A club in crisis!

Or are you suggesting that it's Moyes that is keeping the wolves from the door... that's not very logical if he is stale and negligent.

BK surely knows there is a part of the fan base that is against him and his regime? That he cannot continue... but the same fans are too afraid that if they 'somehow' managed to do the impossible and get rid of BK, Moyes would also walk out the door too, which imo is part of the reason why they haven't really tried their hardest to get rid of BK.

It might seem illogical and probably is but it's my belief that Moyes is indeed keeping the Wolves away... coz I do believe with him gone, BK would have no one to defend his actions and he'd be turfed out too.

Under Moyes, I remember a semi-final against Chelski which ranks alongside that, a 6-1 drubbing on opening day by Arsenal, a 4-1 defeat by Blackburn in the cup, battered by Dinamo Bucharest 5-1, humiliated by West Brom 4-0, Newcastle beating us 6-2....... the list goes on and on.

For the short term, Everton will be happy and most likely will be budgeting each year to finish between 8-10th, anything else will be a bonus. Man City's spending power and the sound business model of Spurs means that Everton realistically have no chance. Add to that the Shite who will slowly improve... it'll be forever difficult finishing in the top 6 let alone 4th.

On the other hand, I share Alan's gist that we should be taking a serious tilt at the FA Cup.

I would challenge Round to tick what boxes he deems Victor to be good at: Ball Control. Goal scoring. Heading ability, Attitude. Workrate...

If a coach's main job is to improve the skill of players, why has Round been patently incapable of improving by a factor of one, any of Victor's above-mentioned weaknesses? I would then challenge Moyes to explain why he thought Victor was worthy of a new 4½-year contract.

The stability/mediocrity [delete as applicable] afforded by Moyes's consistent league finishes mean the Board's approach hasn't yet resulted in a real crisis. Perhaps it will take a crisis such as relegation to force the changes necessary in the Boardroom; otherwise, I fear we'll continue to stagnate.

I cannot for the life of me believe that we have no money at all... FFS, the fans turn up rain or shine and we are still in the Premier League. We loan OUT to lower the wage bill and I will not accept any other reason for a full team of players being absent. We seem to trot out the same old players, week-in and week-out; our playing format and style is obvious and limited.

None of this is down to any players on the books, they are just not good enough to be any higher in the league and DM is the Old Mother Hubbard of the division...

MISMANAGEMENT is the cause of our dilemma ? otherwise we would not have allowed a situation where Gosling left on a free and Pienaar left for peanuts (pardon my pun)... Unless a budget is provided for BUYING players, we are doomed to continue to wallow in mediocrity and hope to avoid relegation!!!

I just don't feel that David Moyes has it in him to change, he's not a new or young manager anymore. I'm not saying he's the man we must have, but I'm impressed with Eddie Howe at Burnley, I work in Burnley, and there is a feel good factor back at the club.

There are many teams below us with better strikers... if you need me to list them then I will, but just take the blue-tinted specs off and look closer at what we have... but for Pienaar when Arteta was out and latterly the re-emergence of Osman, we would be in a terrible mess. Our bench is very weak so we have no decent alternatives.

Then look at the prices payed for the players, Bent £24m, Gyan £12m, both bought in by there clubs when Everton spent nothing on a lad from League 1.

I would also say that if he could be kept fit Saha (who again cost nothing) is a better player than any of these so therefore we do have the quality; it's the depth of quality we don't have. But that is the case with every other squad in the league except for about 4-5 clubs.

We have a manger and a chairman who get on well, who show incredible loyalty to one another, and who are indelibly linked. Kenwright has a manager who will keep him out of shit and Moyes has a chairman who pays him a huge salary and will never sack him. In my view, their joint position is rock solid. There is absolutely no way for dissident supporters to go.

This is it: we can moan on this site... some may not renew their season tickets... but nothing will change.

The media and many Evertonians see us as the best of the rest. Something must change and I believe a gamble is necessary. If David Moyes were to go in the summer, of his on volition, and with the blessing of Evertonians, I believe it is our only chance of ending the gradual decline that Kenwright has overseen.

His problem is that he can't make us a great team rather than a good one. We've drawn with Chelsea, and Spurs away. We've beaten Man City away. We were unlucky to lose to Arsenal twice. We've beaten Liverpool at least. West Ham are in crisis; we just have a few problems.

There is only so much crap a person can put up with... then again, his £65k a week does amount to a hell of a lot of crap putting up with.

I'd say changing managers would give us about a 15-20% chance of improving but also probably a 40-50% chance of getting worse. I'm not sure if I'd trust the board to pick the better manager. They'd more than likely pick the worse one.

However, it is his fault that we have no Plan B and that is for me the biggest let down this season. We didn't try to move on to a better style but we were not to know that Saha would go so long playing like, well, a bit of a useless plonker.

