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Coupled with this is this ludicrous idea that this is the way to play football alongside the implication that this is a style that is more worthy than the ’parasite’ teams who defend their own 18-yard box.

I like Martinez, and he brought some real attacking verve last season, but this, on paper, is a fantastic squad of players, and they are simply not performing. There is a spine of a team that should be pushing towards the Champions League and at the moment, you cannot see where the next win is coming from. The statistics make embarrassing reading and I can’t believe that the media isn’t asking more questions in truth.

The best thing that I’ve heard is that, according to Roberto, players are desperate to join Everton because they love the style of play. Oh dear... do me a favour!

Strange reaction by RM to the Soton game in terms of subs then a catastrophic game plan at Hull illustrates your point about his ability to be flexible and to change.

I just don’t see him changing his ways and so I cannot see where the next win is coming from...

It is high time every player got in the faces of the opposition. That needs to start on Wednesday at Stoke who epitomise what is required from a team in the lower half of the table. Oh for someone like Tim Cahill who never accepted defeat lightly.

I think its time to call an end on Martinez reign. He does not deserve the summer to fix things as his philosophy is simply not suited to the Premier League. The Europa League is a fatal distraction. It matters little that we have progressed when it has been at the expense of our worst league campaign in 10 years. We are a big enough club – as Martinez himself has acknowledged – to prosper in both competitions and there can be no doubt the season has been a failure given how disastrous our league form has been.

I would opt for a change now. Give the new man 10 games to try his ideas and the summer to rebuild. We should avoid relegation provided the side is properly organised and motivated.

Candidates? There are a few. I would move heaven and earth to get Di Matteo. We surely offer a bigger challenge than Schalke.

If we escape relegation, the man must go as soon as we get confirmation of such. This season has shown that he is totally out of his depth. By attempting to keep to his so called football philosophies regardless of what everyone can see, this man could sound the death knell of our Club, while he himself swans off somewhere else to try his theories.

God help us... there must be a dozen managers better qualified than him.

Last season, around Christmas, there was a thread about us possibly qualifying for the CL. Personally I was all for it but I did say if we didnÂ’t manage 4th IÂ’d prefer we missed the EL places - didnÂ’t go down too well !

As I said above the EL campaign is masking MartinezÂ’ incompetence and I believe that is the only thing that has kept the clown in the job. Regardless of what weÂ’re doing in Europe Martinez should be judged on the PL and in my opinion should be long gone.

Speaking of Sharpy; one of his former teammates Gary Linaker stated (the bleedin' obvious really) that good players make good teams and bad players makes bad teams; so where do we stand in this? We've got a team chock full of internationals, and at least five of the players wouldn't look out of place in the Sky 5 teams, as evidenced by a lot of the players being on the radar of 'bigger clubs'.

However here we are again; lots of possession, we haven't been beaten in a man-against-boys way, and of course the team keeping the averages up of four shots on target, two goals conceded.

Who knows maybe it is time for Martinez to go, as managers with less talent to work with have been sacked for better records than that recorded by the team this season. Personally I don't like changing managers at the drop of a hat, because it usually ends up in tears; but if he is to go-Slaven Bilic anyone?

Now I’m not saying go and get McClaren but someone who tells it as it is instead of all this ’phenomenal’ bollocks and ’in the moment’ crap. He must be the only person connected with the club that can’t see the danger were in. FFS goals win games and we don’t score them – simple as that. When will he learn? I’ll tell you: when it’s too late.

Fuck the Europa League, we won’t win that. We need wins in the Premier League. I personally don’t think we’ll get anything at Stoke because of our atrocious away form, so it’s imperative we beat Newcastle, Burnley and Sunderland at home and maybe a couple of draws along the way.

But everyone knows it doesn’t work like that. There’s no urgency or fight within the squad and I really can’t see us beating many sides. These are worrying times indeed.

My most worrying aspect of our football is the lack of attacking options in our play. Our manager is young and is not willing to change his football philosophy. My thought when he was at Wigan was the lack of quality in the team but no it’s the lack of tactical styles applied to the team.

