Moyes puts off contract decison

If you don't think this will do damage to the club, you are kidding yourselves.

It gives any player who wants to leave a free get out of jail card – you would think he had the record of Fergie the way he is holding out.

I really cannot think of another manager except Ferguson who holds so much sway at a club – another shambles I'm afraid.

The board need to tell him "Let us know or do one so we can start hunting for a replacement." One minute he's praising Bill, the next he's leaving us in limbo, believing his and the outsider hype if you ask me.

BK can I borrow money against next years TV revenue to inject some life into our assault on CL qualification ?
Bank: Is the manager going to sign his contract?
BK - Oh Yeah sure Davey's a great guy, he wouldn't let me down, we have a super relationship.

Bank: Who will you have in charge come the start of next season, if he doesn't sign?
BK: I don't have to think about that right now do I, I mean you're just talking hypothetically right?
Bank: Sorry Mr Kenwright we need more than what you've given us and I'm afraid we can't sanction the loan, perhaps you could come back when the future's a little less clouded.

David Moyes won't decide, because he doesn't have to, he can wait to see if we qualify for CL and he can also better decide at the end of the season which other clubs have qualified for CL, allowing for unforeseen events like Arsenal winning the CL and 4th spot missing out, which could happen to be Chelsea.

So when the ST holders are asked to purchase their tickets at early bird rates, or even afterwards, they will have no better idea of who will manage the club come August. That in my opinion is a terrible state of affairs.

Yes! I can see why the rest of the PL are envious of how this club is run — Not!

Blame the board if you want — they have a lot to shoulder.

IMHO, that's it — he has already decided to go but won't confirm it yet. Another £1m or so to get before the end of the season I guess.

Another fuck up by Kenwright — the list never ends!

No employee is ever irreplaceable or indeed should be. I think we should all be aware though that he will be a difficult act to follow in terms of consistent league position, mainly because I can't think of anyone who has a comparable or better record outside of the big hitters who will always follow the money which we ain't got.

I am not expecting him to change his personality; he is who he is and he has never been any different and generally the teams he has put out have been a reflection of that personality and generally it has not been good to watch. Maybe, if we accept that until finances allow us to build a team that can challenge for the top, we just employ a manager that can keep us comfortably in the Premier League but playing with flair so at least it is good to watch.

Whoever we get or if DM stays, the key to success is cash and I am afraid that the odd foray by lesser clubs in cup competitions is no yard stick to measure against as I suspect that both Bradford and Swansea would swap an odd appearance at Wembley for almost nailed on security in the Premier League in a heart beat.

The rumour from the lad, whose mate is apparently in the know, has said Fer has only 25% of his meniscus left, that's why the deal was structured differently. I wonder if we will ever find out the truth?

"So when the ST holders are asked to purchase their tickets at early bird rates, or even afterwards, they will have no better idea of who will manage the club come August. That in my opinion is a terrible state of affairs." — How so, the majority on this site want him gone, so not knowing if he will be here or not next season will hold absolutely no fear for them... unless he signs before the early bird deadline.

What's scandalous, Barry?

At least you can't accuse the board of being slow to reap the financial rewards that the 'early bird' deal brings for the club (sarcasm). If only they were as on the ball with everything else.

Now the board could tell him that they are not prepared to wait till the summer for an answer. They could tell him he either agrees a new contract by the end of March or they will look for a replacement.

But if you do that then you have to be prepared for him to say well if you are forcing my hand then I wont be staying, and he might suggest that it would be better if he left immediately. Which would probably spark a number of players also deciding the time was right for them to move. No not ideal but a scenario we may be faced with.

As for the banks, you say they don't care about who manages the club — I think they care because Everton FC don't have the proverbial pot to piss in, and David Moyes's record in the transfer market is a major part of how Everton FC operate; in that respect, he is a major asset to the club. He has been careful and relatively undemanding with regards to money for the squad. Banks don't like uncertainty and we could be in a state of flux for a prolonged period of time.

Yes, the Sky money will be there next season, but a large proportion of that is probably already earmarked to pay the squads wages for 2013-14. Also, if the new manager had a mare and Everton FC had to sack him, then compensation would have to be paid out, a cost we haven't had to incur in the previous 10 years.

Whether fans are in favour of DM staying or going isn't the point; the point is that a strong board with an eye on the future wouldn't have allowed DM to be holding all the cards at such a late stage in proceedings. If Baines or Fellaini were allowed to run down their contract, all hell would break lose, because the club and manager had failed to anticipate losing a major star and had gained no financial recompense.

Let's hope the negativity that's gathering momentum is stopped soon or similar will probably happen again.

I don't think it hinges on one player leaving or going. He said he would decide after the January transfer window now that is over he is saying after the season ends. I think he is only trying to avoid disrupting the team but I think this will anyway.

Thanks for the memories, Davey — just do us all a favour and take the bullshitter Kenwright with you!

Good luck to him though, he has done a really good job in really bad circumstances for the club. Who to replace him?

Please enlighten us as to what is really the truth.

What is this "holistic" approach we must take into consideration.

Don't disappoint us all now — the ignorant amongst us expect a little more than a primary school debating level of "The other teams have better players."

Mike, give him £30m? I wouldn't trust him with £30 to go down to the corner shop.

