Desperate Dave

Anyone want to start a "Moyes must go" facebook group?

Couldn't agree more with your assessment, I too find the prospect and experience of attending Goodison Park these days a mind-numbing chore. Even the pubs around the Ground are lacking the usual buzz due to the current malaise that is sucking the lifeblood out of the club and the depressing doom and gloom that is permeating the Club.

I missed the Arsenal game due to the fact that I just couldn't be arsed and will be seriously considering ditching my £600 plus outlay each season for a shite and obstructed seat in the Upper Bullens.

I've found myself questioning his perceived cautiousness so I have looked at a few stats and have found some interesting things.

Moyes's Everton have accumulated the 5th most points in the league in his time in charge (8 years) and, over the last 4 years, have a better goal difference than anyone but Chelsea, Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool and have scored more goals than them and Spurs.

This with the 15th biggest net spend and the 11th lowest wage budget.

All this, ' there are plenty out there who could do a far better job' may not be strictly true.

People might say 'it is the here and now we need to look at' but say Moyes walked/sacked and we got in someone like Coyle in. What if he struggles, do we then call for him to be sacked?

For me we need to sell Heitinga, Bily, Saha, Pienaar and Yakubu and get players who want to be at the club in. Too many players are going through the motions. Yes, the manager needs to get his act together but let's also have the players and shithouse Bill taking a hard look at themselves.

Maybe as fans we also need to accept we are a mid-table club (in terms of our ground, our sponsorship deals), who have been punching above our weight for a few seasons now.

If we're as fucked off with all of this as we say we are, then why don't we try and do something? I say we boycott the next home game. Most of us are struggling to find the enthusiasm to go anyway so if no fans turn up (just for 1 game) it'll show Moyes and Kenwright how sick of their shit we are.

They are happy with survival.

If he is supposed to be some kind of master tactician then he has a lot to answer for. If he is supposed to be a great fitness coach, how come we are the slowest least mobile team in the league? Is he supposedly a brilliant motivator? same as above.

As a Moyes clone, he most definitely is. That being the case, we can hardly expect any new ideas from him.

By the way, welcome back Tony, you old bastard.

Dropped points because of poor individual mistakes (Howard, Heitinga) and a lack of a forward who can score goals (Beckford, Yak and Saha only one goal between them).

Not trying to be an "apologist" ? just attempting to strike a balance.

Anyway, Kenwright needs to be gone so we get the finances to compete with teams spending millions each year.

Gerry Western, the point you make is pertinent and disconcerting.

Nice to see you back, Tony, how we missed you when Everton were playing joined-up, attacking football. Now, it seems, your disciples need you.

Ryan (No 7) some interesting facts, not that such things carry much weight in a pity party. I must say I am finding turning up at Goodison a chore these days, but more so because of the negativity surrounding me. The performance on Saturday was shocking by fans and the players alike. Still preferable to reading opinions on threads like these, I think I'll stick to the news articles and Ken's reports until results improve or the blood letting so many want is over and done with.

I have a sneaking feeling that the West Brom match will soon be looked on as the wake-up call we`ve been waiting for.

We are so clueless at the moment I can't see a light at the end of the tunnel. We are in serious trouble. Our only hope of getting out of this is that the fighting spirit of a few of our players ? Neville, Cahill, and Pienaar will lift the performance of the other players who care about the club ? otherwise its good night nurse.

BTW we are not talking about duffers or Championship players (Beckford apart) but talented strikers, on fabulous contracts. The Yak, one of the most prolific marksmen in the history of the Prem; what?s happened to him? Saha, just about everyone in football has the same opinion that on his day, he?s better than anyone around ? except he currently looks like football?s an unpleasant diversion from spending all that cash.

Furthermore, don?t give me that crap about Moyes doesn?t know how to motivate them, they aren?t 18-year-old kids that need guidance but seasoned professionals, that should at least be playing for their professional pride let alone the blue jersey.

Oh and welcome back Tony, and it?s a timely reminder that the few times I?ve watched Glen Beck from Fox News, I say to myself we Brits wouldn?t tolerate the shite he comes out with, that we have our own version of Mr Beck.

Your voice is a much needed catalyst to hopefully wake up those that still seem blinded to the parlous state that Everton are in.

