Dreadful Everton slump to eighth home defeat

Let’s dispense with this manager asap and get someone in with quality who knows how to organise a team and stoke a fire in their bellies. Martinez Out!

Dead right. Get shut now. I just cannot see any plausable reason why he shouldn’t be booted out right now.

Just pack your bags in May and adios.

It got beyond a joke a while back. I’m afraid, FA Cup or not, we need to shake hands with this management and say goodbye in June. They struggle to set our team up, they fail to motivate our players on days like this, it looks like there are fitness issues, they make substitution howlers and there’s no Plan B.

The depressing thing is we might actually finish 15th which is just ridiculous when your striker is one of the most prolific strikers in the League and you have a centre midfielder in double figures.

This cannot go on, we are going from being the neutrals' team to watch to being a laughing stock.

Today was utterly pathetic... hopefully the new majority shareholder will have realised we need a change.

Or are the players (best squad since 87) equally... if not more to blame?

Fucking horrible whatever the answer.

Sound familiar??

Yes it’s Everton Football Club under Roberto Martinez.

Never can I remember seeing an Everton team, no matter how limited or decimated the playing staff has been, surrender home advantage the way this shower has this past 2 years.

Martinez is being kept in a job due to the Cup run papering over massive cracks in the foundations.

There’s no way I’d trust this man with any kind of serious millions, regardless of how much is available this summer.

Martinez is a pathetic excuse for a Premier League manager, I’m sorry it may seem harsh but you can’t defend inept performances like today, but today at Goodison is nothing new, it’s been literally dreadful all season, not much better last.

In fact the Club should consider refunding fans who paid good money to buy a ticket for that shite.

Even if we somehow were to win the Cup, which knowing this Club, I still don’t think we will, Martinez position should be in serious jeopardy come the summer.

He’s not up to it.

His teams are soft, have no substance, are weak, very disorganised, & are awful without the ball. Every senior defender at the club has gone backwards.

If he was mutually consented in the summer he & his coaching staff would not find top flight employment. He has some good qualities, but he needs to rethink his approach as it is fundamentally flawed. To do this he needs to step down a division or two.

I think the course of action that we need to take in the summer is fairly apparent or we will be stepping down divisions with him.

The Drifters Perform At Goodison!

We heard from some pundits before the game that Arsenal would be there for the taking. As it was, they barely needed to play above half-pace to outclass our lot in every department. The best part of the afternoon was the performance from the Drifters.

I hope our new money man does not trust this man with his millions because he will blow the lot for sure. The guy couldn't manage a Sunday league team – never mind a Premier League one.

He looked very concerned in the after-match interview. Beaten today by a very lively Arsenal team who played on Wednesday against one of the best teams in the world and had ten times more energy than we had.

We need to be more ruthless with our managerial appointments from now on. Martinez has had quite long enough in the job now and it's time for change. Leicester nearly relegated one year, top of the league the next – all down one man, the manager. Just goes to show what a difference a good manager makes.

We have a talented squad but the man in charge doesn't know how to manage our organise it. A mass clear out needed in the summer with players. Hopefully a change of manager as well. Martinez is fucking braindead. Enough is enough. Only because of our away form, we would be in the bottom 3. Simply not good enough.

Men at the top have been happy with mid table dross over the years. Hopefully this man will be more ambitious and a lot more ruthless. We need it and demand it.

To all the players who didn't turn up today which was pretty much all of you, donate a week's wages to Sport Relief as an apology to the supporters you let down again, and Martinez – you should donate a year's worth.

Martinez Out!!!

Cup win or not, I still don’t see him being sacked.

People earn things in life. This 3rd season was earned by Martinez by his excellent 1st and despite his 2nd.

He’s reaped what he’s sown and, evidently, it’s a field full of shit.

We’re not heartless bastards, we’re not a ’sacking club’... but we have to get rid.

The players look clueless and adrift and in that they reflect this awful manager and his awful backroom staff.

The Cup is great fun but there are deep problems at this club and Mr Moshiri is our only serious hope. That must mean the swift departures of Kenwright and Martinez.

They could have had 4 or 5.

2-0 at half-time and he brings on a centre-half. He has to go in the close season.

Too much Guinness after St Patrick’s.

There is an old saying ’It is wise to execute a non-performer from time to time to encourage the others’. That's what the owner needs to do. In the tunnel after the next loss.

Phenomenal preparation of the players by Martinez. What’s that now –- incredible second half of the season.... Oh hang on, the players are up for a strong finish in the last third of the season... Oh wait a minute I meant to say the last last 10 games we will be incredible again... Oh well, we will be phenomenal next season.

"New manager? What... do you mean me? We are going to be exceptional soon."

The fact that he will receive compensation for the work he has put in is beyond a joke.

Joel Robles.. Done nothing wrong since coming in, still think we need a top quality goalkeeper, a number 1.

Seamus Coleman... Nowhere near the standard he was at under Moyes and in Martinez first season.

Leighton Baines... Read Seamus Coleman, looks past his best year’s under Moyes, corners are shocking.

Ramiro Funes Mori... Pretty ok but needs men around him helping, giving out orders.

Phil Jagielka... The best outright defender we have, but time is against him.

Muhamed Besic... What the hell happened today?. Was he fit?.
Could have a decent future, don’t think he’s as great as many say but he has time to get better.

James McCarthy... Works hard but offers next to nothing going forward ,passing bog standard, hasn’t looked the same player as he once did two years ago.

Tom Cleverley... Tries hard, decent touch but not really top quality, not going to be good enough as a starter if we are really wanting to push the top clubs. Never a left midfielder either, Martinez doing the same with Cleverley as Moyes did with Osman, square peg.