But it's not an ideal situation for the club and Moyes wouldn't be pleased with a player constantly delaying signing a new deal. Still, it is what it is and actually it feels very clear now. Get 4th or I'm off.

He's kept us mid-table and flirted with glory but I remember when that was just not good enough for Everton. If John Moores were alive and still Chairman, Davey would have had his taxi ride years ago.

Absolutely no doubt he has done a fantastic job for us on many fronts. But if by him going it was the catalyst for major change at our club, hopefully for the better of course, then that is a chance that I would be happy to take.

Never promised anything in January.

I would like a new manager anyway as David Moyes made me realise he was looking for another option last season with his skirting around the Spurs job when asked about it.

He's taking the piss now!! if we win the FA Cup, which is unlikely (although obviously I'd love us to) or qualify for the Champions League, I seriously don't think so!! So that leaves a top five finish which I also don't think we will get.

As for all the blame lying with the board and chairman what about looking at this god-like figure, Moyes, who has had 10 years with us now, who is laughing all the way to the bank,

Moyes knew he would never have miliions to spend year after year and, yes, he has made some absolute brilliant signings... but he's also made signings that he has destroyed himself with his negative tactics and lack of attacking mentality!!

It's time for change at the end of the season. I wouldn't trust Moyes's tactics if he did stay and was giving a £100m war chest in the summer — he's never going to win at Anfield or Old Trafford, he pays these teams too much respect!!

Moyes is so dour and arrogant and every interview is a joke — the press cant ask him anything!!

Great way to inspire the team in a crucial run in Davey – I'm sure stars will be forgiven adopting the same mentality? Top down leadership as they say...

Who will be the new manager, though? That's the question. Moyes has done as well as a manager can with so little ownership ambition. Can the next guy and who will it be?

If he stays because there is nothing out there for him, he needs to wipe out his backroom staff and bring fresh ideas in. It must be very boring for the players to come to training with his 'ye olde' tactics — no pace, players who play in different positions, etc.

I'm a Moyesist. Loved the guy. But he's gone come June and doesn't matter to me at that point. Nothing against him, but I'm more concerned with what comes next with Everton, not a former manager.

Advertise the manager's job now & ask for written applications; Job to commence day after his contract expires.

Applications to be received by 31 March – if he does not apply then we know he's off & can start looking for someone else.

We now have the catch 22...if we win a cup he stays, if we are in Europe he stays, putting massive pressure on the players to succeed and walking if they don't. Moyes' tactics will have been as much to blame should we not "succeed" this season but he'l walk away blameless if the scenarios don't suit him ?

Totally unsettling for all concerned and bound to affect team performances badly.

I also agree with those saying that Kenwright should never have allowed this state of affairs to occur.

Sod them all let him walk and see how well he does elsewhere. Everton are bigger than any one manager or player, or Chairman come to that.

He's been here eleven years and if he wants more time to deliberate, then fine.

If I was him & felt this way, then I too wouldn't want the parasitical journo's hounding me for an answer every week.

I'm also much happier to have him concentrate on the team, rather than him being the story..

This way he walks and we don't get a penny! He wouldn't like it if one of the players came out and said he was waiting to see what happens before signing a new contract....

Or perhaps the decision has already been made but it has to be kept reasonably private until the end of season so as not to upset our good run of form!!!

OK, time to forget this annoying situation and get behind the boys tomorrow and hope we give Oldham a tanking to cheer us up!

Man U, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Newcastle all possessed greatly superior spending power during his time at Goodison Park.

The board run the club and they would sack him if they had given him pots of money and he failed to deliver.
I worked for years on contract for different company,s abroad and to my mind DM has done everything he could to earn his wages.
He has consistently kept the club in the top ten and spent far less than has been earned in transfers and loans out.
This board are only interested in premiership survival and when one article writer mention John Moores I had to laugh because this man spent lots of money in creating title and cup winning teams.

The blame for the shortfall in success for so many seasons should be directed where it belongs....THE BOARD !!

Moyes has his best and most entertaining first eleven and naturally wants to push on and fulfill the trophy dreams of the players and fans.
He has been completely let down by this boards lack of support during this transfer window.
The fans should be angry, but it should be directed at the board.
They are all millionnaires and still they do not support their manager when the club has the makings of success.
Im disgusted...At the board.

Kevin@489: "If we get beat tomorrow, I want him gone by Monday."

Well, good thing you're not running the club. Putting a manager's 10-year tenure down to a single match. Pathetic. I have no doubt you would be as trigger happy with managers as Roman Abramovich. You're shallow and fickle.

It is sad that is has to come to this, but perhaps Moyes should leave just so Toffee fans realize how good they had it. It is apparent he will not be truly appreciated until he is gone.

I can't remember him promising to resolve anything in January either. Have a look at where we are and talk to the chairman maybe.

I can't believe he's stayed this long to be honest. I'd have fucked off from these clowns years ago.

There's loads of managers out there who could do a better job than Moyes.

Just a little trust in our wonderful chairman to get the right man.

If it says he has to give one months notice (or 2 or 3 or 4) then that's what he has to do. Even if his contract is set to expire he should still give notice that he does not intend to renew it to enable his employers to find a replacement.

There may even be a clause requiring negotiations on a new contract to begin at a set period before expiry of the contract just to make sure a deal is in place in time, and if not a replacement an be found.

