Rare Blues win eases pressure on Martinez

Everton scored early through Cleverley but almost immediately surrendered the lead in a fashion that was typical of the season; Baines eventually restoring the lead.

Michael Kenrick 30/04/2016 156comments  |  Jump to last

Muhamed Besic deputised at right back before being replaced by Tony Hibbert at half-time

Everton gave Matthew Pennington his Premier league debut in their penultimate home game of the 2015-16 season this weekend against Bournemouth, with £13.5M acquisition Oumar Niasse making his first start since joining the club three months ago.

Tim Howard returns as captain for the first of his two farewell games in front of the Goodison crowd, while Gibson again starts in place of the injured Gareth Barry. Coleman and Jagielka are also missing through injury while Ramiro Funes Mori is suspended.

Roberto Martinez is under great pressure from fans who have mostly had enough of his 'philosophy' and continually failed promises of 'jam tomorrow', but the Everton stewards are renowned for preventing banners within Goodison and clamping down on protests from the stands.

The visitors kicked off with Dan Gosling on the bench but Everton took possession and structured a couple of early attacks. Everton scored through Cleverley. He was found by Barkley following a neat bit of play down the left flank and, after taking a tidy first-touch to set himself, drilled a low, left-footed finish past Boruc and into the bottom corner.

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But Everton almost immediately surrendered the lead in a fashion that was typical of the season. Pennington was shirked off the ball by Wilson who slide a cross into the area. It was helped on by King to the unmarked Pugh who, at the back post, who had the simple task of slotting a finish past Howard. Not the best way to celebrate his farewell...

The game had the pace and intensity of an end-of-season affair, the crowd getting a little concerned in the bright sunshine as Blues attacks were at best uninspiring. Cleverley had another attempt that was well off target.

Niasse started to get more involved and some of passing looked good, some awful with a dreadful giveaway direct to the opposition that then led to a corner for Bournemouth, headed wide at the far post.

Barkley sprung into life thanks to some good work by Niasse but his shot was high. He almost got in on Boruc but the keeper was then out quickly.

Some poor corners from Cleverley didn't help the mood although Niasse came close to converting one with a flick. But most attention before half-time was for the sound of a plane overhead, and a banner trailed behind: "TIME TO GO ROBERTO NSNO".

A massive reception after the break for Tony Hibbert, coming on to replace Mo Besic, his first appearance in 16 months. He looked a little rusty in his first touch. At the other end, Niasse was doing a good impression of Lukaku watching the ball bounce past him.

There was a sudden burst of slick passing that took everyone by surprise, Gibson out to Lennon, Niasse to McCarthy, then in for Barkley but he could not take a shot. This at least led to some pressure on the Bournemouth goal but no clear chances being created and The Cherries were soon off the hook, Wilson running at the Baines.

King was given a lot of space but chose to shoot early, low and wide past Howard's post. Wilson was next to attack the Everton goal, getting off a good shot that Howard may have touched behind. Niasse was replaced by Lukaku on the hour.

Pennington did well to defend against Wilson but Ritchie picked up his clearance and was fouled by Gibson (Yellow card) for a dangerous free kick with Ritchie getting the ball over the wall and into the hands of Howard.

Straight up the other end, Barkley played Lennon in wide right and his bobbling cross looked to to have been missed by Cleverley but a superb left-foot strike from Baines coming in the left channel rocketed the ball into the roof of the Gwladys Street net.

That produced great relief and a much more lively tempo of play from the home side, with Tony Hibbert getting forward to great shouts of "SHOOT!!!", Barkley even setting him up for a shot that turned into more of a pass back to Boruc.

A couple of subs by Eddie Howie changed the largely one-way traffic, and a couple of half-chances almost saw another equalizer from the visitors, Stanilas and Afobe creating some danger but no goals.

Stones, who had been superb commanding the defence, strode out of defence and looked imperious with the ball at his feet, energizing things going forward, but he got pushed out to the corner flag and, although he kept possession, the impetus was lost by the time the ball found Barkley.

Wilson was always causing trouble and he pulled a brilliant cross back from the byeline right onto Afobe's head but somehow he missed an open goal. It was Wilson's final contribution; Grabban replacing him with 12 minutes left.

Stanislas looked to have beaten Hibbert to get a shot off but for a superb piece of work by the veteran Evertonian to chase back, slide in and block it, much appreciated by the Goodison crowd.

Past the 78-minute mark and no mass movement of fans to the exits in silent protest. Instead, a great reception for Kieran Dowell, replacing Barkley for the last 5 minutes or so. And he was keen to put pressure on a Boruc clearance. But the ball was soon down the Everton end, Ritchie striking the ball just wide.

Lukaku again was caught passively watching a ball bounce around him, totally incapable of making a decisive touch to control the ball, which wound up going back down the other end. Maddening from a supposed £50M striker.

Into 4 minutes of added time and each spell of Bournemouth possession caused consternation and panic for the Blues all round, two corners being given up. But the Blues kept their nerve a pulled off a much-needed win — their first in seven Premier League games, and a real rarity at Goodison Park this season.

At the end, a couple of "Martinez Out" banners but no mass protest at the incompetent management of Martinez, the pressure no doubt relieved by this rare home win.

As the crowd (and the targets of their protest) dispersed, a small group of Evertonians (50-200, estimates vary) remained in the Lower Gwladys, with banners and chants protesting the continuation of Roberto Martinez as manager.

Everton: Howard (C), Baines, Stones, Pennington, Besic (46' Hibbert), Gibson [Y:62'], McCarthy, Cleverley, Barkley (87' Dowell), Lennon, Niasse (60' Lukaku).
Subs not Used: Robles, Oviedo, Mirallas, Osman.

AFC Bournemouth: Boruc; Francis, Elphick, Cook, Daniels; Ritchie, Arter, Surman, Pugh (69' Stanislas); King (69' Afobe), Wilson (78' Grabban).
Subs not Used: Federici, Wiggins, Gosling, O'Kane.

Referee: Neil Swarbrick

Kick-off: 3pm

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Kerry Frahm
1 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:11:21
With Hibbert and Osman on the bench, good to see the young guys are getting a workout! Martinez gone today please!
Patrick Carty
2 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:18:15
WOW, a start for Niasse!
Paul Kossoff
3 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:27:49
3-3 written all over that team.... Martinez has definitely dropped Jags and Robles to the naughty step.
Roman Sidey
4 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:29:05
Not that it matters, and I'll probably eat my words when he puts in a good shift, but to pick Besic at RB again after last week is typical Martinez.
Steven Kendrew
5 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:32:01
Why no Hibbert at right back? Has M. not learnt his lesson from the Utd shambles in defence? Could then use Besic as midfield back up.
Will be interesting to watch Niasse finally!
Joe O'Brien
6 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:37:20
Exactly Kerry, nothing to play for and still ozzie and hibbert on the bench. The young lads flying Davis, Williams and Walsh should be on the bench if not starting . I mean sorry but why is Hibby still getting a spot. Good to see Niasse getting a start. Get those tennis balls hopping
Joe O'Brien
7 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:44:51
Is connelly injured?
Gary Preston
8 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:47:39
Deulofeu not even on the bench???
James Kirrane
9 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:48:49
Agree with you Roman. Square pegs in round holes. Is it so difficult to pick a right back at right back?? How much is this guy paid a year? Will be interesting to see what Niasse is made of.
Eddie Dunn
10 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:53:49
Could Pennington go to right back with Besic in the middle? It does seem mad to play Besic at right back after his 'mare at Wembley.
Eddie Dunn
11 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:54:51
Maybe Stones to right back with pennington and Besic in the middle.
Gary Reeves
12 Posted 30/04/2016 at 15:06:53
Whatever team he picked it would be labelled "typical Martinez" but for what it's worth here's my "typical Martinez" gripe; How does Barkley start today after stinking out Wembley?

