Manchester United 0 -1 Everton

As painful records go, Everton's Old Trafford hoodoo was rivaled perhaps only by the barren run at Anfield that stretched into its 14th year in May as David Moyes departed Goodison Park without having managed to win a single match on the home grounds of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United.

The pain and frustration from 21 years of hurt at the Blues' very own theatre of broken dreams was swept away in a glorious instant this evening, though, when Bryan Oviedo, a player making only his third Premier League start and who was only two years old the last time Everton beat United on their own turf, slotted past David de Gea from the angle with four minutes left on the clock to uncork two decades of pent-up emotion among long-suffering Blues.

The enormity of the significance for the club was not lost on the players either. Oviedo wheeled away from the goal to execute another knee-slide celebration just four days after notching his first Premier League goal before being mobbed by half of his teammates. As the ball nestled in the corner of the goal, Seamus Coleman put his hands on his head in disbelief and looked in both directions unsure what to do with himself. And Romelu Lukaku, a player the media would love to believe is merely passing through for a season on his way to glory at Chelsea, Juventus, Barcelona or what other marquee club they're linking him with this week, fell to his knees incredulous before punching the turf in delight.

Up in the stands, 3,000 jubilant Evertonians who have waited so long to taste victory in this arena, against this former peer before the crushing inequity of the Premier League era thrust such a deep divide between the two clubs, simply erupted.

Of course, while Everton's dreadful sequence of results long preceded the former manager and United's hegemony over the Blues in Manchester was well entrenched during the dark days of the 1990s and early 2000s, the Moyes dimension, the symbolism of his first meeting with his former club, and his record in this fixture as Everton's manager were inescapable in the build-up to tonight.

Despite restoring pride and stability to Goodison and assembling the best squad since the glory days of the 1980s, Moyes never could find the motivational magic or the imagination to overcome an inferiority complex about taking on the Champions in their own back yard.

Perhaps for that reason – more so than the manner of his recruitment, his feather-ruffling comments about his old club once he had taken himself off down the East Lancs Road to succeed Sir Alex Ferguson, the purse-lipped winding down of his contract, his aggravating and destabilising pursuit of Leighton Baines and Marouane Fellaini, or the mere fact that this was the first meeting of the two clubs since his departure – so much about this match was always going to be about Moyes. And yet, ultimately, this famous night was really all about his successor, Roberto Martinez who achieved at the first attempt what his predecessor couldn't over 11 years.

True to his promise, the Spaniard brought a gameplan aimed at winning and he was richly rewarded with the most significant result of his fledgeling tenure. It wasn't perfect – it never could be on the home ground of the Champions, however uncertain their retention of that title seemed even before this evening – and it needed a dose of luck, but it was executed superbly by a group of players who put in 100% as a team from start to finish and finished the job with the all-important goal.

Martinez demonstrated unequivocally his faith in his charges – not least the match-winner, Oviedo, who, in all likelihood under the ancien regime, would have been shunted to the bench in favour of a more "experienced", defensively-minded player played out of position – with arguably his strongest line-up, recalling Ross Barkley and Kevin Mirallas to the starting XI.

And his men signalled their intent early with a confident start to the game based around measured and patient passing that had them, for the first 10 minutes at least, looking like the home side. Lukaku fired wide from distance, a flick-on by Mirallas from a corner shortly afterwards caused momentary panic on the United goalline before the ball was hacked away at the back post before the latter Belgian forced the first save of the game from De Gea with a rasping shot that the Spanish 'keeper fisted over the crossbar.

The Blues' early fire had been quelled somewhat by United by around the quarter-hour mark, though, and a more familiar pattern to these encounters threatened to emerge as Moyes's side found their feet a little. A mistake by Mirallas let them in for their first chance in the 16th minute but Tim Howard foiled Wayne Rooney by beating his low shot away and the American had to be alert and nimble three minutes later as he rushed out to grab the ball off the forward right on the edge of his area and quickly dropped it before he committed a handball as he crossed the 18 yard line.

Ceding more and more possession to their hosts, Everton invited more trouble as the half wore on and complicated their task by sluggish tracking back and generally affording United's forward players too much space in which to operate outside the box. Shinji Kagawa stole in behind the Blues' defence but Howard was again on hand to deny him and Ryan Giggs missed the far post by inches with a glancing header from a deep cross as the home side pressed.

Martinez's side were disciplined in keeping their shape but there were too many occasions when they weren't tight enough to their man and Rooney almost made them pay the price just before the half hour mark. Side-stepping the nearest defender on the edge of the box, the ex-Everton striker fired a shot that took a wicked deflection off Sylvain Distin and then spun, seemingly in slow motion, off the post and back in front of goal. Howard again reacted quickly, though, and swept it away with an out-stretched leg before Kagawa could pounce on the rebound.

With Martinez constantly orchestrating from the touchline, the Blues gathered themselves again, though, for the remainder of the half and, but for the form of De Gea, some stout defending by their hosts, and some disappointing end product in the final third that spoiled some promising counter-attacks, they might have gone into half time a goal up.

Lukaku out-muscled Nemanja Vidic in his irrepressible manner down the right flank but couldn't find either of two Blue jerseys in the centre with his cross before later being foiled by De Gea just before the interval after he'd collected Barkley's deep switch pass and driven inside from the same wing.

