Martinez: 'Pure anger' at officiating in Chelsea draw

What gets me is when you get to the knockout stages of the Champions League, the pundits think they are speaking for every neutral supporter in the country telling us that "it will be great for the Premier League if there's an English winner ".

Why would any self respecting neutral, a fan of anyone other than one of these teams, want the cheating, horrible, sickening odious behaviour and referee loving teams to win the Champions League??

I want Barcelona, Paris St Germain and Dynamo Kiev to all prevail in their ties with our loveable English compatriots.

Stick them all.

"Since 28 November, Everton have dropped a league-high 11 points from leading positions in nine Premier League games."

That would have put in us 4th place.

The actual tactics worked very well but the second Chelsea goal took a big deflection and the 3rd was offside.Tactics cannot be blamed for players errors and I reckon Martinez is being blamed unjustly.

Plaudits for Hiddink for agreeing with Martinez over the Chelsea equalizer in added time.He is one of very few managers who are wholly honest. Most pretend not to see things.

Even the Germans have had their corruption scandals regarding game fixing and now Der Kaiser Franz looks like the next major figure to fall.

Anything short of an extreme overhaul, we won’t get there because the current board is just, well, static. Can the Americans make up their mind yet? If not, next buyer please!

Poor reffing throughout the game – lots of rough stuff, which was ignored.

All in all though, we just ain’t streetwise! Mugs... all season.

It's a trend now, the expected result is a draw or loss. We can not win a game in the league no matter who or where we are playing. Our defensive record this season is shocking and that is not down to the refs.

Wise up, Bobby. If not for yourself but for the fans, especially the ones who follow our club all over the country.

I've just timed each second half stoppage: total of 11.00 minutes!
Goal 1 min
Sub 30 secs
Goal 1 min 10 secs
Goal 30 secs
Goal and sub 1 min
Injury 3 mins 50 secs
Subs 1 min 40 secs
Goal and yellow 1 min 20 secs

And their 3rd goal stopped play for 60 secs
Game ends 99 mins but should have gone on another couple of minutes - time for us to score.

On 1 January 2015 Jones awarded Liverpool two disputed penalties in a 2–2 draw with Leicester City. Liverpool's first penalty was given for a handball against Wes Morgan, though replays showed the ball clearly struck Morgan in the face.

In October 2009 Jones infamously allowed to stand a bizarre goal scored by Darren Bent for Sunderland against Liverpool. Bent’s shot at goal took a deflection off a beach ball which had been thrown onto the pitch by a fan in the Liverpool supporters’ section. Under the Laws of the Game, the beach ball should have been considered an "outside agent" and Jones should have disallowed the goal and awarded a drop-ball. He was subsequently demoted for one week to officiate a match in the Football League Championship.

In October 2013 Jones was required to act upon another bizarre incident where a goal was apparently scored under controversial circumstances. In the final moments of a Premier League game between Norwich City and Cardiff City which was to end 0–0, Cardiff’s goalkeeper David Marshall had put the ball out of play to allow Norwich’s Alexander Tettey to receive treatment from a physio. Ricky van Wolfswinkel took the subsequent throw for Norwich and his teammate Leroy Fer tapped the ball into the net as Marshall looked on. The apparent goal, which sparked a brawl on the pitch, was disallowed by Jones who stated he had not blown his whistle to restart play. Cardiff’s manager Malky Mackay praised the official’s decision.

In late 2014 Jones was the subject of controversy following Southampton’s 3–0 defeat to Manchester City, during which he failed to award City a penalty for a foul on Sergio Aguero, instead booking the striker for diving. The following weekend, Jones officiated a Championship match between Wolverhampton Wanderers and Bournemouth. During that match, he made a number of debatable decisions, including dismissing Wolves’ Rajiv van La Parra after a clash of heads with Bournemouth defender Steve Cook, and incorrectly awarding Bournemouth a corner which led to the visitors scoring the winning goal. Van La Parra’s red card was subsequently rescinded, and Jones was dropped from the refereeing roster for the next week’s fixtures.

That being said, I don't think there was too much we could do today. The ref was determined to keep playing until they scored, and the linesmen was completely incompetent. He needs to book himself an appointment at Specsavers next week.

