A Return to Fear and Trepidation

An unchanged Everton line-up were overawed by a confident Manchester City, Lukaku scoring a good goal that was given marginally (wrongly?) offside. He also clipped the bar with a late free-kick. Kolarov finally beat Howard at the near post, with Nasri chipping Howard easily to secure the points.

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Kevin Mirallas is back to 100% fitness but sat unused on the bench
Everton 0 - 2 Manchester City

An unchanged Everton line-up were overawed by a confident Manchester City, Lukaku scoring a good goal that was given marginally (wrongly?) offside. He also clipped the bar with a late free-kick. Kolarov finally beat Howard at the near post, with Nasri chipping Howard easily to secure the points.

For the visit of Manchester City, Roberto Martinez stuck with last week's winning side, with Mirallas and Deulofeu on the bench, and Ramiro Funes Mori among the crowd, sporting an Everton scarf.

Everton started well and held possession until a poor pass from Lukaku that exposed Barry and Man City surged forward, Aguero firing in low, forcing an excellent one-footed save by Howard. There was more controlled football from Everton but it wasn't getting them far beyond the half-way line. When they did get forward, the control was poor on the crucial forward pass.

Man City attacked with pace Navas crossing for Aguero who had a lot of time to finish but Howard saved well. Everton decided to vary it, with a ball over the top for Lukaku to chase and the move ended with a poor over-hit cross from Cleverley, who then won a corner with a blocked cross.

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The game initially was fairly even, with good possession and passing play from both siides, but City starting to put things together, Silva firing in on Howard, then Silva almost laying it on a plate for Sterling who just could not reach it. Galloway was getting a tough test from Navas down the Everton left but he did well to block the ball out for a corner.

Everton were now on the back foot, struggling to get the ball cleared as attack after attack from the light blue shirts. The Royal Blues slowed it down a bit, and did get forward, Barkley firing straight at Hart. Everton tried to build again through the middle but three successive dreadful touches from Lukaku lost the ball each time.

Everton tried to work the ball slowly down the right, and it was pace that was lacking until Coleman swung the ball over to Kone who set up Barkley but he played it to Lukaku who had strayed just offside as he slot the ball in past Hart. City attacked again after the restart and Howard had to save again, from Toure.

Coleman was allowed to stutter-step forward down the right to the edge of the City box and, with nothing else on, he poked the ball goalwards, just wide of the post. At the other end, Sterling dodged inside of Coleman and forced another save from Howard, and the defence looked shakey on the corner. A free-kick from the half-way line was wasted by Jagielka, lofted high and wide toward Stones.

Cleverley got another corner off a City defender and Cleverley swung out the set piece to Jageilka whose driving header was powered just over the bar from the edge of the area. But another City attack down Galloway's side again came close to breaking the deadlock, Toure firing across goal.

Stones was a little too strong on Aguero and City were given a very dangerous free-kick that Silva fired in but it was headed clear. But City kept pressing, Jagielka blocking superbly, Sagna begging for a penalty, as Galloway stayed down after tackling him, and needed treatment.

A better drive down the middle, Lukaku playing in Barkley, ended with a free-kick and a yellow card for Mangala. Barkley launched the set-piece in orbit around Pluto. Horrible waste. Galloway Was suffering and sat unhappily on the turf, before limping off, with Browning coming on to replace him during the 4 minutes of added time.

Cleverley went on another good run down the middle and was hacked down by Fernandinho, who saw yellow, this time Lukaku getting the honour to fire over the massive wall, just clipping the top of the crossbar.

The match was tied at half-time, but the feeling was that up until the action in added time, Everton had played far too much within themselves, and a little in awe of their well-endowed visitors.

City came at Everton with some determination after the break, Silva slashing a lethal shot against the post as he got behind the Blues defence. Everton looked even more starstruck and struggled to get on the ball. panicking when they did, as City surged at them again, Browning doing well to tackle Navas inside the penalty box but then switching off for the resulting short corner.

Coleman's fighting spirit wins the ball and advances down the right but the cross is heads away. But the play keeps going until Cleverley's inviting cross that Lukaku failed to run in for, and a brief respite to the City dominance ended with nothing. In the next attack, Cleverley almost plays in Kone, but not enough guile.

Another good move down the middle with Barry and Coleman almost broke the City defence but Lukaku's header was too close to Kompany with Barkley ready to receive and score behind him.

City attacked again and it seemed too simple, as Kolarov scored past Howard from an impossible angle, made possible only by Howard opening up the space criminally at the near post.

Stones and Browning fouled each other, give Navas acres of apace and 10 mins to beat Howard, which he failed to do, a tremendous save by Howard as Naismith replaced Kone. He worked well with Barkley who got a corner that Cleverley curled in well. Naismith drove off another defender for a second, then a third corner, these taken from the left by Barkley, as Toure towered over the rooted Jagielka to win the ball and head clear.

The crowd got more into it as the contest between Sterling and Coleman warmed things up, but the effect seemed to benefit City rather than the home side, who were forced back after a better spell. When Everton did go forward, Coleman strayed needlessly offside.

With Mirallas still on the bench, and time ticking away, it seemed to be an opportunity missed by Martinez, who needed to take a real risk here in order to get his side back in the match. Coleman was doing well, and won another corner from Cleverley that caused havoc before another chance McCarthy headed past Hart to the back post where Kompany cleared off the line.

The ball really just wasn't dropping for Everton as another move through the middle with Naismith and McCarthy broke down. Lukaku was having a terrible game nothing at all working for him. Another Everton corner, Jagielka could not get to Cleverley's quality delivery. Lukaku and Naismith then had a chance to create something from an ill-advised back-heel by Mangala but again it would not run for the Royal Blues who were once more crowded out.

With only 5 minutes left, Martinez finally made the change, Deulofeu on for Cleverley, far too late to make any difference, surely? But it was City who score after Navas stung Howard's gloves, Nasri chipped the ball simply over Howard for the final goal. Pathetic defending from Everton, who had failed to really challenge effectively.

A final corner came to nothing and summed things up. A very disappointing outcome after a respectable but uninspiring display considering what might have been if Everton had gone for the jugular a little more, sin meido, rather than showing the fear and trepidation that set in last season.

Everton: Howard; Coleman, Jagielka (c), Stones, Galloway (45+2' Browning); Barry, McCarthy; Cleverley (86' Deulofeu), Barkley; Kone (64' Naismith), Lukaku.
Subs not Used: Robles, Mirallas, Besic, Osman.

Manchester City: Hart, Sagna, Kompany (C), Mangala [Y:43'], Kolarov, Toure, Fernandinho [Y:45+4'], Navas, Sterling (76' Nasri [Y:86']), Silva (90' Delph), Aguero (81' Bony).
Subs not Used: Caballero, Demichelis, Denayer, Iheanacho.

Referee: Anthony Taylor

Attendance: 38,523

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Jermaine Jennings
1 Posted 23/08/2015 at 15:12:48
COYB but what has happended to Oviedo??
Paul Smith
2 Posted 23/08/2015 at 15:16:07
Not been the same since his horrific injury? Only a guess mind.
Minik Hansen
3 Posted 23/08/2015 at 15:27:08
Good to have the same team again, it's only good and we got some impact players on the bench. COYB!
Phil Malone Jnr
4 Posted 23/08/2015 at 15:36:34
Galloways in for a game today. Very interested to see how he responds to the test.
Neil Thomas
5 Posted 23/08/2015 at 15:40:43
Would have liked to see Del Boy start rather than Kone.
John Brooker
7 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:52:25
Anyone know what the deal is Bryan Oviedo? He looked a great player in the making before his injury but now seems to be constantly overlooked by Martinez... especially noticeable since the injury to Baines.
Peter Gorman
8 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:59:26
Well-endowed visitors? I take it you are referring to their wealth or were you staring too hard at their massive wall.
Anto Byrne
10 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:03:40
Galloway is a central defender? Kone not the answer? Naismith why bother? Other than that not a seriously bad performance.

I don’t think Martinez got his tactics and team set up for this game. I would still like to see a decent keeper come in. We can beat Spurs.

Mark Riding
11 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:04:14
Not having the title of this article. "A return to fear and trepidation" Really?
Colin Leary
12 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:05:46
Pathetic.. Gutless!
Craig Mills
13 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:07:11
Tough game today against a rampant City.

I’m not too down beat after that performance today, City are so effective going forward, we simply struggled to match them all over the pitch. Two poor goals conceded by Howard; that said, he made some excellent saves throughout the game to keep the score respectable.

Onto Spurs for what looks another tough game; we will need a repeat of the Southampton performance to have any chance of the points.

Thomas Surgenor
14 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:09:03
Two, well worked but soft goals conceded. I thought we played much better than our last outing at Goodison.

There is so much potential in our squad now, let's hope it comes to fruition.

Paul Jeronovich
15 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:09:55
I think if this had of been played at the Etihad, we would have been much better (we weren't even that bad to be fair). The vibe at Goodison is not good at present and I might be wrong, but this can play in to the opponents hands.
Jim Harrison
16 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:11:20
Simply played a far better team. Sorry, no fear on show. Only real complaint was bringing browning on instead of Oviedo. He looked, as Galloway did before him, out of depth.

Coleman looked back to his best, Cleverley showed promise, Barkley faded but there were signs of what he can do.

Play like that each week and this will be a decent season. City are looking like they could romp it this year, so much quality in their squad.

Paul Andrews
17 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:13:16
A return to fear and trepidation?

Miles away with that summation I am afraid, Michael.