The half ended, though, with another hearts-in-mouth moment when Evra sent the ball dangerously across Everton's six-yard box but there no red shirts on hand to convert and Rooney's flick after it had bounced into his path off Oviedo was easily caught by Howard.

As Martinez would have expected, there were long periods in the second half where his team had to be geared towards containment and focused defending, particularly after the hour mark as the increasingly restless Old Trafford crowd started willing their team forward. Prior to that, Howard had pushed a stinging Evra drive over his bar to start the half and Fellaini had seen a volleyed attempt deflect wide while, for Everton, Mirallas was crowded out of a promising situation in the United box shortly before he lashed a shot wide from 25 yards.

But with James McCarthy and Gareth Barry in invincible mood as the holding pair in midfield – the former seemingly covering every blade of grass as hunted United's midfielders down, the latter breaking things up defensively and controlling tempo when the Blues were in possession – and both Oviedo and Coleman now tenaciously keeping things as tight as they could on United's flanks, Moyes cut an increasingly frustrated figure in front of his dugout.

Two positive substitutions, one from each manager, threatened to open the game up, though. First, Adnan Januzaj, the 18 year-old who had turned a game in United's favour so emphatically at Sunderland earlier this season, had the home fans baying for a penalty when he fell under a challenge by Steven Pienaar but referee Martin Atkinson (who officiated uncharacteristically well, it should be said) waved play on – it was outside the box, in any case. Then, Gerard Deulofeu, a 68th-minute introduction for Barkley, was sent clear by a terrific through-ball by Lukaku but, having blazed unheeded into the area thanks to his pace, he shot straight at De Gea, wasting what looked, for the next 18 minutes, to have been the chance for Everton to claim a priceless win.

United seemed intent over the next 12 minutes on making the 19 year-old pay for his profligacy. Januzaj's viciously swerving shot in the 70th minute almost wrong-footed Howard but he managed to bat the ball over to safety with both hands. Then, Fellaini popped up in front of goal but his half-volley was well blocked by Jagielka forcing a corner from the United left that looked to have finally broken the back of Everton's resilience.

Evra met Rooney's dead-ball center with his head prompting a superb, point-blank parry by Howard and, thankfully, with the 'keeper prone on the floor, Danny Welbeck could only head the rebound off the face of the crossbar before Coleman could belt the ball to temporary safety. When the final ball came back in from the right and found Rooney in acres of space at the back of the area, he skied his volley into the stands.

By the final 10 minutes, after the tiring Pienaar had been replaced by Leon Osman, it was anybody's game and though some of their slow build-up play was often reminiscent of the recent goalless draws against Tottenham and Crystal Palace – all sideways movement and over-elaboration – you started to feel that Everton were sensing an opportunity. Whereas previous attempts to win on this ground by scoring early had been met with a swift rebuke by United's superiority, tonight offered the chance to score late and leave the opposition little time to respond.

And so it proved. Coleman was chopped down unceremoniously by Antonio Valencia in a dangerous area 25 yards from the United goal and Mirallas stepped up to whip a stunning free kick off the outside of the post. Everton kept the ball, though, with Deulofeu making one attempt to dance his way through but he was tackled by Chris Smalling. The move appeared to have broken down when Oviedo seemed to badly overhit a cross from the left but Coleman collected the loose ball on the right flank, moved it inside to McCarty who, in turn, fed Jagielka who had stayed forward, and he picked Lukaku out in the box with a crisp pass.

The Belgian striker's subsequent effort, whether aimed at goal or just despatching the ball into the danger area in front of De Gea's goal, eluded everyone and skidded to the back post where Oviedo met it on the run and slid an unerring shot into the United net to unleash bedlam among the travelling Blues.

The onslaught that would surely have come from a Ferguson side didn't really materialise; something in the universe had shifted and United looked a beaten side, particularly as everything they were now throwing at Everton was being rebuffed by a rearguard typified by a towering display by Jagielka. Indeed, it was Everton who looked more likely to score and but Deulofeu tried an audacious chip that was never going to beat the keeper so close to his line and a couple of other marauding runs forward by he and Lukaku were shut down by the opposition defence.

Four minutes of injury time predictably bled towards five but the final whistle came and with it the realisation that Everton had done something that had eluded five managers before Martinez found the key to victory at Old Trafford.

This time it was different.

In complete fairness to David Moyes, in his various attempts to "get out of there alive", Everton have played well on this ground in recent seasons and not won but probably not since that 3-0 victory behind goals by Mo Johnston, Peter Beardsley and Robert Warszycha in 1992 has an Everton side dared attack Manchester United in such numbers so consistently. Though they were let down by poor decisions or distribution in the final third, attacks were routinely supported by five or six blue shirts and that was not the case even a few short weeks ago.

To have approached this kind of game with such a risk-on attitude, typified by the regular sight of both fullbacks bombing forward simultaneously or Jagielka, a central defender, lurking on the edge of the opposition area during a sustained attack four minutes from time, was a mark of Martinez's confidence and, ultimately, the key to this wonderful success.

Of course, it would not have been possible without a tremendous defensive performance, sterling work by Howard, and an eventual suffocation of the space in midfield by the likes of Barry and McCarthy despite fatigue setting in in the second half. Put simply, it was a victory earned by a terrific team performance on the back of maximum effort by every player in Blue; Moyes-style grit and determination pushed over the top by Martinez-style invention and positivity.

Yes, this time it was different. Can it be again on Sunday?

