Bobby 'Brown Shoes'

There I was, struggling to take in Darren Hind's perennially negativity, thinking "Who are these 'happy clappers' you're talking about?"

Now we have a winner!

Just a little over the top, methinks, Mr Doherty. From the irritating "Bobby" stuff to the disproven claim that "he has installed that sense of belief into every single Evertonian far and wide as we believe" — you only need one doubter to disprove that fallacy.

And to finish with the outrageous nonsense: "Bobby just simply doesn't do failure." — Errrmm... how about RELEGATION from the Premier League?!?!?

Don't get me wrong: I love the transition we have benefited from immensely under Martinez, and what he has done is fantastic. But to overstate it in this manner does no-one any favours.

Trying to be objective although I readily admit I'm biased as really rate and like the manager and said for years I would love him to be our manager:

Style – I would like to see us a lot more offensive – by that I mean both press and pass the ball quicker. Set pieces remain a massive issue.

Signings – jury still out – good loans but permanent signings seem a bit iffy.

Tactics – usually good and definitely his substitutions. He seems calm and focused on sideline. Not sure with dropping Howard in major cup games and I felt he was overconfident in our games against Liverpool and Palace. That said, over-confidence is better than a defensive mindset.

Results – excellent; and can't argue. Good achievement getting in Europe.

Manner / ethos – fantastic, with exception of over usage of word "phenomenal". Perhaps I'm being unfair given he's Spanish.

Trophies – let's hope it's no longer than 29 years...

I think you'll find there's 4 league places worth of 'better' that he could have done.

Cringed through the entire article. Completely exaggerated all the good work Martinez has done. Truly horrible reading.

Anyway, barring 1 in a million circumstances, Martinez is not (I hope) going anywhere for 3 years. If you can still write the same sort of piece then, it may be a tad more valid and relevant.

Erm... I’m no Walling but I’m hoping with every little breath and sinew in my bashed blue body that Bobby thought that relegation in 2013 was well a ’failure’.

Listen, I will go head-to-head with anyone knocking our Bobby but this post is more gratingly effusively positive than any one of the gaffer’s comments that causes downbeats on here to moan about his buzzing energetic positivity.

My mate Phil (Sammon) - 4 - doesn’t like the workers very much but more often than not he’s right on things blue as he is at 4.

Now Phil I need you to read ’The Making of the English Working Class’ by E P Thompson, I think that you’ll like it mate....

Hi Paul. You do make me laugh mate.

I don't dislike the workers. I am one myself. I just find Socialist principles to be abhorrent. The hypocrisy and sense of entitlement rile me. I'm afraid it's one area where we'll have to agree to disagree.

I look out for your posts though and I must say I agree with 99% of what you write regarding our beloved Blues.

Right on brother.
You stand your corner

Wow, strong stuff, I imagine you must fucking hate the teachings of Jesus.

All that 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' bollocks.

Not sure Jesus had a good grasp of economics either to be honest!

The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists (Robert Tressel, buried in a Liverpool Cemetery) another interesting read.

Sorry, off-topic, I know, but it is a quiet summer.

Cleverer and better read people than I have criticized both systems but in general, in my opinion, any system that encourages greed without social responsibility should be constantly opposed and questioned. If the system cannot be improved then the many should put more pressure on the few to behave in a reasonable manner but sadly apathy usually allows those with the assets to dictate to those with little or nothing and so it goes.... see Premier League or indeed Everton FC.

Oh and in case anyone wants to argue about teatotal, vegetarian Green agenda Hitler, he led the National SOCIALIST German WORKERS party AKA the NAZIS — and we all know how that finished don't we.

That will be a challenge. Jesus, it's like assuming that a man whose name is Mr Brown must be .... brown.

The NAZI party was anti-Capitalist and the other side of the same coin to the Communists with whom they shared the same pool of workers to draw their members from. They believed in workers' rights, preserving the environment, jobs for all, and socialised medicine – in fact, they were almost a perfect match to today's Labour Party. The Autobahns and many other infrastructure schemes came about as a result of the NAZI desire to give people work.

Philip Xavier Ignatius Bellis, SJ.

Firstly, this suggests that an/the opposite strategy (ie capitalism) DOES turn out well, which, for the majority of the world's population, it patently doesn't.

As for 'human behaviour', well this ranges from the behaviour of greedy bankers to the behaviour of charity workers – in other words, we're (obviously) all capable of both, greed or charity, it's up to us as individuals to make the choice.

As for the son of god not having a good grasp of 'economics'... "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the seats of them that sold doves."

