Column 28comments | Jump to last This article may have been recategorised and is therefore no longer available at this URL. You can try to find the updated link in the article archive. Share article: Reader Comments (28) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer Derek Knox 1 Posted 15/09/2013 at 17:13:02 An interesting read Paul, for which I thank you! I was surprised that you only awarded a measley 8 for Barry, who, I thought, considering he hasn't played seriously, for quite some time,was making his debut, with relative strangers, would have at least have approached a 9 !Also agree Naismith, was excellent, but not quite a MoM candidate. To be honest, considering the expensive array that is Chelsea, I couldn't over all, criticise any of our legion !Getting back to Barry, as another poster commented on a similar thread, as Fellaini's replacement, if you like, could you have seen (hypothetically) him make that essential clearance, from E'too, after Howard's Howler? Quite categorically. No!I am surprised, although I shouldn't be, apart from this site, how little the Media have made of our well deserved win, against the widely tipped favourites for the Title this year !Just watching our next opposition (WEST HAM) and nothing there has impressed thus far!Sin Miedo ! COYB Dick Brady 2 Posted 15/09/2013 at 17:45:25 In a way I think the 3 points has glossed over what so easily could have been a poor performance.That first half we were pretty awful right up until we scored the goal. The 2nd half was better with many players displaying the old passion and fighting spirit Moyes has drilled into them over the years.But I'm still not convinced Everton have suddenly turned a corner and are now a much better team under Roberto Martinez. As Jose said after the game Chelsea were the better side.That being said we did beat Chelsea and great credit should go to Roberto because we really did have a poor record against Chelsea under David Moyes.I think we will know a lot more about the new Everton after West Ham (a) and the tricky cup tie against Fulham (a).Beating Chelsea was a good result for the fans but I still fear that too much football is being played a long the back line and not enough goals are being scored at the other end.But beating Chelsea was a start and lets remain optimistic that we can continue and beat West Ham and Fulham. Jon Withey 3 Posted 15/09/2013 at 17:53:20 You sure it wasn't Osman who provided the cross ? Barkley held off a few of Chelseas defence to make the pass out wide, impressive stuff. Steve Pugh 4 Posted 15/09/2013 at 18:38:30 Indeed it was Osman who made the cross, in fact it was Osman that fed Barkley before running wide to take the return ball. Earlier in the first half he won the ball on the edge of our box before finding Naismith who put over a peach of a cross that Jelavic should have done more from. Just shows what the little man is capable of, now if he could just do more of it..... Jackie Barry 5 Posted 15/09/2013 at 18:46:01 Oh typical Dick. You really should just follow ginger to Old Trafford. I saw more fight in this team than under him, I was not left worrying as we hung on for dear life at the end, in fact it was Chelsea who were hanging on at the end. What a surprise. Robbie Muldoon 6 Posted 15/09/2013 at 18:55:34 This, my fellow blue noses, is what we've been waiting for. Taken from an interview with ESPN before the Chelsea game:'Under Moyes, Everton were often criticized for a lack of ambition in settling up for a draw against Big Four teams. When asked if he would do likewise, Martinez sounds aghast, as if the mere suggestion offended him. "No!" he says, revealing a change in style even more significant than the tailored blue suits he favors that have replaced Moyes' staid sweatshirts on the Everton sideline. "We will always go for a win. Going for a draw does not allow you to achieve what we want to achieve. Chelsea are a top-four team and that is what we want to be."The Roberto Revolution! Paul Traill 7 Posted 15/09/2013 at 18:54:38 Yes Jon apologies it was Osman who crossed for the goal...I noticed on Goals On Sunday about five minutes after posting the report. Apologies. Ross Edwards 8 Posted 15/09/2013 at 18:56:43 Are you still missing Moyes Dick? Paul Andrews 9 Posted 15/09/2013 at 19:02:38 Oooooh Missus Jeff Beaumont 10 Posted 15/09/2013 at 19:01:51 Foul or not, Distin's challenge on Oscar was not a penalty — it was outside the area. Dick Brady 11 Posted 15/09/2013 at 19:13:07 Its not Moyes I miss so much as I worry about things slipping and Everton losing their Top 6 status.See I remember the old days when we sucked pretty awful. Last game of the season relegation scraps against Wimbledon and Coventry. Those were days I never want to see return.Moyes changed all that and took us from a relegation tipped team to a regular Top 5/6/7 team.I honestly don't care who the manager is so long as the high standards continue and we continue to challenge for Europe and the Top 5.I'm willing to give Roberto a bit of time because it will be a transitional period until he's settled but if I see Everton slipping and the Top 6 status slowly disappearing then I will absolutely demand Kenwright do something.I'm all about results and the Top 6 status. Derek Knox 12 Posted 15/09/2013 at 19:16:39 Jeff (301)Apart from that, I know the ref had to make an on the spot decision, without the benefit of varied angle, slow motion replays, Distin, did get the ball, and Oscar ran into the sandwich, after that!Just a point mate! Ross Edwards 13 Posted 15/09/2013 at 19:20:59 18:29:38 I'm sorry lads. Losing Moyes was really hard on me. I really want Martinez to succeed. Honestly I do but I miss Moyes so much. These were your words Dick. We all want Martinez to succeed but move on from Moyes please. Derek Knox 14 Posted 15/09/2013 at 19:22:35 Dick (302)Should that be the case, which, personally, I doubt very much. Do you actually think Bill will listen to you with any conviction? Robbie Muldoon 15 Posted 15/09/2013 at 19:33:04 Dick, Walter Smith brought an end to the last day escapes. Kunal Desai 16 Posted 15/09/2013 at 19:31:39 Dick - Let me ask you this, aside from from the shite perhaps, who honestly do you think is going to finish above us from those who finished below us last season? There is alot of dross in that bottom half, i'll be amazed if with the additions we have made and the same group of players as last season we don't finish 7th as the minimum. Nothing to worry about, you need to relax Andrew James 17 Posted 15/09/2013 at 19:38:53 I was not at all surprised by the result as I have been busy telling everyone I know that under RM we will improve our record against the Top 4. But I was genuinely taken aback at how quickly we did it. First real test for RM and he came through it with flying colours. The real test for me though is RS away, Old Trafford and Arsenal. Our record against the last team is abysmal. But they are for another day.At the moment, we should be happy with the positives: plenty of options, the defence has been excellent, kids are coming in (there's no way Barkley would have played every game in the League under Moyes) and Lukaku is still to come in.I hope Lukaku makes his debut in London and that Del Boy starts in the game at the Cottage (West Ham will kick him in the air and, BTW, we have to hope that Nolan doesn't do a hatchet job on Ross) Ben Dyke 19 Posted 15/09/2013 at 22:15:31 I think the penalty decision involving Distin and actually Osman who was the main fouler in my opinion, was not given because Oscar had blatantly lost control of the ball when he was fouled and that is why it wasn't even a free kick.This result is a great indicator of the fact that under Martinez we will not be overawed by the bigger teams. Its not an indicator that we will always get a result against them, because we won't! But its refreshing to see us happy to attack even late on when holding on which would not happen the same way under Moyes. And I'm not saying that as a hater, I was a big fan, but it definitely points towards a different future, which I am glad for. Its just a much better and satisfying fit to try and attack to win a game, even if on occasion it backfires. Andrew James 20 Posted 15/09/2013 at 22:50:34 Good point Ben.Personally I liked Moyes a lot and understood his philosophy sometimes. But for me he was too cautious. So to see us attack and attack will be fun. The way Martinez directed Swansea meant they eventually ended up in the Prem. For Wigan it seemed suicidal at times but we got humiliated and they won the Cup. Now he's in charge of a better set of players with more money (just) and a much bigger set of fans, he will only get better. But expect some cock ups along the way...it won't be perfect but it will be interesting! James Flynn 21 Posted 15/09/2013 