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Graham Holliday
662 Posted 05/12/2013 at 07:47:16
That third paragraph is glorious. I noticed Seamus' delirium also. Well in Blues... onto the next one eh.
Peter O'Connor
664 Posted 05/12/2013 at 07:56:12
I think Seamus was looking to see if there was a linesman's flag to disallow the goal.

Cracking result, let's build on it.

Hope is back.

Chad Schofield
669 Posted 05/12/2013 at 07:53:28
I hope so Lyndon! I really do hope we can go to the Emirates and turn them over... but what a result!

The nerves were not there and while we did ride our luck at times we did not play back against the wall stuff. Can you imagine more than one player being in their half after we scored had the managers been managing the other's team?!

Wow, wow, wow... I can't say I expected anything quite as good as this when we got RM. I know there's still a long way to go in the season and we'll undoubtedly have some hiccups... but it's great, truly great not to be screaming about delayed substitutions, draws snatched from wins, stubborn selections or rabbit in headlight inevitable defeats.

Yes, maybe Pienaar could have come off a bit earlier... but there's no screaming (at the stuttering laptop in last night's instance).

Thing's are really great where RM's involved!

Also talking of celebrations, it was great to see Oviedo on Distin's massive shoulders at the end with the Everton players derservedly celebrating in front of the away supporters! Fantastic stuff!

Matt Traynor
681 Posted 05/12/2013 at 08:25:22
Chad #669, I wasn't overly surprised - maybe didn't expect it to happen first off, but during his time at Wigan, Martinez took that side to places like the Emirates and Anfield and got wins. Yes, he also came away from some games on the back of hidings, but he always was capable of coming away with what the rest of the footballing fraternity would classify as a "freak" result.

Re the celebrations, it was amazing how quickly the players get on twitter after - including our two loan stars Deulofeu and Lukaku (I consider Barry one of us, if we don't do the deal in Jan, it'll be done at the season end). They must be on their smart phones before getting in the showers!

Lukaku posted a picture of his celebration, linked to his instagram account. The comments from followers were "Stay with us laaaa" from the Blues and "Oi remember you belong to Chelsea" from their fans.

Richard Tarleton
682 Posted 05/12/2013 at 08:50:36
Marvellous! We'll win at Anfield next time.Nighmare scenario has hit me. United bid for our great attacking left back and Oviedo goes, then Moyes is sacked and they notice young Martinez ...
Matt Butlin
686 Posted 05/12/2013 at 09:10:21
Folks, check out @daveywallbank on twitter. Seems he spoke to Moyes, Woods etc after the game.
Kevin Tully
687 Posted 05/12/2013 at 09:10:55
After Wigan won the Cup, I said Utd picked the wrong man.

Nothing has changed that view, but now even Utd fans are in agreement.

Martinez said the mentality at the club needed changing, what a fraud Moyes was.

Craig Walker
690 Posted 05/12/2013 at 09:25:14
I said that I wanted Martinez as our manager as soon as Wigan played us off the park last season. I put it on FaceBook and got laughed at. "Without Moyes you'll be relegated". This club has been crying out for someone to put the School of Science back into our present and not just something in our past. Martinez is doing that. He'll make mistakes but you can't help feeling that he understands Everton. At the moment it looks like a perfect fit. Moyes would have had Heitinga or Neville in centre midfield last night. We now have a manager who has set a target of 70 points. For 11 years we had a manager who wanted us to get 40 points.
John Bourne
693 Posted 05/12/2013 at 09:48:40
The silence from the Nameless One's fan base is deafening this morning.

I've just read through the Red Cafe match day forum, it begins with arrogance and ends with despair.

Priceless, just priceless.

Matt Butlin
697 Posted 05/12/2013 at 09:57:38
Have a read.

@daveywallbank: Moyes 'after 11 years it's a disgrace how the fans treated me tonight. From how I found them to how I left them.....a f#####g disgrace'

Derek Thomas
711 Posted 05/12/2013 at 10:36:20
Moyes ' ...from how I ( ' I' ffs ) found them '.

Kenwright gave YOU a chance based on Walters say so. Found, 'kin Found !

The only ' Found ' you are is Found Out and Found Wanting.

Mark Taylor
713 Posted 05/12/2013 at 10:19:37
John 693,

I'll rise to your bait- a little.

Set aside all the bad feelings and deal with the facts, namely that Moyes achieved an average position of a around 7.5 on a net spend that from recollection, was around 16th or 17th in the PL. In other words, he over achieved based on a reasonable yardstick of how much money the club has got to spend on players. The key point here is that this was not for half a season or a few seasons but for over a decade. If you took his last 7 seasons, the average finishing position was even higher, roughly 6th.

Obviously those of us who recall the great teams of the 80's and late 60's might regard an average finish of 6th or 7th to be a little disappointing but I think in the context of the money flooding into the likes of Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs, that was a very creditable performance. To dismiss it out of hand is absurd. Even now, unless Kenwright finally finds a buyer and/or the magic money tree, I think RM will do well to match that record is he stays for the next 7 seasons.

I think once you accept that, then it is reasonable to consider the negatives about Moyes; that apart from a few brief periods, he tended to play turgid football; that he never won a cup and sometimes never tried to, playing second string sides; that although skilled at beating the lesser sides, he never beat the top sides; that part of the reason for that was that he was too defeatist and never 'had a go' at the top sides; that the conclusion from the preceding is that he had by definition, taken us as far as we could possibly go under his management.

