From 'Moyessiah' to Pariah?

The interesting thing for me is the final paragraph of your piece, i.e. assuming the statements are actually true and are being taken as Moyes intended, then the whole thing is surely going to be counter productive to Utd/DM's aims (i.e. acquiring Baines/Fellaini at the best price). This is the thing that just doesn't ring true for me, it's all completely out of keeping with the way Utd and DM have behaved historically and I simply don't understand what they'd have to gain.

If anyone will benefit from this, it's Everton/RM/Us who'll be able to use the coverage to become outraged, close ranks and adopt a siege mentality to either keep the players or demand a LOT more for them.

I'd be happy for a straight swop for Rooney. ( I know I'm dreaming) but I would test the waters if RM.

Moyes is showing every underhand tactic there. Shame not Evertonians are losing respect for the man but many in the media and the game in general.

COYB

"Oh Davie Moyes, Davie Davie Davie Moyes....."

nah, perhaps not. I stopped singing that particular song after he had a go at us supporters after the Tottenham home game and his 'negative' substitutions. Right then I thought.... "Erm, hang on, who the fuck are you to tell us lifelong supporters that we don't know anything about football you arrogant, tactically inept bottler", from then on he just got worse and worse and worse in my opinion with the negative tactics, sound bites and demeanor.

How about a chorus of....

"Who the fuck, who the fuck, who the fuck is David Moyes, who the fuckmis David Moyes......"

Now that's a song I could sing my throat sore on. I believe everyone gets there just deserts in life, eventually, Moyes is about to get his in spades, and PDQ too :)

COYB

I emailed my brother last night to say how quickly that affection could evaporate. As a Liverpool supporter, he always grudgingly admired our manager as someone of whom we could be proud, compared to the pantomime that had gone on at Anfield for some time.

Here's what he wrote.

"Sorry but my massive respect for Moyes has gone to plop. He knows how much it would damage Everton and are they really the only defender and midfielder in the world to go for? Dunno what Evra would think? If he
does get them it could even be more grief than worth, so apart from
being callous doesn't even seem wise."

If those are the thoughts of a Kopite, how are WE supposed to feel??

David Moyes did a decent job for us. He was very well paid for doing it, and always made sure of that. He managed to convince his boss that he was indispensable, despite the fact that the performance of his job when it really mattered (a cup final, a derby semi-final, Europe, away matches against leading clubs) was feeble. He was never going to be one of the great Everton names, his conduct now is in some ways helpful to us. The most important words in Lyndon's column are the last five.

Sadly, I truly believe that there are more chapters yet and that the "fall from grace" is not yet complete

Though significant (and growing) part of me does want him to fail in misery, I believe that because SAF's is still part of the machinery then I can not realistically see that happening. SAF is and will be the mentor that dm (or any successor at OT) will have available to turn to should they or mufc deem it necessary, and it WILL be necessary given SAF's immense legacy for a quarter of a century

DM has publicly stated that his duty is to his employers and doing what is best for them. This is a shameful self condemnation. his treatment of Everton over the final 18 months of his tenure flies squarely in the face of this "claim"

For me, DM is now more loathsome than Gordon Lee, but Gordon I detest for being shit, not being "a shit", DM now qualifies upon both accounts

At Everton he ALWAYS had excuses ready for why things were never his fault, but now at Utd under the spotlight he realises he has no excuses to hide behind any more

David Moyes fuck off!!! ( but not before you bid for Osman)

Think that's about right Lyndon. What is interesting to me is will that be how Kenwright feels as well. There are already signs that Kenwright is very unhappy with Moyes (it's worth watching the video of Martinez's press conference to see his body language when asked by a journalist how Kenwright is feeling about the bid from man united)

Mark Hughes spent time in press conferences (I think even before the bids were made) talking of his desire to sign Lescott so it was the bidding club who went public. Hughes, after Moyes had then publicly turned the bid(s) down, said that "[City] are still trying to speak to the people who will ultimately make the decision over whether or not the deal continues".

Moyes did not make the bid public, nor state he was going over the managers head. That is where his anger was directed. So where is the hypocrisy?

If the bid was low, it wasn't done in public, reflected the Utd MO as they play low-ball. Anyone remember Negredo for £7m?

I think Radzinski was moved on shortly after saying it would be best for Rooney's career if he moved. But once Everton went public and said the bid was derisory and insulting, it opened up this 'saga' to press conference shenanigans and that is what we have here.