at 22:23:21 Sure, Paul, why not optimism? If we can manage to get and maintain Barry and Gibson as a pairing, CL here we come. I'm optimistic as can be. The pairing allows for Barkley to work thru how playing with the big boys is drastically different than lording it over fellow teenagers, for one. He can make his mistakes on the ball and the team won't be punished.Also, makes Osman an impact sub and occasional starter. In that role, he still has something to offer. All for that. Love Ossie, but a regular 90 minutes of leg under him is over and done. Peter O'Connor 22 Posted 16/09/2013 at 08:42:19 Dick #302Don't let your fears of the past haunt our future. Moyes wasn't taking us any further and became too scared of his own shadow - a bit like you really. Numerous times Moyes' over-cautious approach cost us dearly i.e. v LFC @ Wembley - never ever ever forgivable. Even last season early on we were doing well and Moyes pulled up the drawbridge to "keep what he had" rather than going for it. We can't focus on coming 6th season in season out because you don't win anything by coming 6th. Aiming for 6th in the hope of getting in Europe is that what you want? I want to win trophies and if it means finishing7th or 8th or even 10th and winning a cup then I will accept that. Linda Morrison 23 Posted 16/09/2013 at 11:37:29 I agree with Peter, we need to get a trophy to polish in the trophy room. Lots of the top teams are bedding in new managers, so will be interesting to see where they end up in May.I tipped Arsenal for the title and I'm sticking to it.We've got a good team now, although if Barry keeps his form up we'll need to offer him a contract quick, let's be positive for once.We beat a top side! Bob Parrington 24 Posted 18/09/2013 at 08:07:55 Wasn't a penalty by Distin. Foxtel showed it maybe 20 times and even they concluded it wasn't a peno! It was difficult to see which of our guys got the touch on the ball, Distin or (I think) Osman but we clearly go the ball. Good refereeing!Great result. Well deserved. OK, you have to ride your luck in some games, although it wasn't like we gained much from 'lucky' bounces. They either just didn't take, or were prevented from taking, their chances.Naismith did a good job helping Coleman keep the Hazardous one at bay (mind you, the little bugga still looks a great player) and then was in the right place at the right time to score the goal.Barry had a fantastic debut. Let's hope it continues. Ciarán McGlone 25 Posted 18/09/2013 at 09:34:54 Oscar hadn't lost control of the ball...he nicked it off Distin's foot..However it was just outside the box. Harold Matthews 26 Posted 19/09/2013 at 06:37:21 Bob. Maybe we upset Hazard. He played like a donkey against Basle and should have been pulled off.Re other posts. As I am permanently glass half empty with fingers crossed my optimism rarely gushes over. We have what looks like a very decent squad and I'm looking forward to the time when McCarthy and Kone are among the first names on the team-sheet. Lukaku is an interesting addition who may give many centre backs a big headache but I'll reserve judgement till I've seen him in action. Let's face it. He might be huge but he's still a young lad learning his trade. Brent Stephens 27 Posted 19/09/2013 at 08:26:55 Ross #291 "Are you still missing Moyes Dick?"Only just seen that. Nice one Ross. Talk about Eats Shoot and Leaves. Apostrophes, anyone? Kev Johnson 28 Posted 19/09/2013 at 09:04:11 Ha-ha! Good one, Brent!http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzmgluVdRh1qms8kao1_500.jpg Tom Bowers 29 Posted 19/09/2013 at 23:17:24 Everton have now won 3 of the last home Prem. games against Chelski and despite living dangerously at times one has to say that Everton did well and not many teams will beat Chelski.I believe that all Evertonians should be cautiously optimistic and only a run of victories will cement any thoughts we may have of being a better organization than under Moyes.West Ham has been a lucky ground for the Blues and I am happy that they play this game before the League cup game at Fulham.The injuries are clearing up which is making a healthy situation for selection competition and hopefully when Alcarez and Pienaar return it will be even better.God knows we long suffering fans have been waiting for years to have the club turn the corner and this may just be it. 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