I can also see that his behaviour since leaving has not been endearing. In particular, I thought his comments about Everton being so well organised (because of him) that we don't really need a manager was crass, even if meant in humour. Let's face it, that should apply to Man U, unless Moyes thinks he is a better manager than SAF, and look at the mess they are now in. But however badly he behaves, the record described above doesn't change and at the very least, it was a good one given his resources.

For all that, I'm not in his 'fan base'. He once managed Everton, now he doesn't, so I'm not bothered how he does now- in fact I'm as amused as any to see him struggle at Man U. RM is the manager now, we need to get behind him and like everyone else, I've been impressed with what I've seen so far. I'm also excited by what looks to be our best squad for several decades, even if three of them our loans who might not be with us beyond this year.

But also, let's not get ahead of ourselves. We are barely a third through RM's first season. It's gone better than many expected. Maybe, just maybe, we could break through the glass ceiling at last. Hopefully he will do better than Moyes over the next 5 or 10 years. But let's reserve final judgement till then.

John Keating
716 Posted 05/12/2013 at 10:54:04
I shouldn't really, but, it has to be mentioned.
Remember the words of many last season ?
"Be careful what you wish for"
Well I think last night, from the totally positive thinking of the Manager and players, to the actual performance, answers the question !
OFM deserved everything he got last night, the result and the comments from us lot !!
Ross Edwards
719 Posted 05/12/2013 at 10:56:00
Matt, thanks for posting that. It really does show his arrogance laid bare, considering the fact that he won nothing whatsover, and considering that that he won 0 in 44 away at the big 4.

Maybe its sour grapes.

Moyes- played 44 won 0- drew 16- lost 27

Roberto- played 1- won 1- drew 0- lost 0

Ally Ally oh we're Everton FC, Roberto's Blue Army!

David Who?

Ross Edwards
720 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:00:15
Alos, Bill didn't find you Davey. Walter recommended you.
Kevin Tully
723 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:01:52
Don't you love those 1000 word responses quoting net spend bollocks (So if Spurs spent £99m this window the manager should be excused, in some warped debate?) stating they are glad ginge has gone?
Brent Stephens
728 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:24:29
I'd describe it as a consummate performance - though that's something to do with somebody ending up getting a fucking. Ah! yes, definitely a consummate performance!
Steve Brown
730 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:22:56
Now that Evertonians everywhere seem to have put the Moyes reign to rest by sticking it right up his team at OT last night, how do Evertonians view his 11 years in charge? Does he compare favourably to the HKII, HKIII, Mike Walker, Joe Royle, Walter Smith period?

Serious question rather than a provocative one....For me Big Joe was the best.

Ross Edwards
734 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:41:21
Below Joe Royle but above the others.
Barry Rathbone
735 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:41:37
Steve, Moyes never managed here he accumulated players (mostly utility players) and bided his time like an old tramp dossing.

We have a "manager" now - the difference is chalk and cheese.

Paul Thompson
736 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:28:49
It will be a pity if this thread is derailed into another one all about Moyes, because that was a characteristically incisive and fair analysis of the game and our current situation from Lyndon.

'This time it was different' and as Lyndon and other posters have rightly said a key difference is mentality. Whatever other merits Moyes had there seems little doubt that his safety first approach in big games transmitted itself to the players. We are now seeing that change as Jags said in his post-match interview on Match of the Day. I was looking at a Utd website after the game and they were saying that they couldn't believe they were being attacked with such verve at 80 mins.

But it's not just mentality, it's players. A midfield with Barkley, Barry and McCarthy in it is a different proposition in terms of skill and energy. With Deuofelou, Mirallas and Lukaku up front we can counter attack with pace. This all makes the difference and helps raise everyone's game. May not be too connected, but Tim Howard has been outstanding recently.

Clearly, there are limits. Three of the key players are not ours. The most exciting of them - Deuofelou, Barkley and Lukaku - have a lot to learn, particularly in their decision-making skills. But it's a great time to be a Blue and a lot of that is down to Martinez. Let's stop obsessing about Moyes.

Dean Adams
737 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:09:38
We had a corner in the second half. Every United player was in the 18 yard box. Typical of the Moyes tactics that we endured. When they had a corner only 9 men were in the box, good on you Bobby.

The so called glass ceiling was truely above Moyes head and not EFC. Believing in positivity seems to be Bobby's mantra. Lets hope we keep this going.

John Boon
739 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:20:13
I think it is ridiculous and a waste of energy to spend any more time complaining about Moyes. He really did pull us out of the mire, but didn't have the imagination to go any further. We need only be satisfied that we seem to have acquired an astute manager who is capable of getting the best out of a group of talented players.

I have watched EVERTON since 1948 and have seen many ups and downs. Fans are always annoyed when managers insult EVERTON by leaving for what they consider a "bigger" challenge. Howard Kendal for one....but he came back. Moyes considered Preston and Everton as jobs and employment. Eventually it went to his head and now he seems to be "lost". I really don't care. Lots of more successful managers have left clubs....and later fallen flat on their ambitious faces. I am glad that he has left. He also left us with some reasonably pleasant memories.