Taxi please!

Barry McNally
13 Posted 30/04/2016 at 15:09:55
Niasse must have put in a phenomenal shift in training this week to go from not even in the squad to starting!
Patrick Carty
14 Posted 30/04/2016 at 15:13:01
Patrick Carty
15 Posted 30/04/2016 at 15:15:04
The minute I open my mouth about us scoring they score straight away, typical.
Barry Pearce
16 Posted 30/04/2016 at 15:24:13
Held the lead for two minutes.
Typical Everton I'm afraid.
David Cromwell
17 Posted 30/04/2016 at 15:50:46
I think tennis balls are not required after that. Just got a snapchat of a plane over Goodison with a banner calling for the end for Martinez!
Anto Byrne
18 Posted 30/04/2016 at 16:03:38
Niasse, finally... and he has good feet and a bit of pace, played a one-2 with Barkley but never got the return ball the lazy twat going for glory. Its a team game ffs. Where is Galloway and Connelly and when can we expect Dowell on? Get him on in the second half!!!!!

Time to Go Roberto NSNO. Bournemouth look bigger stronger and fitter? Tony Hibbert? Give me a break... please fuck off, Martinez.

Ron Marr
19 Posted 30/04/2016 at 16:06:53
The crowd boos and Kenwright claps at the halftime whistle. Plane banner says "Time to go Roberto NSNO" ...
Paul Curwen
20 Posted 30/04/2016 at 16:09:03
"Time to go Roberto NSNO" Banner flown over Goodison....

Bet Mr Kenwright went for a pie and missed it. :(

Terry Davies
21 Posted 30/04/2016 at 16:12:00
hibbert!!! Bloody speechless (sorry, writeless)
Terry Davies
22 Posted 30/04/2016 at 16:19:07
Surely by now he's thinking of taking off Niasse and bringing on Osman.

Oh, surprise, I was only half right

Christopher Marston
23 Posted 30/04/2016 at 16:34:46
Win these and he will never be sacked
Daniel Joseph
25 Posted 30/04/2016 at 16:45:17
Hibbo M.O.M. easily
Christopher Marston
26 Posted 30/04/2016 at 16:48:27
I feel sad that we're winning with a piss poor performance but cos we're winning he won't get sacked despite the performance being totally abject. Mediocrity!!!!
John Pickles
27 Posted 30/04/2016 at 16:56:08
Well, so much for Eddie Howe. His team can't even win away at Everton!
Ian Brandes
28 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:01:34
Relegation if he stays.
Paul Smith
29 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:07:38
We will get relegated if he stays. Earlier, he was saying, if our star players leave, we'll just buy more – he's clearly nuts.
Tony Twist
30 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:08:42
Everton season ticket holders really do need to find their voice as nothing will be done. A plane and banner make zero impression, what happened to the Goodison roar?!
Andy Thompson
32 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:13:18
This victory should certainly NOT ease the pressure on Martinez!!!

Sack him (ideally tonight) as relegation beckons if we stick this clown another season.

Kunal Desai
33 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:13:36
This win does not ease any pressure on Martinez as per the headline. If anything there were more banners out at the end of the game and the plane flying over Goodison at half time means the pressure should be greater than ever. Get out of our club Martinez!!!
Steve Guy
34 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:14:02
I have never understood how one result can ease the pressure as suggested by the header above. The Board should be looking at the whole season not just one match.

This man will relegate us if left in charge. Martinez out !!!!

Jim Bailey
35 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:14:48
Re your headline Michael.
No it doesn't and if it does then God help us
Get him out now!
Dave Jones
36 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:17:05
You're right, Tony. Apathy is contagious it seems. Boost for the old board though. No change. Time for another strategy.
Kunal Desai
37 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:18:00
You should re-word the headline Michael.
Steve Barr
38 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:20:45
The board should be looking the last two seasons.

There is no credible case for him remaining as far as the facts are concerned.

Shouldn't matter how nice he may be.

Chris Wilson
39 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:21:34
What nonsense did he say in his post-match propaganda?
Liam Wilson
40 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:23:04
Banner headline misleading. Should be "increases pressure".
Colin Hughes
41 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:27:53
Atmosphere at Goodison is dead, Club is dead.
Colin Glassar
42 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:27:59
He will be left to stumble on until the final game and then be allowed to ride off into the setting sun. We've got nothing to gain by sacking him now and I'm sure Moshiri is already drawing up his short list. I've decided Pellegrini is our best bet.
Brian Porter
43 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:28:57
A terrible performance against an equally awful team shouldn't do anything to ease the pressure on RM. Just wish the crowd had been a bit more vocal and sung Martinez get out of our club a few times during the game. BK and Moshiri would have been sipping their G & Ts in the directors lounge by the time the sit in took place.
Jay Wood
44 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:29:07
Who would've thunk it?

Finally, a player in the Everton defence today who:

* defaulted to his prime duty - ie, to defend.
* showed positional awareness of both where his own defenders were and where the opposition attackers were maurading.
* stepped in time and again to cleanly tackle, block or intercept the ball.
* once in possession, simply and crisply moved the ball on to more skillful players before settling back into his default position.

Take a bow, the much maligned, but also much loved, 35-year-old Tony ... Tony-Tony ... Tony-Tony ... Tony-Tony-Hibbert!

Steve Pugh
46 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:31:23
Obviously Hibbo only played 45 mins today but if he had played at Wembley....
Chris Wilson
47 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:32:53
Colin, Pellegrini would be the best fit, or just the one we're going to get? Mostly because he's available?
Gavin Johnson
48 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:33:05
A rare win that seemed to be more down to luck than design. There's nothing more to say..The game was anti climatic as were the protests.
Anthony Manning
49 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:33:35
There's a sit in demo going in the gwladys st right now
Kunal Desai
50 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:35:54
The silence from the club is deafening. Make a statement to us now about Martinez one way or another.
Tom Bowers
51 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:35:57
This scrappy win does nothing except ensure safety after a season of atrocious performances.
The Cherries were for a long time outplaying Everton in that abysmal first half by being hungrier and quicker to the ball.
This has been Everton's achilles heel this season.
In the middle of the park they are notably half a yard slower than most teams even though the midfielders who have played seem to be quite quick.
Closing down the opposition in that area has cost them dearly in many games and so any new manager has to bring in new players who are quicker and tackle better.
The current batch are just not good enough and so some have to be sold off otherwise it will be more of the same next season.
Martinez's aversion to changing the tactics has made it easy for others teams to compete against Everton particularly at Goodison.
Steavey Buckley
52 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:36:32
On today's performance, Bournemouth were better than Everton today, especially in the second half, when Everton were quite poor. But thankfully, Hibbert came on, and gave an exceptional defensive performance that saved Everton from not winning. So Hibbert is my MotM.