Now it is all public it is nothing we haven't seen in a large percentage of transfers fueling headlines. Come to think of it, have Madrid even bid for Bale yet?

A private bid, two weeks before the window closes and now he's a capital C. No, he's just another manager who made a bid for our players.

I'm not here to tell anyone he's amazing or say move on or make some analogy about losing your bird... but neither would any of us want to see Cahill or Big Dunc unfairly attacked.

But then as Michael said on another thread, are we all just getting sucked into the pantomime?

Enjoy the match and weekend everyone. COYB.

What IF Bill Kenwright has instructed Moyes to do all this in order for him to regain his stature among the fans when he goes out in the media refusing to sell.

Remember he has lost many fans during the crest fiasco.

I think the gentlemans agreement is still standing, but Moyes is only doing this on behalf of Kenwright, so Kenwright can look as our hero when he in the end refuses to sell.

You know, I am not this gullable, there is something fishy going on here.

Either it is true that Moyes has broken the oral agreement where he could end up liable for civil action in court, or Kenwright has asked his friend to do him a favour to help him regain the supporters trust after he betrayed them by creating a horrible new crest behind the fans back.

In my view even though I am happy we are rid of Moyes, we still have a cancer left in Bill Kenwright.

The man is a charleton, he can NEVER be trusted to do the right thing, never.
He is a liar. The way he lied about Moyes leaving, and said he did not know anything until we all did.
Somehow I find that hard to swallow given how often Moyes and Bill talk to eachother.

What do the rest of you think about Bill if he is in fact playing the fans with Moyes help?

Unfortunately he has revealed himself to be a total hypocrite.

he has tried to turn our players' heads through press speculation and dirty tricks. He has deliberately tried to de-stabilise our club.

I still have respect for his tenure as our manager - but little the man himself now.

it has left me fuming. Sod him.

He's cracking under the pressure, do I really believe his comments that he would have stepped aside and allowed Baines and Fellaini to leave on the cheap if it was Alex Ferguson approaching him? I don't know. Probably.

He talks about thinking of the players best interests, mate that's why they have agents. You were paid £4m a year by a club struggling financially to do the best for EVERTON.

Did he ever actually get Everton at all? I never rated him as a top manager, how could you of a man who persisted with Phil Neville in midfield and sometimes played with zero strikers on the pitch? But I realised after last years game to Liverpool away when he rested half the team that he didn't actually understand Everton... or he had just become so arrogant he didn't care. It's one of two, either way he's burnt his bridges now. Thank god we'll never see him here again.

He had my support whilst he was here

But now he is the United manager and is of no relevance to any of us anymore

Just like any other club, if he wants our players, he will have to pay what we ask.

I don't like to dismiss someone as stupid, as people have different levels of education. Plainly, you can get pig-ignorant professors and highly intelligent people who were just no good at school. Having said that, and bearing in mind the vagaries of the education system, I would still have to conclude that DM is quite simply a dumb fuck.

And in response to us letting the cat out of the bag regarding the private £28 m bid for our two highest profile players, do you not think we deserve the right to know what shits they (TGT and utd) have been with such a miserly bid?

Imagine if Lescott had had a buy out clause in his contract for a certain amount and then Hughes hadn't bid when that clause was in operation; then came out with a bid two days before the opening game of the season for a bid that valued Lescott at the same price for which Everton originally paid; then said that Everton should accept that bid and let Lescott go so that he could further his career; then said that the current manager at Everton didn't know what he was talking about.

Imagine all that because that is exactly what Moyes has done over Fellaini.

I think Moyes is now showing his true colours. People talked of his loyalty to us but I don't think before United came for him he had another opportunity to leave and he was certainly paid over the odds in comparison to his success or lack of.

His hypocrisy is now clear for all to see, some may pick at semantics in a defence of Moyes but the bottom line is he is acting in a way now that he openly criticised on a number of previous occasions as you state. Having had a £12m bid for Baines rejected and knowing that Felliani's release clause was between £23 & £25m how on earth is £28m for the two not derisory? The even further attempts to unsettle the players so close to the end of the window smack of complete and utter hypocrisy too.

I posted an article, I think I called it 'Moyes a man of Morals?' (I'm on my phone so can't find it) just after it was announced he was leaving reflecting your point in the penultimate paragraph and was in the main derided for questioning how long Moyes knew he was going to United for and his selfish actions in the last 6 months of his time here.

