Column 103comments | Jump to last This article may have been recategorised and is therefore no longer available at this URL. You can try to find the updated link in the article archive. Share article: Reader Comments (103) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer Kane Dennison 1 Posted 03/05/2014 at 16:53:08 Interesting.. 3-5-2? Formation, I like that... or is Jags playing in midfield? Paul Andrews 2 Posted 03/05/2014 at 16:58:43 Definitely a back 3.Full backs playing like wingers. Outnumber them in central midfield 3 to 2Looks like a side that will beat City to me. Phil Roberts 4 Posted 03/05/2014 at 17:15:04 If Distin is injured why is he on the bench. If he is not injured, why is he not playing.Gutted by the OT result today. Makes our win seem even less specialAnd Ryan Ledson - crikey, he is only 17 in August. That makes him 2nd youngest ever, if he gets on the pitch. Trevor Lynes 5 Posted 03/05/2014 at 17:30:39 It's great to be in a European competition we have a realistic chance of doing well in. Roberto will need really good re-inforcements. Mike Childs 6 Posted 03/05/2014 at 17:44:05 15 minutes in and you just want to kill Lukaku for not putting this kind of effort in last week and against Palace. Mike Childs 7 Posted 03/05/2014 at 18:18:28 Why does Lee Probert hate us? Why do we always seem to get him too? Mike Childs 8 Posted 03/05/2014 at 18:49:32 Hopefully Roberto is taking a lesson here on how to play with the lead. Linda Morrison 9 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:26:57 I am a very happy blue nose. We will finish at least 5th and bearing in mind all our injuries this is fantastic. I know I will be in a minority but would like to sign Lukaka on a contract.Our team have performed well and we should applaud them as for the other lot it is up to them where they finish! Sharabi Singh 10 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:30:40 After the West Ham and Man Utd game I actually thought sod it let Man City win but after Barkley scored I wanted us to win. I know all week I wanted us to lose but the inner Everton fan came out in me. I didnt want to lose. Got to say Hodgson must have been loving see Barkley play the way he did, the guy was awesome. BTW I never heard my dad cheer a goal so much when we scored (hes a Liverpool fan) and Ive never been so quiet! Lets hope this season never happens again. Pete Hughes 11 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:36:40 Linda, yes you are in a minority! Lukaku is a yard dog who couldnt trap a bag of cement! I wouldnt pay more than £7-8M for him! Brian Hennessy 12 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:33:36 Glad that game is over, a no win situation for us.Today however has made my mind up on 2 players.Alcaraz is useless, his defending is terrible and his passing is not much better.Lukaku is worth no more than £10 million, his first touch is and always will be terrible; also, for such a big guy, he doesnt win enough balls in the air against defenders. However, he is a good finisher and will get you about 12-15 goals a season but his poor link-up play will mean whoever plays alongside him will struggle to get 10 goals a season.I would take him on loan again; if not, as I said, no more than £10 million Linda Morrison 13 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:42:06 Brian is right and we are 5th cant believe it after all the injuries. Come on, next season. Anto Byrne 14 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:34:55 Europe here we come. We should have put the shutters up when we scored, at least to half time, and then just played counter-attacking football. We gave them acres of space. Howard should have done better with the first one. Ahh well... thats enough for this season. Adam Baig 15 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:48:51 Declan, I will be writing to the club to ask them to consider filing a formal complaint against that commentary.It was nothing short of slanderous. Paul Andrews 16 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:51:51 Happy days.A few bets have gone down today. James Welford 17 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:47:40 I thought Baines was carrying his less-than-his-normally-high form into the game until the cross. Alcaraz hopefully will go over the summer – I would hope RM will trust in youth rather than him next year.Think today, as on many other occasions since his injury, we missed Bryan Oviedo – I think hed have been the better bet as deep midfielder instead of Ossie. I think the last month has just shown how shallow our squad is with all the injuries weve got. Cant see us doing much more than mid-table next year if there arent additions to the squad with us being in the Europa.Great game of football though! And WHAT A GOAL..... David Greenwood 18 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:58:06 Adam, Dave, just been saying the same thing on the live forum. Absolute scandal. Kieran Fitzgerald 19 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:45:39 A good day overall. I would agree with Linda in regard to the injuries we have had this season. (A silver lining in the shape of Stones though.) Yair Kaye 20 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:51:02 Brian (#13), I agree with you about both Lukaku & Alcaraz. But hey, how I am glad he played today and not Distin. Well timed. Paul Chaloner 21 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:02:11 Ive just accessed facebook. The bile and hatred with patronising comments from RS has cleared my conscience. When I cheered Barkleys goal, I cheered on instinct. Now Ive seen the hatred from the other side Im so glad its out of their hands. Dont blow it, Man City. Btw Alcaraz is a liability, and Ross should go to the World Cup. Spragg Johnson 22 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:05:54 Perfect results all round ... West Ham and Sunderland do us a favour and we do the shite over ... Taking the lead, then giving