here.”

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Michael Kenrick
1 Posted 21/11/2024 at 09:20:12
A few key quotes that caught my eye:

Everton on Thelwell's watch – with buy-in from the first-team coaching staff – are committed to providing first-team chances for academy prospects.

Recruitment for the senior team over the last four transfer windows has also been heavily influenced by what is coming through the ranks. The club do not want to “block the pipeline” by spending money in areas where outstanding prospects like Harrison Armstrong or Roman Dixon could provide a long-term solution.

“I'd be daft to spend millions on a player when we've got one who might come through. I'd much rather give him the opportunity than spend that money and luckily we've got first-team coaches who feel the same.”

Be great if it was true — I really like Roman Dixon… but then I liked Niels Nkounkou and he was given short shrift. But clearly a few on here may have to abandon their almost daily request that we sign a hiqh quality (ie, expensive) new right-back!

Colin Glassar
2 Posted 21/11/2024 at 09:27:49
I couldn’t read the article as it’s behind a paywall. My question is, will Friedkin even keep Thelwell on after the takeover is complete?

I would imagine they would want to completely redo Everton from top-to-bottom ie board, manager, DoF, back room staff etc…

If it’s broke, fix it.

Michael Kenrick
3 Posted 21/11/2024 at 09:36:35
Sorry about that, Colin. I pulled it up from NewsNow and was able to read it in full. But copying the link does not seem to get past the paywall.
Colin Glassar
4 Posted 21/11/2024 at 09:44:42
I got the gist of it anyway, Michael. Thanks
Danny O'Neill
5 Posted 21/11/2024 at 10:02:29
I'd love to see Roman Dixon play more of a part, starting Saturday.

Hopefully Thelwell is restructuring the development aspect of the club, although this may take years.

As Michael highlights from Thelwell's comments, why spend millions when you might have something coming through or can pick up a bargain like Branthwaite?

We've tried splashing the cash. Now is not the time. Steady and sensible building. It won't happen overnight, but we've played the Las Vegas card and it didn't work, let alone nearly ruin us.

John Pickles
6 Posted 21/11/2024 at 10:07:14
It's a lovely idea, but unless you are going to produce 3 or 4 players good enough for the Premier League each season, it isn't worth it.

We produce about 1 player every few seasons, we lose points while they learn their craft, then, when they start to excel, watch as they get their head turned by the Sky 6 and see them disappear into the sunset.

The others are kept on, until near pensionable age, out on loan, until they are either released or given a free transfer to a lower-league team.

Michael Kenrick
7 Posted 21/11/2024 at 10:09:19
The section on Gareth Prosser – who I shamefully know nothing about – is quite impressive.

This guy is the Academy Director since his appointment 2½ years ago.

His previous post was General Manager of Professional Game Academy Audit Company – the firm that oversees the auditing process of academies in the Premier League and EFL – so he might just know a thing or two about running a good academy.

One of the things he wants to do is return to the full-time training model that the club moved away from a couple of years ago. Their current hybrid model means less training time and, as a result, they are not permitted to recruit nationally from the age of 14 like Premier League rivals who run full-time programmes.

Read that a couple of times and try to understand the implications... which seem astounding to me. Perhaps Tony can explain but why would anyone with half a brain want them to spend less time training!!! — Especially when it seems the consequence is that you cannot recruit nationally players over 14, like other full-time Premier League academies can!!!

WHAT?!?! That sounds like utter madness to me. Talk about tying your own arms behind your back!

Raymond Fox
8 Posted 21/11/2024 at 11:34:54
I'm all for a better organised and run acadamy aligned with the best coaches for the young players.

You still have to find youngsters that have that rare natural ability to become a regular Premier League player.

Having those youngsters is partly down to the luck of a local kid having that ability such as Rooney and importantly somebody to scout kids from further afield.

You can coach till the cows come home but, if that physical talent is missing, you are going to fail to produce special players.

