My Dad would approve

Roy Johnstone 20/06/2016 59comments  |  Jump to last
Like a good many of us, my love of the blues was started and encouraged by going to the match with my dad. He was a lifelong fan who attended his first match in 1946. AJ, as he was called, attended regularly throughout the late forties (taking in the 1948 record attendance derby), the dire days of the fifties, up to the mid-1990s when his health started to deteriorate.

He started taking me with him in 1977-78. What followed in the next 16 or so years was a roller-coaster ride of brilliance and joy, and if I could go back to certain days for a moment, I wouldn’t hesitate.

He was a big fan of Harry Catterick and the way he went about his business. Alan Ball was his hero of the time... "A genius" he called him. He loved Howard Kendall as a player and as a manager first time around. Never had time for Billy Bingham, or Gordon Lee from the moment he sold Duncan Mckenzie.

In short, he wasn’t lacking a forthright opinion on any player or manager at the club. I remember his comment about Geoff Nulty: “If he was playing in my back garden, I would draw the curtains.”

We went to over 300 games together in total, most at home, but a good few away games too. At my first, he jibbed me in to Ashton Gate in 1978 or 79 by squeezing me under the turnstile as he went in. We went to Villa Park and Elland Road for the 1980 FA Cup semi-finals. I’ll never forget the 5 minutes of “Bobby Latchford walks on water” after we equalized at the replay, only for Beardy Lampard to send us home gutted after that.

Gillingham twice in '84, Wembley twice in '84, then the season in the sun, in which a very lucky me got to go to Bayern away, the Luton semi-final that we should have lost, Rotterdam and Wembley. He refused to go to Wembley in 86 (had a bad feeling about it – very superstitious man), so we shared that pain on our couch in Anfield.

I will cut to the chase now as I’m sure there are thousands of blues with similar tales. He was a pretty good judge of character, and called it right on each manager we had. He (like myself and many others) felt Moyes should have gone after the Liverpool FA Cup semi-final. He let the world know in no uncertain terms what he felt about Kenwright letting him stay for the last two games after his move to Manchester United was announced.

Although he was really ill during Martinez’s first season, he clearly didn’t fancy him. “Likes the sound of his own voice too much, that feller!”

As a businessman himself, he liked Everton to do their business in the Everton way. No fuss, just announcements when a deal was concluded. Let everyone speculate, but say nowt. I think he would be happy with: a) The choice of Koeman and b) How we have gone about it. He rated him as a player. We watched Euro 88 games together and he waxed lyrical about the way he brought the ball out and his no-nonsense defending. He also called him a dirty cheating bastard when Graham Taylor’s team lost in Rotterdam, but added “we could do with one of those ourselves”. As a manager, he appears to talk less and do more, which is a refreshing change for all of us.

My dad died in February 2014 on a Saturday around 4:55 pm. The general consensus of the family was that he was waiting for the football results before he went. It a shame he didn’t live to see the Blues come out of their 'knives to a gunfight' stage. I am sure he would be as excited as me about what the future holds. As for Koeman, I think he would approve.

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Chris Williams
1 Posted 20/06/2016 at 14:48:23
That's a nice article and tribute to your Dad, Roy.

I had similar experiences with mine, who took me to Goodison for my 6th birthday in 1954, he also got me in free, but with the acquiescence of the man on the turnstile. Not a very expensive present perhaps but it proved to be a valuable one over the years.
Just imagine the massive highs, never long enough, and the lows, always too long. And what has seemed like an endless period of treading water, a long winded doldrums.

Character building or what?

My sons are now infected and it is only a matter of time before Jacob, 2 and a bit, will also be inducted into the Everton Way.

So thanks Dad for me getting to see the great 60s teams and the great 80s teams, and the great players in less than great teams, Duncan McKenzie, Latchford, Thomas, Dobson in the 70s, Collins, Parker, Hickson in the 50s.

And so on. Even in fallow times there was someone to hang your hat on, that extra bit of class and character.

Respect to Everton Dads everywhere.