up three and scoring to make it interesting ... One of Blue Bills scripts?? If you think Tyler was having a moan ... Imagine the others ...Jamie Redknapp, Hansen and Thompson etc ... Cant wait to hear them ... Now lets turn Hull over to end on a high. Jim Lloyd 23 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:02:53 I'm proud of the lads today. Ross Barkley, John Stones were absolutely superb and surely England players for many years. Coleman and Baines were top class as well. They all fought hard against a top class side and played some real good football.A good result as far as I'm concerned. What's even better is the news I'm hearing about all the whinging Kopites and Mancs on the commentary teams. That is scandalous if some of what I've heard is true.Supporters were great today as well. Mike Hughes 24 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:50:07 I deliberately didn't go the match (for more than one reason) and didn't listen to any of it. (I would be interested to hear of any negative spin put on us by the media, though.) This has been a difficult week and I echo comments above that I'm glad it's over.Regardless of the contrasting views, I'm sure everyone wants to best for EFC, albeit the desired outcomes differed widely. I'm glad I didn't lower myself to insulting the opposing Blue view or to whoring my principles and betting / advocating us betting on the RS winning the Prem for potential personal gain.Personally I think this has been a half-decent day for us with us now finishing 5th. Looking down on mega-bucks Man Utd and Spurs is highly satisfying.Fantastic first season for Roberto Martinez. It does feel a little like 1983 with a foundation built for better times ahead. I might start saving up for the European tour now.Onwards and upwards. Nick Entwistle 25 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:06:17 Raggghhhh! Screw right or wrong, this feels better than the Chelsea match last week.When it left Barkley's boot I was off the pub stool in celebration. When it went in the net I sat back down in fear.Saw a guy in City colours urging them on and at half-time I told him my mixed emotions. Turns out he was a Man Utd fan from Denmark and was supporting Man City because he knew what shit he was in for by a Danish colleague if Liverpool were to win the title.His colours were actually that of Brondby away, and told me stories of Gravesen pinning young Denmark players to the floor in World Cups gone by and then pissing all over them. Bizarrely, he then pulled out a West Ham scarf because he also follows them. Three teams for him!Great effort by Everton, though didn't need Kenwright playing to the cameras. Keith Berry 26 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:16:10 About perfectIn racing terms at a stewards enquiry the stewards would have returned "objection overruled"!!!'nb: The fans were brilliant, the silence at 1-1 was deafening. If we'd needed it, we'd have pissed it!!Oh and what was the Stevie Me chant? It didn't carry on the box... Peter Cummings 27 Posted 03/05/2014 at 19:52:06 What we need, and I've said it more than once, is a 'keeper who can dominate his area. I faulted Howard for the first two goals but, like most Evertonians, am sick of us being denied blatant pens as was the case when Barkley was sandwiched and tripped by KompanyToo often. we played possession stuff up to their area and were crowded out time and again, Lukaku was largely ineffective despite scoring and was caught offside on a regular basis, yet again our passing was terrible. I thought Man City were the better team tactically and just about shaded it but my best mate Tommy, a diehard Red, was naturally gutted, but, like us, even though we're only in the Mickey Mouse version of Europe, he'll have plenty to shout about next season. Well Done, The Lads Andy Walker 28 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:12:43 The strangest Everton game I have ever watched in 45 years, heart and head in conflict. Head won out. Vast majority of the crowd were the same, that is, very quite, more like a testimonial. Fans at Goodison were in the main, happy that our loss has caused major problems for the Shite, big picture wins out.Barkley scored a wonderful goal and no doubt Man City will be considering a massive bid for him next season now, oh well...The so-called expert pundits who kept telling us before the match how our fans support wouldn't be affected by the prospect of the result potentially handing the title to the RS, were clearly thrown by the atmosphere and demonstrably shown to be totally wrong. It made them look fools, hence the defence to be critical of us. It's not their ignorance you know, it's our fault... yea right. Tony J Williams 29 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:26:38 Ah well, shit happens. James Marshall 30 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:28:51 Weirdest game of football I've ever watched. Great goal from Barkley and all through I didn't want us to lose, but didn't want us to win either. It was a strange torturous event all round really. I've made myself feel better by looking at the top of the table a lot and remembering we're 5th with a game to spare, and above Utd & Spurs. Mike Hughes 31 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:31:10 Out of curiosity I took a quick look at the Bluemoon website, the Man City "equivalent" of TW (though not as good).Similar views to here regarding biased media, particularly Tyler and Redknapp. Bill Gall 32 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:11:46 I think today's performance pleased the majority of Everton supporters who wanted a win but are not totally upset with a loss. The experiment of 3 centrebacks today showed that Alcaraz is not suitable there and If Distin is fit he is more adaptable.Congratulations are in order for reaching a European competition even if some people think it may be detrimental to our league performances; you cant pick and choose your league