Graham Fylde
9 Posted 21/11/2024 at 11:49:19
That is interesting, Michael. Looking at the Premier League website, it seems the emphasis in the different models is based on how education is delivered alongside football development:

Part-time Training Model

On the PTTM your child attends the Academy in the evenings, at weekends and during holidays. The Academy will keep in regular contact with the school and provide reports to them about their progress. The Club will monitor your child's progress to ensure the football programme is not having a negative effect on their progress at school.

Hybrid Training Model

On the HTM your child is released from school to attend the Academy for part of their weekly timetable. This model can be used in the Youth Development Phase and it will depend on your child's age and your child's Club programme if it is available to them.

Full Time Training Model

This model can only be used in the Youth Development Phase Category One Academies that operates a FTTM. To attend the FTTM your child will need to reside within the one and a half hour travel restrictions as outlined in the Youth Development Rules. Under 14 players can be recruited onto the programme from around the country.

Peter Hodgson
10 Posted 21/11/2024 at 15:24:08
Michael @7

Just a shot in the dark here but has the dreaded money got anything to do with it? I must be honest and say that I haven't got a clue about these Academy structures, and I suspect that most fans are in the same boat, but most things these days revolve around money which we have been short of for some considerable time now.

So far, the costs of the various Academy models hasn't been spoken about but I bet that the Full Time model costs considerably more than the other two. Is this a reasonable conclusion and, if so, is that the reason why we went the way we did?

Have the costs of the models been costed and if so, a cost/benefit analysis concluded that it was so and decided that to go Full Time couldn't be justified at that time?

Michael Kenrick
11 Posted 21/11/2024 at 20:31:52
Yes, Peter @10, you're probably right.

Even though, as I mentioned before, Academy expenditure is excluded from the PSR calculation of losses, if the money simply isn't there…

And just count the references to limited resources and lack of finances cited in this article. I think you can conclude it's been a major factor holding back the development and performance of the Academy.

Ivan Meer
12 Posted 22/11/2024 at 11:59:22
The question is whether, given such constraints, it is possible to find creative solutions to improve productivity without significant financial investment.
Peter Hodgson
13 Posted 22/11/2024 at 16:54:44
Michael @11,

Bit of a naughty question but do you think that TFG might take a different view based on their calculations of expected income and expenditure for the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock?

Michael Kenrick
14 Posted 22/11/2024 at 20:29:19
Peter,

If you mean use some of the increased stadium revenue to provide better funding for the academy? That has to be the way forward, yes.

Alan J Thompson
15 Posted 24/11/2024 at 16:49:23
If memory serves, in the last few years, we've given Dixon a full game, Harrison about 20 minutes as a sub and something similar to Dobbin, now a Villa player.

I won't include Virginia as didn't we get him from Arsenal and we regularly have two keepers on the bench. They may not be ready for the 1st team but it hardly seems very encouraging or likely to see us not spending millions in transfer fees.

I'm not saying we should be playing youngsters regardless, I just doubt that there is any savings being realized recently unless you include fees picked up for Simms, Cannon and Robinson.

Mike Gaynes
16 Posted 24/11/2024 at 17:29:13
Michael #1,

I really like Thelwell. I think he has made excellent sales and some very sensible buys with virtually no resources. And I do believe youngsters like Dixon and Armstrong who are considered good enough for the bench will get their chances on the pitch, although they may have to wait until every point isn't precious.

Colin #2, I would be astonished if the new owners completely clean out the organization top to bottom. That almost never happens in a corporate takeover, be it footy or more conventional business. The acquirer will always look through the structure for high performers and try to keep them on. And a total makeover in the midst of a possible relegation fight seems suicidal to me.

Besides, somebody has to know where the keys are kept!

Mike Allison
17 Posted 24/11/2024 at 18:14:29
Alan, are you including Anthony Gordon in your thinking?!
Alan J Thompson
18 Posted 25/11/2024 at 06:01:22
Mike (#17);

Yes he had slipped by me so I'll call him the exception that proves the rule.

Or that, while all departments need looking at, all are part of the whole.

Tony Abrahams
19 Posted 25/11/2024 at 14:21:04
Sometimes things get lost in print, which is what I'm envisaging happened when I started reading what Thelwell had to say.

Pure lip service imo, but hopefully I'm wrong and a lot of good things are being put in place behind the scenes.


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