Brian Williams
2 Posted 20/06/2016 at 17:37:14
I'm sure AJ does approve Roy!
Anto Byrne
3 Posted 20/06/2016 at 17:46:14
I remember when we bought Dave Clements, my old man said: "So long as he has a hole to shit out of, he will never be a footballer."

Always had a nice turn of phrase did the old man when talking all things Everton. Despised Lee and Bingham.

Danny O'Neill
4 Posted 20/06/2016 at 17:50:46
Roy, your experiences of Everton mirror mine to the extent that could be my tale (less the personal stuff regarding your father clearly; a true Evertonian).

I like the bit about conducting business. That's how I like it but unfortunately in this day and age of 24-hr Sky frenzied speculation many of our fans want us to be like the rest and react to it.

So far, I'm liking the way we are conducting ourselves. Age old saying applies: I'll say something when I've got something to say.

John Austin
5 Posted 20/06/2016 at 18:45:24
Nice one, Roy. Yes, I can relate to that. My first memory is my dad taking me to see the great championship-winning team of the sixties – Vernon, Young etc.

Then to Wembley in 66 at the age of 10. Crying at half time, singing at full time!

My 3 children were born and bred in North London. I had one or two worrying moments when they were young and impressionable and wanting to support Spurs or Arsenal. But they came through that, saw the light and thankfully are now True Blues.

Jeff Armstrong
6 Posted 20/06/2016 at 18:52:41
Funny how it's the same names that crop up when recalling mediocrity from the seventies after what people had seen before then. My old fella disliked Bingham and Lee too, he didn't like Nulty and absolutely detested Bernard and Buckley.

Again it was Ball, Kendall, Labone, Collins that he would recall as proper footballers. He'd stopped going by the time the good times started rolling again under HK, by then I'd taken up the family mantle.

Time will tell if we're about to "go" again, there's a lot of cash out there and all the clubs have got some. FFS, Watford turned down £25 million today for a decent forward who's hardly prolific if you take away his penalties.

Mick Davies
7 Posted 20/06/2016 at 19:10:40
Great story, and I'm sure your dad would approve... like a great many of us on here.
Alasdair Mackay
9 Posted 20/06/2016 at 21:03:42
Great article. We all owe so much to our Fathers.

My Dad passed in November last year. He was from a family of reds, turned blue and led me to Goodison. Now there are 3 Evertonians in the next generation, too.

He was never convinced about Martinez and I remember him always liking Koeman as a player. I think he'd be happy.

Gary Reeves
10 Posted 20/06/2016 at 23:11:45
I always have issues with the "perception and reality" of Gordon Lee's time as Manager. He's been painted as dour and dogged but that's just NOT my memory of his teams. I think his relationship with McKenzie defined him,for some – but then Duncan was a bit of a maverick and a liability ("One man's terrorist is another man's hero, etc etc!)

I just remember those late '70s teams bombing forward, and Goodison rocking – King, Thomas, Bob, Dobbo, scoring 4, 5 and 6, we were always involved at the top of the League. We were just scuppered by a strong Nottingham Forest and Liverpool teams.

Surely I'm not alone in these memories?

Brian Denton
11 Posted 20/06/2016 at 23:31:56
My dad probably of an older vintage than most. He was 14 when Dixie scored his 60th, and always told me he was there. Given his age in 1928, I had no reason to doubt him.

One question for the really arl arses on here; my dad always maintained (with a hint of admiration) that Jackie Coulter was the dirtiest player he'd seen play for Everton. Does anyone remember this gentleman?

Dick Fearon
12 Posted 21/06/2016 at 02:04:14
Such marvellous reminiscence makes it difficult to not dig into my own bottomless collection of memories.
God bless all oldies who are clinging to the branch and hoping the light at the end of this very long tunnel heralds a wonderful new dawn.

Andy Amey
13 Posted 21/06/2016 at 07:19:00
Great article ...brought a tear to my eye

Hoping that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a train coming straight at us! (Proper Everton that would be )

Steve Alderson
14 Posted 21/06/2016 at 09:08:08
Gary - 10. You're absolutely right about the misconception surrounding Gordon Lees time at Goodison. His team was well balanced and strong in attack. We finished the 78 season with the same GD as the red shite.
Matt Williams
15 Posted 21/06/2016 at 10:22:09
Gary at 10. I agree, the Lee era was about the time I started going the match on my own and I loved it. We were defo always in the mix playing some good football and could easily have won something with a bit more luck.
Nathan Rooney
16 Posted 21/06/2016 at 13:36:04
Superb piece Roy, and some great comments from the rest of the thread – we truly owe so much to our Blue families.