I don't know, reading that it seems like he had a fairly good grasp of exactly what economics is all about.

I'd also guess that if he made a surprise return this afternoon (with a cob on) it wouldn't be the tables of charity workers he'd be flinging about.

As for Peter Barry's 'Hitler was a socialist', possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on TW (I imagine if you gave Peter a book, he'd try to fuck it). Even the old 'he was a vegetarian' isn't true.

With that kind of uneducated, reactionary, alehouse-lawyer, fact-free drivel, a career with UKIP is surely on the cards.

Although my book is 'The Bumper Edition of Bellends'.

That's why I love ToffeeWeb... but for the life of me I can't get out of my head "Good o'l Bobby Brown" sung to the tune of "Mack The Knife" a Bertolt Brecht classic.

What did you "read extensively" to come up with the load of bollocks in your post?

I am expecting a few charmers above to post along the lines of....."they don't want to work"......"there are plenty of jobs out there" etc etc.

Is Greenland green? Isn't Iceland greener? Is Iceland icier than Greenland? Or is Greenland icier than Iceland?

I've got so many questions...

Are jellyfish fish?
Are guinea pigs pigs?
Is a hot dog an overwarm canine?
Why I can't make shortbread in my breadmaker!?!?!?!

You could write the reply with lead in your pencil (sorry, meant graphite) but you should put your tin foil (sorry, meant aluminium) hat on in case you get disagreed with – or flamed – but I don't think you'll literally get attacked with a flamethrower or napalm.

You really should chalk up (sorry, gypsum, not chalk) a good talking point on TW here. It really tickled my funny bone (sorry... my ulnar nerve)!

This webpage might enlighten you: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630472/posts
And this one: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/372197/nazis-still-socialists-jonah-goldberg
And this one: http://mises.org/daily/1937

The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament. The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation.

The effect of the combination of inflation and price and wage controls is shortages, that is, a situation in which the quantities of goods people attempt to buy exceed the quantities available for sale.

And that's Socialism for you.

OED definition: A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

So, nothing about 'internationalism' 'left-wing' or 'generally being nice and pinko and anything other than those rotters on the right'.

I myself hesitate to use the term socialist for the Nazis (precisely because so many have pre-conceived notions of the term) but it is emphatically NOT "a load of bollocks" to do so.

The Nazis were both nationalist (just a bit, like) and socialist.... National Socialists if you will.

The richest 85 people in the world have as much wealth as the poorest three and a half billion, but obviously these wondrous 'strivers' have expended 41,176,470 times more energy than each one of the rag-taggle layabouts of the 'loser' countries of the world. And if you don't agree it means 'you love Hitler and Stalin and want everyone to be poor and live in a gulag, blah, blah, blah...'

Is it any wonder that fuckin jelly fish and cockroaches will inherit the earth when humans have finished bleeding every last drop out of it?

I will see your Ukip and raise you a Front National.

In his book 'Mein Kampf', Hitler wrote:

"The suspicion was whispered in German Nationalist circles that we also were merely another variety of Marxism, perhaps even Marxists suitably disguised, or better still, Socialists... We used to roar with laughter at these silly faint-hearted bourgeoisie and their efforts to puzzle out our origin, our intentions and our aims".

Also might find the word 'National' placed in front of 'Socialist' plays some importance as well.

When you have finished 'extensively reading' the right wing bollocks you find through Google, try something with a different point of view

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

Back to football I see Redknapp has suggested Roberto or Rodgers takes over from Hodgson after the World Cup. Now maybe my memory isn't what it used to be but wasn't Harry one of those not so long ago saying an Englishman should manage England?

Religion, politics, the price of fish in Garston market when I was a small boy. It's all here somewhere. Jellyfish will inherit the earth, subject to tax of course. By god, I love ToffeeWeb some days.

Does anyone know what shade of brown shoes goes best with a blue suit?

On to football; Our old friend Bily is available at a snip under £2M with Palace apparently interested. Who would welcome him back to Goodison and does anyone think Martinez will get more out of him than OFM?

Sigh... but I think we can all agree with Tony J Williams. Surprising that Beryl Bainbridge didn't emphasis this in her book.

Absolutely, which is why I stated it was a different point of view.

One that most, other than the crackpot right wingers, would tend to agree with though.

However, let's give Snr Martinez the deserved kudos for what he's achieved here at this club so far; long may the improvements continue!

Hope Bobby's brown winklepickers get old with the club.

Don't you just know, as a kid, "I'm telling" was never far from his lips?

