Where we stand today, I believe if we can keep them, Baines and Fellaini are more likely to give Everton some chance of success next year ? success means getting into the Europa Cup for the 2012-13 season. Baines in my eyes has become the best left back in the league, I can't understand how Capello doesn?t rate him, and on today's market he must be in the £15-20M range. Fellaini is becoming one of the league's best midfield players. When he?s on song he totally dominates the opposition and his partnership with Arteta is going to develop big time. On today?s market he must be in the £25-30M bracket .
Rodwell to me is the potential star of the future but for a number of reasons he won't be our match winner next year. I?m still unsure whether the game's leading lights see him as a centre-half or a defensive midfielder or an attacking midfielder... Until his best position is defined, I still see him as a back-up player, particularly at Everton where he won't get in the team in any of those positions just yet. If the press is to be believed, I see the figure of £15M being talked about, and I suppose at his age that?s about the best we?ll get ? though, if and when he really develops, I believe he will become a £30M player.
If I was the manager and was told by Kenwright to find £5M for the banks and whatever is left you can spend, I?d have to let Rodwell go in the summer. I?d be left with possibly £10-12M to spend. We probably need that alone for a potential Premier League striker, which we desperately need if we are to become competitive again.
The £64k question though is ? Will Fellaini stay? Or will he want to fly to get Champions League football next season ? as Pienaar & Torres have just done? I think Moyes might find he hasn?t got the final say on who goes or stays; Fellaini (& his dad) will come knocking at the end of this season and tell him to sell now for £25M ? or he?ll do a Pienaar and we?ll end up with peanuts ? if you know what I mean.
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In my opinion, a Saha type that stays fit would do the job. Anichebe and Beckford aren't ever going to be prolific enough we also know they would need to hold the line on their own upfront with Moyes persisting with 4-5-1 I would like a Lakuka or a Daniel Sturridge type ? young forwards with great potential and they do score goals and would be capable of toeing the line on their own as they're big strong and quick.
So come on fellow blues ? who would you like to see be our new striking sensation, a Gwladys Street hero for years to come. COYB!!
Sadly, Rodwell will also depart, and this for me will be the greater blow and perhaps even the final straw for me!Sigh! I hate Mondays again!
The key this summer will be to identify replacements promptly, and to ensure that we get top dollar for those we sell. The club must never forget that Carroll went for £30M, Torres for £50M. So if Man U come sniffing for Jack we play hardball for once and demand £25M up front. If Chelsea are casting glances at Fellaini put a reserve price of £30M. Throw in our World Cup finalist at £10M and we should be able to clear our debts and have a small sum left over. Or is this too simple?
Moyes then has to address the need to bring in some workmanlike replacements from the Championship in time for the close season. This isn't going to get us into the top four or indeed the top eight but may just be the beginning of the recovery, especially if we are more tempting to an investor being debt free.
Do away with the long haul pre-season jaunts to Oz and the States... make sure our contracts people do not drop bollocks like the Gosling fiasco and part with the guys currently out on loan. Perhaps then we can hang on to Felli and Rodwell if they are prepared to stay with us!!
I would unload Yak, Vaughan, Bily and definitely Dutch Schultz and Yobo before I contemplated selling the first team players; this would lessen our wage bill too.
Here is the team I would play right now for a few games:GK: Howard RB: Coleman CB: Jagielka CB: Distin LB: Neville RM: Arteta CM: Rodwell CM: Fellani LM: Baines CF: Saha/Cahill or Saha/Beckford.
This squad have had their chance and have blown it so move some seniors on and start to rebuild. We need to freshen the squad and I would start by shipping out Arteta, Heitinga, Bily, Anichebe, Osman and Yobo.
I suppose we could hold on to him for another year, but his value will drop in that year and, given we need the money now, we might as well sell him if we get the right offer.It's not all bad though ? we already have a player tailor-made to fill the same role (Rodwell, who will get additional chances to develop with Fellaini gone), and we should pull a very tidy sum for Fellaini. £25m or so sounds about right to me.
Oh that's good ? plucky little Everton, keeping up the supply line to the big clubs, eh? I hope we're good enough to let Utd defer half the payment for a year to help them a bit more.
He's said in interviews that he sees himself as a similar player to Rio Ferdinand. Playing at the same club as Rio will obviously make him a better player so he can learn from him. Rio may not be the player he was ? but there is no doubt he was a top class defender in his peak.
Here at Everton he's used all over the team, normally substitute appearances and hasn't really been given a chance to find his feet in the first team. He's also playing under a negative manager in Moyes.
You've seen how Rooney has progressed at United ? he's arguably one of the best strikers in European football. Don't get me wrong, I do hope Jack stays here at Everton. He's a class act.
Only sell what does not improve our first team, ie Vic, Ossie and Hibbo.
