Barry's ludicrous missed chance costs Everton the win

Same old line-up except Beto out and Barry in.

Bloody hell, Moyes... can you not change things around?

Starting to look like Dyche Mk 2.

I do not see anything positive from this game.

The only change I think he should have made was Alcaraz for Barry. (Beto or Barry)

When is Moyes gonna realize significant change is needed to get a different result???

Hopefully we don't let him breathe tonight. A big game tonight we need a performance.

Moyes must photostat the teamsheet and get the Tippex out to change Beto to Barry and vice versa every game!

Isolated up front with a ponderous midfield behind him.

I just hope, if things aren't going to Plan Z, he makes early changes!

For his sake, I hope we get a result today.

Dewsbury-Hall just sits on Garner's and Gueye's knees and the centre-forward is isolated upfront.

Grealish slows everything down.

Remember, this is supposed to be fun. A diversion from the shite of daily life. We've got Grealish on one wing and Ndiaye on the other.

I'd have gone Garner at right-back, O'Brien and Tarkowski centre-backs, and Alcaraz at Number 10.

Dewsbury-Hall, Obrien at right back, and flip-flopping on Beto vs Barry isn't working.

I would have liked to have seen Röhl start as well. UTFT

I've got no problem with the line-up. It's the result I'm interested in.

So if it's going well, great; but if not, please can we see some changes.

Dyche certainly never had the quality of players on the bench that Moyes has today. That might explain his reluctance to change... but Moyes cannot say that today. Why would he think the same team with Barry for Beto that lost 0-3 v the poor Spuds team?

It must come down to that, no matter what happens in training, Moyes has a list of the players he trusts. Those appear week by week on the team sheet to start and the rest are there to be shuffled on when we are losing.

Has Moyes 2.0 lost his way? Has what used to happen doesn't work any more?

Now, having said all that, I would love to be proved wrong with a win! Any less and we will soon be in the Bottom 6 again. I thought we had had enough of that in the last 4 years!

Experienced managers fade when unable to face the truth in using a Number 9 that can't score puts you at the wrong end of the table.

No doubt comparisons drawn to the non-appearances of our somewhat older and less visible Chairman.

Gana needs a rest.

But let's not worry, Dibling is really impressive in training and I'm sure, with 5 minutes left, Moyes will ring the changes.

Another night of drudgery awaits.

We have 2 shit full-backs from an attacking point of view. I don't get the obsession with playing Dewsbury-Hall.

I know we haven't got a lot to analyse, or talk about, but it is our time in the limelight!

I think Barry will score and I believe it will kick-start his career with us.

The graphic earlier about Premier League managers moving to “big teams” and Spurs are deemed to be one of them, so too were Newcastle.

I'm hoping it works, but if not, he has to make 4/5 changes going forward, or he's in bother?

Last 10 minutes we look a bit dodgy ourselves. Hope we don't regret not scoring more.

We've played well overall but we've been down this road so many times it's hard not to fear the worst.

Feel for Barry, he's done a good job tonight but his confidence must be shot after that miss. Hopefully Beto will get a chance on a breakaway in the second half.

COYB.

Last 15 minutes, we retreated and we were holding on for half-time.

First 15 minutes in the second half is critical, Dewsbury-Hall needs to stop giving the ball away.

Instead, we missed our chances and allowed them to come right back at us... incredible it took them 35 minutes!

All to play for in Part 2: how will Moyes ensure we leave with all 3 points?

I'm thinking the same as you about Barry, still on his own up front mostly, yes he should have scored but I can see little things in him, some are not coming off but if, there”s that word again, he gets a goal I'm hoping it will revitalise his time with us.

We started off very well and kept it up and really should have come off with a bigger lead which we deserve, but those last ten minutes or so we relinquished our hold on the game, hopefully with a few subs on in the second half we can go again and get the three points.

If he doesn't improve, get Alcaraz on.

We've spent £100M on players that Moyes doesn't think can improve that team.

We spend £30M on a striker who can't dislodge Beto.

We spend £40M on a winger who can't get in ahead of McNeil.

We spend £20M on a midfielder who's not started a game

And £12M on a full back who can't get in ahead of Coleman.

