Mirallas lauds Everton's 12th man

Well, hereÂ’s one... try putting in 90 minutes for us! But you probably have tired arms as well as legs polishing your fucking gold Bentley!

Someone wake me up when this farce of a season is finally over!!!

We could win the damned Europa League and still barely get a mention in the media.

I have more chance of winning the lottery, so I might just buy a ticket.

Still, at least weÂ’re never short of an excuse.

LetÂ’s hope they can Â’man upÂ’ (hate that saying!!!!) soon.

Nevertheless I hope the crowd is fully behind the team over next 6+ home games as we need it!

It is a given that we will be doing our bit – you lot just get on and do yours!

One doesnÂ’t seem to have any effect on the other. Good form in Europa League does not produce momentum, confidence or belief in the Premier League. Dreadful form in the Premier League doesnÂ’t have a negative impact in the Europa League. It really is like a different set of players. ThereÂ’s genuine belief and verve when they play in Europe. 3 days later thereÂ’s nothing.

I for one am thankful for the distraction of Thursday night football.

Hero to Zero really does exist.

TheyÂ’ll be there for the full 90 mins again this Thursday, thatÂ’s two times 45 mins. You might like to try it some time... Instead of turning up for 10 mins and disappearing for 35!

Many on here keep saying we won’t go down but just look at QPR, Burnley and Leicester – their teams are fighters fighting and we look like fucking sheep every game.

Out of the Europa League, survival and re-group for next year – hopefully under new management.

The inevitable excuse if we donÂ’t will be that we lack match practice.

And fuck you for praising our fans, and attempting to positively interact with a fanbase you pissed off with recent antics. You should just stay quiet and give up.

I only want players who want to play for this club at Everton. Unless they are Hibbert, or Osman, or Naismith before he got good, or Robles before he played in the team properly.

I just want us to go out of this tournament anyway. I do not care if it is a welcome distraction in a horrendous mess of a season. Clearly tired legs and not tactics are to blame, and as Alan says, QPR, Burnley and Leicester, with their 13 defeats, 4 draws and 1 win between them in their last 18 league games, are fighting.

This is my vote for the most miserable, and at times ill-informed, thread. Congratulations, we are all pissed off about the league. Some of us had the foresight to be pissed off before the season began, before suddenly coming into the realisation, and associated tantrums, because something was wrong. But this is a thread primarily related to the Europa League, where we have generally been fantastic, and done the double over the hot favourites for the competition.

The majority of us want Martinez out. Everyone of us is pissed off about our Premier League form. But letÂ’s have a little positivity when it comes to the Europa League, which still offers a potential chance for Champions League football, and at worse, a means to increase our differential ahead of (hopefully) later European adventures when weÂ’ve changed management, and gone back to working with what we have, rather than we hope we have.

HeÂ’s always been in and out of games, heÂ’s always had questionable bravery, and heÂ’s always been prone to poor decision-making. ThatÂ’s why he cost ٤m and plays for us. Suddenly all those things are Â’proofÂ’ that he wants out.

In terms of natural talent, heÂ’s way above any of our other attacking players and he would be playing at a much higher level if the above werenÂ’t true.

Now heÂ’s trying to make positive noises and build some bridges and weÂ’ve got people knocking him for it. Probably the same people who say Phil Neville was a poor captain because he waved his arms and shouted, and JagielkaÂ’s a poor captain because he doesnÂ’t wave his arms or shout.

Some of the negativity on these pages is scary.

I would be too embarrassed to even show my twatting beardy face – never mind trying to analyse why we are so shit. You, Mr Howard, need to look in the fucking mirror. You will see a shit goalie staring back at you.

Will we suddenly tonk Newcastle 4-0 if Kiev turn us over tomorrow? But, if we beat Kiev, then will we lose 1-0 to Newcastle or scrape a late draw?

IÂ’d like to suggest an alternative way forward: the players actually try performing in both competitions. We progress in the Europa League and pick up the wins needed to stay up in the Premier League. It shouldnÂ’t be that difficult, should it? I donÂ’t go to a meeting in work and say some really incisive points and then, three days later, go to another meeting and be really shit because I was good at the one three days earlier.

Now we are into the knockout stages in Europe, and coming up against players and coaches who are more experienced and wiser in these competitions, itÂ’s going to get a lot tougher. These people know how to play two-legged knockout football. DonÂ’t expect the same naivety we saw from Young Boys.

Similar to the cup replay at West Ham, if we had shown the same attitude and fighting spirit in the PL as we showed that night at Upton Park, we would probably have many more points on the board.

But it could of course be that the players donÂ’t feel the pressure in the EL and are therefore more relaxed and thus perform better.

I can see both sides of the argument regarding Europe – if Everton progress, that is a good thing for the club and the players... but, if that progress fails to herald an improvement in domestic results, it might well get in the way and become a hindrance. On the other hand, if we go out of the EL, the players may still not improve on the domestic front and we continue to worry about the unthinkable.