Oh yea? Or perhaps he was just a homer!!

Since when do referees take orders from managers on the sidelines? Hiddink is a cheating poppy-seed smoking big time Charlie who only works short term yet he’s controlling a referee’s final decision.

Chelsea have to have the most odious cheating bunch playing for them and managing them from high levels, Costa is a disgusting low person and I don’t forget the behaviour of that Ivanovic last season strangling McCarthy and getting away with it.

It's that bad that even the Redshite have more stomach-able players since Gerrard and Suarez left.

1 win in 10;
6 in 22 this season;
18 in 60 this season and last.

A criminal under-performance in my view and Martinez is the criminal mastermind behind it all.

He would have been sacked by any of the clubs we supposedly aspire to compete with.

We have quality in 8 out of the 11 players on that pitch today. Another manager with an ounce of cop on would have parked the bus and tried to catch them on the break. On three occasions today we should have closed out the game.

Unfortunately they all have something in common. They have never won anything. Great servants they are, and have been. I am beginning to wonder if they ever will. Would love to be proved wrong, especially as we are only one game away from a Wembley final. Funes Mori did good when Jags was out, most on here wanted Robles to keep his place, young lad that stood in for Baines did okay.

Is it time for change? OK, these youngsters have never won anything, but probably more important, have never lost anything. Or are we as fans, destined, like some of the players, to become perennial losers?

1) Stones is not a great defender, yes he’s great at walking the ball out but he’s not a great defender end of!

And

2) He’s unlikely to ever get better at defending working under Roberto Martinez, let's be honest.

So I ask you this, we are happy to snub £40 million that could go on varied team building just to see a guy walk the ball out of defence but at the end of it plays in a defence that just seeps goals like there’s no tomorrow.

Howard let them back into the game but Martinez will blame the ref for pissing away another lead. If they knew how to defend it wouldn't be an issue.

Why can't Martinez see a pattern emerging?

Chelsea were very poor. Only Willian looked interested. At 2-0 down they were finished. Then Howard gifts them a goal and suddenly their heads were up and they were sharper and then our lead is gone.

Then at the end, in the last minute and a goal up, the ball is cleared to Deulofeu on the wing. Does he pass to a white shirt? Does he get his body in the way and draw a foul? No, he tries a fancy flick and turn, loses the ball and Chelsea equalise.

We would be in the top four if we had a proper keeper and a manager not too up himself to sneer about seeing games out.

Absolutely ridiculous statement, Roberto. And as mentioned above, it's galling that we had possession in the 98th minute, we lose the ball, out for a Chelsea throw-in, allowing the joke of a decision that would transpire a few seconds later.

0-0 at half time then after 56 minutes you are 2-0 up, after 66 minutes it’s 2-2...

It's amateurish at the very best, especially after we did the exact same thing against Bournemouth in November and effectively threw the Stoke game away in a similar manner.

Where are the lessons learned? I can’t be arsed anymore!!

If he said that then that's it for me. Points win prizes and his inability to be pragmatic means he'll win nothing. Moyes would get more from this team.

Everton have been brilliant this season in their style of attacking play but so horrendous in defence; today, we slaughtered the Chavs and our naiveity let us down from getting 3 points.

Now whether that is the players' fault or the management/coaching fault remains to be seen. But we where robbed of a win today by a referee and a linesman's inability to define what is and what isn't offside.

I thought Mirallas did well today and it could be the time to give Geri a break and let him come on with 20 mins left against tired legs. Baines also had his best game since he came back so there the positives. When McCarthy is fit I would like to see him with Besic in midfield and give Barry a break to see if the younger legs can protect the back four better.

We must be the neutrals favourite team this season as all our games are classics I just wished we had won a few more of them. I think Bobby needs to look for a better defensive coach than Dennis Lawrence because were conceding far too many goals this season.

The same happened at Bournemouth. We celebrated as if we won the league or less superior than Chelsea! A complete lack of control. When we scored, I sat there thinking "Don’t celebrate – remember Bournemouth."

The goal Chelsea scored at the death was offside but sadly we were the away team. Some you get some you don’t. The team should never put themselves in that position.