Craig Taylor
18 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:13:24
Biggest problem today was RMs refusal to change the game until it was lost. We were completely out played in the 2nd half and the only descent change came in the 86th minute. The Kone/Naismith sub was completely pointless.
Jim Harrison
19 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:15:32
Sorry, there was another issue, I agree with Craig about Kone Naismith.
Michael Kenrick
20 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:18:47
What annoyed me is that game was winnable, as we showed in the first half.

Craig Taylor (#13): 100% spot-on. I don't usually rail against Roberto but he inspired today's failure, I'm afraid, talking this lot up before the game and yes, showing fear and trepidation throughout, with the inevitable result.

As Lee Dixon rightly said at the end that we could and should have done a lot more than we did. That's what annoys me.

Patrick Murphy
21 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:19:47
If Everton are conceding large areas of the pitch and posing only the odd threat on the opponents goal, it’s not surprising that the crowd is unhappy. The only good thing is that the younger element of the squad will learn a great deal about the game and themselves, but the older players like Barry are no longer good enough to compete with the City’s of this world.

I thought Martinez missed an opportunity when Galloway was injured he should have put Barry at left-back and bought on a more forward thinking player in midfield – but I also understand why he didn’t go for that option. Cleverly and Coleman played very well and McCarthy and Ross were very hit and miss.

It wasn’t for a lack of effort but we still remain terribly slow going forward and we have to do a lot better than today in the rest of our home fixtures – although I can’t see anyone stopping City from winning the title. League Cup here we come, how we need a win at Barnsley.

Mike Allison
22 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:20:18
Yes Paul, I think it's a poor headline for what is actually a very good review of the game. We did quite well, were unlucky at times, but much like last season, the substitutions were awful.
Jamie Tulacz
23 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:20:31
Jim (10) Oviedo wasn't on the bench, don't know whether he was injured or not again?
Christy Ring
24 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:24:29
Disappointing, but we were 2nd best, and toothless up front. Bob is slow to make changes, and I would have preferred Mirallas to Naismith.

I don’t know what’s the story with Oviedo, he’s the only natural left back we have at the moment.

Dave Pritchard
25 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:24:51
Thought we were OK and we have to factor in the quality of City. Never felt we really had a go at them but probably down to the fact that they kept the ball so well. My only real gripe was the substitutions. We needed width and Naismith for Kone was like-for-like.
William Cartwright
26 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:27:13
Beaten by a better side, no shame in that. Good performances such as Coleman, my Man of the Match for the Blues and again Kone impressed me with his hold up play and general control. Look forward to what a midfield general can bring.
Paul Washington
27 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:29:34
Simply outplayed by a very good team. But my biggest worry was how cheaply we gave the ball away time after time.
Dave Pritchard
28 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:30:26
William, I agree with Coleman who was our only stand-out performer but not particularly impressed with Kone today. He isn't a left-sided midfielder though and needs to be further forward to be more effective.
James Stewart
29 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:30:36
Commendable effort from some players. Coleman, Cleverley and Barkley all excellent.

Title of this piece says it all. Fear and I would say cowardice which is somewhat understandable against City’s riches but it's a far cry from the ’eye to eye’ mentality employed against the top teams 2 years ago.

Mirallas, our 2nd top scorer of last season, left on the bench, left an especially bad taste in the mouth. It wasn’t the game for Naismith and Gerard looked completely unfit due to not having a full pre-season making the Mirallas omission even more mystifying.

I still stand by the observation that we are one pragmatic manager away from being a top side.

Tony J Williams
30 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:31:43
Where was the fear and trepidation?

Tried our hardest and failed.

Phil Hendren
32 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:35:00
Galloway and Browning looked like rabbits in headlights. Bottom line is City were better than is but I thought we were still strong when we actually went forward. RM should've brought Delboy on a bit earlier tho.
Chris Wilson
33 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:36:01
Not to start any kind of firestorm, but I wonder if it’s time to move Naismith on to another team?

I like the guy, but I don’t see how he fits into the system. He’s a nice poacher, can finish well, has some snarl and will run himself into the ground. But he needs to play in a 4-4-2, and we’re never going to play that. I don’t see where he fits into the current scheme. He’s not pacy enough to play wide to help on defense AND offense. He is obviously not big enough to be a hold up player, and I don’t think he’s good enough to beat players one-on-one.

Sadly, I know that Roberto has a serious bromance for Steven, so it probably won’t happen, unless Nais pushes for it. I don’t know, maybe it was just one of those days.

Craig Fletcher
34 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:36:15
Yep, we were beaten by a much better side. Don't think we were bad at all, Lukaku's goal was marginal, very marginal, for offside, and if that was given the complexion of the game could have changed.

Barkley made quite a few good driving runs but was constantly crowded out. Sterling gave Coleman a tough time.... and I think our inexperience at left back was found out.

City for me are far and away the best side in the PL this season.

Mark Tanton
35 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:38:20
To put it succinctly - in the first half we matched them, in the second half we didn't. They were too good. But we should not be disheartened by what was, on the whole, a spirited performance.
Ray Said
36 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:39:52
City are a very good team BUT we allowed players like Toure and Silva 5 yards of space, especially in the second half, and that is naive. Surely when playing against better players you must press and close them down as much as possible to make it as difficult for them as you can?

I don't think our players looked as fit as their players. They may have better players having spend about £300 million but our manager should ensure that our players are as fit as they can be. Footy is still a running game, especially when we don't have the ball, and sometimes our lads look like they can't run very fast or far.

Substitutions are still taking far to long - Martinez seems indecisive and inflexible about who to bring on and when to make changes.

Joe Foster
37 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:41:55
Not bad by our boys. Naismith not good enough. Browning looked lost. Kone looked poor.
Jay Harris
38 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:42:05
I have mixed views on this game.

We were beaten by a mega millions squad and were never totally out of the game until the last 10 minutes.

On the other hand I feel we tried to pass too much instead of releasing some balls early and mixing it up a bit and also for me our biggest failing under Martinez is we stand off the opposition and let them have space.

For all the Lukaku supporters, including my son, I just don't see it. The man is second to every ball, hardly ever wins an aerial duel and has the touch of an elephant. I would have taken him off before Kone.

Also I don't know why we didnt try 3 at the back when Galloway had to go off and beef up the MF.

Thought Ross and Coleman were pretty good and Howard brought off some great saves but that was a game we could have got something out of.

Very frustrating.

Raymond Fox
39 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:42:15
Not really a surprise, I thought we would do well to get anything out of the game.

Their the best team in the league at the moment and were obviously not I’m sorry to say.

We all know its basically governed by how much money you can throw at a team and were close to the bottom of that league unfortunately.

Denis Richardson
40 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:46:05
Like others have stated, the title is wrong. We played okay just came up against a far better team.

Minor complaints would be bringing Browning on instead of Oviedo and not bringing Mirallas on at all – far better option than Naismith or Deulofeu. Guess he can’t be 100% or we don’t want to risk him yet.

I expected to lose today but we gave it a go. Onto Spurs and more importantly some TRANSFERS!

Jim Hardin
41 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:46:07
Overall about what could be expected of a RM team coming off a good win if last year’s form is an indicator. Everton at least created chances but think I would have flipped Kone and Cleverley. Still not sure what Cleverley adds other than effort but much of his play is predictable. They were literally giving him room to cut into the middle knowing he would slow up, hold and then try to put in a cross instead. Hope he can add more to his game.

Why is Naismith being substituted on at all? Mirallas was needed to go at Mangala who was on a card instead of Naismith who has no real pace or slick moves to get the defender off balance and out of position. A sub shouldn’t be worse than the player being substituted.

Howard, at fault for the first goal although I can understand why he was starting out a little too wide from the post given the tendency to cut the ball across the face of goal. As many times as Man City had players running free behind him in the first and second half (Sterling at least three times in the first half), I can understand the tendency to try to cheat to stop the cross. Still, when it goes wrong, it is on the goalkeeper. Second goal is not on Howard. He has to stay near the line and nearer his left post. Neat little play and good finish but where was the defender who should have been goal side so the chip cannot occur?

Colin Glassar
42 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:48:57
Fear and trepidation? We went toe to toe with the best team in the Premier League for almost 90 mins.

I haven’t read any of the above comments but I suppose someone has already pointed out how misleading this headline is?

Roger Helm
43 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:50:53
It was a good illustration of how un-level is the playing field. Rich clubs like City just hoover up all the top players, regardless of cost. As well as a good defensive unit, they have Silva, Navas, Boney, Aguero, Sterling, Nasri, Costa and God knows who else. How can normal clubs compete with that?

I thought we competed well and might have nicked a point, against a team that recently thrashed Chelsea, but the result was fair in the end. Browning was OK when he came on and Stones was MotM I thought. Barkley unfortunately did his running into dead-ends thing. If we play like that we should beat Spurs.

The substitutions baffled me. What was the point of giving Deulofeu a five-minute cameo? Kone was doing well so why change him for a similar type of player?

Phil Hendren
44 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:53:28
Totally agree the title of this review is wrong. Until the 2nd goal we still looked like we could get an equaliser. City have a ridiculous squad in terms of value. I don't worry to much about Chelsea as it took them two really soft goals.

Onwards and upwards I say and now I support the missus’ team against the RS tomorrow.

Gavin Johnson
45 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:56:17
I'm surprised we've got to 37 posts and there's not been the ubiquitous 'Martinez Out'. I think the absence of which shows it was a close game and we went toe to toe with the best team in the league.

I don't agree with people calling for changes early on. We were in the game until Nasri scored.. Why try to fix something that wasn't broken?!

Brian Denton
46 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:56:47
No, can’t agree with the headline. We were simply outplayed by a team who were always going to win if their players turned up. David Silva was simply brilliant, and he can do it week after week. Under this financial regime ie the Premier League clubs like us, Villa, Spurs and possibly Liverpool will only ever be able to fight for the scraps.