Aaron Lennon... Didn’t happen for him today but he’s been one of the few bright spots over the last 12 months. Works so hard.

Ross Barkley... A talented player but lacks vital ingredients to make him a better player, spacial awareness is poor, plays the game in his own world with his head down, and perhaps most importantly, he seriously lacks desire and just doesn’t have that fire in the belly that the likes of Rooney had at a younger age.

Romelu Lukaku... Had absolutely no service today, it was embarrassing how isolated he was. His goals have kept us out of a certain relegation battle; he won’t be here next season.

Lest we forget, this is a team that lost at home to Watford last weekend, they are not world-beaters, but they looked it against our insipid display.

Martinez must be gone as soon as this season ends, his time is up.

Unfortunately today had the smell of terminal decline written all over it. It will take a major transformation in attitudes for this squad to lift itself out of the current malaise at home. I am thankful we only have three more games to endure at what used to be a fortress.

I’ll get my coat!

At least Moshiri saw the Martinez shambles today. Cup semi or not: fire him now. It's embarrassing.

As said above, the highlight of today was the Drifters... hoping Martinez joins and drifts off into the sunset.

If this manager is here next season, we are bound to drop to the Championship while Martinez will move on to another club to try his way – the only way of playing.

Surly the new owner will not take the results this clown has had... three seasons and it gets worse. Bill with his "What a manager" after the Chelsea game... where was he before that one and where is he now? Doubtful he will be shown with his arm around him, unless it’s his neck!!

Worryingly with three home games to go even if we won all three it would the be the lowest home points tally ever achieved in our history (assuming 3 points for a win) That includes seasons when we only played ten home games!

We have now lost 10 of our last 18 PL home games. Bizarrely our away record is the thing keeping us afloat.

Today was the worst of the lot, literally not a single redeeming feature. Flat, lifeless and error-strewn. Besic had one of the worst games I’ve witnessed in an Everton shirt. I suspect the calls to make him captain are a tad premature.

Any manager worth his salt would be bringing them in on their day off tomorrow and letting them know that performances like today are unacceptable. Can’t see it somehow.

This sideways passing is bullshit. Bring back Fellaini and start going direct when Plan A fails.

Rubbish!

Agreed!!

It's almost as if he thinks that we don't need to win in the first two thirds of the season. We should play for THREE points every game we play, that should be our only incentive, and that is how he should prepare his players, to win at every price. Anything else is not good enough.

I have lost faith in him since a couple of months, and I really hope he gets replaced in the summer. But I also hope that we go on to win the FA Cup. RM seems to be good at motivating the players in those games. We should be safe in the Premier League now, so we should go all in for the cup, and then sack him after the season. He simply isn't good enough to make us competitive in the league.

I think Eddie Howe would be an interesting man for the job, but I doubt Moshiri will go for such a low-profile manager, with such little experience. But he's done really well with Bournemouth, has an interesting managerial style, and is of course one of us! :-)

Amazing what a manager with intelligence and team that has work ethic and togetherness can do.

Although it was hilarious having to watch Cleverley having to go inside on his right foot to cross when it was obvious he was out of position on the left when he could not cross with his left foot as Lukaku was waiting for an age for him to cross.

Everton clearly need a goalkeeper who can save Everton on occasions. Robles went down too early to give Welbeck an easy goal and then was easily beaten for their second at the near post.

Everton were also very kind to their goalkeeper after he was injured, so left him alone, instead of standing next to him when there was an Everton corner. Or just another sign Everton are headless chickens who can’t see an opportunity when going begging?

What a disgraceful return that really is.

4 wins since we beat Aston Villa on November 20th.

We really are an embarrassment really aren’t we?

The wins we have registered since September:

Aston Villa (twice)
Newcastle (twice)
Sunderland
Stoke

Going back to last season.

4 wins from the last 18

10... TEN defeats from the last 18

Disgraceful, so so lucky is Martinez to still be managing this club.

"This is just to be expected from the players now in the Premier League when we have nothing to play for, so this performance was to be expected."

No! I have nothing more to say.

Too many times this season, we look like the away team at home. I think this was the worst performance this season, we barely left our own half. If Martinez has any self-respect, he would walk today. It looks like he’s lost the dressing room after that display.

For all those calling for Martinez to be sacked now, I’m sorry but what exactly would that achieve??? We’ve got a massive game in five weeks and I for one couldn’t give a toss about the Premier League as long as they win two games and win the cup.

Sacking the manager (and I’m not a fan of him) would only unsettle everyone at the club. Surely a trophy gives the man time? I just pray we do it!!

I wasn't at the game but it sounded like we were as bad as when Man Utd visited earlier in the season. Why would Lukaku stick around for this nonsense???

Winning the cup is a non-starter if we play like that, and who says we can lift ourselves again? I wouldn’t bet on it. That can be the only thing saving RM.

If they win the semi-final, it won’t be because of anything Martinez has done but just plain luck on the day that the opposition has a poor game. We need to get some credibility before that and Martinez doesn’t have the charisma to do that.

My old man is getting on in years and still knows his footy after being brought up on both great, average and poor Everton teams and players. I asked him about Barkley last week and his reply was.

"You can have all the talent in the world, lad, but you can’t coach gormlessness out of a fella."

Now, I think, would be a good time for a new coach to take over. The season isn’t over yet and we can at least rescue a little pride and passion into this squad.

I’ve never commented on here before, so for me to do so means I’m very concerned by this clueless, naïve and very dangerous so-called manager who could very easily take us down next season. I’ve been thru a lot of ups and downs at this club for over 40 years, so I think I know a little bit about being an Evertonian.

Only Villa have won less home games.

No one has conceded more home goals than us.

We have lost less away games than anyone else but this is largely down to drawing the most games away from home, not winning them.

We need a new man, and quick.

