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A video has been released on Twitter showing rainwater leaking through the roof of the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock and cascading down the steps of the main aisle in one corner, causing some floor damage. 

The Mirror reports that the siphonic drainage system for roof drainage of the new stadium has not yet been completed, limiting its capacity.  

Everton new stadium 'flood' explained after concerning viral video footage emerges

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Bobby Mallon
1 Posted 05/12/2024 at 18:51:22
Has the new stadium flooded?

I have seen videos of it, not good at all.

Ray Roche
2 Posted 05/12/2024 at 19:13:39
Dennis, there are a couple of videos on TikTok (I just checked after reading this) which shows rain pouring in to a corner of a stand and a couple of oafs, probably RS, laughing at it.
Joe McMahon
3 Posted 05/12/2024 at 19:23:39
New stadium is a bit wet:

https://x.com/FootbalIhub/status/1864731857377509817

Rob Halligan
4 Posted 05/12/2024 at 19:27:09
Ray, when were these videos done, because there has been a restriction on all drones since Monday due to the Naval ship Prince of Wales being in Liverpool.

So basically nobody is allowed to fly a drone within a certain radius, probably about five miles from where the ship is berthed, until it leaves.

Billy Bradshaw
5 Posted 05/12/2024 at 19:32:21
Rob it's not a drone video, worker with his phone.
Brent Stephens
6 Posted 05/12/2024 at 19:37:56
It's the away fans corner, Rob.

Testing it for when the Red Shite visit.

Dennis Stevens
7 Posted 05/12/2024 at 19:38:48
There was a little media storm about this in early October & the response then was that the internal drainage system hadn't yet been installed. Obviously, it should be now as the handover is quite imminent. So the date of the flooding occurring would be rather significant.

Good job the club isn't planning to have the first official match until next summer, though!

Rob Halligan
8 Posted 05/12/2024 at 19:38:58
Yep, just seen it on a WhatsApp message.
Paul Hewitt
9 Posted 05/12/2024 at 19:51:10
Absolutely ridiculous. A £700 million stadium and the roof bloody floods!

Brian Williams
10 Posted 05/12/2024 at 19:56:18
Paul. Do you know the circumstances behind this?

Brent Stephens
11 Posted 05/12/2024 at 19:58:06
Brian, you might have known who'd be on first to get the boot in.
Paul Hewitt
12 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:05:56
So a roof that floods is okay. I'd say the same for any club.

People on here take the piss out of Old Trafford when it floods. What's the difference?

Ray Roche
13 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:07:03
It says five days ago.

What was the weather like here? I was abroad.

Rob Halligan
14 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:26:44
Ray, I can't remember five hours ago, never mind five days!!

Seriously though, last Sunday I don't recall it raining that heavy to cause a flood like that. Mind, I was at Man Utd so maybe it was during the time we were in Manchester. I do remember it raining upon our return, but not all that heavy.

Michael Kenrick
15 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:34:27
The floor damage at the top of the gangway / bottom of the upper stairs looks a little odd to me.

It would seem to be difficult to create the cascading water but could this be a deep fake video?

Brent Stephens
16 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:42:30
What's the red on the pitch in that video?
Rob Halligan
17 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:47:20
Michael, I remember seeing a video from one of the regular drone users a couple of weeks ago, and it showed what appeared to be water pumps being set up in the north east corner, very close to where the underground water tanks are (can’t remember the correct of them). I wonder if it has anything to do with that?

I’ve also just received another WhatsApp message. The Everton fans forum have stated that the siphonic drainage system is still not complete.

Bill Gall
18 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:55:03
So there is a small problem in an area of a 750 million new building that's taken a couple of years to build.
That will be fixed and there may be more problems that may have to be addressed before an official opening.
All new buildings this size have to be inspected before takeover of ownership, and it may be beneficial that the River Mersey at the moment is getting severe weather conditions that should show up any deficiencies before the official handover.
Better now than when it is full of spectators.
Billy Bradshaw
19 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:57:21
Brent @ 16, red on pitch comes from the mobile lighting they use to help with growth of the grass.
Brendan McLaughlin
20 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:00:32
Billy #19

Why red?

Brian Williams
21 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:09:41
Not even sure that video is legit tbh.
Rob Halligan
22 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:17:44
I’m thinking the same, Brian. No way could there be a flood of biblical proportions like that.
Brent Stephens
23 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:22:47
Thanks, Billy #19.

Rob #17 Yes that syphonic draining system looks to be vital. If it's not yet fully installed / working, then it would be no surprise if there were a cascade of water in a period of heavy rain.

Link

Fred Quick
24 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:29:25
If the video wasn't shot today, following some really heavy downpours, then it's possibly a fake. However, if the flooding has occurred to that extent, then it's the contractors who should be embarrassed, not Everton.