My story of being a blue starts with my Pop (grandad), who is now 89 years young. Sadly, his memory and health are failing, and he isn’t the man mountain I remember from my youth, but we have renewed for the top balcony again this season, and he is determined to “get up them bloody stairs a few more times!” (his words, not mine!).

He’s hoping our new found wealth means the club can finally put in some escalators on the bottom two flights, before we move and dominate the city skyline with the ground on the river!

As I never knew my Dad, I was lucky enough to be raised by my mum, nan and grandad, so I had a mum, a Momma and one Pop! I owe them everything, and can never thank them enough, especially for making me a Bluenose.

He took me to Goodison when I was a babe in arms apparently (I was born in 1977), but I have no memory whatsoever of what game it was or the score, and Pop cannot remember, so it mustn’t have been much of a game!

He took me to a few games when we were simply the best team about, and got me my first season ticket for the title winning year of 86-87; I guess I didn’t understand how good I had it at the time. Pop always told me to enjoy it while it lasts, as if he knew the tougher times ahead.

The tragic events at Hillsborough stopped him going to the match for a number of years, and his love of football was a little diminished after that dark day, but not his love of Everton. I managed to get him back to Goodison in the late nineties, and we haven’t stopped since.

As mentioned, the years are robbing him of his faculties, as sometimes he cannot remember what he was doing yesterday, but if you get him onto the subject of Everton, a fire lights up in his eyes, the opinions start to flow and we get our old Pop back for a while.

He loves (amongst others) Kendall as a player and manager (MK1), Roy Vernon is also a favourite, Big Nev was a joint hero of ours, but he always says the best player he ever saw was T.G. Jones, and that he knocks John Stones into a cocked hat at centre half. He has no time for the “modern” footballer, and I often feared what would happen if Pop ever got his hands on Fellaini!

He saw through Senor Brown shoes and never wanted him from day one, but I am happy to say that he is very happy with Big Ron, and that will do for me!

I am so proud that we sometimes go the game together with my 5 year old son. This season there will hopefully be four of us for a few matches, as my 2 year old daughter won’t stop pestering us to come!

Thanks again for the OP Roy – it has made me realise how lucky I am.

Onward Blue Comrades!

David Harrison
17 Posted 21/06/2016 at 14:23:56
Yes, Steve & Gary. Lee had an image problem but we were certainly contenders under him. Bob Latchford has lots of good things to say about him in his autobiography
Alasdair Mackay
18 Posted 21/06/2016 at 14:40:28
Roy Vernon was my Dad's hero, too Nathan.

My first one was probably Trevor Steven.

Nathan Rooney
19 Posted 21/06/2016 at 15:00:53
I would have loved to have seen firsthand some of the greats like Vernon etc, after the way my Pop speaks about them.

We have been spolied over the years though, Alasdair - Tricky Trev was also one of mine, but the team from the eighties was immense, and I had spells of having different members of the team as my favourite player!

My last proper hero was Joe Parkinson.

Roy Johnstone
20 Posted 21/06/2016 at 15:20:11
Thanks to everyone for the positive feedback. This was the first I've written. I might look at the Gordon Lee issue when I do another one. 77-78 was fabulous for me and with hindsight we could have won the title that year. Then how different would the road have been?
Terry White
21 Posted 21/06/2016 at 15:38:52
I must agree with Gary (#10), Steve (#14) and David (#17), Lee's team was greatly underappreciated. YouTube has a video of a 5-1 win at Leicester when our front 5 was King, Dobson, Latchford, McKenzie and Thomas. How would you fancy that today?

Scoring goals was not our problem then, but we conceded too many also - sound familiar? Unfortunately the rest of the team in general was not up to that standard. I would exempt from that statement George Wood in goal, and perhaps the best central cover defender of his generation, Colin Todd, whom Lee decided to play as a right back to accommodate Billy Wright. Made no sense to me then nor now.