positions and have to get as many points as possible and do the best you can. wherever you end up.Watched today's game with the sound off after 20 mins that showed how biased some so-called experts can be, who are supposed to be neutral. As far as I am concerned, Everton can be proud of their performance today and can stick their fingers up to these pathetic critics who say their performance was not good enough.Looking foreward to next season and what players are going to be brought in.As has been said before (over to you Mr Chairman ) Kieran Fitzgerald 33 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:21:49 Another full house today. Average attendance at home for the season must be up. Wonder if there is a genuine upswing in the amount of season tickets being sold for next season. Mike, I would agree in full about being able to look down on Spurs and Utd. It's especially satisfying with respect to Spurs. Yet another season of them splashing the cash and having nothing for it at the end of it. Paul Andrews 34 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:46:14 Mission accomplished for our part.Just hope Man City go on to win it now. Spragg Johnson 35 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:44:09 Alcaraz really is poor ... Shane Duffy will be a better bet next season ... Jags, Distin, Stones and Duffy means we're well covered at the back so AA can be taken off the wage list surely? Mike Hughes 36 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:47:58 By the way, we're apparently on first on MoTD.I'll be listening for any media bias from face-like-a-slapped-arse rs pundits (pick any combination from about 15). Dennis Ng 37 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:54:27 Alcaraz was a short term project for cover. Think he was more of a "playing style" related transition cover more than a real fixture for us. Concur that we have better young options than him.It's a great season that we fell short of 4th but there is another target to fight for that is 70 points. Win at Hull and close this season with a bang! Colin Glassar 38 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:57:39 Still no post match comments from Roberto? He didn’t look a happy bunny did he? At one point he was screaming at Seamus so much that when Seamus turned round, Roberto said "Que pasa?" in Spanish, which means what the fuck? Seamus just gave him the Donegal stare. Colin Glassar 39 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:08:24 Just seen Roberto on Sky. Classy as ever. We are going in the right direction. Jim Lloyd 40 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:01:57 I didn't see our performance as disappointing today. I thought we gave a good account of ourselves against a top class side. Some individual performances weren't up to scratch and, against a team like City, it would show.We didn't stop fighting for an equaliser after Rommy scored and, all in all, I was satisfied that we had tried to match them and at times we had them panicking. So all in all, it's been a cracking season for us and I'm sure that Robbie boy will bring in more exciting talent in the close season.The bonus today is twofold. We are ahead of Spurs and Man Utd and, with any luck, thats fucked up the forces of darkness for the title...not counting any chickens though! Colin Williams 41 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:02:45 Thought most of the boys played really well today, Barkley, McCarthy and Stones were outstanding! Although, Howard poor for first goal (again), Alcaraz had a poor game and Lukaka was shit!! (again). Other than that, top performance from the boys.Great season lads, proud to be a blue!!! Trevor Lynes 43 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:04:42 Looking at the two teams we did really well and kept the ball for long periods. Injuries were a problem we could not cope with and that is down to lack of financial support.Our bench illustrated the difference and any fan who does not realize the point must be blind. Our passing was accurate but much too slow and I think our players showed signs of a long season. But it has been a fine effort from a club which consistently performs well and is difficult to beat.Let's hope that Roberto gets enough funding to bring in some players who can improve the squad and excite the fans. COYB Ste Traverse 44 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:57:33 I was torn all week how I wanted the game to go. But when I was in the ground and the game kicked off, I wanted us to win.I did worry about fans who wanted us to win and those who wanted us to get beat clashing, and it did happen in the Street End after the first Man City goal.The players gave their all and just come up short. It was a weird formation I thought.One guilty pleasure I've just had is having a look at one of the Shite's forums. Apparently our players didn't try a jot and us fans didn't give them any backing. We are basically being accused of 'throwing' the game and 'cheating' their club.Do these fucking knobheads not remember 1995 when they wanted their side to lose to Blackburn to stop United winning the Prem? Or in 2010 when they were happy to lose their last home of the season to Chelsea to again stop the Mancs from lifting the title?They are the biggest hypocrites in football. Utter two-faced twats.Well we have clinched a place in Europe, finished above Man Utd and big spending Tottenham, and the RS look to have had the title snatched off them. Not a bad day overall. Brian Denton 45 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:19:48 Ste, what happened? I could see that there was something kicking off, but wasn't able to make out what!Yes, once the game kicked off, I wanted us to win despite my earlier misgivings about handing title to 'them'. Don't ever want to be put in that position again though. Pat Kennedy 46 Posted 03/05/2014 at 20:50:40 Just got home after being at the strangest game I've been to in 53 years watching the blues