I would have liked young Dowell when he came on, to show more energy, especially closing players down when they tried play the ball out of defence. Because it is through making real effort that new younger players can get noticed and get to the pace of the game more quickly, as a good sign for future possible further selection.

Denis Richardson
53 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:36:32
Those applauding Hibbo should be asking how a 35-year-old fisherman and part-time footballer, who hasn't played in a senior game for almost 2 seasons, can be MotM... as well as looking miles better than any of our regular defenders.
Andy Meighan
54 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:36:42
Colin (#42), we've got everthing to gain by sacking him now. It'd give the whole place a lift and against Norwich we might get to see some football played, instead of all this tippy-tappy possession-based shite we've had to endure for two seasons. It's all getting a bit silly under this fella, I'm afraid.
Colin Glassar
55 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:37:20
Chris, if you look at his record in chile, Spain and with city (to a lesser degree perhaps) he has improved all of his teams beyond a shadow of a doubt.

He also must have excellent contacts in Latin America and Europe where we could find some top players. Some say he is an older version of Martinez but this guys teams know how to defend.

Denis Richardson
56 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:40:17
Pellegrini did a decent job at both Villarreal and Malaga when he was there. Both teams didn't have much money and he took them to the Champions League.
Dave Clark
57 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:41:25
As I've said before, from a source from within the club, I hear it's Mark Hughes. Another mediocre appointment. I give up!
David Edwards
58 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:42:34
Well - I feel very empty after today. The game and atmosphere was flat and nothing I saw has changed my mind that Martinez must go. A win should have cheered me up no end - but I fear it could have just given Roberto a life-line and another season for our club to stagnate even more.

I must stop believing that ToffeeWeb fully reflects the views of most Evertonians. A 95% out vote and several weeks of almost unanimous posts suggesting that change must happen. Yet today, we had our usual apathy, a few boos and jeers and some banners after the match - but mainly the 'sound of silence'. Why does our fan base accept this situation so apathetically. Have they been ground down so much that they are willing to accept mediocrity and a lack of vision.

Is this why Bill and the board have got away with it for so long? Is this why the Kirkby move almost happened? Is this why Moyes stayed on a couple of years too long when his mojo had clearly run out? I called it the 'Blue Kipper' effect - once, when that site still ran. That perpetually perky and optimistic view of the club - steeped in a British 'mustn't grumble' view provided we stay in the top flight. The RS don't accept this and even Arsenal fans don't seem to be either, despite consecutive top 4 finishes that we can only dream of.

Well done on the airplane protest - but no mass throwing of tennis balls or the waving of white hankies. No 78th minute mass walk out! We deserve all we get from Roberto next season.

Of course - it might be that changes may happen at the end of the season - but it will clearly not be the result of the well-reasoned posts on ToffeeWeb in recent weeks. I think I'll take a break from posting for a while - the ironing pile has started to build up in recent days. It's become quite phenomenal in size actually! Sigh.......

Jay Wood
59 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:42:46
Ehrm ... Dennis @ 53.

I rather think that is exactly the point I am making in my post @ 44.

Andrew W James
60 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:43:07
Agree on Pellegrini. He has a good track record. No manager is without fault. But he has enough about him to take us forward. My only hesitation is how astute he is in the market.....not always brought brilliantly for Citeh. But he is a class manager and no reason why he could nt get us challenging top four.
He would bring back hope as we all feel current situation is hopeless.
Alan Bodell
61 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:43:47
Lukaku came on thinking "I'll just show Niasse how it is"...

Please god, give us anything more than the £28m for this lazy lump and he's yours.

Colin Glassar
62 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:44:56
Wenger loyalists booing Wenger protesters at The Emirates. Unless fans unite as one, they just make fools of themselves.
Michael Kenrick
63 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:50:36
While I agree that the pressure should be ramped up on Martinez, I'm sorry but it's true that this win does ease the pressure on him.

If you don't believe that, then just imagine for one second exactly what these threads would look like if we had lost to Bournemouth this afternoon.

John Davies
64 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:56:15
Totally daft headline on this report. Of course this win doesn't ease the pressure on Martinez - and if it does then the club is in real trouble. A 2-1 win at home to Bournemouth is hardly the stuff of dreams is it? MARTINEZ OUT !
Matt Traynor
65 Posted 30/04/2016 at 17:59:29
David #58, over an hour after the game finished, there's still 40-50 fans protesting in the Lower Gwladys, according to radio reports.
Anto Byrne
66 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:01:20
Well done, Tony Hibbert, that was a nice swansong for him, as I really don't see the point of playing a 35-year-old when we have the likes of Connolly, Holgate, Pennington and Davies in the wings.

Young Dowell got a 10-minute cameo and Niasse got 45 minutes and is not a lone striker but seems to have a bit of pace, some nice close control and first touch. I saw a few things I liked so maybe next season with Pellegrini or Wenger – anyone but Martinez in charge.

Colin Glassar
67 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:04:11
Matt, but BK's speeding down to London in his Bentley and Moshiri is flying to Monaco in his private jet. Too little too late IMO.

Maybe with the Hillsborough tribute, perfectly executed by Chairman Bill, people felt it wasn't the right moment to be too boisterous.

Steve Brown
68 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:05:41
Dominic King ✔‎@DominicKing_DM
Martinez: 'My intention is to win games & be successful. 3 seasons gives me an understating of what is needed and Learn from mistakes'.

Unbelievable Jeff.

Mike Moore
70 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:06:36
This isn't meant to sound churlish or disrespectful, we as a club have showed complete class and understanding when it comes to Hillsborough and have been at the forefront to aide our neighbours. Why is it then we are so ponderous, slow and inept when it comes to matters on the pitch, the club is rotten, we have a chairman who is blind to all around him, blinkered, living in cloud cuckoo land, everything is rosy with his beloved Everton. Well It isn't Bill and if you cant see the ensuing mess we are in then god help us. We are rudderless, change is needed NOW, not just with the manager, but with the chairman and the board of directors. This is bar the most I've feared for our club in 38 years of watching them. Mr Moshiri you are the only hope we've got, let pray we see some action from him soon.
David Edwards
71 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:08:40
...and Matt....those 40-50 have my utter respect and support, as do all the regular posters on ToffeeWeb voicing their concerns. Sadly it is the many, many thousands who will never look beyond the OS and who won't see the logic in our arguments that Roberto must go now. Still...every revolution starts from a few true spirits - so I fully salute them.
Andrew Wayne
72 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:09:48
In the end it was all just typical Everton. No real protests, no banners and no tennis balls. The football match was a real end of term affair, lacklustre and lacking in spectacle. We did our best to throw away victory in a fashion that is all too familiar. Barkley particularly looked as though he would rather be somewhere else, I don't think I have seen such a half-hearted performance. Stones looked disinterested for large parts of the game and Rom ran around gamely enough when he came on but it was all a bit "meh". The best bits for me came from the old stager Tony Hibbert who was treated with the warmth he deserves and gave a lesson in tackling properly for those less committed. The flyover was greeted with polite applause but it was hardly barricade storming stuff. The watching Kenwright and Moshiri will have thought reports of supporter dissatisfaction over-egged and barring a caning in the next few games, I suspect Bobby will be in the dugout next season. I did think I heard/misheard on the radio on the way home in the post-match interview that he was asked what it felt like to be given the chance to carry on the work next year, but there was a lot of chatter in the car so I can't be sure - perhaps others heard?
Matt Traynor
73 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:10:20
Colin #67, I said on the forum during the JFT96 commemoration that we'd end up looking like twats now in the media with the protests.