Oh, and what the fuck was Alcaraz doing not playing in Beto at the end? Or is the answer too obvious?

He played for a draw from the minute they scored.

I still don't know which is the least bad option up front.

You just knew when Barry missed from 2 yards that we'd regret it. I was pleased to get 1-1 in the end because I thought a Sunderland penalty was looking increasingly likely.

Fans, Teams, Managers X 2 = 6. Five out of 6 probably see it as 2 points lost -- except one, who will see it as a point gained.

Beto and Barry, a pair of useless interchangeable big Galoots.

Should've been out of sight after 30 mins.

Could've been won at the death.

Keane my MotM.

After that and the second half, I'm relieved with a draw.

Get a centre-forward on 1 January. I don't care who. He cannot be worse than the two puddings we have.

Beto awful. McNeil a disgrace. Dewsbury-Hall should have been hooked. Getting overwhelmed in the 2nd half and Moyes did fuck-all until too late. Beginning to despair of him. Relegation performance 2nd half.

Keane outstanding. What a turn around for him this season but we should have been out of sight and, when we weren't, Moyes should have acted. Hating watching us at the moment.

Such a fine line.

We have poor strikers and once again it cost us.

Trying to play defence for too long always backfires for Everton but they got away with it. Still we are what we are and that is a mid-table team until the strike force improves and Moyes changes -- which we all know he will not.

He clearly does not rate Dibling or Barry. That's a lot of money.
Which begs the question. Why isn't he happy? What the fuck went on over the summer???

Typical shite from Moyes. Trying to change things with 7 minutes to go.

I have only been looking up the table this season. Sadly it's back to looking below us and how many points we are off the Bottom 3.

There's a reason we've held onto most during the PSR crises. It's because most are shite.

The subbing of McNeil for Ndiaye was a dreadful decision. Barry with a yellow was too much of a risk for Moyes.

I actually expected more from Moyes, but he will be content with a draw.

Moyes remains the biggest problem.

The two full-backs were very poor for both halves. Once Ndiaye went off, I expected little going forward.

Very happy with the point -- it was deserved for a very dominant performance in those first 35 minutes.

The dugout looked like “The Last Of The Summer Wine” with Moyes talking to himself and Irvine and the fella who was at West Ham with Moyes just looking at him and offering nothing. I never saw Baines — maybe they sent him to the cafe to get the teas ready.

Dibling still on the bench with the two fellas in green jerseys and the young German kid along for the ride.

We all know how poor he's been, yet he gets in ahead of our star signing.

I expect that they'll massively drop off second half of season and finish nowhere near their current position.

He looks old and clueless on the sideline.

Then, on 20 minutes, Moyes is making "slow it down" gestures... and we let them back into it.

2 points lost.

Moyes told the players to start walking on 20 minutes. It's there for everyone to see.

I have heard that Dibling is very poor in training and, if that's the case, you don't put him on the pitch unless you are desperate.

In the second half, I thought Grealish and Dewsbury-Hall were very poor.

I also think Sunderland are not any great shakes, they will start falling down the Premier League, with displays like that.

David Moyes is a seasoned professional who believes a mid-table position as successful.

I've praised Moyes to the hilt... not no more. I'd love to know how the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford, and now Sunderland identify these progressive young managers, yet we employ dinosaurs like Moyes, Dyche, Allardyce and Benitez. We are a laughing stock -- a complete joke of a club.

We are out of the League Cup, not going to trouble the European places, definitely not going to win the FA Cup. All we are going to do is languish in mid-table to near the relegation zone.

What a fucking miserable club this is to support, that game was there for the taking tonight because, let's face it, they were poor. But no -- we let them back in and lo and behold hang on for a point.

And please... what was the McNeil sub about? Ahead of Alcaraz who at least looks interested when he gets his customary 7 or 8 minutes. I just hope Ndiaye is nothing serious cos, without him... well.

Fulham will come at us full tilt and we'll be looking over our shoulder a-fuckin-gain!

Different positions, but if you're going to have ‘project players' then don't go spending £60M on them. Develop the ones you already have.

How is there not a young striker at the club that can come in and do a job? Why bother having a youth team and academy?