Was the offside goal offside? I must admit it looked it from where I was sitting, but I would welcome the chance to take at least one sense of grievance from the game....

James Stewart
47 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:58:24
’Toe to toe’ Really, Colin? That's pushing it... even for you.
Phil Walling
48 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:59:58
No disgrace losing to them but how useless is Martinez with his substitutions? How can he see Naismith as a game changer and leave Mirallas seething on the bench?

As predicted, Delboy is now a sub-standard Atsu but at least we should see Oviedo in the side against Barnsley.

Ste Lewis
49 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:02:36
Nonsense. There was no fear, we had a good go, but could not match their quality. That is as good a team as we will play all season. But I thought we gave a good account and looked a very good side also.
Dave Abrahams
50 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:03:21
We did well at times but still contrive to continually give the ball away much too easily and set the other team on the attack. Galloway and Browning are not ready by a long way.

We are a few players away from having a decent squad, so it’s up to Kenwright to provide some money for the players to boost the team and supporters. I will still wait to see who comes in before 2nd September. It looks like Lennon will be one of the newcomers and I will not be disappointed with that.

Neil Gribbin
51 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:04:33
I don't think we played too bad. Not brilliant, maybe we gave them too much space, certainly in the second half, but there is no disgrace in being beaten by that team. Do Spurs, and I think we can, and it will all be rosy again.
Andy Crooks
52 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:05:06
It seemed to me to be a fair enough show against a better side. However, to compete against the money we need the very best from coach and players and that wasn’t it. I tend to agree with the last sentence of James (#24).

Gavin (#38), in my opinion, it looked broken early in the second half. I like Naismith but his arrival is not going to frighten anyone. He is never a game changer.

Colin Glassar
53 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:09:17
There’s always Phil W to prove you wrong, Gavin.

Yes, toe to toe James. Did they batter us, humiliate us, overrun us? Not during the game I saw at least. I must admit the Naismith for Kone (rather than Mirallas or Ossie) baffled me. I really think we’ve moved on from players like Nessie. He’s a hard working, honest pro but not good enough for what we are trying to do.

Oh, and back to the game James. When you’ve got two world class players for every position (plus about six more rotting in the reserves) against you, and you keep the game as tight as it was for 87 mins, I call that toe to toe.

Greg Mckerracher
54 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:10:00
This article is a bit harsh. They are an exceptional side. They are probably the only side in the Premier League who can actually outclass Everton.

We are going to absolutely rape Spurs on their own patch in 6 days time, and even James Stewart will be rejoicing in the positivity and "phenomenal" feel good factor.

Dave Abrahams
55 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:10:17
Phil (41) come on Delboy was on the pitch for five minutes, give him a chance!!!!.
Andrew Presly
56 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:11:11
I’ll be the first to call out our keeper then:

First goal — sackable offence.

John Crawley
57 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:14:37
I agree with the headline, think it sums up how we approached the second half in particular. To me it was an almost Moyes like performance from the manager. He tried to keep it tight but made no real effort to counteract City in the second half.

Naismith for Kone was a like for like, we kept our second highest goalscorer from last season on the bench and didn’t have a go at them in the second half. We were too concerned about them hurting us rather than taking the game to them. Barry’s legs had gone in second half but he stayed on and we brought Deulofeu on too late to make any difference.

Tony Twist
58 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:16:27
Same old, same old. Playing a good side but teams don’t fear a visit to Goodison anymore, that has to change and part of that is not giving them time to settle on the ball. That didn’t happen today.

Manager hasn’t a clue and probably respects City’s stars too much to spoil their play. This was a game to be awkward sods, not the game to allow pretty football.

David Barks
59 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:16:34
This summary is in no way harsh. We were always scared and cautious, the entire match. For large portions of the match, it was back to last season’s tactics, sideways and backward passing.

Naismith off the bench instead of Mirallas? Deulofeu given 5 minutes? Our defense just sitting back and letting City have the ball, not pressuring the opposition. Meanwhile, City pressured us anywhere on the pitch.

Can’t believe how many people are just satisfied with losing. It’s like the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality has taken over at Everton. As if being in the Premier League is the victory each year.

Conor Skelly
60 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:17:41
The only fear I saw was Browning. Froze. Other than that, we came up against a team full of world class players playing well. Fair result. City looking like they might have the title wrapped up by the New Year.

We really missed Baines today to give us that outlet on the left and offer us some width. Worrying thing for me would be who we are going to play there against Spurs with Galloway injured. Browning was way out of his depth today and totally out of position.

The substitutions were poor. Oviedo should have been there from the start if fit. Bringing on Naismith was completely pointless and almost embarrassing in how it highlighted the difference in the sides. Mirallas would have given the crowd a lift and made us far more dangerous.

Howard did well but never should be beaten like that at his near post again, like last year against Chelsea. Overall not terrible but poses more questions than answers. In light of the predictable collapse of the Yarmelenko deal, it looks like the board have more answering to do.

Special mention for Coleman who was terrific. Stones was class too but looked almost pissed off to be there. He’s off.

Ray Roche
61 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:24:34
We bring on Naismith, they bring on Nasri..........
Jamie Barlow
62 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:28:57
I thought we played ok. No need for the fear and trepidation headline. I don't think we were fearful at all, just beaten by a fantastic team.

We really struggled at left full back where Martinez should have sorted it out early doors. Kone didn't do too bad going forward but was terrible helping Galloway. A torrid time for the young lad. Probably should have put Barry there when he went off.

If there was anything to be upset about, it was Howard again, who was at fault for both goals, although he probably kept us in the game early on (but thats his job) and Martinez for not acting earlier in sorting out the left side and not bringing on Duelofeu on earlier.

Man City looked very good though and in all truth could probably have stepped up another gear if they wanted. They easily look the best team in the league by far and will probably demolish most teams this season.

Craig Fletcher
63 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:31:06
Conor (60) what is Stones meant to do during the game to assure us he wants to stay? Smile through the 90 minutes with a "I love Everton" headscarf on?

Mike Powell
64 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:31:38
Thought we played well just got beat by a better side got to hold your hands up City were very good. .If we played like that against most other teams ee would off beat them
Jim Bennings
65 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:31:58
The disappointing thing was that City were there to be beaten today, they really weren't at their best but we have conceded two really soft goals yet again.

The decision to put Browning left back was a dangerous one and he's certainly going to need to be in the market for a left back now.

All in all we played ok at times but we lack quality in crucial area's of the pitch and there is a major problem with winning games at Goodison and has been since the start of last season, we only won 7 from 19 last season and already it's looking rather ominously difficult again.

I'm reserving judgment until next week's transfer window shuts.
Sign some top class players, a solid central defender, a left back, a better goalie (unlikely) and Yarmolenko (now friggin pie in the sky) and then just maybe we can have a better season but stay as we are then there will always be the same arguments, lacking in vital area's and losing concentration too easily.

Big week coming up in shaping our season.

Paul Andrews
66 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:32:49
Ray 61,

You beat me to it.

They take off Sterling (£49 million) and bring on Nasri (£25 million)

They take off Aguero (best striker in the Prem £25 million) and bring on Bony (£30 million)

They take off Silva (best midfielder in the Prem) and bring on Delph

I didn’t see any fear or trepidation. I did see the next league champions, a fantastic team, against a work in progress assembled for a fraction of the price.

Colin Glassar
67 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:33:50
Excellent Craig. Until JS personally visits certain people to reassure them that he’s staying they just won’t give it a rest.
Rob Dolby
68 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:34:32
Predictable result in the end. No shame in the performance. I thought Howard had a good game besides the goal in which Jags was at fault for playing Kolarov onside.

Browning looks we dragged him out of a gym to play footy, Galloway had a torrid time. We should have brought Mirallas on for Browning and put Barry left back.

Let’s hope we can put more if a fight up against Spurs next week after a nail-biter against the Tykes.
Sid Logan
69 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:37:28
Just got in from the game. This is my first moan for some considerable time and indicates my disappointment after the raised expectations prompted by last week’s performance and result.

One thing that has become abundantly clear is that a half-time team talk from Martinez consistently fails to inspire the team. Must be like being ravaged by a dead sheep!

Never do we come out in a second half with a higher intensity than we showed in the first half. In most games we need to go a goal down for this to happen.

The game cried out (once we went a goal down) for a change of tactics through the introduction of a game changer... namely Mirallas or Deulofeu, at least 15 minutes before the end. Instead Martinez does his usual rabbit-in-the-headlights act by leaving the change until yet again it’s much too late.

We played quite well in the first half with some good performance from a number of players but Martinez must realise that the second half of most games requires a step up from the first. Not some sort of consolidation of a satisfactory first half 0-0.

Moyes was always criticised for caution. I’d say Martinez is way ahead of him in this regard.

Mike Oates
70 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:39:39
We did our best today but we can’t compete with the level of control, and movement that Man City, Arsenal and Chelsea have with their quality players. How many times do we get the ball and within 4-5 passes we’ve lost it again, either due to poor control, or ambitious passes as there is no movement into space to receive the ball, or we run down into dead end channels?

Stones often looked for a player to come free but 50% of time our players just don’t find space; only Barry (yes, I said Barry) makes himself available. Cleverley will come good but, even though McCarthy is a real workhorse, his first control, quick passes are awful.

Even so I think we are improving but I think our target should be for somewhere for positions 4 - 7th, with maybe 4th only if as I suspect Man Utd and Liverpool don’t perform as expected. But watch out for Swansea!

Mark Tanton
71 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:39:48
Lovely Howe reference. Full marks.
Eugene Ruane
72 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:43:13
During games like this, against the likes of City, I tut a lot, put my head in my hands occasionally and give it plenty of 'for fuck's sake Everton!'