The plane was fine, was picked up on - but I think it's exactly as you say - people thought it wasn't the right moment (jeez I sound like you know who).

But it's still getting coverage on 6-0-6, and I assume other news outlets, and I would be amazed if Boys Pen and Moshiri don't get to hear all about it.

Eugene Ruane
74 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:12:21
Another afternoon spent watching 100% uninspiring, directionless, clueless 'football.'

No talking, no leaders, second to 97% of second-balls, muscled off 95% of all shoulder to shoulders.

Pitiful desperate shite.

Two positives - 1) Lennon. 2) It was sunny.

Martinez/Kenwright/Elstone (and any of their mates) out!

Darryl Ritchie
75 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:12:39
Funny old game, that. If we were up against even a slightly better side, the outcome would've been different. Lots of mistakes, bad passes, that would've been capitalized on by more accomplished opposition.

Still, a win is a win. This season, a pretty rare thing indeed.

The silence from the board matched only by the silence from the stands. You could here the players talking to each other all game.

Roberto ball is still boring ball.

Barry Pearce
77 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:13:46
Please not mark Hughes. Were just keep treading water with him in charge. We must get the right man in. The club needs rebuilding from top to bottom. Hughes would IMO be a terrible appointment.
Paddy Howlin
78 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:14:54
Resigned to the fact that it looks like Martinez is going to be here come August. It's a terrifying thought, but if you don't sack the manager after the league season we have had, coupled with recent poor displays and the result in the Derby, it will never happen. I just don't understand the boards logic. Madness.
Mike Hughes
79 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:18:00
Anyone who thinks this win should ease the pressure on Martinez is severely myopic.

A 2-1 win at home to Bournemouth is fine on its own.
However, this was a relatively meaningless game towards the end of a miserable season. And it was hardly a thrashing was it?

We have nothing to really achieve this season other than 'top half' and if that's deemed a success or progress then we might as well pack up now.

Three games left and we're among a pack of also-rans still in the 40-odd point zone (with WBA, Bournemouth, Watford and Swansea).

Two seasons of decline provide the more realistic measure of Martinez the 'manager'.

If this clown stays beyond the end of this season then Big Nev's words about ambition and vision will never ring truer.

Sadly, I fear the worst.

The writing is on the wall - but some just can't see it because 'he's a nice man' / the so-called 'brand of beautiful (puke) football' and / or 'it's all the players' fault'.

Bill Gall
80 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:18:15
Steavey # 52 Give the boy a break, he did not come on until the
87th min, and was under instructions from his manager were to play.
Colin Glassar
81 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:25:08
Paddy, what makes you think he will still be here in August? BPB has probably kept him in a job so far with the understanding that he'll leave in the summer. That way everyone saves face and the media won't be around to ask difficult questions.
Phil Smith
82 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:26:26
Hibbo was my man of the match today! He was brilliant. Why didn't he start against Utd.?
Steve Woods
83 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:28:07

Great photo with Moshiri at the game.

David Edwards
84 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:28:20
Colin #67 - after those emotional scenes with the families on the pitch, there might be a bit of truth about the muted nature of the protests from many today - but can't shake off the feeling that today was a missed opportunity. As ever, it showed the real class we have as a club - despite having a bunch of clowns leading us.
Gary Jones
85 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:29:36
Radio Merseyside phone-in, claimed there approx 100 supporters who stayed behind after the game to demonstrate, sounded like more than a 100 to me!!!!!

Straight after the phone in was over, Power to the People was played. "Nice one"

Paddy Howlin
86 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:31:05
Colin, I just think that if they where going to sack him the perfect timing was immediately after the FA Cup Semi or a few days later. Letting it drag on, and with the inevitable club PR spin that will say it is only a minority want change based on today's after match protest (which I was part of btw), suggests to me the board will be happy to stick with Martinez. I hope I'm wrong and the change is made at the end of the season. However with Kenwright still part of the decision making process......
Steavey Buckley
87 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:31:07
Bill Gall, 80. It is important when a young player comes on, show lots of enthusiasm and energy. I noticed young Dowell casually walking away as the Bournemouth defenders broke. I put this blame on Martinez for not giving clear instructions. It maybe easier scoring 3 goals against players of the same age, but in the premier league, lots of effort is needed to get into the flow of the game. And that is where new debutantes will go wrong if not told beforehand.
Albert Jones
89 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:35:46
Niasse looked like our new puppy, 8 weeks old and just finding his feet, but, the puppy has more idea – by the way Roberto, he's not for sale!!
Brent Stephens
90 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:36:12
"Rare Blues win eases pressure on Martinez". Not sure it does at all. Is anybody who wanted him out before the game going to change their mind after it?
Tony Williams
91 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:41:23
I hope 3 points today doesn't get him off the hook.
Joe Clitherow
92 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:41:42
I think if we had played Hibbo last week we may well have been contemplating an FA Cup Final this week.

How can anyone with the slightest shred of knowledge about football (of which defending is half the job) think Mo Besic at RB was a more sensible choice than a vastly experienced RB who demonstrably can still defend and TACKLE? Sadly the Catalan Clown does know feck all about at least half of the game.

Martinez Out!!

Martin Mason
93 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:45:49
I think that the gooners have got it wrong and are a disrespectful lot. What Wenger has done for the club is little short of amazing especially helping to finance the loans needed to build the wonderful Emirates stadium by selling players that they could get good money for. He should be judged from now not over the last 12 years.
James Stewart
94 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:50:10
Eases nothing. Another poor performance by 2 awful teams, Bournmouth should have taken a point with the chances they squandered. The biggest pity was the lack of numbers protesting, make no mistake unless the fans become more vocal he won't be removed.
Jim Bennings
95 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:52:39
We won, we were shit, Bournemouth were the better team for most of it but are obviously limited quality wise.

That about sums the game up.

Not many players out there look like they are good enough for the next level and you would have to expect a decision on Martinez is imminent.

Howard...Had few things to actually do, most down to Bournemouth lacking cutting edge.

Besic...No good at right back, can never play in defence, an ok defensive midfielder nothing more.

Baines...Average apart from the goal which he took very very well..

Pennington...One scary first half moment aside he coped well and did nothing wrong.

Stones... Composed but the style of Bournemouth's play and strikers seemed to play into Stones hands.

Gibson... Average.

McCarthy...Worked hard but typically Macca creates nothing and rarely gets forward.

Cleverley...Nice finish for the first goal, hard work but think he is a bit limited at times certainly no left midfielder.

Lennon...Put a shift in, did well for the Baines goal but generally one of his quieter games.

Barkley...Little boy lost, holds the ball too long, seems to have lost the burst of pace he had of two seasons ago and still doesn't seemto kknow when to shoot and pass.

Niasse...One or two moments but to be honest just doesn't look like a Premier League footballer.
Even next season can't see him being more than a sub at best.

Jay Wood
96 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:53:41
Steavey Buckley @ 52 and 87.

Strewth Steavey, you're a tough task-master, calling out an 18-year-old, making his PL debut with just 3 minutes left on the clock, for lack of effort.

