Martinez disappointed by Chelsea's conduct

We're too nice from top to bottom and regularly get screwed over because there is no consequence to screwing us over. Management, players and media barely cause a ripple and that's our own fault.

Some say it's too late after the games over, but drawing attention to these injustices, taking fines for slaughtering referees and pressuring them during games eventually gets you favours in the end. If you don't, you just get the occasional split decision that doesn't actually affect the result. This is high stakes, professional sport and we're just not competing.

Chelsea top that list closely followed by the RS and Arsenal. I have not once heard Maureen, Brenda or Le Arse utter a single word of reproach about it. The two ’pacifist’ managers I mentioned earlier are Moyes and Martinez.

Ronaldo & co demanded a red for Rooney, Batituta, Simeone & co made sure Beckham went and imagine if Maradona had tried his hand of God thing against Germany, the inventors of cheating.

England, Everton and other fair teams are cannon fodder for referees, even the honest ones. Ask Gerrard. He calls it "Taking advantage of the situation" because that's the way he's been coached and he knows it works. He doesn't see it as cheating. Mourinho and Guardiola don't see it as cheating. As Mike Price points out, It's high stakes and anything goes.

Only then will the FA start to make refs do something about the likes of Skrtel who get away with it every game.

If someone had me in a bear lock from behind - pinning both my arms down and therefore leaving me in a ridiculous vulnerable position... And then...

The the same perpetrator grabs me from behind via submission hold around the neck...?

I'd slug the fucker right in the mouth.

James exhibited unbelievable restraint and unfortunately proved nice guys finish last.

I'd never blame a player for taking 3 to 6 games off for defending himself - especially seeing how refs never assess the situations properly.

And this ref was a certifiable moron.

We knew how the Chelsea players would be conducting themselves before we set off. You either rise above it or you meet fire with fire, but let's stop acting hard done by.

If Lukaku puts his boots on the right feet, the antics of the Chelsea players become irrelevant.

Not a bad performance, but "Nice" Everton have had their kecks taken down again. Martinez needs to stop bleating and start thinking about how to turn his side into winners.

Barkley wasn't great, but he posed a threat, and we always have a chance to break when he is on the pitch. Besic booked after 4 minutes then never put a foot wrong and was clever with his defensive work after this.

Barry is a player I like, and I actually thought he was MotM at Palace. But the pace was slower and his experience counted that day. Against Liverpool when the game was quicker, I actually felt we was a man down, and for the first time in 40 years of watching Everton I was screaming towards the bench to drag a player off.

His first yellow card showed his distinct lack of pace at this level and therefore made his second booking for again being made to look to slow unforgivable.

Unforgivable? The manager kept him on when better players were hooked, so maybe you can't blame the player.

Chelsea are top of the league and there manager is an out and out winner, so what did you expect when Barry made such a stupid decision for the second time Roberto?

Contrast that with Besic, who again for me, despite being booked early, was excellent and sensible with his challenges thereafter. Another massive balls up from the manager to add to his ever growing collection!

On a positive note, how good is John Stones? If there was an award for tackle of the season, he would have had it nailed on last night.

Oh I wish Lukaku had scored that point-blank effort.

I'm gutted, but take heart that we can now defend. You can guess I hate Chelsea!!!!

I hope the FA look at these incidents and take the necessary action, and to me it is perhaps Mourinho who wants his players to be like this after watching him storm away from the BBC interviewer when asked about his own players.

I feel the referee should be moved down a couple of leagues and given a telling off. What makes me sick about this is Ivanovic should of been Red Carded and it was his header that reached Willian to score their winner.

It is all about three points and when Chelsea looked as though they weren't going to get them they resorted to what we witnessed at the end.

We have a man sent off; they get the three points scored by a man who also should have been sent off – RM complains and sits on the coach on the way home moaning about the Chelsea players whilst Mourinho was at home, feet up cigar on.

We can feel entirely satisfied with the behaviour of our players, particularly McCarthy who should be applauded for his restraint. Meanwhile, Chelsea got the 3 points.

Do I feel proud of our boys behaving properly and coming away with 0 points? Of course I do, don't I?

The Leicester game is massive because Leicester themselves have to win realistically to have hope of surviving. It will be interesting to see what side RM picks for the EL.

I hope absolutely nothing happens to Ivanovic and I'd honestly be gutted if he got a three match ban.

We get shat on and three OTHER teams get the benefit? Fuck that!

He didn't get sent off when he should have against us, but... that's it for me.

Given our position, it would be salt in the wound to ban him and make it easier for Chelsea's next three opponents (especially Leicester and Burnley).

They do it because they're not good enough to win fairly.

I wish Brian Clough was still around.