I say 'DUMB!' at every misplaced (or dumb) pass.

It's frustrating.

That said, at full time I applaud them off and by the time I get to my mate's car, I'm genuinely calm.

And the reason is because ultimately, I know the whole thing wasn't fair to start with.

Manchester City have spent close to a billion on players (as have Chelsea) and there is a reason they've spent it.

That type of money gets you great players - players with touch, pace and great (football) brains and those players win you trophies.

We simply can't compete.

(yes with the wind behind us, occasionally we can pick up a draw or even a win against these sides, but we can't compete against them over over a season).

There were things we did today that made me moan, but generally I thought we weren't too bad.

Specially considering this - Link

Zachary Tanner
74 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:48:34
I’m with Colin @53 here. I’d say toe to toe, up until Nasri’s chip. Lukaku had a goal disallowed (close call), a free-kick graze the crossbar, Barry’s header cleared off the line. Entertaining game, end to end stuff at times, never felt like we out of it until they go 2-up as we’re pushing for an equalizer. City are a class ahead, largely due to the depth that oil money can buy.

And frankly, we gave them a better game than Chelsea did. Martinez, apart from his substitutions, played it right in my mind. If we sit back in two banks of 4 and try to hit them on the counter, Silva, Toure and Aguero just pick us apart. If we throw everything at them, Sterling and Navas burn us on the counter.

Nothing to complain about for me, it was more entertaining than the old Moyes days of grind it out until 85 min and try to get lucky. We played our game, and had a good go of it.

Steve Barr
75 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:52:14
I reckon the headline is spot on with respect to our 2nd half performance. In my opinion we matched them in the 1st half, the offside goal two free kicks in great positions resulting from thrusting runs forward etc.

Don't know what was said at half time but back to the same old Everton, rolling over and giving up a winnable game. I particularly remember a similar 2nd half performance v Liverpool in the FA Cup semi-final. Must be an Everton thing given the management and coaching changes since that debacle.

To compound the frustration, inept substitutions yet again. What do all these coaching badges really mean? Do these guys actually learn anything from these courses they attend?

How many on here would have brought on either Mirallas or Deulofeu around the time Naismith was brought on. The 2nd substitution should be the one you take risks on changing the game. Not the last one, with 3 minutes to go!

Andy Walker
76 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:55:52
City certainly outplayed us and deservedly won. The players certainly put a shift in though so credit for that. But we were let down by known weaknesses which still haven't been addressed. Goalkeeper, left back, second striker, add to that bizarre subs and the outcome was sadly defeat.

The Stones situation needs sorting now if he's going to leave and not a deadline day, otherwise we will also have a massive issue at CB.

Ian Brandes
77 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:56:38
A bit like a school report - Tries hard, but not good enough. Precision passing went out of the window in the 2nd half, and Big Rom did not really turn up.

We didn't need Naismith to come on. For the last 40 minutes we could have done with Leon, who has a football brain and the guile to make the killer pass.

We did not disgrace ourselves though, so I suppose that is something,

Gavin Johnson
78 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:59:04
Andy (#52), I agree that Naismith isn’t the game changing player. Those would have have been Mirallas or Deulofeu. I guess Roberto opted for Naismith because he felt the formation was working and Naismith was more of a like-for-like replacement for Kone.

Lennon would have been a player to bring on had we signed him. He would have offered pace on the break and would have also tracked back.

James Flynn
79 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:00:02
Is this Jon Woods stating Stones won’t be sold?


Fraser Auld
80 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:00:14
Even 1st half, shaky first 20/25 mins then the better team until half time. 2nd half they went up a gear and we couldn’t live with them but battled away gamely.

The main difference in the game was down their right they had Sagna, Navas with Silva popping up and playing little one-twos. We had Galloway (Browning), Kone (Naismith) and Barry. Galloway and Kone as a pair got the arse ripped out them.

We saw today what a loss Baines is for the season, the difference is massive. Similalry, I sincerely hope that Mirallas is still not match fit (Deulofeu clearly wasn’t when he came on) and that was the reason Kone started ahead of him. Kone is decent but shouldn’t be keeping out Kev or Del Boy when fit.

Charles Brewer
81 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:02:55
This was an interesting match in which I thought a number of things became clear.

First, I stick to my view that Lukaku and Kone should either be on together, or off together. Until Kone went off, the Everton attack, while not setting the match on fire, was at least real. Once Kone went off and Naismith came on, there was no attack at all. Lukaku’s complete lack of ability to control the ball - he really did "trap" the ball 20 yards on one occasion - makes him a complete liability up front, and Naismith doesn’t dovetail with him as Kone does. It would have been better to take both Lukaku and Kone off and replace them with Naismith and Mirallas, or maybe Deulofeu and Mirallas.

Second, Howard had a much better game than anything I can remember from last year, but let in the two easiest saves. The first was simply dreadful positioning, and the second should have been smothered - it was a relatively slow and bouncing ball and the attacker had really only one option. A Schmeichel would have taken ball, man and all, straight out of the game. Howard’s unwillingness to leave the goal-line caught Everton out on that one.

There is also something Martinez needs to do with Barkley so that when - as so often today - he attracts more than half the opposition team to close him down, there is some rehearsed routine which ensures that the inevitable numerical advantage elsewhere is put to good use. It may be a fast turn and pass back which is used to get another attacker in, it may be a lob over the top of the defenders, but today it was clear that Barkley was terrifying by far the best team in England but Everton could not make use of this.

Overall, Everton played well, with Seamus Coleman (or perhaps the Fat Sam/Charles Brewer version Simon Coalmine) outstanding. Galloway was clearly targetted but managed not to do anything disastrous, Barry had an excellent game, Cleverley is starting to look as though he is a real find, and is beginning to get on the same wavelength as the rest of the team. Jagielka was excellent, Stones was perfectly sound - I don’t think its worth the risk of trying to look really cool with David Silva sniffing around would be too sensible.

Manchester City is an excellent team, and I hope will go on to win the Premier League. However, I have not seen anything else which would stop even a push for second from Everton. Manchester United have not yet scored a single proper goal (on own goal, one deflection), Liverpool have had at least one shockingly unfair win (they should actually have lost to Bournemouth), Chelsea look like a team in deep crisis (Excellent! I shall enjoy watching the wheels come of that nasty outfit), and Arsenal may be OK, but there’s not much evidence yet.

Mark Tanton
82 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:05:08
Changing the subject for a moment, what was happening down the bottom of the Gwladys? Aguero was involved and then the medics arrived too?
John Aldridge
83 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:12:48
I thought we played really well first half, I wasn’t worried at all we seemed to match up to Sitteh well. Second half I thought we started a bit slow, soft goal to give away. And then we sat and watched, along with Martinez, wondering when he was going to change it.

Kone off for Naismith? Really?? Naismith is the answer to a question nobody asked. He’s not a game changer. I'd have preferred Mirallas or Deeulofeu; they can make things happen. Wrong sub, too late.

I have to take some positives though; Jags and Stones looked solid as usual. We’re starting to see the real Barkley again, some of the pomp and swagger is returning. I hope it continues. Cleverley again looked a useful acquisition

I just wish Martinez would realise sooner when we need to make changes.

Paul Jeronovich
84 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:13:27
James #79, that is Jon Woods and he clearly says both him and Kenwright are not selling. Will look a bit daft if they do?
Pete Edwards
85 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:13:57
Conor, are you having a laugh!?! So Stones looked pissed off, yeh? How dare he be like that when we lose. Would you prefer he was laughing and joking about it?!?! Get a grip!
Don Alexander
86 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:14:13
I think the headline's accurate. Why else did we stand off them rather than harass? Why did we produce next to nothing of the tactics that did for Southampton and instead constantly over pass until they reassembled their two lines of four, especially as our passing was pretty average at best?

Whilst I have a lot of sympathy for Rom in terms of the lack of penalty area service he generally receives under RM's "tactics" he cannot be excused for being as useless as he was again today in totally failing to hold the ball when it's played to him from defence. He's boasting about his size and power and so he should, but it lets the team down when he seems to make zero real effort in the muck-and-bullets areas of the pitch. Training and lots of it improves the ability to receive a ball so that you and your team can build, rather than presenting it right back to your opponents so they can immediately turn the screw on your team-mates.

Karl Jones
87 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:16:23
The left side of our team which was once the envy of the PL for years, has become a severe weakness that poorer teams than City will exploit. We look so unbalanced at the moment.

Play Oviedo and Osman until Baines and hopefully Pienaar are back. You don't get away with it at this level.

Robin Cannon
88 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:17:40
@Eugene(72) - Totally agree.

I am so much less interested these days. Unless you're a billionaire's vanity project, it's basically fucking pointless, and I don't ever want us to be a billionaire's vanity project.

Dave Ganley
89 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:21:01
Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say the opposition were just too good. I have been one of Evertons biggest critic over the last 12 months for their awful style of play but today I thought we gave it a go and we came up short against a very good City side.

A lot of TWers here have been pointing the finger at the second half performance but imo City upped their game and quality shone through in the end. At times City looked as though they had extra men on the field and that is purely down to how good their players are. Silva in particular was outstanding.

The City goals were avoidable but these things happen. I thought Howard had a good game and it would be churlish to start pointing the finger at him after the numerous times he kept us in the game with good saves. If we do have to be critical then I think the subs could have come earlier and Mirallas instead of Naismith should have been the call for the visibly tiring Kone, who pleasantly surprised me and had a good game.