home and away.Pride in seeing our players giving their all as professionals but clearly affected by the at times funereal atmosphere inside the ground. Disgusted by the behaviour of some of my so-called fellow Evertonians who cheered Man City's goals and abused others who were trying to get behind the team when we went behind.I've had the pleasure of seeing some great times as a supporter of one of England's most respected teams but tonight I feel a bit down. This was a game which we could have won had the fans got behind the team – City were there for the taking and whilst 4th place was still possible we should have given our all on and off the field.I don't give a flying fuck about Liverpool and what they do. Too many fuckin drama queens on here moaning about RS fans gloating if they won the league and how awful it would be. Of course they'd gloat, wouldn't we if we won the PL?Get over yourselves. We didn't die after they won the CL in Istanbul, it was hard to stomach but life goes on and we should be pleased that our club is making progress under a vibrant young manager. I got fed up of the plucky little Everton shit peddled by Moyes and his knives to a gunfight bollocks. Under Roberto, we at least give it a go and don't fear anybody.I have seen people wearing blue shirts in pubs hugging each other tonight because we lost. I shake my head at how fuckin ridiculous people can be. How small time & bitter we must look, glorying in another team's potential 'failure'. Man City will probably go on to win the league but we will all look like tits if they slip up against Aston Villa or West Ham and let Liverpool back in!"Take that, you Red Shite twats" was shouted by a few near me in the Gwladys Street after their third goal. Some twat patted me on the back coming out and said what a great result! I'm afraid I asked him if he was an Evertonian......I'm pleased to see us in the Europa League next season but I won't forget tonight's game in a hurry. Felt like being in a civil war. Very uncomfortable. Never want to see such division and spite again. Mike Hughes 47 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:19:07 As Jim #47 states, I'm not counting any chickens yet either. There could be twists and turns yet.Ste #51 - if we mention 1995 or 2010 to RS, we all know we'll simply be called "bitter".If the rs don't win it, I'll enjoy the silence and the World Cup knowing that it'll be "all our fault" (well, it's never their fault, is it?) Brent Stephens 48 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:24:11 Just back from the game, as they say. Surreal / unreal. Barks had his best game since his injury. Stones great in possession and going forward (Harold is right, tho, room for improvement defending). McCarthy and Nais have stolen Ferrari engines from somewhere. Seamus impressed mucho.Oh, and I almost forgot – sorry RS, how sad, never mind (teh, heh).5th in transition season! Wow! Flipping wow! Jim Bennings 49 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:12:47 We are going in the right direction and I am so positive about Everton under Martinez but I an well aware that during summer we need to replace some of the journeymen players with better quality, otherwise we are probably playing for 5th again with the Champions League so near yet so far.We are a good team but failure to improve yet again and back Martinez help him move this promising team to the next level would be criminal from our board.Ross Barkley was superb today absolutely great but for me Stones wad rather poor at right back unless I was watching a different game. He was very much at fault for the third goal and I am still working out how we allowed Dzecko to score that header when we had THREE centre halves in the team.Lukaku does have a poor touch granted but whenever he gets an early ball in to the box he will usually deliver the goods. As I say we face some dilemma burning the summer because we are going to lose our top scorer with 15 goals for no fee,, we lose him for nothing so we are going to need to splash out the cash to replace him this year. We just won't get so lucky to get a 15-goal striker on loan again.When you think about Lukaku, he didn't make his debut until September 21, then was out injured for a month but still scored 15 goals, it's not bad going really for a lad who is still young.All in all a very satisfying first season under Bobby Dazzler, getting us back in Europe was a decent achievement. A good season that could nearly have even been a great one but for late blips and a lack of real serious investment in January. Brent Stephens 50 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:28:46 Carragher passed behind us after the game, on his way down from commentary on the gantry above Upper Bullens. Face like a smacked arse!!! Highlight of the day for me!!! Neville too!!! Anchors!!! Dave Williams 51 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:28:21 Pat #53 – what a cracking post! You sum it up perfectly.I know we are all entitled to our opinions etc but how anyone can will their team to lose is beyond me. Very sad that this led to our own fans clashing and it shows just how destructive hatred and rivalry can be. We are stronger if we stick together and all get behind the team.Great first season under Roberto and with a few good additions to the squad we will be better again next term. Patrick Murphy 52 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:30:53 Very very strange day indeed I hoped we would win the match and when Barks opened the scoring I thought we would go to do so quite comfortably, however, City are nothing if not dogged and we allowed them back into it. They are the only team to beat us home and away and there were similarities in both games. I thought Coleman was poor today and very frustrating when he kept coming back inside. Alcaraz - sorry I was wrong about him we need two new centre-halves to complement Jags and Stones. I think the fact that United and Spurs both lost took some