As for Peter 'Max Hastings' Barry - "..my reading on the subject has been extensive and spread over many, many years and far too many to list books on WW2 the causes of WW2 the downfall of the SOCIALIST NAZI regime"

My guess, Sven Hassel featured heavily.

As Spencer Tracy said to Ernest Borgnine in Bad Day At Black Rock (when accused of being a 'yeller-bellied Jap lover'): "Not only are you wrong, you're wrong at the top of your voice."

The OP is well over the top but the world needs a fair few 'cheerleaders' like Dom to balance out the grumpy hordes. This season can only be considered as a bright start and will only ultimately be judged as a true success if it lays the foundations for more tangible achievements from now on (and I am not just saying that because Darren Hind is on my case).

'To each according to his contribution' and ultimately 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs'. If you could make these things work then I think the world would be a better place.

As someone who is a big supporter and at times on here early last season, a defender of Martinez, I'm noticing some horrible parallels between the current lauding of Martinez and that of his predecessor.

Last season saw us finish in a satisfactory position. I think he laid down some good foundations for the future. I think that he's starting a pattern of play that has more chance of long-term success than previous methods.

But, that's it. at times last season we were fabulous, at times we were downright dull and ponderous. As under the previous regime, people are starting tot see what they want to see.

You can't deny a good 5th place finish and a record number of wins - it's progress. It doesn't make him any more successful than the last guy, who, for the umpteenth time, I had no time for.

I'm not prepared to compare him with the worst ones. Like all our other managers, I'll compare him with Kendall and Catterick. When he gets close to those two, I'll really begin to laud him!

A record number of wins does make him more successful than the last manager. Not in trophies but in performance over a season

I devoured those books as a kid, maybe even more so than old Mr Upper Case himself.

This particular one was like a surrealist nightmare. It seemed mad. Unfortunately, to try and make sense of it, I had to be arsed to go back to the beginning and read it all.

It's still mad. But some of the political ignorance is stunning and a little bit scary. Let's stick to slagging each other off for more trivial reasons, so I can scan through happily.

I'm really surprised that there's not a World Cup, Blatter slag off thread on here. Isn't anyone interested?

Ummm...what colour are his shoes?

Agree with Colin things seem quiet as regards the twat who has got the top job in football'

After some 'EXTENSIVE READING' I have discovered that Sepp Blatter is a Socialist. Who'd have known?

www.crackpotneocontheories.com

Liverpool is full of spectacular women and girls who look after their appearance but the average Merseyside male since the end of the seventies doesn't give a damn. For thirty years market stall chic has reigned supreme apart from the more stylish foreign students.

Cool gear should be compulsory in future at the Park End purely in honour of St Roberto.

Basically, by dressing the way they do (ie: ready for bed 24/7) loads of Liverpool fellers appear to be saying "I give up! I simply can't be arsed doing up a button, I'm going elasticated because it's easier".

Imo, if you're not training and you're walking about in a trackie, you might as well walk around wearing a sandwich board that says "MEFF!" on the front

(and 'I smell like a cross between piss, sweat and sausage dinners' on the back).

Oh and as for the baggy t-shirt worn with below-the-knee shorts?

Pack it in, you look like a fucking massive American toddler.

As for the 'fairer' sex, if only they were.

Sadly 'fair' is not a shade that could be applied to girls who look like Judith Chalmers after she's been laying in a bath full of Sunny-D for a month.

(siiiiiiiigh....siiiiigh....umph...when does the fucking season start again?)

In fact he turned out for The RS Reserves, but there is no record as to whether this was on the left wing or the right wing as he was an early proponent of 'total football', or total something anyway. He was so popular, however, that pre-season training sessions were known locally as 'Mein Kampf'.

It is less clear that on his return to 'Der Farterland' (always good for a joke old Adolph) he persuaded Himmler that dressing in black would give them the same power as English referees. But this did turn out to be the case.

Next week: Liverpool's Paddy Murphy, cousin of Emperor Hirohito of Japan, pioneer of the surprise attack.

Ron #63 I've had a penchant for brown shoes especially a decent brogue with a suit for years as it stands out in office environments where I have worked as a tiny stand against conformity and a sea of black shoes. As I've gotten older and gone for it this has expanded to three piece suits, pocket watch, pocket squares and ties in offices with a smart casual dress code of not needing a tie - dress for the job you want not the one you have (christ knows what that job is dressed like something straight from the 30s and 40s)

Nail on the head regards the Hitler was a socialist angle too, he was a power mad little shitehawk that like all power mad little shitehawks do he saw his audience were a mass of disenfranchised people easily swayed with nationalistic drum beating and blame direction at the "foreigners" and promises of a better life if they backed him - no coincidence that the same sort of scaremongering anti foreigner chants got UKIP 15 minutes of fame and likewise the demonisation of lesser fortunates and the working classes has the Tories where they are supported ably by the old Daily Bigot and other assorted trash media outlets

For the tenth time 'I know', what does our mate Dave Whelan say even after Wigan were eliminated. 'Bobby' is the best manager in the world, Utd should have signed him not 'freezer Moyes'.