So if the guy is just abiding by the terms of his contract you can't blame him for doing so.

If he does go the only manager I can get excited about is Roberto Martinez. He's used to working on a much smaller budget, gets the most out of his players, and can get his teams playing pretty football.

I can't believe there are so many Moyes haters out there.

The man was obviously lied to on numerous occasions by his boss about the amount of money that would be avalible to him to streghen the squad.

I think he will be very hard ro replace...
sad times when he walks out that door!
Im confident baines will go with him, maybe even fella.

The first half of this season was the peak of any moyes team.
I think he knows that was it... that was the best he could get outa them.
Now instead of having no money to strenghen the squad, he now has no money to replace and keep an aging squad at this level.

We all know we need a striker.. but in another season we will also need to start thinking about replacing howard, distan, neville, ossie, jags, pienaar

Totally agree.

I think the January window effort was a fiasco aimed at placating Moyes to persuade him to stay.

I think he has said privately to Kenwright that the squad was inadequate and he is fed up taking all the flak and BTW doing all the work.

He is doing the honorable thing by seeing out his contract while not publicly announcing he is going.

We have never had a more principled and dignified manager and supporters would do well to remember that..

Fans have advocated Paul Lambert, Brenda, Roberto Martinez etc but not one of them could hold a candle to Moyes IMO.

You only have to listen to the players who all praise Moyes ethics and workrate.

We should be grateful for what he has made Everton on a comparative shoestring not be directing venomous comments at him.

Exactly how & why would it be a problem..?

If Moyes walked in the summer, the board would have weeks to line up a suitable replacement, for what would be, thanks entirely to Moyes himself, one of the most coveted jobs in the country.

Part of me wouldn't blame him for walking because how many times was he hung out to dry in consecutive transfer windows? That must have been so frustrating But the other part of me says, "Well, where's he going?" — because there's not a prayer he ll get a top job. The likes of Villa and Newcastle would take him in a heartbeat but I can't think of one top side in this country who would.

I think he knows given the depth of our squad there's not an earthly 4th is available. And as for the cup, recent history (Pompey aside) will tell you that solely belongs to the big boys — even if we go through tomorrow. Look who's still left in: Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea. Would anyone honestly fancy us beating one of them... even in a semi? Nah, thought not.

So it looks like bye-bye... I'd like to say thanks for all the memories but, quite honestly, there haven't been that many.

Under the current board we are totally fucked and most of us know that

Its clear to me that Old Bluey Bill wont be enjoying his fish and chips tonight as Moyes has saved his arse on a number of occasions

If he goes I will be very sad but maybe then the board might actually be forced to do something

Looking at the situation objectively, (which is very hard) I can see that it's not very often that a manager of any football club is given an opportunity to reach the end of their contract, especially in this day and age. David Moyes will point to the fact that he did not walk away from anything and that he fulfilled his contract and as such should be allowed to walk away with his head held high and his dignity intact. It wouldn't surprise me if there was some form of privacy agreement between Moyes and the board so we'll never really know the ins and outs of his negotiations and dealings with the board anyway!

For me though, the whole sorry saga stinks. David Moyes would have known his budget for the entire season LAST SUMMER. The whole theory that he was waiting until January was out of the way is a mute point. He'd have known last year what he was getting to spend and what was available to him. The fact he is now saying that whether he signs his next contract depends on what HIS team can produce over the next 12-14 weeks is ridiculous!

We need to get used to the idea of Everton having a new manager in place next season. It is a sad thought for me personally as I think that some other club will reap the benefits of what David Moyes has learned in his time here. Alternatively, he'll make the same mistakes again, be too negative, and get sacked within 12 months and be back here with his mate Bill Kenwright after Big Sam narrowly avoids taking us into the Championship!

Can't blame him for leaving and this response to the press is indicative of the man, honest and straightforward.

What a load of bollocks, he is believing his own publicity. Top 4 club for him? Not a chance.

I think he will sign his contract, but I am whole heartedly hoping he doesn't. The sooner he fucks right off, the better!

There is NO other job in world football where the manager can earn so much, and be under no pressure to actually win something, or get into the C.L.

You get £3m per season, £63m to spend on squad wages, a team full of Internationals on 50-75k a week, and complete authority on football matters. Your only brief is top half finish, or even just keep us in the League.

Where do I apply?

There clearly isn't money to put together any kind of attractive compensation to other clubs for their managers, so that rules out Martinez, Poyet etc, so we are then left to look at out-of-work managers. Mark Hughes, Alan Curbishley, David O'Leary, Paul Ince, Roy Keane???

Yet it seems a majority of posters to ToffeeWeb, in some sort of warped, historical rose-tinted view of football, believe because Everton won a few leagues and cups 25 years ago, whoever strolls through the door come June/July is going to achieve what Moyes hasn't in 10 years and win a trophy with no money against the spending power of the likes of the Manchester clubs, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea??

Only time will tell us how good Moyes and the side he has built was and indeed is... but whoever takes over will be going some to average 6th place finishes over the next 5 seasons with next to no financial backing from the board.

For my money, Moyes is absolutely right to now say he will wait to see how we do before he decides. For all those who have said in the past that Moyes has failed to speak out about lack of investment – well now you have it – that's exactly what he's doing by any other name!