How do we get out of this mess? The manager will not be sacked before the end of the season but I do feel his interview today was a man in trouble.

The chairman will be concerned because we are not improving and every game has the same story. He will know the fans are not happy. I don’t see us getting to 40 points but I still think we will stay up based on other teams below us. Please don’t ask me to put money on it!

Perhaps last season we over-achieved or the additions (loans) had something to prove. Also, the defence had a solid system from the previous management team. The manager has set his seeds into the style and mentality in how we play.

I could not give a shit about the Europa League, the Premier League is our bread and butter. Wigan won the FA Cup, got relegated and will be playing in the third tier next season. The manager has to go in the summer whatever happens because he is not willing to change when it is going wrong and that will continue into next season.

Point in question: what are we doing, fucking about in midfield passing it sideways, backwards with about minimum movement forwards?

Oh, that’s possession football... Goals win matches – does Roberto not know this?

There are a lot of people who want Martinez out but there are a lot more across the park that want us to keep him and just gloating that they never hired him. I have supported Everton since the early 50s and have never heard so much anger against a manager so early in his time at the club.

As far as BK goes, do not let him tell us how much of an Everton supporter he is as he is willing to let our club become a laughing stock on Merseyside.

Martinez had to go post Christmas but some of us weren’t ready for it. Funnily enough, that tiny minority still aren’t ready for it. Some would keep El Pied Piper into relegation. Unfortunately, we’re now going to reap what some people insisted, very vociferously, that we sow.

The Premier League is a very unforgiving league. Our saving grace is the bottom four just aren’t winning anything. So, already we find our fate in the hands of other teams. If one starts to pick up points, we’ll be in real trouble, right quick.

Our abysmal record under Martinez offers little hope. Our last 11 games, in the context of the Leicester game, are all tough challenges. We’re in a relegation scrap, we have been since Christmas, and anyone who can’t see it is crazy.

Where this will end, I fear to think. The only thing that is sure is that we made a grave error not losing Roberto after the Christmas debacle. Many had the foresight to see the actions needed. Sadly a few, including our chairman, decided to put their ego first. Shameful.

He is as far away from Everton as is possible to get. He will take us down. If not this season then next.

We know the squad can play. So why are they not? He has coached Ross to confusion, poor lad. Would RL have signed if we had played in this manner last season? How many players would have left?

BK gave him a 5-year contract and looks a bit of a twerp at the moment. Cannot, will not pay RM off? BK. Your toy is breaking. It is a sinking ship. Do not let the EL distract from the evidence as it will be harder to get a buyer when in The Championship.

As a person, I like RM. He is just not the man to manage EFC.

Why oh Why do match going Evertonians put up it? I hold Billy Bullshit equally responsible for our plight. He is the only one who can save us from disaster. It is obvious that Roberto does not have a clue.

In contrast, we are stuck with this fucking stubborn idiot who wouldn’t recognise change if it smacked him on his smiling post-match interviews describing another phenomenal loss. Do us all a favour, Martinez, you are out of your depth.

Get a manager in who can get the players fit, toughened up, organised, practice set pieces, competitive, hard to beat and up for the battle that lies ahead.

Like Moyes with more bravery and tactical nouse in trying to win games. I suggest Mark Hughes (due to our financial situation and our league position, we ainÂ’t going to get the next Mourinho, get a tough son of a gun in to get the fire back in the bellies.

Will be hard to get Hughes now, maybe in the summer. But we need to find another Joe Royle and quickly, before this turns into our worst nightmare.

Where’s the pace, passion and intensity to our play?

Football isn’t an ’art form’

It’s a visceral, win at all costs game where there are no prizes for being ’nice’.

Wake up or move on, RM.

This wonderful club and its supporters deserve so much better.

Lose aginst Stoke on Wednesday and he will need it. Otherwise we can look forward to trips to the likes of Huddersfield and Brighton next season.

As soon as Arsenal scored we knew it was all over, normally our fans are great, keep singing, but everyone looked at each other around me and everyone knew what was going to happen. You know it’s bad when even the fans can’t be arsed.