Where is the afformentioned Robert Earl 25% stakeholder in Everton, we've had Sly Stallone at Everton 4 years ago - what else has he contributed. Let's stop making Kenwright's job easy suggesting a way out, keep the pressure up and get the twat out!
Rooney was castigated for engineering his move, Kenwright conveniently coming out smelling of roses with a deal based on installments + player acquistion - Neville, Howard. Rooney was an asset who appeased the bank manager, he brought in more to Everton than Kenwright ever has and people sit there making Kenwright's job easy suggesting that Rodwell, or Fellaini or Baines ? who should be sold?
Say you manage to screw a decent figure for Baines or Fellaini then who replaces them? How much of the funds would Moyes be given and would we more likely see some unknown kid from a European third division signed, never played then disappear into thin air again? Or maybe a secret signing so secret even the manager has forgotten about them?
I think everyone is fairly together on Baines staying put. He's scouse and loves it at Goodison. Neither Jack nor Fellaini will be at the club in 5 years, but I think offloading Fellaini now would be the move.
Most players that come from the continent to Everton ARE using the club as a stepping stone, so why delay the inevitable? If we do renew Fellaini's contract, it will be for huge money, and we will be in a worse situation immediately, for the chance of making an extra few million in the long run.
Rodwell, on the other hand, is still relatively cheap on a weekly basis, so we really could hang onto him until he's about 21-22 (2013-ish), by which point we may be in a better position to keep him, or we can get really good money for him. I don't understand why people lump Heintinga and Bily in the 'old wood' category. They are 26 and 25 respectively (Bily's 26 next week), so they have about 10 years left in their careers. Both have shown lately that they are decent players, and if they want to stay at Everton, I'd be honoured to have them stay as long as they want.
Various reports have suggested that the Everton business model is unsustainable, elequently summarised by the recent pieces by Joe Beardwood and Colin Fitzpatrick. The recent fans Trust highlighted on these pages being a beacon of light in an otherwise bleak and miserable winter, or third transfer window of discontent. It would appear now that the only strategy left following the sell-off of all tangible assets that the next logical step is to start selling off any major assets that exist within the playing staff.
The Wayne Rooney sale has been played out to death ad infinitum since 2004; however, it remains a cautionary tale for anybody questioning the motives of Kenwright and Co concerning Marouane Fellaini or Jack Rodwell. Wayne Rooney has been castigated by many for his perceived disloyalty to Everton in 2004, a sale not for £50 million pounds in Bill Kenwright's words that amounted to not even half that amount but ultimately kept the bailiffs from the door to the Chairman's office on Goodison Road.
Kenwright has a history of selling the family silverware, so expect a Marouane Fellaini or Jack Rodwell to be the next player out of the door. I for one though will not believe the hyperbole trotted out by the Club blaming the player or his father, agent or representatives when Kenwright cashes the cheque to retain his grubby paws on power and appease the paymasters.
Everton is a selling club, fact; how do we as fans begin to change the status quo?
Craig, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you're taking the piss with that statement!"I don't understand why people lump Heintinga and Bily in the 'old wood' category..... if they want to stay at Everton, I'd be honoured to have them stay as long as they want."Old wood? More like MDF. Could it be because they've contributed next to nothing between them all season? They'll both be gone in the summer and neither will be missed.
Yobo is out on loan and doing reasonably well. He hasn't contributed this season... conservative estimated value (cev) approx £4 or 5M.
The Yak is out on loan and (regardless of whether we think he was coming back to form) has not been a significant contributor this season... cev £4 or £5M.
James Vaughan has again not contributed much... cev £1M.
Bily, ok has played a reasonable amount BUT isn't a first team regular... cev £4 or 5M.
Big Vic hasn't done a load this season... cev £2M.
Johnny Hettinga HAS played this season but we could probably sell for £4 or 5M and he isn't a first team regular.
So... if we sell that lot, we get approx £19-23M and we haven't lost one first-team regular.
Now this is where Moyes's transfer market skill comes in, he'll have to get a least 1 centre back, 1 midfielder and say 2 strikers for around £14M (let's assume our Bill Kenwright takes £5M towards the debt).
If Moyesie can pick a few gems from either lower leagues, Scandanavia, Africa or South America... maybe even the US, it's possible we don't have to sell Baines, Fella or Rodders...
It's possible...
Rodders will still have 4 years left on his contract. He will be next seasons bail out !!!!
I was elated when they left... wasn't impressed in the slightest with either of them.
I am of the opinion that Kenwright has 3/4 months to sell the club, before the summer's transfer period, the prospect of new owners and investment then may sway any player who has doubts about the club's ambition to win trophies ? and that's what it's all about if you are a player.
Remember, we are Everton Football Club, the likelihood is we will take £15mill for Rodwell and £15mill for Fellaini. These £20mill+ offers are just pipedreams.Please don't think I believe they are not worth it, as I think we should be demanding a king's ransom for our gold. Unfortunately, we can't negotiate for toffee and seem happy to grab any cash offer we can.
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