http://gottfriedfuchs.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/englands-home-grounds-1873-1900.html

I always assumed their arrogance, their blindness to anything other than their own interests, had developed during the 1960s when they came from obscurity to win the top domestic trophies, and then went on to success in Europe in the 70s and 80s. From McDermott pissing on nurses from the top of a bus, through the air-brushing of Heysel from their history, their shameless (successful) pursuit of getting into the Champion's League when they had no entitlement, to their defence of one of the most repugnant footballers we have ever seen, they have consistently considered only what is helpful to their own ends.

Thanks, Tony, for showing that the malaise runs deep. Bitter? No, just observant.

Two side issues (beyond from the obvious):

● Liverpolitans? – I cannot ever remember hearing that as kid... it was always Liverpudlians. Apparently the first is earlier, while the second developed as an offshoot of self-deprecating scouse humour (pool... puddle)

● Business Men – Many still bemoan the transition of our current game into big business, forgetting that clubs became commercial entities in the late 19th Century.... yet it was even then a derogatory thing.

Fantastic stuff... keep 'em coming!

I see that some things never change, I still make sure I have half a guinea to spend when I go the match!

As for their behaviour, it seems 'Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing' was bang on the money even back then.

We should take a couple of banners to the derby at their place.

'LIVERPOOL FC - BAD SPORTS SINCE 1901'

Or 'WE DEMAND PORK PIE FINAL REPARATIONS'

(with our finances, BK might be interested in pursuing that second one, specially if you add the interest).

I had heard of the Pork Pie Fnal but didn't know what it was about.

I remember going to FA Cup games when both teams had been drawn at home probably late '70s.

Classic Eugene - I'd love to hear the commentators musing over those signs.

But WYSIATI, so before we hammer the reds, lets understand that there are some mitigating facts though - I am sure you are aware of.
Firstly, the reason the attendance was so low was in part due to the station at Bolton refurb and no cheap train fares for the Southerners to obtain.
Secondly, LFC were playing their last home game of the season on that day, besides their one game in hand, to equal the points total of Sunderland, who had finished their fixtures at the top of the league. After going on a great run following their defeat to Everton !
And the reds went on to win their first Championship - A FULL TEN YEARS AFTER WE WON OUR FIRST CHAMPIONSHIP !!

But why let facts get in the way of a great story - we ARE Liverpolitans, and we know our History.

AND PLEASE LETS SEE THOSE BANNERS AT THE NEXT DERBY -COYB

Not exactly advanced algebra to work out that a top-level game would be taking place less than a mile away, with the added chaos and extra policing etc.

This business claim over a century ago makes me laugh though; the gobshites in charge were the 'business men' making a fortune while the fans were taken for granted. Nothing's changed

Probably in a very small minority here, but for my money it would be so much better if newspapers and newsreaders still used language like that - the way we express ourselves now is not, to use a footballing analogy, fit to lace the boots of early 20th century English!

As for LFC's stance in all this, is anybody really surprised?!

In fact so slippery, devious and yet ultimately hopeless, he might be described as 'Kenwrightesque'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rA0Odk0JTk

"The average footballer, who possesses a copious and expressive vocabulary" [TRANSLATION] - Media Trained millionaires.

Michael, didn't the Heseltine Leahy report of 2011 refer to the "Liverpolitan Diaspora"

It is true that many of the newspapers blamed the railways this was not the case. The station in question Trinity Street was on the L&Y system and had, strangely, no direct link with Sheffield. The company would have needed permission from the Midland Railway to run excursions from Sheffield.

The London fans , who just failed to turn up, would have travelled on the L&NW system and this would have brought them in to Great Moor Street in Bolton. The work going on at Trinity Street would not have affected them.

The venue was unpopular with both clubs who asked for the game to be transferred to Villa. The FA insisted on playing the game in Bolton.

Burnden Park which opened in 1895, was a decent ground but was now where near as good as the "state of the arts" home of New Brighton Tower. Why on earth did the FA not think of staging the game there?

Thats what I always jokingly say to one of my RS supporting friends, We're a football club, they are a business.

Was the word Liverpudlian not coined by the London press in the century before last? ie it is a puddle not even a pool. Seems like even then the capital liked to put us down.

I like the word Liverpolitan; it doesn't have any association with you know who. Let's use it more.

Thanks Tony