He is not an evil ogre. FORGET ABOUT HIM and enjoy a new progressive manager.......and you "faithful" fans stick by him when we lose a few games......because we will ,at some time. Now let us go and vanquish the Gunners.
Ray Roche
740 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:40:10
Yes, Steve, in his comparatively brief tenure, Royle won the fans over with his all tackling, all action style and topped it off with a Cup win, so Royle would be my choice as well and lets not forget, he is one of us. There were no derogatory comments or downright lies after he left, either. Whether Royle could have taken us any further is something we'll never know. However, Mark Taylor does have a point, Moyes DID drag us up from where we were, but he outstayed his welcome and in the end, we were mostly glad to see the back of him and his dour, negative style and personality.
Mark Taylor
747 Posted 05/12/2013 at 12:03:18
Kevin 723

That is aimed at me I presume but if you think transfer spend isn't a pretty big factor in how well your team does, you are not watching the same PL as me. If you think the results we achieved under Moyes were poor, believe me you are in a tiny minority in the football world generally.

John 739 has got this about right as have a few others. He did a decent job for us, for a sustained period, has left and is now making a bit of a fool of himself. But who cares? This is the Martinez reign and hopefully it will take us a step further.

Kevin Tully
749 Posted 05/12/2013 at 12:13:36
Mark - every net spend argument had been proven a dead duck by a certain Mr Wenger. Minus net spend most seasons and C.L. qualification for the past 17 years or so.

Moyes achieved an average League finish a couple of places above our wage bill. He got £4m a season for it, and was lauded as a miracle worker.

Hopefully, every blue will see the light after last night - he was a fraud.

Raymond Fox
752 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:57:26
A wonderfully written account of the game Lyndon, thanks.
It takes me awhile to even put a shortish post together!

The result at OT I am certain is only the start, as RM says we can get a lot better.

Our manager oozes class, & what I like about him is that every time he opens his mouth, you can hear what a really capable & intelligent man he is.

Brian Harrison
753 Posted 05/12/2013 at 12:23:05
Kevin Arsenal under Wenger have spent a lot more than us over the past 10 years, and if he hadn't been so stubborn and spent the money that was available as he has done this season with £42 million for Ozil then they could have been challenging for the title on many of the last 10 years. Also look at what they spend on under 16 academy players. Also apart from Ashley Cole who apart from lately Wilshire has he produced from the youth at Arsenal very little considering the money they spend.
Aidan Wade
757 Posted 05/12/2013 at 11:41:31
Fantastic report Lyndon, the hairs on the back of my neck have been stood to attention since last night.

Good post Mark, time will tell as it usually does but for the time being (until Sunday) I'm prepared to just sit and revel in the present.

Have a meeting now with a Utd fan. I think I'll say nothing, just catch his eye and smile a little.

Lee Courtliff
759 Posted 05/12/2013 at 12:29:02
Personally, I don't have a problem with Moyes.

He did a good job and brought us some respect back.

We were a laughing stock before he took over.

Fair enough, some of his comments could have been better since he left us.

I don't really care what he says now. I'm just enjoying having a manager who is positive. On and off the pitch.

It makes such a difference.

Bobby has been brilliant so far...........I just hope he keeps it going for a long time to come.

Ste Traverse
763 Posted 05/12/2013 at 12:52:22
Knife to a Gunfight.

Punching above our weight.

Finishing 7th for us is the equalivant of winning the Champions League.

I'm sure I could find more 'gems' off Moyes if I could be arsed looking.

David Moyes spent years trying to make our club look like plucky minnows...be we returned to our true 'giant' status last night.

Jackie Barry
766 Posted 05/12/2013 at 13:14:16
Lee, I think Moyes did some good for the club but in the end I think he held us back with his overall attitude. He never believed he could do any better and maybe he couldn't but you should let that be known and affect the players own beliefs.
Jackie Barry
767 Posted 05/12/2013 at 13:21:54
Sorry that should say - "should not"
Tony McNulty
770 Posted 05/12/2013 at 13:42:04
“You can either throw in the towel or use it to wipe the sweat off your face,” says Oveido on Twitter.

Apparently he learned the expression last season in the Everton dressing room. OFM used to suggest that our players should use the towel to wipe something else prior to big away games. Any suggestions? The prize is a pair-growing kit and the opportunity to share a season ticket with a prawn sandwich.

Scott Hamilton
773 Posted 05/12/2013 at 13:39:37
There are so many ex-RS players working as pundits these days that the media's view of Everton has been completely skewed.

After every decent performance of recent years MotD or Sky's post-match chat would be filled with how well Moyes had done with "little old Everton". Any positive comments were reserved almost solely for Moyes or for stand-out players that were clearly using us a stepping-stone before moving on to a "big club". To a degree I think many of us Blues had begun to buy into that mindset.

What utter unadulterated joy it is to see that, on the whole, they were talking complete bollocks!

All of a sudden we're now seeing the media incorporate criticisms of Moyes that sound familiar to most Blues as part of Utd's post-match reviews. More importantly, everyone is taking note that - far from being "little old Everton" - the mighty Blue sleeping giant is waking up and doing so at a time when their appears to be a reshuffling of power in the Premier League.

Many more nights like last night please Roberto and the boys!

I'm asking Santa for a win at the weekend and then a steamrolling attack at a top 3 position. (Secretly though I'm hoping that he'll be more generous than that!)

Ian Burns
774 Posted 05/12/2013 at 13:00:05
Great report Lyndon - I bet you enjoyed writing that one!!

In simple terms, RM is giving the real EFC back to its supporters; living by his own mantra of sin miedo and incorporating it into our own mantra of the School of Science.

Long may it continue - what a terrific night and what a terrific performance.

Arsenal? - I will think about them on Sunday morning!