I was also mocked for saying the day United announced him taking over for the benefit of their shareholders, he should've been walked off site. If what he is doing now isn't about as close to insider trading in football as you can get, I don't know what is, he is using his knowledge of our finances,or lack of, and the way Kenwright operates to try & get players on the cheap.

Unfortunately, it wouldn't surprise me if both leave with no time to replace them with a weepy Kenwright saying the players pushed for the moves, couldn't stand in their way etc etc. If they do go last minute, by January there'll be about a third of the money available for Martinez to spend.

To bring the comparison to the present day, I'd suggest Moyes & anyone who wishes to defend him looks at his club's aghast response to the Rooney situation and Chelsea's bids, they have stated he is not for sale and are unhappy at continued bids, ring any bells, Davey boy?

At the time I believed Moyes should be told to pack his bags and fuck off, but no, we paid his salary whilst he worked for United and tapped up our players no less.

Kenwright has a lot to answer for, he can start by telling Moyes and United to fuck off, Fellaini will cost you $30 million, and you simply cannot afford to buy Baines.

TWAT

Maybe we can look forward to one of these (see below) 'forgive me' type pleas in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCpeeaIfF9c

"In any case, I would never – under any circumstances – work against the interests of a football club I was managing to further my own as a manager elsewhere later on. That just wasn’t the way I worked."

Contrast this with OFM's refusal to sign a new contract at Everton so as better to engineer his move to MUFC. This wasn't just a personal matter, it created instability at our club.
Perhaps this thought was in Howard's mind when he penned these words.

Football is more than just a business, something that OFM seems unable to comprehend.

its 1 min 25 in on the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAJXXASaDL4

"I definitely do but I also know that if I'd been Everton manager and Sir Alex had come asking for Leighton Baines and Marouane Fellaini, I'd have found it very difficult to keep them because I always felt the right thing to do was what was right for the players," he said

Either it's libel by the Daily Mail or its quite clearly an attempt to publicly turn our players' heads.

Can you really believe that had SAF bid £16M for Fellaini, Moyes would've turned around said "Sorry felli, but you've got more chance of winning trophies at Utd and earning more cash, so I'm going to need to let you go for your own good"?

Moyes is a hypocrite and a liar. He is not interested in what's best for the players, he's interested in what's best for David Moyes, and if he fucks over players, or past/current clubs, then he seems to have no problem with that.

To be honest I thought he was well past his time to leave, and was glad to see him go. That said, I was always impressed to some degree by his determination to do things in the right way. Quite frankly I'm astonished by how quickly his attitude has changed.

Maybe its the pressure of the new job and his failure to bring in new players, but from his "I don't talk about players at other clubs" quote while with us, to the his new style of management, it seems a 180 degree turn from a decent hard-working manager who most of us at least respected, to despicable arsehole ready to undermine his previous club as soon as he's out the door.

If I were bill kenwright I'd come out publicly and state that given the comments made, there is zero chance of any players being sold to Utd at any price. If the players want to move to a richer club, then they can move to one of the other rich clubs in this league or abroad, but not them.

On the positive side, I think its two less team talks that will need to be made by RM this season.

I have been saying it for 8 years now and had nothing but ridicule on here. Well there's enough people feeling like tits right now who are venting anti-Moyes shite — all too late, I'm afraid. It should've been said while Moyes was here. It was there for all to see but the trouble was too many fans didn't want to look.

We should go for a bevy, Ross; great minds and all that. Ha ha ha.... You're right, Ross, you were right all along — and so was I. Large dollops of humble pie all round, methinks.

The question is why would we?
Was it our attempt to speed along negotiations and have a huge step up in value by trying to embarrass them?
Are we publicly trying to make Moyes out to be a bad man thereby smoothing the transition to RM with the fans?
Or we're we just so aghast at the bid we felt it important to publicly admonish it?
Or have the club decided to play open cards with its fans from now on letting them know everything inside our club?

Knowing BK like we do.. Do you trust him to be just playing open or actually just playing tough ball negotiations?

Saying that.. DM stating he would not hold back players is bullshit ... But part of the game that has started between our mgt and theirs. Maybe he is also playing bad guy to let us all "move on" .. Yeah.. That's bollocks.

I suspect it was Man U or someone associated with them that did it.