And then Moyes got involved with McNeil substitution. A monumental cock up. Röhl and Iroegbunam should have been on to strengthen the middle.

Snatching a draw from the jaws of a win. Disappointing.

The Barry for Beto switch on 53 minutes made little sense. And then he changed nothing despite us having zero possession in their half.

McNeil only came on because of injury. So was Moyes content with what he was watching? I just do not get it.

Clueless all round.

When they normally do, he makes changes with a few minutes to go.

Two for one and null their contracts... Fuck Off, B & B!!!

How many did you ask? Ridiculous comment.

Nobody wants to keep changing managers but eventually results will mean, much like Dyche this time last year, a position is simply untenable.

If we don't beat Fulham on Saturday, we have another break with internationals then another Monday night away game at Old Trafford, a graveyard of a venue against a resurgent Man Utd side.

December could be looking very bleak for us if we don't start to change this spiralling season.

Choosing McNeil instead of Dibling to replace Ndiaye can only be described by the same adjective that Michael correctly described Barry's miss: ludicrous.

I said before the game I'd take a point and, to be honest, I'm not massively disappointed. We could have lost that easily. We're looking decidedly more mid-table with each passing week. It's frustrating but it's better than being relegation fodder.

If Moyes is not picking players because he doesn't fancy them, why did he authorise the signings? I think it's more likely that he's convinced he's got his best eleven on the pitch, regardless of what the fans think his best eleven is.

He's nothing if not stubborn. We move on.

Sad to be proven right.

Looks like he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders. Please Moyes don't flip-flop again and put Beto in at the start against Fulham.

Apart from that, they really get feck all to play off.

A load of players not ready.

Not ready, not ready, that's all we ever fucking hear with our signings, how come other clubs signings are always ready?

Why didn't we try to sign Kubo then instead of Dibling?

Why didn't we try to sign a more experienced striker instead of Barry?

Why didn't we keep Ashley Young instead of playing a 6'6 right back, or even better, sign a proper right back?

Our recruitment absolutely dreadful and we are now suffering from it, feels like Moyes bringing McNeil on too was him spitting his dummy out and making that exact point. about the recruitment in summer

You must admit the McNeil substitution was genius as was the Tweedledee for Tweedledumb.

Time to start with O’Brien and Keane at centre-half and give Coleman a start.

I rest my case.

We've played essentially 4-5-1 now since 2004... it is the most turgid depressing soul destroying formation ever invented. The only way we improve is a new manager with a totally different philosophy.

We are the worst watch by a country mile in this league.

Woke up. Dialed in at 40 mins, 1-0. Glad to see it... but if we get to half time, we could lose this.

Moyes will try to defend that for 45 minutes. He'll fail. Our heads will go down and we will lose. Close.

I thought Moyes had improved. Still cautious to a fault but not as bad as he used to be.

Beto and Barry should not play in blue ever again. I like Betto BTW. He should be the attitude coach for the kids.

We may be in the shit here. Marco won't be feeling sorry for us.

It was also blatantly obvious that we were being overrun in midfield in the second half, yet it took the Manager so long to realize it and too late.

As for the striker situation, it's Groundhog Day every match.
The striker who starts is then subbed and replaced, the replacement in turn will start next match and be replaced by the man he replaced in the previous match. Confused? Nnot really.

At the end of the day, we're creating chances thanks to improved attacking play. The hysteria about Moyes, the negativity etc is just the usual 'ludicrous' ToffeeWeb bollocks. Encouraged by the site itself of course.

TFG have big decision to make in the summer, they're unlikey to get rid of a CEO and newly formed recruitment team and therefore if they can't get on the same page sharpish then it'll be the manager that'll need replacing come the summer.

Hilarious and sad at the same time Dave A.

Blues waiting for a striker to appear is starting to feel like we're Waiting for Godot.

Awful miss from Barry. He clearly knows it though. At what point will Moyes question whether persistently substituting strikers at half time might be part of the problem? Barry and Beto are in a team that creates next to nothing for strikers, they are on a hiding to nothing. Other than the chance Barry missed was there another decent cross into the box?

Ndiaye is in a class of his own at Everton, we will be lucky to keep him until the end of the season.