Jackie Barry
775 Posted 05/12/2013 at 13:58:58
Loving the deluded United fans' comments, they think we were lucky and did not deserve to win, LOL. Many comments coming from people who have only watched MotD highlights, very frustrating because they need to watch the full 90! Yes Man Utd hit the post twice but we also hit the post and had Delboy one-on-one with their keeper. The truth is we were the better team overall — and it's about time it got reported as that.
Craig Walker
777 Posted 05/12/2013 at 14:03:32
I'm happily married with a 3 year old son but RM is seriously making me question my sexuality.

I read a thing on Twitter earlier that said Moyes was like a bloke who had left his wife for a hot chick only to find out that she was a bloke.

Being serious though. I think RM understood Everton early on in a way that Moyes never did. Moyes was all about being difficult to beat and giving 100 percent. I thought Moyes would get Everton back and his People's Club tag was great at the time. To a certain extent he put pride back in us Blues but when it came down to the crunch he believed in his head that Everton were a plucky little club, punching above its weight. The semi-final capitulation was the final straw for me.

RM's first week had him reading everything he could about Everton and our history. His PR skills are second-to-none. He invited Kendall to Finch Farm. Astonishingly, something OFM never did. Was this because it might have reminded him what a big club Everton actually is?

I keep saying it but do you honestly think RM would have played Phil Neville in midfield so many times? That tells you all you need to know about their differing playing styles and how we have progressed.

Moyes set us out to get 40 points each season.
RM has set a target of 70 — That says it all!

RM talks about ways of breaking the top 4 by changing the way you play etc. Moyes believed we could play one way and one way only because of our lack of financial strength. Surely if you try to retain possession, you can be harder to beat. It's common sense.

I've read some comments from Moyes today inferring that Lukaku is the difference. That is a slightly simplistic argument, Davey. We bought some good strikers in Moyes's time and he systematically ruined each and every one of them. My abiding memory of AJ was holding his thumb up to Neville after chasing one of his punts into the corner. It happened countless times, every game. It's all conjecture but I think Yakubu and AJ would have thrived under RM.

Another point I'd like to make. To all those doubters who said "he got Wigan relegated". How are Wigan doing without him? I think he did miracles making them as competitive as he did and always thought he would do well with better players. So far, he is proving that to be the case.

Ian Burns
779 Posted 05/12/2013 at 13:56:20
Scott - 773 - exceptionally good post and good points raised
Lee Courtliff
780 Posted 05/12/2013 at 14:32:46
Jackie Barry - I agree entirely. Sometimes Moyes drove me crazy with his stubbornness and 'knife' comments. I just think we should remember how truly awful we were when he took over. Bobby has inherited a much better squad than what Moyes did. He was a good manager for us............just not quite good enough it would seem. To be honest I wish him well in his career. Once he leaves Manure.
Wayne Smyth
785 Posted 05/12/2013 at 14:58:27
Mark Taylor (713), we didn't spend 16th or 17th highest in the premier league under Moyes. Do you have anything to back that up? Are you simply looking at transfer spend and ignoring wages?

Under Moyes we spent about 8th or 9th highest and finished 7th-ish. About 75% of our considerable turnover was given to Moyes each season....and we turnover more than most.

Given the stability, control and lack of pressure he was given to work under, I think that's a reasonable return, but nothing amazing. 4th during the 04/05 season was amazing given where we were having lost rooney, but if you take his reign as a whole he did a decent job, nothing more.

Wayne Smyth
791 Posted 05/12/2013 at 15:12:14
Paul 736 - You're correct to state that our line up with the addition of Martinez's players is a different proposition than we've had in the past, but I wouldn't get too hung up on the fact some of them are loans.

Firstly, two are still likely to be here next season. Barry on a free and Deulofeu on his second season option. Lukaku will probably be gone, but Martinez will have had a good chance to run the rule over Kone, Jelavic, Mirallas and anyone from our youth team as replacements, or identify suitable replacements.

Secondly, the players that are under contract are not a lot more stable. Fellaini, Baines, both under contract, one gone, the other maybe out the door soon.

I think the loans have worked well for us. We needed quick signings on deadline day, we got players of a quality we could never have bought outright who've all made an immediate impact and given us a real chance of CL qualification. Martinez has bought time to identify long term targets too.

Michael Coffey
792 Posted 05/12/2013 at 15:22:29
What are the chances of Moyes being manager of Wigan by the end of the season? Now that would be funny...

Maybe Dave Whelan has had it all thought through.

Jim Harrison
796 Posted 05/12/2013 at 15:21:49
Great game, awesome result, team really turning it on. But lets debate again whether Moyes did a good job or not. All over giving the guy a ribbing, but why do we have to babble on every time and make these comparisons? Lets revel in the glory of this result and save the pointless discussions for the international break
Mike Gaynes
815 Posted 05/12/2013 at 16:08:30
Regarding Moyes, my eye was caught by Lyndon's comment that he would not have played Oviedo yesterday. That bewilders me, because Moyes was the guy who discovered Oviedo on the back bench at Copenhagen and signed him. Oviedo had the bad luck to be playing behind one of the best in the world, a star who never seemed to get injured until now. But I don't think there's a reason in the world to believe Moyes wouldn't have given his own signee the shot he had been waiting for -- as he had done years earlier with Baines, Jags and Pienaar (another forgotten player rescued by Moyes from obscurity).
Nick Entwistle
821 Posted 05/12/2013 at 16:33:43
Like many people up and down the country last night I found my self in the pub having the same conversation.

