Niasse still short of full fitness

If we're lucky, at this rate Niasse will be making his 1st team start in a League Cup fixture next season. ;)

But Martinez is shit-hot re signings according to some of his (few) fans, isn't he? The entire spine of the relegated Wigan team for instance, McGeady, Gibson. Genius!

Hmmmm......

Niasse = Kone-lite....... if we're "lucky"?

Or, because I'm trying to be nice, just what is his previously undetectable gigantic wrist injury Roberto? Or, who in the medical team has been sacked for squandering £13 million'ish by authorising the signing of such an unfit player?

Or are you, by being totally unaccountable under BK, just the luckiest man in football at the cost of the club's fans?

Really? The guy has been playing with strapping on his wrist for years judging by YouTube videos. He passes his Everton medical, signs for £13M and all of a sudden it becomes a problem.

Also, I know it's common 'football talk' but what the hell does '50 to 60% of his physical ability' actually mean?

100% - Fully fit
0% - Quadraspazzed on a life-glug

All the numbers in between are so meaningless and airy fairy.

50-60%??? Is that one week away from full fitness...or one month?

If he's not match fit by now, he's an anomaly of human physiology. If he's simply not up to par or deemed a useful cog in the gearbox for upcoming fixtures, just tell it as it is. If he's gash, send him out on loan and hope he'll show as a prospect. Just don't let him warm the bench for the remainder of the season. That could have be significant wages saved and a transfer fee put toward alternative plans.

I hope to see him show us his worth ASAP. Nothing to loose in the league. Why not 4-4-2 for a spell... partial respite for Lukaku and a bedding in. Any perhaps something to contemplate for the opposition who at this point have our tactics well and truly sussed.

This is Martinez's Everton, nothing will change, only which league we end up in.

Just what the hell is going on? £13.5million down the tubes and I don't blame Niasse.

Based on this, against a fully fit 90-minute player, he must be only around 40% fit, so why is it taking so long to get him up to Everton's low fitness standards.

The gobbledygook and rambling gets no better – is it any wonder we don't have a clue what goes on behind closed doors, only the the dross we see at home.

I go from anger to don't care as there is nothing I can do – it's like a bad dream, Groundhog Day the same nonsense spouted by Martinez with no hope of change.

I will now retire to a darkened room to await the day's game and will refrain from posting until I can say something upbeat and positive.

Do the journos go in there beforehand thinking 'Right, let's have him today' but then when he starts spouting absolute drivel do they just think 'No we can't say anything, this lad isn't well, and we can't pick on the afflicted'?

If he's only 50-60% fit then he should fit seamlessly into any Martinez team.

Niasse needs to be given some gametime this season as we will have to rely on him next season when/if Lukaku leaves and it would be stupid to throw him into the starting line up next season without him having any Premier League experience.

Is this fitness factor an exponential line towards 100%? If so, is he not fit enough at 50% to play one half – or doesn't it work like that? Just thought I would try a little RM bullshit.

My thoughts when we bought him were he was bought as a replacement for Rom because he can play the lone striker role since Martinez knew that Rom would be on his way after another season of not qualifying for Champions League.

Why Martinez is coming out with this is confusing; initially I thought there was maybe another issue à la Per Krøldrup, but the more I think about it, I think its just Martinez's Bullshit that only he seems to see/understand.

EXACTLY what I said when we bought him. He reminds me of Sissoko. All legs, very little technique, dribbles like he's chasing the ball rather than having it under control.

Martinez is so big on players having Premier League experience... where on earth did this transfer come from?

Anyway, what's the point even discussing it. None of this even matters with Martinez in charge. We are a sinking ship.

I am fascinated as to how this will run its course, and it could yet be the incident that topples Martinez and his lack of credibility. £13.5M spent on a duffer (I hope I am wrong and he turns out to be special) but somehow it all smells bad!

The whole of football is laughing up Everton's back and I can see why. Perhaps someone can explain to me how on earth these bullshitters are still anywhere near a professional team?

That does seem to be the case. Other posters on other threads have mentioned the rumours coming out of Finch Farm that the lad is a bag of shite!

Maybe Bobby Brownshoes was referring to himself having a wrist injury after some of his own physical activities.