There were lots of positives out there today, Kone, Barkley played well, just need to work on his vision, Coleman, Barry (again pleasantly surprised) Cleverley, Rom unlucky with his disallowed goal and his free kick. As a team, we defended well and covered for each other well and when we had the opportunity, we attacked quickly too, a far cry from some of the football we have seen from the last 12 months. We tired in the second half as we did cover a lot of ground chasing a good City team and we didn't have the quality that City had to come off the bench (again not surprising given Citys billions).

All in all not a bad display, certainly not one full of fear and trepidation I'm afraid Michael. I enjoyed the game (long time since I said that at GP) and as I said earlier, we were just beaten by a better side (and probable champions) no shame in that. We will play a lot worse than that and win. If we can maintain this style of play then the future will look a lot brighter than it did a couple of weeks ago. Play like that that against Barnsley and Spurs and we should go into the international break happy.

Conor Skelly
90 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:23:45
Craig (63). I take your point. Just an inkling. I thought his body language was that of a man who's heart wasn't really in it. I hope I'm wrong because we need to keep him and add. You can see why Chelsea want him so desperately. Class.
John Keating
91 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:35:04
When the fixtures came out I didn’t expect us to get anything against City so the result was no surprise.

What was a surprise was the abysmal passing when we had the ball. You know you’re not going to get a lot of chances or much of the ball against City so when you do have it make good use.

Not sure why Mirallas was not brought on. Howard being beaten at the near post after making a few good saves was the end.

Craig Fletcher
92 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:36:38
Fair enough Conor.

Whatever happens happens but I believe the club (and Stones) will/have made the right decision. We can't get wound up with what the media lackeys say.

Helen Mallon
93 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:38:23
I think your headline is a bit harsh, Micheal. City where just that much better.

On another note our 3 left on bench should have played instead of the ones that did.

Dave Abrahams
94 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:44:57
Mark (82), Aguero noticed that a supporter in the front row was in some sort of trouble (maybe a heart attack, it looked serious). He immediately signalled to the referee who summoned the medical people who came right away.

The medics dealt with the problem; it took an awful long time before the supporter was carried out on a stretcher.

Hope the fan is okay, the Man City player deserves a clap of appreciation for his very prompt action, it certainly got the supporter very quick medical attention.

Sam Hoare
95 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:49:30
I thought we were pretty impressive untill we conceded what was a slightly unfortunate goal (you wouldn’t expect to score from that angle very often) and then we never really looked like getting back into it, partly as a result of Naismith clogging up our attacks.

There were some encouraging individual performances and we were playing an excellent City side with Silva, Aguero and Kompany at the top of the game. Disappointing we did not give them more to think about once they went ahead but I’m seeing more encouraging things than I saw for lots of last season.

I’m more upset about the Yarmolenko transfer falling through as I think that could have really transformed us from mid table to top 4 challengers.

Christy Ring
96 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:51:11
Martinez said Howard was 'class', and not at fault for opening goal. That tells me that Robles is never going to get a chance, and we're never going to buy a keeper.
Mark Tanton
97 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:55:50
Thanks Dave, that's pretty much what I thought, but I was watching in a pub with no sound!
Barry Jones
98 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:59:15
I think we learnt a lot about Browning's character. He was being roasted continually, then he gets a slight knock and uses it as his "get out of jail free card". In his defense, he had little help defensively from Kone.......and he is not a left back. Wouldn't it have made more sense to keep Garbutt and put either Galloway or Browning out for loan?
Mark Tanton
100 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:00:27
Very harsh Barry.
Thomas Surgenor
101 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:01:09
Barry (#98),

In hindsight it wouldn’t have mattered as Garbutt is also injured.

Gavin McGarvey
102 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:05:52
I didn't catch the whole game, but I thought we weren't too bad. I would have liked us to put more pressure on once they scored and am not sure why Deulofeu and Mirallas didn't come on. I know Barkley had a good game, but he and maybe Barry could have come off to make way.

Pleased to see some improvement from last season anyway, if we keep on like that and get in a few more players in the window then fingers crossed we can put last season behind us. COYB.

Peter Mills
103 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:12:51
I didn't see much fear and trepidation, I just saw that City were generally bigger, stronger and more skillful. We did our best, but lacked invention.
Alan McGuffog
104 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:13:03
Barry, all I saw was a promising young player up against one of the best attacking forces in Europe. I imagine you always doubted Colin Harvey’s character after his display against Inter back in 1963-64?
Martin Mason
105 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:17:32
A very sobering experience really. We’re simply not in City’s league although, given the massive gap in spending, we aren’t so far away but it may as well be light years.

With respect to players, I thought Howard was exceptional and not to blame at all for the first goal. He was left badly exposed by the defence, if he’d stayed on the line, Kolarov would have pulled the ball back across goal to Aguero so he came out and left a small gap hoping to cover both options and bang. His earlier saves saved us from a rout.

Stones was magnificent, Coleman was very good and Ross too until he faded later. Ross’s problem when he fades is not that he slows down but runs into blind allies with no possible outcome and gives the ball away. He’s improved in leaps and bounds though and looks like he’ll reach his potential although at a slightly lower level than once expected.

Jags was very good too but there seems to be little linkage and understanding between central and wide defenders. Kone was dreadful for me as, although he does good things, he left Galloway constantly exposed and City went for him and destroyed him. Browning was better when he came on and Naismith helped with cover but I doubt either are left backs. I still have this horrible feeling that we are playing poor formations which work only once in a blue moon, I think that we can do a lot better consistently than we actually do.

My biggest worry about the team? Under Moyes we played down the wings and full back and wide midfielder complemented each other in defence and attack. The Baines - Pienaar axis was amazing yet now we have nothing. Now we have no real attacking option down the wing and it seems to be a vulnerable route which good sides like City can destroy us easily as Arsenal did in Singapore. The way that City were passing balls through and around each side of the defence was painful today.

City were good though and showed us our true station.

Paul Smith
106 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:18:37
Barry - my understanding is Luke wanted game time & was 2nd choice behind Leighton, hence the loan.

Incredible really that against the top teams we're then left with two rookies as our only starters.

Oliver Molloy
107 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:21:33
Martinez has a clear plan for Garbutt, and it didn’t include getting injured.

We were outclassed today by a very good team so no complaints really, other than what we know already.

Lukuka showed when he comes against really good defenders, it shows! Howard saved us from getting beat by at least another couple of goals, in saying that he should have saved their second goal at least. Would the likes of Austin have made a difference today, yes I think so.

McCarthy is running all over the pitch, but is very limited in other areas. Barry for all his experience is just too slow. Barkley needs to get his head up more, maybe have a look at John Stones!

I agree with whoever said Deulofeu will be mostly a bit part player for us this season. I think we will find out were we really are when we play Spurs. And what has happened to Oviedo?

Brent Stephens
108 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:22:38
Ray Roche #61 "We bring on Naismith, they bring on Nasri.........."

Sums it all up. 0-2 against that load of money is no disgrace. But I was surprised at the Naismith substitution – it just said "capitulation", keep it tight (by chasing them down) so as to not concede any more, rather than take the game to them with Gerard or Kevin. So to that extent the title of the OP isn’t far wrong.

Brent Stephens
109 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:27:58
I hope today’s experience doesn’t have a lasting negative impact on Galloway. He needed cover in front and behind him and didn’t get it. How many seasoned pros in EPL would really relish the challenge of the likes of Navas – not many.

Cleverley’s astute passing was a plus for me.

Eugene Ruane
110 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:32:03
For me the substitute thing on days like this is futile.

I mean I understand the frustrated venting thing of ’we should have brought X on instead of Y!’ but I don’t believe any of it would have made any difference.

Like someone attempting to race against a Formula One car on a pair of roller skates and being told ’don’t use skates, use a skateboard!’ (ie: it’s not going to change the result).

Dave (89) – ’Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say the opposition were just too good.’

Agree, but they’re too good because the owner who paid for them has limitless funds – that imo should always be mentioned (by supporters of every club).

Jamie Crowley
111 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:33:33
Everyone banging on about the subs...

Browning in for Galloway - like for like admittedly but Roberto wanted Barry in MF, not dropping back to LB, and I agree for this game.

Naisy in for for Kone - clearly to protect Browning who needed cover. Mirallas and DelBoy don't track back and putting one of them on would have meant a young player probably roasted.

DelBoy on for Cleverly - that's the legitimate gripe. Too late for me.

But these moves were all necessitated with Galloway's injury. Without Galloway out, I think you'd have seen Delo and Super Kev on each side from the 65th / 70th onward.

A good effort up against simply the best. City were just fantastic. I really don't understand the "return to fear and trepidation". I didn't see that at all.

Kevin Tully
112 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:43:08
It's not very often I come away from Goodison Park saying I enjoyed a game after a loss, but City were a joy to watch - if you appreciate great players. Silva is something else and if they don't win in the League, they are seriously under performing.

Not too dissapointed in our performance, but bringing on players with 5 minutes to go always baffles me, why Bobby?

On another note, what the fuck haven't we brought anyone in? Mid-table sides have already spent £20-30m..not in London..could be Portsmouth....Bill's one of us...carry on making those excuses.

Beyond all that, Evertonians watching a Premier League football game around a metal beam is embarrassing. In 2015. I would ask - really? Are we all stuck in 1972?

Eric Owen
113 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:47:58
IMO a real tale of two halves.

I think they needed a drug test after the second half.
They only trouble is I don't know which team should take the test?

Don't think you can put all the blame on the players; I think RM was really out-coached today in the second half.

Colin Glassar
114 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:55:10
City are probably the only team in the prem, apart from Everton of course, that I don’t dislike intensely. Hats off to Kun Aguero for calling the refs attention to the sick fan rather then try and take a quick corner.