of the edge off the game but if I had been a City fan I would have had no nails left. Hopefully there will be no more twists in the rest of the season but I have a nagging doubt about City's mental strength and they could still blow it. As for Everton, they have played some really good football this season and only City out of the top seven have left Goodison with maximum points but we need a lot of investment if we are going to improve on fifth place next season. Well done Roberto and well done to the players, they always give maximum effort and if any pundits out there doubt it then they don't know much about the game. Dave Lynch 53 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:34:45 Mate texted me and told me to have a look on redshite forums. Un-fucking-believable!!!!They are calling us classless and cheats. One even stated that Barks proved he was a Liverpool fan due to his performance and that he should move to them to further his career.We're classless!!!! Ste Traverse 54 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:30:32 Brian #52.When a few cheered when Man City equalized, a group of blues stood up and told them to get the fuck out of the stadium if you were going to cheer opposition goals which annoyed the ones happy to see City score and heated rows and finger pointing ensured. The Police then got involved and it did calm down.One beaut in a grey tracksuit near me in the central block of the Street End was jumping around deliriously after every City goal which was way over the top and pissed a number of people off. Dave Williams 55 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:40:54 Ste - what strange behaviour - folk like that get true fans a bad name. I hate the RS as much as we all do but to cheer an opponent for scoring against us is bizarre in the extreme regardless of how it affects anyone else. Paul Andrews 56 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:42:58 Echo report of the game. Opening line:"Everton went off at half time 2-1 down to the tune of Oasis song The Masterplan"Hahaha! Dave Lynch 57 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:44:16 Ste.I know this doesn't excuse that type of behaviour but if the boot was on the other foot, do you think the redshite would have acted any differently???Think that Bucharest banner proves my point. They deserve all they got after that. Colin Glassar 58 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:42:04 Dave, my RS brother has been giving me grief all evening. Yesterday he was begging us to win, today he is back to his bitter best. They think they’ve got a god-given right to win the title and are now looking for scapegoats to blame for their woes. I just told him to fuck himself and blame his captain gobshite for their epic fail. Everton, under Martinez, are back. Next season we will challenge for the title, mark my words. Dave Williams 59 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:50:28 Dave # 64 – undoubtedly, but I like to think we are a bit better than them! Steavey Buckley 60 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:24:35 I thought Bob's selection was not right. It's OK playing 3 at the back and the full backs pushing on, when Everton have not been playing that way all the season. It would have better playing Stones in Barry's place, because Stones is very good at marking players and then taking the ball forward towards Man City's defense.Also, playing Osman in a role he is not suitable alongside McCarthy, like last season with Neviille, was sure to fail. He is not strong enough to keep up with midfield runners, and Osman was embarrassingly left behind quite easily by Milner in the second half, who is not the fastest player around.Instead of capitalising on Barkley's magnificent strike, who was Man of the Match, Howard was caught out by his near post for a soft goal, while Alcaraz should have been much closer to Aguero before he had time to shoot and score.The next 2 City goals were a result of errors by the Everton central defenders, who allowed Dzeko all the time in the world to head his first and City's second goal, with the same player scoring in front of goal for his second and City's third, while Jags and Alacraz for some reason left him alone, unmarked.Without McCarthy and Barkley playing oh so well, some Everton players did not turn and play really well considering this is the last home game of the season. Too many corners, free crosses and free kicks always failed to find the right Everton man, one wonders what the players are doing all week in training if crossing the ball is so difficult in a match. Mike Allison 63 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:07:02 I agree with Pat, #53. Shame, shame, shame on some of our fans today.We should have beaten them, the crowd could have made a real difference today, not least to the ref, who seemed happy to give City every 50-50 as they were the only club who truly wanted to win.Small-minded, bitter, petty losers. If you cheered a goal against Everton you deserve any stick you're going to get, but worse than that, every Evertonian is going to get stick they don't deserve because of you. Mike Allison 64 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:13:21 On the football, I felt the players did give everything and played well, but how are we so bad at set pieces? I swear we'd have won the league if we could take a decent corner. Gavin McGarvey 65 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:53:06 I thought Man City were poor, and I wouldn't be surprised if they blew the title, particularly if they play anyone who really needs the points. As for us, well it was hardly our finest hour. Still, on balance it's been a great season, and perhaps it's not surprising we had an off day, with the match being something of a dead rubber with a makeshift defence. We need to toughen up a bit if we're going to win a trophy, or make the top four, as I thought we made it too easy for City, and I imagine RM will be