I kinda agree, if we had City's, Chelsea's, shite's or Utd's finance, we were on a level playing field in other words, I would back us to win the Prem. under Martinez's leadership.

As for Socialism, If I start a business and it fails losing all my money, tough! If it succeeds, then I should share my profits with rest of society. Notice anything wrong with that!

Long live Dom, I say!

Or would you prefer a 'safety net' which is all that British socialism has ever been.

Sweden (with a monarch, just like the UK) does it better. A full welfare system, excellent education for all and the 8th highest per capita income in the world (with next to no child poverty). They can play football to.

Substitute Wigan relegated, instead of Wigan eliminated.
Which do you prefer?

So to that end I now declare the 1st ToffeeWeb pop-up virtual bar and bistro now open

What’s everybody having... first drink free.............

Sounds to me like 4 years of (in effect) a conservative government hasn't done you many favours (or do you, like moon-faced Dave, prefer to grasp at 'it's the legacy of the last Labour government' whenever things go tits up).

It works of a fashion, but not very well!

Anyway mate, let's get back to Dom's topic.

I'll do a bit of delving meself and get back.

Apparently Alois Hitler, cousin of Adolph, was born in Liverpool. European immigration? What can you do?

The Glazzard family tree does have a player for the Dark Side Reserves, but also a goal scoring first division record holder who wore the royal blue jersey before he broke his leg and his career ended.

My point was that you have to make it worthwhile for individuals to risk their own assets, as I say I think our democracy is as good or better than any other.

And Eugene, money is usually hard earned! Not always I grant you.

Even spookier!!

Link

It's not arguing we do on here,just exchange of points of view.

Don't take it to heart and Carry On Kampfing

WC Ex-Everton

"A record number of wins does make him more successful than the last manager. Not in trophies but in performance over a season."

Better than Moyes? Big bloody deal. Just as when Moyes was in charge, I'll compare him with our best managers, rather than the under-achieving predecessors.

Why not just enjoy the progress so far, and save the hyberbole for when he actually wins something?

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the transfer window and our beloved Cahirman has stated that he'd like to keep both Gareth Barry and Rommy Lukaku. I hope so too but I'm not holding my breath. Robbie has said he wants another six or seven players and I hope he can bring in young exciting players and continue to build up a mix of youngsters and experienced players.

Better than Moyes? Hard to say after one season but I'm certainly impressed with his knowledge of our club, the way he has immediately taken an interest in our younger palyers (which according to their coach, Moyes never did) and I'm impressed by the football he's got our players producing and I might be wrong but the atmosphere at the end of this first season seems to me to be one of hope reborn amongst many fans.

I must admit I was no fan of Catterick's and I think he done our club more harm than good (maybe a bit harsh there but I think we would have done better...much better with someone like Joe Mercer.) Howard did brilliant for a spell in his first coming but sadly, he and moist of the best players left.

I think Dom has been a bit effusive I his praise but why shouldn't he. He feels good about having a manager who has instilled him with enthusiasm. He might be disappointed but who knows.

Considering it was his first season and he had to introduce is philosophy to a squad of players who were used to a more cautious approach, I think he has been excellent. This season it might be a different story as we'll have to see who comes in, who stays and who is sold but I must admit to looking forward to the season ahead.

But two League Titles, the FA Cup, regular Fairs Cup places.....the signings of Ball, Wilson, Kendall , Morrissey ...c'mon, mate, he wasn't that bad.

Joe Mercer was a likeable fella but you could argue that a lot of Man City's success was down to Malcolm Allison.

I suspect you may have a year or two on me... did the Catt sell Collins? Will take your word for it... but Stevens was an unsung hero I recall. Two words... Frank Wignall!

On a serious note,he was a much maligned manager who drove me crackers but his ’record’ certainly bears scrutiny with the much-praised Moyes especially bearing in mind that he was up against the shite in their pomp.

By ’pomp’ I mean when they were winning the league by going a goal up,keeping it tight,passing back to the ’keeper from the half-way line and nicking draws away from home.

Come to think of it,how odd it is that the red shite have stopped dominating the league since three points for a win and the abolition of the back-pass rule were introduced!