Everything really depends on how the players perform domestically; if they do that better than they have done thus far, progress in the EL will be welcome.

Sick of the talking in the press. Start producing on the pitch!

Then there are the "Wounded Few", who believe that they really belong in the CL.

Consequently the football is more adventurous and less sterile, so more clubs "give it a crack" to get to the "interesting stages", or sod off and stop wasting their time.

Presently, we are in one of the "rounds of limbo".

Mirallas – the fans have supported this team through the most boring and mediocre season that I can remember. They've turned up both home and away filling both GP and away sections regular as clockwork. The fans do the full 90 mins so why can't you!!

Howard – it's not your fault that the manager cannot see how poor a season you've had but either way it's another player PR disaster by coming out and rattling on about EFC being sussed out this season. No it's not! Fundamentally the biggest loss of points is down to individual errors and one of the biggest culprits is you!!

I know there is an obligation to Uefa to bring in a player to talk to the press but if there is no requirement, every one of the players should get their heads down, stop talking and get on with job of getting us out the mess that they got us into. In fact the club should throw an embargo over everything until we are safe in the PL. We are all fed up with the same old dross coming out on a weekly basis.

Nah, fuck off!!!

ToffeeWeb masses – fuckin' big shot!!! Probably too busy cleaning his gold Bentley.

Yawn!!

Now me personally I love Naismith. He is the only one this season thatÂ’s broken sweat and at the very least tried. We can all say about his lack of skill nah nah nah nah but tell me one player who has tried harder?

Anyway heÂ’s now blabbing about winning that shite EL and admitting "maybe possibly thereÂ’s room for improvement in the league," "teams have sussed us out," etc etc etc. What a load of shite!!!

Surely the Club can afford to take the hit, pay the fine and keep these arseholes as far away from the media as possible – especially the clown who is manager !!

Results in the EL have 100% NOT given us confidence in the following PL games. The EL has been a distraction to supporters on the total incompetence of the manager and his staff. Had we gone out at the group stage, I very much doubt we would be discussing Martinez’s future – he would have been gone!! This is the sad fact.

Whilst we are progressing in the EL, supporters are continuing to give Martinez the benefit of the doubt regardless that he is jeopardising the major issue, our Premier League survival.

Last season, we had a thread when we were discussing the possibility of getting into the CL. I said at the time that I would love us to come 4th but if we couldn’t then I would prefer we dropped down and out of the EL placings – that didn’t go down too well. Well, that’s how I felt then and nothing’s changed

The club are obligated to bring a player to the media conference and to be fair to Naismith he was asked more questions about our PL performance than the EL. However, he spewed the usual gubbage about winning the trophy. It wouldn't have mattered who was sat there with Martinez, the same old nonsense would have come out.

I agree with you about keeping all players away from the media but in the EL situation Uefa are a law to themselves. You do what they say. Just look how they take over a stadium prior to PL game.

YouÂ’re right of course. Just pisses me off treating the supporters like idiots!

Yeah, they are treating the fans like fools and the manager is the worst culprit.

All over the country, on Fridays and Saturdays, drunks (drunkenly) blab in interview rooms.

"Yeah I twatted him but only coz he fuggin..um...was..yer know"

Months later, stone cold sober, as they stand in court hearing back the drivel that'll will probably convict them, they must think 'why couldn't I keep my fucking trap shut?'

Frankie Howerd: "A case of loose lips sink shits, I said loose....oh suit yerself, dear."

Okay so speaking to the press isn't quite the same, but there is one similarity – the more you say, the more they have to hang you with.

I've read many over the years say 'Well they have to do it, they're obliged, the press expect...' etc but my response to that was always Duncan Ferguson.

Player/manager opinions (no matter who they are) usually make me sigh, but I suppose it's not really a big deal and these lads are only getting the welly now because of our position.

(Right now, Lukaku could express admiration for Mother Theresa and responses would be along the lines "Mother Theresa!? The lazy twat should be fucked off to Calcutta himself!!!").

I do wish they'd all say fuck-all though, be less chatty Cathy, more Big Duncan

Or if you're Tony Soprano, Gary Cooper.

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ANY club coming in with a half decent bid - take it and fuck off. You aren't half as good as you think you are, Mirallas.

Harold who comes on here uses very few words and speaks volumes.

Good news anyway the arseholes are out.

Chelsea are a disgrace to football but last season the RS set the standard.

Oh, by the way, Mirallas, start earning your wages and the crowd will get behind you. Don't criticize the Goodison faithful who pay your wages.

I'm as guilty, I get caught up in it all, the little voice in my head screaming get a grip man... The rational side of me agrees, and yet here I am reading every post every day, getting my pent up frustration fed.

I still think Martinez will take us down, and I used to be a "glass half-full" guy.