'So you're telling me, no matter where we go, everywhere is showing Swansea Newcastle?'

Missed the Utd game, missed the Stoke game. But when I heard it was 0-0 at half time I a lot more positive than my Utd mate.

Howard's goal looked to lead a charmed life with the 'shots at goal' highlights online, with De Gueuaueua kept busy. So can't say much else.

Arsenal at the weekend, will be good to see this form taken there to see what we can do...

PS, how did Fellaini do?

Mike Gaynes
827 Posted 05/12/2013 at 17:26:49
Nick, Fellaini didn't play badly, but he didn't have much of an impact either. And he left a mark on McCarthy's thigh that looked like something out of the latest "Wolverine" movie.

What was most striking about Fellaini was the obvious affection shown him by his former mates both before and after the game. He and Jags and Distin had a warm moment together at the end.

James Martin
832 Posted 05/12/2013 at 17:31:50
Mike we can't say much about the Fellaini tackle considering Mirallas did a replica on Suarez and McCarthy is no saint.

Watching Fellaini reminded me of what we haven't missed one bit. Slow, cumbersome and constantly out of position he was a chore to watch and he wasn't even on our team. Barkley had the freedom of the pitch to run at the United defense. Where was the 'world class' defensive mid then? About 30 yards behind with his hair flapping in the wind. It would be interesting to see United's record this season with or without Fellaini. He was and is Moyes' biggest mistake and I am thankful every game he was stupid enough to buy him off us. Barry is twice the player that clown is.

Brent Stephens
837 Posted 05/12/2013 at 17:44:46
Loved that playful headbutt by Distin on Fellainin after the final whistle.
Nick Entwistle
838 Posted 05/12/2013 at 17:42:39
That's unfair on Mo the Fro James. He was our top scorer a couple of times and was often the key man. Utd paid top dollar for him, but is definitely a £20m player. As with Gibson, he needs the right man to play with. Don't think Utd have him though. January window, for all the teams around us, will be crucial.
Nick Entwistle
840 Posted 05/12/2013 at 17:47:34
Crucial not the word, more fascinating... as much as a January window can be.
Andy Crooks
846 Posted 05/12/2013 at 17:51:54
Nick, I understand your frustration. My local had the Swansea game on.
Tim Greeley
851 Posted 05/12/2013 at 17:56:28
"Up in the stands, 3,000 jubilant Evertonians who have waited so long to taste victory in this arena, against this former peer before the crushing inequity of the Premier League era thrust such a deep divide between the two clubs, simply erupted."

That's damn good writing!!

And I should know... I can read!

Lyndon Lloyd
852 Posted 05/12/2013 at 17:47:42
Mike G: "Regarding Moyes, my eye was caught by Lyndon's comment that he would not have played Oviedo yesterday. That bewilders me, because Moyes was the guy who discovered Oviedo on the back bench at Copenhagen and signed him. "

That he did, Mike, but I can only go on Moyes's record when he was Everton manager and in games like this the mentality was one of safety and experience first. I'm fairly sure he would have played Distin or Barry at left back and Heitinga in central defence alongside Jagielka.

Signing a player is one thing; having the confidence in that player to do a job without spending months bedding him is another. Remember, though he signed Baines, he played Lescott out of position for a long time while his new £6m fullback sat on the bench. That was Moyes's modus operandi as EFC manager, Martinez clearly has another, more cavalier approach.

Nick Entwistle
853 Posted 05/12/2013 at 17:59:47
It was the only game anywhere apparently. There were a bunch of Swansea fans in the pub going crazy though. Entertainment in itself and had the rest of the pub cheering with them.
Gary Mortimer
855 Posted 05/12/2013 at 18:03:31
James @832 "Mike we can't say much about the Fellaini tackle considering Mirallas did a replica on Suarez and McCarthy is no saint."

But didn't the media bang on about Kev's tackle for days.... Fellaini's scrape wasn't even shown on MOTD. Do you think that if he'd been wearing a blue shirt and he'd done that to a Man U player it wouldn't have been jumped on by the media?

As for Fellaini's performance - he didn't look interested to me.

Ray Roche
857 Posted 05/12/2013 at 18:09:02
James, 832, and to think, there were posters on here in September incandescent with fury at the thought that Fellaini could be leaving for only £20m...
Andy Crooks
860 Posted 05/12/2013 at 18:17:15
Nick, is a "bunch" the collective noun for Swansea fans?
Nick Entwistle
861 Posted 05/12/2013 at 18:19:43
A nest of Swansea fans?
Paul Kelly
903 Posted 05/12/2013 at 20:27:36
Sublime, quality. Taking immense pleasure in sticking two fingers up ( in the air ) to TGT. Loved RM comments about how it was a special game, seeing as we hadn't won there in years, brilliant.

Mark Taylor
940 Posted 05/12/2013 at 22:21:20
Kevin 749

Been out working so couldn't reply earlier.

Wenger is the oft cited exception to the rule and I've cited him myself elsewhere in recent days as an example of how judicious trading and in our case, some smart loans, can go a long way. But he is the exception, and in the end, they are in London and have a 60,000 seat stadium and have you actually checked out what their gate receipts are? From memory they are about quadruple ours.

Much as I respect Wenger, the circumstances are a little different.