Mike Doyle
22 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:08:58
First game my dad took me to ... Coventry at home (circa 1970) ... 0-0 draw. Next one was better - Borussia Mönchengladbach 2nd leg.

He liked Ball & Young but maintained Duncan Edwards was the best player he ever saw play live. Also reckoned history would have regarded Tony Kay as our best post-war player had his career not been curtailed by other... er... events.

Stephen Ashton
23 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:11:45
Thanks Roy, I love posts like this as they invariably prompt so many memories.

My Dad passed 4 years ago now and I was so touched at the time that all the men at the funeral at St Mary's in Woolton, including the reds among his friends bought and wore EFC ties, a tribute to a true blue.

When we went through his personal stuff, we found in his wallet ticket stubs from the EFC Inter Milan European Cup tie in 1963 and I vaguely remembered him and my Mum arguing about the cost ('we could have had a weeks holiday in Anglesey for that').

He took me to my first game against Wednesday in 1959 to my first away game against Burnley a few days before Christmas in 1960 to my first European away game against Kilmarnock in the old Fairs Cup.

A paddock season ticket turned up every year on my birthday (29/7). He sat in the Upper Gwladys with his brother and their Dad.

It took me a long time to forgive him for not taking me to the 1966 FA Cup Final but he gave my ticket to a friend, telling me his friend might not get another chance you have your whole life. He was of course right as he was about most things Everton and he would have approved greatly of our new owners way of doing business but would have reserved judgement on the owner himself and the manager. I'm afraid he had an in built mistrust of foreigners, not a dislike - they just had to work a bit harder to earn his trust.

I miss him a lot.

Incidentally, he approved of Gordon Lee 'a straight talking man who knows his own limitations' was his assessment. His all time hero - Dave Hickson.

Stan Schofield
25 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:52:46
Nice article Roy. I'm sure your dad would be proud of it. My dad took me to see Everton in 1961-62, and having seen 4 titles, 3 FA cups and a Cup Winners Cup, with constant presence in the top flight, I've found the recent talk about whether Everton is a big or small club meaningless. The new era under Koeman, Moshiri, et al is an exciting prospect. Looking forward to the new season. And yes, your dad was right, Alan Ball was a genius.
Mike McLoughlin
26 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:44:00
Lovely article Roy your dad sounds like a top bloke. I would agree with a lot of his opinions in particular about Moyes. I am sure he would be excited about what's happening with the club at the moment. Onward and upward with Moshiri and Koeman at the helm. A good read is an article about Koemans tactics is a good read https://defendingwiththeball.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/ronald-koemans-saints/
Dave Abrahams
27 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:50:18
Good article Roy which has brought fans giving their stories and bringing players and their memories back to life. I loved watching Vernon, Collins, Kay, Kendall, Southall, Hickson and the immaculate T G Jones.

I was glad Duncan Edwards got a mention, he along with the brilliant Tom Finney were the best British players I ever saw, what a player Edwards was, tragically killed at Munich at such a young age. Thanks for your story Roy, look forward to your next one.

Pat Whitmore
28 Posted 21/06/2016 at 21:26:19
I lost my old man 7 years ago he was born in London and supported the Villa all his life. I was born in London moved to Birmingham at 4 and supported Everton all my life. He took me all over the country to watch the blues when I was a kid. I remember sitting on a ladies wall eating chips outside Goodison before a cup replay . She came out and we thought she was going to tell us to do one but she offered us bread and butter !! I also remember talking about Koeman on the drive back and he said what a player , classy and nasty when required. He would definitely approve of our choice. Not once did he moan that I supported Everton over a family of Villa fans.
Victor Jones
29 Posted 22/06/2016 at 02:40:19
Jackie Coulter was a Northern Irish man. My old grandad talked of him often. Coulter was hard but he was also a skilful player. Most players were hard back then....they had to be. Shoulder charges were part and parcel of the game. You had to be hard. There was little protection from referees. Even the great Dixie Dean could handle himself.