Anyway, it seems we're going from 'Woodison' to 'Floodison' as somebody wrote elsewhere.

Billy Bradshaw
25 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:31:00
Brendan @ 20, I'm not 100% sure how the different light settings are achieved for different stages of growth, got the information from the different drone flyer videos that are sent out on a weekly basis on YouTube, just hope they are correct with their information and I'm not misleading anyone.
Michael Kenrick
27 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:38:03
Thanks for the link, Brent, that system is brilliant!

I was only involved in subsurface / groundwater drainage problems but never came across that system while in the USA.

They make it sound like a UK invention…It's a very clever rework of a very simple system for roof drainage that's worked the same way for hundreds of years!

Fred Quick
28 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:41:19
I wonder how the Daily Mail would have reported Noah's Ark and the great flood? The article may as well been wrote on the Kop by a Kopite, even the footage supplied for the article was from a RS.

Their new Bramley Moore Dock Stadium has been plagued by flooding issues

Shocking footage has emerged of water gushing into the stands of the new Everton stadium just months before the club are due to move there.

Torrents of water seen leaking into the stands at new Everton stadium AGAIN just months before Toffees are due to move in

Brent Stephens
29 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:44:41
Michael, I don't know much about these drainage systems. I assume that the drain is fitted with the central section at the top already installed?

If not, then that might explain the system being inundated? Or a malfunction in just one drain could have the same effect?

Brendan McLaughlin
30 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:53:46
Billy #25

No...I don't think you are trying to mislead anyone.

Unlike a lot of the regulars on here.

I'm going to google that light settings thing...may come back on your claim.

Fred Quick
31 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:55:02
The club stress that the stadium is still under construction and has not yet been fitted with all of the Siphonic drainage required of a top-level football stadium. Siphonic drainage operates at full capacity and sucks water from the roof down the drain at a high velocity. Furthermore, the stadium had actually experienced a similar issue earlier this year after heavy rainfall and there was no lasting damage caused. The club expect to finish all drainage works in the coming weeks as the construction phase of the stadium completes. Source: Daily Mirror
Michael Kenrick
32 Posted 05/12/2024 at 22:25:21
Brent,

The key to its operation seems to be the plate in the centre of the drainpipe intake. When the inflow of water covers that plate, it stops air entering the drainpipe, allowing a vertical siphon effect to develop as the weight of water accelerates the flow down the pipe, to the maximum capacity they are talking about.

Without that plate, it operates like a normal downspout, with much less capacity. Since the selling point is far fewer downspouts, then the normal flow capacity is much much less than the required design siphon capacity, likely causing the system to overflow under even moderate rainfall events.

Seems a simple thing that could have been avoided, but maybe it somehow slipped to near the end of the construction sequence.

Ian Davis
33 Posted 05/12/2024 at 23:00:06
To be fair, I seen a larger floods of urine in many grounds over the years. The old Wembley used to have about three inches by half time
John Chambers
34 Posted 05/12/2024 at 23:07:05
This is a rerun of a story originally from October. At the time the club reponse was:

"With the stadium roof now complete, workers are busy installing the siphonic drainage system behind the barrel.

Siphonic drains use clever hydraulic technology that effectively suck water down narrower drainpipes into the water storage system quicker than the traditional method of gravity, in turn eliminating the risk of water cascading into the stands.”

Guess we just need an update to see how close they are to completion…

Ernie Baywood
35 Posted 05/12/2024 at 23:26:33
Who would have thought that an incomplete stadium might have issues?

They'll sort it.

Brian Wilkinson
36 Posted 05/12/2024 at 23:46:01
Will get in before Derek Knox

Speedo Mick doing a photo shoot there.

John Pickles
37 Posted 06/12/2024 at 00:17:48
They never sorted that big hole over the pitch at Goodison.

Rain's always getting in.

Eric Myles
38 Posted 06/12/2024 at 00:54:15
Brendan #20, wavelength of the light, my guess is it's providing heat to the grass?
Bobby Mallon
39 Posted 06/12/2024 at 06:37:34
Brent 29. Thanks for that link. Having only one downpipe seems silly to me especially if the down pipe gets blocked.
Paul Hewitt
40 Posted 06/12/2024 at 06:52:21
I simply don't believe that the roof drainage system isn't fully fitted. It's one of the first things you would make sure was finished coming in the winter period.
Mark Murphy
41 Posted 06/12/2024 at 07:26:25
Ernie, my thoughts exactly - I can’t understand the huge fuss over this.
UTFT
Paul Ferry
42 Posted 06/12/2024 at 07:35:16
I trust PH40 on. this. He builds things.
Paul Ferry
43 Posted 06/12/2024 at 07:38:24
Climate change and rising water will destroy BMD stadium inside ten years. We will not be able to afford the insurance by 2030,
Kim Vivian
44 Posted 06/12/2024 at 08:06:40
If in doubt - ask Dan...!
Rob Halligan
45 Posted 06/12/2024 at 09:28:46
Paul # 42… very true, he does, but then they fall down again.