Oh and my unwanted record of never seeing Everton win at either Highbury or The Emirates is still intact.

I’ve just realised they don’t watch cartoons; they watch recordings of Countdown because that can be the only place this moron gets his post-match big-word diatribe from.

How many times in the first half did Seamus get the ball in space on the right and instead of going forwards, he came inside and gave to one of the midfield? Yet last season he would have just run with it to the byeline and crossed it in or played a one-two with someone and blasted it into the roof of the net.

Firstly, whatever happened to putting men on the posts to defend a corner?

Secondly, after seeing the RS goals why din’t we try a couple of shots from distance seeing that Mirallas and Barkley are perfectly capable?

His early spat with the new boss smokescreened his worrying departure; here was a consummate pro (albeit past his best) who had seen it all, played under numerous managers & been a resounding success. For him to up sticks barely months into his tenure here, should have set alarm bells ringing that all wasn’t well under Roberto’s tutalage?

I can imagine the younger players like Ross etc, who would have been in awe of Eto’o, must have been affected & wondering whether A-list players have a place at our club?

Next thing: Kevin & Rom are talking Champions League ambitions, obviously not with us. Sadly, I think there will be an exodus come the summer.

What is everybody worrying about?

Villa will recover in the next three games. Sunderland and Hull will limp past us too. This season has been like a lorry hurtling out of control down a very long hill for months. The crash is getting closer. The EL is just a distraction for manager and players from the harsh reality that we cannot get results because we are nowhere near as good as they think we are.

There’s arrogance aplenty in our side, but no passion, no belief, no fight, no grit, and that’s what it takes down where we are. After Stoke both the next games can be derailed by EL.

If we get beat at QPR on the way back from Kiev the situation could be close to desperate. How can this be? How can we lack the necessary grit and fight with players like Naismith, Barkley, Coleman, Stones, McCarthy, Besic, Gibson, Barry, Jagielka and Baines? You have to blame the manager.

Why does he have to play three CDM’s? No creativity in our play today, expecting Lukaku, Mirallas and Barkley to produce a performance to win us the game, sadly that didn’t happen.

I’m not sure what Martinez is doing with Barkley, at times I see flashes of brilliance followed by complete inaction. I assume he plays like that because that’s what the manager wants. Same with Lukaku.

Injuries and poor form with our attacking options have clearly hampered any progression from last season. Pienaar and Osman, although not world beaters, you know what you’re going to get, 100% effort and they don’t hide. Naismith is the only other player I can think of who continues to give 100%.

This season we’ve seen the progression of Stones and Lukaku. The emergence of Garbutt and Besic, Robles could be our next keeper, Browning and Ledson have both played.

Inexperience is on it’s way, well in fact it’s here. Add Barkley to the list and you can see it clearly, most moan youth isn’t given it’s chance.
The reason it’s rarely given its chance is because it will make mistakes, lack consistency and produce sub-par performances.

Mirallas, Jags, Howard, Baines, Coleman and Barry are our senior pros out on the pitch, our leaders to guide the youth. All of them have been woeful at times, often all at once.

Hopefully a fit Osman, Pienaar and Gibson can bring back the bit of Everton that’s been missing (clutching at straws I know).

Besides all the boxes Martinez doesn’t tick, the most worrying thing right now is complacency.

He seems to be living in a different world from the rest of us and that is transmitting to the players.

I honestly do not believe that the players are playing for him so it doesn’t matter who he chooses.

IMO he is a dead man walking and the sooner we end this agony the better.

No-one, including the players, expected a win.

If we stay up, it won’t be because we suddenly turned the corner; what we have seen all season will continue. If the bottom 3 have any kind of good run, then we are down.

We know the manager won’t get sacked; we also know that he will be in charge next season.

It beggars belief that this smiling fool is still in a job. Did he really turn down the RS job? Or is he on their pay roll to take us down?

Hey look no McCarthy Besic or Barry in my team. We defend as a team and attack as a team. Mix it up with long balls and whipping in crosses into the box. Something’s got to change and Phil Neville’s comments were right on the money. Perhaps he would be the man to replace Martinez?