This team won’t win a trophy, it will choke when it matters most at Wembley because that’s the mentality here.

It’s all well and good people saying why should we fear Watford, Crystal Palace, Manchester United and West Ham but hey, why the hell would they fear us either????

We are nearer to 14th than 8th now.

And no, a trophy shouldn’t buy him more time, his weekly performance levels and disorganisation of the football team are now tiresome and embarrassing.

I was never a massive Moyes fan but at least we finished most seasons with a strong proud home record despite limited resources most of that time.

This past 18 months has been dreadful under Martinez. Goodison Park has represented a glorified training session for most visiting teams this season.

Sack him now. Kenwright should never have appointed the phoney, but it ain’t Kenwright’s first cock-up, is it?

Not another season.

Please let it happen, the FA Cup is nothing compared to beating teams week upon week.

Interesting that after the umpteenth insipid performance at Goodison this season, Martinez is now telling us it’s not acceptable.

Funny what a new major shareholder can do........

For the benefit of us exiles, what are these rumours circulating about a lined-up replacement?

This manager should have been sacked 12 months ago, yes, but for our so-called players to treat our fans with such disdain is a bloody disgrace and unforgiveable. I’d run this lot till their arses were hanging out – and make them do it all again the day after. It stinks of mediocrity at Everton FC.

Bullshit if you ask me – or the press would be all over it.

I had a tit-for-tat with Graham Mockford after the Chelsea match, basically saying Martinez would return to type and he should be run out. Graham didn’t agree... Well, Graham, what says you after that?

8 home losses and counting. Still plenty of time left for Bobby to get us into double figures.

He has to go at the end of this season now, surely.

This is Martinez in a nutshell:
INSANITY - DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS.

Clueless?

Pitiful?

Absolutely, but as I have suggested in recent weeks, no point in making yourself ill about something you can't change.

The last two (PL) home games have been perfect in illustrating (to me) that the problems we have can't be changed by swapping this feller for that feller or playing three across the back with four across..wherever blah waffle.

So what are these problems?

Well there are many small ones, but many of those could be fixed if you fix the main two.

Which are..

1) Mental weakness throughout - switching off, lack of concentration (which affects passing, which affects possession, which affects marking, everything.)

Combined with..

2) A total lack of leadership on the park (let's take it as read that there's a lack of effective leadership off the park). I began to realise there was a problem when I found myself shouting 'fucking man on!!' because our players weren't.

So two massive problems and (coincidentally) I see only two solutions.

1) RM is replaced by someone with a very different way of doing things. Someone who understands that a solid, mean, well-drilled, hard, fit-as-fuck defence with is where you begin to build a side, as this gives confidence to everyone else. And someone who understands footballers (generally) are uncomplicated creatures who feel comfortable with what they know (systems, positions, team-mates etc).

2) RM says "I have tried something that hasn't worked, now I must change how we do everything"

The latter will almost certainly never happen and the former won't happen until summer at the earliest (but almost certainly not then either).

So, given I can't see either happening over the next 10 games, I won't be raging or giving myself a thrombosis (and suggest you don't either).

I so look forward to those posters who support Martinez to come out with today's excuses. We are totally unfit and an embarrassment to one of the greatest clubs in the world.

This idiot is talking about a dynasty... Well, it will be only in the lower leagues! Come on, guys, let's hear from the usual mob with your excuses for this disgrace.

Slaven Bilic has done just that at West Ham, he’s got the players 10 feet tall and knowing what it means to play for the shirt.

Imagine where we’d be with Claudio Ranieri for instance. Instead, we’ve got the man with the book of a thousand excuses, from sticky grass to cloudy skies (okay he hasn’t used that one... yet).

Mental weakness, concentration, leadership.

Just let that sink in for a moment.

Out-thought at the back, nothing in midfield, and our only tactic was to lump it to Lukaku, Wimbledon style; what a fucking massive, world class, bellend Martinez is.

Seriously, I never wanted this fella and couldn’t understand the hype he generated. Far too much power wanking, from people who wanted a change, went on when he was appointed. Everton could have appointed Lassie as our new manager and people would have got excited simply because Moyes had gone. So disappointed fellow blues had such low expectations when we opted for El Bellend.

31% win rate this season and our lowest home points total ever. Says it all really.

1) This squad can and should do better than they have been (a new manager won’t do worse till season’s end).

2) We don’t need RM for us to win the FA Cup; just because he did it with Wigan. (What difficult sequence of FA Cup opponents did he have with Wigan, and has he had now with Everton?)

3) We give the new man time to bed in before next season’s fresh start.

OUT NOW – ASAP.

John Keating, don’t you miss those cushions? A great, non-violent way of expressing our discontent. I don’t know how many scarves I left on the Goodison pitch. Martinez won’t be with us for much longer, mate.

The only player showing desire was Coleman. Three men up top from Arsenal meant we couldn’t play from the back which seemed to basically scupper any plans. No Plan B.

Gutted.

Clearly RM has to take the bulk of the blame or criticism but: we don’t have a decent keeper on the books; Stones is great on the ball but can’t defend; Jags is a captain that doesn’t lead, McCarthy runs a lot and tackles but for a £13m midfielder has scored about 1 goal in 3 years; Lennon was discarded by team in the top 4 where we aspire to be; Baines has past his best; Cleverley discarded by the team in 7th.

Honest, I’m normally a "glass half-full" type but I’m beginning to think I’ve fallen for the hype?! Could we just be where we deserve to be in the league? Are we being carried by Lukaku’s goals?

About 4 weeks ago, I think Merson said how many Leicester players would get in our side and at the time I agreed about 3! Now I’d say 10!

Can we win the cup to save the season? Either way I think our problems are a bit more deep-rooted!