It would be harsh even if it were true, but it isn't. You obviously looked away when young Dowell chased 20-30 yards to close down a back pass to the keeper who had a dodgy moment as a result in clearing the ball.

It brought a cheer from the Street end. I guess you didn't join in the appreciation.

Don Alexander
97 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:57:20
The game was lacklustre on our part but Bournemouth, despite having better fitness, weren't up to much. Niasse looked lost.

It's mentioned on another thread but the incredible interview with Bobby Bullshit by Carragher really does sum up how phenomenally deluded Martinez is, even without his meaningless phrases;


Brent Stephens
98 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:01:09
" It maybe easier scoring 3 goals against players of the same age" - except Dowell is only 18 (?) playing in the U21s.
Brian Harrison
99 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:09:33
Nobody seems to have mentioned the 100 or so supporters who stayed behind with their Martinez out and time to go Bill banners. I came out of the ground a minute or two after the final whistle but Radio Merseyside were still in the stadium with Ronnie Goodlass reporting the fans chanting for Martinez to go.

Also one of the fans in the protest tweeted that Moshiri came down into the dugout to see what was happening.

I cant believe that the crowd had no Martinez out chants during the game.
But well done to the 100 or so protesters in Gwladys Street.
Brent Stephens
101 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:15:16
Interesting pic of Moshiri after the game walking by the pitch towards the Park End.
Phil Walling
102 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:19:11
My view has always been that Kenwright will want to stick with Martinez because he has bought into the Catalan's philosophy and genuinely believes it will pay off within the timescale of the revised contract granted the manager in 2014 ie. by 2019.

Additionally, Kenwright is a proud man and will not want to be seen shelling out millions of pounds in compensation under the gaze of his new investor.

However shrewd that investor may be, he bought all those shares on the sales spiel Kenwright put to him and, no doubt, that spiel included the assurance that the playing side was in good hands and was on the up and up. He will not wish to be disavowed of that assurance a mere three months after committing a small fortune to it.

All this points to the two men being of similar mind. They both WANT Martinez to succeed and as long as no relegation bells chime, they will continue to back him.

Whilst many are saying today's game was of no relevance, it did in fact , remove all mathematical possibility of Everton going down and, surprisingly, it may turn out to be the most significant in Roberto's career.

It does, therefore, in all probability mean that the great philosophy will move into its next phase with a raft of summer signings as we approach another Martinez season.

The only good side of this scenario is that, at least, we shall be spared the spectre of the second coming of Davey Moyes. Doddy can remain in retirement !

David Edwards
103 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:28:32
Just heard a very articulate Young Evertonian on 6-0-6 expressing his view that it is time for a change. Well done, lad!
Brian Harrison
104 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:29:00

Despite BK maybe wanting to stand by RM the fans will make it almost impossible for that to happen. I think with the tribute to the Hillsborough families, many may have felt uneasy about protesting. But the fans who stayed to protest will be swayed with thousands more at the Norwich game. They will want to leave BK and FM in no doubt to the feeling of the vast majority of fans that want Martinez out.

Even BK will not swim against the emotions of the match going fans.

I always say that players and managers should never go back, but if you offered me a straight choice between Moyes and the charlatan then no contest.

Jay Wood
105 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:30:12
Brian @ 99.

Not trying to be sarky, but ... if you were at the game, why didn't you try to start a Martinez out chant if you feel (as you evidently do) it is needed?

That you didn't and nor did the vast bulk of attendees is not necessarily indicative of indifference or lack of popular support to the 'Martinez Out' movement.

In your and the crowd's defence, this match on the heels of the Hillsborough verdict and the tribute paid to that before KO and in the match day program, possibly dampened any intended more vocal protest than was delivered.

The JFT96 campaign is something very close to the hearts and families of the city of Liverpool which cuts across the red-blue divide. Considerable grief runs deep for many still and this emotion possibly curtailed a more vociferous protest.

That said, if RM is still in place and no announcement about his position and the protests remain muted in the final home game (and customary lap of 'honour' - cough!) against Norwich, then the match going faithful are either of a different mindset to Blues who post on Everton forums, or Blue Militancy is something of a myth.

Jay Wood
106 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:35:48
Back again Brain!

Just seen in the time I wrote my previous post you acknowledged the same as me, namely:

"I think with the tribute to the Hillsborough families, many may have felt uneasy about protesting."

I'm of the same opinion as you when you say "Despite BK maybe wanting to stand by RM the fans will make it almost impossible for that to happen."

I think RM's position is now untenable unless the board want to risk an even more toxic Goodison next season.

Andy Crooks
107 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:36:08
Good post, Jay # 44. Apart from that, this was truely desperate stuff. Another shameful effort from the worst coach in our history and, in my view, one of the worst coaches ever to have been employed in the premier league. He is totally fucking useless. It is time for him to be shown mercy and put out of his misery. He has not the dignity , class or integrity to resign.He is an embarassment.

Mark Lewis
108 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:46:45
Sorry if a win against an already safe Bournemouth saves his job then I give up.
Martin Mason
109 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:49:10
I'm disgusted at Everton using the PA system to drown out legitimate protest after the game and for banning banners. It seems they are extremely rattled and also that they have no intention of sacking Martinez. Protest would have massively strengthened their hand if they were going to do so.
Phil Walling
110 Posted 30/04/2016 at 19:57:02
Jay, I know you have no time for my views, or indeed of any other supporter who thinks differently to you. But you speak as a guy who goes to every game and intend to really make your voice heard at the final match.

Well,I hope you will be in good voice and that the Board will take more notice of you than they have done of some very well organized protests in the past. But you will, of course, be aware that whilst playing to full houses they couldn't give a flying fart. 'It's always the same rabble rousers,' they probably say, and then just carry on doing what they choose to do.

I don't believe ANY of the Board members wish to part company with Martinez and it will take more than a noisy minority at games - and you and me on busy keyboards to change their stance.

Ron Marr
111 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:08:44
I'm convinced that Kenwright will stick with Martinez until Everton are relegated, at which point Martinez will leave because he doesn't want to manage in the Championship.
At the end of the game Kenwright was clapping and Woods had his hands in his coat pockets with a grim look on his face. I suppose he could have had gas.
Mike Moore
112 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:15:23
#107, Andy I couldn't agree with you more mate
Martin Mason
113 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:17:03
Phil is correct, until they see ranks of empty seats fans will have no influence on what the board does. Will we leave the seats empty? No we won't so Martinez stays and we all get bitter. The answer? Stop complaining and stop buying.
Tony Hill
114 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:21:55
Martin (113), I admire and applaud those who protested today but it is absolutely right that non-attendance is the only effective way for us. I did not go today and will not until he is dismissed, though I am and have long been a season ticket holder.
Allan Board
115 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:25:57
Just stop going to the games, for Christ's sake!
Dan Davies
116 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:27:30
Martin (#109), agreed on that, we're meant to be the "People's Club". The supporters should have their voice heard regardless of what the protest is about.

Turning the PA up to drown them out speaks volumes about the way the club is run at the moment and gives away I think what Kenwright really thinks about your average EFC supporter.

The way he's conducted himself lately with all the 'What a manager' shite is two fingers to anyone who dares to question his authority. I had some respect for Kenwright but that is slowly disappearing as time goes by.

Martin Mason
117 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:30:03
Correct Tony, you can always watch the game on TV or live streaming. Your action is far more powerful than posting a rant on here.
Jay Wood
118 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:40:10
Phil @ 110.