Just been watching the YouTube clip, I must admit, I seem to loosely remember the incident now, but time had almost erased it completely. I could not help but notice the similarities between him and our now departed (geographically) former manager. There could be a closer connection, American Cousins and all that, a sort of Jimmy McSwaggart (same reddish hair) and Sir Alex's nickname was 'Taggart' rhyming connection.

The insincerity of both, also draws the inevitable comparisons, the obvious forgiving nature of the congregation, however, does not, amongst the Everton fans.

I think it will not be long, following the revelations this week, before his new fan base follow suit.

Like many I do think both players will leave before the deadline and that probably Barry and McCarthy will arrive.

One good thing about what Moyes has said, is that it will make the rest of the Everton squad, realise that he, as their manager, had little faith in their collective abilities and hopefully they will prove him wrong over the course of this season.

If Moyes was ever caught with his kecks down you can bet your last nicker Mr Chairman would present himself at the trades men's entrance

The first time that I heard about an actual bid was from Everton.

I guess we'll only really know once the transfer window closes. If David Moyes is standing with Fellaini and Baines at a Man U press conference then the fact that Everton made the bid public will look decidedly fishy.

Of the four options you've put forward the first two seem the more likely as Everton have previous for both of them. In fact they both feature in more or less every big transfer we've been involved in while BK has been chairman.

Moyes commenting on the bid was a bad move in my opinion as it sets a bad precedent. How then can you complain when other managers talk about your players? Not that I care but a lot of his press statements have been quite amateurish since he went to Man U. Certainly Ferguson would have been too smart to have been tricked into saying them, as they have created stories that are of no particular benefit to Man U.

I can only summize the man is a twat.

It seems to be common knowledge that Manure put in a bid for Baines earlier that was rejected, and Fellaini's escape clause was well discussed as well. Why do some people consider it poor form (or even forbidden) to highlight an overt bid that was derisory considering it was obvious that we valued the players much more highly?

What he said.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/25/jose-mourinho-david-Moyes-wayne-rooney

Whingeing about "taking a knife to a gunfight", was an error of enormous proportions.

But taking his plastic teaspoon to a fencing duel with swordmain like Jose is utter stupidity

He has begun his painful apprenticeship, his greatest mistake is in assuming that mufc are on his side at the outset, dear dear dear
Mourinho is an Alpha predator who WILL go for the kill at great risk because he knows that fortune favours only the brave

Moyes first reading of such a concept has not even begun to sink in, if indeed he has even had the wit to study it

Jose knows that even tonights result is NOT the outcome of the battle of wits
Jose's team isn't even competing against Moyes', because Moyes hasn't changed anything from SAF's squad

Martinez publicly played down the notion of recruiting any Wigan players, before promptly signing three of them.

Motives are very rarely unselfish.

Before any others repeat regards the sale and purchase of Wigan players, no less than rent a gob the chairman of Wigan himself made it clear Martinez was more than welcome to return and shop from his former squad. I must have missed that similar advertisement at Goodison all summer.

You write about 'honour & principles,' yet we've just recruited 4 (presumbly honourable) men who were happy to desert a sunken ship in order to serve themselves too.

You cannot have it both ways.

By the way, I do expect the inevitable WILL happen on or near transfer deadline day, and it's Billy Liar who deserves the grief.

Apparent Moyes quote circulating on Twitter.

So the great tactical genius fancies that one of the worlds most wealthy football clubs equipped with a squad of players paid sums beyond the dreams of mere mortals stand an outside chance of snatching 3 points at home ?

Mourinho's boxers must be saturated with fear

I wonder if he'll still bring on Naismith with 20 to go ?

He basically, true or not, has admitted he never tried to win in big games while he was Everton manager.

But if it suits your argument, yes he signed 3...

"I don't know what my record against Jose is, but I've been told it's quite good"

Won 0
Drew 3
Lost 5

Yep, stellar record Moyes, Jose is filling his pants right now.

Our previous manager has behaved appallingly and continues to disrespect the support he had from the board over 11 years, I can think of at least six occasions when the sack was justifiable.

We gave this man his big chance and yes he did ok but we are no better off than we have ever been historically therefore i see no reason to revere him in any way.

He had so much control at Everton that i really believe this man thinks he was bigger than the club and also believes he has that control still.

We need him to listen and understand we supported him through thick and thin and he has the new job because of us not in spite of us.