Wow – there’s spluttering paragraph of angry, pointless nothing.

I just want to know – is there anyone who would stick with him? Put your hands up.

However, with a hard and strategically coherent manager capable of coaching senior players accurately, I have little doubt that we would have been at least top 6 and probably top 4 this season.

What is really scary is the attitude of everyone. We are going there now expecting not to win! Supporters are coming out the ground and not really going crazy after embarrassments like today – they just seem resigned to the inevitable result.

Anyone saying that we should get the team going... well, sit through that shit. Regardless of the Cup, this imposter should be run off asap.

Just some of the Leicester players who would get into the Everton side quite comfortably on this season’s form. You wouldn’t mind Shinji Okazaki as a energetic substitute either, would you?

Poor positioning (can’t blame Martinez for players being oblivious to their surroundings), half-ass defense (looking at the whole team for that), poor passing and decision making.

I want to throw up.

You must realise by now you are really not up to the job of managing our wonderful football club. We really don’t deserve you; if you had any decency, you would go.

Please resign as soon as possible so we can rescue our season.

Where was the fire in the bellies to kick them whilst they’re down?! The motivation comes from the top and he that twat does not motivate! He has to go.

I’m totally fed up with feeling like shit every other weekend due to one man's incompetence. Truly pathetic. Other teams, lesser teams would’ve gotten rid by now. Why are we stuck with some clown-to-go shite? Surely everyone can see it. Fuck's sake!!!!

This means we are actually worse than the 14th position we are in because the Lukaku goals are masking how dreadful we are. Take Lukaku out of there and this great squad could be fighting to stay in the Premier League.

Is this not cause enough to let Martinez go and say it's never going to happen?

You don’t believe in booing that shower during the game? So what do we do? Politely clap? Get real! Those arseholes are a disgrace and if they don’t give a shit, then why should we? Overpaid, overhyped mercenaries.

Remember, they are just passing through... We are there for life. Fucking boo them – they should be shot! A disgrace to the jersey.

The problem is that too few of us do boo them. Most are just in a state of shock! Yes, mate, you politely clap... but do not tell me not to boo those wasters!

Sums it all up for me.

Martinez plays one type of football: pass, pass, pass, press, press, pass, pass, pass, pass, press, press, pass back, press, pass back, pass, pass, pass, press, give the ball away, opposition attack, goooooaaaaallllllll.

Has this not been familiar for the last two seasons? And yes – it is all Martinez’s fault.

The scariest thing for me is I think we will finish 3 or 4 places above the drop zone this season and we will still have the top scorer in the Premier League.

Think that last statement through carefully and what it means when he inevitably leaves for a team that will make his goals return meaningful rather than just cancelling it out with the crap system our current third-rate manager insists on playing. How soul-destroying must that statistic be for Lukaku?

Utterly disgusting incompetence.

Christopher (#97)

Surely you are right. But there were basics that we’re lacking, at this level I expect our guys to anticipate more accurately to place themselves in better positions. They’re not children, let’s hold this whole team accountable for that garbage today.

I agree with you that the players looked like a Sunday morning men’s league team today and precisely the reason for that I cannot know – only surmise.

However I have fallen right off that fence recently and am genuinely starting to worry about our future now. Less now, in fairness, since Moshiri is on board but still worrying plenty. I’m not sure how long it will be before he starts chucking is weight around but hopefully soon. We are lucky that he has a football background so he should see the problems pretty quickly and clearly, and I really do hope that he is not seeing a future with RM in charge.

I thought today might be a pretty big nail in Wenger’s coffin if we had beaten the Arse (and I thought we would), but I think actually the reverse has happened. The trapdoor might be springing under RM’s tenure now.

(I’ve said before and I’ll say it again – I hope we win it but the FA Cup is an irrelevance in all this.)

Come on now, it's not like I gave Martinez a sterling endorsement! Your point is definitely valid.

I really don’t want to travel to Wembley and watch this lot but I will as my daughter has never been.

The guy doesn’t know how to manage a game, his players are unfit and disorganised, he is out of his depth. Even if he wins us the cup and I very much doubt it, the guy has to be sacked on his Premier League record alone. He is a below average manager who once got lucky with a cup win.

He really doesn’t know his arse from his elbow. If he isn’t sacked at the end of the season, then Kenwright and Co have to be judged as just as incompetent.

I think I'll pass on that!

"I'm on the fence for Martinez, not going to blame him for today's poor performance. Our players had zero positional awareness, and as such were late to every contested ball, and lackluster in effort."

Alex, it falls to the manager to prepare and drill his side to have individual and collective positional awareness, to have them physically and mentally fit from 1st minute to last, to contest every ball and NOT be lackluster in effort.

Today was our 8th home PL defeat of the season, 3 consecutive home defeats including today. This kind of performance is not a one-off. It is now the standard.

And yet all this time Roberto Martinez waves his Men In Black lazer pen in after-match interviews to eraze our memories of what we have just witnessed, offering a complete re-interpretation of events.

Time and time again he talks up the players, telling us the team and individuals are learning and it will be jam tomorrow, only for the same mistakes by the same players with the same end result being repeated.

Unlike some, I don't believe he has 'lost the changing room.' Why would he? There is no fear factor with this manager. It doesn't matter how poorly you play or how often you cock up, you are not going to get dropped, a bollocking or extra training sessions on your day off to correct things.

Yes, the players must shoulder part of the blame. But when they are evidently playing to the 'philosophy' and instructions of the manager and that 'philosophy' is not achieving results, then ... guess what?

The person who comes under the greatest scrutiny is the author of ... 'The Philosophy.'

The only way for us all to get our word across now is to make a stand either during or after the game. The only way we could get Martinez out now is by a protest as fans have expressed their anger on websites like this for more than a year and Martinez is still right there at the club.