This season will be the "what could have been." As a team and manager, lessons are not being learnt. The league table dosen't lie and goals conceded is typical of Martinez’s style of play. Exciting? yes, a worry? yes, will continue? yes.

Mr Martinez, please don’t make the offside goal cover the cracks. The players lack concentration at important moments. Thank goodness we can score two or three a game or we would be in real messy stuff!

I do worry when former players such as the former player (Hammer / Spurs) Sky says things like "Results aren’t important, after all it’s the entertainment industry and I love watching Roberto’s team" so would I, if I didn’t care about the points or lack of them.

BTW, Howard might have decided he had no choice but to come out a little late on the first goal to stop Jags from having to pull down Costa and take a red and a PK. Jags initially seemed to have it under control, so Howard wouldn't come out, nor would any eeper other than Lloris maybe. If Howard causes the ball to go wide or deflected sideways , it is brilliant, if not, it is a goal. But how did our defense get beaten by a long ball and where was Stones again?

What must you all be saying about Chelsea's keeper? Isn't he equally as poor having "gifted" three goals or was those just brilliant plays by us?

Conceding two goals in 10 minutes... Really need to sort the defence out... The board really needs to dig their hands out their pockets...

So come on Mr Abramovich dig your hands out of your pockets...

I’m not going to defend our inability to hang onto leads and undeniably poor defending, nevertheless today was a bit of a sickener given that one goal was clearly offside and another a massive deflection!

And credit where it’s due for some more great attacking play!

When he stays on his line he doesn't move and when he comes out he usually over shoots the mark. He's too slow and his reactions are shit, in short he's finished and an utter liability. Chelsea wouldn't have got back into the game without that blunder.

I’ve been supporting Everton for 60 years and have seen my fair share of travesties going against Everton by bad officiating and today was just so typical. Only Everton would fall afoul of 7 minutes injury time turning into 8 minutes and an offside goal robbing them of 2 points.

I would have the referee and linesman struck off the league register. Having said that, what is RM going to do about the defensive side of Everton’s game? Oh, I forgot, they don’t have a defensive side!

The Linesman must have thought that Jags had headed the ball into Terry’s path, but if he wasn’t certain he should have raised his flag, that’s the action they take on handball’s etc.

Spot on, it’s too easy to blame the keeper but the defence are crap, especially Stones, who thinks he is Bobby Moore. £20 mill would do us.

But that's where we are and that's where we will stay, or worse. It's Roberto-managed teams' NORMAL position and it will remain so unless someone bites the bullet and admits their mistake and gets rid of Roberto.

Would you and the rest of the people on here complaining about bad and biased refereeing like to comment on the Stones incident at Man City on Wednesday?

Was it a definite penalty or a good refereeing decision?

The one goal to blame on our defensive capability yesterday was the Jags and Tim fiasco. That was very poor and nothing to do with Martinez's setup etc. Just two experienced pros messing up (time for a change of GK etc).

Deflections happen and an offside goal that we set up correctly to defend as it was offside and should not have stood was not Martinez's fault, defensive frailties, set-up, mindset etc.

Les, be fair to the manager and the players.

What about the Stoke penalty? What about Baines being taken out on the edge of the Man City 18-yard-box before their penalty claim?

The truth is that officials are generally very poor these days and it isn’t going to change. As a team, we must stop putting ourselves in the position the officials are able to make stupid decisions. How many chances did we have to clear the ball before Chelsea scored the third goal? Oscar, one of the smallest on the pitch, won the last one.

On a positive, how many times have we complained about watching utter boring shite, even when winning games under Moyes. At least it is entertaining now, even if frustrating with points won.

Martinez is building a lovely young squad that is admired and has amazing potential. To score 3 away to Chelsea would have been a dream for a number of years.

Our top players are being talked about by Barcelona and Real Madrid and some are calling our manager incompetent or taken us as far as he can, etc... We are still on a journey and if we lose two or three stars then the manager will replace with more talent and have the financial ammunition from sales to do so...

Please show a little more context of the journey we are on and see the great assets we have – not in small measure due to the policy of the Chairman and The Manager.