Football is a straightforward game. The purpose is to win games. Or at least try. Sorry for stating the bloody obvious. But would someone please point that out to Mr. Martinez. He is not winning any plaudits with this possession based game. He can get his team tippy tapping the ball until the cows come home. But we need to start hitting the onion bag. And soon.

And still people on some of these threads are defending Martinez. He will wave his magic wand, and everything will be wonderful. What a load of crap.

And what was the reason for the warm weather training break. A complete waste of time. Goodnight.

I don’t like what’s hapening but the only exception to this would be if we’re right in the mire, and I don’t believe we are. I’d give him this season and the first third of next season to show what he can do.

We are too talented to go down, which is why it's more likely to happen(!). Exactly because we don't grind it out, is why we keep getting beat.

I am very very worried, 40 years of supporting Everton and watching some bloody dire stuff and some close shaves....this smells, feels and looks the worst I've seen (including Gareth Farrelly, Paul Gerrard, Mitch Ward, Craig Short...).

While we're on that goal, what was going on in the live forum during the game? ToffeeWeb was always a fairly well informed group of people but yesterday we seemed to have regressed into soccer AM morons. Quite a few responding to that goal with criticism of Howard flapping.

I can guess you can never know if people are actually watching the game. If they were watching then that would be quite an odd response.

Then I tuned in to our game: drudgery, nonsense passing along the back, no football brains, nobody wants the ball, canÂ’t get rid quickly enough, Coleman runs 40 yards with the ball and stops... then runs 40 yards back again.

Some players in blue seem not to be bothered too much, whilst others would die for the jersey. Ross posted missing again; he needs to be taken to one side and told in no uncertain terms what’s expected of him. I want him and a few others to be up for this scrap that we are in – just look at the Pulis ethic at Albion. NSNO

There is an awful feeling that we are just sliding through our fixtures and that we can't get a grip. I think that is because relegation has become inconceivable for us, it has not been part of our Everton consciousness for 65 years and so it is easy to think that it will never happen. Therein lies the danger.

We'd better wake up. Yesterday was typical: a couple of near misses for us, a sloppy set piece goal, a deflection. But never any conviction that we would win or take the initiative. It's become a habit and it could be fatal if we don't shake ourselves out of it.

It's a trophy. It's CL qualification.

I wonder if they're just going through the motions waiting for the games that still mean something.

The guy simply won’t change his ’phylosophy’ to best suit the players we have. The only way I can see him succeeding is if we buy practically an entirely new squad. That’s not going to happen anytime soon so question is, do you really want to risk him maybe succeeding in 2-3 years time at the very real and present risk of taking us down?

Maybe with Gibson, Osman and Pienaar back things will change. However, starting away to arsenal with 7 defensive outfield players was an obvious play for a 0-0 draw. That’s as bad as any white flag waving we had under Moyes and is simply not acceptable.

If we lose to Stoke my fear is that BK still won’t do anything. For me Martinez should have walked after the xmas debacle. The guy is so out of his depth it’s unreal. I cannot imagine there are many in the squad who believe in his ’style’. He will be gone at some point, I just hope it’s before it’s too late.

I donÂ’t want to sound too negative, but do we think that the RS shower over the road would put up with this crap for the last 10 months? Remember how quickly they hounded out Woy. IÂ’m not saying I approved of their methods, but they worked. ThereÂ’s no way that Brenda would get away with what El Bob does.

Maybe itÂ’s time for some placards and banners at Goodison... ItÂ’s not the Everton Way; however, we cannot let this idiot take us down. If itÂ’s not this season, it will be next season.

We are just fortunate to have five or six equally poor teams around us, else we would be cast adrift in bottom three by now. This is not just a knee-jerk reaction to SundayÂ’s loss, I have been voicing this type of concern since October of last year.

It was like watching a slow motion version of last year at the Emirates. Plenty of possession, but this time not doing anything with it. And I can't see how it's going to change – that's the worrying thing.

Oh the joy of supporting Everton – at least I have my memories of bygone days!!!

Oh Jesus.