Remember a few years back, he built a toy soldiers fort for his son… it collapsed!! 😂😂

James Hughes
46 Posted 06/12/2024 at 09:34:07
Get Bob over there… he'll fix it!
Jeff Armstrong
47 Posted 06/12/2024 at 18:03:11
I'm with PH40 on this one.

I've been in construction for all my working life. Water ingress is one of the first things that is sorted out as the roof goes on in the natural upward build of any construction; this allows the fit out below to be completed without rainwater destroying all the internal build: concourses, function rooms, changing areas, toilet blocks, boardrooms etc etc.

Siphonic drainage would be completed early just the same as a gravity system, to ensure no water ingress destroying internal construction.

The two recent floods are a concern. Don't be thinking, "Well, it's an external issue." Water gets everywhere once it gets into a building.

Everton FC should not accept handover from Laing O'Rourke under any circumstances until it's put right. They are still currently trying to put Alder Hey's roof right 10 years after handover, they have never actually left site, the roof being one of many issues on that particular build that they are still trying to correct.

Don't be dazzled by the fact Bramley Moore was a dock full of water just 3 years ago, modern construction in the UK is a minefield.

Phil Wood
48 Posted 06/12/2024 at 18:08:14
Jeff 47,

Why the heck were these guys given our contract in the first place? Sounds like a shambles.

Jeff Armstrong
49 Posted 06/12/2024 at 18:16:01
Phil, believe me, they're all the same, Laing O'Rourke, Vinci, Balfour, Kier, Morgan Sindall etc.

Everything is rushed and “We'll deal with the snags later” is the philosophy.

Roy Exley
50 Posted 06/12/2024 at 19:08:29
That's our new anthem then - 'You'll Never Wade Alone'!
Billy Bradshaw
51 Posted 06/12/2024 at 19:23:58
I'm not saying they are the problem but I've often thought if the roof expansion joints would ever be a concern.
Tony Abrahams
52 Posted 06/12/2024 at 19:32:18
The thing that I took out of that video the most was how steep the terracing looks, but that was before I read what Jeff@47 wrote!
Phil Wood
53 Posted 07/12/2024 at 06:15:52
Don't worry, I have heard from an insider that we will have Lifeguards in attendance at every game.
Also a flag system will be activated during severe weather. Red flags flying in case of flooding to the pitch and postponement.
Justin Doone
54 Posted 07/12/2024 at 11:36:22
Only just come across this article.

Those who think the waterfall in the new stadium may be a fake... ha ha. I don't know what you may have watched, if you're having a laugh or being serious but the comments certainly made me laugh.

What I have seen isn't fake and, although I know little about construction, I'm sure a building should be weatherproof before the electricals are installed.

Another fine mess. I bet Moshiri can't wait to end his ties to Everton. A fine plan, good meaningful investment, on and off the pitch, plenty of cash spent, but not much to show for any of it.

Paul Hewitt
55 Posted 07/12/2024 at 12:03:38
Only 3 reasons why it leaked.

1) They haven't yet fully fitted the drainage system (I really can't see that).
2) They haven't fitted it properly.
3) Or it simply can't take the amount of water coming down.

Take your pick.

Paul Hewitt
56 Posted 07/12/2024 at 12:08:54
The thing that worries me if Laing O'Rourke can't even get the basics of waterproofing a new build, what else can't they do?
Rob Halligan
57 Posted 07/12/2024 at 12:35:35
Anyone who thinks this problem won’t be solved lives in cloud cuckoo land!
Danny O'Neill
58 Posted 07/12/2024 at 13:07:05
It's all gone to plan. One thing left to sort out.

All projects will suffer glitches, so given the scale of this one, it has gone to plan.

I'm not concerned. It will get sorted. Finishing touches and all that.

Jim Bennings
59 Posted 07/12/2024 at 14:18:26
They allowed the water to come in as the club is already sinking.
Brian Williams
60 Posted 07/12/2024 at 14:37:06
Jim being his usual side splitting self I see. 🫣
Rob Halligan
61 Posted 07/12/2024 at 14:38:06
Brian 😂😂😂👍👍👍
Pat Kelly
62 Posted 07/12/2024 at 17:44:07
All hype. It only floods when it’s raining.
Si Cooper
63 Posted 09/12/2024 at 13:51:01
Jeff (49),

Is it just my perception or is there really no real ‘competition' in construction in general once you get above the little guys? Easy money with plenty of profitable work to be shared around?

If so, it's not exactly a recipe for super efficiency or super quality is it, unless you've got ‘water-tight' technical agreements?


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