Most City players seem rather decent lads compared to the scumbags at Chelsea or that lot across the park. And they don’t seem to cheat as much either.

Paul Smith
115 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:02:33
Eugene - it’s true!

Gary Neville & the other bloke continually wax lyrical about City's talent, yet fail to mention once, the unlevel playing field their billions brings.

Feel ripped off continually.

Brian Denton
116 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:02:39
Have to agree with Eugene on this one. We were never going to win that game, if we are honest. NO combination of our players or tactics could do it; the only way we could have won would have been if two or three of their players had had an off day (they didn’t) or it was one of those games where a team does everything but can’t score (it wasn’t).

Everything than could level up things a bit – dodgy pitches, players tied to their clubs before Bosman, the ability to get in a ’tasty’ tackle early on – all have been removed from this wonderful Premier League. The clubs with the most money will buy ALL the best players, not just most of them as in the past. The club coming from nowhere to finish 2nd or 3rd, which happened plenty of times before the Premier League simply can’t happen again.

Andy Meighan
117 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:03:43
90 minutes of football at home and we’ve never even troubled the keeper once. Absolutely criminal, but how many times have we seen this under Martinez?

Yes, I know we were up against the Champs elect but still I expect like many others to at least attack the opposition, especially at home. Our build-up is so sterile and pedestrian it's untrue.

Oh, and by the way, am I the only person inside Goodison who thinks McCarthy is shite? Someone please tell me what he offers the side because I can’t see it . He doesn’t protect the back four, neither does he give the forwards any encouragement. He should’ve been dragged off after 60 mins and Deulofeu brought on but, no, the manager doesn’t see the game.
Trevor Peers
118 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:06:16
It's very difficult to learn much out of a game like that, City with their vast superiority in almost every position were only ever going to be tripped up by complacency or bad luck. At one point we looked like we might snatch a draw but that 2nd City goal effectively ended our hopes.

We played with a lot of spirit but their midfield was pretty awesome.
Against lesser teams we will be able to compete better, the next match at Spurs will give us a better idea of were we're at, a few more signings would help.

Keith Monaghan
119 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:08:34
City deserved to win, & could have won by more but for Howard, but he was at fault for crucial first goal.

Quality of service to strikers is our biggest problem. McCarthy puts in good effort but a lot of it is ineffective and his passing very limited. Ross was as frustrating as ever, too many touches on the ball and too greedy with it – he should have scored immediately before Rom’s "offside goal".

Many decent performances but a lot of the criticism driven by the the last few minutes. Galloway been doing OK but not naturally a left back & Browning is a right back. I hope Oviedo is fit enough for 90 minutes soon; I think he should have started & then been replaced by Galloway when tiredness kicked in.

Overall, not as bad a show as many suggest.

Gavin Johnson
120 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:14:46
Keith - That's the story of Howard's life as Everton goalie..Has a good game then undoes it by a school boy error being beaten at the near post.
Clive Lewis
121 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:15:55
Well I don’t want to sound too negative but it seems that a lot of supporters have accepted our status of Wigan lite. We were beaten by a better side? – not sure if I heard that before at Goodison for a while.

Man City were better and controlled the game. Reminded me of Chelsea home last season. Well, one thing is clear we are still the team of last season. Watford and now Man City confirm this.

Andy Meighan
122 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:19:04
I posted on Friday that Lukaku was silly coming out with comments like, "If their centre backs get in my way, I'll flatten 'em." Today, he was atrocious. His touch for a professional footballer is appalling and the City centre back Mangala (who, by the way, is so ordinary, it's untrue) had him in his pocket all game.

Why does this imposter build himself up with statements like "I can be as good as Aguero"? No, Rom, you can’t.

You’re so limited, it beggars belief. £28 mil and you can’t even do the basics. And please if anyone comes on and says the service etc etc, I will fucking scream. Yes it was poor but that does not excuse a player who can’t trap a ball. I see Kone who I thought wasn’t bad given the circumstances was brought off before him god only knows why... All-in-all, a second rate display for me and not once did we look like troubling their keeper.

Keith Monaghan
123 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:20:59
Can't disagree Gavin - thought Robles eventually deserved to stay in when he was shaping up at the end of that 6/7 game run last season. Another typical failing (& under Moyes) was giving opposing midfield players so much space to receive & control the ball - it's not difficult to keep Toure quiet, but we let him always be in space.
Colin Glassar
124 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:23:38
I know hindsight is a great thing but wouldn't it have been better putting Barry at LB and putting someone like Besic into MF after Galloway went off? I felt sorry for Browning as he tried his best in an unfamiliar position against such high octane opposition.
Mike Childs
125 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:27:29
We bossed the last 20 minutes of the first half. Then halftime. The second half starts and we have somehow lost our way.

One thing that must stop is the backing off. Press 'em — not everybody has the ball on a string. Even Messi gets his pocket picked.

Howard still hurting us by hanging on to the ball starting the offense too late.

Barry Jones
126 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:28:05
In recent years our record against City has been stellar. We have stood "toe to toe" with them in every sense and beaten them quite often. City were also a great side in these years too. It’s not as if they have brought in a lot of players in the summer, many of the same players are still there.

So why are we suddenly saying that we have no chance against such a great side as City and that we have to admit defeat against a better side and move on? Are we lowering our expectations?

Barry McNally
127 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:36:20
Jack Butland should have been in nets today.
Colin Glassar
128 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:39:44
Barry, on the contrary. I think this has possibly been the most positive thread I've ever seen on TW after a defeat. No one is saying we should've accepted a defeat beforehand (at least as far as I can see) simply that on the day we were beaten by the better team.
Raymond Fox
129 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:42:48
As far as criticising substitutes and when they're brought on is concerned, the manager will know who is 100% fit and who is still an injury risk.

Talk about hope springs eternal, how the hell are we ever going to assemble a team that is good enough to match sides such as City consistently?

Answers on a postcard please.

Liam Reilly
130 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:51:07
Some of the comments on here are just lunacy. They were there for the taken; we could've done more. What the fuck!

That was a really good effort against a team that have players like Silva and Aguero who would alone cost more than our club.

It's not an even playing field. You can't blame RM for that; or maybe some of you can. Nonsense.

I thought we played really well against a very good side who knew they were in a game.

David Hallwood
131 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:58:10
Agree with Liam (#130) lot’s of positives to be taken away, certainly in the 1st half. They were terrified of Barkley & Rom and Coleman’s back to his best. Rom’s goal if offside, was marginal and he also hit the post.

A tight game and we held our own against a team that took Chelsea apart last week.

Tony Hill
133 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:02:12
Raymond (129), we have consistently been good enough to challenge City down the years and apart from the 3-2 a couple of years ago when we hardly wanted them to win, we have at least been their match at Goodison. Ditto at their place.

Today we matched them in the first half and then failed to be ready when, predictably, they picked up the pace in the second half as all good sides do.

What is obvious from today is that we miss someone to knit things together as a creative midfielder, to lead and to stay calm when we're in trouble, to find the gaps and the angles. We also miss a proper alternative up front to the infuriatingly erratic Lukaku.

I would play McCarthy (who lost the ball for the first goal and had a poor game) alongside Barkley, dropping Barry, in central midfield and get in our number 10 ahead of them. It's the number 10 who will make or break us.

Did I see Stones waving goodbye to the crowd or was that someone else? My eyes aren't what they used to be.

David Hallwood
134 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:13:04
Watching MotD2 and Watford run out to Z-Cars!! cheeky bastards!
Nick Entwistle
135 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:15:45
Less concerned with that David, than the defensive differences highlighted by Keown. I thought Terry's red card would put £3m on Stones's value, and then that happens.
Patrick Murphy
136 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:17:45
They’ve been using it for years David (#134) but not as long as Everton. Bill McGarry, the Watford gaffer at the time, liked the TV series and the story goes that he was passing a local Taxi office, by the name of N-Cars and it had a sign but the N fell and it became inadvertently a Z. Watford went on a long unbeaten run at home in whichever league they were playing at the time.
Ciarán McGlone
137 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:22:46
Terrible selection, formation and substitutions.. no width, no balance and no chance against that City midfield.

We are capable of giving anybody a game on any given day, but not with our hands tied behind our back.

Best players in their natural positions please.

Milo Gould
138 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:32:51
A lot has been said about the left back problem. Surely Martinez let Garbutt go out on loan too quickly before Baines had proved his fitness?

We were easy to beat today by exposing our left flank and others will do this. We are in big trouble and should not be fooled by the Southampton win.
Paul Washington
139 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:33:57
Dave @ 134 .. I remember going to Watford's first ever game in 1st Division v Everton 1982 [?] at Vicarage Road and they ran out to.... Johnny Todd (Z-Cars). Sunderland used to use it as well.
Eugene Ruane
140 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:36:19
Barry (126) - 'So why are we suddenly saying that we have no chance against such a great side as City?'

Well 'no chance' should certainly be qualified.

In my first post (72) I added - '(yes with the wind behind us, occasionally we can pick up a draw or even a win against these sides, but we can't compete against them over over a season).

We've undoubtedly had a few good results over City (since they've had money), but the reality is they don't spend hundreds of millions so teams without a pot to piss in (like us) can beat them regularly.

Not so long ago, City and Chelsea had no more money than anyone else and couldn't even stay in the top division - now they're owned by billionaires and look to be swapping the title between them.

We might beat them occasionally but eventually the money wins.

You also ask - 'So why are we suddenly saying we have to admit defeat against a better side and move on? Are we lowering our expectations?'

Before a ball is kicked, our attitude (supporters and team) should always be be 'let's give this a go' and defeat should only be admitted at the final whistle, if we've lost.

But I have definitely lowered my expectations or rather they have been lowered for me.