I loved that late 1970s team. They should have won something. Dobson..Latchford...King...Lyons...Thomas. Magic. But we also had some very poor defenders. Darracott...Jones...McNaught...Higgins.... And also some poor goalkeepers... And in the early 70s...we had some terrible forwards......Harper...Belfitt....Pearson. Thank god we signed Bob Latchford..

Great article, takes me down memory lane. My first match was around 1968. Against Burnley. We drew. And I actually liked Burnley. I think that a very young Martin Dobson was playing that day for Burnley. He went on to be one of my all time favourite Everton players.....even to this day. He is in my all time best eleven..

PS..my over riding memory of Everton in the 1970s is the Bryan Hamilton disallowed goal. I still curse Clive Thomas and think of what could have been. But I was blessed to have been the right age to really enjoy the success of the mid eighties. I hope that our younger supporters witness the same success. COYBs.

Hilary moore
30 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:05:21
We lost my dad in January. My love for Everton is all thanks to him and although he'd become a touch cynical in recent years he was a blue from a blue family. He talked of seeing Dixie play, but always thought Lawton was the better striker, said one of the best was TG Jones, loved Joe Mercer and told of meeting Davie Hickson outside Upton Park in the 50's and when Davie found out dad and his mate didn't have tickets went into the dressing room and reappeared with a couple - a story my dad re-told to Davy when we did the tour years later.

He took me to my first match in the 70's and after one super win- Coventry 6-0? - he bought me my scarf. By the time the 80s came I was working down south so it was a few matches a season. But what wonderful times. Howard Kendall's death bought back memories and how we laughed about the title winning game against QPR in 1985 - in those days he would go to get the tickets and I phoned him to say I was coming home for the game and to go and get tickets as it would be a sell out as we hadn't won the title for 15 years(if only). His answer was 'No need - we'll leave 20 mins early than normal and we'll stroll in'. We went round the ground as all the turnstiles started to close and, with my dad starting to panic, eventually got in at the main stand as hundreds tried to do the same, some of the last ones in - we laughed about it afterwards but I doubt we'd have travelled home together if we hadn't got in. Needless to say he always went to get tickets after that!

He loved the fact that all 3 of mine are blues and we went as a family in recent years to watch them. His two sons are reds but when talking to my younger brother before the FA semi, he said he wanted Everton to win because of dad.
So back to the lovely original post. Funnily enough it was the same question my mum asked me 'Would your dad have been pleased?' and I said yes I really think he would have. Neither of us wanted Martinez from the start, he felt we were too big a club to be appointing someone who had just got a team relegated. So he would have been pleased with Koeman and pleased with Moshiri and doubly pleased that his eldest grandson was involved in that deal. He would love the fact that the future looks brighter for our team and hopefully his grandchildren can eventually feel some of the joy that winning things brings. So for the first home game next season, my children and I will get the soccer bus, have a drink in the Abbey, take our seats in the Lower Bullens as we always did with him and will think of a wonderful dad and taid when Z cars starts. I am so pleased I followed my dads team all those years ago; great memories of some great times.

Peter Mills
31 Posted 23/06/2016 at 08:29:11
Jeff#6, I can understand your dad's dislike of Mick Bernard, he didn't do much for the team (nor the team photo). However he did put in one of the most heroic performances I've seen from an Everton player, in the first replay of the League Cup Final at Hillsborough in 1977. We had used our sub, Mick got clattered and could barely walk, but he stayed on the pitch and did a bit of clattering back.

As Chris says #1, respect to all Everton dads (especially yours Terry #21).

Terry White
32 Posted 23/06/2016 at 16:52:12
Thank you, Peter (#31). My first game was in January 1953. Research tells me we beat Notts. Forest 4-1 in the 2nd Division. No wonder I was smitten from then on.

Prior to our move to Crosby in the summer of '53, we lived in Crosgrove Road in Walton, just the other side of the cemetery from the ground. I used to sit outside the cemetery gates waiting for my Dad to walk home and give me the score. Results were not good in those days.

My Mum always would recount how my Dad's Mum, my grandmother, who was an avid Blue, would encourage my Mum to go shopping on County Road on a Saturday afternoon so they could go up to the ground and go in when the gates were opened up 15 minutes before the end. I was left outside in my pram! Couldn't happen now!