The rest of the season looks really promising... I can still carry on dreaming.

COYB!’s

6 wins in 22 league games with this squad is criminal and the Manager has to be under the spotlight.

He actually blamed Howard for all three of their goals, but like you I don’t think he could have done much about the deflection. I hear you have been a coach yourself Jim, and although I don’t know much about keeping goal, surely a goalkeeper should be judged on the saves he doesn’t have to make, if you know what I mean?

Our plan was to block off the centre of the pitch with Barry and Besic never too far apart, the latter with one eye on Willian. This left the wings completely exposed and we were peppered with countless uncontested crosses which kept us on the edge all afternoon. In all my years I’ve never seen us play so narrow. Eventually it caused Fabregas to drop deep and hit us with high balls over the top.

This time we didn’t wait for the fans to invade the pitch. We invaded them. A South American celebration with 7 minutes to go and all focus out of the window. Crazy days indeed.

A needless Mirallas foul in the middle of the pitch brought Terry forward for the free-kick and he stayed there. These things happen when your luck is out. Mirallas was meant to come off but we pulled Barkley off instead... Unbelievable. I think they call it Serendipity – or is it Murphy’s Law?

Sounds like Williams talking to Han in "Enter the Dragon" when asked about losing. "When it comes, I won’t even notice; I’ll be too busy looking good." Then Han beat the shit out of him.

RM doesn’t seem to realise that this is PROFESSIONAL football. They are playing for money and the more matches you win the more money and trophies you get. It is not cowardly to close down a game when you two up. It is PROFESSIONAL.

Did he think it was cowardly to play for a draw at City? No. He thought we were "resilient". The man is totally inconsistent. The fact is that we defend as long as the score is 0-0 but the moment that changes all defensive discipline is abandoned and we go on all out attack even if we are well ahead. He has to get rid of this ridiculous notion or we’ll get rid of him and bring in a professional manager.

Everton supporters want a winning team not Barcelona on the Mersey. If playing ugly secures the points so be it. Because if he wants to get Everton into the top four (next season; this season is screwed) then he had better learn this lesson. Time to grow up.

Our starting defence yesterday (Howard, Oviedo, Stones, Jagielka and Baines) were all there when Martinez arrived. These were guys who were apparently superbly drilled by the former regime. Throw Seamus into that and that’s a defence he inherited. A defence that has played for years together.

So what’s gone wrong? Has he told them not to do the basics? Has he told them not to jump? Not to tackle or clear their lines? Why do these guys who’ve spent years together sometimes appear to be complete strangers? These are questions I’d love someone at the club would answer.

100% correct. And I’ve stated as much since he was appointed / before his first game in charge.

I was open minded but underwhelmed by his appointment. Now just underwhelmed.

Get a grip and stop slating players or manager and save it for the board.

Ian @ 77 "Therefore Martinez is responsible for the first Chelsea goal". That is some jump in your reasoning process although you will probably receive some support for your stance.

He was asked after the game if we have a problem defending leads, his answer: ’No. We are a young team. Sometimes you need to go through these experiences to develop that knowhow.’

He’s clearly hoping that if says it enough we’ll start believing it!

The trouble is Bobby, Everton fans aren’t stupid and a cursory glance at the league table exposes this bollocks you continue to pedal.

If our issues are due to young players needing to develop knowhow, please explain why Spurs, who have the youngest team in the league, sit well placed for a title push, have one of the best defensive records in the league, and don’t continually throw away leads?

If it were simply to do with youth, you would expect Spurs to be experiencing similar problems to our own.

The fact is, though, Spurs aren’t having any of the issues we are and that’s because it has bugger all to do with age and everything to do with how the respective managers manage and set up their teams.

So fucking sort it, Bobby, because hearing the same shit from you week after week is becoming very very tiresome and that’s from someone who likes you!!

Tony, Martinez can account for two senior internationals messing up: (1) because he persistently picks the one in goal when most people can see that he is a liability; and (2) The same sort of mistakes are happening with alarming regularity, week-in and week-out, and he has failed to eradicate them in training because his ’values’ and ’beliefs’ don’t see anything wrong with it happening.

