Red card will benefit Stones

He got sent off for a mistake that wasnÂ’t punished by a goal from the penalty or any further damage to the scoreline after that. If youÂ’re going to make errors and learn from them, thatÂ’s exactly the way to do it.

HeÂ’s learning on the job as he becomes a future Everton captain and weÂ’re not getting punished for it. Seems frigginÂ’ ideal to me...

Howard is 35 and there ainÂ’t no teachinÂ’ that old dog new tricks. If you seriously think that Stones has nothing left to learn at aged 20 well, I canÂ’t help you...

But that'll come with experience, a future Everton captain in my view and a England regular. Can't agree with what Martinez said, though. It'll benefit him... How?

Martinez has more to learn than Stones. Sunday will tell us more about our manager than it will about Stones.

And yes, appreciate it was an ironic comment on our managers positive approach (rightly or wrongly). But if he's right on this one – he's just right.

In any event, Distin and Jags have been caught doing the same thing in recent memory and they are both old pros.

On the plus side, they missed the penalty and may have scored had he not dragged the guy back.

He did something similar a couple of weeks back and RM said he wouldn't criticize him for it; well, maybe if he had, he wouldn't have made the same mistake only weeks later. I could well imagine what Ferguson or Mourinho would have said if their young defender had made the same mistake again.

The lad will learn from his mistakes but the older, more experienced players need to help him with this.

Stones needs to learn when to get rid of the ball and nothing like a red card to focus the mind.

I still think Stones is going to be an incredible player in the future.

Stones should have known better, but no harm done, so a positive outlook is appropriate for such a fantastic prospect.

John 32 - I don't think the 'Martinez Out' brigade is as small as you think. If we fail to beat Leicester tomorrow, it will grow bigger, regardless of Thursday's performance.

"In the league we have carried a bit of responsibility for the expectations we have created ourselves. And that's a process that you need to be able to develop to have the mentality to cope with that."

Que?

I was just talking to a friend of mine who is a Leicester supporter and going to the game tomorrow. Interestingly, he doesn't expect to lose and with a bit of luck the general feeling is that they could sneak it.

Of course I told him to piss off but it is interesting that nobody seems to fear us.

John #32 I don't want to turn this into a Martinez out rant but a couple of good results will not disguise a totally disgraceful showing since the end of last season.

I remember Rio Ferdinand playing an absolute shocker when he was about Stone's age, when we beat West Ham 6-0. He didn't repeat it very often.

Lukaku – what do we make of him, shit for most of the game but he kept going. Atsu may've had a good African Nations Cup but I think he should go back to Chelsea.

The real shambles is Howard he must go at end of the season. Another debate is midfield as there is no-one who really scores goals. There needs to be some serious thinking about the squad at the end of the season, with more players who can score added.