"Moyes?? ...noooo he wouldn't do that"

Dreadful really; it'll all end in boos now, should have manned up and said - cup,4th or whatever it is - or he's away.

Dithering to the end will see him off.

My worry is David leaves for a chance to win something; I can't blame him, he has been brilliant, but who does soft arse replace him with??? Exactly, no top manager is gonna come in with no transfer pot so where do we go??

Yes, guys, you got it: Stubbs, Irvine and Big Dunc, with BK spouting their Everton history.

I really hope he gets a job at a club with shit loads of money so we can finally put to bed what I've always known (he's not a winner). What the board need to do is identify a manager NOW and contact that person as soon as possible. Laudrup is that man in my opinion.

Well, I don't believe that for one minute. Who would have mentioned Laudrup even 18 months ago?

I believe Solksjaer is earning rave reviews though. He's taken a team in Norway, who had never won a League title, and is now on the cusp of winning it for the third time on the bounce.

Really, people need to ask themselves who was David Moyes before we made him?

Nobody should be judged on their first season.

We may have given him an opportunity but his repuatation especially among his peer group was mad by his own efforts.

Solskaer is rated but unproven but thats hardly a long list.

I personally rate Nigel Adkins and Brian McDermott but whether they would improve on Moysey is open to debate.

Very few foreign coaches have any success at the top of the Premiership with Mourhino probably the only exception.

I like what Laudrup has done at Swansea but even they are falling away a little now.

Moyes has proved he is a Marathon man not a sprinter and that is the difficulty in finding an adequate replacement.

I understand your comparison with Martin Oneill but Moyes consistently finished above Oneill on a much smaller budget.

There were not "a few seasons under Moyes when we could have gone down".

We finished 17th one season and IMO were never in danger of going down unlike the previous management where we were consistently relegation fodder.

If you give Moyes no credit at least acknowledge that he has improved our league status significantly with fairly consistent top 6 finishes.

Mancini, Moyes, Wegner, avb for a period, Brendon, pardew, lambert, Benitez, is a fair list.

Why would he want to manage in the SPL? There's no money in that to buy top players. He would win something though due to there only being one decent team in the league. Probably the only way that he would win something. Mmm, come to think off it, Celtic is the place for him!

All the other jobs in the EPL are no better than he has got and don't provide the job security that he has at Everton. He is probably just waiting to see if by chance one of the money clubs do offload there manager and come in for him. Keeping his options open, just in case. If nothing happens he'll sign again and then we can all look forward to more off the usual. He'd be great at Celtic.

New manager- "What vision does the board have for the future of the club ?

BK- " Look son, just keep us in the prem. That's all I ask and I don't care what position either, just don't take us down."

New manager- "But what about funds to build a succesfull winning team, what's available ?

BK- " Look son ! I didn't stand in the boys pen to hear that kind of talk. Blah,blah blah.........

Door slams shut as BK is in full nostalgia mode.

I would very surprised he left to be honest.

Sheikh - David, what are your plans for Tevez?

DM - I think he'll make a great CB.

Sheikh - What about Dzeko?

DM - He looks like a natural defender to me. Could be a useful RB.

Sheik - Ok, ermmmm , if I gave you 200m to buy your dream player who would you buy to improve the squad? Ronaldo? Messi? Bale?

DM - Och, Phil Neville without a doubt. He's the player you are missing. I might be able to get Faddy back as well if you've got any money left your sheikness.

A chairman who sees forty points as doing the business.The admiration of his peers. A media that is mostly lazy and which buys the Moyes myth and worst of all a huge amount of Evertonians who endorse the Moyes myth. Add to that a hugely inflated salary. If Moyes goes it will be downhill all the way for him.

How can anyone know that we could not have done better over the last few years? There will be life after Moyes and it might be much better. Moyes plays too often with fear and he has passed it on to some Evertonians.

Bill however is probably thinking "Brilliant. Get a cheap manager in on Aug 31st and then no transfer funds need to be spent!"

There are loads of good managers about who have never been given a chance to manage a Premier League team. Moyes only came from Preston — not Real Madrid!

"You all whine and moan about how much you hate him as a manager and now that he has one foot out the door you still find a reason to complain. What a bunch of babies".

All?

Behave yourself, many (like me) genuinely won't give a flying fuck if he has all his feet out the door.

But...this isn't the point.

The anger is not him going, but HOW (when/if) he's going.

Two different things entirely.

I have no problem with him waiting until the end of the season to make his decision, but ONLY if he keeps his trap shut and doesn't say "I'll tell you in January".

Anyone who believes his statement is in no way unsettling is, imo, incredibly naive.

Absolute bollocks.

Comments on this site just get worse.

1-0 up in the F A Cup final.

Is that not threatening?

They have David at 2/5 to stay.

You can get 8/1 that he is the manager of ANY other club at the start of next season.

Bilic for me. He's got a big personality, and that will be needed after such an influential manager leaves the club.

Mind you, if the new Leeds manager is Moyes, he won't play him

Eventually the two managers could be embarrassingly caught on CCTV arguing and saying things like..

"He's YOUR player now soft-arse!"

And "Is he fuck - YOU loaned him out lad!"

Not likely though.

He has shat on our season by coming out with this bollocks, he may as well have said "I might stay, I might not, if the players fuck up I'm deffo off". Yet again he's undermined our season with his attitude, like when he fucking sulked for months last time and the negativity seeped through to the team.