But the fact is that our present manager MUST GO NOW and be replaced by someone who:-

1) Will give us a BETTER chance of winning the FA cup;
2) Will get us the HIGHEST possible premier league finish;
3) Will ATTRACT quality new signings;
4) Will be able to KEEP players like Lukaku, Barkley and Stones;

The above will only happen if we remove Mr Martinez now. Not waiting for the next game or the derby game or the semi-final or the end of the season or the first 10 games of next season or another season and so on....

Roberto maybe a nice guy, but he has all the qualities of bad politician and he really is a very poor manager. The only question to me is just how we can help to achieve his departure?

The media seem to be slowly getting the message about our incompetent manager. But as we all know it’s the fans that can change things. My belief is that the protests should be scaled up and as much as I dislike our neighbours, their protest did initiate a change of thinking at the top.

To achieve the above 4 targets, he needs to go ASAP and I suggest we all try and do something, however small, to persuade those in positions to act to act NOW.

Keeping with the present attitude will only prolong the misery every matchday and make the important targets mentioned above less likely to achieve. Any ideas on how we can do this individually and collectively?

Of course the supporters are to blame. The last two season's debacles are not the manager's or the players' fault. We don't boo and they’re shite. We do boo and they’re shite.

Apparently any supporter sitting week after week watching this shit and totally frustrated is a moron for venting their anger during the game? Sorry, Alex, I do not think I am a moron. Maybe best you look closer to home...

Great coach? Yes. Great Manager??? Nooooooo!!!

McCarthy and Ross have peaked under Martinez.

They were a ’proper’ team who attacked as a unit and defended as a unit, we couldn’t get near them!

The manager’s tactics stunk! It is one thing believing in your team and another being a fool! To try and outplay Arsenal shows how naïve Martinez really is just when you to start to think the penny has dropped!

The sooner he’s gone, the better – he is not a top manager! Fact!

Not my logic but simply my reading of BK's thought process. It would be the only silverware Everton are likely to win in Bill's reign, so the manager will be well rewarded if he pulls it off. And it certainly won't be with the sack.

So I think we will all have to be patient. Possibly until at least 23rd May. Unless 'Laughing Boy' Moshiri sees it differently.

Who wouldn’t love his cretinous defence of one’s utterly lamentable efforts. His praise of shite, his wails of bad luck, his talk of better to come, his undemanding, smug, arrogant posturing.

You know what, that shower who shamed us today could probably line up and take a dump on his desk and the sad specimen would put a phenomenal spin on it.

This season: No World Cup excuse for players being tired. No European games to use as reason for players being tired. And if there were any remaining doubts about tiredness, Everton only came back from a week in Dubai two weeks ago. Stones, Lukaku and Barkley are maturer than last season. Better squad than last season by adding Deulofeu, Lennon, Cleverley, Niasse and Funes Mori: current position, 14th in the league.

If Bill was there on his own, RM would get another season; with the new owner – not a chance, even if we win the cup.

I didn’t call you a moron. I’m sure your mental faculties are all there. I never called you out personally, get some thicker skin.

I said "booing our own colors during the game is moronic". Subtle difference, mate, it’s alright though.

So then I find myself reluctantly having to cheer Everton on; it's a lose-lose situation. No way would they sack him after winning the cup, because he could do, after winning the FA cup with Wigan, who had a hugely poorer squad and playing exactly the same way.

Lukaku looked so frustrated today, the only guy in our team giving Arsenal something to worry about! There’s not a chance he will be here next season and it’s a shame because he is a big asset – under a proper manager, he could've been the man to make Everton history!

Ask yourselves why a young talent eager to establish himself as a regular would come into the team today and be absolutely awful for 45 minutes? We have all been impressed on what we have seen of Besic so far... so what happened? Surely Martinez and his lack of motivation is a reason to a degree as to why there is so much inconsistency.

Yes, we know Arsenal can play a lot of teams off the park but they have been very poor lately and I have been thinking that Wenger was maybe past his best but I was wrong.

They shrugged off a bad midweek and came out on a mission to expose Everton for what they are and that is a team with a very soft midfield defensive unit. The tackling was woeful, as was the passing, and closing down was non-existent.

Whilst some may say removing him now won’t serve any purpose, I disagree. Surely an interim manager couldn’t make things any worse for what we have left of this season.

We seem to be a constantly evolving experiment under this man. He's a "lucky packet" manager. Out of his depth.

Disgraceful. We deserve better than this.

I booed during and after the game. I also screamed every obscenity known. If you think that is moronic, then I am quite happy to be a moron. Believe me, there were quite a few of us today.

I, like thousands others, pay my money and have every right to vent my anger however I see fit. Anyone not happy with that can fuck off. Maybe you were in a section of happy clappers, I don’t know...

Meanwhile, Martinez – while being rightly castigated on here – gets away relatively easy at Goodison; maybe he thinks he is doing a good job.

Thankfully his time as Everton manager is nearly up. It would not be too soon if it ended tonight, but there will be a new man in very soon and he can’t come quick enough. Kenwright, thankfully, will have no say in the matter.

With season ticket renewals currently underway, the only way to get the powers-that-be to stand up and take notice is for large swathes of fans to simply not renew yet. Why not go one further, and each season ticket holder send an email to robert.elstone@Evertonfc.com explaining that you won’t be renewing whilst Martinez remains as manager because you are not gettig what you have paid for.

I have been watching Everton for 48 years and cannot remember us getting beat more than 8 times at home in a season, even during our relegation-threatened years. Please someone with any kind of bottle, get shut of this joker before we become a Leeds United, Nottingham Forest, or Sheffield Wednesday...

Eddie Jones came in and they are now a different team. He seems to know what he is doing.