I used to believe at the start of each season there was a chance of winning the league, now because of the wealth of others and our lack of money, I know we have absolutely no chance.

David Hallwood
141 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:38:02
That's a bit unfair Ciaran; firstly it was a winning team and I think it gives a fluidity between 4-5-1 4-4-2 4-3-3, and we held our own for an hour before a horrible but persistent near post TH howler made it a uphill battle.

But a lot of positives to take out of today's performance.

Chris Butler
142 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:43:05
I think that this defeat shows that we still need signings, sadly it was a return to last season's endless passing with no end product. We made it easy for City, not having any threat on the wings made it very easy for their midfielders and defenders to stop our attacks.

Deulofeu should have been brought on far quicker, plus Naismith shouldn’t've been brought on. He should've brought on Mirallas instead.

I think we are sleepwalking into problems; if Lukaku gets injured, we’ll be in serous trouble. We need to bring in another striker and another defender.

Tony Hill
143 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:43:32
Don't give up Eugene, never ever. I am proud that we have kept our soul; indeed I think of our club as the keepers of football's soul. Worth a thousand trophies as far as I'm concerned. Who wants to win backed by Russian gangsters or Middle East playboy money?

I know this is a stale argument but I am proud that we are still the club supported by those who came before us and not a virtual reality construct.

Andy Crooks
144 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:48:19
Martin, # 105, I disagree. In my view Howard was not exceptional. He made saves that a Premier League goalkeeper should and then committed two howlers. To exonerate him from blame on the first goal seems to me to be simply taking a contrary view for the sake of it.

City have better players, now and again we will have a day when it all goes right and beat the money clubs, but today went as the bookies thought. There were positives today but our squad is light and I think we need a new goalkeeper.

Paul Webb
145 Posted 24/08/2015 at 00:27:35
We have an abundance of midfielder's in the squad yet we play Kone on the left side of midfield?
Tony Doran
146 Posted 24/08/2015 at 00:28:20
Mirallas was not happy about not playing and who could blame him? Bringing on Naismith and Delboy before him was the sign of a man who has lost the plot.

Surprised he signed a new deal and think it was only done to get more for him.
Robin Cannon
147 Posted 24/08/2015 at 01:01:05
@Tony (143)

Totally with you. I don't wanna be some oligarch's toy.

But that doesn't mean that the state of football, especially in England, isn't really depressing. In the current climate, I don't see any prospect of us achieving any significant success; certainly not in the league, probably not in the cups. At most, a puncher's chance in one off games against big clubs.

Given that, however, I really wish we'd do something different as a club. Run ourselves as a good business, at the very least. Or pursue a German model of including extensive supporter ownership. Just anything to try and change the track.

Jim Hardin
148 Posted 24/08/2015 at 01:27:12
On TV over here right after they showed our new defender in the stands watching and mentioned his deal around $5 million, they then mentioned that Man City had just bought their new defender for over $50 million, ten times what we paid for ours. This for a player who may not even start for them. Over $100 million spent on two defenders by Man City the last two seasons.

Hard to compete with a team with a budget like that but I believe Everton players gave it their full effort but the difference in class was evident. But for Howard pulling off some excellent saves the score should have been 5-1 easily instead of 2-0.
Ernie Baywood
149 Posted 24/08/2015 at 01:50:25
For once I actually agree with Martinez's appraisal of the game. First goal was the key and we had a couple of opportunities to get it.

City give you a real dilemma. You want to get at them but if you press they can take you out of the game in an instant. Hard to admit, but City were top class. They move through the gears so easily - scintillating one minute then they kill the game and take all tempo out of it. The first goal was a bit freaky but it made all the difference. Once they had control they were too good to let it go.

For our part, most on here were calling for a sit back and break approach similar to last week. I think that wouldn't have worked against City and we had the balance about right between committing too much and too little. Ross was brilliant in the first half and Lukaku gave their centre halves a rough time. I also thought Stones was great again.

Arguably we should have used Del or Kev from about 60/70 minutes if we had designs on winning this... that's the black mark for me.

I won't be celebrating a fairly comfortable win for City at Goodison but I'm not losing hope after that.

Barry Jones
150 Posted 24/08/2015 at 01:55:13
Eugene, I concur with you. My expectations have also been lowered by the reality of today's economics. So what is success for Everton? How do you gauge that? For me its a top six finish in the league and competing "toe to toe" as Colin would say against the top teams. A cup win would be nice but a cup win is a little bit about luck and less about consistency.

I want consistency. I want consistency of performance. I want to cheer my team, knowing that we are at a certain level and that on our day we can beat anyone. That suffices. I've witnessed the great days for Everton. That's why I am a blue through and through (as we all are on here). Winning the league is fantasy, but we can always dream.

Jamie Crowley
151 Posted 24/08/2015 at 02:00:17
Tony Hill:

I am proud that we have kept our soul; indeed I think of our club as the keepers of football’s soul.

So well said. And I agree wholeheartedly.

This has to be the most level-headed string on TW ever. Very refreshing.

Steve Brown
152 Posted 24/08/2015 at 03:00:52
Good first half, toe to toe with a very good team. Second half they unpicked us with their passing game. We have a major headache at left-back with Galloway/Browning clearly good prospects but not ready for this level (where is Oviedo?!); neither gave us anything going forward.

I was genuinely confused why RM didn't switch Cleverley to the left to give better cover and bring on Mirallas on the right. If this persists, we should consider bringing back a fit Garbutt from loan if he isn't going to play Bryan.

One other worry area for me: McCarthy has looked all over the place in midfield and needs a break, with Besic a good replacement. Spurs will be a better test of where we are next week and I am confident as long as we have at least one winger in the team.

Mike Gaynes
153 Posted 24/08/2015 at 03:13:34
Andy Crooks #144, not sure what planet you were watching the game from, but the reception must have been poor. Howard "committed two howlers"? Are you kidding?

A blast from six yards by a wide-open player with the power of Kolarov can never be described as a "howler"... yes, Howard was certainly at fault for opening up the near post, but your description is a vast overstatement. And what exactly was he supposed to do about Nasri waltzing through and lobbing him? Grow eight-foot arms and swat it away? Sorry, but I think that's ridiculous. As to his saves, you're certainly entitled to your Howard-bashing opinion, but I thought the first two were excellent., and so did the game commentators.

Overall, I thought we played pretty well against a side with vastly superior talent that I already picked to win the Prem with ease. And Eugene's got it right -- when the money is so utterly lopsided, this kind of result is reality.

Ernie Baywood
155 Posted 24/08/2015 at 05:51:24
Raymond Fox #129

"Talk about hope springs eternal, how the hell are we ever going to assemble a team that is good enough to match sides such as City consistently."

That might be the most depressing sentence I've ever read. It nails the problem.

There's only one way isn't there? Man Utd have been the corporate, commercial benchmark and they're in the wake of these teams. What chance do the rest of us have?

John Voigt
156 Posted 24/08/2015 at 06:12:41
This was a game where Everton were second-best but showed quality in patches.

I thought the Blues played pretty well. If Lukaku’s free kick goes in and it was a quality strike the game might have been different.

Coleman was bright. I LUV our young guys. They just need experience.

It’s off to the next fixture and I’m confident that the Blues will have a pretty good season.


Sean Haragdon
157 Posted 24/08/2015 at 06:52:50
Watched the game yesterday and I think we put up a good show against a very strong opposition. I felt sorry for young Galloway; Kone had a good game but offered him little support down the left an City continually exposed this fact. If Cleverley or Pienaar had been in front to of him, I think he would have done okay. Facing City in that kind of form is arguably the greatest challenge the lad will ever face.

On the Mirallas and Deulofeu appearances or lack there of, people forget that both theses guys area coming off injuries so that could be the reason why Deulofeu was introduced so late and Mirallas didn't get a sniff. I expect both to get a good run out against Barnsley. Word of mention though for my fellow countryman Coleman... How good was he yesterday?

Still after all this I still think we must strengthen the squad before September or risk being left behind like we were last season.

Steven Jones
158 Posted 24/08/2015 at 09:06:46
The Headline has some justification given we were within ourselves second half and the substitutes were conservative.

Pluses to me were Galloway – despite being under intense pressure, I watched his positional pay closely, his reactions and physicality etc...
For a CB he is going to be great for EFC.

I was also impressed again Browning’s calmness and no-one went through him, it even took £50M John Stones to get past him.

We really do have a golden generation of defenders with Holgate, Garbutt, Pennington, & Kenny coming through as well.

There will be no space for youth defenders for the next 5 years, so the standard will go off the scale. We can concentrate on forward positions with our transfer kitty!

Mike Gwyer
159 Posted 24/08/2015 at 09:24:42
Why all the negativity. City showed us yesterday what eventually happens when you continually throw money about like confetti, for fuck's sake, their 2nd team would probably get into the EPL top 4.

Sad thing is though, it's sooooooo fucking boring for the rest of us minions who seem to do nothing more than just make up the numbers in the EPL. Maybe BK has got it right; survive and then survive again but continue to rake in the Sky millions.

Denis Richardson
160 Posted 24/08/2015 at 09:45:23
Is it just me or do we think Mirallas may be sold before the window shuts? Seems very odd that Naismith and Deulofeu were both brought on before him when RM says he’s 100% fit.

The contract on longer and better terms will obviously mean his price is higher as the £7M-odd quoted before is far too little for a player of his age and quality.

May not have made a difference to the final outcome but it would definitely have made us more of a threat going forward and who then knows......

Rob Newling
161 Posted 24/08/2015 at 11:08:56
Overdue for a European Super League then? Leave the EPL to the less monied clubs. The game’s certainly got well skewed since the old, First Division days! All the usual suspects & that.