thinking about that when he buys in the Summer. Barkleys goal was fit to win any game, it's just a pity that the defence weren't as sharp. Chris Butler 66 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:11:22 I agree jumping up is a bit over the top but to have a go at them is pathetic. Truthfully I'm not that disappointed with the result, had we been going into this game fighting for 4th spot the atmosphere would have been different. Let's just hope we can beat Hull and Man City win their last 2 games to give Gerrard something to cry about. Mike Price 67 Posted 03/05/2014 at 21:56:18 Do not count any chickens until it's over. I'm worried about City, I thought they were terrible really and could easily see them choking. Palace needs to be right up for this one and let's hope they can deliver a killer blow.Brilliant effort from our lads, sensational results all round today and 5th in Bobby's first year and the Europa league when winning it gets CL will make the whole experience more interesting.Glad today's over, just really hoping we can sing the Gerrard song next season! Sue Brown 68 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:13:31 Good post, Pat Kennedy 53The game certainly reflected the atmosphere in the ground at times. I thought Evertonians were better than that.We could and maybe should have got the equalizer, as Man City were certainly not playing that well.Hopefully we won't have to go through that scenario again... Mike Hughes 69 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:16:02 As previously stated, I found this a difficult week and decided not to attend. I'm not down-in-the-dumps as I would usually be after an Everton defeat mainly due to the potential implications of the result. However, I'd never have cheered an opposition goal at GP. Not because of the stick we might get (it's coming our way regardless but who cares?). But because, as stated above, it is a bit classless - a bit like "Blues" betting on the rs to win the league. Lenny Kingman 70 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:16:55 So let's see. RS fans supporting Everton, Everton and United fans supporting City. Bizarre. Me I've just thanked the lord in my bedtime prayers for making the red scum so unhappy tonight. Gerard Morgan 71 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:39:26 I've been saying it for years and I maintain: Howard is a shit goalie and we will not progress until he is replaced. John Malone 72 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:12:34 Don't know what all the carry on is about – we got beat 3-2 by a top team who are look like winning the title. Barkley scored a class goal and the players had a good go. Bollox to what the Red Shite have got to say, they are the bitter ones because Man City are on the verge of taking the title off them. There was more atmosphere at that game than most of our other home games this year, the reason the roar wasn't there was because we blew it against Palace and Southampton... plus Spurs and Man Utd both got beat earlier on.I walked away from that game really happy at the performance we put in and the season we've had. We've witnessed some great games and great wins, got a positive forward-thinking manager, some cracking young players and we're in Europe!Well done, Roberto; well done, Billy Bullshit; well done, EFC!Allez, Allez, Allez Ohhhhhhhh!! Keith Glazzard 73 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:40:49 Just imagine, if LFC had nothing to gain but losing to a 'relegation rival' might have put us in the shit. Would they have busted a gut to help us? Quite the reverse I suggest. And I suspect that happened in the past.I think Roberto, knowing we are 5th, used today's game as an experiment. And we weren't far off winning. Now, that would have been crazy. Brian Waring 74 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:55:18 Lenny, add to that Sunderland fans supporting Newcastle to beat Cardiff. Andy Walker 75 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:26:37 Pat 53 good for you mate, but if Liverpool don't win the league it will mean they will be in a weaker position than they would have been, albeit still strong, but it would be more likely that players like ratboy may move away. They are a competitor to us, so that's good news for our team. It will also help prevent the scenario as happened in the 70s when the RS success bred a generation of fans which provided a massive boost in income for them for many years after. I do not want that to reignite again at the expense of our potential future fan base. It would also make it harder for Everton to secure future funding at a very sensitive time when a new ground is on the cards, it's not attractive for potential investors to put their money in to us if the local neighbours are the new champions and getting all the PR and fan base growth.We are in competition with Liverpool and anything which prevents them getting any stronger will help us get stronger. Chris Leyland 76 Posted 03/05/2014 at 22:44:59 One of the reasons so many of our fans weren't too upset today was because the manager and the players blew the chance to qualify for the Champions League with the loss to Palace a few weeks back. We had a golden opportunity to be in the European elite next year but, when the opportunity was there for us, they didn't grasp it. We battered Arsenal to get ourselves into a great position but then fucked it up against lesser teams. The game today was effectively a dead rubber for us. We had no realistic chance of 4th and the earlier results meant that 5th is a certainty. Believe me, I wasn't crying after we'd lost but I did go through a roller coaster of emotions during the match. I would however have been sobbing at today's result if we had beaten Palace and drawn against Southampton. We didn't so here we are.So, we will finish 5th rather 4th because we lost games and the shite may well finish 2nd rather than 1st not because of today's results but because of their