Hopefully, the same can happen for us next season. We need to hire an experienced manager, not a promising one with potential.

Martinez will end up at a Leeds Utd next season or somewhere like that because another club will buy his spoofing and not his record. He is a man of dreams but no substance. Get rid......

I’ve really had enough of the fucking clown and am just hoping that someone can confirm he’s getting the message and will maybe be sleeping uncomfortably tonight.

MARTINEZ OUT.

The questions?

1. "Given Everton's squad, do you feel Everton would be in a better position with you at the helm?"

2. "Given Everton's squad, do you feel Everton would be in a better position with Lady Penelope at the helm?"

Look, we’re both in a bad mood. I apologize for being chippy with you, mate. We both want what’s best for this team. Cheers and COYB!

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Parker is still alive so maybe he could step up!

Martinez is the worst manager we have ever had – that is fact... Only he knows why he thinks crap like McCarthy and Cleverley are good enough for the likes of Huddersfield, let alone starting for Everton. With these talentless buffoons who are starting week on week, I actually couldn’t care less if we lose every game between now and the end of the season – it’s the norm, right???

Thinking about it, though, at last Parker always knew when the bell rang and took appropriate action. ("You rang, M’lady?")

The most worrying and damming stat was told today by one commentator.

Under Moyes we averaged 1 goal per game and 1.8 points per game over the season.

In Roberto's first season he average 1 goal per game and 2.2 points per match.

In Roberto's second season season he averaged 1.1 goal per game and 1.7 points per match.

This season, we have averaged 2 goals per game and only 1.1 points per match – that is approaching the relegation zone.

My thoughts are what about next season? If Rom leaves, we will probably be down to 0.8 goals per game and 0.5 points per game that mean we would be relegated.

Did anyone else hear that stat on BT?

And he gets paid for talking such baloney!

No doubt for Ranieri too.

No comment necessary.

I’ve two young kids so I have to record these games and watch them after they're in bed and the lass and I have watched a movie.

Pretty much par for the course is her going to bed with me fuming and swearing at the TV.

Just fuck off, Martinez.

BK the impresario is a hopeless romantic, and believes the Catalan Prince with the brown shoes will take Everton to the Champions League. Only problem is there is a typo on the last page of the script, and it should read 'Championship'.

There has to be a reason we can play more freely away from Goodison. And why results are better and more consistent. When we are good, we very good (Stoke)... but the consistency, the effort? He has done well in bringing in certain players and bringing through and developing others.

I can’t see us sacking any manager before a Wembley semi-final and definitely not before an FA Cup Final should we get there. If we don’t now show a remarkable league form turnaround, he could very well win the FA Cup, then get himself fired.

And please, please not Eddie Howe. So what, he is a blue? He is too young and too inexperienced. Managing Bournemouth is not the same as managing Everton and if Howe also sticks to his philosophy, we won't see an improvement. These players need a manager that has strong shoulders, a real leader and motivator, someone to look up to.

If Mourinho can lose a dressing room he won the league with the previous season... It makes you wonder what relationship Martinez has with the players. It's a fine line between success and failure. Those of us that witnessed Howard Kendall all know that.

Well, the last time we beat Watford at Wembley started something special... I have witnessed some of the best football I’ve seen at Goodison under Martinez and also some of the worst. Same goes for Goodison atmospheres... what a bizarre time to be an Evertonian (even more than usual).

I celebrated 57 years as a supporter on my 63rd birthday recently and have never in all those years felt as I do now about my beloved Everton. Under Martinez it’s become something like watching a once proud great beast slowly dying from death by a thousand cuts as he continues to prove his total unsuitability for the post of managing Everton FC. His inept in game management, hopeless and at times wholly illogical use (and non use) of substitutes, his inability to motivate the players and change things when games are running away from us are just some of the reasons he should go, sooner rather than later. People talk about keeping him till after the FA Cup. Why? It’s highly likely that a new manager could quickly instil son fire and brimstone and backbone into the team and make us an unbeatable proposition in the cup and remaining league games.

When we also hear, earlier in the week that he believes the results don’t matter so much as the performance, that he is building the football club as a whole, it turns my stomach. His job as manager is simply to run the playing side of the club, to send out a fit, well coached motivated team every week, and to win football matches, not rebuild the club from grass roots to boardroom. If he thinks he can build a ’dynasty’ like Wenger at Arsenal, it just shows how delusional he has become. Wenger taught him a painful lesson yesterday, but I doubt he’ll have learned from it.

He’s a sad, arrogant snake oil salesman who totally conned BK with slick talk and false promises and BK sadly bought the whole kit and caboodle. We’re definitely nearer the Championship than the Champions League and it breaks my heart to see my club in such disarray, with no one seeming to take responsibility as he’s allowed to go on with turning us into Wigan, Mark II.

Moshiri must be picking up on the fans’ discontent and a quick look at the results of the last two seasons, combined with this season’s home results, (relegation form if not for some good away results) must surely give him serious cause for concern. Martinez has been nothing short of a disaster for us and the sooner he’s gone, the better, but has anyone got the guts to fire him now? Probably not as our league season is all but over and those in authority are probably thinking he can bring the FA Cup to Goodison. But as I said earlier, new, top class manager or even a good, highly motivational caretaker manager could probably deliver the goods if he can get the players to stand up and be counted.

I’ve simply had enough of Roberto Martinez, and I think some of the players have too. I was watching the body language on the field yesterday and noticed that on a couple of occasions when Martinez stood shouting at the players from the touchline, some of them turned their heads away as if to say they didn’t want to listen to whatever he was saying.