You are so wrong on so many counts. Let me clarify.

"I know you have no time for my views, or indeed of any other supporter who thinks differently to you."

On the first clause you will not be aware, but in private exchanges with TW editors I have spoken up in your DEFENSE and right to have your alternative opinions aired on this forum. This was more than a year ago.

I said I enjoyed your maverick postings and sang-froid nature in that you don't resort to character assasination or personal insults (in spite of some extremely abusive posts aimed at you) as other posters are inclined to do.

Seek confirmation from Lyndon of this, if you disbelieve me.

As for the second clause, I clearly have time for the views of others as I engage with you and other posters, reading alternative views closely before responding myself.

Have I been abusive to you Phil? No, I haven't. I have simply not subscribed to some beliefs you hold and explained to you why not.

Don't confuse me expressing an alternative opinion to another's stated position as being intolerant of other views contrary to my own.

I admit, I do roll my eyes at posters (as you are trying to do here...) who rather than engage in debate play the 'victim' card and who are resentful of any questioning of their own position.

As for your next point, sadly, I am no longer a match goer (being an exile like yourself) and have stated as such on these very pages. I have never made claims otherwise. I really can't follow what you are trying to imply here.

Finally, your 'protest is futile' line. That may well be the case Phil.

However, your (reitereated) belief that you "don't believe ANY of the board members wish to part company with Martinez and it will take more than a noisy minority at games to change their stance" is mere speculation on your part.

You have zero proof to support such a claim. Keep repeating it parrot fashion all you like. It doesn't make it any truer with the 100th repitition than it did the first time you posted the same.

Unlike yourself I have NOT made explicit claims as to the thinking or mindset of any of our club custodians, other than to say how Moshri deals with the question of Roberto Martinez's position at the club will greatly inform us of his ambitions and intentions.

Clear enough for you?

Martin Mason
119 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:44:56
Jay, this is a board for Everton fans not pedants. Stop taking yourself so seriously.
Mike Berry
120 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:50:24
Aside from the generally poor play and Martinez. Wasn't it good to see Hibbo. MOM for me, SHOOOOT
Jay Wood
121 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:56:59
Martin Mason!

Lecturing others not to be pedants!!

Advising others not to take themselves so seriously!!!

Oh the irony!

If this is a board for Everton fans, what's your reason for posting on here?

Aren't you the one who BEFORE the Chelsea quarter final that you wanted Everton to lose every game for the rest of the season to guarantee RM's dismissal?

How has that worked out for you Martin?

I'm curious ... just how do you square you well-documented sycophantic praise of BK with your hoped-for scenario, RM's dismissal?

Hasn't Bill only ever put the best interests of the club first, above all else?

Which is it Martin? Are you wrong about Bill? Or are you wrong about Roberto's prowess as a manager?

Sniffed at by Martin Mason! What did Denis Healey once say about Geoffrey Howe, "like being savaged by a dead sheep..."

Stroll on, Martin. Stroll on.

Timothy Blanshard
122 Posted 30/04/2016 at 21:02:48
Maybe it's wishful thinking by me but hopefully after the protests and banner today it will be enough for BK to pull the plug on Roberto, if not explain to the fans why not.

He's clearly not the man to take us forward, the only reason Bobby brown shoes is hurting is because he's been found out. He has of late started contradicting himself even more, 'these next two games are defining moments for me as a manager', battered by a Liverpool side who have a manager who's been with them less than a season, 'our squad is too big, our squad is too small'. When he first joined us,'I know I can get results despite having a tight budget and I can work within that', 'at Everton we have the 9th highest budget in the premier league'.

Today I didn't expect us to win so to celebrate I'm going to have an extra sugar in my coffee, somebody stop me.

Andy Crooks
123 Posted 30/04/2016 at 21:19:54
Michael (#63), that is the most pertinent post on this thread. I want us to win every game but, and it is a huge but I, honest to God, would have taken a loss today to have seen Martinez gone. This is a quiet thread after a lamentable performance.

Liverpool supporters would not tolerate the hapless Martinez at Anfield. I ask you, Michael, to denounce him and the chairman.

David Donnellan
124 Posted 30/04/2016 at 21:25:32
A bit of a dead rubber of a game, nice to win but I've not got the same glow I would normally have after a victory from times gone by. A typical nothing to play for game for both sides.

Nice to see another young lad get his debut, hard to judge him on three plus minutes, should have got at least 10/15 mins to show what he can do.

Barkley always frustrates me, he clearly has oodles of talent & sometimes when he gets it right, he is a class act. However too often he is let down by his decision making, he will get his foot on the ball glide along & drawing in opposing players, which allows his team mates to run into acres of space all over the pitch & too often he ignores them & ends up losing the ball or giving it away. Other times he will be on the edge of the area & you will be willing him to shoot & he will try an intricate pass which isn't really on. For me decision making is his biggest weakness.

Overall a win is a win, but nothing to get too excited about after a very disappointing season.

Christopher Marston
125 Posted 30/04/2016 at 21:31:13
This is all bull shit! He HASTO GO
Mike McLoughlin
126 Posted 30/04/2016 at 21:38:59
Watched the game today and have to say I was totally underwhelmed. There is no spark, energy, gusto or whatever you want to call it. The passing is so pedestrian and far from accurate. The team just didn't seem up for it.

I actually thought Bournemouth were poor and if we didn't beat them today we really are relegation fodder. I thought Howard did okay although he was never asked many questions. Bainsey I thought had a decent game and he took the goal well.

Pennington was solid but thought he should have been right on the Bournemouth player instead of protesting to the ref. He lost vital yards there. I thought Stones was pretty good and thought he at least showed some urgency in the game.

Besic was lost, but Hibbo did a decent job when he came on. Gibson played okay without coming up to Barry's standard. McCarthy was his usual busy self but, as previously pointed out, doesn't offer anything going forward. I just wish Lennon would stay on the wing and ping them across into the box. I thought Cleverley was poor as was Barkley.

I thought Niasse, like Lukaku, looked isolated but I thought he made some intelligent passes but also some naive in others. I can't believe this is the same team who played some great football early in the season. I don't see any resemblance of that team here.

Andrew Presly
127 Posted 30/04/2016 at 22:05:48
For him to stay in post after the Wednesday before last tells you all you need to know about Everton as is. We'll all be back in August. We have to be.
Andy Ellis
128 Posted 30/04/2016 at 22:17:24
Andrew 127, spot on, last week was the most shameful performance I have ever seen from an Everton team in my 50 years on earth. Enough said.
Andy Hegan
129 Posted 30/04/2016 at 22:36:53
Paul Smith @ 29.
Whether or not you were joking you are the only other person I've known to say he's nuts.
I've been saying it for two years now.
I strongly believe that within 5 years this will be taken seriously and it will be acknowledged that he's a sick man.
Tony Dove
130 Posted 30/04/2016 at 22:46:09
Hibbert and Howard? The Club is just a very bad joke at the moment.
Funny Farm not Finch Farm .
Damian Wilde
131 Posted 30/04/2016 at 22:48:57
Andy, I'm a clinical psychologist and I think he is a cognitively rigid man who needs perfection to help meet unmet psychological needs, which unfortunately for our sake means trying to reach a level to play like Barcelona. They play a certain way and he will not deviate from this until they reach this level.