Put into $ perspective, still reckon we’re punching above our weight – I just hopeful it will continue.

Personally, I like the Aussie AFL system – even the big clubs spend seasons at the bottom. Certainly keeps it interesting for the majority of fans.

There, I didn’t even mention the cricket! ;-)

Paul Cherrington
162 Posted 24/08/2015 at 11:31:40
I think we played well overall although I don’t know why Mirallas was left out totally (even if he didn’t start, he should have come on) as others have mentioned. Is he on his way to Spurs?

I don’t think we can just shrug it off as it was City who beat us either – we used to turn them over regularly in years gone by when they had a good team too.

John Voigt
163 Posted 24/08/2015 at 11:50:28
Comments about Big Money City vs Our Blues:

City subs the 2nd half were Nasri and Bony. They cost a bloody fortune.

We throw on Naismith and Deulofeu as "impact subs".

Says a lot about why the Blues won’t get anywhere near the Champions League places this season.

I would like to see the youth movement continue. I hope Stones stays for his sake and the extra money he’ll most like bring next summer. Keeping Stones is not a likely long-term option. What the Blues will get for Stones will buy a quality centre-back and money to hopefully buy a player that actually has a chance to score 10+ goals.

Tom Bowers
164 Posted 24/08/2015 at 12:19:26
I have long given up on expecting to beat money teams like City. Sure, Everton will win one or two over the season but these squads have much more strength and class throughout to take what Everton have to offer.

Even when you think you are in with a shout, some lousy officiating does you in like the last RS game against Bournemouth.

We just have to go with what we have and hope to win a majority of the other games and perhaps a Derby match.

Dave Abrahams
165 Posted 24/08/2015 at 12:48:23
Tony (#143),

I can relate to what you are saying about the club and where we stand in the game. Like you, I have seen plenty of good times and can re-live them in my mind's eye... but what of today’s fans? What can they look forward to?

Not much in the way of honours; is this the best of what it is going to be like, season after season? Not much to look forward to in that, is there?

It might do you and me and older fans but my grandchildren and great grandchildren deserve to have at least some hope for the future.

As for the soul of the club, I sincerely hope my soul is not in Kenwright's hands.

Tom Bowers
166 Posted 24/08/2015 at 13:29:42
Anyone blaming Howard is an idiot.

He saved us from being at least 2 down in the first five minutes thanks to shoddy defending by others.

Everton’s defence is not very tight despite having Stones and Jagielka.

Daniel Lawrence
167 Posted 24/08/2015 at 13:40:57
We were well beaten, but City on form are a difference class to the rest of the league.
Still, if Lukaku were called Benteke and wearing red, we'd have been 1-0 up and then who knows what the result would have been!
Sam Hoare
168 Posted 24/08/2015 at 13:58:53
It’s unfortunate that, after a great performance against the Saints, we ran into the team playing the best football in the Premier League. Almost any other team I think we’d have got something if not 3 points from... but City were incredibly strong, both up front and at the back, and would probably have beaten any other Premier League team playing as they did yesterday.

We must rebound quickly and take something from Chelsea and Spurs, both of whom look more vulnerable than Man City at the moment.

Kunal Desai
169 Posted 24/08/2015 at 14:02:53
I think there are two significant ’moments’ in Martinez's tenure to remain as manager.

Firstly, the next 7 days are defining in the transfer market. He will need to get this spot on in whoever he brings in.

Secondly, these new recruits will play a part in how the next 7 games go. Failure to achieve a minimum of 9/10 points should be the end of him.

Colin Malone
170 Posted 24/08/2015 at 16:25:24
James McCarthy, I seen a couple of great forward balls, which caused danger for City. Lets see more forward balls Jimmy.
Dave Abrahams
171 Posted 24/08/2015 at 17:05:04
Tom (166) Howard might have saved us from being ten down, he was still responsible for the two goals, even an idiot can see that.
Terry McLavey
172 Posted 24/08/2015 at 17:06:10
Wasn’t it Roy Keane said most of the teams they beat at Old Trafford had lost before they had got on the pitch? Does the same theory work with "money" teams?

We had two players on the bench yesterday that will run at teams: Mirallss and Deulofeu, one not used and one given five minutes, correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t one of our better players Seamus who really shook them up? Who .....yes you’ve guessed it, ran at them.

Why do we kiss arse so much with these "big" teams? The present and the last manager are both guilty of this, in my opinion.

Paul Andrews
173 Posted 24/08/2015 at 17:29:27
Dave 171,

He is a decent shot stopper. He is also at least one mistake a game.

He should not have been beaten on his near post and hesitated when Nasri played the one-two, he should have been sharper off his line.

John Hughes
174 Posted 24/08/2015 at 17:54:17
Mirallas should have been on for Kone at the start of the 2nd half to run at City with pace. But I think if, as some say, Gareth Barry had moved to left-back the greedy one ex RS would have been too quick for him and we would have finished with 10 men; just a thought!
Mike Jones
175 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:31:49
City will win the League. There was a lot to be positive about... we won't play a team that good every week. We cannot compete; there just isn’t the financial muscle.
Darren Hind
176 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:44:05
How on earth could anybody fail to see the fear and the trepidation?

Last week we broke out of defence in numbers, pouring forward every time Southampton gave up the ball. Did anyone see any of that yesterday? We didn't dare against City. That's fear, that's trepidation.

The money argument doesn't stack up either, not given our record against them. We have beaten them often but only because we were prepared to come out of the trenches.

Toe to toe? Not even close, only one team were prepared to get forward in numbers yesterday

Kim Vivian
177 Posted 24/08/2015 at 20:08:38
#166-Tom Bowers - agreed.

I was in Lower Bullens so did not get a brilliant view of those goals. Couldn't believe the first one went in because of the angle and the second looked a bit of a shambles all round to be honest.

However, in defence of Howard on the first goal, (he should be anticipating. Anticipation is crucial all over the pitch), but who can honestly say they expected the shot rather than a cut back in to the 6 yard box from Kolarov. I reckon if Howard had saved the shot then Kolarov would have been getting a bit of stick from his mates who were waiting to score, and it was a well taken goal which fooled the keeper.

I reckon Howard was worth at least 1 if not 2 goals to us yesterday and if we had got something out of the game people would not be posting quite so critically. That's not all to say he's the best around but I believe he gets vilified far too much on here.

I travelled 4 hours to, 6 back from the game yesterday. A long old day for a couple of hours of football but that's being a proper Evertonian isn't it!

Shame about the result but not too disappointed really as at the end of the day that was the 2015/2016 Champions elect I reckon we were watching, and they were pretty sublime to be truthful. Some real talent in there.

I think we put up a pretty good showing on the day and I found it pretty encouraging actually. If that early goal had stood or Rom's free kick had clipped the bottom instead of the top of the bar I think they would have just gone up a gear and probably left with the points on the day but you never know.....

The only negative I got was the atmosphere. I guess it is a hangover from some of the stuff that was served up last year but Goodison did not feel like the intimidating gladiatorial cauldron for the opposition which I am used to. It may be that you don't quite get that feeling so much in the Bullens Road stand but compared to what I remember it was almost 'vacuous' at times.

However a few more performances like last week and efforts like this week I am sure the crowd will soon get it's voice back. Stones, Coleman, Barry M.O.M for me. Thought Galloway did ok under the circumstances against Navas. Always rated Navas but never realised quite what a handful he was.

If Everton don't win the league ("...some people say I'm a dreamer but I,m not the only one....") - I think I'd hope for city to do it. I do feel a little sorry for their more 'idiginous' fans, as it were, because City, like Chelsea have not really done it by themselves on their own merits. Must niggle at the back of their minds, that.

Bring on Barnsley - lets get the winning habit going again.

Steve Barr
179 Posted 25/08/2015 at 00:56:32
It’s a good job the likes of Swansea and Bournemouth (I’m sure there are many more clubs to mention over the years) didn’t lie down and accept their lot in the hierarchy of football.

No, they had visionaries who dared to dream above their station; they had a pair of bollocks and developed and implemented ambitious plans. As a result, they have achieved far more than Everton has over the past 16 years, in my opinion.

Swansea were down and out when Martinez played for them. A few guys pulled together and over the coming years appointed the right Chairman/Board and subsequent management (including Rodgers!) and implemented a plan and achieved Premier League status.

Since then, they have built a team that, to be honest, is probably better than us at the moment!

Look at Bournemouth. Good job they didn’t listen to the so called experts.

Relatively speaking, both have achieved far more than Everton has over this period, in my opinion. Boxing well above their weight in boxing parlance.

What they have achieved against the odds far exceeds our 20 years of mediocrity, no silverware, decaying stadium, pathetic marketing etc. I actually stepped in dog shit right outside the main entrance on my recent stadium tour visit... etc. Inexcusable by any standard.

Despite this, we have some on here telling us that we have no chance of breaking through the glass ceiling and we should really just sit back and accept that our board and management has served us well. "Accept our lot as journeymen" seems to be the call.

I don’t expect that we can win the Premier League title... but maybe a man/woman with a plan and vision can compete with the likes of Swansea and Bournemouth at the very least, and maybe with a Chelsea or a Man City?

Let’s aim for far more than is possible and maybe we’ll get somewhere.

Ernie Baywood
180 Posted 26/08/2015 at 04:04:17
Steve, I like the principle but in practice no club had the means to catch these teams.

The gap between the lower divisions and the premier League might be, I'm guessing, 100M. The step up to the top half maybe another 50-100M.

What do you reckon you need to challenge City and Chelsea? It goes well beyond anyone's commercial income. You're talking hundreds of millions. There's only one way to get that kind of money.

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