My Dad used to take in a box for me to stand on against the Goodison Road wall. And there stood I in the 70,000+ crowds we sometimes got in those days. The Charlton cup replay in the late '50s stands out as a particularly dangerous night.

Chris Williams
33 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:15:00
Terry, like you my first game was in the old second division. Blackburn Rovers at home and a 1-1 draw. Hickson scored, and like you I had to check the details( on Evertonresults.com). I can remember being lifted over the turnstiles and sitting on his Mac on a crush barrier. Everyone smoking, including my dad. Smoking saw him off in due course, far too young, but I remember fondly the many matches I attended with him. Particularly Alex Youngs belated home debut against Spurs on a horrible foggy winter day(we got beat) and a cup replay against horrible Leeds with Jimmy Gabriel playing centre forward which we won. He shelled out for tickets in the main stand!

Lovely memories evoked by this thread
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Paul Tran
34 Posted 23/06/2016 at 20:09:10
As a teenager, I loved the Lee years, until his last 'transitional' (shite) season. Two years of great attacking football that would have yielded trophies with a bit of luck and a decent keeper. Remember when he won manager of the month and turned the big bottle of whisky into minutes for the fans? Thoroughly unlucky manager who stayed two years too long.
Dave Abrahams
35 Posted 23/06/2016 at 22:01:31
Terry (32) are you sure that game against Nottm Forest wasn't a cup game? We beat them that year, when we got to the semi final. That game was also 4-1 to the blues.
Tom Bowers
36 Posted 23/06/2016 at 22:09:46
Terry, I was at that Charlton replay. Remember the game at the valley when the Charlton keeper got sent off for punching Davie instead of the ball?
The replay was amazing. I was in the paddock and remember so well the fog which made it so difficult to see the game late on but the Blues ran out winners 4-1.
Patrick Murphy
37 Posted 23/06/2016 at 22:09:55
Forest Div2

Forest FAC

Everton played Forest twice in January 1953 they drew 3-3 in a league match at Forest and won 4-1 in the FA Cup at Goodison. The first league meeting at Goodison ended in a 3-0 victory for the Toffees. Hope that helps!

Terry White
38 Posted 24/06/2016 at 02:36:50
Definitely the cup game.
Terry White
39 Posted 24/06/2016 at 02:42:12
Tom (#36), my Dad went to the first game at the Valley. Must have taken him and his mates countless hours to get down to south London in the days before motorways. The keeper was presumably Sam Bartram, had played for Charlton for years since when they won the Cup soon after the war.
Dave Abrahams
40 Posted 24/06/2016 at 09:08:19
Terry (#39), yes, I went to that game at The Valley.

It wasn't too bad going down, but still took over eight or nine hours, no motorways as you say. Coming back it took a lot longer, there was a thick fog and the driver got lost, an old fella on the coach had a torch and got in front of the coach and led us back on to a main road. He continued to get us back on to the correct course. After about 30 or 40 minutes we found ourselves back where he started from. Poor old fella got loads off the rest of the coach.

We eventually got home hours after we should have done. Terry, sorry to be a know-all but the goalie was Willie Duff; it is understandable to think it would be Sam Bartram as he was Charlton's keeper for years and years.

Terry White
41 Posted 24/06/2016 at 14:53:07
Willie Duff it was, Dave.
Keith Glazzard
42 Posted 25/06/2016 at 15:51:41
Dad, the brother and I went to Wembley, 1984. You don't need me to remind you what a great day it was, and dad loved it. But it could have killed him. He was about 70, and the crush of the crowd was too much for him. I think it was the first time that I ever saw him as "old".
The last time he'd been there he was playing. 1946, Charlton vs Derby. He was in the Royal Navy Band, first trombone.
Keith Glazzard
43 Posted 25/06/2016 at 16:15:20
ps - I should have said that dad used to sit next to Joe Mercer at school. Both Ellesmere Port lads, and there was another called Stan Cullis a couple of years ahead of them. The Port was an outpost of the Black Country in those days (a relocated steel works) and it was normal to support the Wolves as I grew up. Dad had a mate, he always had a mate, who's dad was a butcher, and was a shareholder. So he watched Tommy Lawton and a few more from the Directors' Box. No wonder he was a very good judge of a player.
But a little extra. The Port connection with the Midlands went on. My Primary School team won the cup and the league, a hatrick by yours truly in the final helped. Our captain was Graham Turner. From Chester he went on to Aston Villa, and eventally managed them. He took Steve Bull to Wolves. He is a Shrewsbury hero, and now, I think, owns Hereford. All from Cambridge Road elementary/primary school, which is now a block of flats.
Dave Abrahams
44 Posted 26/06/2016 at 09:11:03
Keith (42-3) you had me working my memory there, I didn't remember the name from that cup final, was he a good musician!!!