own failings last week against Chelsea. We messed up our chase for 4th because of our own failings and the Shite have (hopefully) messed up because of theirs. James Stewart 77 Posted 03/05/2014 at 23:03:55 Barkley was simply amazing, best player on the pitch. Poor poor defending. Everytime we have tried a back 3, it has been god awful. Andy Walker 78 Posted 03/05/2014 at 23:15:04 Totally agree with you Chris.If we had really had any chance of 4th today it would have been a completely different story. Our fans recognise what's in our interests and what isn't and that showed today.City did the double over us and the RS failed to beat us at Goodison, in fact they were lucky to get a point. There's the difference for me. Paul Dark 79 Posted 03/05/2014 at 23:26:47 Duffy is a much better player than Alcaraz.Don't care if Liverpool win the title or not. Ee're too big a club for such trivialities. Andy Riley 80 Posted 03/05/2014 at 23:25:28 Liverpool fans should remember 1985. Everton's rivals for the title were Spurs who hadn't won at Anfield since 1912. Guess what happened? Kevin Tully 81 Posted 03/05/2014 at 23:23:23 OK, lads, let's not pretend this is a bad day for Blues. I've just eaten some lovely salt & pepper chicken pieces. Are you really feeling bad? Ferry? Jimmy Hill 82 Posted 03/05/2014 at 23:18:25 Pat # well said; I thought the lads gave everything. I personally can't stomach wanting us to lose in any game. Fantastic to be in Europe next year – well done to RM.For the record, Drury and Beglan were sickening on Sky. Only good thing about us losing was seeing those two shut the fuck up for the rest of the game. They certainly implied Everton were throwing. Arseholes! Jay Woods 83 Posted 03/05/2014 at 23:23:26 Pat Kennedy, enough of your sanctimonious high horsedness and recall one more time the injustice of the Heysel ban, back when we (alongside LFC unfortunately) were widely regarded as the best side in Europe. No matter how absurd this may sound, nothing will placate me as an Evertonian short of us winning the European Cup... which may very well mean I'll never see it in my lifetime. It also means I have a profound problem with LFC winning anything, even a throw-in.When one has lived through decades of blowing, crowing, goading, self-righteousness, double standards (think Heysel v Hillsborough), hatred for the mother club (Everton), preferential refereeing and media love-ins, one becomes defined as much for the love of Everton as for distaste for so much that pertains to LFC. So you go and be disgusted with me and my kind all you like; the feeling is mutual. Mike Price 84 Posted 03/05/2014 at 23:42:34 Agree about Howard... terrible keeper. He actually seems to shrink sometimes and often dives backwards over the line where even if he stopped the ball, it's in. Tom Bowers 85 Posted 03/05/2014 at 23:50:04 Pretty much all of us new deep down knew that the Palace result blew a golden opportunity and finishing the season in style was important after that.They did do that somewhat with the Manure and Gunners results coupled with a decent performance today despite the unavailability of Barry which had a big effect in my book.Osman just isn't Barry which helped City a lot.On the flip side they had some great moments and the Barkley goal was tremendous but City had the deeper squad and the bigger incentive in the end.All credit to RM and the Blues for an excellent season, achieving far more than we could have hoped and with some style. Terry McLavey 86 Posted 03/05/2014 at 23:50:23 A good season all-in-all; we've played some really good football. Disappointed at the loss but glad in a way in not helping the RS.. mixed feelings really, like your mother-in-law driving your new Jag off a cliff! I don't think Lukaku is consistent enough; although he scored, he misses a lot too. It won't be up to us if he stays anyway. I would like to see us relying on our "own" players instead of borrowed, maybe the Fortress Sports Fund will help!!! Terry McLavey 87 Posted 04/05/2014 at 00:01:46 I also agree: we need a new keeper – and not Robles!! Every time the other team are in our box, my heart is in my mouth wondering what Howard will do. He's made some good saves but also some monumental fuck-ups! I'm sure he could have stopped Coleman's OG last week?!? It went right near to him, I'm know he wasn't expecting it but surely instinct should have taken over? Maybe we could pick off a relegated keeper? They must have been busy all season! Roll on Thursday nights – I can watch in a comfy chair instead of a computer one! Adolf Ng 88 Posted 04/05/2014 at 00:16:51 So, can we start Hibbert in the last game as a striker? Milos Milenkovic 89 Posted 04/05/2014 at 00:19:21 Howard, terrible keeper? This is a joke? Along with Coleman and McCarthy, he is our player of the season. Superb season for him and surely one of the best keepers in the league. Derek Thomas 90 Posted 04/05/2014 at 00:20:35 3 at the back had us at 6's and 7's. Baines was lost, he didn't know whether to stick or twist, go forward or stay back. City played him just right- leave him in space all on his own, yes he will put in crosses but crosses are defendable.Baines is at his best playing one-twos and the return three-fours etc.They closed Coleman down as soon as he got the ball, doubled up sometimes when needed.Ageuro gave notice once or twice before he actually scored... not a blue shirt hear him. Matt Geraghty 91 Posted 04/05/2014 at 00:11:28 Pat Kennedy and Mike Allison have summed it it perfectly. Some Blues not wanting us to win today because of the stick they might get from their mates/ work colleagues? Someone else cited a banner that was shown by the RS as their reason. I just can't comprehend that way of thinking. Some of our fans have made most of us look like narrow minded dickheads. Trevor Thompson 92 Posted 04/05/2014 at 02:26:28 At the beginning of the game, I changed my mind and wanted us to win. Then I wanted Man City to win, then I wanted us to play better, then I