I really hope we remain steadfast and keep the two players; however, I also believe that will only be based on if they hand in a transfer request which I expect from at least one of them; if so, we should do our utmost to sell them to anyone but Man Utd.

I want this man erased from the memory, therefore I am polling ToffeeWeb if allowed to have the embarrassing "People's Club" erased from the memory and to get the club to drop it from their marketing completely and send a message to this man that we can and will forget him as quickly as he has forgotten us.

Don't forget, he forgot us in January and continued that with his secret rendezvous with Ferguson etc and for this I cannot forgive him and in my opinion neither should anyone else for that matter.

Football is capricious, so the pompous demand for loyalty is largely irrelevant.

Martinez point-blank refused to discuss his future, before, and to the suprise of no one, he promptly fucked-off from a tean he'd just relegated.

The faux-outrage over Moyes's apparent lack of integrity, is wholly contradicted by the deafening silence concerning any attributable loyalty clearly absent from Martinez.

If anyone therefore wishes to pass themselves off as ethical, then at the very least show SOME consistency.

Also, spending 11 years in the same job IS demonstrably loyal.

And Ross, whilst putting the boot into Moyes's lack of ambition versus Chelsea, please note that a) we often played well against them, and b) Martinez thinks that 6th place "is magnificent for a club like Everton."

Depending on what your views are if you're an auld ass like me then no sixth isn't good enough for Everton FC, but if you look at it in practical terms e.g. amount of money spent on investment then it's probably about as much as we can expect. The last occasion we qualified for Europe was 2008-09, so that should be what we aim for, either through the league - but that will probably be beyond us this season - or via the cup competitions which we should try and do as we are capable of getting to one of the finals if we get kind draws.

Martinez - took his time, made his choice, his chairman happy and also compensated to his satisfaction - compare and contrast Moyes' lies and departure

Joel Robles - not even a Wigan player - ho hum, enjoy the hat

Antolin Alcaraz - no longer a Wigan player - salt and pepper?

Arouna Kone - chose to leave and sign for another team - again the chairman of said club happy with the price

You could be really pedantic and add the backroom staff from Wigan although that freebie for you does come yet again with the full agreement of their former chairman.

Moyes utter lack of "WTF lets have a go" utterly strangulated me

My final moment of loyalty to him evaporated at Wembley
I remember being stood on the coach departing Wembley after dm's witless ditherment made Mr Godfrey from "Dad's Army" look like a wounded "Johnny Rambo" !
I have never been so furious with any Everton player or Official
He sold us, that gutless bastard sold us

I was in the Main Stand the night we turned Bayern over
Moyes has NO concept of what that was like, none. None at all

We were savages, ruthless, bestial and bloodcurdling. The noise we created was painful (the main stand shook rhythmically like it would collapse) and relentless and our team were as delicately poetic as we were primal

Moyes has not the very first inkling of what Evertonians truly are, I suspect that Roberto actually wants to find out

I hope that Roberto unlocks the Blue Firestorm
But if he doesn't, or no-one else in my lifetime does........bloody hell it was terrifying and magnificent !

I'd rate that as the night that all living Evertonians turned on the turbo
It was certainly the night that I learned my history, all of it

Knives and gunfights ?

We were barehanded !

I'll back-peddle solely on Robles as he was on loan.

The others? They could easily have stayed loyal to Wigan: Like Moyes, Alcaraz allowed his contract to run down: where's the condemnation of him?

Martinez & Kone's ineptitude in part, cost Wigan their spot in the top-flight, and neither shared any interest in staying on to fight the good fight; criticism of this - again completely absent in contrast to the ire concerning Moyes's (fictional) disloyalty.

I also note with amusement that you employ both inverted snobbery AND the opinion of Dave Whelan to support an already flaky argument that only serves to diminish it;

It is United's first goalless draw at home in the league since 16 May 2009, a run of 76 matches with a goal comes to an end – at David Moyes's first attempt.

"overshadow the many impressive achievements he had as our manager" yes the biggest and most embarrassing defeats in our history" His "inability to win at the big four" His ultimate achievement of "bottling it, each and every time when it mattered in cup competitions".

I am glad he has gone.

Intermittent then, Kevin?

"Also, spending 11 years in the same job IS demonstrably loyal".

Wages had fuck all to do with it then.

"You write about 'honour & principles,' yet we've just recruited 4 (presumbly honourable) men who were happy to desert a sunken ship in order to serve themselves too."