It is ridiculous that McCarthy was punished and I believe Ivanovic escaped caution? (I think this means he can be punished by the FA unless the Ref mentions him in the match notes)

What I wouldn’t give for a Tim Cahill like character on the pitch again.

Everyone knows it, but no one does anything about it.

A very British affair indeed...

I think Everton will now stay up in the Premier League, they wont finish in bottom three. Champions League is still on, we’ve just got to win the Europa League now so let’s start seeing some fucking goals that win games please.

Sad as it all is, it makes me pleased I support the best, most historic, most dignified club in Britain.

The only way to cut out this sort of thing from the game would be for retrospective action to lead to a direct detriment for the offending club by docking them points. So, the result reverts to the scoreline at the time it happen. Chelsea lose 2 points and you can bet Jose would be telling his players to behave and stay away from the ref.

The other point was,we suffer double detriment. The original detriment on the night as his header led to the goal and the further detriment as a result of any retrospective ban as any ban benefits the other teams they play who are those teams in and around us in the league.

However, after the ensuing fracas had died down, how could the ref think that booking James McCarthy and not even speaking to Ivanovic was the appropriate course of action? Who had the other player in a head lock? James McCarthy didn't retaliate in any way at all. From the photo above it's not as if he didn't see it. No doubt he was scared of a Mourinho backlash.

Unbelievable.

Where was Jags though? Rearranging his socks – like he was when KM was deciding that he was a better penalty taker than Baines? I am afraid our skipper is not a leader on the pitch – he should have been in there giving it some!

To those wondering why Barry was left on, his role was different than that of Besic. If you think Besic is a true defensive mid you are wrong. Barry, if you watched, is the player telling the others where to be and when to push up and pressure. Numerous times during the game you could see him telling Lennon and Lukaku and Barkley and Besic where to go. That is why he stays on because he is controolling and directing the shape of the team defensively.

A number of them are saying there was nothing in it and happens all the time in a game with a couple saying he was only giving McCarthy a hug. I can just imagine these guys having a pint in their local and someone comes up and grabs them around the throat, and as they turn around to clock him he says "What's up with you? I am just giving you a hug."

I hope the FA give him more than a 3-match ban but will not hold my breath.

Eugene #22. I agree with your comment that is no help to us if they do ban him but you cannot condone this type of action just because it is no benefit to your club. There should be no place for either Ivanovic's or Chelsea's players' actions in the game and it is about time the FA got some backbone to stamp it out.

People wondered why Barry was left on because some people thought Besic/McCarthy would have been a better partnership.

Jags should be directing operations on the field and if you are going to tell me he is too far away in the back line, then he should not be captain in the first place.

If Barry is left on - then it has to be because he is the best player in that position at that point in time. If that is the case, then so be it. Me? I would have put Besic and McCarthy together - but then again I am not a football manager's backside.

This idea that Barry needs to be in the team because he sits deeper than the other two, so what? They are both quality ball winning midfielders and played in a 3 with Barkley as their outlet player we need never see Barry huffing and puffing his way around the field picking up stupid yellows again.

Once, just once I'd love to see an Everton player turn around and deck an opponent after being manhandled.

The likes of Terry, Skertel, Collins get away with it in every game

Eugene, I made the very same point after that other shit, Cisse of Newcastle, received a ban after elbowing Coleman. We conceded the goal that day, other teams got the benefit. It makes you want the FA to drop all the trial by video, after the event crap. The sinned against don't get any justice so why bother?

Moss has screwed us over on more than one occasion. New plan for the next game we have with him - anyone gently roll the ball in his direction and Besic through the back of him poleaxe-like. We should start a collection for the fine now. It would be worth it.

Mourinho played it clever last night, and by threatening to walk out the press conference was basically sending a message to the FA!

Surprised if either team will get anything but a warning, but it does show the benefits of having such a powerful MANAGER in charge.

Which manager is going to give more stick to referees when decisions don't go their way? Referee's in this country appear to want to be friends with the top players and managers. Don't upset the top club managers, could make it difficult with the FA. Or the FA don't want to upset top managers.

Europe needs to pool all officials from top leagues and rotate between leagues. Referee's would not feel so pressurised by top clubs and managers.

It is about time he grew a pair and stopped behaving like a pre schooler.

You love football, but you have never supported a team? Besides Chris Foy, another Evertonian, not one of these Refs has ever told us the truth.

Clever man Clough, Ian, his players didn't need to talk to the Ref, because they were all scared of their manager!

Instead of whinging about opponents' aggressive attitude, he should take a leaf out of their book by telling his players to man up and give as good as they take.

A bit of aggression from himself could be a good example. His first move should be to find or buy a proper captain. Jags struggles to nail down his defensive role and, unlike any number of other captains, he could do with a more of a commanding presence.