Personally, I've had enough. Fucking go now for all I care, we probably won't win fuck all if you go but nor will we if you stay. This Everton team ALWAYS chokes when it matters with Moyes at the helm. FA Cup semi final last year was the nail in the coffin for me, this posturing now is just the final nail in the coffin.

Shut the door on your way out, ingrate.

Moyes is telling the board to go fuck themselves, and I don't blame him. Whatever you think of Moyes, how can any manager with ambition be expected to work with a bunch of doe boys. The January transfer window was the last straw. Okay, our chances of finishing fourth were always slim, but we all knew that to compete we needed new faces. Backup in key positions. The board left it too late. They fucked us all over, including Moyes.

Aug 2012
Moyes – Hiya Bill, why have we just sold Rodders to City for £18m
Kenwright – to give you your £10m + another £5m, how do you like that Davey
Moyes - that’s marvellous Bill, many thanks

January 2013
Moyes – Any chance for another £10m Bill, I can sense 3rd or 4th place on the horizon
Kenwright – that’s marvellous Davey, I’ll get it on Jan 31st, is that ok
Moyes – nae problem Bill , I got my eye on a cracking Dutch lad, a few soundings say all ours for £10m
Kenwright – just watch me get him for £8m on last day Davey , its all about negotiating

Feb 2013
Moyes – Did we get the lad last minute Bill
Kenwright – just missed him Davey but we did agree £8m, what did I tell you
Moyes – cracking chairman your are Bill
Moyes – by the way Bill how has all the other teams done
Kenwright – well Davey, they’ve paid over the odd all of them, except Laudrup, who is your replacement by the way Davey if you don’t get us into the CL with all the money you’ve had.

Nett Purchases 2012/13 Season -:
Arsenal £9m, Villa 24, Chelsea 72, Fulham -10, Liverpool 41, Man C 14, Man U 36, New 13, Norw 9
QPR 39, Reading 6, Southampton 33, Stoke 21, Sund 18, Swan -3, Spurs 0, WBA 0, West H 19,
Wigan -2, EVERTON £-2m
• Spurs spent £62m but recouped £62 , WBA spent £4m , recouped £4m
• Southampton had a £16m offer for some Spanish lad turned down on Jan 31st

So for all to see Everton real big push for CL was done by spending £16m recouping £18m, thank you very Bill

Feb 2013
Moyes – if you don’t mind Bill I’ll wait until the season’s finished before I decide what to do.
Kenwright – ok Davey, did you see what Michael done at Swansea, bloody marvellous.

It would be good if Kenwright didn't even bother discussing a contract with him and got us in a manager with an appetite for taking us forward with the budget we have rather than blackmailing the club to go further into debt.

I'm now groping down the back of the settee (note settee rather than sofa, as we are well posh in Birkenhead).

Paul Daniels anyone?

If I had Rooney, Rvp, welbeck, and Hernandez, I think I might be prepared to play 2 up top.

Advertising yourself surreptitiously on telly with impunity is a first as far as I know.

I'm a big moyes fan but I would be interested to see a new man at the helm...and how quickly the MOB will be baying for his blood too!

Laudrup for me. Good football. Good European player knowledge. Good hair.

In my opinion Moyes has a bit of an ego because I can't see a lot of teams wanting him and he will never find a club and chairman who will put up with his negativity like we have. He may end up at at another club in England or in Germany, but where ever he lands he'll be sacked within 2-3 seasons.

I don't want us to slide. But I recognise he has the right to do what he's doing. None of us is going to change that. So I just accept it and get on with life.

Moyes doesn't owe us anything, he is not an Evertonian but has given a huge chunk of his career to Everton and has probably been held back. It is a huge decision which he needs to think long and hard about which I don't blame him for. Like Baines and Fellaini, they deserve the chance to see if they can win something elsewhere for their efforts and loyalty.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21530592/KEIOC-A3-Appendices

Moyes is showing Evertonians real respect with this business isn't he?

As for the rest of the tripe, you want to give your head a shake.

You should be happy about all this because you will likley get your way and see Moyes out the door.

What has that got to do with Moyes being Bullshitted by Kenwright?

For Moyes Decade he's been set up for life - he could probably rescue EFC financially - hardly missionary work.

If he does go at least the stranglehold betwixt him and Kenwright on the club will be broken - something had to give sometime couldn't carry on year after year "challenging for europe" or whatever euphemism passes for success these days.

Barry, that's life, full stop, not just for that bearings company. This is football, world level at that (so?). Advertising yourself does go on in the real world, Barry. We've probably most of us done it - though not through the medium of TV as we don't have ready access to that. But we use whatever means we have at our disposal to further our own interests. That's life.

We are now utterly unrecognisable from the rag-bag, terrible state he inherited.

Well-paid, dour, trophy-less, sure; But the man's devoted over a decade of his life striving to give us a football club we can be proud of.

Show a little grace for God's sake.

He has 2 options and each option is has as many variables as you can imagine.

He can Stay - fill in a set of variables of your choice...Bill is not going to sack him.

He can go - fill in a set of variables of your choice.

We may get hints, we may read into this or that news item what we want and draw conlusions.

We will find out in June...or maybe July.