Moyes is gone, time to move on, and we can all have a laugh at his current predicament but I simply don't buy the idea of denigrating his results here, certainly not till I see what RM can do over the next 7 years to compare rather than 13 weeks. If he does better, I will be very, very impressed and based on what we've seen so far, I don't rule it out.

Mark Taylor
943 Posted 05/12/2013 at 22:29:00
Wayne 785

I'm taklking about net transfer spend and I think it was over 10 years. The shorter you make that (e.g 5 years) the worse it actually gets.

Granted net transfer spend is not everything but in 2011/12, we were for example 10th highest wage payers.

Moyes basically over performed. Even if you hate him, that is the fact. If RM can beat him, then fanstastic, but let's judge that after a few years.

Bob Parrington
950 Posted 05/12/2013 at 21:38:07
I have a lot of respect for the comments of Mark Taylor #713. Moyes did a lot for Everton, not the least of which was to provide stability/consistency. This set the foundation for what is happening now.

I don't think we should devalue his contribution just because he has moved on. Yes, perhaps he was dour and inclined to the negative but he did bring in to the club most of the current squad that RM has built on. Long may this continue.

Bobby Thomas
957 Posted 05/12/2013 at 23:17:37
Sorry to burst peoples Joe Royle bubble but... I thought in his last season he spunked £6 million on Barmby and didn't have a clue what to do with him, lost 5/6 league games on the spin, got done by Bradford in the FA Cup at home – the season after the "watershed" at Port Vale, was just about to resign Barry Horne and left us with a squad so thin, about 14 senior players, that we had to recall Paul Rideout from Christ knows where to play centre-mid.
Nick Entwistle
959 Posted 05/12/2013 at 23:51:39
Royle's problem is that he sold off the cup final squad in about 18 months, making way for the Madar era. He just missed out on Europe in '96 and once Kanchelskis went on a downer, so did the club.
Gerry Quinn
960 Posted 06/12/2013 at 00:01:18
On a side note, but still keeping with the "This time it was different" theme, how refreshing to see a referee not "bend" towards the Old Trafford howlings! Much as I detest Atkinson, he played quite a genuine part in keeping this game flowing and I thought his decision making was positive and mostly correct. Yes, he missed the Fellaini tackle big time, but other than that, he gave a very solid performance and good grip on the game.
Phil Sammon
964 Posted 06/12/2013 at 00:13:48
Totally agree, Gerry. I thought he did very well. Not a perfect performance, but just the fact that he remained impartial was refreshing to see at Old Trafford.
Albert Perkins
991 Posted 06/12/2013 at 03:32:59
The attacking theme was most apparent to me when I was shocked to see how many times Jags stormed forward to the edge of the opposition box. And the goal resulted from his astute through ball.
I wonder what Wenger is thinking now.
Anthony Lewis
023 Posted 06/12/2013 at 09:42:07
I've just watched the 3 minute highlights again (for the umpteenth time) just so I could see Coleman's reaction. And quite frankly it is fecking awesome. Thanks for pointing that one out to us.

How refreshing to have 2 full backs in the six yard box (Oviedo almost, so let's just say he was ;)) and a centre half on the edge of the 18 yard box when we scored in the 86th. I've not seen an Everton team do that for nearly 30 years.

Absolutely sumptuous report too Lyndon, best one yet, to go with the best result for yonks.

Rahman Talib
043 Posted 06/12/2013 at 11:37:55
I think Ross Barkley cannot pass... there, I've said it.
Mike Oates
084 Posted 06/12/2013 at 14:40:51
Fantastic to be a blue and watch a manager send his team out to be arrogant, decisive, attacking, pacy !!!! (never thought I'd ever say that with Moysie around) .

Though as an Evertonian for 60 years I still always have predominantly negative thought when we play the big lads and I just feel that on Sunday Arsenal may well be the team to take advantage of our recent form, where for every chance we create, we also give a chance to the opposition. We could have score 3 more against Liverpool but also they could have scored 3 more against us, and UTD also missed a number of excellent chances. Some day ... it wont come off for us - hope to God its not on Sunday.

Steve Brown
090 Posted 06/12/2013 at 15:24:09
Nobody is needing to over-psych themselves for the Arsenal game... quiet confidence exudes across TW. We will go into that game thinking we can win, and quite rightly so.
Eugene Kearney
097 Posted 06/12/2013 at 15:55:04
Great result - and a great duck broken at last.
Great post, John Boon 739.
Solo lo mejor!
The future is BLUE!!
Gerry Quinn
122 Posted 06/12/2013 at 18:21:57
Mike Oates #084 - guaranteed it will come against Sunderland when their striker hasn’t scored one all season or their defence hasn’t kept a clean sheet since 1978!!!! It wouldn’t be our lovable Everton to crack other teams miserable records, now would it? Ha.
Harold Matthews
251 Posted 07/12/2013 at 04:48:35
James. We all know how much you hate Fellaini. Despite his awkward style he was probably the best and busiest of their midfielders. Giggs was almost invisible.
Paul Ferry
516 Posted 08/12/2013 at 00:35:18
Late in the day, I'm sorry, most of us have read this but for those who have not this blog by McNulty so far as I can see gets zilch wrong.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25226263

Jimmy Sørheim
529 Posted 08/12/2013 at 02:51:08
What amazes me is the wage Moyes got compared to RM. Moyes was on a £65k-a-week contract, Moyes should be thanking Everton for him getting the Man Utd job.

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