What a sad, literally, fucking lot we are... Cheers, Davey, you negative fooker!

ps: Now James Vaughan seems fit, is he not a better bet than Beckford... he is younger and has more Prem experience AND can hit a fucking barn door!

It's like a new signing!

We have been going backwards since we lost to Chelsea in the FA Cup Final,judging by the atmosphere by me on Matchdays(home)our supporters,wether they admit it or not know that this current squad is finished and that it is time for a painful re-build,personally i'd like to see it done by someone other than Moyes,someone who is going to bring back attacking football,which we haven't seen since the Joe Royle days,i'd rather see some of the younger players given a chance now,they can do no worse than our senior players,Cahill,Distin and to some extent Pienaar excepted.
TIME FOR CHANGE!

This was the best squad of players we had had since the glory days of the 80s and I believed that since I sat through the 90s dross; there was no doubt about it, it is the best squad, player for player, we have had at Everton for many a year. Moyes, the man who had put it together without being given megabucks, was the solution to our long standing problem of being an also-ran; I believed we could crack the top four and maybe more this season... but all that optimism has now evaporated ? and the reason is David Moyes.

I am saying nothing new here ? many now know Moyes is the problem: he doesn?t have any plan B, and that is a disgrace when you consider plan A is shot to bits. The non-movement on the 4-5-1 formation, especially at Goodison, has been found out and the only man who can change it doesn?t know it. He has the best squad he has had since his time here ? well, David, do me a favour and fucking use it!

There are too many players who are simply guaranteed their place, week-in, week-out. Now I make no apology for the way Heitinga has played lately and his shite-spouting about going to a new ?bigger? club... but, to be fair to the lad, when he sees Jagielka getting a game ahead of him at centre-half, he must be well pissed off. Jags has been complete shite this season and the change should have been made weeks ago... but that is where Moyes is the problem ? he won't change, he won't use the best squad he has had since his time here, he won't mix it up and he won't make changes.

Before the matches kick off, everybody knows the script by now... especially at home, where we start 4-5-1. At half-time, it's either 0-0 or we are a goal down; he then waits normally 20 minutes to see if the 4-5-1 can get us back in the game. It doesn?t, so he will make a like-for-like change ? does he mix it up? Does he fuck. No wonder the supporters are turning off ? we know what is going to happen and there isn?t a thing we can do about it. This in turn makes for a terrible atmosphere at Goodison.

We now face Chelsea at the weekend and we all know what formation he will play and we could probably have a good guess at how the game will pan out. None of us expect Moyes to go there and play 4-4-2 and just go for it, like Sunderland did. He again will sit tight and see what Chelsea do. He won't be pro active and spring a surprise. I, for one, really hope he will... but he won't!

With all this going on, the supporters are stuck between wanting Moyes out and sticking with him out of fear; it could all totally unravel if he walks. If he goes, the age-old question: "Who do we get in?"... some names have been mentioned on TW but none get me excited. I personally have no idea who I would like to take over if Moyes goes ? I just know that Moyes was once the solution but right now he is the problem ? but with a slight change in attitude, coupled with using and believing in his squad, he could so easily become the solution again. It's over to you, Dave... but I won't hold my breath. Up the Toffees.

I reckon there are a few sad looking betting slips in the hands of some Evertonians.Amazingly we are only 350/1 to win the title. Multiply that by twenty million and the bookies would still be robbing bastards.

The big freeze
The coalition Government
Major cuts
Reality TV shite

? back comes Tony Marsh. Out from under his rock to share his negative views all over again, a bit like a Cliff Richard Xmas song. It all sounds the same, year after year.

I am made up you are back, Marshy; like our team, the posts have been boring without you. Yes, we are garbage ? but you still talk shite. Welcome back, you old moaner.

Then along came Dave, the naughty boy led us into Europe on several occasions and we dared to start dreaming of bigger and better things.

The bubble is being squeezed and now all these miserable bastards still want the earth but not naughty Dave, cos he gave us all this hope and we obviously can't cope with expectations.

Bitter blues is really quite apt at times. We really need to start believing again and then everything will get better.

So many thought Moyes was the real deal... I just think he is a fraud.

Also expecting another team sheet brain wave, don't be suprised if he puts Fellaini up front with Cahill on Saturday and Neville in midfield with Heitinga.

Oh for the days of Mr Moores, the Taxis would have been queuing up outside Goodison Months ago. Tony, most of the older Evertonians agree with you 100%