Of course it is completely 'unrealistic'. It's a punishing ritual, which maybe stems from him not reaching a level he wanted to during his playing days and so he strives for it during management. Of course anyone who gets in the way feels like a 'threat' so natural safety instinct is to get rid (to protect himself) – as Distin, Eto'o, Garbutt, and Mirallas have found out.

Barry Jones
132 Posted 30/04/2016 at 22:59:27
Kenwright will not sack Martinez. He will be here next season. we are stuck with Dumb and Dumber.
Jon Cox
133 Posted 30/04/2016 at 23:15:23
Just think, a footballer who plays in defence who can defend.

Well done Hibbo, you can bow out of your profession, as far as I'm concerned with your head held high.

I'd also have you in the starting line up for England in a few months time.

Football is not all about attacking and non contact,

No-matter what sky and Talksquit says.

Tony you played great today my son!!

Ian Brandes
134 Posted 30/04/2016 at 23:21:56
Let us just pretend for a second that I am Moshiri, a self made billionaire. I have just spent millions and millions acquiring a football club in total disarray with a hopeless manager, and a seriously ill chairman , whose utterances may be more down to medication than logic.

So what do I say when the chairman says ' We should give the manager another season' and then this catastrophe of a football manager says 'Can I have lots of dosh to bring in new players, given my heroic, and successful forays into the transfer market?'

Perhaps I just nod, and smile, knowing these clowns are going to bring this club , my huge investment, to its knees. Then, in July, I bring in the new manager, and engineer a token but powerless position as 'Honorary President' for the outgoing Chairman.

Surely this must happen, or am I missing something, like a brain?

Phil Walling
135 Posted 30/04/2016 at 23:25:15
Whether or not the Board as the governing body continues to support the Martinez philosophy can only be judged on their actions or, I fear, non action in the matter.

IF there is a split of views, I don't think it is as between Kenwright and the Mosh lobby. Make of that what you will.

Jon Cox
136 Posted 30/04/2016 at 23:29:30
Damian Wilde,

My partner in conversation said to me that she thought that I was "pretentious"

Of course I answered her "What Moi"

Dave Lynch
137 Posted 30/04/2016 at 23:29:45
Put bluntly...

The board are fuckwits and so is Moshiri if he lets Martinez off the hook.

Paul Smith
138 Posted 30/04/2016 at 23:35:12
Good shout Damian

His unwillingness to face up to his own defects and shortcomings leads to an offloading of responsibility on to who ever - fans, players, even other systems.

His rigid even punishing adherence to his philosophy, even when all the evidence would suggest it's failing is bordering on narcissism. Abit of self honesty and introspection he might come back a better manager.

Just not at Everton.

Tony Byrne
139 Posted 30/04/2016 at 23:38:17
Damian 131,

You have nailed it 150% for me.

To listen to El nut job in his press conferences, going back to last season when things started going tits up,up until his interview with Carragher yesterday,your theory stands up all day long!

Was it just me or did anybody else get the feeling that Carragher (in his questioning),was kinda taking the piss out of RM? Or just confirming to a wider audience what us Evertonians have been onto for the last 2 seasons?

I gave up on Martinez last season, I just could not sit and watch anymore of that slow paced pass pass pass bollocks,coupled with his post match interviews, give me strength! I deplore anybody insulting people's intelligence – especially when you know (as clear as day) what you have just witnessed.

I applaud everybody at the game today who protested, I have so much respect for each & everyone of you, personally (& I know this has been mentioned above) the best ever way is to stay away & vote with your feet.

Up the blues.

Paul Smith
140 Posted 30/04/2016 at 23:50:41
I've got a ticket for Leicester next week I'm going for the atmosphere and to show some solidarity with beleaguered blues.

I live in Pompey don't drive so it'll be an early train and late home. Still love Everton long after Kenwright has gone.

BTW, I can't abide Martinez but it was Bill who told him he was good enough to be Everton manager.

Laurie Hartley
141 Posted 01/05/2016 at 00:18:48
Steve # 83 - what a link! I am surprised that your post hasn't drawn more attention.
Barry Jones
142 Posted 01/05/2016 at 00:22:42
Dan #116, I agree entirely with you about Kenwright. He has no respect for the fans. His total disregard has been highlighted lately by: "What a manager", pushing the phone in the face of the young supporter. Trying to drown the protesters with the music.

These are only the visible signs. Imagine what he must be saying behind closed doors. Kenwright is disgusting.

Tony Byrne
143 Posted 01/05/2016 at 00:47:05
Barry 142,

My sentiments exactly,it makes you wonder where RM get's his arrogance from! 2 delusional clowns with the same mind set.It is a frightening combination.

Surely Moshiri will make some important decisions soon.

James Flynn
144 Posted 30/04/2016 at 00:51:54
Kunal (50 - "The silence from the club is deafening."


The silence from the Club is encouraging.

Ron Marr
145 Posted 01/05/2016 at 01:12:48
Steve 83 great photo (thanks Laurie for pointing it out). Check out the photo folks :-)

Link to game photo with Mr Morishi

Dennis Ng
146 Posted 01/05/2016 at 01:32:06
Steve 83, good for you. I want Simeone LOL
John Daley
147 Posted 01/05/2016 at 02:02:13
Damian @131,

I myself am not a clinical psychologist. However, I have previously sported a suit that some very pissed up tart projectile vomited tikka masala all over until it resembled something Madds Mickelson might rock in 'Hannibal', and I've also sunk enough whiskey that the wife has started to look a little like a weirdly deformed Wendigo.

With that in mind, my own take on Martinez is that he's a stubborn twat tethered to a philosophy pony that pulled up lame a long time ago. Rather than listen to repeated pleas from bystanders to simply cave in it's skull with a bat and go catch the fucking bus instead, he'd rather stay rooted where he is, whispering sweet nothing's up it's arse in the mistaken belief the poor bastard is bound to make a miraculous recovery sooner or later. He's 'The Horse Shit Whisperer', if you will.

Personally, I think it's something of a leap to suggest unmet playing ambitions (let's not forget he was actually a defensive player in his day) lie behind his strict adherence to one idealised 'style'. It's just as likely to be a simple byproduct of his footballing upbringing, hailing as he does from Belaguer in Catalonia with Barcelona being it's closest club, and the fact he long ago backed himself into a corner by repeatedly waxing lyrical in public about how he would never, ever betray his beliefs, win, lose or draw.

If he is indeed a man who can only ever be satisfied by attaining perfection, as you suggest, then surely he wouldn't be so quick to shrug off repeated errors and dropped bollocks from the boys he elects to send out on the pitch week after week, nor would he neglect to work on certain fundamental areas that can effect both performances and results, such as set-pieces, defensive shape and physical fitness.

Ron Marr
148 Posted 01/05/2016 at 02:05:02
'The Horse Shit Whisperer' Hilarious!
James Byrne
150 Posted 01/05/2016 at 04:11:29
The recent interview with big Nev nailed a few things for me about this club and the heart of the problem.

We've got zero ambition. We've not had any real ambition for years and that is a fundamental flaw in our DNA; fuck me that needs to change because I actually think we've got used to being utter shite. To a point we've accepted this shite standard of expectation. For the record buying big name players doesn't always show ambition.

Martinez came to us and made a statement that we would get into the Champions League and all that sounded great.

