Just heard he has now been sacked. He'll get another job soon, but necer again for a team that wants attacking football.

The difference here was Rooney. He had the worst game I've ever seen him play. He ran and ran but I don't remember for all his positioning once doing something decent with the ball. You'd question him going to the WC on that performance.

Now the season is coming to a close...

Want to admit you were wrong about Martinez?

Want to admit you were wrong about Moyes?

At the start of the season you said I knew nothing about football if I thought Everton could overtake Man Utd, I told you you knew nothing about football history if you thought it couldn't. Want to admit you were wrong about that ?

We lost in exactly the same way against Palace. Everton on a bad day. No big deal.

We absolutely did not. Did you actually bother to watch either game? Whatever you want to say about that Palace defeat and some of the sub-par performances from our players, one thing you can't lay at their door was a lack of fight and determination to try and salvage something until the final whistle. One of those teams was a broken down, will-sapped shadow of it's former self, playing with no plan, pride or passion. The other team was managed by Roberto Martinez.

Oh, and the reason that united had 'all the possession, did all the attacking' was because they played right into Roberto's gameplan. Everton could have kept the ball and played it about without any in attempt at penetration whenever they wanted. It was a pre-meditated choice not to.

We absolutely did not. Did you actually bother to watch either game? Whatever you want to say about that Palace defeat and some of the sub-par performances from our players, one thing you can't lay at their door was a lack of fight and determination to try and salvage something until the final whistle. One of those teams was a broken down, will-sapped shadow of it's former self, playing with no plan, pride or passion. The other team was managed by Roberto Martinez.

Oh, and the reason that united had 'all the possession, did all the attacking' was because they played right into Roberto's gameplan. Everton could have kept the ball and played it about without any in attempt at penetration whenever they wanted. It was a pre-meditated choice not to.

We absolutely did not. Did you actually bother to watch either game? Whatever you want to say about that Palace defeat and some of the sub-par performances from our players, one thing you can't lay at their door was a lack of fight and determination to try and salvage something until the final whistle. One of those teams was a broken down, will-sapped shadow of it's former self, playing with no plan, pride or passion. The other team was managed by Roberto Martinez.

Oh, and the reason that united had 'all the possession, did all the attacking' was because they played right into Roberto's gameplan. Everton could have kept the ball and played it about without any in attempt at penetration whenever they wanted. It was a pre-meditated choice not to.

Still steadfastly refusing to see what's right in front of your nose even if it's Big Daddy sized, decked out in day-glo comedy keks, complete with blinking lights and a camp, crackly recorded message saying 'Yoo-Hoo! Over here Nicky boy... you blind c##t'?

We're nowhere near being in agreement if you consider the Everton performance against Palace to be in any way comparable to Man Uniteds total capitulation against us.

The simple point (if it really needs spelling out) was that the two performances were not 'exactly the same'.

Big difference between this and the Palace game was that we got the first goal. That makes a huge difference to us and is something we've got to work on.

We all get things wrong. I remember saying on these pages that Moyes wouldn't get a better job. Never been so happy to be wrong.

The main thing is that the 'rubbish' manager stays here. If he does, I'm really looking forward to next season, regardless of what happens in the next three games.

I'll think we'll leave it there as the Utd sacking is making people a little excited.

I saw both games and there were plenty of similarities. The big one being the team who scored fist controlled the game.

From our perspective, that similarity was the actual big difference - we've got to learn how to deal with going a goal down and we have to sort out the corners at both ends of the pitch.

Palace didn't sucker us, they were just more direct and more clinical. In the end, all that really matters is scoring more goals than your opponents, but that doesn't mean all wins are the same. Looking at possession stats in isolation tells you very little.