I don't think he knows himself yet;

The wheels still in spin,

and there's no tellin who it is naming,

For the loser now will be later to win,

For the times they are a changin

Does anyone really think whether we win the FA Cup or get into the Europa League will make any difference to how much money will be available for transfers?

I don't think that even getting fourth would mean any serious investment as it could all still go tits up if we didn't get to the competition proper, so it is 'as you were' unless we claw our way up to third (no, I don't think we will either!).

So is this brinkmanship, keeping options only, or the usual misrepresentation to save Bill from the exposure to public scrutiny that he probably deserves?

Moyes has had less money to purchase players with relatively speaking.

But some people think he should go?

Without him get used to us being a midtable, lower table side.

Can't wait.

Idiots.

You are an intelligent guy but your comment about us not beating the Top 4 away...

MANCHESTER CITY!!!!!????

Behave! They're the champions!

If he goes, good luck. He has left the team on the pitch in a better state than when he arrived and at least challenged for a cup, only joe Royle has done that in the last 25 years.

Why do you think Poyet or Di Matteo would not want the job?

Nothing can be further done to help the club, us, the team/manager (again, any manager) until the chief culpable culprit Kenwright has been either bought out or in my opinion implodes under the ever looming groundhog daying hand of the financial inevitable.

It is my opinion that the rest of the board who of course are well known to have resources among them to be able to buy and sell the chairmen of other top four clubs, do not want Kenwright in charge. Bill Kenwright bought (into) this club with basically, in this day an age of big money, for two bob. And worst of all, as the majority shareholder.

I am convinced now that this board and a few peripheral acolytes want him out. The trouble has been (regardless of missed opurtune offers in the past, I might add) that he is only being offered his coin back by the board... so he, via his insurmountable list of accrued financial loans (ie, debts) has been hoping Moyes will pull him out of his hole by a high-flying CL place. Then, hopefully find another big buyer to get the real deal.

This all adds up (in my opinion) to the entrenched stalemate we've got right here and right now.

Our only hope to end this?.... (again imo) ...Our getting off our fucking aarses and screaming at the bastard to Fuck Off! — instead of posting hundreds of impotent forum-based yakkety fucking yak pissed rants and boring ravings on these sites (I know, but someone had to say it)!!

ps: D'you think the Reds or the Mancs would've taken our shit for this long????

You're regulars on this site so you KNOW the four teams I'm talking about and you know that in forty attempts, we haven't won one away at these grounds.

Repeat - FORTY!

But ok, if you insist on the semantics, one of the teams is Liverpool - now a top NINE side - so it's an even worse record...isn't it?

We all know about the board's ineptitude and the history between DM & BK, I get the impression they "do get on". But with an offer he considers to be better — whatever that may be? — I think he'll go.

He's putting himself on offer, and maybe unsettling the rest of the team and even the fans to-boot.

For what it's worth, I'm excited about change. I know.... 'Be careful for what you wish for' and all that, but we have always survived and will again.

It just eats away at me that we have a manager that, if a decent offer came along, would be off like a shot.

I don't always get it right though.

Look at my post 679 for instance, though the content is spot on, I'm happy to admit it looks like it has been put together by an angry, illiterate 7 year old.

What is the point that you're making regarding those Appendixes? I'm not sure what they are attached to but all they seem to show is historical paper articles covering the various options that EFC has looked at for redeveloping or moving to a new ground. What new does it bring to the table?

You say that the club didn't strengthen when we got 4th, and you're right. However I reckon it would've taken probably £100m to get us to genuine CL contenders, given the competition.

Truth is that we took advantage of some slip up's by other teams to sneak in through some luck and very dogged 1-0 wins, but were never really good enough to qualify for the main competition or re-qualify via the league the following season.

So do you really think Kenwright should do a Leeds and give Moyes more money than the club can afford to buy the players we need to compete financially with Chelsea, Man U, Man City, Spurs RS and Arsenal?? All of whom turnover SIGNIFICANTLY more than us? What happens if we don't qualify?

I would love nothing more than for one of our directors to be charitable, put their hand in their pocket and give Moyes £30M to spend without putting that money on our balance sheet. But that isn't going to happen. Any money we spend adds to our debt level.

Directors of companies/football clubs are not responsible for propping up those companies with personal cash. They are responsible for ensuring the clubs are run well operate within their means and don't go bust. Admittedly we can say our club has been run poorly these last 25 years, but to argue that DM should be given more and more cash is completely missing the point that WE DON'T HAVE IT!

Argue that the club should generate more cash by all means, but please don't say we should spend more. We already spend about 75% of all our revenue on the playing staff.

I suspect that he will leave in the summer if we don't get champions league football and I hope he does well, but unless he moves to Celtic which is a guaranteed 1st place and champions league football, I doubt he will be a "success" anywhere else. I honestly doubt if any richer premier league clubs will touch him.

That being the case, I think the club were lucky not to spend money in January on players the new manager may not rate. I'd rather that cash be left for them to spend. As swansea and southampton have shown, there are very good young managers out there with energy who are able to play good football and compete on far less of a budget than Moyes works to.

Also, Peter (#324) has it spot on.

And it is a step up for him, because when it has come down to the big games or the big moments in games he has always been far too cautious. It also means that he takes more chances in team selection and tactics that he has in the past.