Crisis? We are not at the end of the road, but most of us can see the cliff that is approaching and are naturally concerned. For me Moyes needs to become a great manager to get us back to where we all want to be and, quite frankly, I can't see him making that step. His obvious flaws are the lack of tactical awareness and lack of belief in giving it a go. We are far better than Blackpool, man for man, and should really try to play in the same manner, using our superior ability to go for the jugular. If it's not working, then Plan B is the fallback but not the norm.

I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've gone into the last 10 minutes of a game able to relax and enjoy. The players consistently seem to lack belief in themselves and their ability to beat the opposition.

Our striker who cost money (a lot) is on loan at Leicester to get him off the wage bill!! At least it keeps him away from inevitable abuse... I reckon he is where he belongs!!

Our best striker is fragile and can only play half a season at most. The rest of what we have are not up to scratch and hardly ever complete a full game.

Its not just the few strikers mentioned above that our better than our lot...Teams like Bolton, Villa, Fulham, WBA et cetera all have better strikers and wingers better than we have... But that's my opinion!!!

It's the usual negative Moyes is crap stuff so why don't these people suggest who they would like as manager....

The whole game is about opinions, and you have stated yours here (on a number of occasions, and forcibly), all I would like is you to explain them?

The teams below us often have worse defences so even if they have scored they've not been able to win the game or achieve the amount of draws Everton have. Don't forget, if it wasn't for Cahill at the start of the season, we would have been well and truly fucked on the goals side of things. Saha hadn't scored for a year before he got going this season.

The problem with Kenwright is that he remains on the periphery of his wealthy circle of friends ?the likes of Philip Green, Amanda Stavely, Michael Winner et al ? and, given the fact that we are potless, there is unlikely to be any major investment in Everton in the foreseable future.

The interesting fact is that Amanda Stavely brokered the deal for the sale of Manchester City to the arabs, I presume the enabling factor for this was based upon the collateral within Eastlands which City continue to lease / buy from the City of Manchester Council.

Maybe that might not happen. Perhaps a new coach would come in and,say, decide that our pre-season has been unproductive in past years and may well try something different.

He may well decide that the team lacks steel. Perhaps he may feel that Yakubu is better than Anichebe.

Someone made the very pertinent point on another thread that maybe making a club safe and operating on a small budget is what David Moyes does best. The club is going nowhere right now. Maybe we should not be careful what we wish for.

We had Barton, Baines and Jagielka on the books and let them all go to be developed elsewhere... we then paid very good money for two of the players to return.

It seems to me that our scouting and coaching systems are pretty poor when you consider the 'finds' made by all the lesser clubs, eg, Wigan, Blackburn and even Blackpool. Wigan have made a lot of money out of finding then selling foreign players.

Maybe I am being over critical but I really don't see that many succesful acquisitions when biggish money is spent... I think that DM has got together a very workmanlike set of defenders but he has really struggled to bring in decent forwards. We have certainly not improved our striking options since getting rid of Johnson and Beattie and we still don't have a 'real' wide forward eg; Etherington, Downing, Duff etc etc... also all playing for lower clubs.

I just think that if our scouts were any good we should have acquired a wide player of decent level and a good striking partnership. Luckily our defence is as good as any!

It's well known that Moyes is too fiery for his own good... he falls out with players and keeps them on the sidelines when we actually need them on the pitch, just so he can assert his authority. His attitude is: "Fuck the team, you ain't playing, sunshine." Which is detrimental to the team he is supposed to managing and trying to help achieve results. Micromanagement of players in my opinion should be left to someone else if this is the same attitude he displays with everyone in the first team who happens to disagree with him.

Tactically, the man is baffling... we'd win more games if he would only watch back matches we'd played and learn from them. Again, that as nothing to do with money; it's his ability to coach / train and turn out results with what he has available... which I firmly believe he is incapable off.

Funny how, with a full squad at his disposal, he is completely cluless on what to do and who to name and where to put them... but, once the team ends up with bare bones and 9 first team players are injured, we are suddenly turning in results ? to me, that says enough is enough.

We should strive for better and not sit on our proud laurels thinking, "This is all we got and if we change we'd go down." 13 points separates us from relegation right now. In a league where picking up points this season should have been a formality, it's the Manager's job to motivate his players; if they aren't motivated at the start of the season... sorry, but that does fall on the manager's job and the coaching team to a lesser extent.

He is stale. This current team is stale with aging players.

Personally I think there is a case for replacing Moyes with a manager more prepared to attack and throw caution to the wind. We may lose some of the games in which we currently grind out a 0-0. However we would be more likely to win games against inferior opposition (which all too often has not happened this season).

My concern is the constant trotting out of same old same old faces being played wherever there is a vacancy in the side, whether its in the same position or not. If we don't shake the squad up in the close season then I think we will have problems!!