Great story and great history from Ellesmere Port, by the way your family, are they related to a great centre forward Jimmy Glazzard who played for Everton at the end of his career, he came from Huddersfield Town in the late fifties. He once scored the winning goal against PNE in a cup game then went in goal and saved a penalty taken by the great Tom Finney.

Terry White
45 Posted 27/06/2016 at 19:10:00
Dave #44), Jimmy Glazzard wasn't so great by the time he reached us! 3 appearances, 0 goals.
Rick Tarleton
46 Posted 27/06/2016 at 19:45:24

My first game remains the only game in which I've seen twelve goals scored, Everton at home to Plymouth in 53-4 and my first Everton hero appeared: Dave Hickson. The greatest Everton player, I don't know, Collins for his impact, Vernon for his goal-scoring and sheer incisive commitment, Young for magic, Harvey for his all round mid-field play, Labone, Wilson. The list is endless.
My real Goodison is 62-3, I was seventeen. "Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, But to be young was very heaven". You could say to watch Young was very heaven.
Andrew Ellams
47 Posted 27/06/2016 at 19:58:43
Roy if you can get held of a book called Looking For Toffees:in Search Of The Heroes Of Everton by Brian Viner its a great read centred around the team of 77-78, my first season attending Goodison too.
Dave Abrahams
48 Posted 28/06/2016 at 00:31:35
Terry (45) you are absolutely correct, Jimmy was well past it when we signed him for about £5,000 but in his day he was a very good player. He once scored FOUR against the blues when Huddersfield beat us 8-2, I think> Maybe that is why we signed him, although as you say it was years too late.
Terry White
49 Posted 28/06/2016 at 03:43:15
Dave, I agree with you and remember Glazzard scoring the goals against us. He was signed, I believe, as we looked to replace Davey who was on his travels at the time. Remember Alan Shackleton? To be fair he did score 10 in 26 appearances. What about Peter Harburn? 4 games 1 goal. a sign of quality lacking in our signings and that is before we get to the left wing position - Graham Williams (Tom Thumb), Peter Kavanagh, Bobby Laverick, Eddie O'Hara, another midget, before we get to the marvellous Tommy Ring.
Rick Tarleton
50 Posted 28/06/2016 at 10:15:45
Don't forget Jimmy Fell, Tom, in your catalogue of inept left-wingers.

I agree about Harburn and Shackleton, they too were atrocious, so were some of the home-grown lads of that era, Sanders, Kirby, King etc. Till Bobby Collins and Alex Parker arrived, we had a very poor team.

Dave Abrahams
51 Posted 28/06/2016 at 10:45:12
Terry (#49) oh yes Peter (sailor) Harburn, signed him from Brighton and Hove Albion, went to Leicester first game of that season to see him make his debut, we got beat 2-0. Least said about Harburn that day the better.

He didn't stay long at Everton (thank God), he got injured in his own garden, his wife thought she heard someone in the garden and Peter rushed out to confront whoever was there and ran into the clothes line and nearly blinded himself. True story courtesy of the Liverpool Echo at the time.

Chris Williams
52 Posted 28/06/2016 at 18:01:08
Rick and Terry, remember Ray Veall, another in the endless list of mediocre left wingers around that time? Arrived from Scunthorpe for pennies.

From memory, 'Shack' was bloody awful . Do you remember Eddie Thomas, who I remember getting dogs abuse every game? I think he may have gone to Blackburn in part exchange for the great Vernon.