Bring on the next 12 games, it has all got very interesting..

I think he is too clever to go to Chelsea unless he is after a nice big payoff after being sacked for not winning the World Cup.

He wants 4th and if he gets it, he will stay; if not, I think the above has a good chance of happening.

Of course none of us know for sure but look at it this way: would you sign if the new owners did not want you? Of course it could work the other way if he knew he would be guaranteed investment... we can but wait!!

Of course it doesn't. That would never fit in would it?

Ray, isn't this what Fellaini is doing?

I am no big fan of Moyes, but I certainly do not think a new manager will take us to the next level.

What posters seem to forget very quickly though, is the amount of turgid football we have witnessed, and the lack of belief at some grounds.

Moyes also has some unwanted records BTW, too many to list!

He is a safety first manager, who has been allowed a pressure free 11 years at one of the biggest clubs in England, in the biggest league in the world.

As Wayne mentions above, he has had 70% of the club's turnover to spend on player wages, £63m at the last count, and complete control over all footballing matters.

A new manager may very well fail, but I personally think it will be a reasonable assumption he will easily match what Moyes has achieved, given the same resources.

I've never much liked him, but I wish him all the best if he leaves. I'd be VERY surprised if he achieved real success with a big club, though. He has too many salient shortcomings – and let's never forget: he's NEVER won anything.

Also, I think you'll find he has won something before. Don't capitalise for emphasis, especially when you're WRONG.

I would have been happy if Moyes had left in January 2012. But to give him credit he did do well in that transfer window. We started playing some good football. We then had a good transfer window in the summer. We continued to play good football through to the autumn.

I started to warm back up to Moyes, he was winning me back over. Then we enter this winter, we manage to turn quite a few wins into draws. Though to balance that we also turned a few losses into draws as well. Overall I realised that 4th place is really highly unlikely.

Which takes us to this latest announcement, its his right to not sign, nothing morally wrong with that. But the club has rights as well, we should now dismiss him, end of, no arguments. Moyes will not commit, Everton need to rebuild now, not in the summer.

We are not getting relegated this season so lets get someone in now while making mistakes is not to costly.

Of course this means this season may well be a write off, but in my opinion it already is now.

We may get the wrong manager in, we may really struggle, lots might go wrong, there is no denying that.

But in the end what choice do we have, Moyes clearly thinks he is bigger than the club now. He may be right (though I do not believe that).

We need to

"By any objective assessment.."

Obvious sleight-of-hand that means "If you disagree with me, you aren't being objective"

Bollocks!

Moving on, you say.

".. DMs time here I am fairly confident he has been more successful in terms of matches won (total or ratio), points won and average league position than most of the managers we have ever had (if someone could be arsed to analyse this good luck to them)"

You know what, you might be right, BUT if you want your post/s to have any credibility, YOU find the facts, otherwise it's completely pointless and just sounds like..

"You think this, I think the opposite...but I'm right".

Other posters by the way HAVE mentioned his results (or lack of them) - certainly those against certain teams at certain grounds.

Ignoring this and stating you're 'fairly confident he has been more successful' does you no favours.

You continue..

"You may moan about lack of style but this is pretty subjective and so it should be because football is a game that can be played in a huge variety of ways".

True, it IS subjective, but few are confused when they see intelligent, easy-on-the-eye, winning football (nb: like the stuff Everton played second half of last season and the start of this) rather than the dull/dumb/aimless/percentage hoofball that we have had to endure for much of Moyes's time.

NO Evertonians were watching us against Villa (away) this season and saying saying 'this is good but maybe a more basic approach would be better"

(nb: some would argue 'yes but we spent on decent players' which is true, but if in the past 11 years we spent on crap...well, you figure it out).

You also state "I am no appolgist for DM"

Maybe not.

But that IS what you sound like.

One man is not bigger than the club and if he doesn't want to commit himself to the club next season he say so now, or the club should force his hand. Its only 3 months to the season's end and we need time to find the right replacement, negotiate his appointment and put in place whatever plans for the summer on player recruitment / sales.

Of course, the onus will be on the revered chairman to choose the right guy but I'm sure Moysey will steer him in the right direction. How would I like the new man to differ from the present incumbent? I`d like him to smile a bit, talk the club/team up, go about the job without fear of failure and, just occasionally, take a chance with a fresh face.

But, whoever comes in, next season is unlikely to be boring, is it?

Our problem is one of finance — we don't have enough money to buy the number of players we need to improve our team enough. It will take a massive gamble to fund this experiment and our problem is that, if it didn't come off, then we will end up like Leeds. Where the sugar daddy teams score is that, if these purchases don't come off, then who cares, they just stump up another £50m for the next player.

I do however think it is a reasonable experiment to get a footballing manager in that will give us a team that is good to watch whilst targetting mid-table security and the odd cup run that, with a bit of luck, may lead to the odd cup win. But I wonder how many contributors to TW would be happy with this? That being said, there are quite a few that, it appears, would be happy enough just to see DM go.

I am in full agreement with everybody who wants the bosses at Goodison to get some kind of a decision or set a timetable that he should follow because it is their responsibility to ensure that a suitable replacement is found. It is not up to an employee to accept that responsibility and none of us would accept that in our working lives.