The miss from 2 yards ended the game for us and gave them all of the momentum. I expected him to get the hook just after the hour and looking back now Moyes should have left him on as Beto was anonymous.

We know Beto is shite whereas Barry has potential to be better than shit and hooking him every 45 mins will crush his confidence.

It's got to the point where Moyes should be considering other players as a striker. We are playing with 10 men each game. The current 2 strikers will get him the sack.

The first 30 mins was as good as we have played against an average team. The following 60 minutes was the worse all season, 2nd to every ball.

Kdh is hopeless off the ball and was again lucky to get 80 mins.

Alcaraz had a great chance and should have lobbed the keeper early instead of clinging onto the ball.

Grealish must be wondering how he has ended up with us.
Won the lot and now playing with lads who hate the football.

On tonight's showing a top half finish is a long way away.
We have 1 player who has scored more than 1 goal all season says it all.

We’re abject, and only an injury to NDiaye or Grealish away from free fall.

The strikers are laughable but the people who scouted and recruited them are getting paid to work in professional sports and have blown 70 million when you include their contracts.

Moyes was needed as a short term solution but we’ll stay the worst team to watch, until he goes.

So you were expecting to push for the Champions or Europa League this season, were you? Good luck with that one.

Because Jimmy, theres a good chance he had nothing to do with them, we seem to have this set of collective 'Recruitment Group' wallahs running things now.

The fact that Sunderland could go 2nd above City if they won seemed to play on their mind, then Garner(?) hit the post more or less from the K.O. fightened them even more.

At 6s & 7s doesn't begin to cover it. They were all over the place like mad womans shit.
They were losing it good style diving in, rolling about.
More chances missed, Then a goal down, Barrys miss...
Then all of a sudden, for some reason it changes...wtf???.

I blinked and missed Moyeses 'Slow it down' moment, if true well words fail me, but on second thoughts, why am I suprised.

Wolves, Burnley, Leeds and West Ham are the only other clubs showing such dysfunctional form. West Ham could turn it around and that leaves it a bit close.

Whilst Moyes may feel he has his best 11 on the field, results are clearly showing he has hit it wrong. The man never changes, it’s the same old shit every game.

We need a new, young manager with fresh ideas and a plan b. Because will never change his ways, or his lineup

And Colin wants him to simply drop half of his game.

Are you kidding???

Jim #78, we did try very hard to sign Kubo. So did Bayern, PSG and Arsenal. He hasn't moved yet. We also bid for multiple experienced strikers -- Fofana and Dovbyk to name two -- who chose not to come.

KDH's level has dropped off a cliff, the full backs as usual offer nothing coming forward. It's almost embarrassing to watch Myko try and be 'offensive'. McNeil and Beto stank the place out when they came on. Dibling must be offering nothing in training, nor Aznou, if not deemed better than their alternatives. Rohl also has to be worth a look, maybe instead of KDH. Something, anything

I hope Ilmian is OK without him we would be nigh on entirely toothless. Were some people thinking this bunch of misfits could make top 10? People say we shouldn't be happy with lower mid table, and I'm not happy with it, but that is the reality. Let's hope it isn't worse. That second half was one of our worst ever.

KDH's level has dropped off a cliff, the full backs as usual offer nothing coming forward. It's almost embarrassing to watch Myko try and be 'offensive'. McNeil and Beto stank the place out when they came on. Dibling must be offering nothing in training, nor Aznou, if not deemed better than their alternatives. Rohl also has to be worth a look, maybe instead of KDH. Something, anything

I hope Ilmian is OK without him we would be nigh on entirely toothless. Were some people thinking this bunch of misfits could make top 10? People say we shouldn't be happy with lower mid table, and I'm not happy with it, but that is the reality. Let's hope it isn't worse. That second half was one of our worst ever.

An XG in the second half of 0.02 which sums up the display. The manager was going for a draw the moment Sunderland equalised.

The substitutions were a disaster 1) McNeil on ahead of Dibling 2) KDH not replaced until 83rd minute 3) Rohl left on the bench when Gueye was knackered.

On Thierno Barry, as terrible as that miss was. I think he should start against Fulham. He links up play slightly better and looks like he is, on occasion, in control of his legs.