And all the Irish players we had early 50s. I met Jimmy O'Neil's son and he was telling me some stories about his dad. He used to queue up to get the bus after a game, and the fans would ignore him if they'd got beaten. Apparently the club arranged to get a stairlift installed in his house when he was in poor health later in life.

Rick Tarleton
53 Posted 28/06/2016 at 19:32:47
Ray Veall played the first dozen games of 62-63 and looked okay if a little lightweight.

Brian Labone played bowls at The Hermitage when he was in the Everton team and had played for England. Chris Lawler used to sit upstairs on the No 27 bus going to Anfield when I was working in a pub on Netherfield Road.

Footballers then were part of the community. Cyril Lello used to walk round the ground from his club house and smile and chat with everyone. Autre temps ...

Terry White
54 Posted 28/06/2016 at 20:29:08
In my initial posting on this subject (perhaps I should have started a fresh one but the comments certainly fall into the theme of Roy's original story) I was looking at left wingers before we signed Tommy Ring. I do remember Jimmy Fell, signed from Newcastle, I believe, and he played quite a few games and scored occasionally. I agree Ray Veall was lightweight, had a good left foot, and lost his place to the Temple/Morrissey combination.

Didn't Eddie Thomas play in the 1960 cup final for Blackburn after Vernon came to us?

In the 1950s we seemed to specialise, in addition to small left wingers, in small wing halfs! Kenny Rea, Johnny King spring to mind. I seem to recall big Derek Kevan running over one of these at Goodison.

As Rick (#50) says, until Collins and then the wonderful Alex Parker arrived, we were a very poor team. But 1960-63 was a great time to be supporting the Blues. Attacking football (of course we could not win away) and a new signing nearly every week it seemed; Vernon, Ring, Gabriel, Young, Thomson, Bingham, West, Stevens, all culminating in the magnificent championship winning side.....great days.

Chris Williams
55 Posted 29/06/2016 at 08:30:37
....and Alex Scott, Morrisey, the sadly lost Tony Kay, as well as the likes of Bingham and Lill who also carried the torch for a bit.

Collins and Parker gave us a taste and then we feasted at the top table. A combination of bought in top class footballers and a group of up and coming home grown top class footballers, a hard nosed businessman and a tough and savvy manager.

Aah well, we can dream and hope.

Terry White
56 Posted 29/06/2016 at 15:46:14
I used to like Mickey Lill, a flashy goal scoring winger just like I, in my early teens then, wanted to be! Where did it all go wrong?
Alan McGuffog
57 Posted 29/06/2016 at 16:17:03
Keith Glazzard.....yeah Wembley 1984, stood us in good stead to withstand Tynan Tours to Calella a few weeks later. Best wishes.
Chris Williams
58 Posted 29/06/2016 at 16:42:43
Yes, Micky Lill was what used to be called direct. He was on one wing with Tommy Ring on the other. I seem to remember them doing cross field passes to each other.

When Tommy got crippled at Chelsea, Lill moved to the left for a spell until he also got crocked. Then came Bingham from memory, and then Morrisey, the hardest man I've seen play for Everton, but a whole lot more than that. He shared duties with Shirley for a while.

Terry White
59 Posted 29/06/2016 at 16:53:07
Chris, (#58) my recollection is that while Lill certainly played games in the #11 shirt, Jimmy Fell came in to the left wing position and Bingham on the right after Ring and Lill were injured. Bingham was a regular until Scott was signed in 1963. The outside left position was always subject to "flavour of the day" with Fell, Veall, Temple and Morrissey all occupying the spot until Derek came back for the last games of the 62-63 season and then kept his place until after the cup win in 66.
Chris Williams
60 Posted 29/06/2016 at 17:14:13
You're probably right Terry. My memory is more for the general than for the detail these days, apart from the highlights
Dave Abrahams
61 Posted 29/06/2016 at 19:37:02
Here's one about Jimmy Fell:

When playing for Grimsby Town against Liverpool at Anfield, the Grimsby goalkeeper got injured. There were no substitutes then so Jimmy went in goal and played well in a 3-3 draw...

I don't know what the score was when he went in goal.


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