wanted City to play better. To be fair because of the other results that helped us, I'm glad City won. I don't care what other Everton fans think of me. If they think it's wrong, then good luck to them. Everton losing but not affecting our chances of playing in Europe and possibly deny Liverpool the PL title is a perfect result for me. Sorry, but I despise them. Tim Greeley 93 Posted 04/05/2014 at 03:25:41 Tim Howard... terrible keeper!?!?!?!? FUCK OFF! He's no saint but get your own dick out of your eye. He has been a top 5 keep this season and you would rue the fucking day we would be stuck with whatever random nymphomaniac Montenegran goalkeeper that most other clubs deal with ended up cleaning our pipes....... Jan Mucha, Y'all!! Spragg Johnson 94 Posted 04/05/2014 at 07:19:33 Don't be sorry Trevor ... All of us should despise them ... For all sorts of reasons. Peter Bell 95 Posted 04/05/2014 at 07:29:32 I was once in Goodison Park when the whole ground stood and applauded a Duncan Mckenzie goal for Chelsea. I take it that means none of us are true Evertonians then. Matt Traynor 96 Posted 04/05/2014 at 07:55:47 Peter #95, I can remember a few occasions when there was muted respect for an opposition strike at Goodison, not just scored by ex-Toffees either. I can also remember those of us still there after the 3-0 home mauling by Tranmere in the FA Cup applauding them off.To be honest some of the indignation on these pages about fans "not being proper Evertonians" was embarrassing. I try to follow the simple rule of never posting anything on here to a poster you wouldn't be willing to say to them in a pub before/after a match.At the end of the day, as everyone with half a brain knew, Everton tried but were ultimately beaten by a team that cost multiples of ours, who weren't at their best, and from what I've seen paid tribute to the Everton team for giving them a hard game. The twattish commentary by Tyler and Neville just proved how Sky has their favourites. The twattish commentary on these pages however is just another indicator of why so many former regular contributors now just read, post infrequently, or have left the site altogether. Peter Bell 97 Posted 04/05/2014 at 07:55:40 Jay Woods@83 absolute classic" I never want the RS to even win a throw in" Peter Bell 98 Posted 04/05/2014 at 08:42:34 Matt, I was also there a couple of years after the McKenzie incident to witness Eric Gates of Ipswich score one of the finest goals I have ever seen on any football pitch. Again the whole ground applauded the strike, so it isn't just about former players as you say Ron Sear 99 Posted 04/05/2014 at 08:57:42 Macbeth got it right - "So Foul and Fair a Day I Have Not Seen" John Crawley 100 Posted 04/05/2014 at 09:48:44 Matt you're being disingenuous with your comparison between Evertonians clapping individual goals even when they want Everton to win and Evertonians applauding Man City scoring goals when they want Everton to lose. There is a world of difference and I'm sorry if you want the other team to beat Everton then you're not a proper supporter. Eugene Ruane 101 Posted 04/05/2014 at 10:05:51 Bit of old-fashioned nosiness.Anyone know what went on in the St End (lower, kind of central) after City scored?Looked initially like a City fan had celebrated a goal and was being berated.Stewards/police were called and the feller seemed to be on his way, but he continued a discussion with those around him (including some blonde one who appeared to be giving him down the banks).Next thing there's handshakes, pats on the back and..he was sitting down again.As for Dzeko's carry-on, the whole incident was one of the most ludicrous things I've seen.What a gaper! Brent Stephens 102 Posted 04/05/2014 at 11:32:55 Ron #99 - missed that? Did he say that on Sky? Jamie Crowley 103 Posted 04/05/2014 at 15:19:01 Tony J Williams at 29 - "Ah well, shit happens."Might be one of the best posts I've seen on TW. Hilarious. Stones and Barkley should both be in Brazil for England. Alcaraz was very, very poor. Dzeko - that mangina is a disgrace to sport. I found his pathetically embarrassing faux injury to be vomit inducing. Can you image what an NHL player would have done to him? He'd be missing teeth. Faking pussy! Kieran Fitzgerald 104 Posted 04/05/2014 at 15:35:09 Because of the 5:30pm kick-off, knowing the Spurs and Utd results meant that yesterday's game ended up being a dead rubber game for us. I think that this may have had an impact on the atmosphere at the game yesterday. Peter Askins 105 Posted 04/05/2014 at 15:29:03 Eugene – I was about a dozen rows down from the Street End incident, but took it to be a "domestic" incident between the blonde lady, and her boyfriend/husband. A lot of finger-pointing and shouts towards her, as though the police had got the wrong person by pulling out the bloke.The second strange incident in our end, following the harmonious "Steve Gerrard Gerrard, he slipped on his fucking arse..." chant, sung jointly, by the City and Everton fans. Karl Parsons 107 Posted 04/05/2014 at 15:54:11 Here's my take on events yesterday.We couldn't win no matter what. Win the game and hand the initiative to the RS and all that entails. Lose the game and feel the pain of defeat. But honesty prevents me from leaving it there. NO I actually didn't feel any pain because you know what I didn't go to the game with my usual passion and die hard, win at all cost motivation. I like many fans around me in the Park End just looked at each other as the game unfolded. Did I celebrate Ross's wonder goal? Of fucking course. Did I celebrate City Scoring against us? No of course not. But for the very first time in my life it didn't feel like steel going through my guts as I watched away fans celebrating.I for one will ever call any fellow Blue less of an Evertonian simply for being honest. Andy Meighan 108 Posted 04/05/2014 at 19:22:00 Jay 83, I couldn't have put it better myself. Absolutely brilliant. 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