We need a manager with top flight experience and gravitas, not a gobby upstart. What next? Robbie Savage as assistant??

It's not so far-fetched mind - he'd be a perfect BK patsy.

"Confidence still high despite 2-0 defeat" – Seriously? What the fuck???

Is there not one person on the board, management or playing staff that will actually have the balls to come out and say we have been totally shit since pre-season and no amount of this dribble about confidence, performance etc can hide that???

We are seeing a total re-run of MartinezÂ’s last season at Wigan: a cup run papering over the cracks of a dismal season...

Rodgers was 3 points behind us in the run-up to Christmas... theyÂ’re now in a Champions Leauge position due to his man-management and tactical skills... just shows up our manager for what he is. NOT ACCEPTABLE.

Yep, then we can drop Z-Cars and take the field to this................
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I was surprised at how well he did during his first season but fully expected/accepted there may be some regression during this, his second season. However I would still have expected to see some signs of his philosophy/intended way forward to be evident for all to see.

What has shocked me is the scale of the regression, no sign of his intentions being evident and the inane comments he seems to be spouting more and more these days.

While my heart hopes your views are right my head is more and more telling me that he has totally lost the plot. He just canÂ’t seem to see what is obvious to all other than himself and to rely on one way/method of playing is utterly stupid.

There are obviously times when you need to make adjustments according to the situation. Roberto has consistently shown that he either doesnÂ’t see this or is blindingly ignoring it rather than admit he is wrong.

While my heart agrees with your view, my head is telling me he must go for the good of EFC and all concerned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5sQL7q_IOI

Neville to manage Everton ? He's yet to convince me that he's fit to manage our U-16s.

Jeez! What a sobering thought! And frightening for the future, though we might avoid having to play them next year.

That Roberto's doing a great job isn't he?

Europa league is his only saving grace, but I personally don't think its enough. We need to be competitive in the league first and foremost, and any goodwill from last season has long expired.

How I would love that team to be us but unfortunately it was the shower across Stanley Park! Rogers was in trouble earlier in the season but has sorted them out and adapted to life without Suarez. Can Roberto do likewise and transform us into a vibrant, young attacking side?

I used to think he could but one win in ten in the league has me questioning this now.

In my youth I attended a few days at Lilleshall with our university team, our coach was an England youth coach called Meads (Meades?). He kept shouting "width and depth", by which he was telling us to keep possession until we could make a forward pass. Martinez doesn't seem to worry about depth and his players are so scared of giving the ball away they just keep going sideways and backwards.

Possession is the goal for Martinez, but it's possession without purpose, possession without penetration, possession for its own sake. And other teams have rumbled this and just keep their shape and wait for us to make a mistake when they regain the ball.

I was at game yesterday and felt the mood was seriously gloomy, again we sold our full allocation. RM should be told to start getting back to basics, two men at the posts for corners, stop fannying about at the back, and move ball rapid to forwards.

The RS play to their glory huntersÂ’ demands: quick movement creates urgency and tension... slow build up, and you think a quick cup of tea, before we move 25 yards forward.

IÂ’m sticking with RM, but he has to change tactics or else weÂ’re fucked.

I've been pro-Martinez and anti manager-sacking but it's gone far enough. Does BK want to wait until there are queues of red-shirted fans at Wickes buying coffin timber?

This is extremely serious. I don't care about 'not our way', we need loud protest from fans at games. Europa League is utterly academic when Premier League survival has become so fragile. The fun of playing in the Champions League and the Championship will not last.

I'm not sure who else agrees here but my own opinion is that we really really, really miss one player in particular. A player who has the ability to bring out the best in others around him. A player who is like the cement that glues all the other components together and makes them work more efficiently and effectively. A highly underrated player who I believe has a massive influence on the way we build up attacks and give them that cutting edge that brings goals.

The player in question – Steven Pienaar.

As for an alternative to take the reigns, what about Slaven Bilic? (sorry I haven't read all the other comments here so someone else may have mentioned his name). I saw the way he set up his Besiktas team to play the RS recently and thought he might do a good job for us.