Too much has gone wrong under his tenure that can’t be put right while he’s at the helm. Love him or hate him, at least Moyes had us recognised as perennial top eight finishers, one of the ’best of the rest’ but Martinez will be lucky if, by the end of the season we are looked upon as ’the best of the worst’.

Coleman rushing up the right ignoring GerardD instead of passing him into space so he can deliver those pin point crosses for Lukaku.

Mirallas. Not playing today because apparently he can't play for more than 20 mins without getting sent off. That's on him true but it's also on the manager and staff to put the fear of god into him and teach him some self discipline. Remember the Limpar/Kanchelskis pairing? We've got Mirallas/GerardD or Lennon but rarely do they ever play together as a unit.

Midfield. Where was it? Didn't even bother turning up. Arsenal were all over us like a rash whilst we were lashing out because everyone was having a shocker and no one could complete a pass. Ps: pass to feet or to space. Don't force someone to stretch to control a pass because you rob them of time to move forward and see someone in space.

Attack. Only Lukaku? Where's our top class second and third strikers? Kone also needs to exit when Martinez leaves.

Stones. We all admired the lad for being cool under pressure but he's starting to look a liability. Needs to have some common sense about playing safe.

Cleverly on the left? Enough said.

Baines: at one point I saw him massively out of position mid way up the Arsenal half with Arsenal on the counter attack. Very often we have two in defence because our wing backs are more wingers than back four. It's not like we haven't got decent wingers.

Barkley: head down, uninspired, easily closed down, and shut out.

Lukaku: Didn't get back to help out enough. Terrible service to him. No support up front.

Attack: we rush up the field but with no idea of how to finish the move and find the man to find the net. No coordination. All huff and puff and fizzle out to nothing.

Jags: If he had kept his eye on the ball that header would've gone in. He didn't and it didn't. Dreadful miss. Symptomatic of the whole team.

I'd rather lose in the cup than have us win it and Martinez stays for another season like this. Absolutely shameful.

The players have great potential but they need a manager they respect and obey. RM needs to be sacked now – not in a few games, and not at the end of the season, but this week.

Martinez should have been sacked last summer, everything that’s gone wrong this season was there to see after his second season in charge. I however would wait until the end of the season to sack him as you’re not going to get a top class manager in now.

I don’t think he’s left the club in a mess, we’ve got some good players and the new manager will have a good base to build on. We need to hold onto Lukaku for another season and see where we are then. In the meantime I’m hoping that Moshiri is using the time available to sound out managers like Frank de Boer.

To paraphrase Cromwell, "You have sat here far too long, so in the name of God I say go, go, go".

Which of those other than the CEO are a close friends or companions?

I just think they are unsuitable, not completely competent employees.

Sadly any potential has not been realised and the rot has now got to be removed before it gets any worse. RM should not be trusted any further and he should go as soon as... never mind the FA Cup.

I never thought I would take this stance but I cannot see a single silver lining in the clouds as far as his tenure is concerned.

Yes, Martinez should have been sacked last summer but he probably sat down with BK during the closed season and told him this was going to be our year and BK fell for his smooth talking rhetoric (again). We all know he’s continued to deliver the identical crap this season with almost the exact same excuses and vague promises of better things to come.

Let’s hope our new majority shareholder can see past the rhetoric and BK’s blind loyalty to his tame puppet (Muppet?) of a manager and takes swift and decisive steps to rid the club of it’s biggest failure and major encumbrance before we end up like Villa, demoralised, defeated and down! Mind you, that sounds pretty much like the crowd at Goodison most weekends already.

Colin (#165), I sincerely hope you’re right about a summer clearout. I only hope Martinez is not the man entrusted with any transfer kitty that Mr Moshiri might make available. If our new striker, The Invisible Man, aka Oumar Niasse, is anything to go by, we could end up with a squad full of players who ’need time ’ to assimilate to the Premier League. The guy’s been with us two months already. Just how long do Martinez’s coaching staff need to get the Russian Player of the Year fit enough to start a game?

Or could it be that Martinez bought him sight unseen, based on a few YouTube videos and has realised he’s made a terrible error in judgment? If that is the case, we all know that Martinez will never admit it. After all, we know from his hundreds of media interviews that Roberto doesn’t make mistakes, don’t we?

Okay, I know Lennon is quick and a good outlet, but surely, being 2-0 down, and chasing the game, we should have had two players on the halfway line, meaning Arsenal would need at least 3 or 4 players back defending.

Pathetic all round. Time to get rid.

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Many many adjectives have been used to describe him but I will put it simply. He is not good enough for OUR great club, never was and never will be.

Just look at our stats for the past two seasons. Freefall. Case proven.

With the investment next season surely we can now aim for a higher calibre manager. Make next season something to truly look forward to for fans and players.

Useless coaching from a useless coaching team.

(1) There is panic and fear in the management.
(2) No discipline.

I have read also about the lack of intensity in our warm-up with players (Besic and Baines) not getting involved or coming out late (McCarthy). This begs the question: Who is running the asylum?

My guess is that the man made his mind up about Martinez before buying the club. He has invested millions and won't hesitate to remove someone who is incapable of taking this team forward. He calls the shots now, not Kenwright.

After my 3 hour drive home, I watched England – admittedly nervously – win the Grand Slam. This was with the vast majority of the same team that surrendered meekly in the home World Cup. A good, knowledgeable, coach CAN make the difference to a good team.

A good knowledgeable coach now could win us the derby match and the FA Cup. Over to you, Mr Moshiri.

We have only beaten the 3 bottom clubs and a Chelsea side that was in turmoil. Yet unbelievably there are still people defending RM.

I suppose like many I have already booked my train and hotel for the semi final, how stupid having to book a hotel for a semi final. But with such a late kick off with the last train out of Euston for Liverpool at 8:30 there would be no chance to catch it if extra time is involved.