I am inclined to agree with you on that one. He got found out in training. If we have to wait till he gets fit, and be patient, just like with Kone for an end result, then I am definitely not looking forward to it.

Wrist, or no wrist, if he was useful, he would have had at least a half-hour here, a half-hour there... Look at Cahill and Costa, running around in masks.

What is Shani Tarashaj going to offer us next season? Will we be saying Tara Shani! after a few games???

This will be done under the guise of 'short of fitness' 'adjusting to the Premier League' etc. I reckon he'll wait to see if he gets another term and try to bed him in then, failing that he'll be the next manager's problem

If a player has been at training at a club for two months but is only 60% fit, well I just think it would be better to tell the truth sometimes Roberto!

Obviously I would like the player to be at least worth the money, but it's not looking good is it.

However, I'm very sceptical of the merits of buying players from certain leagues & Russia is probably top of the list.

Why do people keep saying that Martinez is a qualified physio when there is no evidence to support his claim?

How many players go out there truly 100% fit???

It's part a football that you get on with niggles and twinges, much like everyday life in general.

How many of us has gone to work not feeling 100%??

I'm a tad worried the lad's made of the same putty that Daniel Sturridge is.

People praise Martinez in the transfer market but you can only give credit to somebody based on the obscure signings. Barry, Lukaku, Cleverley & Lennon were obvious quality that anybody with half decent football knowledge would have been aware of. McCarthy, Joel & Kone he knew from Wigan. Gerry appeared like a clever signing to us but he's a fellow Catalonian which is like a Scouse manager knowing about Ross Barkley.

It seems some of you actually want this lad to be a failure so you can give it to Martinez some more. I couldn't care less if Martinez goes tomorrow, but I do hope £13.5m hasn't been wasted. Any player deserves at run in a winning side to see what he's made of. Those of you who want to judge him after a couple of substitute appearances are not being at all fair to the lad.

Even if you intensely dislike the manager, support the team & the players. Otherwise, what's the point?

I worry when managers buy players without having seen them play. I don't remember any reports saying Martinez was in Russia on a scouting mission in the last 6 months.

Surely you don't spend £13 + million on someone you have never seen in the flesh.

Should we pay ££13 million for player that is 50 to 60 % fit?

Now, I'm with you, and I hope the money is not wasted, time will tell.

I can accept a player taking a little time to adapt, but what is all this not being fit all about?

Martinez speaks so much rubbish, a lot of us don't believe whatever he says anymore – everything is a smokescreen for his failings – well that's the way he has made me think about him anyway.

So this was the manager's chance to redeem himself and buy well in a vital position, the lad should of hit the ground running. How BK can call him a fantastic manager is laughable.

Better for him to be closer to full fitness than throw him in when he isn't ready and ruin his confidence. I have faith Martinez signings have ALL been decent value. I include the failed signings of McGeady, Alcaraz and (increasingly) Kone in that. £6m for a striker is nothing nowadays. We sold a 29 year old Naismith for £9m and used the proceeds plus another £4.5m to buy a 25 year old Russian player of the year. The main attribute I have heard put to both of them is hard work, Niasse is also meant to be v quick (In my mind I think of him as the African Jamie Vardy). How much game time was Naismith getting?

Unless you know you are buying absoloute class like an Aguero or Suarez type player.

With others you can get lucky or unlucky, for every rangy gangly performer but has a touch of class like a Kanu in his Arsenal day's, there will be a headless chicken with nothing to offer like a Bakayoko.

Niasse to me, what I've seen and the reports I've read isn't like a cool casual classy Kanu or even the ice cool Yakubu, I've heard and seen Niasse is more about running but not a particularly good touch and he looks well, a bit clumsy from what I've seen.

Time will tell, I don't expect even next season regardless of where Rom is that Niasse will be first choice.

If you have got big money to spend on a striker you have got to go out and make it priority number one that you bring in a prolific goalscorer that can offer several strings to the teams bow.

Martinez seems to have a pension for signing crocks who, for very spurious reasons, don't appear for weeks on end and then when they do, largely disappoint.

But, for all our sakes, the guy must come good as replacing Romelu will be a challenging task for anyone in the future seasons.