Never has so much shit been attributed to one person. Congratulations.

Some people just cannot admit they were wrong. So wrong.

Well, phoning his beloved on a regular basis really isn't the answer. He can, however, do something that will cost him not a penny but would win him back a little respect.

Why not say,"Roberto doesn't want to sell Fellaini and Baines. David Moyes has disappointed me with his derisory offers and I will do no business with him".

Sadly, though, Bill is a spineless piece of shit and I suspect that Fellaini will go and Roberto will bring in a late ,cheap replacement.

I cannot see the sense in selling either player. Our squad will be weakened and we will be seen as a feeble selling club.

Roberto has just signed a contract . He is in a position to speak his mind. He must not be Kenwright's poodle. For the sake of the good name of Everton Moyes must be humiliated He is a money grabbing chancer without a shred of loyalty, decency or integrity.A real chairman would fuck him off and publicly denounce him. I fear for our season.

Put simply "We will not make any permanent signings for players contracted at other clubs and we will not even consider any approaches for our contracted players. We have closed our window".

In future, unless the premiership alter the practice, we should adhere to this.
I believe that it will only serve us well.
It would set us ahead of other clubs, and in so doing up the asking price for the release of our players. Buy now or miss out. But, we should also adhere to our own policy.

Daniel Levy and Dave Whelan have 2 different yet strong approaches to selling, Levy is by far the cooler, more effective of the two (but given his starting position, so he should be). Did the spuds really receive a late late bid for Bale ? TBH I don't care, but it's a smart touch

If we close our window to business, then we increase the future sale price of our players under contract and that benefits only Everton.

As an aside, I reckon that this would be very popular with most clubs other than the "favoured few".

And did you hear Gary Neville say Manure and RS should stand up against clubs coming in for their star players, Rooney and Suarez or that will be it!!!!.......But it's okay to come in for our players. What a hypercritical arsehole he is...

It didn't take Moyes long to start the ruining process on one of the world's best strikers did it??

And our board, who wouldn't recognise the truth if it danced bollocko in front of them (screaming "I AM THE TRUTH!") continue to behave appallingly and disrespect the supporters.

Moyes and your shifty pals deserved each other imo, it's the supporters who deserve/d better.

By the way, you STILL haven't told us how Dave Kelly reacted when you sought him out and gave him a piece of your mind at the shareholders meeting, like you told us all you were going to.

Up the BU!

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as you've clearly mis-read me.

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Jesus wept Kevin Hudson you don't just get it or you don't want/refuse to get it do you? Your pithy trite snide comparison between Moyes/Manure and Martinez/Everton is quite frankly laughable although I think that you think it is somehow more realistic and more elevated and more 'moral' than your run-of-the-mill toffeewebber.

Listen carefully because you have yet to fully incorporate this in your responses to the responses to your wide-of-the-mark comparison Wigan's chairman in effect invited Martinez/Everton (and anyone else for that matter) to come and get any one of Wigan's players.

Now here's a question for you and let's see if you can answer it: has Teary Billy ever in public invited all and sundry including Moyes/Manure to bid for any one of EFC'S players?

Do you perhaps now see the difference between the conduct of Moyes/Manure and
Martinez/Everton? I for one doubt it because you seem as irretrievably pig-headed as say Mr. Entwhistle.

Oh by the way I am absolutely certain that Colin is mightily relieved and grateful to get the benefit of your myopic doubt.

(See: Lescott/Arteta/Rodwell).

Moyes bids on former players.

So does Martinez.

Moyes is a c**t....Martinez is a saint.

Yeah, got it.......

answer the fecking question - your avoidance is a sure sign of dwindling credibility

has Teary Billy ever in public invited all and sundry including Moyes/Manure to bid for any one of EFC'S players and has Wigan's chair done the opposite?

Moyes knows his MO, knows the financial situation backwards and knows he's a soft touch.

Whelan's simply trimming his wage bill for obvious reasons.

You simply won't/can't admit it can you or bring yer pig-headed self to put it into words?

Your Moyes is behaving disgracefully but you cannot yourself to say it can you without tarring Martinez with the same brush?

Pathetic pig-headed with the gall to tell others to get real!

"Disgaraceful behaviour..." Right, the man's an absolute monster, isn't he?!

This is how the dance ALWAYS begins.

(Watch out for Arsenal upping their bid for Cabaye).