I desperately want us to win a trophy I just hope that it doesn’t mean if we do that means keeping RM for another season.

I don’t think Moshiri has the authority to sack Martinez has he? He is not in total control of the club.....yet.

I’m sure he can have a word with the chairman and the board, and let's hope that it’s sooner rather than later.

Martinez: inept, arrogant, stubborn, naive... and these are his good points...

Get rid now, give the job to Unsworth till the end of the season, we can't be relagated ,

It's not like Martinez is gonna come up with some master plan to win the cup,
I'd actually think we would have a better chance of winning it, if Martinez was gone now.

New manager in during the summer, massive clear out, new players in during the summer, New fitness coaches, and a good pre season, and we could be in a position to challenge for top 4 next season.

He's become a complete and utter embarrasment.

I’d hate to think Bill could even mess this up now we have a sympathetic billionaire on board. But this is the guy that didn't deliver the Kings Dock.

Lukaku, Stones, Barkley etc, could perhaps be persuaded to stay for another season if a new manager comes in, but under Martinez can they really look forward confidently to Champions League football in a year’s time? Over to you, Mr Moshiri.

Players like Lukaku, Deulofeu, Lennon etc... are all top players but none of them are in-your-face snarlers who will intimidate the match officials, and opponents, will they?

We are known as an easy touch, a team who will let you play your own game, who will try and play you off the pitch without putting up too much of a fight. We are creative not destructive, we want to be loved not hated. That’s Roberto’s philosophy anyway but it ain’t working and everyone knows it except him.

There's no way he'll be in charge for next season. The clamour for him to get sacked is only going to intensify, and rightly so.

I don't think that RM will be manager next season whether we win the FA Cup or not. The RS had already decided to get rid of Dalgleish before he won the FA Cup in 2006 and I have no doubt Moshiri has already made the same decision regarding Martinez. I just cannot imagine Moshiri giving a large amount of transfer cash to such a third rate manager.

You are right about the fitness side though. The players haven't been properly fit since the beginning of last season.

Will he be sacked before the end of the season, or at the end of the season? I really don't know if he will. BK's recent comments on the matter don't fill me with confidence and like it or not he is still the chairman of the club!

I really hoped that the board would of seen sense at the end of last season and parted company with him.

Martinez switched to a back three at half time but even that couldn't improve Everton's fortunes.

He explained: "When you lose the ball so quickly, you leave yourself open and we never looked like being able to cope with the movement of Arsenal. I thought an extra man in a deeper position could help us.

"But, it wasn't enough to get us into the game – you have to compete and show the intensity that we had seven days ago."

How will an extra man in a deeper position help us? I can only think of one thing, damage limitation.

It’s down to the fans now to make it unbearable for him and the board. Please don’t come back with "protesting at home will upset the players form" because they are shite anyway... 8 bloody home defeats... disgraceful. More goals conceded than Villa – need I go on?

Sack him now, the muppet.

Most of us have held on to the dream that RM will win us the FA Cup but the reality is that he got lucky with Wigan. We thought he would take us through to Europa League Final but he let us down at Kiev and never even substituted Alcaraz. At Man City in the League Cup second leg, after going one-nil up, this tactical mastermind contrived to lose us that one.

Basically I am starting to think that he aspires to be like his hero Guardiola, a fellow Catalan, tries to copy his style, ie, standing on the touchline, sharp dresser etc... but doesn’t understand that it is not all about tippy-tappy. Guadiola’s teams are fit, chase down the ball when they lose it (20 seconds rule), can defend.

I aspire like John Lennon, my hero. I am from Liverpool, can put on a Beatles suit, but unfortunately I cannot sing a note (those who have heard me in the Grapes will testify to this) and cannot write music. Maybe I am the Martinez of the music world?

We will not win the cup but I will be going down to Wembley. Martinez tactically cannot do it. The players beat Chelsea in spite of him. Before Lukaku scored he was going to bring on Deulofeu. For who, god knows, but I have ceased to try and work out what he will do next. His record clearly shows that he is incompetent.

He didn’t have a scooby how to beat Arsenal and I bet every person on this site knew that you needed to chase them down and take the game to them. His incompetence astounds me and the fact that he can only beat teams in the relegation zone shows that any half decent manager has the measure of him. No wonder Haaman and Murphy want him to stay....

"I don’t think Moshiri has the authority to sack Martinez, has he? He is not in total control of the club... yet I’m sure he can have a word with the chairman and the board."

And who’s the chairman?

Your post got me thinking. There now seems fairly universal agreement that Martinez is not the manager to take us forward.

However maybe we are not as powerless as we think. I noticed at half time the poor PA guy, having just watched 45 minutes of the most insipid pile of shite we have witnessed for many a year, having to try and promote the 2016-17 season tickets sales.

I for one am not going to renew whilst this manager remains and will be writing to the club to let them know. I suspect if enough people took the same stance, the owners would have to ask themselves some questions.

It is cheaper to replace Martinez than it is to replace Lukaku. The business sense thing to do is replace someone who can be replaced easily rather than replace someone who in our budget and lack of European football status is irreplaceable.

I was pro Martinez like many but long since realised that the occasional buccaneering awesome wins will be far outweighed by the utter clusterfucks. ... Martinez out.

Mr Moshiri is a business man. Love for the club doesn't come into it. Success on the pitch brings revenue. Mr Kenwright cannot be ruthless and having Mr Moshiri will help this. He will not wait until we are in a relegation fight to sack him. Mr Kenwright gave (me thinks) Martinez a five-year contract after we came 5th two years ago. Why he didn’t stay with the original three year contract.

The up and down nature of our performances and results tell us next season we could be further down the league. Even a Liverpool fan said to me "Martinez has to go". Says it all really!