I for one am willing to postpone judgement on this guy until after he's been given a run in the side.

It's definitely too early to write him off as useless or a crock.

Salomon Rondon (WBA) also struggled to find his feet after he arrived from Russia but he's starting to score on a regular basis for a poor WBA team.

It's the same day after day, the effing moaning and moaning. It doesn't matter what the thread was meant to be about, it always ends up Martinez is crap, Martinez is a clown etc etc.

Give it a rest.

The problem was over paying for him. That was Terrible business in my eyes. His value is probably £8-9 million, especially with his "injury". Once you start looking at him as an £8-9m striker you won't be as disgruntled.

I'm just hoping he can play on the left but with his lack of stamina and ability to track back he's probably 3rd string. Playing second fiddle to Oviedo and Cleverley.

He won't be able to play the lone striker in this league I can guarantee you that much. If Martinez wants to opt for two upfront then he seems viable for that role. However I don't believe he can start a game alone upfront.

He has more pace than Kone but Kone's link up play, control and positioning is far superior than Niasse's. That's sad considering Kone is rated as a Championship player.

Here's to me hoping he can adapt to the league be more versatile and become a world beater.

Sometimes you don't really need skill, sometimes it's just instinct that can get you goals. I would have taken Chichorito in a heartbeat over Niasse. Roughly the same price. So I'm hoping what Niasse lacks in skill, he makes up for having some intuition for the game and makes some super sub appearances.

What you are forgetting to mention in all these rumours about the lad's lack of ability in so-called training sessions, and Rom calling him raw, is that he plays for his country Senegal and he was named Russian Player of the Year 2015!

Ffs, give the lad a chance until he has a decent run out.

If we can spend dosh on beds at Finch Farm for unfit players, then surely we can spend money on a special training program for a £13.5 million player, who is still earning his wages!!!!!

We are desperate. and desperation and patience do not go together.

Maybe it's a blessing we haven't seen too much of Niasse yet to save the lad from more Bakayoko style flack.

He looks like a footballer that is still learning how to control a football let alone acclimatise to the flipping league.

Frankly if he's leading the line next season then, I feel rather silly this season mocking the Geordies and Villa.

I was YouTubed into a false sense of security.

Same with Martinez, to think I beat the drum for his appointment, I hang my head in utter shame, I should be ashamed to show my face.

Now though, like our players, I've been totally Martinized.

As for Martinez, you and me both mate.

This guy has played 30 mins of football, let's at least give him a full game before we draw the knives.

As for the price tag, I bet you I can name more rubbished stickers costing over £13.5M than you can name under £13.5 who are good. Good being scores more than 20 a season, consistently. Starter for 10:

Carroll
Torres
Balotelli
Osvaldo

Yes, I agree; let's wait until Niasse is 100% fit (whatever that means to him) and give a call on his game then.

None of his 5- or 15-minute introductions has anything to do with the dross games so far.

Again Carroll (Twice)

How the sweet Mary and Joseph can a player get match fit sat on a bench???

Are we using a different shaped ball in the Premier League than in Russia? Maybe we have different gravity, or the air is thinner here which means Niasse can't breath at 100% yet.

Martinez used similar excuses for Kone as to why he wasn't ready. I fear we have bought another dud.

It sums the current plight, we have no back up if Rom, as I suspect, gets injured very soon. I hope I'm wrong, but we have no other outlet to score bar a few Barkley efforts, as the players have been coached to not shoot at all costs from 25 yards or 8 yards.

Troy Deaney and Co will be preparing their launch tactics on us; will we learn from West Ham at home?

We've got to protect Moshiri's Money from this wastrel. Niasse is just the start of incompetent strikers we'll be getting, when it's apparent what we need is a worldclass defenders, like the beast Caner Erkin from Fenerbahçe and a new manager. Cholo Simeone will do nicely, he'll build a team of fighters we can all proud of.

(weeps) Yeah think about the children and..fellers with over a fucking billion.

Yes I'm being sarcastic but how exactly do 'we' protect Moshiri's money?

Moshiri, in all but name, owns Everton FC and has the financial clout and/or shares (ie: power) to fuck the lot of them off.

And if he hasn't and has spent tens of millions to have no say, he deserves fleecing.