Ranieri went to Leicester and became part of a club that had been planning to win this league years ago. The Chairman was up for it and he installed that belief into his manager and the manager into the players.

This club needs a shake down and we need to see the entire board thrown out with the Manager right behind them. We need a proper clear out, not only to get rid of the existing hierarchy but a step change in the whole psychology of the club and the way we think.

Laurie Hartley
151 Posted 01/05/2016 at 08:06:37
Steve # 83 (cc: Ron #145)

Sometimes people get so caught up in a discussion that they miss what is right in front of of them so -

Can I ask you a few questions regarding your link to the Twitter photo:

Is that bloke with his arm over the shoulder of the other bloke holding the "we want Mourinho" sign Farad Moshiri ? ;)

Was the photo taken in the directors box before, during or after the Bournemouth game?

Is the bloke holding the "we want Mourinho" sign you?

If not who is it?

Who took the photo?

Darren Hind
152 Posted 01/05/2016 at 10:30:20
Why would anyone suggest the headline is misleading?

It's not even contestable.

When Martinez is given the vote of confidence (which he will), people will begin to realise the futility of banners in the sky, sit-ins after the game, social media protests and forum anger.

"The jury" has not given the thumbs down and until they do... he's staying.

Damian Wilde

An interesting view of the manager from a psychological perspective.

Personally I just think he's crap, a second rater who cant be arsed to do his job properly.

If he's a perfectionist, Nigel Farage is a diplomat.

Damian Wilde
153 Posted 01/05/2016 at 11:36:53
Jon (136) ha ha nice one :D

Paul (138) some good points. He is quite narcissistic and like you point out has many defences (psychological not football!) e.g. 'It's the ref, the fans, the players, lack of money...'

Tony (139) cheers. I'm the same yoo, was fed up with him last season and cannot stand the slow passing game.

John (147) some good points. To sum up in in nob-psychological terms, he is 'mad'.

Christy Ring
155 Posted 01/05/2016 at 12:08:15
Looking at the game yesterday, nothing has changed – lacklustre performance, absolutely clueless – and it's unbelievable that Kenwright can watch this crap.

It tells me he doesn't give two fucks about his beloved blues or what the fans think. He is every bit as arrogant as Martinez, and no better than our former dickhead, Peter Johnson.

Geoff Williams
157 Posted 01/05/2016 at 13:13:06
Thought Hibbert played well in his final (?) appearance for the club, a great club man and true Evertonian. I wish Howard well and thank him for his contribution to the cause over the years, shame he stayed 3 years too long and tarnished his reputation as a goalkeeper.

If Naiase is our future we are doomed. Who was responsible for signing him. He is a non league player at best.

Nicholas Ryan
158 Posted 01/05/2016 at 13:53:14
Tony Hibbert was MOM. That's not emotion or sarcasm, that's a [probably] indisputable fact. Why? because he is a Defender who gave an exhibition of the [forgotten] art of DEFENDING.

He is 35, yet his tackles were almost all perfectly timed. He knows instinctively, when to go in, and when to hold off. There is nothing flash, just good old-fashioned competence and grit.

Stones went marauding forward, because he knew the Door was firmly closed behind him. Hibbo is probably too old to play every week, but a bit of stiffening the backbone might have helped earlier in the season. Nobody is laughing at Wes Morgan and Robert Huth now, are they?!

I was despairing over Niasse, until he showed a couple of touches that suggested there might, just might, be something there next season.

I think many fans are misreading the Board badly. My view is, that they have already decided Martinez is going; I suspect it was a condition of Moshiri buying in. However, I think he has allowed himself to be persuaded by BK that the axe should fall in the summer, when RM can leave with a little more dignity.

I do not believe for one second, that Moshiri is going to give RM another chance.

Damian Wilde
160 Posted 01/05/2016 at 15:12:59
Thing is Nicholas is that the uncertainty is annoying fans, the board need to make a statement. I hope you're right though.

I have a ST, but will not go the game again under RM, I will not be there against Norwich, I'm going to vote with my feet, do it!

As for Hibbo, he played welk, but it shows our smsll club mentality that a player who was finished years ago is still getting into our first team. I actually laughed when I saw him come on, we're a joke.

Simon Bates
161 Posted 01/05/2016 at 15:15:05
Trending on skysports.com right now: "Martinez talking nonsense".

The article appears to mostly centre on his pre match interview yesterday, however the fact he has been "called out" on sky's nationally watched Sunday supplement can only mean another nail in the coffin, can't it?

Colin Malone
162 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:31:46
I've watched great midfielders, eg, Reidy, Hoddle, Souness, Gerrard to name a few. I call it the main cog in the engine, the player who runs the show.

We have a player who is a complete waste of time who is in the position of the names above. Yes, James McCarthy, has been a complete waste of time:

Box-to-box player? No.
Always wanting the ball? No, never.
Creative? No.
Is it James's Fault? No.

As in Barkley's positional play and Lukaku"s laziness to come from an offside position, it's bad coaching and bad team set-up. Would James be more suited to a 4-5-1 formation? We will never know while Roberto is in charge but, in my opinion, a 4-5-1 would suit James McCarthy.

Roger Helm
163 Posted 01/05/2016 at 20:56:20
Surely someone like Mr Moshiri, with his knowledge of business and of football, and with no connection to Everton, wouldn't invest so much money if he didn't think he could add value to his investment - which has to involve a new coach.

Because these days it is all about the coach, with all the clubs being so rich. Those with a progressive coach like West Ham, Spurs, Liverpool and Leicester do well while those stuck with one playing a style of football five years out of date -us - underachieve.

So I can't believe he will allow Martinez to stay, though perhaps it just wishful thinking on my part.

Steve Woods
164 Posted 01/05/2016 at 21:37:33
Laurie (#151),

Yes it is Farhad Moshiri with his arm over the shoulder.

I don't know at what stage of the proceedings it was taken. The photo is not of me (holding the sign).

I found the photo via twitter and it looks as though the guy who made the twitter posting (Phil) is the guy in the photo with Moshiri. I have no idea who took the photo but I would imagine it would have been a mate as obviously it was a set up.

Laurie Hartley
165 Posted 01/05/2016 at 22:59:00
Thanks Steve # 164 - I am surprised it hasn't caused - set up or not.
Paul Burns
166 Posted 02/05/2016 at 15:37:45
The result yesterday was meaningless. Everton FC need a whole new philosophy, the only thing that counts is winning, games and trophies. No more false loyalty to players, no sentiment, no references to meaningless drivel like the People's Club or the School of Science.

Winning cups and titles is the only thing that matters and it's been far, far too long that the club has been professionally competent enough to even come close and it's got to change. Everything about the whole philosophy of the club has to change to be fit for the 21st century because it isn't now and hasn't been for decades.

Paul Cherrington
167 Posted 03/05/2016 at 09:49:18
If a 2-1 win at home to a team like Bournemouth is deemed good enough to save the manager's job, we might as well all go home. We should be playing them off the park and winning 3-0 or 4-0 – not scrapping home a narrow victory.

It's not like we played well either – same problems of no energy, no bite, poor passing etc etc... still remain. Make no mistake – we are in a relegation battle next season with this idiot in charge.

I just don't know how the board can't see that. I know they obviously don't care about what we think but surely they care about staying in the Premier League, even if only for financial reasons.

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