Then I thought about the January window and the Shenanigans that went on. I think that pissed Moyes right off and I guess he's thought "What's the fucking point, This will be the second occasion that we had a chance to get in/around the C/L and the Board pooed themselves again."

So I can't see why some fans are blaming him for waiting and seeing what occurs. In my view TFB has led everyone up the garden path for over a decade. I just think now that Moyes realises it too now.

If Moyes is humming and hahhing about going or staying, then Kenwright is the one who should get a grip and steady the ship. [Poet!!] He's the Chairman and it is his duty to ensure that another Manager is lined up, should Moyes go.

Re DM, 'being objective' means that I accept his mistakes in addition to recognising his achievements. So I accept that he has won sod all but recognise that he has consistently produced a football team that has finished higher in the Premier League on a more regular basis than his predecessors.

I accept that his character is dour and recognise that his teams have been reflection of this. I accept that he has made some howlers signing players but recognise that he has unearthed some good players.

I accept he isn't perfect but recognise that is an unrealistic expectation.

I accept that it is probably his time to go but recognise that it will be difficult to replace him with another manger that could do the same on our budget.

I accept that, no matter what I write, you will get cross and interpret it a way that will justify this aggression and I recognise that there is nothing I can do about it.

We will see who wants to pay him more than we do.

I disagree; Catterick had some great teams during his time. Moyes isn't in the same department.

He has been lied to and that is one thing that no one can call him..he is no liar !

If you stupid half wits think that any other manager in the league could do better than he has done with no financial support then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
No manager worth his salt would take the everton job.
People used to talk about O'Neil and he left Villa because he could not get more money for transfers, and he spent far more than DM.

Martinez at Wigan is in charge of a club who I used to play against non league.
Wigan have a small fan base because it is a rugby town.
Whelan does not expect anything other than finishing 4th from bottom or better.
To even mention his name is laughable.

We have a very proud heritage and a mostly loyal fan base who are supposed to strive for excellence.

THIS BOARD are letting everyone down including the fans and the manager.
The fans that write on here insulting Moyes are totally misdirecting their anger.
DM is a scapegoat for the real culprits who salt away the money, cry poverty and do absolutely nothing to improve the squad.

The loan window is open so where is OFOE or anyone else for that matter.

There is an air of uncertainty about Moyes's future now and I believe this is the main reason for our dip in form. I believe Goodison will be a poorer place without him and a new manager coming in will have the same effect as what's happening at Villa right now. We need to put pressure on him to decide his future sooner rather than later because the fans deserve more.

Okay, he does have his minority of detractors but the club put him where he is today and if this drags on any more then I believe the board should start looking for his replacement now.

After the game, a small bunch of Evertonians were gathered outside the Bloomfield Rd players entrance. Most were bent on expressing their displeasure at a truly woeful team performance plus Young's omission. A few kids had their autograph books at the ready. It was wet and blustery, the team coach was warming up and the players probably embarrassed at their performance almost bolted aboard. Harry was at the rear of them appeared to stumble then regain his balance – and THAT was all there was to it.

As an aside, the game was dominated by a tiny red-haired youth whom the locals called 'the little general'. That youngster went on to great fame; his name was Alan Ball.

I witnessed all the above. That same night, with some mates at the Blackpool Winter Gardens, we saw a lady dressed as a man pretending to be a woman who was dressed as a man singing Burlington Berty from Bow. Her name was Marie Lloyd, her act was quite bizarre – but not as much as how the media can beat up a story such as that about Catterick without anyone telling the truth.

This mysterious one foot in the bath etc we get with Moyes coming or going is fairly unique in our history. "No man is bigger than the club" is a truism, but one that seems to have little weight in an era of individual players and managers. They are suddenly gods and the football team is a platform for them to reach to the heavens.

Moyes is playing this game. I want to tell him to sign on the dotted line and fuck off at the same time. Weird times.

He always promised that he would walk if he could take us no further or if the fans made it obvious that they no longer wanted him and I think he is now keeping that promise. If he had no integrity and cared only for himself, he would sign a contract now and take the money but he isn't. He is waiting to see if he can get the team back on the track we seemed to be on earlier in the season and if he can't then I believe he will go as he said.

Rather than the ignorant nonsense that is often slung at Moyes, I think he is a man of integrity who has worked hard and well at Everton, especially in the area of his purchases, I also think he has humour and when we have clicked he has had the team playing magnificent football. What can he do when the players are off form or we are ravaged by injuries? Nothing of course, he can only do what it is humanely possible to do.

David Moyes is showing his displeasure at the lack of funds at his disposal, showing that as the team slip away from 4th place, it is not his fault, showing he needed additions to the squad.

He will remain in this deadbeat mood until the end of the season. Then he will swallow his disappointment, make a statement along the lines of "I still have work to do here" and sign an IMPROVED contract.

We packed our box instead of cutting out the crosses or trying to keep possession.

Integrity in terms of a multi millionaire simply doing a job is a huge misnomer.

Football in general smells, and I think if we knew the half that went on we'd want nothing to do with our Saturday afternoon fix.

Many of us said last year it was clear what he was up to when he wasn't in contract talks then he started telling lies about sorting it after January and now he's had to come clean.

Thinking it's acceptable to say "actually, I'm not sure...." just shows how flawed his judgement is on the big call.

Woeful stuff that will end in boos and recrimination - bloody idiot really.