Whilst the 3rd goal was offside, how were Chelsea in a position to get the ball up there that late in the game in the first place? (1) Because our Spanish wonderkid got caught on the half-way line trying fancy skills to beat a man instead of hitting it into the corner and (2) the team then failed with 3 headers in a short space of time to get the ball away.

Again, things like this happen regularly directly because of the manager’s philosophy. The sloppy, casual failure to see out games, week after week, has seen us drop 9 points since the end of November alone.

My point is related to Howard who has been very poor all season with numerous costly mistakes. Despite this, Martinez continues to play him so therefore he has to take some responsibility for that player's subsequent mistakes.

That's 6 crucial decisions that have gone against us this season that have directly influenced the outcome of the game. Make Saturday 7 and by my calculations we should be 10 points better off by decisions being called correctly. And before you say it Dermot Gallagher has called each one of these incorrect on review of the incident.

In contrast to that decisions that have gone in our favour include-
1. A possible penalty to Bournemouth.
2. Barkley's indiscretions vs Liverpool
3. (If you believe West Ham fans), McCarthy's challenge on Payet - not my call as I think it was a good tackle.
4. Penalty vs Man City.

4 calls in our favour and the 2 (possible) sending off incidents are up for debate anyway. This would amount to 3 points lost. That's a difference of 3 calls against us this season amounting to a possible points difference of 7.

I know these are "ifs" and "buts" but people say they even out over the season so I'm testing that theory by keeping track. Before you say it as well I'd have rather the refs done their job properly over the last two games as we'd be a point better off now.

The people that keep going back to the penalty incident vs Man City need to look at the bigger picture over the course of the season.

I dare say that supporters of every club in the country could talk all day about awful decisions that have gone against their teams, these are the ones that tend to stand out. What they all have in common is that they are all now irrelevant. The point I was and am trying to make is, rather than blaming poor decisions, which happen in all games, and always will, I'd prefer to concentrate on some of the things that led up to their second, equaliser which have resulted in us coming away with two points from three games after scoring nine goals.

Firstly, their equaliser was definitely offside, as their manager readily admitted. Now as an Everton supporter I watched us, after lots of hard graft and no little skill, drag ourselves back into a lead we thoroughly deserved. Then, because of a lack of professional nous on behalf of our scorer, he then launches himself into the crowd allowing the ref to add on extra minutes to those already accumulated for the injury to Oviado (not much learned from Bournemouth, 2 points lost).

We then know from the kick off Chelsea are going to throw the kitchen sink at us so instead of playing this great possession football RM keeps talking about and keeping the ball in their half, we then have the sight of the golden Spanish boy hoofing the ball upfield knowing full well it's coming straight back (obviously learned at Barca).

From there the ball comes at us the good old English aerial root, (didn't see that coming did we?) and not one, not two, but three successive headers are won by their forwards in our box (more brilliant defence to go with the Jagielka/Howard debacle and the own goal that brought them level), with the ball finally ending up at the feet of Mr Terry...

I wish these officials would be more like our players and stop making mistakes that keep costing us games
(Bournemouth, Stoke, Chelsea). Those seven points would have been invaluable... bloody refs!!!

No-one's perfect not even Mourhino or Wenger just that they have more experience at a higher level.

The best managers surround themselves with the best people. What about Moyes as an assistant manager?

That was the turning point of the whole game. We were never the same after that cock-up.

We all know we have dropped 11 from winning positions because we keep getting told so it would be an interesting counterpoint. Any stattos out there got this?

Watford (h); rescued a point;
WBA (a); rescued 3 points after being 2-0 down.
Liverpool (h); rescued a point after going behind.
Sunderland (h); 2-2 to 6-2, so two points gained.
West Ham (a); 1-0 down rescued a point.
Same against Palace (h).

Nine points if we’re counting the Sunderland game as a rescue mission, which it oughn’t to have needed.

Interesting. Not sure what it tells me though except that we have spunked 1 more than we have clawed back. It would be interesting to see the same stats for all prem teams and how it tallies with league position and stuff... or something.

But don't worry - I do not expect you to trawl that up for me, Pat.